There was near confusion today when United Party for National Development president Hakainde Hichilema was nearly stopped from donating mealie meal to the flood victims at the camp near the independence stadium.
Zambia Red Cross officials based at the camp told Mr. Hichilema that he was supposed to follow procedure when making his donation.
The official said that they were under strict directives not to allow people to donate items to the flood victims.
Sources,however, told QFM that the directives were coming from the Disaster Management and Mitigation Unit (DMMU) under the office of the vice president.
Mr. Hichilema expressed disappointment that government was trying to turn the camp into a military base.
He told journalists that it is a pity that government has been calling on the stakeholders to assist victims at the camp when on the other hand they are politicizing it.
Mr Hichilema maintained that he would not deliver the items to the DMMU but to the people at the camp site.
Zambia Red Cross Society secretary general Charles Mushitu who rushed to the camp later apologized for the confusion that occurred.
QFM
Wouldn’t be suprised if he is arrested for inciting violence, conducting likely to cause breach of peace or one of those other political offences.
Way to go HH. Those who have need to share with those who don’t God bless you!
Where was Lameck?
MMDs way of soliticing for votes fluters me
That is s.i.l.l.y how are we going to help the poor i will not donate to that government why do people behave like that in zambia i’m a member of red cross here in England we don’t work like that chap should be fired let him go and work for MMD
shame on u fi MMD…
MMD they are afraid that some one will buy the votes from the flood victims thru a bag of Ubunga, whats wrong with these Bulu dogs kanshi. let people get the help they need. if anything you are just making HH more popular by blocking him from donating, or maybe you are waiting for the Big Man to come and officiate Donation. Nga twalanda ati RED CARD you start saying ati insults …………….:-w:-w:-w:-w:-w
People be realistic especially those outside the country its only standard procedure that you make donations through a sort of registered institution… Even when you decide to sponsor a child in a third world country do you take the money straight to the Child??? NO you will find maybe an NGO that will handle that for that child…
He could still donate the things through disaster management then help distribute thats what i have seen other leaders do ie clinton when his institution makes a donation it goes through the UN then you see pictures of him Helping offloard etc.
Sorry but HH reaction to me tells me he went there as a politician and not as a person who wants to help… When you help is it really nessecary that you are seen??? NO
iwe creative..be real..why shud sum1 donate to govt and then they steal..they never even give the intended pipo..HH way to go my man…
HH is trying to get cheap political mileage, his right anyway. There is need for cordination and procedure when donating. If he can’t recognise gov’t offices whilst he is aspiring to head gov’t, how does expect would be opposition parties to behave during ‘is time’?
Thats the way to go HH.You went there to help and not politic.MMD is scared silly of thier own shadows.Viva Change!
if it had been RB doing the same, then the noise on this blog would have been deafening.
MMD means Men who are Mad Dogs
I think HH was just right. The only thing if there was a change HH alternative could be to give red Cross and its red cross he saw who would have accepted whole heartedly. By if you say he gives disaster management it was going to be good bye to those bags of mealie meal. They wouldn’t have gone to the intended people.
That’s a good gesture by HH thinking about the people.
#7 Creative
Man please you should be realistic with the way you defend some issues,there’s no law,policy or procedure when making donations thats why a MR Mushitu went to apologize to Hichilema,ofcourse you cant donate directly to a child for obvious reasons
Zambia Red Cross Society secretary general Charles Mushitu who rushed to the camp later apologized for the confusion that occurred.If it was one of the dogs who donated,there wasnt even going to be any confusion
Let us be serious. Those people affected by floods do not need food donations.All they need is shelter so the tents are enough.The fact that their houses are in water does not mean that their jobs are also in water.Their manner of earnings is still intact.
Floods…some of these people are suffering because of their unthinking.They deliberately constructed houses in water when they saw clearly that the lands they were building on was water logged.
I don’t see anything wrong with a zambian citizen donating to fellow zambians.Those people are our brothers and sisters and don’t see any reason why we have to get permission from someone before we help them.Well done Mr President.
@Creative #7 the Zambian Govt has received so much money from donors for the poor and they spend it on themselves and on RB’s travels. I am a community worker and I know that these days even aid agencies prefer aid to go directly to the beneficiaries for fear that the real needy people will not benefit. I am involved in community development and Poverty alleviation programmes. Read the signs of the time and watch the trends.
Donors have donated money meant for the poor but it ends up in wrong hands. HH did well to make sure the mealie meal went to the need.
HH you have embarrassed a sitting President in RB even his right hand man who claims to be a born again christian Chiluba & his religious rhetoric by donating to the needy during this difficult time in Zambia. The reason they tried to block is because RB & Chiluba who claims to have the interests of Zambia with all the monies he store has failed to do what HH has done. What a shame on MMD as a party & for that matter the ruling party.
The fact is HH belongs to UPND (PACT) so how do you expect him to make a donation thru DMU (MMD)
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Its the people who are hungry not the Govt, so why donate to the Govt?Pliz give donations to the beneficiaries directly before its distributed to MMD cadres!
RB is just embarassed at his selfishness,cant he donate just a single bag from the Millions coming from travel allowances.
Why donate to govt when i know the mealie meal will find itself in the market being sold?
YES he has the right to want to donate directly to the people,does hunger follow procedure?
That’s the way to go, there is nothing wrong to donate direct to the people as our gov is not trusted. Can somebody tell me does it mean even the red cross now are answerable to the MMD?
HH was in my view poliicking but that is not an offence but actually his right. Though again creative has a point, they are normalyy procedures of donating. Even if we got up and went to orphanages anyway in the world, there is a system of receving donations. You dont just walk in and start spreding the donations around. These procedures maybe arise to cover issues of possible poisoning, equitable distribution , theft/ pilferage etc
Someone did not thnk of these flood victims becoz he was busy doing his last Practical lessons as a Pilot trainee reachin as far as China.Seriously let the opposition who cares make the Donations.
The govt can not be trusted wit anything right now becoz of the history witgh donated funds/materials which are abused by Politician and Civil Servants.
that chap should leave red cross. the organisation was founded on the principle non partisan assistance to people in distress.
#9 you are a misplaced citizen. If RB doesn’t get our permission to go to fly everywhere,why should HH get permission to help dying people. People without homes nor food. Lets be sincere in doing things. If HH donated to Disaster Management and Mitigation Unit,RB and Kunda should have used the food to gain political milage on the suffering people. Let people with agenda for the country go ahead and help the poor.
:(( Way to go HH. Imagine the RB team went and just offered lip service to the people, not even a verbal donation. lekeni abntu ba fwane imwe apapene mulemonapo idilu ba MMD. be careful.
kuya bebele
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that chap should leave red cross. the organisation was founded on the principle of non partisan assistance to people in distress.
CHANGE YOUR BLOG NAME TO REDCARD IN SUPPORT OF THE RED CARD CAMPAIGN
When sugar & meal-meal was donated at some place in eastern province,nobody complained about it.So why cry over some noble donation from a noble human being.Politics aside HH did what the great traveller has failed to do. If this was channeled through DMMU then some fool would have claimed that it’s their donation
And to think there are people out there who still think MMD are doing the right thing!!
Why shouldnt HH give food directly to pipo who need it.
If i am hungry and someone notices that i need food, wouldnt it be foolish for them to go and give food to my father first to come and give me?
Indeed the MMD thugs have run outta ideas!
H.H what are you trying to do?
cheap politics just keep your little money u have….
at the end of the day you will remain like ba ben mwila
The Movement for Mad Dogs (MMD) is suffering from rabies. It needs to be put down next year otherwise chiwewe will spread to the whole country.
Ah, thank you guys for suggesting the deed poll. I have also changed my name.
This goes to confirm how president and 2011 presidential candidate HH has been moved by the plight of Zambians from all walks of life.
I hope Mr PF/Sata MC including other political party leaders will also donate something to uplift the lives of our friends who have been affected by many calamities in our country.
Have a blessed day all.
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Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.
Ba LT tell us how many bags of “ubunga” did this Bloke donate to the needy. Well done HH.
Why should people donate to GRZ in the first place ??? already we have seen how they have been mismanaging our PAYE funds, so what guarantee do we have the donations will be chanelled to the intended people??????
The Nation has set up a disaster management unit. The money that is used to assist those affected by draught, floods and other unforseen circumstances comes from the tax payers money. The civil servants and companies that pay tax to the GOVT. This is not the first time people have been assisted. HH has donated we are told. The only issue here is logistics. HH like any other politician in Zambia and else where has an invested interest “Votes”. He should donate but should follow laid down procedures. If he does not have faith in the disaster management unit then we don’t know which structure he is going to have faith in.- American?, British etc.? It is not the first time disaster and hunger have struck in Zambia, HH has been there for a while.
I see nothing wrong donating ubunga HH is 100% right .Now can I ask a question ,if you find a person almost dying with hunger and that person need food the same day to survive do you have to waite for G Kunda to give a go aheard ?
No. 27, Procedure as an aspiring Presidential candidate is all HH needs and very vital. Institutions are there for donations he can carry the press to DMMU or Red Cross if he feels such donations would not reach the intended targets. Donations with political conotations regardless of who does it, is not well intended be it MMD – RB or GK. Its just cheap politcal mileage. HH can do better.
Mr Meastro whatever, stop cheap politicking, HH went to the stadium to gain political mileage, if he truly cared for the people that , why didn’t she share his donations with people that his liquidation package throw on the streets without jobs and with families to look after. When did he become an angel. Please spare us the nonsense. THis man went to campaign at the stadium and looks like he has managed to even fool you. Zambians are not that S T U P I D my friend. If he really cared why didn’t he give anonymously, and I see you quote scripture and I believe you are Christian, what does your bible tell you on the rules of engagement when it comes to giving? I bet your HH indeed got his reward. Hypocrites!!
I hate pipo who just wake up and say am donating this and that. We need to follow procedure laid down to avoid misuse of resources. For example, if we do not put our resources together how are we going to know the cost involved. This is typical of the way we have been running government. HH must have gone through the system for his donation to be accounted to the sum total. Let us not use our minial popularity for senseless behaviour. This is setting a bad prescendence.
Never seen a foolish chap like MMD Chief Boolicker. I am sure ubupuba bwakwe umu guys bulakalipa nokukalipa.
True HH was just politicking. Are these the most needy people? Definetely not! But the Press is mostly covering events in Lusaka.HH knew he will get coverage doing that. HH says he is also paying for the production of red cards.How about donate that money wasted on producing red cards to orphanages? True giving is not done with trumpeting. Those who giving in such a manner are hypocrites according to the Scriptures.
HH went to see the same people in compounds before they were moved to indepencdence area and Gov’t was nowhere near. Today he tries to do the same thing he is good at doing – visiting the needy and some “rats start ranting” political rhetoric. There are no elections in this area today making it the right time for politicians to contribute to poverty reduction unlike what Rhupiah and his minions do – distributing sugar during elections and particularly in areas where there are elections.
MMD cadres should stop the hypocricy on this blog.
To HH we say kudus!!! Please continue extending love to our people in need.
Bravo HH. Bootliker just shut up.
iliko bad pa zed and there is nothing wrong for donating ubungu to those people….which procedure are they talking about?Lets us zambian help those in needy and we will make our country a better place to live in…
Thats MMD for you!!
The problem with ka HH want to exagerrate the donation. its better to even donate it through the Red Cross so that we know the quantities. it is important to take inventory of what is being donated otherwise we shall hear that 100million tonnes of Maize Meal and 50million kilogrammes of beaf donated by HH has gone missing. HH mind you guys is populist politician with no clue of shame. now he has seen an opportunity for him to start stage managing donations. there is procedure you guys, U dont just walk into camp and start dishing out goodies. what happens when the intended receipients start rioting or cramering for a share of the 50million kilogrammes of beef. HH has no capacity to control the the hungry crowds. anyway since he is Prince Cobra UPND is no longer different from PF BAKAPONYA
I’m a member of international red cross you do not need to go through government to make a donation to the red cross it has nothing to do with governments that’s why even were there are wars red cross members or stuff moves around freely without fear of being attacked, if you have read the director rushed there to say sorry to HH after the misunderstanding or luck of knowledge by his stuff who were on the ground.Red cross accepts donations from any one it may be money, clothes, food etc.If you want more information just go the red cross site not all the nonesence i have read here about laws and rules.
I just hope more people will come to the aid of the people affected by floods instead of politicking. So what if HH ends up getting political mileage out of this. If the MMD is concerned about that, why not simply go there and outdo HH. In the end, the ordinary Zambians will benefit. If RB had cut on his trips abroad, the money saved could have done a lot to provide for the needs of the people at Independence Stadium. HH would not have needed to even make a donation, because the government would have been doing its duty. But as it were, the government is failing in its duties, and when that happens, somebody else must step in.
So I suggest that whoever is not happy with HH should simply move in and outdo him. If HH donated two bags, go in and donate four (and account for it by the way).
ZAMBIA O ZAMBIA
HH cheap politicking.He is behaving like is never being to school.He Knows how He can register his gesture to N Gos like World Vision,Recross,WHO and so on.They would still have delivered to the people he wished to donate.Its a SHAME TO HAVE YOUNG POLITICIAN WHO ARE NOT SMART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
the flood victims are not at the verge of starvaation or are they dying of hunger for HH to rush a donation. why are u in hurry to to do evthing kanshi? evthing is hurry hurry hurry. plot one hurry, UPND precedency hurry, liquidation of companies hurry, castigating Sata hurry, rejoining Sata hurry, chasing away non Tongas like Sakwiba from party hurry. why why wekamunthu iwe nensoni iyo. Twakaka basa. learn to be patient. first start with election of section , then branch, then ward , then contituency before bothering us with issues of presidency. learn from Mazoka and Obama or even the SATAn has some kind of experience. not just bluuuuuuuuuu I want to be president. kanshi waba shani wekamunthu iwe. twapapata lekeni amapolitcs mwali ipuntula kale at that age you have already tumbled twice
Knowing MMD, they might decide to legislate this process. Dont be surprised to heal a clause in the (NNC) new constitution on donations……… Yaba……!!!
# 33 u r a sick puppy
That Red cross chap should be fired. He is partisan . Red cross must be neutral
Hats off to HH, if our own govt. has failed to rise to the occasion, I see absolutely nothing wrong in what HH has done. Continue with your good works HH!!!! =d>
The president has donated.
Way to go HH, Don’t just talk the talk -walk the walk :d
What is all the hullaballoo on this blog about? Problem with HH is not wanting to be seen donating through somebody. It lowers his status as president, so conceited he is! If he did not want to be seen interacting with the VP, he could have donated to Red Cross by following channels. If he does not follow procedures what type of govt is going to give Zambia IF he becomes president? I m sure he’s disappointed that there was no MMD at site. The apology by Red Cross Secretary General is meant, not to demean the junior RC official at the site, but to calm down an unpleasant situation created by Hichilema. Hats off to ZRCS Charles Mushitu for maturity and saving us further emabrrassment. Totally unnecessary, and look at the time bloggers have wasted on LT!
Whether it is earthquake in Haiti or Chile, Tsunami in Singapore or Thailand, volcano eruption in Iceland, or here at home floods in Kuku/Misisi, there are procedures set up for assisting the afflicted and for very good reasons that I do not claim to know. Is it Hichilema who set up those camps? Where was he when Govt and concerned parties like Red Cross were doing so? If you wish to donate for political mileage by insisting to be seen or to shake hands with the victims (as potential voters) please Hichilema keep your donations, we are managing. Or better still set up your own relief camp, F.O.O.L..
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# 62, you are a bureaucrat. Its pipo like you that slow down progress in the country. HH was seen working on the ground when there was floods, he is a practical man just like Sata. Leaders should not just be in the AIR, they should be on the ground also
#7 and #50 I agree with you. These fools who want to preach hatred all the time suprise me, if you and your fathers are failures spare us your hatred. This hatred u are planting among Zambians is not good at all, it simply shows foolish desperation by a failure in life. How can it be possible the whatever HH does and say is correct and that anything Bad is MMD. There is no mention of MMD in the story but the Red cross official so why bring in MMD? Its HH who bringing politics instead of just helping the poor from the stolen money he fails to explain when he is challenged. Up to noe he has not answered the Question FTJ answered. He has serious problems as can clearly be seen Sata in on his own and HH is clearly “walking alone” as opposed to the pact
In everything we do, there are procedures. Due to the information above in the story, I can form an opinion that Mr. Hichilema went there politicking. He has headed many companies and therefore knows the importance of procedures. There is no excuse of not following procedures. Mr. Hichilema knows this which begs the question, why did he refuse to follow procedure? I think it is so he can appear in the media and gain some political mileage.
# 66 just debate without insulting parents. Where on the blog does it include parents? Do you see how hypocritical you are? You are so pathetic.
What about a song called red card ala n’ be. :-\”
Well done HH. Man of the People. leave red lips and RB roaming the countries. When they come back, zambinas will have voted for their govmt next year
Why didn`t he just turn round and throw the stuff in the river? I would do it!:d
I would rather have a bad politician who helps people than have a good politician who does nothing for the people.
HH way to go and I hope others will start to act….too much :-@:-@ lets have some action huh!
When did donating to your fellow Zambians become complicated? Some bloggers objectivity in the basic principles of life in a community is messed up. No one cares whether HH is green or blue …he is doing what each responsible Zambian person should be doing. If MMD officials want… they can do the same thing .It is wrong and unethical to stop and criticize someone for giving. If you are selfish and don’t get affected by the floods… that is your own problem. Do not deny those innocent flood victims their rights. Do not listen to the bloggers who are trying to complicate the process of helping people in need.
:d Thank God for Zambians like the red cross secretary general. They think with their brains and not political dicks. We have citizens suffering and you want the maize to go to the VP’s office who will only donate the meal when he starts campaigning for the Milanzi elections
#51:”Red cross accepts donations from any one it may be money, clothes, food etc.If you want more information just go the red cross site not all the nonesence i have read here about laws and rules.” Please tell us that in the UK you just go and distribute things without any order. If HH had given you “the Red Cross” would you not have accepted to distribute to the need? let us reason to discuss issues and not to rush to British words “Nosense”.
Loyal Ministers and Members of Dog (MMD) family caught sleeping while the master is in the air. What can one expect, just barking to gain time for the master
If some MMD bloggers believe they need a procedure to give in their own country …it explains alot about their hearts for people suffering. If your child had a cut would you ask for a procedure to put a bandage on it. Every human being should feel free to make a contribution to Red Cross in Zambia.
#73 The areas affected by floods have been mostly unplanned areas in Lusaka. Unlike the US where most areas have been panned with proper drainage in most Townships in Lusaka there was no such thing as planning, hence the problem of floods. What we are saying is let us begin to do things right including what appears atleast on the surface to be angelic acts. there is no complicating anything.
Desparations in the government because of the headless chicken at helm of the Dogs, they can not get such reasoning stated by # 77. Its like first aid while still organizing a formidable government
i dont know why Zambians like to compare our selves or situations with other countries. Procedures in other countries work in Zambia they dont. You give mealie meal to MMD, you will find it being distributed in Milanzi. Or even just being kept waiting for the president to make a speech and a spectacle as he donates. The thing is the president is never there he is in the air all the time
Ba MMD Chief Bootlicker & Mr Capitalist mwaoneka becoz your RB hasn’t donated? What stopped RB from politicking when that’s all he has been doing at tax payers expense. Your explanation is feeble, silly & flimsy really. You RB hasn’t shown any seriousness for these floods now that an opposition leader has gone to contribute something it is politicking? Ndiye ushushushu uyo wamene tikana. I hope you’re in SA out of merit not on an MMD ticket coz your time will be up soon. Kuya bebele whether you like it or not. Just start packing ngati muli ku Zambia House off Hamilton Street ku Arcadia ku Pretoria. Ngati ni Capitalist mayo ni illegal immigrate where ever he is hence the frustration in his blogs yaba.
# 80 I coundn’t agree with you more. MMD supporters have been embarrassed & can’t admit it period. Their borrowed leader a UNIP old retired farmer who is bonking his grand daughter has failed them really hence you here them saying nothing but hogwash. You no the difference between integrity which most MMD leaders don’t have & those heartless ministers like Kaingu & Shikapwasha who even say that a dog has to be loyal to it masters is that they can’t think beyond their pockets. I have a male boerbol which is loyal but if I abuse my trust to it, it does not shy away from reminding me that it can actually acttack me. So I don’t know what dog Kaingu is to his master RB? I rest my case.
Red cross, Red Card , it is really confusing the MMD they dont know what to do. Naikosa. The seat has become Red hot for RB.
#75 Please provide the URL where Zambians can make a donation to the Zambian Red Cross. Come on bloggers let us make a difference and contribute. A house is built brick by brick. We can make a difference in the flood victim’s lives. Giving is not a procedure it is a decision.
VIVA RED CARD VIVA. WE NEED TO CREATE THE EUPHORIA THAT CHARACTERISED THE RUN UP TO ELECTIONS THAT SWEPT IT MMD INTO POWER. WE NEED TO SHOW MMD THAT THEIR PARTY IS NOT INVICIBLE. WE SHOULD START DONATING MONEY TOWARDS AN OPPOSITION MOVEMENT THAT HAS THE HEARTS FOR ZAMBIA’S DEVELOPMENT & WILL RESTORE THE DIGINITY OF OUR MOTHERS, DUAGHTERS, AUNTS, GRANDMAS WHO HAVE TO ENDURE HARSHIPS TO KEEP THE FAMILY GOING UNDER $1 PER DAY. THIS IS SOMETHING MMD CHIEF BOOTLICKER & HIS CAHOOTS SAY IS DEVELOPMENT THAT RB HAS SHOWN US. THE MAN HAS NO HEART WHATSOEVER. LETS DECAMPAIGN EVEN OUR NEW FOUND THEOLOGIST DR KAFUPI CHILUBA WITH HIS RHETORIC.
Yes lets donate to the victims to embarrass all the shushushu’s who have been asked to monitor comment on this site. we should even donate to a political party that sells its agenda on development for Zambia. am willing to donate provided details are there & the process is transparent.
@ #77 Windfall tax vs high copper prices
Procedure for using a band-aid (bandage).
1. Clean the affected area with soap and water or an antiseptic wash.
2. Dry the injury completely. Pat with a paper towel or cloth or allow to air-dry.
3. Apply antibiotic ointment.
4. Select a Band Aid that is the right size to cover the injury.
5. Peel the plastic tab that covers the adhesive off one end of the Band Aid. Apply the tape to the edge of the wounded area so that the gauze portion will cover the entire surface of the injury.
6. Peel the plastic tab off of the other flap of the Band Aid. Apply that side of tape to the opposite side of the wound.
Even band-aids have procedures. There is no excuse for Mr. Hichilema refusing to follow procedure.
Stop being petty Mr Capitalist. Your RB has brought shame & the sooner you realise he is not MMD the better for you even as a sypathiser. All leaders put home issues first. RB was in China at the peak of this with a mere visit to some areas. HH goes to make a donation you want to claim procedure F procedure then.
:d Yes we can. We can change our country, the power is in that red card and the ballot and Zambia shall be saved. What country deprives of the poor , homeless of free mealie meal just because it is coming from an opposition party. Where is one Zambia one nation. It has been changed to One Rupiah Banda one air flight
HH was not donating out of concern. He was doing for political reasons that is why he wanted to be seen. Let us criticise where things are wrong. If he comes to power we will see how he will handle the same situation done by the opposition. This is childish nonsense coming from a potential future President. He should not take advantage of the poor and suffering by making political capital of what help he gives them. He will be made to account by somebody higher in another life!! Having said that I would be expected if HH did not do something stupid. He has absolutely no quality, no standards at all, he is a kid…!!
Oh yes we can bana Red Campaign has power. Am posting links for facebook, digg, twitter, Linked-in Zambian lets follow & contribute to the just cause of Zambia. Aluta continua for Red Card Camapign.
Good Evening
We can go on debating about whether or not the donation is a tactical move and why certain procedures were not followed but what good will it bring to the flood victims at the end of the day?
Regardless of the cognitive processes involved, it looks like the Red Cross officials at the camp were obviously intent on ignoring the donation, despite noting the donor’s wish. This explains all the trouble with bureaucracy all over the world.
#92 why should there be bureaucracy when an opposition leader has taken an initiative & good will to donate to people in need. Who stopped RB or anyone for that matter from donating? Does this show some arrogance that the MMD ruling class for the people who voted them into power? They have ignored the Lusaka floods becoz MMD does not control most of wards in the province is that politics. You can’t separate HH from politics no matter how much he appears to do things in his personal capacity & the same appeals to RB right now. So if this gesture is being condemned on political lines then MMD as a political organisation does not have our interests as Zambians regardless of our political affiliation, opinions & association.
# 92 welcome. Please add Red card to your name. Remember the Kafwafwa you almost caused last time. Everyone expects a well balanced thinking man to be for the red card campaign
# 87 Captialist you have clearly confused giving with politics. Have you forgotten when someone contributes to Red cross…procedure does not come into the equation. They know how to sort things out all they need are the donations. It doesn”t matter where the source is from… they just need help and donation to implement their jobs. In this scenario, Green donates the bandage and Red cross cleans the wound.
Its all about political mileage like it or not. I bet there are private citizens who have made donations without the press being around. UPND supporters, what is UPND beyond HH? Same as PF, what is PF beyond Sata? MMD is not about RB, GK, FTJ, at least they aren’t bigger than the Party.
Well, well, well, I see the usual suspects given mandate to monitor comments in Mr Capitalist, Mr MMD Chief Bootlicker are back & am not surprised. There is nothing untoward about this donation. MMD has been shamed & most importantly exposed. Politics aside, HH is a human being & he has just shown that there is nothing stopping RB, Chiluba, KK, Maureen Mwanawasa, Grey Zulu, Sata or anyone for that matter to donate towards this cause. Lets stop being petty & tackle serious issues with the seriousness they deserve. I should commend HH for taking such an initiative. For me well done.
#94 Many thanks for the welcome and the offer but I think the red colour is visible enough in my gravatar and my flag 😉
# 96 please read comments by # 93. You cant seperate HH from politics. You can walk naked in the streets and no one will raise an eye brow but if HH walked naked The world will make mention. So expect the press wherever HH goes. By the way what is Mazoka Legacy beyond LT ?
@ #95 Windfall tax vs high copper prices
“There was near confusion today when United Party for National Development president Hakainde Hichilema was nearly stopped from donating mealie meal to the flood victims at the camp near the independence stadium.”
Read that part. He was donating directly at the flood victims not the red cross. This would have caused problems. What if a riot had started because there wasn’t enough mealie meal to go around? Would Mr. Hichilema have managed to control an angry mob? This is why there are calls for procedures. The red cross and many organizations know how to handle donations and how to distribute them. Mr. Hichilema should have donated to the Red Cross so they distribute or some other organization. What he did is pure politicking.
#96 Stop hero worshipping Chiluba? What has he done for the good of the people not for you & your family? He is not a role model in any form. His marriage failed, he messed up his political image with 3rd term then the corruption cloud. Maybe you’re where you are because of MMD or to be specific Chiluba. Am where I am in in my life purely on merit & working smart & to be honest am not bothered who is in power in Zambia at the moment or any other time. The principle am standing for is for the good of Zambia & her people. Unlike you, I go to Zambia to contribute hence we are concerned about the substandard political discourse & debate in our country include an attempt to block a donation when people need it. Tell us how you can separate HH, Sata & RB from politics at the moment?
From the article,its clear HH went to seek attention and mileage and NOT what is being purported.Even HH himself know his true intentions of why he went there and by-passing the Red Cross and do the donation directly to the afflicted people.What a sad way of taking advantage of the victims.
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#100 Well, at least his action has given free publicity for the flood victim’s needs in the camp. What you have highlighted is that there is need for more people to contribute. Our Zambian people should not be rioting over lack of food. Capitalist , I still feel you are politically motivated in the issue and not being objective. This is not about HH it is about people needing all the help they can get. What HH did is not a crime and more people should be helping the flood victims.
naya mukulala ine bane. mailo again same time same place
#102 Actions speak louder than words. I don’t think you have the right to criticize people donating. If they are doing it for the limelight it does not matter…the most imortant thing is that he is giving. Giving is allowed worldwide.
HH thats not a farm learn to follow procedures,your campaign strategies are so cheap, only a cow can support your actions.
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There is nothing wrong in giving but the worst an aspiring candidate can do is to try get mileage over natural disasters to the point of even ignoring the Red Cross officials.Where is the respect for the officials working there?What has happened to the etiquette he exercised in the corporate world?
Zambia Red Cross Society secretary general Charles Mushitu who rushed to the camp later apologized for the confusion that occurred
SIMPLES!!!!!!!!!!!!SIMPLES!!!!!!!!!SIMPLES
anyone else who still thinks there’s procedure or policy,bring out that written procedure here,otherwise you are all just stating your opinions,and it seems HH has struck some raw nerves somehow,whether he was politicking or not,he has archieved what he wanted
You belong to mmd,behave like a DOG or become a dog,thats loyalty (Kaingu) WOOOOF WOOOF
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Are you suggesting that all citizens that have donation can go there and do there own distributing??? Its not that our people should not fight over food… in a situation like this it becomes every man for himself and not because its Zambia and the politicians are crap… Such situations also need what we call crowed control i doubt very much HH has the personnel to do that…With that i agree with the point raised by Capitalist
Maybe the wrong term is used or its just being mis-understood when distributing food stuff to a displaced angry crowed there is always a possibility of trouble…It only takes one person and it would have been embarrassing for HH.
My suggestion is he should have let the group that was there know that he hard donations and he wanted to present them to the people…That way they make the arrangements needed. Not just showing up..If RB was going to go there they would have also been told in advance to make preparations
DOG loyalty WOOOOF WOOOF leadership!!! Not anymore in this country. Twakana!!!
Now that guy donated mealimeal, what about umunani. Sata we are waiting on you to deliver Chickens or chisense, then Nawakwi can deliver sugar and Chibuku from her brewery.
yaba there we go again,, RB still bwezaling us to the unip era:((
Thanks Kaingu for giving us the proper meaning of M M D : Movement for Mad Dogs! Way to go!
Sharp shooter, i see your point, quite shallow though. If you dont really know how MMD works, then go to sleep bro.The way MMD drags feet, do you want people to start dying of hunger even when food is being distributed? The fact that HH donated and wanted mileage is known but he donated anyway. Did you? The DMMU under George Kunda the liar is a mess and they would have gotten what HH would have given them and eaten it and after sometime say we are waiting for contingency to distribute the donation. There are some many donations that have gone to that office and up to now no tangible results. The good example is the tents which were donated recently. some of them are finding their way out of the DMMU while ZNS and Zambia Army are using their own tents to make shelter for the displaced.
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Elo ba #54 Chizungu kaya bana punzila kuti… Ndiye ma cadre aba, nazina yabo ibakanga kulemba:))=)) pamozi naba Bootlicker. Elo ba Katie #62 kaya ba kamba chani….:-@:-@
#116(Che Guevara)
Let us learn to condemn something wrong be it from opposition or ruling if and when its nonprocedural.HH was offside and I personally,if it were Sata,would not have commented for it is characteristic of him.
I want to thank a patriotic Zambian Mr H Hichilema who was so generous to the suffering flood victims. It is sad that he was nearly stop from carrying out a nobble duty, though understandably donations such as food need to be cleared and satified or else we would end up blaming the government for not taking controls to safe gaurd the lives of our brothers and sisters. Food poisoning is very common most especially in time like this where politics has taken centre stage. This is not to say HH can do such a silly thing,but other desperate poeple who are snakes. Viva HH
This is not Political, HH made that donation on humanitarian grounds just like any sensible human being would do to a friend in need. Damn all of u who are thinking otherwise. You won’t progress and u will forever be behind just like buttocks. Go HH, go My President.^:)^
Mr. Capitalist says:
March 24, 2010 at 7:50 pm
He has headed many companies and therefore knows the importance of procedures. Mr. Hichilema knows this which begs the question, why did he refuse to follow procedure?
Would you give food or money to a corrupt government?
I know i would rather send my donation direct to the needy.
Everyone knows that African countries steal Aid.
IT IS WHY YOUR STILL POOR.
MMD are a bunch of thieves and will take food from a babies mouth to buy Limo’s and Police cars instead.
Opposition politicians in the western world do not go round donating to the needy as that breeds corruption and is seen as cheap politics. They take gov’ts to task for their shortcomings as regards to the needy. Its not the individual that has to make personal donations. There are gov’t departments that are supposed to do these things and if they are not functioning, opposition politicians are supposed to take them to task and that’s why we have parliament. Its not personal money that will run gov’t. If he is putting his money then that is suspicious.
101, I do not hero worship Chiluba or anyone. I said the MMD is bigger than Individuals. Chiluba wasn’t bigger than MMD that’s why he failed his third term bid. I was at the Kafue Round About rally campaigning against Chiluba in 2000
imwe be bantu why is everything in zambia politicized now? even helping the disavdvantaged is now political. what is wrong with one helping people. people you are so much into politics thats why even what is of good will is considered to be political. isn’t the man just supplimenting government’s efforts? what if it was any other zambian or an individual what were these people going to say. you don’t need to go through any one everytime you donate. i work for an NGO and many are times when we have donated things directly to the beneficiaries without going through any one. no 1 has ever complained not even the government.
The problem with the opposition in Zambia is that they think their job is to break laws and procedures. But therein lies the problem, laws and procedures are the basis of governance so what kind of government would they form if ever they came to power? Arbitrariness has no place in a democratic dispensation. Otherwise we shall have the kangaroo situation like in Telesphore’s Catholic Church where Sata is allowed Holy Communion despite him not meeting the criteria while other Catholics in similar situations are barred.
PF cadres please understand that president HH and the mighty UPND are free to campaign anywhere in Zambia without obstruction. Those who claim Lusaka is a PF stronghold, please we are not at war but merely competing for votes and support from the citizenry.
PF is therefore welcome to go and campaign in Northwestern, Western and Southern Provinces where the UPND enjoys much support from Zambians.
Therefore, the expansion programme of UPND must never be limited by PF’s past glory. Even PF got UPND supporters in Lusaka Province starting in 2006 or thereabout. Therefore, if Mr PF/Sata MC was hoping to impede HH’s UPND growth by entering into the PACT then he was wrong but as I read from him, Mr Sata MC has no problem with UPND’s activities to garner more support from Zambians.
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Well president and 2011 presidential candidate HH for your good works. Keep them guessing as to what next you will do after you visited flood victims in Kanyama, etc, and the sick at UTH including chiefs and opposition party leader Ken Ngondo and now this mealie meal donation.
This plot 1 2011 race is not simple but for the prepared.
Have a blessed day all.
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Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.
Which is why the PACT must sell itself properly if they want to form government. Voters are not unreasonable people, no matter what they say in public voters will always decide (by secret ballot) what is best for themselves and not what anybody else purports to say “on their behalf”.
HH is simply policking. Why was he not donating things to the poor when he was still in the corporate world…he was just busy stealing money during the privatisation period. Zambian let us learn from the past and lets not allow politicains to always take us for a jolly ride…be it Sata, RB, HH or any other person.
# 15 i agree with you,period !
As much as I agree with No.15 above I dont blame people who build in such areas…I blame the lawless system we have in this Country. We need REAL decentralisation in this Zambia in order to give the local authorities teeth to bite. Councils are so toothless because REAL power lies along Independence avanue (Plot 1 and Cabinet office) as well as at the MMD Secretariate. Where are the powers that be when these people are building illegally??? In Zimbabwe, despite all their problems, one cannot start building before the city council services the area with roads, water, saniation, electricity and above all your plan has to be approved. Period. This is very simple to implement as long as we keep away politics from city planning. Whats wrong with this Country kanshi??????????????????
This is a very interesting topic on the ethics of giving. I will refer to my word of truth the bible. Remember Luke 10 verse 25-37 the bible passage on the Jew and Samaritan. The priests were too engrossed in law to help an average person. It took a Samaritan to do it. Reflect on this message…Should helping be a procedure? Secondly, all those bloggers whom criticizing HH I hope you have all contributed to the flood victims through Red Cross Zambia….As the bible says. Matthew 7 verse 3 “Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?” Zambians need to give more to their fellow Zambians. There is growing gap between the rich and poor, which needs to rectified.
HH must follow procedure thats why SATA has to stand in 2011 and then HH in 2021 that is if he will still have some breath and continue donating mealy meal and should also help build bridges where they have colapsed. GOOD WORK HECH HECH CALCULATOR BOY.
HH no shame, trying to win votes at any cost useless chap. First you pretend to be helping by ferrying people with with wheel barrow instead of using a vehicle, if you were serious you would have got a cab for the person instead of calling the post to witness your so called good deed. And now donating food , you are the same people that will call for a systemized way of donating if there is an outbreak of a disease because of donated food. HH is you cant respect the Govt in power, why should you even be allowed to rule? stop cheap politicking!
# 134 Chintomfwa, Your names says it all. Cheap thinking, HH is community worker check your facts right.
#135 What facts? buying voters cards and threatening to shoot people is what you are calling facts?
But where was Sata when HH delivered this mealie meal to PF people from a PF stronghold? In a pact, shouldn’t HH have called Sata so they go together and deliver to the needy? It looks like HH went at it alone as UPND and not as a pact. Sata steers clear from campaigning in UPND strongholds but UPND have no problem trying to sway voters in PF strongholds. Very sad development for this pact!
Its no wonder PF are printing badges and posters for Sata for 2011 whilst HH is printing his own as well. There is a silent division here.
There is definately a problem with the pact. HH was in Ndola campaigning and now Lusaka. These are both PF strongholds. He enters these areas as “the pact” but gives out UPND shirts, badges, mealie meal and sugar. There is no mention of PF during the dishing out of these items.
I thought the pact was supposed to be campaigning in MMD areas so that they get more votes from MMD. Is this not why Sata went to Eastern Province and not Southern Province.
Its getting tricky as we get closer to 2011 and things seem to be conflcting even more.
Now we know why HH got into this pact. It was to take over PF areas and to block Sata from standing thus making him defacto leader of the pact. Smart move from HH. He is sharp!
Blessed is the hand that gives than the hand that receives.:) H.H keep it up, huts off!
its only with a non-corrupt government people follow procedures, for the present government even if he was to follow the procedure the meali meal was not even going to reach the victims anyway. its within the government and their weak protocols they mess everything up! HH was just trying to show what the government is supposed to do on the current situation.