IMFAC Executive president, Paul Mulenga, said Father Mwewa’s utterances in the media showed that he had no respect for government leaders and reverends of pentecotal churchs.
Dr Mulenga told ZANIS in an interview in Chipata that Fr Mwewa attacked General Ronnie Shikapwasha in the Post newspapers yesterday without verifying, adding that the minister had put it clear that he was misquoted by the daily tabloid.
He was reacting to utterances by Fr Mwewa in yesterday’s Post newspaper that General Shikapwasha did not deserve to be government spokesperson because he was allegedly shallow.[quote]
“If Fr Mwewa verified with General Shikapwasha where he said he was misquoted by the Post, he would not have attacked him like that. What I can see is that he respects only those that are in Catholic church and if this attitude continues, there will be no unity between independent pentecostal churches and the Catholic,” Dr Mulenga said.
Dr Mulenga observed that the Catholic Church was practicing partisan politics as shown by the Treasurer General of the Ndola diocese, saying, Fr Mwewa was being used by the opposition.
He also advised Patriotic Front Leader, Michael Sata, not to refer to General Shikapwasha, who is also Minister of Information and Broadcasting, as a fake pastor.
Dr Mulenga observed that Mr Sata belonged to the Catholic Church and it was the reason he was fond of attacking reverends of Pentecostal churches.
“Mr Sata, being a political leader, must respect the clergy regardless of denominations they are coming from. IMFAC would like to call on all peace-loving Zambians to join hands in condemning the language of people like Mr Sata, Fr Mwewa and UPND leader, Hakainde Hichilema,” he said.
Dr Mulenga said the Catholic Church was not the only denomination which contributed to national development, saying his organization was also doing a lot of projects in the country but that could not make it start despising other churches.
He also said it was unchristian by Mr Hichilema to call a minister who is a reverend that he belonged to a category of pigs in the animal farm.
“If you are reacting to what General Shikapwasha said, you must have respect because such language belongs to people of the world,” Dr Mulenga said.
He said IMFAC has respect for all Catholic Bishops and it believed that Fr Mwewa was not fit to be a Christian and a priest of a church like the Catholic because the clergy in the Catholic Church were Christians who should not use wild language.
Dr Mulenga advised political leaders to handle national issues with maturity, adding that if they continued using wild language, they were not going to receive any vote from all independent church members which he said had a large following.
Fr Mwewa is reported in the Post newspapers dated August 11, 2009 to have said that General Shikapwasha did not deserve to be government spokesperson because he was shallow.
According to the Post Newspapers, General Shikapwasha is alleged to have attacked the tabloid and the Catholic Church when he commented in a ministerial statement in parliament last Friday.
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Zambians need to pray hard for leaders who will spearhead real development including food security, job creation, pride in our country because of its achievements etc. At the moment, Zambians are an embarrassment. Without war, our country looks no better than Congo or Somalia. Poverty is everywhere. Guys it is time we remembered that all we have is Zambia and this business of people wanting to be in power to amass wealth for themselves should be stopped. We can do it
The Catholic church is dangerous. In Germany they supported masacre of jews and the genocide in Rwanda.
Shikapwasha proof that u were misquoted
#2 Undertaker. Dont talk about things you dont or delberately fail to understand. We are not children who Shikapwasha and these fake pastors can scare with VINYAU. This government has failed completely. It a fact that only you who are benefiting can over look. I dont need the Catholic Church to incite me when I can see the wrongs with my own eyes.
Father Mwewa is a strait jacket Pharisee. A Priest calling God’s creation made in the creator’s own likeliness a “pig” only makes a lot of revelation about the Pharisee himself. Father Mwewa needs Jesus and immediate deliverance.
Father Mwewa is a strait jacket P-h-a-r-i-s-e-e. A Priest calling God’s creation made in the creator’s own likeliness a “pig” only makes a lot of revelation about the P-h-a-r-i-s-e-e himself. He needs deliverance.
Father Mwewa is a strait jacket Pharisee. A Priest calling God’s creation made in the creator’s own likeliness a P—I—G (Inkumba) only makes a lot of revelation about the himself as a pharisee. Father Mwewa needs Jesus and immediate deliverance.
This country of semi humans called zambia will never cease to amaze me.currently everyone has jumped on the boat of sensationalism.everyone who spits anything vitriolic as long as it is targeted against Rupiah or the MMD becomes an instant hero and what he says no matter how stinky is taken as gospel.This country come 2011 will even be more frustrated than today because leaders are not been identified to take us forward.and we are not following real issues but the same old cheap talk of judging a politician based on how crude and loud he can speak.the same old politicians are still lurking in our midst albeit in different skins.so if you half baked people called zambians will not abandon the idea of glorifying bunkrupt politicians and identify serious ones to lead you you will remain in…
So as long as we dont identify credible leaders then there will be no need for change.why cant we learn the hard lessons of 2011 when we voted for a gang of thieves at the expense of kaunda and his then poor humble servants.as much as we are looking forward to kick out the MMD in 2011 whom are we looking up to to provide the desired leadership.if it sata and his tandemof people like willie nsanda,GBM,paul moonga,jean kapata,paul moonga,chishimba kambwili and other lowlife characters then wishing this country all the best.we have obamas in zambia but the cant come out because immediately the tell us of their ambitions we take the as dreamers and opportunists.so lets hang on with the likes of sata,sondashi,rupiah,ken ngondo and other impotents.
go father mwewa go
I think the pastor is equally not having the full information as to wether Shikapwasha was or was not misquoted. Seriously speaking, the minister of Info and Broadcasting leaves much to be desired knowing that he professes to be a reverend yet he speaks carnally. Who doesnt know that Rwanda’s case was bad? we all know and for him to say zambia has all the symptoms of the Rwanda genocide makes me think twice about this man who happens to be a soldier. Soldiers are supposed to be sharp in thinking and applying logic. Statements attributed to gen shikapwasha are political and hold no sense at all. The pentecostal pastors like living in heaven while galavanting earth. come all you who are called men and women of God and defend the right cause and not just hiding in the name of Christ that we…
Daddy Mwewa….iam sure he has added to Zed population already…these guys are all PF cadres…u think the post can just call any jim and jack for comments?…they know their fellow cadres in the God forsaken ,scandle hit church.
Its not true that Gen Ronnie Shikapwasha was misquoted by the “POst”. Pastor Mulenga is entitled to his own opinion. The problem of Ronnie he realises he has bin misquoated after making making official statement. Being spokesman for GRZ does not mean answering anything to comes to his attention even rumors. He is supposed to be explaining GRZ policies and how they out to be implemented.
Fake pastors and classroom churches which have mushroomed in zambia are just businesses.
Just look at every failure in life runs to setting up a kantemba church to earn a living- not different to those “pastors” found at the bus stations and on buses.
Who can dispute that Shikapwasha is not just a fake pastor? The man lies in the morning, lies in the afternoon and lies at night. Apart from that, he supports the beating of journalists and other lawlessness by his thugs in MMD.
Only a shallow minded I.D.I.O.T. can think that Zambians can be incited by anyone when there is so much suffering, abject poverty and people are living in hopelessness.
Come 2011 and we shall see.
Tukendela pali kolona.
work with the govt of the day. Bufi and God will judge you for neglecting the poor at the hands of a ruthless govt. We all have read the nice novel called animal farm and in this book its pigs which were at the center of leadership and bishop mususu likened the mmd as a form of pig not to insult but to get analogue from the animal farm book. pigs were eating more, working less and getting the best while horses were trotting here and there to make animal farm habitable. this is what is happening in zambia you like it or not and then you say sata attacks pentecostal pastors? who is a pentecostal pastor before God? no one at all. God only esteems the person who fears him. (Isaiah 66:2 “This is the one I esteem :he who is humble and contrite in spirit,and trembles at my word. NIV).
Please Dr Mulenga go and read the Novel “Animal Farm” by George Orwell( a book about an animal kingdom) then you will understand what the pigs were doing. it is not that the Hon shikapwasha is a pig NO!! In George’s book the pigs were used to explain wrong things. those of you bloggers that have read the book, you remember how pigs explained the issue of eating apples saying its only pigs that needed them coz science had proven that they are good for brain functioning, the sleeping in bed with sheets issue and other rules that were changed to suit the ruling pigs in the kingdom. Tulafwaya uku misapota (support) but mulatumfwisha insoni ba Shikapwasha.
Am a Catholic and am not ashemed to be one our priests are well qualified to talk about national issues, but one thing I dont need the church to tell me and show me that what is happeneing in Zed is Bad everyone can see that things have gone bad for me these pastors where paid to go angainst the people that can say real issues. Shoprit workers are on stirke not long ago all hospitals where closed, students are demanding resignations from some people, the Presido is always running away from the country. If you can see that our country is going to the DOGS then you are a danger to our nation. Be realistic dont just support you shallow minded politicians. there is Parlament radio everything was recorded listen to the recording then you can just. Those of you supportin R$B and shika u get cash
LT or who ever is busy trying to edit my postings, dont yoke the people. let them speak. a pig is a pig and nothing will change after all its not me but owen powel who wrote the book.
i see you dont like the word p1g
Ba katolika….always blind to the truth….the way you worship ur ”daddys” !….but watch out for that prying eye on ur child….ur pastors are blood sucking vampires…Have a great day!
from them. These tumanthemba churches will always be around there are the same people who were being used by FTJ, now they have left him alone after getting his cash. We as catholics dont need the votes inorder to exisit as a church while our friends relay on the hand shake with the people from animal farm it’s normal, but please dont attact Bakatolika if you dont understand life. Let PEACE JOY AND LOVE REIGN.
#5 Senior Citizen- You are lost and wallowing in MMD sewerage too much to see the Comedy in your government and party. Talking about Rwanda will not stop us fighting the injustices being perpetrated by your government of comedians. Look at the Dora Saga, even a grade 4 child can see the mascrade that surrounded her re appointment. But of course the dollars have blinded you to see the filth surrounding you. May be when you are out of your comfort zone is when your eyes will open and see what all these college strikes, shoprite sit ins etc are all about.
There was a protest by CBU students last night against ZNBC’s biased reporting. it reported that ZNBC had reported that their CBU’s earlier protest was not against Dora’s reappointment. Some body shed more light on this. surprisingly ZNBC has not reported this despite students burning vehicles
these catholics fathers need to be controled as they are danger to this country.this church has ben involved in more wars than any other.the are bunch of pf thugs wth scandles all over them.child molestation to genocide andjews killings.its time th president takes a hard line against this lawless
When some pentecoastal pastor stands to speak it’s with hope that some evelope will come his way. The Catholic Church is a firm insttitution that does not need little one man centred pentecoastal something ministry to associate with. Who is Dr Mulenga anyway? The chap should keep quiet. Dont annoy us blali fool.
The international whatever are also politicians.Why die inside,just start participating.All Zambians have their own religiou denominations and if they attack politically ,they should not be responded based upon their religious back-ground.
Give Caeser what belongs to Caeser,,,,
When Shikaz and Micheal quarrel its strictly politics.Just go pray and let the spirit guide you b4 you stray.What kind of warning are you bringing you internal mania follow sheep.We can feel another Nerve Asss Mumbwa coming up slowly in You.
Paul Mulenga, please!!!!!!! Shikapwasha wasn’t misquoted by the post no, listen to parliament radio and get the facts for your self. He admitted it that he said it when they reminded him that other people listened to the Parliament radio and hear him say they very words he said about the genocide. Sir are you trying to win favor in the eyes of the politicians. Speak the truth.
What kind of an executive are you????
You fake Pastor just shut up!!! Though Iam not catholic and dont agree with them on the mode of worship , however I respect the catholics when it come to serving people. They show objectivity and are not compromised like these TUNTAMBA PASTORS OF THE LIKEs OF SHIKAPWASHA AND MULENGA. Why is fake pastor Mulenga saying Shikapwasha was misquoted—— Mulenga dont think Zambians ar too d.u.l.l as to not understand english on the paliament Radio. Mulenga, what we expect you to do is to tell your fellow fake pastor to apologise to the catholics..period.
It is not health for the church leaders to start attacking each other in the press like this. The role of the church is that of reconciliatory and advise other than taking sides. It all comes to the issue of combining church with politics. Is it right?
You as Zambians and most of all christians we shpuld have respect for the government abd our leaders.You see what people dont understand is that the way we handle our leaders should be with respect in our speech.As christians we are supposed to be neutral
#9 Akapondo you seem to have your facts and judgements mixed up. In 1991 and not 2011 we voted out KK and his UNIP for many reasons. They had mismanaged the Country, the economy was in tatars, there was actually a break down in systems in our Country. We needed some change and hence the riots and all and the final boot out. So you back and read some history during that period. Don’t just rely on the Post which reports what it what suits it, most times it reports subjectively. Its a pity things didn’t work out very well, but if we can get good leaders, I think the foundation has been set
Hypocrites!!!!!!
Let us allow these Pastors who annoit themselves a platform to express themselves then we will know their true colors in terms integrity and morality. Its is not GRZ business to be confronting churches on baseless and straight forward issues. The problem with REv Ronnie Shikapwasha is the man has given to earthly authority. I quote KK “THE ANIMAL IN MAN”. If you saw Ronnie after he lost elections in Kembe (20010 to late Lackson Mapushi then you can forgive the man. That is when he became born agian. it was matesu all over.
is mulenga a doctor theologically or what .like nevers mumba who failed to build a church ,these pastors are fake .catholic priest go to school for 5 years and yet the other pastors go to school for 6 months .is it the same God they learn about .and to today i have not seen a catholic priest designated as a doctor in theology ,of course they are there ,but i believe not as easy to become like mulenga .but in pentecostal church ,when a pastor has a program on znbc ,tomor he is a doctor .whats going on .
Point of correction 2001 General Elections, he became man of God but now given a kafulo ka Panshi, he has thrown the Bible to the wind. Let us pray for his salvation.May the Lord forgive Ronnie more than 70 x for the man does not know what he says.
Stop condemning churches. Who are you to condemn churches or other people. Who tells you that your churches are the right churches. This really, only God knows. Please stop generalising. I’m not a catholic myself, but I find Shikapwasha’s utterance very wrong for a so called christian. And you International Ministers Fellowship, you are wrong. Shikapwasha does not deserve any respect. He should first of all learn to respect others. And I can assure you, because of the way he talks, I’d never even attend his sermon. He’s just a hypocrite. So, stop being foolish.
Again, you International Ministers Fellowship, in Africa, it’s the people in power, the leaders that cause war. Please be real otherwise keep your mouths shut.
Ka Paul Mulenga nga waliba corrupt to be bought to say anything please feel for the sufferers without a voice and food.I am sure you are not a medical Doctor from university.Bu doctor mwakutola nga ba mumba njikwite.
Dear Bloggers any latest development on the condition of one or local GRZ Minister Benson Tetamashimbi (MP) Solwezi Central Constituency. Let us put him in our daily prayers for his quick recovery. I extend this to Mr. Sikota Wina former UNIP COWBOY. Our African culture demands that even your worst enemy when at lis lowest stage in life. We should show love and forgiveness for revange is for the Lord. I could imagine Princess Mirriam Nakatindi being by bed side. I pray for their quick recovery. I miss Teta’s statements on many issues no matter funny some were. PLEASE QUICK QUICK QUICK RECOVERY.
Believe me, pentecostal Pastors are evidently well known for loving good life along spiritual life. These comments do not suprise. They wanna side with govt for favours despite the fact that we all know that Shikapwasha talks ifyamasushi all the time. Nevers Mumba is a good example of them all. The catholic has stood by the people even in poverty times. Hwich church has done for Zambia anything apart from the catholics. Give a pentecostal pastor some succes and he buys bling and a personal jet. I like what the catholics stand for- no injustice to the common man.
We should look around and ask ourselves if there is any country in Africa or other parts of the world where political leaders use insults, to attack one another, are we not yet out of that stage.
24 smith.
U are so disgusting and shallow with your analysis. Have some quality man/ woman.
Mama G # 33, I agree with u. hypocrites are now turning the house of God into political fora, business places, adultery ,and a place to make themselves popular. The whole purpose of Church is losing its meaning. Too bad!!!!!!! Like someone said, they are turing the church into tunthemba……shame.
I am a catholic and i acknowledge that my church has made horrible mistakes in the past and still does make some mistakes. i also acknowledge that so far, my church is one of a very few i know of in this country that makes an effort to stand up for the rites of the pipo and also the only one that uses its vast resources to try and improve the standard of living of the ordinary being. CRS, CCJP, hospitals, Cheshire Homes. its the only church that stands up against this govt and doesnt bury its head in the sand and act like everything’s A-OK. The only church that doesnt yap about how inadequate and sh!t other churches are. no one’s perfect, its all a question of balancing your faults against good works. am sorry to say that most pentecost churches are more money inclined and this is money…
Lets hope there are no brown envelops involved
Transcripts of Shikapwasha’s speach are there to see and the Post cannot be blamed for so called misquoting him because what they wrote is in actual fact what he uttered in parliament. Iwe Shikapwanya, uzisunge, this oral diarrhea of your will soon land you in Morningside Clinic like Tetamalilo.
that is not even pumped back into the community once it is made. Please, explain to me that the only churches that spring to the defence of pipo we know have stolen from the poor zambians are the pentecosts? do they know sumthin we dont about these cases? why act blind my friends when u see that the govt of the day is sh!t and does not have the welfare of the pipo at heart? their focus is remaining in power in 2011 and not providing adequately for u or me. all churches have had scandals in one way or the other, the pentecosts favourite of misusing offerings and making choir members pregnant, but there are ways to redeem yourselves and us catholics spend every waking day doing that WITHOUT discrimination. The rites the church is fighting for are not just for the catholics but for evry being
that is not even pumped back into the community once it is made. Please, explain to me that the only churches that spring to the defence of pipo we know have sto!e from the poor zambians are the pentecosts? do they know sumthin we dont about these cases? why act blind my friends when u see that the govt of the day is sh!t and does not have the welfare of the pipo at heart? their focus is remaining in power in 2011 and not providing adequately for u or me. all churches have had scandals in one way or the other, the pentecosts favourite of misusing offerings and making choir members pregnant, but there are ways to redeem yourselves and us catholics spend every waking day doing that WITHOUT discrimination. The rites the church is fighting for are not just for the catholics but for evry being!
where is this mmd fake cadre pastor coming from?. Facts are there for everybody to see that she kapwasha was not misquoted. he has failed to sit and argue facts with Fr Mwewa all the time he has been called upon as grz chief. please fake pastors avoid attacking these brothers who speaking for the suffering majority.
The catholic church which am proud to say I belong to, has a moral right to speak about the issues affecting the nation. The church bears the blunt of the adverse effects of bad governance, poor economic policies and social injustice through its schools, universities, colleges, hospitals, clinics, hospicies and yes ophanages. I would like to think that when our bishops speak they are speaking for the voiceless people that are suffering in their various institutions.
The next time this Dr. Mulenga is in Lusaka for a crusade at Mulungush conference centre, I challenge him to visit Mother Theresa ophanage in Mutedere and see how desperate the situation can be for some people in this country!
A Catholic Prist is just like any other Zambian, he can coment on national issues. there is nothing wrong with what he said, he reacted accordingly…
Dr Mulenga i can tell from your tone that you are seeking a job in GRZ…you can join the pigs at the ANIMAL FARM….shame on you!!!
God help Zambia. Amen!
mr mulenga should just eat the money and keep quiet so that he does not confuse the public.
Muleikalafye ngatamukwete fyakulanda sure !!
kukosama ba pastor ichimutwe……………….classroom church business
43 umuntu mutwe
,you are jst defending the indefencible, hyena.pf ,the post and the genocidal catholics put togather are a bunch of thugs ,viva progressive minds.
Goodmorning bloggers
Someone once said that the Church is very good at giving answers to questions that nobody asked and this is what we keep on witnessing in Zambian politics. I’m sure they have enough filth to clean up in their own house but they would rather stick their nose in state affairs. The truth all comes to light once you investigate what really happens to the Sunday offering money.
Where is our Bible, Breviary and Rosary? you have forgotten ? Or we prefer The Post? The late Bishop Dennis did not encourage his priests… Let us prayer for our mother Zambia and for our leaders. Let us wait for that day of casting votes. Is the best.
Most pastors cannot be trusted nowadays, recently the arrested a pastor with fake dollars worthy millions, some have been caught with guns in there vestries, no uyu wine pali efyo akwete kapala.
its difficult to trust these pastors most of them are fake
be careful with catholics they are worse than nazi’s in their deluded sense of worth. They have killed over 200 million innocents(inquisitions, crusades and mass murder) and yet still proclaim to be righteous though their teachings are contrary to the bible. These small churches forget that catholics are seasonned conmen that have been in business since Clemens Romanus claimed peter a jew who was never a pope laid hands on him and made him a pope.
We have problems.
I suppose he obtained his Phd after 2 weeks theology course.
Ba Mambala they are just scared of the Catholic churc. All of you in that category should just deal with it!
slumdog, dude, we know we’ve done all those dispicable things like a million years ago when enlightenment wasnt the order of the day. we’re talking reality now. Here and Now. We are not killing anyone now, we’re trying to implement wat we here on the blog just talk about and thats ensuring that this govt does wat its supposed to do. we know we shall be answerrable for all our sins on judgement day, but that doesnt mean that we shud sit back with folded arms and wait for judgment day, does it?
Following ““If Fr Mwewa verified with General Shikapwasha where he said he was misquoted by the Post, he would not have attacked him like that. What I can see is that he respects only those that are in Catholic church and if this attitude continues, there will be no unity between independent pentecostal churches and the Catholic,” Dr Mulenga said“, this is impressive as the so-called protestant churches seem not to know why the Catholic church calls itself mother Church. Nice how the Holy Scriptures present a mother and its naughty daugthers in Revelation 17:5.
Anyhow, welcome to reality pentecostal church friends and check out why the SDA church is not categorised among protestants who protest again the catholic church.
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On “Dr Mulenga told ZANIS in an interview in Chipata that Fr Mwewa attacked General Ronnie Shikapwasha in the Post newspapers yesterday without verifying, adding that the minister had put it clear that he was misquoted by the daily tabloid“, does this pentecostal church man know that there is a Parliament Radio station of which anyone can tune into and listen to deliberations going on in the legislature house of GRZ?
Such shallow outbursts bent on accusing the POST are not good at all. I urge “birds of the same feathers, flock together” in this case Dr Mulenga and Minister Shikapwasha to check out the truth of the matter and how people respond to all media outlets before trying to cheat uninformed Zambians.
Have a blessed day all.
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#63 Dudelove Let me point out catholic hypocrisy. You are vehemently vociferous against the zambian government and yet somehow you turn a blind eye to catholic antics which you claim happened millions of years ago(correctly in the last 30 years). If you are going to pretend you are the moral authority make sure you have a clean slate which you don’t have, theres over 200 million dead souls including some of the disciples that have died thanks yo you lunatics. Catholics condemning the zambian govt is like a serial killer condemning a child killing ants. The catholic hcurch used to be powerful now you are a laughable bunch because your hidden history is in the open. BTW I am a former catholic and now a practising hebrew I left that religion of scum because it has no basis in scripture
As for “Dr Mulenga observed that Mr Sata belonged to the Catholic Church and it was the reason he was fond of attacking reverends of Pentecostal churches“, there is an old adage “if you can’t beat them, join them” which I think late UPND former leader A. Mazoka did by leaving the SDA church to seek more votes from the Catholics.
So “Dr Mulenga advised political leaders to handle national issues with maturity, adding that if they continued using wild language, they were not going to receive any vote from all independent church members which he said had a large following” sounds misplaced. Whether we like it or not Catholic numbers around the whole world override many of us and the earlier we recognised this fact, the better in forearming.
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Lastly, “According to the Post Newspapers, General Shikapwasha is alleged to have attacked the tabloid and the Catholic Church when he commented in a ministerial statement in parliament last Friday“, which church does the POST’s mmembe go to?
I would not be surprised if he is Catholic like PF leader Sata. In such a case, 2011 votes are tricky for panicking MMD especially that the UPND-PF PACT will certainly add serious numbers of votes to the single strong opposition.
Impressively, Zambia seems set for a change of GRZ in the 2011 GRZ. Thus, Mr President RB Banda must change tactics and starting using truth in terms of accurate information if he hope to win votes from the Zambians to the MMD in the 2011 votes.
Take careful care all.
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These same fake pentecostal pastors and their ‘born again’ followers were shoulder to shoulder with ka F.T.J when he declared Zambia a Christian nation. Even with overwhelming evidence of his looting of state coffers, they have continued to dine with him to the extent of offering him the pulpit to lecture on high moral values and self righteousness. One cannot help but conclude that they are beneficiaries to plundered state resources. Lesa akamikanda!
Mulanda, having said all that can you justify that the leaders we voted in where any better than kaunda and his crop.infact it would have done has better if kaunda booked out and left the presidency to enigmatic guys he had like kebby musokotwane,rabson choongo and the like.if these abandoned the failed socialist policies and pursued the new world order maybe today we would have been talking about something else.but kaunda was greed he wanted a dynasty and hence gave popularity to the croocks like chiluba who were later joined by the big traitor sata.so mulanda my facts are correct you seem to be from the same school of sensational digesters am talking about.i may not be suprised to learn that you are a sata die hard.good luck to you.
Every gvnt should be very careful with the way they handle the catholics. These people are in numbers and are capable to distabalizing the nation if they really mean business. Mind you a lot of Mafias worldwide belong to catholic church and contribute a lot in terms of funding. Balanda ati mumbwe bakulila pali epo ashintilile.
70 Akapondo greetings. Did you check out the thread on Dr Lemba Nyirenda — a dropped ZESCO Managing Director just after one month of being appointed? If you, haven’t look around for it and take note that there are Zambians with very good experience and CVs which is just about that of Dr Clive Chirwa. The story was published by LT yesterday I believe or the other day.
Enjoy and later.
Take careful care all.
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No one one should call anybody fake this or that. Would encourage our men of the pulpit from whatever faith to make peace with every citizen. Their job iz so noble and they can’t afford to “trade” words in the media.
MAESTRO,
Hi !it’s been long we haven’t exchanged words.i saw the clip about him and Zesco though i didn’t settle down to read.which i’ll settle down to read and learn about him.otherwise am greatful and will get back to you.
#72.The Only Living JAY. We call them fake because they do not abide by the teachings of Jesus Christ. The bible says ‘you shall know them by their fruit’. They wont speak against injustice; they wont speak against corruption; they wont speak against nepotism; they wont speak against thieving; they wont speak against falsehood; they wont speak for the poor, the destitute, the orphaned or the leper. How else do you want us to call them?
The undertaker seems to be taking a wrong path. I guess he/she needs HHH for street fight to bring him to his senses!
If by any misfortune I were ‘Kanitundila”, I would be very wiry of support from satanic organisations like “The International Ministers Fellowship and Affiliated Churches (IMFAC)”.
Pa pente kwena bamo mashilu! They can’t see the difference between bare buttocks of a naked man/woman? What a pastoral leadership? nonsense.
slumdog dude, i am catholic and being crapped on for sins of ‘the last 30 years’ comes with the territory so u gonna have to crap harder than that to change my point of view. as i stated earlier, be it as it may, yes, we may be killlers just like some dudes from the bible killed millions in the name of idols b4 being reformed, but we ‘killers’ are the only ones i see tryin to do sumthin about wats happenin now! just coz we got dirt on our hands u mean we are exempted from trying to right sumthin thats clearly very wrong? i respect your views and opinions but sumtimes we have to rise above a personal hatred against an institution if that hatred will blur the achivement of a common want and that want is to get rid of mmd or make them start acting responsibly. thats all i’m sayin.
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hey andre garcia, dig the name. anything from Lucia Mendez since she run off with Max?
When is shikapwasha going to morningside clinic. We are fed up with jumks like Shika, Tetmalilo, Mulongoti and VJ. This country is cursed with these mediocres are national leader. We need cleansing.
#78 dudelove I don’t buy into false selective compassion by hypocrites. If you have dirt on your hands and want to wash your hands clean thats ok . But you catholics have dirt on your hands and keeping getting some more and yet you want to point fingers at people with specks of dust on their hands. Your disagreement to the zed govt has nothing to do compasion it’s simply a notch in your agenda, if catholics were so about justice where were you when your popes ordered massacres, rape, slavery ?. Don’t confuse correction with personal hatred, I have no hatred towards any human being My fight is always against deceivers who are not in my flesh. Just because you don’t like what am saying don’t take it as hatred. BTW your church is silent on priests raping children and yet you want to…
#78 dudelove I don’t buy into false selective compassion by hypocrites. If you have dirt on your hands and want to wash your hands clean thats ok . But you catholics have dirt on your hands and keeping getting some more and yet you want to point fingers at people with specks of dust on their hands. Your disagreement to the z ed govt has nothing to do compasion it’s simply a no tch in your agenda, if catholics were so about justice where were you when your popes ordered mas sacres, ra pe, sl ave ry ?. Don’t confuse correction with personal hatred, I have no hatred towards any human being My fight is always against deceivers who are not in my flesh. Just because you don’t like what am saying don’t take it as hatred. BTW your church is silent on priests raping children and yet you want…
We have big problems.
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slumdog my friend, i give up. i know religion is a very testy topic and rarely do combatants in these arguments ever make the other see the other’s point of view. this whole situ we’re in, the govt, the churches pissing on each other, its all just totally exhausting. we may have our religous differences but am glad that politically (i hope) we stand on the same platform. peace bro.
Kwena mu Z elotwapwa. how can a minister sinks so low to make such a comment? and then who ever is saying the catholic do not respect pentecostal glergy. be reminded that even ronny shikapwasha had it not been for the catholic church would not be educated and subsqently become a week General. because there is no where you will find the pentecostal churches operating in rural areas serving the poor, you will only find them in cities asking for money in the name of offering
I think before we attack the catholics we should look at ourselves. Do we as individuals have that personal relationship with christ?
Interesting, a Kantemba pastor speaking aganist the catholics. sorry Dr, Chiluba is not here any more to give out from the slash funds so you build churches, thats why you are all in Class rooms now. Please spare us, what have you done for the OVC’s which you can boast off which the catholics can surpass ten times over. All your so called affiliates do is beg for money from inocent church members. So pliz Dr/ pastor do us a favour shut up.
Much talk about the Catholic Church and its involvement in politics. My quetsion is, what is wrong with churches’ involvement in politics? I am now seeing pentecostal churchs are now joining in, “WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD” ifyotufwile ukwikala pachalo, fighting for Justice and Peace. Shikapwasha is truely a fake pastor. If we can go back a little, Has shikapwasha come out in the open to apoligise to the people of Zambia the Death of The National team, when it it was him that ordered the use of that useless ZAF plane. How much did he eat from there. We all know this. Now what kind of a man of God is this with a filthy mouth. The blood of the National Team is on him. FAKE PASTOR! Tuzaulula. Don’t Play with the Catholic Church my man. Ask Milingo.
The Catholic Church does not involve itself in partisan politics; instead, it realizes that it does not preach to angles but human beings who have basic needs to attain a full life. She stated the word politics simply means a way of life; hence it should not scare lame people like No. 2 and 24. There’s nothing wrong with this unless partisan politics. No. 2 and 24 you are dangerous with that kind of thinking.
Saving souls/rather than being politics! The mission as a church is to follow the example of Jesus who said so clearly: “I have come so that you might have life, and have life to the fullest” (John 10:10) so the churches engage in development and governance issues so that the creatures of God can attain life to the fullest period.
THEY can lie to us ALL day long, CLAIM to be men of God, say Zambia is a Christian nation (which is crazy when you still have the DEATH PENALTY & MAJOR corruption) and so on, this happens everywhere in the world, it’s how even TERRORISTS justify the killing of thousands of people annually………but when THE DAY comes and every individual is judged, THEY will be first to BURN! Good Luck to the majority of Zambians, WE DESERVE BETTER!
The Catholic Church does not involve itself in partisan politics; instead, it realizes that it does not preach to angels but human beings who have basic needs to attain a full life. The word politics simply means a way of life; hence it should not scare lame people like No. 2 and 24. There’s nothing wrong with this unless partisan politics. No. 2 and 24 you are dangerous with that kind of thinking.
Saving souls/rather than being politics! The mission as a church is to follow the example of Jesus who said so clearly: “I have come so that you might have life, and have life to the fullest” (John 10:10) so the churches engage in development and governance issues so that the creatures of God can attain life to the fullest period.
If u don’t see me on the block, I ain’t tryna hide
watch out for pente pastors the are in bizines
The Right Reverend Hon.Lt.General Ronnie Shikapwasha’s Ministerial statement in the August House which i have downloaded and read, was “detailed, articulate and irreproachable” deserving no apologies. It is a speech beyond agenda driven gutter tabloid stiffling irrepective of style of sensational reporting in their quest for despondence.Its clear that subverts are cruizing without a conscious to fuel hatred and despondence.We stand with the Right Reverend in the face of hate Groups against his patriotism and faith in both the country and God. With him we refuse to bow before any rituals, idol or bah but the living God Leviticus 26:1, Exodus 20:4,Deuteronomy 29:17,Exodus 20:5, “Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God.
Bo Senior C, what exactly are you talking about? You sound like a high school pupil preparing his/her debate speech; using words with little logic just to confuse the audience and think that you have communicated. Say what you want to say in simple language that you yourself understand.
Bo Dr Paul something is one of the beneficiaries of the tax payers money to sing praise for the Shikas boy. Hate the Catholic Church or love it, it shall live for a long time to come. Some of you bloggers who hate the Catholic Church are what you are because of the Catholic Church. Yes, the Catholic Church is not perfect coz it is made up of humans who are not perfect. Is Dr Paul perfect? What projects is he running? Sunday collections maybe! Exorcisms,probably! Let us know bo Paul!!!!
From early tallies in Chitambo constituency, the ruling MMD is steadfastly bulldozing the Haka/Sata pact with a vanquishing winner’s margin.In almost all wards the press has visited 4 hours since the ballots closed and counting started, MMD is leading with a run away margin.The trend seems a nightmare to overturn for the PACT.A loss of Chitambo would be devastating for a PACT against one MMD.
Pastor for HIRE, that is all there is, we saw such during the third term bid. It is true Chitambo has gone to the MMD, if worst comes to the worst in this country I will be getting my salary in hard currency, in other words I do not care now if the people that are directly affected by poverty do not care!!!!! i.e. 102 above
I cannot believe that there are people with sufficient education who are still sympathetic with the Movement for Mad Dogs (MMD). But again this is a world of choice, i might be so blind with rage at how we are being taken for granted that even good things pass me by much as I consider myself low emotionally
U can not serve two master (GOD and Mulla-icuma)! mwarti a Ronnie baviziba navabu reverend manje? si bavikonda babisamilamo chabe as all pentecostal pastors do CROOKS dame U!
bakebukisha ngayakakana kuti ni ba reverend! umutntu mubi! Dr mulenga amenso tayalelola! namatwi mwalisala nolo ukushinkisha! who knows limbi by now account yenu naifina na indalama shababonfi! including ishandi esho tamwabombela! that is TAX PAYERS MONEY! poor peoples money! shame on you, u don’t even say amen when prayin’!
Nanga Fr Bwalya ali kuti? Nauyu wamene Fr Mwewa azaenda!!!! these Catholics *****S Baya sana! They think they own this country!
No:25 don’t be stupid, you must respect the anointed one. What kind of a Christian are you?
All so called preachers are in it for the money……they have failed to lie to the people so they want to sow disconent in the population…they are going to hell in a basket F them all!!!!!!!i don’t want a man whose hands are in little boys’ pants and preachers with other men’s wives and men they should be chased to end of the city and banished for ever………
Come 2011, I don’t see the oposition going to plot 1, because you just talk irrelevants instead of real issues. You discuss people while time is passing, but your friend is working, GO GO GO RB GO don’t answer them lest they disrupt you. They are useless, they think every comment is money if you support peace, there is impartinting of wisdom and knowledge guys, you should think wisely. If you do not want to support the programmes of the gvnt RB can’t do it alone and if there is a problem don’t complain because in first place it is you who is delaying development, ala. Nevertheless RB has a big team supporting him because they have seen nothing wrong with him. He is just a person who has just become a victim of circumstances and is being blamed for every wrong. Anyway he has accepted 2…
RB has accepted to work with people and we the people of God will support him for the betterment of this country.
No: 100, Senior Citizen. Amen and Amen brother. Reverend Ronnie go on and on God is with you. Bless you.
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