THE Lusaka High Court has granted an order for application to register the London high court judgment in which second Republican president, Frederick Chiluba, and 19 others were found liable to conspiracy to defraud the Government of Zambia. This was in a case in which London high court Judge, Peter Smith, ordered Dr Chiluba, former Zambia Security Intelligence Services (ZSIS) director-general Xavier Chungu, Congolese businessman Raphael Soriano, former ministry of Finance permanent secretary Stella Chibanda and Access Financial Services (AFS) directors Aaron Chungu and Faustin Kabwe, among others ,to pay 85 per cent of what they allegedly misappropriated. Attorney General Mumba Malila applied to register the London high court of Justice Chancery division in the Lusaka High Court foreign judgment register yesterday. Times Judge-in-charge, Esau Chulu later allocated the matter to Judge Japhet Banda. Mr Justice Banda granted the order in chambers and further ordered that any application to set aside the registration should be within seven days from the date of order while execution on the judgment would not be issued until the expiration of seven days. “Upon hearing counsel for the applicant and upon reading the affidavit for one Mumba Malila filed herein, it is ordered that leave to register the judgment be and is hereby granted,†ordered Mr Justice Banda. And when asked if Dr Chiluba had been served with the London court ruling to surrender his Kabulonga house, his spokesperson, Emmanuel Mwamba, said the issue was now a subject of the Lusaka High Court process and the law should take its course. Mr Mwamba advised all parties to desist from making such comments, as it would be contemptuous to do so.
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Chiluba go and burn in hell. You are a thief
Let us move swiftly and waste no time.
Let us move in one accord and show chiluba that we are not happy with the way he reigned over the affairs of this country.
Let us Crucify him!!!
what you have done ku kamdala is worse than that done the worst dictators of this time. Even wanting to grab his wife too. Mwana akalakwa sikuti mu mpayiletu. There is multitudes of people who benefited from chiluba’s mischief. All those brown envelopes the churches got must be returned. The famous Ndola pastors. Mpezeni, ha, what did i say. All those who bought houses cheaply must return them to the GRZ. Those were proceeds of corruption. Look around yourselves, especially #2 Born Rich, if you really are born rich, and you did not get the Nchekeleko.
#3. Truestory
Bring out the evidence that the Ndola Pastors and Mpezeni got brown envelopes. The ACC need such ‘Data’. You can rest be assured that the powers that be will do something about it!!! Just make sure that it is overwelming evidence which will seek public pressure and support.
No problem our ftj will ressurect after this did u c the new story from north western province a dead woman ressurects after 4 year being dead. The problem is she cannot talk. See times of zambia or Zamnet front page.
Fellow contributors, remember Parliament had approved the infamous “slush fund” and the presidency was at liberty to choose who to give.These gifts were immoral but not illegal!!!I’m sure the records of who received what is lying in some archive.FTJ didn’t need to hide this, our Parliament approved it.The “powers that be” mentioned by Born Rich(4)will not be able to do anything about the “brown envelopes” whose source was this slush fund!!Mpezeni,churches and certain individuals have nothing to fear.FTJ was quite clever wasn’t he ?? (but obviously not clever enough)
#3Truestory mwaiche do you really know what proceeds of corruption are.Did chiluba obtain those houses corruptly for himself or other individials.The houses could have just been used to induce people to vote him back into office but they are not proceeds of corruption,thus the can not be forfeited to the state.#3Truestory its not right for anyone to get kickbacks(nchekeleko)for this amounts to corruption,i say this becoz you have questioned Born Rich to say if he has never got a bribe,this may insinuate that you get bribes.However lets proceed and get what belongs to us from FTJ AND HIS FELLOW CONVICTS.NO MERCY WHATEVER HE OBTAINED FRAUDULENTLY SHOULD BE FORFEITED TO THE STATE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
#5 Iwe Easy wilasabaila, ulimulwe wangulu. Do you need casting out, ask Pastors Pule for help.
#5. Atleast, by the time he resurrects he would have learnt that “Stealing is bad and is Not allowed in society”.
The issue of having “mercy” or “forgiving” chiluba does not arise. Why? Beacause he did not do anything wrong. Atleast as far as He is concerned!!
Therefore, we must swiftly proceed and nail him to the Fig Tree where he met Mazoka (MHSRIP) a few years ago!!!
The law shall take its course just as Emannuel Mwamba says,for those that are crying saying a lot benefited from Chiluba,please JUST WAIT,as this PRECEDENCE has been SET.Like a saying goes UNLESS ALL THE WATER PASSSES UNDER THE BRIDGE ONLY CAN YOU RELAX.As for now its like their is heavy rains in the mountains and the streams are full and dont look like they gona dry soon.So all those that are wet,will need to start drying their coffers and probably selling their assets and join us here.
But fellow pundits, should he surely return regina kuli ba Mwanza also? They are claiming ati she was acquired/enticed using public resources. At least let us spare him his wife as we evict him from Kabulonga to Ndola.
No mercy though. he has to pay it all. Let the Law move swiftly and have him visited and evicted asap. We need to move on as a pipo and focus our energies elsewhere!
Ba Joze by the way,tell ba lusaka times ama portraits yabafyashi benu(chiluba) tayali pa standard,looks like KA MUDALA KALI STRESSED,wHY CANT THEy PUT AMA PICTURES THAT ARE ASSURING THE SUPPOTERS THAT ALL IS FINE.Otherwise the rest bala crosser congo.
Alabane bonse mwebalibala ukwabula inshila indemilomba ati tekeni utusanga mumenso.The case has been registered and we have been given Seven days to defend our selves.Hell will break loose,the data that will be presented to the court will shake all of you.Others will suffer second strokes and will be on first flights back to London.Where we are now is a point of no return.Twalafilila munsenga.Ululumbi lwamulanda kukakata.Born Rich mwaice pamo nomunobe HK tamulekula bwino.Easy mwaice ulefwaikwa ulubatisho lwaku mulilo.Universal church pa Kafue round about yalisuka paba bashokoshoko abatamfya ifibanda so twala kupangila appointment.Watch the space for developments.LPM will dumb founded in the unfolding developments.
#14 KUKU
Chiluba ta shinshikila……
We know Chiluba very well, if he had anything to reveal which would have worked in his favour and defence he would not hesitate to use it.
Those who thought the Judgement won’t be registered and enforced in Zambia will be the ones to suffer strokes.
My only worry is Chiluba’s weak heart. Can he withstand what is coming……Jail sentence
Ba KUKU ZE BIGGER,NINSHI MUDALA UKUFUMA OUT SO LOUD PALUBANSA,ARE YOU ONE OF THE GUYS THAT WAS ORGANISING BA-KEEMBA AND DANCING TROUP ILYO BA-KATEKA TABALA-LANDIN”GA KU MA CAMPAIGN OF THE LIKES OF….cant remember his name ..(former kitwe MP,he owns buses and was Goliath s freind)
Let him challenge the registration so that we hear the much publicized ‘spilling of beans’. So far he is at his lowest, pants down.
Perhaps Mr Mwanza could also try his luck and grab back his wife at this low point.
#16 gk mwaice wandi mu life ku ba tight with what you believe in,that is what we call principles.Abroad people stick to their parties, teams etc if you are arsenal the whole family will be arsenal.I have never benefited anything out of FTJ’s rule or envelopes like LPM did becoz by the time he took over power I was already a kaponya and playing the right cards.I just have a soft spot for this man, despite his misdemeanors he was a mature politician,good public speaker just like Tony Blair,he is a great person, principled and above all respected all people from different walks of life.Throughout his rule he never responded to hear says like LPM does even when Bikoloni and Difikoti put up stupid comments LPM will respond ni cimuntu cabwanji ici?The way I love FTJ is the way I love Sarcozy,madiba principled persons.Being prinicpled is key in public life.Above all my concern has been the way a past President has been handled.I guess its being done for a purpose who knows?
Iwe Ka Kuku you need Chainama so that they give you backet to draw without cover under to see if you are insane. I know will be drawing water at 12 oclock because you are not normal. We would have not gone this far if Tembo was not killed a day before he was to spill the beans. If yo steal and you caught my dear brother you are liable of punishment this is what is happening to FTJ. How do you forgive a man who is supported to be a role model to society stealing even someones wife. Actuall FTJ should talk so that all who are involved in this Saga the law should visit them. Most of them it will be express case. Takwaba ati iyo nindwala take me to UTH like your Dr. Bulaya. Its paying and imprisonment sentences including Kalumba Katele. VJ will survive because he is smart and CIA. Even the former IG of Police must be found and be tried.
Yes, we are now at no return point and this is good for all zambian citizens,we are happy to see justice working.just imagine FTJ`S son the so called castro the way he behaved in his father`s error? surely chiluba is getting what he deserves.the man is so ruthless,just remember how many people died misteriously in his time, to name a few: B.Nkumbula,Penza etc.
Maybe the Guy is a satanist, maybe he is the founder of Universal ch…..
…………… FTJ go to hell…with your suits….together with your purchased wife..
#19 Mwaice easy finshi wacilya pa lunch?Wacilya intombolya ne mpundu finshi ulesabaila you seem to contradict yourself in your comments.Some you are in hurry to argue slow down mwaice wandi speed kills.Atleast Im impressed you remember the prognosis for schizophrenia and confirmation of treatment.Well done mwaice continue taking that medicine its good for you.Tembo and Penza its their crookdeness that cost their life.They wanted to be eating with both hands, so Easy mwaice dont be a follower of Tembo we dont want to lose you in a similar way just be straight in your dealings.But that aside, Iam proceeding to arrange for your baptism this also helped Levy after he quit that cult.This time it will be you and KK since FTJ destroyed his David Temple (now celtel)with those crooks from India.We want to continue the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation
FTJ’s story reminds me of the tale about the race between a tortoise and a hare – those of you that once read the nyanja book, I guess at primary School, may recall a small story book entitled ‘Kalulu ndi Nyama Zinzace’. That book has a lot of wise sayings indeed. I would advise my bemba brothers to translate that book for FTJ and please sell it as widely as possible because if FTJ had read one or two stories from there, he may have learnt one thing – What goes round comes round. Never take ‘power’ for granted because people own the power and you just serve them.
In all fairness, it is true that Regina was acquired using public funds. For how long did they know each other and never had a relationship until plot 1 beaconed. If Vera wanted to be spiteful, she could actually use this judgement to create problems for Regina and Chiluba. But, may be Vera is smarter than that and just wants to let the fool eat his humble pie in disgrace. ‘Political engineer’, my foot! An engineer who does not know that any engineering discipline builds and not destroys. The fool does not even know the difference between arts aand science, hence his use of terms that don’t make sense.
As for sending Chiluba to jail – I honestly don’t think it is worth anything, just grab the looted funds and he will send himself to the grave in no time. Sending him to jail will just cost Zambians more money for nothing.
Can someone else re-declare Zambia a CHRISTIAN NATION. Of course not Pule. He seem to be corrupt like FTJ. They both divorced their original wives and went for flesh blood.
#21, stop horrifying us with you crude analysis. You mean tembo and Penza deserved to be murdered simply because they opposed chilubas greed. Surely do you see some sense in that…..
Before ‘we’ celebrate, it is likely that kafupi will now challenge this decision in Zambian courts (not London). We all know how he has manipulated the Zambian courts system thus far.
Now that the London judgement has been registered in Zambia,gentlemen let’s brace ourselves again for court adjournments because chiluba’s lawyers are throwing in their appeal.Now the question is,Who is fooling who?As a tru zambian I feel there is something we are not seeing as Zambians.Discuss on the blog with brains.Let’s hope for a better Zambia.
#14. Kuku
At first all of you guys who are supporting chiluba used to say the London Judgement will not go anywhere because of “technicalities” when registering it.
Now that it has been registered you have started saying we must wait for 7 days….. blur blur blur.
We told you that Truth will catch up with chiluba. The wheels of justice may grind slowly, But they will surely grind FTJ until what has to be done is done.
So KUKU, brace yourselve up for some hard times with your uncle Chiluba. VIVA Justice VIVA. Abash Ubuchenjeshi ABash!!!
I see, BA KUKU# 18,but that does not mean your believes,principles and liking of your certain individuals should hinder other people to comment negatively or positively on those people.Popularity does not make one right or does demonising make one guilty.I should ask you to lay facts and help esculpate your hero from those misdemenours wrong doings,did you forget about FELONY ?But trully speaking you highlighted principles, I dont feel I admire Chiluba as eloquent as he might seem to be.Because at the time he was coming in power, I was totally against and as young as I was,but was only convinced after my school mates explained the economical benefits as suggested by MMD at the time.I did not support chiluba but kept my fingers crossed hoping things would be far much better than KK.But to reality upto now,the majority can be witness,the economy under chiluba(filtered down to the people)was so horrible that zambia saw the middle class destroyed and majority poor class created.
#27, it might be semantics,but its NOT an ‘appeal’, they will have to ‘Challenge’ the registration. So its not the merit of the judgement at test, instead its the validity.
quoting from the book of “rufqua” only a fool will rejoice when a friend is facing fake trial set up by criminal judges using criminal law, law of oppression, end of quote. who are these fools? they can been by their patches on their bums and these are ci gk,easy,hey,lumpa eves (from mukondla square),ipod, ci citizen and born rich. imwe baice mulifiwelewele elo namano tayapaka and i think these chaps banwa ink ya-faint pen and scared ukwenda mu rain pantu bakaba dissolved.
imwe ba shetani bamupamba, listen carefully ba kapwepwe atile ati “umulandu ngawapita pa-style namukulubula kupita pa-style” te? you wait and see as we are in stoppage time how CHUCHU BP will start boiling. ala naipwila impashi pamakasa and FTJ told me at mwaice JOZE nomba nicibe cibe, pauch for pauch, spite for spite, icikolala pa cikolala,and finally kufilila musenga.
and by the way BA KUKU,this is not personal,look at the comments on the blog against and for chiluba,does it entail that the suppoters for chiluba are so broke that they cant afford to visit the net.Looks like you are the only one.I feel pain to see you alone on Kafupis issues,but you see my request let justice be done and may the hour find peace in the wants of the people as he did not oppose the when they wanted him to be their leader.If LPM is witch hunting Chiluba,the people wont allow it,or else their willbr riots in the country,BUT THATS A DREAM.
Its appalling how #21,has no regard for human life at all. it appears for all those who opposed Chiluba and were shot, he simply dismisses them as having had double dealings. its sad….Is that Christianity, really?
#31. Ba Joze
Please do not ever go to visit FTJ again. You might be nabbed together with the man. This is the beginning of the end for you uncle Kafupi Mpundu Chiluba Kabolala!!!
OH SORRY BA KUKU i had forgotten BA ICHUMBU MUNSHOLOLWA BA Dr.JOZE BUMS .#31
Zambia is woderful country and deserves leaders that would serve it with honour and dignity.If it`s proven that FTJ stole anything from the public coffers then he should return every single cent.I am so uncomfortable with the way LPM has handled this whole saga because it has destroyed the confidence in our Judicial system.LPM being a lawyer should have been in the forefront in making sure that our Justice system was strengthened in order for them to carry out such complicated cases.I just wonder though what kind of coincidence the registration of the London judgement has with the most important stage our country has reached in terms of adopting our Constitution through the CA.I hope Zambians will be able to separate these issues because these Demagogues are doing this on purpose to distract us from fully focussing on the CA.
Jose #31, obviously NOT all beleive in the book of ‘rufqua’, and what is it by the way? And even if all people did, I for one, I am NOT FTJs friend, so that rule wouldn’t apply.
Does rufqua believe that the UK justice system is criminal, you might be using a perverted measure to diagnose fools. Your tools are foolish, hence the expected results are as you said. Conversely, I am certain the system finds you ‘Normal’
#32 yaba, kuti nemimbulu nishi nabo bwaca and opening the mouth WIDE open to let out scopions, ipefu, spiders, naba mungwingwi. iye mwaice walisamwa…ibwelemo and be humble. during ba FTJ tenure takwali ama promisary notes na ma-kuponi ya mweo (ubunga). the burry made each and every zedian to reliase that there is no free lunch in the world and not even “nefya pambale”.so pipo started tamanga-tamanga and that removed laziness te? so ci gk give thanks thanks and praises to the one and true leader Zed has produced.
Ba Joze 31# why did the police give you bail to come back in this blog and start misleading the nation. Born Rich good tell Ba Joze to help his get sacks of Millions of Kwacha like Saddam Heissen who hiding in a pitra hole with 800 000 US dollar. The law is on the corridor very soon it will enter the bedroom. Hope this is chance for Mr. Mwanza to sue for eloquence. Is Fedrick Chibula still alive please takin this man for using your qaulification we know you were once a manage in a company in Eastern province. The law should also visit Vicent Malambo for misleading the nation the Identity case of Fredrick Titus Mpondu Chiluba Nkonde. This man who refused his father you can see now how the devil has been following you. He has helped you to be come his follower. Laywer Malambo you got two house from FTJ ati my lord Iam for the sheep what a shame- Lima akaaba Jesu.
Ba Joze 31# why did the police give you bail to come back in this blog and start misleading the nation. Born Rich good tell Ba Joze to help his get sacks of Millions of Kwacha like Saddam Heissen who hiding in a pitra hole with 800 000 US dollar. The law is on the corridor very soon it will enter the bedroom. Hope this is chance for Mr. Mwanza to sue for eloquence. Is Fedrick Chibula still alive please take this man for using your qaulification we know you were once a manage in a company in Eastern province. The law should also visit Vicent Malambo for misleading the nation the Identity case of Fredrick Titus Mpondu Chiluba Nkonde. This man who refused his father you can see now how the devil has been following you. He has helped you to be come his follower. Laywer Malambo you got two house from FTJ ati my lord Iam for the sheep what a shame- Lima akaaba Jesu.
#gk mwaice this subject has alot of complexities.Firstly the person being demonised has never been accorded a fair play from Parliament lifting his immunity to final nail by Smith.The facts Levy used are all centred on the ‘Oath’ Zamtroop account is under oath.Secondly this whole saga was predetermined and no stone was left unturned just o see this man crash to his knees.The cases that be were 169 and eventually reduced to 23 and now to 2, have you seen the fizzy part of it?I have never desputed that FTJ messed but its the way we chose to try a former President which is a problem.LPM is a man of double standards upto now he has not published Sokoni’s letter why?All these are just stock piling for his bitter exit in 2011.The fact that this is now a precedent,LPM is so jittery that he has caught himself in the web hence his dilly darling about the constitution.Once you destroy the Office of the President the political playing field remain in suspense.
Ba Chapi(36),you said “if its’ proven” that FTJ stole!!May i ask what more proof are we expecting? We have a judgement,registered in our courts now and seven days given for FTJ’s lawyers to challenge the “validity” of it!!!(the lawyers will make a few pennies in the process!!!)LPM now has a platform to reform the judicial system given its obvious inability to render FTJ and co a speedy trial.The Constitution and the CA wrangle will not go away. What is happening to FTJ has nothing to do with it and debate will continue.As we continue to focus on FTJ let us see with what speed our judicial system handles the case.
#36 chapi, sir thank you for your comments, indeed zambia does need credible leaders no doubt, nau lasa apo pena.But chapi, all your comments on this blog are negative to our government, this is not the first time i have read your comments,do you have a personal vendetta with levy? , dude looking at the current situation this is probably the best he can do, and not to mention it could be done a little more efficient,you need to look beyond your box,i certainly agree with you when you say Lpm is screwing up on the way to adopt the constitution,but on the issue of getting back money chiluba stole,no man you need to change and look at how far this guy has come in somethings and how much he will end up getting that back to the zambian.Like i said in my earlier comments on you posting levy has his own flaws, right now our focus is on chiluba ,wether he (chiluba) is your relation or not we at this time dont have sympathy until we get it all and help aleviate poverty that chiluba created.
#gk you see the hate that people on this blog have exhibited is the temperament obtaining in our country which is not healthy.In countries where peace has been misplaced is not that they wish for it but circumstances exist that cause those.My fellow sympathisers for FTJ some are just tired of this thing , we can only wish it comes to conclusion so that we look at how many of us Kaponyas will die from contaminated ARVs through cancer.You see gk I would like to hear what Sangwa and Simeza strategy is going to be.It was a fight of 2 lawyers with the rest of lawyers and Am sure they have a part to play in this mess.Its good to see justice prevail but what does this leave us a nation? Hate ,hurt, ridicule,unforgiving, embarrassment,…….?
#36 Chapi those are good points.
#37 am feel sorry that you are the only lost soul who has not come across “rufqua book” and you can try to read “Celestine prophet” to expand you “kanongobility”, plz am saying they are the same.
the book of Rufqua is not restricted to any race, religion, colour or creed. its full of wisdom, and once you read you wont be same again. am not talkking about john grasham or syden sholden.
i quess that book will measure your stupidity level.
Ba Kuku, I have being busy ukupundila bus wakuya Kashikishi shaciyamo namu internet cafe pa inters. I have seen that you are being attacked right and centre, but bakamba thanks for being so bold and ukuchifya fimwansa kabinga ifi fishetani fya mupamba ifya bula ubuyo. Iwe ci #31 Born Rich,ukafwa ne nsoka shiletoloka mukanwa kobe ishowamina together with your fellow Satanist ci gk. Iwe ci gk leave Ba Kuku alone, he is our future president, at least is interligent than Chuchu chabendama akanwa. Bro Kuku stand firm dont be shaken these satanist. Mailo bakamba kaya na bus yaku Mongu ukaya pangako utumapesa.
Che, Pundit, Born rich, Mwabalasa ma pigimizi. let the challenge fail. Let the one that stole – the thief-and tandem o thieves – pay heavily. We cannot wait to see our men and women in uniform surround his house to evict him. Remember how he sent hundreds of paras to Kalundu one xmas day in ’97?
#45 Ba Jose welcome back, ico mulendapo Hey Cikopo tachisoma bible cisoma fye Dongo na Sundu.
#43 CHE.How can you agree with all the points I raised and disagree at the same time.Here in the USA,they refer to such people as Flip Flops.
#46 AM nacishiba ati ulebaza, kabili ifwe yalikosa, ingataubazile ninshi ethopia kwingila pa nganda.Ala Ci Citizen futi umutima naupilibuka bushe umweshi taulawa AM? Bonse aba niba mutasha fili kumasaya.AM ukucipeleko route imo iya kuli tuta ku mansa limbi kuti caumfwako bwino lelo naine nshile ku ma order nalibaza sana mailo.Ba Joze ama ARVS nayakwata cancer please talk to Gordon Brown he is more humane nangu ayicita expire mukese nayo pantu twalafwa
Ba Joze na ba Kuku or iNkoko too bad ka mudali bazakagwila. The era is over and we are really rejoicing. We gonna slaughter a buffalo to celebrate. We have applied for a licence from zawa for two buffalos, one for this weekend in Kapiri and the other one for a mother of all braaiis in Lusaka on the eviction day. We can’t wait for the day our men and women in uniform would surround his house in Kabulonga. Remember one xmas day in ’97 at kalundu house of ba KK when hundereds of paras were unleashed under the command of the late Emmanuel Lukonde and ba ndlovu?
#51 iwe chi Lumpa ine indi ‘KUKU mukwai’ not inkoko ulichikopo sana that is why waponene grade 9.You could not solve a system of equations by elimination or substitution.Buffalo ingaukayilya ukalwala rabies nakulapisha.Walepa kumwenu ukushaba corruption ku Katete.Tawaishiba ati ifwe twakulila muli corruption.Ask the farm Manager wa ku Teka farms.As Am writing the bull dozers from Zambia Army and National Service are busy uprooting trees for extension of winter maize farming.
Chapi #49 get me right i only agree with you on one point which is the process of adopting the constituition,i strongly disagree with your opposition to whatever you say negatively on the way the chiluba cases have been handled.Hope you got that right now.Its dishartening to note we still have people like you who would sympathetic to criminals.To make clarity with all due respect to you nothing in me says am a flip flopa.Learn to be positive,and give criticisim only when its necessary,applaud the govt when it does right things.
#53 CHE.I take very strong exception to your comments that accuse me of being sympathetic to criminals.Let`s try to put our emotions in check because history will judge us badly.I totally support this fight against corruption and applaud LPM for this effort but were we differ is his selective approach.If you expect me to follow along and not be objective then you looking at a wrong person.LPM has an opportunity to make this right and adopt the constitution by the CA and then we`ll see this fight taking root in our nation.Few years ago you people were heaping praise on FTJ and those objective individuals were reffered to as ANTI this and ANTI that,but time usually has a way of honouring people with such a mindset.
Chapi # 54.No emotions are being exhibited here mr.chapi,but just sentiments motivated by the way you’ve taken your aproach on these issues.If levy has had a selective way of prosecuting these guys then he is wrong,impupu ni mpupu ba chapi wesu,wether done in a selective way or not,last week on this blog i wrote to you saying levy will be judged accordingly when his time comes as for now lets concentrate on the issue at hand.I do not know why you keep on bringing up this issue of the costitution,cause i have mentioned to you in my earlier writtings that i strongly disagree with LPM’ aproach,meaning the CA would be the best aproach,I beleieve you are an interlect and you will understand that the current constitutional crusade has nothing to do whatsoever with chiluba’ and his minions cases.
#51 lumpa, you remnant of ALICE LESHINA. your real name is EVES MWANDAMA LUMPA, you flopped in 2nd year pa ngombe hostels (unza), you are suffering from CHIPUPUTU (fits). so mwaice keep quiet before i exponse your skeleton from your wardrope and DONT SAY anything on ba FTJ.
Kuku and AM good job paku ci contain ishi mbifi shi shetani shabula respect makamak ci easy, gk,HK na ci citizen. Kuku, ala nakawala ewa-geta bondi(house) yaku Downing, manje she is nowhere to be traced.
Iwe ci hey walidiga sana ukusoma sport ya news paper te? elo nama “hear say”. wake up mwaice and become real sitwaye(humanist).
Am so impressed with kuku and Jose. These gentlemen have resolved to die with FTJ( like bibilical peter). Bravo kuku, bravo Jose. Am sure you guys even dread to hear the slogan ‘ zero tolerance to corruption’. You seem not see anything wrong with stealing. with you the end always justifies the means.
#57 mala msana wanzili,its not that we have ignored the fact that FTJ misappropriated the Zamtroop, our stance is on the application of justice which we dont want to recur to anyone occupying the highest office of the land.You saw how those believed in Milosvec did,the held a funeral without a body.Its normal to stand by what you best believe in, Not the Simon Peter who denied Jesus just because he saw the crude punishment the Lord was undergoing.Pain must be shared.There is no glory without passion.
#57 mala msana wandalama,
A Philosopher is there to contradict other philosophers, and thats what Kuku and Ba Joze are doing or are.
Quote: “Everyone thinks of changing the world,But no one thinks of changing himself.”
#57 iwe ci msana cabula style read #31. your friend hey is now a changed person after reading #31.
#58 i beg to differ with you on the legal aspect of the all mix. Kuku, who’re you trying to full, you and i know that FTJ was given time and resources to defend himself but he refused. You would remember that money was spent to buy and instal the video link for one FTJ to represent himself in the comfort of his own house, he refused. I may even dare say that, he’s the most pampered criminal in the history of Zambia.
#61 mala msana wanzili why do have to force me to believe in what does not give me peace?I always said FTJ’s case was predetermined that is why he refused to be tried by a foreign judge.This is now history I dont want to argue over this we have had enough.Believe in what is best for you and you will be at peace.You are free to call him anything there is nothing wrong with that.In french they say -C’est la vie.
#62 now i respect what you believe in, may peace be with you.
#59 Kayata this should amuse you with mala msana wanzili
“It is not how much you do, but how much love you put in the doing.”
That is us (BaJoze,AM,Chapi and myself)
Rumour has it that FTJ z lookin 4 a 2 bedroomed flat in ndola 4 rent.He has jst realised that the London judgement z not a joke.
#64 Kuku, that concept explains why European footballers play football for the love and not the much..
No wonder the Litana’s,etc have failed to make it in international football.
Anyway Kuku and your conglomerate(ie AM,BJ,Chapi),true, it is the life, but what happened BaJoze failed to convince Jose(Chelsea) about joining that club.
What hapened to the “how?”
We want Zambian export in there,not the Mbesuma kicking bola to the people.
Ba Joze or ba joza just shut up your beak ’cause you know nothing about me. Was never at your ng’ombe or cow whatever you call it. The ka Fupi need to be taught a lesson. Viva LPM Viva Zedi!
Hey this party is good. Never had one since last year towards the polls on ZOL. We had Pips like Bwembya, Bwana, etc. Well let me take this opportunity to invite all those fellas as we countdown to 2011. Some Westerners want a Lozi for 2011 – any comments? Who be the president in 2011?
The next President should be a Zambian at least we can close the gap created by this foreigner ruler from Katanga Province. We Zambians we are one Lozi carry Tonga blood, Bembas have Nyanja fluids. Who are west to choose who should rule Zambia its not there duty. Be carefuö Zambians we are trading towards divisions. Dont accept this nonsense come 2011 we should a Zambian president who is a true son of Zambia.
#55 CHE.It`s so unfortunate that you seem to think that my comments are negative against govt or LPM instead of percieving them to be developmental and objective.I wish to remind you what I `ve already stated before that FTJ should be accountable for any public funds he allegedely misappropriated.I don`t know how best I can state this for you to get it.I `m driven by the passion and love for my country and that`s why I`ve gone a bit further in ensuring that this problem is dealt with.This is now were you separate the personal issues from the genuine fight against corruption.Allow govt instruments such as the ACC to carry out their duties without EXECUTIVE interfferance.My comments are really targeted to those fellow Zambians that want this evil dealt with and not political cadres.We can save alot time and resources if we avoid this from happening unlike your approach that we`ll need to go after LPM when his term elapses.We need to be PROACTIVE and not REACTIVE.Refer to the ACHIVES.
#68 i really do not understand why westerners always want to ferment unneccesary tribal debates. Most of them have complexes. Difficult to understand.
#71, I hope you will say the same nga ni awemba afuna plotu wanu.
#72 laughable, when did bembas ever congregate to talk about such nonsense.
#72 iwe ukamba vichani? Ndiwe utangwanyika uoona munga tuli ku Mkaika kwameni mudya mbeba?Fimanso monga mugolegole.Selelauko wikesa wampenya.
#73 mwaice Mala msana wanzili caku east ici chi 72 cilefwaya job
Zeka Zee…If HH did not hijak UPND Saki would be president today. Its too early to tell who is going to be Presida. Look at the political dynamics. Before Andy died Sata failed to capture the minds of most people in Lusaka. If Saki was president and HH his vice, Southren, Western and part of NWP would have gone to UPND. Lusaka would be the battle groung with PF sharing the city limits with UPND while MMD taking chongwe for obvious reasons. PF would scooped NP,LP and CB. With less negative publicity on UPND EP could have been for grabs , factoring in the alliance between UPND and FDD. Answering your question about a lozi being president, well they lost a golden opportunity in 2006. Like i said its too early to tell. Much of which depends on who MMD chooses to replace LPM. If for instance they choose a bemba in the name of Capt Chewe. He will cut tremendously into PF’s stronghold while at the same time loosing traction in Central and NWP. If they choose Ronnie, chances are they …..
will maintain CP. EP and WP will be up for grabs which might go HH’s way. But its too early we dont know who is running and who might die God for bid, but thats life.
Keep the debate hot USA is busy talking about who will be next president for the first so early. We should start accessing these people now so that we know who give our nation coffers. I wouldnt want Sata to be president because he has dictator manners sometimes. He After he already said Zambia should start looking for young blood to replace the old guards-a sign of resignation. Saki is an opportunist if he had stayed in UDA maybe the results would have been different. Plot 1 needs a person with ideas and a vision not a thief. Person who will be a servant of the people aho put him authority. Its alarming the late at which corruption has rupted out nation. How can someone be get K47 million Kwacha yet was not formerly appointed. Abuse of power ZNTB Tutemba temba now the truth is there.
sage are you studying polical science in bulgaria? just asking, you seem to be well stuffed. good analysis dude.
There seems to be so many judges in the ftj saga.
#78 Sage, if your analysis is anything to go by, how very sad for Zambia. This means we have stagnated these past 43yrs – that our mentality is still very much pre-independence, seemingly not knowing much beyond the perimeters of our villages – what a wasted epoch!
I would like to believe zambia has made some strides of which we should be proud of, that of intergration of tribes, we have learnt to inter-marry, we have learnt to see beyond simple languages, hence the “musonda Bandas’, Nawa Phiris’, etc, etc.. We all know the types that try to stirr up this subject – the cheap politicians that really have nothing to offer, hence try to whip up some fervour & pretend that it is some just cause, to redress the lack of development in certain regions – when infact the root cause of such under development has been to poor planning & short sightedness, compounded by limited resources. What we need are politicians who not just talk, but have a vision that encapsulates us & moves us forward!