Former President Frederick Chiluba must surrender his house to the government as partial payment on the $58 million he was ordered to pay in a corruption case, the attorney general said on Monday.
British Judge Peter Smith issued the forfeiture order on Monday during a hearing to determine how Chiluba would pay the money that a British court ruled he stole while in power from 1991 to 2001, Attorney General Mumba Malila told state media.
“(The court has ordered) that the former president gives up possession of (his house) together with all chattels purchased on 14th December 2001 in the sum of $297,580,” Malila said.
Judge Smith raised the amount that the ailing former Zambian leader must pay last week from $41 million, the original sum set when the verdict was handed down earlier this year, to account for interest and legal costs.
Zambia had brought the civil case against Chiluba in Britain in the hope of recovering properties allegedly purchased with stolen funds in Britain and other European nations. A separate case in Zambia has yet to go to trial.
The charges against Chiluba stem from an anti-corruption campaign launched by his successor, President Levy Mwanawasa. Chiluba has said he is the victim of a political witchhunt and can never get a fair trial in Zambia.
He has also said that he does not recognise the authority of the British court and would block the registration of its ruling in Zambia
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Yea wright do the think his really going to do that.Just hang the man as we are not going to see this money.
Ba Joze where are you people are waiting to hear from you
Where will Fred go to Mandevu or Chaisa, or he intends to back to Chamboli on Kitwe. He has no farm house. Give FTJ State lodge so that he can pay rent
FTJ dont worry I will extend my house,I will take care of you.The only other person who could have looked after you is Dalton Sonkotwe but he is no more (MHSRIP).But where is Sangwa and Simeza? They must be held accountable for their actions.misrepresentation of facts to their client.Smith please speed up your issues so that we can divert our energies else where.
Truly Zambian, BaJoze, AM have you seen what has happenened to our beloved friend? FTJ told Am not giving a verse to read but sends you an old Irish blessing “May the road rise to meet you.May the wind be always at your back,May the sun shine warm on your face, may the rains fall soft upon your fields, and,until we meet in Ndola agin..may God hold you softly in the palm of His hand”
All the Zambians citizens home and abroad would like to thank the former President Dr. Fredrick Titus Mpondu Chiluba for selling them house during the third term campaign many thanx come especially for sitting ternants who managed to get the house at a give away prices. These made most of us proud for shall be taken to UK to answer charges against national plunder.The house so cheap that every Zambian who had practiced corruption at that time could buy more than one house.
Chiluba belong to Ndola. He is always welcome there. I am fed up seeing him in my neighbourhood living in a house he bought using my Money.
Take him to Wusakile township he grow up. he must also finish his standards at his former secondary school
ya!time has come.they say what goes up must always come down.buying chattels and a house 14th december 2001?we now know why the elections were delayed.the thief was busy stealing.Shame on you FTJ and you even have the guts to say the court is not beeing fair to u.infact they are even better cus if it was me,i would have sent u to the gallows.Kakabwalala!!!
Keen to see the funding survival of Cobra and his PF considering that their sponsors he vowed to work for and release come september 29 are under some rigorous pursuit of hardliner former Unipists security operatives absolutely doing it for Levy around the Globe.
Cobra is in a serious fix unless he survives his cover in Oasis forum which i doubt 99%. Soon we should not be surprised to see internal rivalry pushing for democratization in PF held at Gun point by Sata for 6 years without internal elections.
I fear the vicious circle that hit UPND which Cobra was celebrating for is evidently being engineered in PF.
Recently in Kapoche after the loss, Guy Scot complained that “its sad that Zambians have reverted to consolidating a one party system again”. This was following MMD victory. That is a confession of surrender. It all confirms that PF will never win any seat until 2011 if not beyond that.UDA seems to be another monument in chaos. I clearly see MMD beyond 2011.
#9. So whats wrong to see mmd again? Moreover zambia keeps the same politicians, so i see no difference. We should do our best to enter parliament and may be our voice there can make a change. so it does not matter your platform, enter top grz and make changes!!!
#10.Good point.we are tired of the same politicians everytime.all they do is just change political parties or make new ones but with the same policies and aim.just waitin for an opportunity to get to plot1 to steal the little that the country has been left with..its now up to us new guys to make it to parliament house so as to realise the dream of mother zambia.
all ministers, under chilubas term and levys term should be investigated accordingly.
all old polticians must go!!!!
They must go to enjoy their money and help to develop farming in rural areas. But they should give good advice to young players like it goes in most develpoed countries. When we let them go we dont mean to say we dont need them. The fact is that they had all time in their lives heading grz and should now rest and wait for any cases arising!!!
And by 2011 all villagers espescially those in eastern province must learn how to read and write. including their chiefs so that they can vote wisely!!
Kabinga Pande work hard be with us in our young poltical set up in 2011. Learm much dealing with state matters so that u can guide us. You brillient and let no one misguide you.
And make one rail line to mongu also, dont just think it should be for transporting copper. Rail is a good substitute for road espescially when cargo is heavy . All corners of zambia should develope!! And the solwezi one must reach mwinilunga to carry pipo and pineapples too.
Just what you sow my kafupi FTJ though you say you used to go round begging for money from your friends and deposit it into ZAMTROOP. After with, you go and borrow clothes from boutiques in france. Shame on you. Did you invest your stolen money in Zed by the way? I’ve been waiting for this ever since. How many companies did you auction to the same guys who are trying you anyway? Anyhow, we need our money in full. Not in bits. If not, then hang
Bolla panshi bane, whats the way foward? we are here!!!
#15, You may know how to read and write, but you need voting lessons from Zambian voters. They have so far voted wisely.
Leave chiluba alone and focus on Mwanawasa’s choice of leaders, such as rupiah banda and Vera.
What is wrong with Rupiah Banda’s choice that we don’t know? Rupiah is a veteran Politician holder of a Masters Degree in economics and politics. A veteran career Diplomat that has served Zambia well and highly from Ministerial portfolio to Diplomatic missions from a tender age picked straight from College. Ambassador to Washington, Egypt, Ghana to many other Countries. foreign affairs Minister and many others. Successful Business running Hudson Group of Companies and a commercial farmer. So what is wrong with his appointment that that this blog need to know if you are credible?
Vera is a Zambian MP over whom the President has the Prerogative to appoint. what of Bunda Chisenga Chiluba appointed? What of KK’s appointment of the likes of Fines Bulawayo from NW, Peter Chanshi the Luapulan sexual maniac who only knew screwing mentally unbalanced blind women. So what’s wrong with Vera an adaptive learner and Zambian mother? This where you political cadres lose it and never inspire many.
MY FELLOW ZAMBIANS JUDGE ARE WE BLIND HERE OR CAN WE SEE? JUDGE SMITH IS A MEMBER OF BRITISH M15. BEG TO BE CORRECTED ON THIS, I HAVE NEVER ACROSS A JUDGE WHO ACCCUSED THE ACCUSED SOME DAYS AFTER PASSING JUDGMENT IN THE PRESS LIKE IT WAS WITH KAFUPI. THE JUDGMENT WAS WELL PAST, THE DOCUMENT WAS SERVED AND WE ARE NOW BEEING TOLD THAT THE FIGURES HAVE GONE UP. ACCORDING TO THE VIDOE SHOW WE WATCHED. ARE THEY GOING KAFUPI WITH ANOTHER COPY OF THE MONEY HE OWES US AS NATION? BENE CAN YOU PLEASE REGISTER THIS JUDGMENT IN OUR ZAMBIAN COURTS, SO THAT THE PROCESS TO RECOVER THE ACCES CAN START NOW, THAN GIVING US CONFLICTING STATEMENTS IN THE PAPER. EVERY MORNING WE WAKE UP WE READ DIFFERENT STORIES ABOUT THIS MATTER, W H Y ? ? ARE THEY STILL STUDIEN THE JUDGEMENT? WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME TO REGISTER FRAMEWORK IN THE ZAMBIAN LAW TO REGISTER A JUDGEMENT PASSED IN A FOREIGN COURT? CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVICE US.WE NEED THIS MONEY FROM KAFUPI NOW TO BUILD HOSTELS IN THE UNIVERSITIES.
“Uushitasha mwana wambwa”. Leave FTJ! This man managed to distribute wealth amongst many other good deeds he sorted out shortages of essentials, ba by air and mishanga boys. Mwilalaba bane.This is sad and very bad.Fine, he also made mistakes. Alinikateka he is entitled to a GRZ house, so musoveni bondi yimbi kanshi, Chuchu and the boys nishani kanshi.How is Chuchu and his fellow “learned” boys failing to see beyond their nose? A State President ,whether former or current, is privy to a lot of state secrets you dont treat him like this. Enough of this persecution. Please Chuchu take heed its not too late, mwalaya na mashinsha ku buko! No good will come out of this episode.”This is certain, that man that studieth revenge keeps his own wounds green, which otherwise would heal and do well.”
“This is certain, that man that studieth revenge keeps his own wounds green, which otherwise would heal and do well.”
Francis Bacon
It is a great blessing to humanity that cows are not vengeful creatures. Considering how people have treated cattle throughout history, we would be on the horns of a great dilemma if they ever decided to get even. Cows, however, keep life pretty simple. They live in the moment, and they are not known for keeping grudges.
Humans, on the other hand, have a sense of history. We remember who has been good to us and who has not. We also develop a sense of fairness at an early age. Young children know that when you share a cookie, the parts should be the same size, and if you hit me it is only fair that I hit you back. We’ve become a risky species because of that. Tit for tat works fairly well at a certain age and at a rather low level on the scale of moral development. The doctrine of mutually assured elbow poking can keep a row of 7 year olds in line, for a while. If you know I’m going to poke you if you poke me, you might not poke me. The theory breaks down, however, if you are bigger than me. Then I have to appeal to a higher authority to deliver the punishment that will even the score, and hopefully, make you behave. Or I have to hit you harder.
TK your very right,what is the feer of not registing
the judgment up to now.Are still waiting for judge Smith to come and for as.Law Association help Mumba Malila and his team on how to register the judgment on
a fee and not free.Be care the M 15 are just like the
CIA and if Smith is M15 then we are in problems are lishitisha i lya shi ku ma lwayers ba kwa Chiluba on
a fee.
SMITH WAS JUST HIS PAY AND TK IS RIGHT THIS MAN IS
A M15, WE END UP IN PROBLEMS SOON.lET’S JUST RESTART
THE CASE IN THEV ZAMBIAN COURTS. AM NOT A LWAYER BUT
FROM THE LOOK OF THINGS IT IS LIKE THIS MATTER MAY
REOPEN FOR SOME GOOD 4YEARS AGAIN.tHIS REGISTIRATION
ALSO MAY TAKE 6 MONTHS.
Where is Chiluba going to live if they evict him from his house? The govt pays rent for KK and i guese they will do the same to FTJ.Let us learn to take care of our formmer Heads of State. LPM very soon he is going to be former head of state. At least him has Teka farms and his mansion in Kalingalinga. You cant send FTJ to go live in Chipulukusu in Ndola. You Must be jocking Judge Smith.
dON’T WORRY BANE .MUMBA MALILA ATI THE GOVERNMENT MAY
REGISTER THE LODON JUDGMENT EITHER BEFORE THE END OF THIS WEEK OR EARLY NEXT WEEK. SO MY FRIENDS LET’S WAIT
FOR THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK.
#28#He doesnt need his rent paid for him dont forget he should have enough money e.g”The money he stole” PAY YOUR OWN RENT FTJ.How long does it take to spend millions?
As a Zambian living outside the country, I am baffled with the way this case has been handled. Even though Chiluba is a thief, he needs to be given a fair hearing. This is what democracy and human rights mean. If Chiluba is given a fair trial he might tell the public information which can provide a clue of how public funds were stolen. He might implicate the entire political system currently operating in Zambia. We have several checks and balances to avoid theft. If Chiluba stole, then what hapenned to the Minister of Finance, Auditor General, etc. We need him to have a fair trial so that we can understand this spider web and how funds were stolen.
ha! ha! ha!
At last the people of zambia are seeing justice being done.
So Kafupi where r u heading Oh Regina that ….b .. has a house so i guess his got somewhere to go
Ha ha ha ha hang da thief!! Evict him from kabulonga to kamuchanga bane.
Kafupi, you always preached justice and justice has prevailed. Give ceasar what belongs to Ceasar, that includes someones wife you stole. Go and apologise to Vera and Mr Mwanza. Vera knows all your secrets , she is the one who is helping the authorities.Apologise to the Zambians ,Vera and Mr Mwanza then you might see some peace.Finally do the right thing, go for a plea bargain so that you can disclose who else is in on the loot. Dont go down alone
#31 For once there is somebody sane on this issue. People on this blog have just taken it personal. The bottom line is nobody has heard the side of Chiluba and how can we be proud that justice has been done. It’s like Zambia beating a Brazillian Team 10 -0 that features men over 80 years old and running around screeaming we are a great team we beat the world champions. How foolish! This judgement is hollow and the jury is still out as to whether Chiluba really did steal from the Zambians. We need to hear his side and the guy has not been given a chance.
There are more people involved in this racket. The money to buy those 150 vehicles to make LPM come into power ..do you think it grew on trees. All those brown envelopes to bribe voters that voted LPM..where did that money come from. Handing title deeds at a rally to introduce LPM ..where did all those resources come from.
Maybe there is a Bigger conspiraccy to sweep this case under the carpet faster before it get to LPM & Katele
Mulenga,
What are you talking about? Its like you don’t know all characters indicted in this matrix of plunder.Chiluba has been given a hundred chances to redeem himself over the year but deception has him betrayed. Sangwa and Simeza are double agents who misfed him the arrogance.They picked on Sata as their hired gun in sub-normal propaganda and now see them cheaply deny him one by one. Sata is a treacherous opportunists.The september 28 defeat pronounced their Grave.
Lastly what human rights are you talking about when Chiluba took Penza, Wezi Kaunda, Kamima, Shamwana, Paul Tembo, Richard Ng’enda, Pumulo, Cuthbert Ng’uni in cold blood. He even tempted on KK and Dr.Chongwe besides assigning Sata to matchet the anti third term. Have you ever seen Mwanawasa taking any human life?
TITUS BE SERIOUS! YOUR COMMENTS ARE IRRELEVANT TO THE SUBJECT,I WONDER WHERE THE NATION IS GOING IF WE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WITH VAGUE CONTRIBUTIONS LIKE YOU.I DONT MEAN TO OFFEND YOU BUT BE SERIOUS YOUNG MAN.COMING BACK TO THE SUBJECT, ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT ITS ONLY RIGHT FOR FTJ TO PAY BACK WHAT HE OWES THE NATION,I HAVE NO COMPASION ON THIS ONE.IF IT MEANS LEAVING HIM A VAGABOND TO MAKE HIM PAY BACK LET IT BE SO.COUNTRY MEN AND WOMEN LETS CALL A SPADE A SPOON,A SPADE IS A SPADE.
Thats no way to treat a former head of state.FTJ has had a greater share of problems;a rebelious son, his wife commiting adultery, a heart problem,LPM procecuting him,london court judgement,being stripped of his presidential imunity,i mean the list is endless.Infact this so called fight against corruption has become monotonus and lost its meaning.It has just managed to breed contemt and hatred among all of you bloggers.IF ANYONE OF YOU HAS NEVER STOLEN IN HIS/HER LIFE LET THEM CONDEM CHILUBA TO DEATH AND TIE THE NOOSE AROUND HIS NECK- DETRAYERS HYPOCRITS I THINK YOU ARE!!!
ftj if i where u i would goo back to my roots cb leave
lsk pipo that side will understand u better belive me
Mulilo wayaka,wapya walala,you dont steal in life,either petty or big time.work hard for your money otherwise time will catchup with you soon or later.This is a lesson to all zambians,either civil servant,coporate and aspiring politicians.The trend has been set,We the Zambians will come after all those that have stolen Zambian monies,soon or later.So bane hang on to your salary,meagre or FAT.
fOR Kafupi THE HOUR HAS COME,TO TASTE THE BITTER PILL,ON BEHALF OF UBZ,ZCBC,MWAISENI,FURNCOZ ANA many more companies gone because of you motive.
Chanda Phiriand co.no one is taking this personal. The fact remains that we want the money back dead or alive. Look if a president steal that is not a state secret. I want to remind you that Mobvuto Seseko is buried in Morroco because he had to run away of bad dids. He stall Bilions and banked the money in Monaco and Switzerland and the poor people of DR Congo will never see a cent of it. At least us in Zambia we have managed to bring to book a leader who was arrogant and swindled the nation thinking he will not be caught. Now he has caught he must pay back. He is lack that Zambians are christians he must have been sent to Dehagen, Holland to answer case against human rights and humanity. To starve a nation is a waste crime a leader can committ. Money meant for maize bought by Carlington company of Canada was diverted to buy suits, shoes, when people were dying of hunger. We should be sensible. What state secret is not the same man who disclosed the tunnels at state house
FJT you deserve it. Stealing is a bad habit. Lesson to the current leaders. Watch out! Please, why can’t chiluba’s close Ministers scot-free. Where did Sata get all his money. CAn the law visit Sata! Remember the 2billion kwacha money stolen from National Assembly with Chibesakunda
No 39, are you sure Chiluba’s wife started committing adultery or is it that she felt very lonely because the man was everywhere from Intern.Hotel receptionists and opening committing adultery with Reginah b4 he married her. Vera was a very lonely woman, and I think she needed someone to smile at her and acknowledge her as a woman – and well ‘late Archie’ did. There is not woman who will leave a Good man … Never!!!
Its Chiluba’s payback time – he should see, and enjoy every minute of it. I believe Reginah’s former hubby and his children cant wait to see how all this will end – God is a JUST God!!!
I still believe that chiluba never stole
#44DW are talking from experience? you seem to have gone through what Vera went through.In all honest Vera is as dirt as FTJ she went and messed up a young lady’s marriage.And you call that sanity?You should not justify sins these two chaps are born sinners that is why Vera went further to expose FTJ’s bad habits.If you are doing the same mischief to your hubby because he is not paying attention to you, you pay a price for your mischief , refrain and be normal
#45.
Belief does not change Truth.
You can believe a lie, you know.
#45. Bwalya
In algebra 1a + 1a = 2a
Whether you believe it or not.
Yah! This is the same man who cursed us poverty and for that matter in the name of JESUS and declared us christians. GOD forbid. I guess it’s time for millions to curse you.
Puff Daddy 39# why are blind the has to pain the price. Look in USA a court case is on against Paris Hilton she a Billionare and she has been sent to prison for 45 days for her conduct. She has tried to trick the judicary by showing that she has mental problems. She was supposed to serve only half the sentences but becuase she became stupid she thought her riches can save the sentence has reversed to 45 days and she has accepted to boos it. Your FTJ Zambians have asked him to apologize to no avail the man is stubborn and guilty. No reverse gear he must pay.
Puff Daddy 39# why are blind the has to pain the price. Look in USA a court case is on against Paris Hilton she a Billionare and she has been sent to prison for 45 days for her conduct. She has tried to trick the judicary by showing that she has mental problems. She was supposed to serve only half the sentences but becuase she became stupid she thought her riches can save the sentence has reversed to 45 days and she has accepted to boos it. Your FTJ Zambians have asked him to apologize to no avail the man is stubborn and guilty. No reverse gear he must pay. Bwalya 45# if he didnt stole which business is he runing to give him millions. Did he win a jackpot.
39.PUFF ADDER
Why should chiluba dance to a different tune when there are thousands upon thousands of poor zambia serving their sentences in prison for petty offenses?
Then lets empty all our prisons!!
#49 Do not mention God’s name in vain, FTJ declared this country a chritian nation with good cause and because thats what God planned for us. And this nation will stay a christian nation whether u like it or not. Ala insansa shinya ubulanda, all u pipo who busy laughing at FJT, u will leap what u sowing now. I call upon the blood of Jesus to cover FJT from all those missisles being sent by the evil one, through blog.amen
#53,AM Iam wearing a yellow ribbon for FTJ.Iam so hopeful that a solution will be found for FTJ.
AM, Ba Joze, Truly Zambian let us join hands to help where we can for our dejected brother whose migty deeds have gone to waste by these thankless hard hearted chaps.Ni bamutasha filikumasaya
Ent…. No. 22, u seem to know RB very well. Can you tell us how did he starteed his so called ‘successful’ business? What guarantee is there that he did not loot govt resources while in those positions. No. 25 Chiwala boy, you are one of the positive contributors on this blog, please keep it up.
It is unfortunate that some make contributions on FTJ out of hate. FTJ certainly made mistakes both big and small, just as much as LPM and KK or indeed any other leader. But to treat him like this just for political expedience is out of the ordinary. But of course he can be made to answer for his wrongs by way of letting the judicial process take its course. Unfortunately what we are seeing falls far short of the expected standards of justice. LPM needs to introspect, is he being humane to his predecessor? But of course as we all know this is a passing phase for him, LPM himself can not even stand the an inch of the pain he has inflicted on the man. We all know how he looked when at elections
#53 My dear friend AM
It is not good to kick a man when he is down so I shall not do it with FJT.
My friend let us pray that FTJ my make peace with god by confessing his sins.Nothing is impossible with Christ.
Even among the fourty nine pastors from Ndola who said he was annointed to go for a third term, there must be at least one who will tell him the truth today.
I have got nothing more to say on this matter….
AM I also send the devil lood for protecting a runatic, thief, mercless person who caused suffering to many people. Go and read the bible its what agree on earth God also accepts it. Punishment is not for the poor but for every wrongdoer
Jose, Jose my brother where art thou,
FTJ refused to recognise the authority of Smith and Co. but it is quite evident that arrogance will take him nowhere.He was given a chance to defend himself and he chose not to.Bloggers have accused Smith of being MI5…..so what if he is, the point is, he has concluded a case our own judicial system has failed to do. On the basis of the judgement,FTJ and co have stolen money from us and the average Zambian wants him and his posse punished for it.Precedent has been set so our current leaders must take note.Can our own judicial system also deliver a speedy judgement that will either concur with Smith and Co. or exonerate the accused.If MI5 are involved i wonder what benefit they would accrue from this judgement apart from helping an inept African judiciary do what it should have done by itself years ago.We need to take the Chief Justice to task as well as the DPP.After 43 years of independence surely we can speedily prosecute petty crooks like FTJ and Co??
#54 Kuku I am joining u wearing a yellow ribon for ba mudala. GOD is our comforter when troubles hit of life. For HE is the one: WHO COMFORTS US IN ALL OUR TRIBULATION, THAT WE MAY COMFORT THOSE WHO ARE IN ANY TROUBLE WITH THE COMFORT WITH WHICH WE OURSELVES ARE COMFORTED BY GOD. BLESSED BE THE GOD AND FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE FATHER OF MERCIES AND THE GOD OF ALL COMFORT.AMEN.
Ba Kuku, Ba Jose, Nawe wina Ci CITIZEN pls let us join hands in prayer for FJT, definitely a solution will be found. Indalama ndepanga uno mulungu pa intercity ndesungila ba mudala kabafyeko ku rent.
If Chiluba turelly stole, then let vegence be of the Lord’s.
#60,AM Amen, Ci Citizen nacicita repent, he has seen that irrespective of what insults he utters on FTJ , he is not achieving anything other than self redicule.But he is welcome , he is our brother.AM give some route to fill at Intercity so that nao apangeko umucanga,nawishiba aba abena Levy babi sana , neyeposo caumina kumo kuti bayipaya abanabo pafyabuwelewele.As for the accommodation AM ifwe twalibomba kale tukesa ikala na bamudala tapali pressure apo,kabili ine ni nuclear family fye -father ,mother and two kids, kwaliba na guest wing kabili balitucitile empower so why cant we pay back dearly?Iwe chi Easy walepa kumwenu. BOrn Rich mwaice naiwe wa join abena Teka Farms , its no good mwaice believe in what is right for you not blind loyalty
Guys, Zambia has not yet heard the truth. All we have heard is one and all the ‘judgement’ is based on this side. When the defency begins then we will hear what the truth is. For me I will not sink so low to hit the man for what still appears to be mere allegations. I will only do so from an informed position. So far all we have heard are voices of his foes concerning this judgement. Suppose it turns out that infact the $41m include MMD vehicles, LPM’s election campaign envelopes, etc is the attorney general going to ammend his claim to include MMD, LPM and other beneficiaries of Zamtrop likes of VJ etc. If so then FTJ will have it easy to pay back as he will simply collect from these pipo. Then for what he spent on peace in DRC and Angola, he can appeal to the now peaceful countries to come and help pay back. Then for what he spent on his family, they can subtract from his pension. Thereafter create another task force on LPM, then KK. We need all the money back. No immunity for anyone
Ngakukonka, we are all capable of being under Chiluba’s shoes, because the things that we do are just beyond explanation. So leave Chiluba alone.
#63 Joe you are right people seem to be so exited about a one sided judgment. Lets wait. By the way, all those you bought mansions whether from the council or ZCCM for TEN PIN ( K10, 000.00) will have to pay the difference to market prices if Chiluba goes down. Your friends all over the world have mortgages which take them a life time to pay and FTJ sorted you out and you are even more louder on this blog against him. “Ta mu tasha Noku tasha” We need all the cash in the treasury to build hostels at UNZA.
Joe(63)whilst not being a lawyer by profession (unfortunately)a judgement is only given when both parties have had a chance to present their case (prosecution and defense).FTJ chose not defend himself(a very foolish strategy).The “other information” you seek can only be made by way of appeal!!!Don’t you think if the $41million included MMD vehicles etc. FTJ would have said so already instead of suffering the indignity of such a judgement??? Joe, the man has been caught with his fingers in the cookie jar….on appeal he should tell us how,when and with whom he did it with!! Personally, i am more interested in the “others” being brought to book but this can only come out in an appeal !! May our learned colleagues out there correct me if i am wrong.
#31,Mulenga says,”Even though Chiluba is a thief, he needs to be given a fair hearing”.
Chiluba has said, “he is the victim of a political witchhunt and can never get a fair trial in Zambia”.
Quote from the London Court judgment article: “Former President FTJ Chiluba, today lashed out at a London high court judge who found him guilty of stealing US $46 million , calling him a “racistâ€. He accused Zambian and British leaders of conspiring to “crucify†him”.
Please explain where FTJ’s going to get this ‘fair’ trial. Homefront; not good enough. Foreignfront; even worse. Heaven;too far.
Even trade winds have a direction. FTJ (sorry to say) talks too much.He forgets what he says. He lost direction when he decided to help himself to public funds.
My conclusion: he’s just trying to play Zambians against their intelligence. Let him just own up and admit his dribbling antiques have been thwarted and have come to a drastic end. End of story!
Ba Chanda Phiri you can see how evil this man is he corrupted the whole society because he wanted at all cost to remain in power. God forbids even his chosen once when they go astray he punish them. The man was health before then look at what has befallen him. He destroyed the marriage of Mr. Mwanza do you think God is happy. Stop take a thought. Of all the humans why is this man being humilated like this. There is a cause and it lies in him. If he want people he must standup and repent many people ready to for give him. To be adamant it doesnt help. Judgement has already down all we need now is justice. This is a less for many whi support people blindly.
Problem with the amount ‘stolen’ is that its keeps changing all the time. It appears the court/persecutors dont know how much they are looking for. Pipo you mean FTJ can finish spending $41m in a few years. It it was really stolen which bank the money banked in. They are not saying. All the properties and money mentioned for FTJ put together is not adding up to the figures. Question is where else was the money taken? The so called experts have not done a good job. This is why this case will take ages.
It seems this govt is just diverting pipo’s attention for development issues. They are suppose to be increasing the mine royalt tax to 3% to bring it to the world standard but they are not doing because they source money for campaigns from the same chaps. They even go further to mortagage the country to China in exchange for more campaign moneys. These guys should be serious. The money they purport to be recovering can be generated within a short period if the economy is managed well.
#36, see posting in #67. Actually, nobody barred FTJ from stating his side of the story. He used his free agency not to – though again he did, in response to the Lond’n judgment, albeit via a press conference, where he was quoting text-books to shoal-up or legitimise that others had also stolen, so he should be forgiven?
No FTJ. Anyone who has stolen from the Zambians will have to account. It’s as clear as that!
Chachine Ba Joe na Chanda Phiri,lets wait for FJT to get well, then he can spill the beans (chilemba ikawa). VJ knows so much why cant he come out and tell the truth and why is Chuchu quite about about MMD vehicles bought with state money, why are they not persecuted and vehicles returned to the state? For sure Chuchu is very craft (that why he is twin brother to chuchu of NO ONE BUT YOU soap opera), he came to power thro fraudently means. #62 Ba Kuku bakamba, Lesa akamulambwilapo pakuchita ofa gesti ng’anda yenu kuli madala. Lastly, Ba Kuku, I join the Angels in heaven to rejoice very much for Ci CITIZEN’s repentance.
#41, good timely warning from you. When I suggested a while ago on this blog, as part of fighting corruption, for a land audit to be conducted, starting with Lsk., the likes of Nkataboy saw red! Well,it seems MoL is doing just that, a land audit and a land bank are in the offing – see today’s issue of the Post!
Hats off to Ministry of Lands. This is a good starting point in ensuring a transparent, sustainable, development oriented land delivery system in Zambia.
# 53 i totally support you that insasa shinya ubulanda you are very much correct.Me personally still believe that chiluba never stole and there is nothing which is permanent here on earth everything will pass away.
Apologies for changing the subject. However I must say…”CONGRATULATIONS TO THE LUSAKA TIMES AND THIS BLOG”. This is the only forum where I get a real .. honest to goodness… feel of what’s happening in my beloved country. Some of the contributors are absolutly hilarious (I have learnt a new word – “pipo”) while most tell it like it really is.
Long live Zambia, Long live the Zambian “pipo”.
HIM(73), FTJ admitted putting his “personal” money in the Zamtrop account !! He claims this was on the expert advice of the intelligence chiefs.Unfortunately, FTJ cannot account as to where this money came from (this doesn’t look good!!)It would help if he could tell us how he came about so much “personal” money given that in 1991 ( whilst wearing orange socks on TV) he was a pauper!! As you continue to support him, please also advise him to come clean in the process.The truth may not necessarily set him free, but ensure he is not lonely in prison!!
Let us ALL come together in one accord and CRUCIFY chiluba!!
#76. Amen!!
Sorry Kafupi,nothing seems to be on your side,especially with your sturborness of not coming out and giving up a few million dollars you stole and then give an appology.All will go well and then you can go to one of those beaches relax your stress.
AS MUCH AS I SUPPORT THE FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION, I THINK WHEN A PERSON IS SEEMED TO BE PERSECUTED, THEN THE FIGHT RENDERS ITSELF IRRELEVANT. CHILUBA STOLE AND INDEED THE LAW SHOULD VISIT HIM. BUT WHAT IS UNFAIR IS THAT THE MOMENT YOU WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLEEP YOU ARE ASSURED THAT THE DAY WILL ONLY CARRY CHILUBAS NAME. ALL THE PAPERS, THE RADIOS ARE JUST ON CHILUBA. IS HE THE ONLY THIEF IN THIS COUNTRY? LET US SPARE HIM. DO WE HAVE HUMAN OR ANIMAL HEARTS. THE GUY IS SICK, CAN WE GIVE HIM TIME TO RECOVER. WE HAVE PUT HIM UNDER SO MUCH PRESSURE EVEN IN HIS CONDITION. DO WE WHAT THE MAN TO DIE BEFORE THE LAW IS THROUGH WITH HIM? LEAVE CHILUBA ALONE
To understand Chiluba and those who support him, you need to understand where he comes from.Look at his origins.Is not out of deceipt?Look at his education qualifications.Are they not out deceipt?Look at his name.Is he FTJC or Chiluba Nkonde?More importantly is his?Look at his marriages.Are they all not about betrayal?
How about his presidency?He betrayed all the Zambian people including his wife and children.The man could not even pay Castro`s medical bills for a scan!
I trully feel sorry for Mr.Mwanza who lost his wife to this evil man.
Dr.Katele Kalumba, his former mentor is grooming himself to take over the presidency so as to continue from where he was stopped.
It seems many of us would indeed like FTJ to be taken to the “Cleaners”, so that he can feel our wrath, on this one, LPM has done it coolly! BUT HOW SAD FOR ZAMBIA, we have now been blinded by our hate, that now Smith can openly PROSTITUTE OUR CURRENT CONSTITUTION & we can still applaud!! A former president , as the constitution outlines, is entitled to a govt house whether anyone likes it or not , that’s the LAW, unless we amend it. What an INSULT to our INTELLIGENCE & the SOVEREIGNITY of our CONSTITUTION that A FOREIGNER can now embark on telling us how to flout it with impunity; even worse, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, who is supposed to defend & interpret our laws, simply wags his tail between his legs & panders to Simth’s beck & call. AG has no shame, inspite of the utter rage & disappointment displayed @ the state of the Law fraternity a few months back, that were simply crocodile tears, BECOZ we can now see for ourselves that the ROT HAS GONE DOWN TO THE CORE!! May God help Zambia!
With reference to #79 and #80, I want to say that too wrongs do not make a right. Whether we like it or not Chiluba was Zambian President for 10 years and no one will change history. How the man came to power and his origins are at this point immaterial coz he ruled us. Actaully, if on his qualifications and citizenship he cheated, it only goes to tell us our porous are our systems are! imagine someone dribbling his way to Plot one, Com’on zambians, let us wake up and work on our system to avoid another crook into Plot one. The man chiluba is sick and as such i request people to mind there comments on this sick man even though the courts have found him with a case to answer, he still remains human and he deserves to be teated as such. YOU FATHER IS YOUR NO MATA HOW MAD HE MAY BE. BE REASONABLE.
Bauze(81) a little less emotion will do you good.Zamtrop is an account in a foreign land,subject to international law. If Smith was making a ruling over monies in a Cairo Road branch your views maybe considered.Why is it the legality of the Smith court is not an issue?? maybe our learned colleagues can guide us on this.Bauze, GRZ was sued in a London court (Vulture Funds), the judgement is binding !!!Smith has done nothing against your constitution it is us that are failing to uphold it !!!. A little more sense and a little less emotion please.( please note i was once lambasted on this blog for a seemingly emotional stance and outburst….so don’t take it personal!!)
Am honestyly suprised at the hate that people have toward this former president. Look I for one does not recognize the London Judgement because it says zambian justice by zambian courts is irrelevant. Levy should pardon FTJ. He is in power because of FTJ. The man should save his friend form total humiliation. Forget about the money and concentrate on developing zambia.
#84. How can you pardon someone who says he never did anything wrong?
You are the same pipo who were glorifying FJT for presidency and SHOUTING ALOUD ‘THE HOUR HAS COME’ and now you have turn round to want to SHOUT ‘CRUSIFY HIM’. Why did u not refuse when he sold u houses at 10,000 pin each? You should have said: it is stealing from the state. All of u who benefits from 10000 pin houses stole from the state and should be condemed for accepting that give away price. You should return back the houses to the state or council. Chuchu is surely drawing ur attention to FTJ’s case, meanwhile he is also stealing from u. Iwe ka gk #78 ulekwata umuchishi, iwe ewe mutali, wasamwa sana, ngabaisa Ba Jose bakesa kuchita akantu.
Pundit, I accept your counsell, but i feel you may have missed my point, my argument wasn’t against the case as has been laid against FTJ, it is the MERE FACT THAT SMITH has over stepped his boundaries, in that he has ORDERED FOR FTJ TO GIVE UP THE HOUSE, TOTALLY DISREGARDING THE ZAMBIAN CONSTITUTION, YES, this makes me emotional, becoz it DENIGRATES my ZAMBIAN PRIDE, & I think it should do yours too!!
#86 The names of the people who bought houses for 10,000 pin should all be on record – find them out and prosecute. Perhaps now is the time to turn over all records and catch some of the fish who might get away. Chiluba certainly deserves what he gets but he is only one of many.
Can someone on this blog help me understand the meaning of contempt of court?
Iwe bauze, it does not matter who kills the snake nor how its killed.
Chapi#89,Contempt of court, is the simple act of disregarding, the power, or jurisdiction, or authority of a particular court. A court has supreme authority over its jurisdiction, that no other authority can over rule it, unless a higher court can find that such particular court has misdirected itself in its proceedings and acted beyond its jurisdiction.
imwe guys,ka chiluba is just a common thief who abused our vote.Infact we Zambians are to blame for not having scrutinised the ka chap earlier.It’s now time to take back what belongs to Ceasar.
We’ve learnt our lesson,so Sata, HH and the rest of the clowns running for plot 1, muchenjele bangwele, we’ll uncover all the dirty linen in your tuma bedrooms b4 u even think of taking us for a ride bafigili
Ulusefye kuliba mama ba Regina, ngababa chita evict, bakaya kwi mwebantu?
#87 what soveriegnity and pride are you talking about when everyday you at your neighbours mukupula. Just last week LPM was in UK begging/borrowing. Until we catch up with them, economically, they have every right to poke their noses in our national affairs.
Bauze(87), what has the Zambian Constitution got to do with FTJ’s house (the current one)? My interpretation is that FTJ owns the house (in one way or another) and as such it is counted as an asset belonging to him….which therefore means it can be siezed in an effort to recover stolen monies.If GRZ builds FTJ a house are the title deeds given to him (i.e are they in his name)??If not, the court cannot seize what doesn’t belong to him.Even i would have problems with Smith if he ordered the seizure of a house built/bought by GRZ under the provisions of the constitution!! International law is at play here and instead we should chide the countries that allow leaders to stash stolen money in their banks.Refer to the Sani Abacha case!! The so-called West, who only follow international law when it suits them, allowed Africa’s biggest plunderer to stash billions in their banks!! This is where the problem lies.
Thankyou so much BAUZE #91.Would whats currently going on be cited as contempt of court in FTJ criminal case?
Pundit, I take his current house, to be a transitional govt house b4 he moves to his retirement home, I stand to be corrected.
#93, inshiya mukupula, & I don’t accept LPM doing it in my name either. Do you think by begging that’s when you will catch up with the west?? Look @ China; Japan; India – these are countries that have dug deep within themselves to get where they are; Zambia is blessed with resources, & the most important resource – Zambian brains!!!!!!! The ones LPM refers to as traitors, and then turns round and hoodwinks you into thinking begging is the right course. Instead of him encouraging people abroad to reinvest & even contemplate coming back, his backward thinking gets the better of him, as he often basks in his ability to lose his temper, even to little fickle and irrelevant things such as satire & cartoons, my friend, we have a long way to go if we keep @ this pace, we need a seismic shift in our thinking of what we want to be and how we will achieve this, it is very obvious that our current crop of leaders is absolete. Fora such as this one, should hopefully help us see light!
Chiluba is staying in the serval house as a tenant of a shoddy company in the UK which was owned by a legal fame Malik. As all of you may be aware now, the house does not legally belong to Chiluba but to the company which has since been desolved by Malik application. Since the company is no longer in existance and it is the one which filed a stay in the Zed High court..Our Hight court can now move and decide on the house as ealrier petitioned to have been stolen. Chiluba is caught in his Web of spinnning and theft.
If people like Bauze, and Joze are the brains you are boasting about which can develop Zambia, then think again. Bauze, you dont know nothing about China and India or the Eastern Tiger. I have been to these countries and I have seen how much the West has invested in there taking advantages of cheap labour. You Zedians your problem is eating all the maize in the field from borrowed seed & fertilizer and not preserving Seeds for the next planting season..
Pundit, which clauses of the ‘international law’ are at play? You rightly observed that judgement makes sense if both sides are given a chance. But this is different. FTJ given a chance or is chances-of course not in a foreign court. FTJ has been willing to defend himself in Zambian courts just as in other cases. Look for the money to go to Zamtrop it came from Zambia in the first place. All they could have done was to get evidence from London and elsewhere in Europe if any, then present it in Zambian courts. Zamtrop was held at a branch of ZANACO not a British or any other bank. Govt’s reason was that there is a ‘reciprocal’ arrangement between ‘ZED’ and UK, it this is true then a judgement obtained in Zambia can be registered in the UK court for enforcement on properties their, including those of other UK based defendants. Why would Britain refuse ‘Zedian’ courts trying UK citezens (including firms) by ‘Zedian’ courts yet it accepts to try Zedians? Sheer Nonsense! Viva Zambia!!!!
Owe….!!! if HK(98)is right and Cave Malik are party to the proceedings, then Smith is well within his powers to include the seizure of that house. Maybe LPM should give FTJ a place to stay and soon…..at least until his appeal is dealt with.I hope all of this is not too much for the reported “weak heart” !!It would be nice to have a living example of what happens to leaders who steal from their own people!! Each country must have a living reminder of what happens when you abuse your position…South Africa has Yengeni,Zimbabwe had Banana( for ball room dancing with his male bodyguard)so we can have FTJ !!!
HK , it is nice to know you have visited the countries you mention, but as a living example yourself, it just goes to show how much a culture shock can affect one, you’ve failed to grapple what happened b4 the West went to invest in these countries, investment followed their own internal development – it’s brains with this type of understanding & analysis that I was referring to – not the tourist type such as yours!!!!
Ba Joe(100),the courts in Zambia have shown on numerous occasions that they do not have the required competence to afford a speedy and fair trial to ANYONE!! How many nolle ‘s have been entered in high profile cases??.Lets accept superior competencies and use them where we are lacking. There is no shame in it. The shame only comes in when we do not deliberatly make an effort to improve our own competencies to avoid seeking assistance next time round !! How long did it take for your courts to convict Bulaya….a simple case by comparison ?? Viva Zambia yes…..only where it makes sense and means something. Can our learned friends tell us all, the main sources of Zambian law.I think your answers may partly explain why we look up to the UK in these circumstances.
#100, who is chiluba to dictate where he can defend himself. you must defend yourself where ever you have been sued. its possible if you are clean….are you shure you wanted him to dictate the conditions in which hewas going to be tried? He is deluded, but you dont have to be.
Did you follow Bulaya’s case, if you did, you will know that the case is yet to be completed. Bulaya did not defend himself as he prefered to go to a higher court than that court so he chose to discontinue defending himself so he could get a different magistrate. So that passed judgement based on the prosecution’s side. In fact as we talk Bulaya’s case has gone to the higher court. The conviction has been inconsequential. BA Pundit, I concur with you if you now suggest that the reason to take the case to UK is because of the incompetence of the local courts. This is what is in dispute and will have to be proved in unfortunately the ‘incompetent’ court you have refered to. Personally I do not subcribe to such thinking about our courts as it amounts to an inferiority complex.
If this Bulaya appears in court again the judge should give him life imprisonment for buying expired drugs for patients -sick people imagine. Does he know how many died due to this medicine. After his appearing give life imprisonment for wasting govt resources and time for a case he know he committeed. Some our dear friends who had hope in taking this medicines died because they have become resistant.
Ba Joe(105) call it whatever complex you like,the fact is we are not yet competent to unravel the matrix of theft perpetuated by the FTJ regime. Bulaya was convicted my friend, he has just exercised his right of appeal which may be thrown out and the earlier conviction upheld. Appealing does not mean you are not guilty.Whilst on appeal you may even be granted bail and left to roam around for a while !!!Judgement is never passed only after prosecution submissions unless the trial was done in your absence.Before a prosecution is commenced a prima facie case against you must be established. I am no lawyer and i stand corrected if i have erred in my contribution.Ba Joe, let us accept our judicial system requires reform and cases like these highlight its deficiencies.Any ideas how we can reform our judicial system.i shamelessly call on our learned colleagues for guidance.
Is the Kabulonga house FTJ lives in rented for him by GRZ or his personal property.I had the impression the govt was renting for him pending the construction of his own according to his condition of service.If rented then why reposes or evict him?guide me PLEASE!!
In Tonga we say Kuumba nkulivuna, kubeja nkuubyabya mutwe. Means Stealing is helping yourself and telling lies is to make your head light, Kumba utajatwi VJ principles ever clean.
Puff #108, read HK #98 for your answer.
#105, in Bulayas case the original judgement was effected, the current case is an appeal. Bulaya spent some time in jail. FTJ has refused to appeal because he wants to dictate which court to go to when ever he wants to.He wants to go to a court of his choice say once a year or whatever frequency he likes. If all thieves had such options none would be convicted.
Puff #108, according to Post, the property is owned by FTJs hoax company ‘River Properties Overseas Limited’, an English registered company.
ok now grz is really playing to the gallery.isnt this one of the so called good governnance schemes imposed by the imf and world bank .these are double standards. what equitable jurisdiction does the london highcourt have to order the repossession of property that is in this jurisdiction.do not get me wrong ftj stole yes and should pay back but the procedure.why didnt the attorney general register the judgement here and have it enforced.what equitable jurisdiction when the court itself is not coming up with such an order with clean hands. remember the argument of the accounts are based in london,the finance charter for ziss cannot be invoked on the operation of zamtrop coz the statute applies in zambia and not on an account based in england. really where is the fairness on procedure. and where were the british when the money was actually being laundered in their preccints and i am yet to see a reference and appreciation of the principle of conflict of laws.laz wake up.
Pundit, for your information, Chiluba and his cronies used foreign companies specifically formulated to to buy property under disguise. Like the serval Road house, the title is not to Chiluba but to a company in England which is linked to Cave malik. Chiluba as petitioned confirmed not to owning the house but as a legal tenant of the mentioned company.. When the property was seized by ZAMTROOP, the company laid claim and put stay pending judgement in Lusaka High court. Since Cave Malik has applied to have the company dissolved in London, This automatically brings a spin on the assets and liabilities of the company…
Chiluba can only claim damages to Cave malik if they fail to honour the lease agreement..But I am sure there must be a clause protecting cave Malik in the deal. Chiluba is in Shit.Cave cud be a state witness right now.
PUFF ADDER, Hey has told you the company name. You now know how your Kafupi tried by all means to hide and cover his trails. Give due respect to Levy and Kunda. offcourse let us not forget Mark Chona and his infiltrated Task force.They did their home work. All we needed was political will, which Mwanawasa under Post and people pressure had to give. Sata and his spnsers tried to distabilize the proceeding and case to no avail. ATAN shansonga was recruited to give infor, but bolted but I still believe was part to exposure. Ba Stella Chibanda, welcome back to our backyard and hope your brothers will now learn to shut their mouth.
Now that my father will be homeless very soon, i dont know what to do! i could join my mother vera after all she is now in government stealing some more money. As you know behind every successful thief there is a woman behind!
Tito Chiluba, Your Mother was appointed to the lower cabinet protflio to spite your Kfupi Daddy and accelarte his heart disease. She has no access to GRZ coffers as levy has no brown envelopes to distribute like in your Daddy govt. It is unfortunate that a little K10million she was entrusted with at campaign drive was not accounted 4 and almosted costed the MMD the by election.
Dont worry tito, the gutters in Ndola are waiting 4 as i doubt if your mother’s boyfriend will like your habit of Ganja smooking. He really makes your mother happy and I think you care for your mother alot.
#100 Joe, There is no way that UK would ever register a conviction of its citizen or its firms done by Zambian courts. That could be insane. Remember America lobbied many nations including Africans to sign a treaty that excludes them from charging any member of their armed forces from being prosecuted for crimes against humanity committed outside the USA. Many countries signed in support of this resolution in exchange for aid. If the transactions in UK were noticed earlier (of course there are hundreds of those going on, as you know GB produces nothing but these moneys help their economy), that government should have raised an alarm before assuming they had the Zambians’ interest at heart. The conspiracy is nauseating and I wished the whole judgment was in Zambia and I would have no quarrels with it. Otherwise we will wait for another new course for LMP after 2011 on this one.
#117, For an average zambian it must be a good conspiracy since it brings back stolen money. If we could have more of such conspiracies then all stolen monies stashed abroad could be back.
protecting ‘citizens’ just for the sake of would be quite meaningless. I am sure the US had reason other than protecting criminals
#117 CK, No matter what method was used at least we got results. If this case was in the ZED courts it would have taken years of media circus. Stop being emotional and accept GB is well advanced and where we can get their help why not ?. GB is a very rich country, among the top 5. They have no intreast or time to squeez Zambia, for what ?
The trick is to use them and learn from them in our development efforts.
please let us erase all misunderstandings. the issue of registering a conviction does not arise this is a civil matter not criminal.the criminal proceeding are on going now that why there was that medical exam to determine if ftj is fit to stand trial there has not been a conviction yet. we need to draw that distinction its very important.
What next for Regina? I can imagine what Vera is doing, probably shouting halleluah!
Chuchu got money from the ZAMTROP account to electrify and develop Teka Farms, this is the reason he has kept quite to reveal who the beneficiaries of that account are. He knows it will fall on him when everything about the account is exposed. Rupiah Banda failed to run football (FAZ), how do you entrust him with such a powerful portifolio? All his businesses collapsed. Bring young men like HH. Ba Sata balabomba sana nomba nabakota. Chuchu should account for his electrification of Teka Farms, how come it wasn’t when he was just running his law firm? Bana Chuchu should also learn a lesson from Vera about her organisation because chuchu will do like Kafupi did to Vera.
I am suprised CK is still talking about the London court. We are in a different phase right now.We got a Civil conviction and we are going ahead to get our money and assets bought with our money back. To me, it is principaly right to punish a thief like chiluba even if it cost me more. I remember paying K10million to recover my K8million. The guy was punished, his company winded up thru liquidation. The lawyer walked away more richer than the two of us, but I was satisfied as this monkey wont swindle another innocent zambian. Good lesson. Good Job Mwanawasa, and dont fall in the same sinkhole. I will be happy if u get punished too if u do same thing.
why the name chuchu. i need to be guided.
Quote ZNBC news: “Second Republican President, Frederick Chiluba’s first born son, Tito has died. … Dr. Chiluba’s Spokesperson, Emmanuel Mwamba announced Tito’s death …..”
# 115, I think it’s unsavoury to impersonate a dead person. It’s unZambian!
The sins of the father should not be extrapolated to the dead son. Just stick to the living, or better still to the subject matter!
Hk, your business & economic acumen are quite interesting, overspending & living in perpetual debt seem to appeal to you – for you , its all down to satisfy your ego! Can now see, why LPM is your hero, YOU are weaved of the same streak!! To get FTJ!!
LPM hasn’t indicated how much it will cost us to recover what has been misappropriated & whether on a financial basis this would have been in the interest of the nation that is struggling to shore its economy & provide essential services to its desparate population. MORALLY, it indeed does make sense to pursue this vice, unfortunately for LPM, he is so mired in it, that the former got to his head first before he could fathom the implications; Poor chap, even without that, he couldn’t shy away from what the populace were clamouring, becoz @ the time he was treading thin ice, he needed the people behind him after the farce of an election, rather an installation.
what was going on in FTJ’s mind when he “installed”LPM?? I must admit at first i thought this whole corruption thing was a game…..now it seems real!!! If it is’nt a game, then FTJ did us all a favour and i for one have FEW problems with LPM.Can you imagine if the likes of Cobra were handed the hot seat…..even this blog wouldn’t exist.PF have yet to hold elections….why???
#124 mubs – Are u the only Jew who doesnt know that LPM got that name from his look alike namesake actor from NO ONE BUT YOU Mexican soap opera which was showing on ZNBC some 5 or so years ago.
#126,Bauze you are very right about this chap HK, he needs to go for national service to shake him up.LPM has not achieved anything, and must not be praised in anyway.He assumed power on a corrupt bench , today there are so many nullifications of his MPs why?because of corruption.I fail to understand Chuchu’s legitimacy and dignity.If I were him I would have resigned over the way he behaved during Kashiwa bulaya saga.For a man who is principled all these must ring a sound in his big head.Its either dimentia or amnesia has gotten to his top that he rarely remembers anything.Dr Simon Miti is busy sending his relatives abroad for special medical facilities that is why he is untouchable in the irregulaties in his ministry.Its a shame to selectively pursue one man at the expense of development and in the end only the Nchito brothers and DLA piper will hav benefited when in Kasama the hospital has no panadol,gloves etc
The London Judgement has been registered in the High Court of Zambia by the AG. This is according to the latest reports from ZNBC. By implication of this, the provisions of the judgement will take effect against ka fupi. I hope they don’t include ba Regina Mwanza as part of the assets to be seized since as we all know, she was acquired on a public platform using public funds and state transport. At least let them spare his major source of comfort after Bashikulu ba Kobra dumped him.
I would like to join the pro-London judgement fellas on this forum like HK to congratulate the AG for this achievement within time. So let the eviction begin right now. The Ka fupi doesn’t deserve to be in the same hood as the KK and them.
London Judgement has been registered by the AG of
# 39 Don`t generalize pliz stick 2 facts every person
should be accountable 4 their actions
No amount of political engineering is gonna get Fred out of this one!!Amazingly the AG has moved swiftly and we now get to watch poor Fred squirm!!Maybe now he will be encouraged to unravel the matrix for us,if only to save himself!!I’m sure we would welcome FTJ as a State Witness!!Many would agree, without the involvement of Smith & Co we would be nowhere near a conclusion of this saga.LPM did offer amnesty and he was never taken seriously…..now the long arm of the law will visit these criminals.Next step is to give more power to the Auditor General and the Public Accounts Committees.If this is done we can look forward to discussing the rampant misuse of public funds as well as commenting on how severe the punishments meted out should be.I don’t always agree with LPM and the current MMD, but they have handled the FTJ theft case rather well.
#AM
Every gentile (Since we are not Jews) knows that Levy’s posture is as a result of a terrible car accident. He is not emarrassed about it and does not hide.
Now your pygmy boss FTJ has a congenital deformity of shortness.He is so embarrased about this that he has to have specially made platform shoes.In order to soothe his ego, he consorts with women double his size, I guess this makes him feel like a real man
# 129 KUKU yours is a case of sour grapes.
Do not talk about the current situation at KASAMA hospital under Levy. Have you forgotten so soon how your pygmy boss FTJ fired Doctors who were demostrating for working tools and medicines for thier patients. All this was happening when he was busy buying monogrammed underpants and platform shoes at Busile boutique for one million dollars in Belgium
Ba Citizen(133)& AM,let us not stoop so low as to bring such talk into an otherwise respectable forum.
#135 Pundit
I hear you, accept my apologies
Accepted Ba Citizen(136),this is evidence of self regulation among bloggers.If only that band of thieves we had prior to LPM could have exercised the same spirit when it came to public funds.It is so embarrasing when foreigners ask us to explain how we allowed such unabated plunder of our meagre resources.Would i be wrong in assuming we Zambians will never again allow this to happen ??
#137 I feel sorry for you, have you tried to ask yourself why LPM’s bank account balances were published in the tabloids and did you see the monies he has amassed in 6 years?Filiukutuleya I would like this man to go beyond 2011 so that he must thumb printed as being irrelevant not what he is speculating himself he is not sure but this come true after 2011.Elo imwe ba Citizen mine is not sour grapes its a reality we have spent so much chasing one man whilst other areas needing immediate attention have completely been ignored.Today some one in one of the papers is saying Zambia scouts $500,000 for immunisation are you sure we have sane govt in place?Ala ba Citizen ichibemba citila cisosa cipa amano impeleniko amano if your LPM and his Chituwo understand the use of a budget.We have turned begging into an idealogy.
Bauze, Kuku and Pundit, thanks for you comment, as they confirm that you are getting the effect of LPM’s fight. You thought it was a joke.hahahahahaha.
Zambia scouts for $550,000
The Zambian government needs $550,000 to carry out a nation-wide measles campaign this year, targeting 200 million children.
Health Minister, Brian Chituwo, says Zambia has contributed $182,255 towards the campaign.
Dr. Chituwo said other major co-operating partners, such UNICEF and the World Health Organisation (WHO) have also contributed to the campaign.
The Minister was speaking in the Zambian capital, Lusaka, Tuesday at a Measles Partners Advocacy meeting.
Dr. Chituwo said Zambia has taken the measles immunisation drive to ensure all children under five years are vaccinated against the disease.
He has urged the business community and other well wishers to support the campaign against measles.
And WHO country representative, Dr. Stella Anyangwe said the world should not let children die of measles when this can be prevented through vaccination.
And UNICEF Deputy director Elspeth Erickson called for integration of the measles vaccination exercise into the education curriculum.
This is neocolonialism at it’s best. No matter what arguement you bring forward it wont help anyone in Zambia particularly.
Why should we depend on that briton. Even if what he is talking about is true i would not take him serious because he has established a very vindictive attitude which makes me suspicious.
If Zambians don’t workup we shall continue to experience the same things over and over again.
FTJ was president of this country and he handed over power to LPM without problems.
LPM is still struggling with poverty and we havent made any progress in lifting the lives of our citizens. A good example is the university problems that continue to ravage the country. Every don is poor and you want proffessionals to come back to the country which only gives good incentives to the politicians. We actually make the politicians become small gods. They are not accountable to the electorate. INSTEAD they become masters when they are suppose to be servants. Forgive and move forward.
Kamudala kanaba(FTJ) No doubt & we can only move forward if the ka man z made to account for his injustice to the zambian pipo
Maybe i don’t understand this whole issue, does it mean Chiluba was staying in his own house all this time? If so, wasn’t he entiltled to a government house after leaving office or he to stay in his until the government builds one for him. Counsels, where are you? What does the current law provide for the housing of the former prsident? Guide us. The other thing is that i do not seem to raelly understand how sata is not part of this plunder coz he know him for a close ally to Chiluba during those days when this plunder was taking place. How clever is this sata or is true to say he was not involved? Sorry to Sata’s supporters, i’am just thinking loudly.
HK#139, tunnel vision is ever so comforting, didn’t expect you would deviate from your comfort zone. The is however one thing going for you, i.e. we will soon bring you round to have a bit more peripheral vision, take you by the hand to help you lose your meekness, & take a few more steps in this brave new world, so keep up your dedication to this blogg!
I have nothing bad to say about Chiluba. He gave me K10,000 when he visited the University Teaching Hospital where I was admitted.
Kuku140# I have seen you put this news on all topics why dont ask the report who wrote this its his mistake not Chituwo.I listen to his speech he never mentioned 200 million kids. Remember its libel case to make funny of someone even me. If you are find guilty u can go in for days. You know very well that Zambia has 10 Million people of which about 2 500 000 are kids. We must try to be serious I have liked some of your contributions but sometime you go out of track why? you are alway praising a thief and what benefits did you get from this. When all people are mourning and sad look a way that FTJ agrees to his tats there you go making sentiments which are misleading. Wise leader of your caribre would think twice when contributing to this blog.
I feel very sad when I see people insulting and passing all those an called for comments about our sick former president. Let us analyse the situation and ask our selves this questions. How did Levy come into power? were did he get the money for his compaign? and lastly Jesus asked us that if anyone of you has not sinned, not sinned at all should condem this man. Let us not even think of hanging Chiluba his blood will be on this country, by hanging I mean if he dies today it will be as good as hanging him becoz all of us know that this man is sick. heart problem is a very seroius disease. Dont be so hard hearted. think again, meditate and ask for gods guidance in this matter.
Ba Jackie(147),it is sad that FTJ is unwell but remember that, at State expense, he is getting the best treatment available.Please appreciate the efforts made to keep him alive.you asked where did LPM get the money for the campaign…..it was not up to levy to find the money but the reponsibility of the party fielding him!!!We are not hard hearted, we have thought again, we have asked for Gods guidance and his answer has been…….Let FTJ take responsibility for his actions including any punishment our courts feel will act as a deterrent to future leaders.
Its good to know that people are reading this colume. you have not answered my last question. Can anyone lift up the hands and confess in the name of Jesus that they have not sinned at all.
#149, your question is very academic, if you’ve read the bible, you’ll find you’re not eligible to be asking that question!!
Revenge is not for us but Gods. Who are we to hang FTJ for the wrongs he has not even been given chance to exculpate himselve. Please dont take it personal, I dont personally know FJT on a personal note but just has our former president.
MUBS DOES IT SUPRISE THAT FTJ HAS BECOME THE SUBJECT OF NEWS,ITS PLAIN AND I DONT EXPECT YOU TO SUPRISED THE MAN DEFRAUDED THE STATE OF ALOT OF MONEY,IF YOU ARE NOT AFFECTED YOUR GRANDMOTHER IN SHANG’OMBO IS AFFECTED.FTJ IS HITTING HEADLINES ON NEWS BECAUSE OF WHAT HE DID,THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW EVERY ACTION TAKEN ON THE CRIMINAL.PLIZ LET THE LAW VISIT HIM DEAD OR ALIVE.