THE London High Court of justice chancery division will tomorrow pass another judgment in the case in which the Attorney General of Zambia is challenging the misappropriation of public funds by Second Republican president, Frederick Chiluba, and 19 others.
Dr Chiluba, former ministry of Finance permanent secretary, Stella Chibanda, former Zambia Consolidated Copper Mines (ZCCM) chairman, Francis Kaunda and Access Financial Services directors, Aaron Chungu and Faustin Kabwe were found liable to conspiracy to defraud the Government of Zambia and the court ordered them to pay 85 per cent of what was alleged to have been misappropriated.
Others were former Zambia Security Intelligence Services (ZSIS) director, Xavier Chungu, Congolese businessman, Raphael Soriano, former Zambian ambassador to the United States of America, Attan Shansonga and London-based lawyers, Meer Care and Desai.
Dr Chiluba, Mr Kabwe, Mr Chungu and Ms Chibanda have since applied to set aside the London judgment in the Lusaka High Court after the Attorney General applied that it be registered.
According to a letter dated June 22 this year by DLA Piper, who are the lawyers representing the Attorney General in London and addressed to Mr Kabwe and copied to Dr Chiluba, Ms Chibanda, Mr Chungu and Mr Kaunda, the court would deliver judgment regarding recoveries, interest and costs in the matter at 11:00 hours Zambian time.
“We write to inform you that judgment regarding recoveries, interest and costs in the above matter will be handed down on Friday, June 29, 2007 at 10 am in the United Kingdom (11 am in Zambia). As with trial, you will be able to participate via video link in the Zambian High Court.
“The handing down of the judgment will be conducted in public pursuant to the directions of Justice Peter Smith.
“We also enclose again a copy of our letter to the court regarding Dr Chiluba’s request for access to the transcripts of the trial, and the courts response,†reads the letter.
In the scheduled hearing of the registration of the judgment, Lusaka High Court Judge Japhet Banda yesterday adjourned the matter to July 9 for hearing.
Mr Justice Banda adjourned the matter after chief State advocate, Dominic Sichinga, applied to do so.
In his application, Mr Sichinga submitted that the State was desirous to consolidate its position in the matter so that submissions to be made to the court would be helpful in arriving at a fair and just conclusion for the parties involved.
He told the court that the adjournment was not intended to prejudice the respondents’ case as the matter was of public interest and that the State had heard the anxieties of the respondents through their affidavits.
Lawyers representing the respondents did not object to the application for an adjournment .
Meanwhile, the Attorney General, Mumba Malila, has asked the court to dismiss Dr Chiluba’s application to set aside the registration of the London High Court judgment.
In his affidavit in opposition to the application, Mr Malila claimed that most allegations made by Dr Chiluba not to register the London judgment were baseless and irrelevant to issues in court, as they had accepted that the English Court and Court of Appeals had jurisdiction to hear and determine the claims made against them by the Attorney General.
Mr Malila indicated that the position adopted by Dr Chiluba and others in their summons to court were inconsistent with their earlier position, and complained that they had failed to disclose full and accurate account of the London High Court proceedings to Mr Justice Banda.
He maintained that most issues raised by Dr Chiluba could not be relied upon as grounds to set aside the registration of the London High Court judgment and dismissed, as irrelevant, allegations that the proceedings were political and not legal and that the outcome of the judgment was pre-determined.
Mr Malila further stated that Dr Chiluba did not explain the basis upon which he said the London High Court judgment was not a judgment to which the Foreign Judgments Act of Zambia applied and that its registration was a contravention of the Act.
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I am confused here, what is going on now. May better informed colleagues please simplify the contents of this article.
Things fall apart for FTJ? It’ll be interesting to see what dimension the final judgment takes 2moro. Smith is obviously a bad pain in the side to these guys.
11 hours Zambia time the police should surround Kafupis house so that he can start paying. Mwabona nomba the Chitoba I told you not to support the wrong side, so what are going to tell the children ku Nganda. The man is guilty from his bedroom to his velander, hair to toes no space left. This is a result of being a conman and not respecting rule of law.Yesterday I said FTJ is not our man anymore he is in the hands of the roman soldiers hardly is good friday the lamb is being handed over the sentences by Pontius Pilate. The bible say in Mathews 25 a man who tries to save his soul will lose it. Dont exsort yourself because you will be brought down. Pundit, SAGE, kuku, HK; Hey our has been hand back to from King Herodus. I hear pipo chanting we want KAKA because FTJ is not guilty but the former finance Minister Mr.Dr. PhD. Katele Kalumba. At 11 FTJ saying saying “father if its your will let it be done, for Iam a sinner”
#1, I think this has to do with giving effect to the ultimatum in the original judgment. FTJ and others were directed to restitute 85% of what they stole. They didn’t oblige, so Smith will be courting them 2moro for the consequences of not doing that. Not sure though about the implication on the judgment, granted that the trio are challenging it following its registration in Zambian courts.
Pundit1# The london judgement is valid and it has been passed because it involves british nationals. One can say what they want the whitemans court will not reserve the judgement. The deliberations in Zambian court are just formalities. Our judiciary was not to quick and now you see how embarrassing it. Moreover we Zambia is donor funded so we are stuck my brother. I hope our judges have learnt a lesson that sitting on a case for so long is not good unless they want to be dismissed from their jobs. Look in Paksitan the chief justice is on a blick of being imprisoned because of not enforcing the laws himself. I hope our judiciary workers are back to for work because we need then they also need the money to feed their children. Pundit the world has changed we have to copy up with time we cannot live like in colonial times.The world is too risk.
The problems is this case has exceed public interest it has dimension of worldwide interest. The EU, USA, G8 name them all they are talking of good governance so expect that such case disposed as expected from the masses. In this case 85% paying back.
The whole thing is unstoppable. Those PF cadres calling themselve MP stage managing futile battles against the zambian standing on justice are politically committing sucuide. They have opted go with sata in the political gallows without a conscious. Chiluba is in big trouble and Frank Saviuor Chungu in sight has to utilised his prisoner’s dilemma wisely to mitigate his quagmire. Any gambling with the resolved Mwanawasa Boma of patriots will summarily finish him.The poor Chungu should use his skills to prove resourceful to avoid his worst senario end at the hands of his comrades.
There are no two ways about this. Chiluba was legally misled by Sangwa and Simeza who have played cool on his way to calvary. Charles Taylor just fired his misleasing attorney which Chiluba missed big time. He has had a chance for a dignified compromise which has been missed. Mwanawasa is a seasoned attorney at law who knows criminals’ mindset. He also has the intruments of powers to use the existing law.
the saga continues
We will see wat that old childish man with his PF(Problems Forward) stoogies r goin to say,armagedon z near 4 sure
Slow but sure it is coming to an end!!!
Ba #9 Wanzelu, On this point Sata has to been giving a credit KAKA should not be allowed to continue riding the white horse he must be brought down and follow his uncle FTJ. Its only in Zambia where people with criminal records or trial can continue holding office. The other day MR. CGS man was telling the public MMD is not clean of thugs its a club that everyone is free to join. No we Zambians we are saying no KAKA should be extinguished of his fire and ambitions of becoming Zambian president the way we have done to Sata. Why does this law only apply to indivduals people are lands ministry have been fired because of committing same offences but here is someone who is in court and and judgement has been made and passed but he still holds office at party level.
You Can fool SOME people SOME of the time but, Can not fool ALL the people ALL the time.
Ba Old Munshumfwa nishi naimwe, Africa liberate Zimbabwe or they dont want us see unite what they want to see is keep on killin one another. Dont be like Paul Ngosi who went to london and saying nanga nishani how the iyi Bus yakwala muzake or when he was asked how famous is your Music he answered ” not only in Africa but also in Kenya, Zambia, Tanzania, South africa” We are talking of Kaka. Are going to manage to remove him?
there is not much to contribute here apart from a saying to remind us all that, ” all that may be done in the dark……is soon revealed in the light !!!”
12# Old Munshumfwa nishi. Africa liberate Zimbabwe or they dont want us to see us unite, all what they want to see is keep us killing one another.Kaka must go
Brought to his Knees,
Problem is donor’s fund part of the budget and they do so for a simple cause…Right to a normal life, then some people misappropiate it.
The donor’s too,it’s their countries taxpayer’s money and they do not pick money as african’s believe
kafupi should pay back what he and his culprits shared
amongst there familys.They should be hanged because they are malignant and sadists.let them spend there cruked lives in mkobeko.
Yangu, Kafupi eeee!! Pulobulemu after pulobulemu.
“Chiluba is a Thief”
This tag has brougt kafuti alot of pulobulems.
unfortunately for our poor former president, it is a perfect description of a man who stole with impunity and without remorse.
kamudaala ka Kafupi kakafwa na “NO” pakanwa. yaba!!
I am looking forward to the outcome of all this episode.
Nkataboy#20, We should not be devated from the real issue of the constitution. Remember there is a problem maybe KAKA owns this Lusakatimes thats when he seems that he is being pressed down he bring something else to attract us. Kaili ati he has a booknote with a mirror where he can see all activities. Remember FTJ is a no longer our man but Katele is our monitors. This a wrong character to lead us. Please ba PLM why u are keeping this man he will dent your legacy soon.
I hope it won’t end on chiluba and the 19 others only. A lot of zambians benefited from Chiluba’s legacy. Plots were allocated illegaly. Council and government houses were sold for a song. Some senior civil servants acquired wealth much beyond what they used to earn. All these issues should investigated in depth so that all the beneficiaries of plundered citizens’ resources face the wrath of the law.
I remember Ba shi TITO saying,we should respect and adhere to the rule of law .Even goin’ up to saying”no one is above the law”
OOOPS,now am in a state of stuper,convulsion,confusion and coma.
I don’t understand what he meant by that time,and what’s happening now.
I will just go on repeating BA SHI TITO’S verse,,,Democracy,,,,,No one is above the law,the law take its ….as long as no biases of a kind are taking place.
We are tired of reading about those scandles please bana ba Mulimu.
Let the issue go away,away by the wind.
Hi Easy! We have great plans on how we are going to use our money once we get it. We want to pump into our 5 year national development plan. No more thugs in state house. As for Kafupi, I’ve prepared nice gallows at Mukobeko for your and your fellow thugs for crimes against humanity.
Mukazinkhalako nachifundo emwe banthu. This Chiluba man is already finished.Lets just pray for his final moments as justice settles it all for the thousands of innocent lost souls.Laughing him in his predicament is not the honorable thing to do.Even Sata Judas has rejected him at hour of reckoning. Our prayers could lift his soul to sincere reflection than the flatter he received when sponsoring PF futile attempt to find a shielding regime.Tough luck God has his way.
Patron #25, chifundo ngati munthu abvomela ati anaba, Yes. manje ka FTJ kakali kukana so apa kufunika squeezing mpaka abvomele…
Ba Patron, Whys should you pity someone who doesnt pity himself. Look I will tell you one thing, What Chiluba did when he was in power is not beyond deeds of men. Many other people given an opportunity would have done the same if not worse.
What we expect FTJ to do is to simply say he admitts he was wrong and seek forgiveness.
That way it will be easier for him. Zambians do forgive if you admitt your guilt. What most of us are frustrated about is his blutant denial of his wrong doings when everyone and everything points to the fact that he did steal.
You see, we feel insulted when he does this. Its like he is insulting our judgement.
Does anyone know any details about Kasama MP, saviour Chishimba? Is he a medical doctor?
I am only asking because he seems to have put himself in the Post’s soup. He does NOT appear to have the slightest of legal knowlegde. He talks carelessly really, debatably Doctor like.
The kinds of FTJ are persons who can denial even if you caught him on top of your wife in the act of committing adultery.You can get the most expensiive camera to take photos to prove your allegation beyond doubt he will he still say no I did not sleep with your wife. I have never seen such an Kasipiningele who can not admit his wrong doings. Hi #Gluco24 that man should partly be invested in the stiff laws which will scare would be criminals from committing the same atrocities. I think time I will be linient with FTJ because he has spent much under house arrest. I will give a job as shopkeeper in that company he was buying his high heel shoes in Switzerland. The other amount should be invested in the street kids who lost there parents during Kafupis tenure of office. Mind you Gluco this is a civil case it doesnt amount for Mukobeko unless we judge him of the mistrious death that occured during his reign. He was in control of th state apparatus. I dont know how good is the FTJ…
ctd.. Institute I would túrn it in a university. Since I want be minister of Labour in 2011 I will now start a concept which will benefit youth pipo after finishing school. I wont review now because I want to know who am I when this take cause. Partly of the money especially from Faustan Kabwe I will build a hospital and name it under his name. The rest of the projects I will advise as time goes by.
#28. Hey
This Chishimba guy is in hot soup. I could not imagine someone in his right frame of mind could play with those words he was using on TV.
Anyway, that is typical of PF cardres. They live by the laws of the Jungle. What they do not realise is that they are living in a civilized society, not a Jungle along the Amazon river.
Shame on you, Dr Chishimba.
What do you expect from Luapula thugs before camera?Have ever found any decent person genuinely excelling from Luapula?
Am kindly asking the editor of lusakatimes to bring up the topic on those PF MPs led by one Dr Chishimba.
So this Lusaka times is really owned by the Family Tree? Now what with post minions also joining the new Deal, where are we going to air our views. Its good Chiluba is getting his dues; Mwanawasa and M’member (What a name) will get theirs too, some day, oneday
Chishimba is in hot soup. This is total, proper libel compared to the HH against Chiluba.At least for HH, there was a Judgement supporting his statement.
Dr Chishimba went to the public Media and slundered the president and the post with serious allegations.
The post will take him to court so that he can prove that they are corrupt and Anti-christ
Zambia is a ‘Christian Nation’ the accusation of being anti-Christ is a serious allegation which can cost your life, your Elections, your business and your family and public ridicule.
I am sure SATA is very dissapointed with Chishimba because SATA knows what libel, slunder can do to you and yours. Sata has raised a lot of capital from suing on these basis, and could be a best consultant to Chishiamba on his expected loses.
Mmembe/Post sue this guy and when you win donate the money to Charity ventures.
Kuku what has happened things are twisting on this blog. Now another man called Dr. Chishimba and PF cadre have surfaced. Can you shed more light I seem to be behind. What is libel, defamation, slunder case against the post. What is this anti-christ. I fear God and I have respect for human life what has happened. Paparazzi, Anonymus any crew about this issue. My source have gone on leave so I can not get first hand information.
#36 Easy
Dr. Chishimba is a PF Kasama Central MP who has accused LPM and M’membe of corruption.
He has further accused M’membe of being an Anti-Christ. According to him, LPM and membe have personal vendettas against chiluba. He said he doesnt read the Post because M’membe is an anti-christ.
Dr. Chishimba was appearing on a MUVI TV morning program on tuesday (if not monday)
MUVU TV has since appologised to LPM and M’membe and have dissaciated itself from Dr. Chishimbas remarks.
#37 is my comment NOT EasyE
Sorry for the mix-up
#36 Easy
Dr. Chishimba is a PF Kasama Central MP who has accused LPM and M’membe of corruption.
He has further accused M’membe of being an Anti-Christ. According to him, LPM and membe have personal vendettas against chiluba. He said he doesnt read the Post because M’membe is an anti-christ.
Dr. Chishimba was appearing on a MUVI TV morning program on tuesday (if not monday)
MUVU TV has since appologised to LPM and M’membe and have dissaciated itself from Dr. Chishimbas remarks.
Dr. Chishimba was particularly not happy with the posts editorial in which they said Chief mwatakazembe is supporting chiluba because bali muchekelako!!!
I get what you say friend Easy. For sure criminal cases are still pending in our courts. What about our 5 year national development plan? This is where we’ll build modern universities, schools, hospitals, recreation parks. I have a problem with capitalism. I feel we cannot develop our nation in capitalism. It’s all about who has money. It’s the capitalist of course. So we have to be looking at these guys to come and invest. what about us?
Politicians are alot like nappies(Matebela) and they should be changed frequently. FTJ pissed in the wrong pool he has been sold out. Remember Mobutu of Zaire, Saddam of Iraq the list could go all of these leaders were once the friends of the West and as long as they were doing everthing in the interest of the West they could seat and enjoy. What am trying to say is that there is no politician that I know of in the whole wide world who really does things for the people. Ask yourself this,why is it that every new politician that whants to be voted comes with a bundle of promises and he never really fullfills neither of them. It’s because each politician comes in with an agenda and it’s got nothing to do the the people,please look around you from Zed to the USA. For me POLITICIANS are”lots of small blood sucking insects” sucking the the life off the earth.
IT’S TIME FOR A WORLD WIDE REVOLUTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello Ba Zambia you seem to know what you are talking about. Keep investigating. FTJ is in a mess!!! Bamuchita!!! This should be a lesson to all you Zambian politicians especially those of you that misuse public funds. Chenjelani.
#32 iwe ci KONSWE, dont generalise pipo of Liver Pool (PL)weshiluwe, you tribalist wamupamba. Just attack the person you want that’s all.If chuchu is an *****, oh yes it’s true he is an *****, I can’t not generalise that all Solis are bad.
#7 Paparazzi,your mind is polluted with the practise of “copy and passte” and your thinking leaves a lot QUESTIONS to the esteem bloggers. Mwaice be humble and respect elders makamaka ba FTJ.
#24 Glucose, stop building white castles. Oh yes, that’s the effect of too much coke… tepapa nomba
cakutwala mukusabaila.OR may be ningulu te?
#19 born rich, if bashi tito bakafwa na NO,it means “NO ala bafyengafye” Nomba iwe inkaba YES, meaning “yes I deserve ukufwa” te?
The Book of RUFQUA page 666 state that “the antichrist will bear the mark 666 on their fore heads and will spread in all four corners of the earth preaching forgiveness and love BUT they will opposite”. iwe ka easy #36 dont be devil’s advocate.
40# Gluco no we are going not wait for the monies in court we are starting now writing concepts and implementation start is 2011. he next 3 years we have to prepare ourselves. From the look of things our 5 years national darling plans will have capital because the government will lender us the money we making in terms of profit now from the mines, We just sold Zimbabwe maize in tones. So very soon the deficit will be closed and we can talk of debt as a thing of the past. My only worry is something international insigated by IMF/World Bank the so called Balance of Payments animals. Have you ever heard about this animal. It all was formed in July 1944 in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, in the northeastern United States and 44 countries were present.Countries that joined the IMF between 1945 and 1971 agreed to keep their exchange rates (the value of their currencies in terms of the U.S. dollar and, in the case of the United States, the value of the U.S. dollar in terms of gold.
43# Ba Joze how is Mfuwe? Pipo asked about you. Yesterday you missed look at the other topic in Sata. It was a hot I was sweating. Nomba kalamba I can we forgive FTJ when he is not accepting his wrongdoing. I have been ask even composing songs for this old man to help him out of this mess. But beena tabalefwa it seems ba Simeza and Sangwa have mislead him so much by giving hope the he will come out clean. You tomorrow M15 is implementing his judgement. How can we help I was thinking Kalumba Katele help out the old man by sharing the burden. Now we have another man committing libel but this time not from chibula crones but from Garrys Farm. There are so many problems to attend to kuit mwaya shani kuma Holiday BIG. Come back we need you.
I say Amen to #22 RN Pretoria.
It is about time some of the other fish are hung out to dry. “Aint no mountain high enough” sooner or later justice will reign supreme and the wealth of our country will be shared more equitably.
Bushe indukis (money) ba shi miko bababepesha kuli chuchu ati balivieta ngababwesha kuti shalengu your parse to be thick te? Mwembulwe mano, the answer is NO. So just work harder and make your own money and not ukulolesha pa parse yama guys (umunobe) nokupepelela ati “chosa indukis”. You see you pipo,those coupons yamweo (ubunga) mwapokele muli KK yalimulenga kuba lazy chaps, always waiting for handouts and nomba you are waiting FTJ ati babweshe indukis thinking ati indukis shikesa mu wallet yenu te? Just do tamanga tamanga and work for your money and stop looking at someone’s wallet. Meanwhile am on my way to Malawi mukushita ma curios. Kuko, nikwata another katemba pa Northmed akama curios.
Concerned 46# Dont worry when we come into power next year we shall not gramble the house but they start paying levy. It is only Chiluba who stole we are get the house tomorrow. #22 justice is being done beacuse slow responsible Zambians are starting holding office. Slow but sure we shall see snow in africa for the first time.
Cyber, Titus na chawalaboy where are baice bandi? Come and remove #48 Easy on the Blog, his nose is all over the show and his comments MAELELE yekayeka. Amoka kwati alinua sana amaelele. These are the chaps abasha umulilo nokugetapo icishi. Mwaice Easy go pa commercial break? Do you sleep? OR are you having a heat of an owl?
Ba FTJ bakaele. The only mistake he made was to hand picked chuchu, pantu chuchu alemoneka kwati ni fuzi, kashi in double sward umubi sana sana and no one understand him not even Maureen, MAY BE CIFIRE.
Cyber, Titus na chawalaboy where are baice bandi? Come and remove #48 Easy on the Blog, his nose is all over the show and his comments MAELELE yekayeka. Amoneka kwati alinua sana amaelele. These are the chaps abasha umulilo nokugetapo incushi. Mwaice Easy go pa commercial break? Do you sleep? OR are you having a heart of an owl?
Ba FTJ bakaele. The only mistake he made was to hand picked chuchu, pantu chuchu alemoneka kwati ni fuzi, kashi in double sward umubi sana sana and no one understand him not even Maureen, MAY BE CIFIRE.
Okay Ba Joze, baleke because otherwise chiyengi.com will visit me. Fantastic where I got sleep I programme my pc to answer your questions. I know I advanced more than Katele Kalumba. I will be relaxing whilst my pc answer your question. I want to hear your comments over the topics. You have missed out. Kuku I have made research you joint this page in January and the first topic you took part was on Marriage. The other old guy are Bauze, Born Rich. Born Rich Gluco is ask about the our 5 yrs Development national Plan. What you got to say. I will going for swiming I will back in any hours time.
#45 Easy, let the punishment come from God. Read the Book of Psalms. Let the will of God be done not your will. Love your enemy as love yourself and above all love, faith and trust can move a mountain.
Comic Ba Joze, sorry for your man Kafupi. He just has to pay back. Few drops of water make up an ocean. We need all those drops from FTJ to make up 1 big economy. Even your trip to Malawi will be better one with a lot of dignity. Look at the way we kneel to muzungu. It is because they come from big economies. Joze we need in you in the next govt. Dont be like a tick that clings on to a dead animal like FTJ.
The British are so happy with Mwanawasa. Mwanawasa will do anythinng that will make him look good in the eyes of the British. They do not just help you nail you former president for nothing. They have an agenda and we are just too stupid to go with what ever they say even if it does not make sense. The whole london judgement is beyond stupidity but everyone seems to be cheering just because it is from London. Mwanawasa wants to finish Chiluba but he does not realise that as soon as he leaves office the same people will go after him. We think if the London courts say it and if Membe reports it with his spin then it’s gospel truth. The difference between Chiluba and Mwanawasa is that Mwanawasa does a better job of stealing than Chiluba did, he does a good job of it. As soon as he is out of office we are going after him, we will reduce him to Zero, I mean that is the way politics are done in Africa, shame on us.
Police quiz Blair again in honours probe
Reuters – Thursday, June 28 01:26 pmLONDON (Reuters) – Former Prime Minister Tony Blair has been questioned for a third time by London detectives investigating allegations of illegal political party funding, news media said on Thursday.
A spokesman for Blair, 54, who stepped down on Wednesday and will take up a role as Middle East peace envoy, would neither confirm nor deny the reports.
A police spokesman said they were not prepared to discuss the matter.
Since March last year, detectives have been investigating whether political parties nominated people for state honours that come with seats in the House of Lords, in return for cash.
He has been questioned twice before as a witness, the first serving prime minister to be quizzed in a criminal investigation.
Prosecutors are considering whether charges should be brought against any individuals involved in the probe, which cast a shadow over the final months of Blair’s premiership.
Detectives also investigated whether members of Blair’s inner circle sought to conceal evidence from police.
Two close Blair aides are among three people who remain on police bail and both are under suspicion of taking part in a cover-up. All those questioned in the probe deny any wrongdoing.
As he left office, it was announced that Blair would represent the Quartet of international powers — the United States, United Nations, European Union and Russia — in efforts to negotiate peace in the Middle East.
Ba Chenda Musonda( 54) Muliba Chinangwa MMD will reign even after 2011 and sanity has come to stay which Levy has installed in leadership. No tribal fool with a spirit of unfounded hatred or mission to punish the patriotic and brave like Levy will ever reign. Keep fooling yourselves.
Mulekwata umuchinshi bane, ba FTJ balilandile ati (Quote)..The Zamtrop account in London has existed since 1963. To adapt to security requirements, the account has over the years changed its form and character. Zamtrop is not a new account, its only the name that change, it’s the intelligence account, it could have either been called intelligence account or by any other name, the operations are strictly for the intelligence.
This account was there since 1963, many of the liberation wars, around us were assisted from this account. Does this government expect me to disclose our financial and material role in the peace process in Angola? Peace process in Congo?
I am reluctant to do so. I am reluctant and I need not to go any further to protect our country. The account was regulated by the 1970 Financial Charter, which was created by my predecessor, this charter is the privy of the Republican President, the director general of intelligence and the auditor general. It is highly regrettable that this document was shown to foreigners. What is left of our intelligence system after these actions? I know that even judge Smith and his colleagues have not seen the charter regulating the British intelligence, the MI5 and MI6.
This careless handling of national affairs in the quest to destroy a few individuals has exposed the Zambian intelligence to ridicule. It is this careless approach to national affairs that this government has destroyed the lives of many loyal, highly trained civil servants and professionals who have had their lives needlessly ruined. I am sure posterity will prove me right.
In my view, judge Smith cannot determine for Zambia what is security operations or not. He cannot ascertain that expenditures made by the intelligence were not legitimate. To show how this money was spent is to dwell on internal operations of the intelligence. The Zamtrop account has done and been used for a lot of good for this country.
That account has hidden nothing, any money spent by Chiluba from their was money that came from other sources and not government money. And the accounts can prove it at the bank, the auditors, Coopers as I have said and the Bank of Zambia itself, they all agreed that there was a surplus. Now if you have a surplus of 9 million and assuming you have misused other people’s money amounting to three million.
Is it not only reasonable, natural and wise that somebody is not running an overdraft account…if he has nine million how does he steal three million? If you are telling me that there was a dificit of three million and then Chiluba took out nine million ooh.. he is liable. I know I can’t remember the subject maybe its algebra where you can deduct a bigger figure from a small one and there is a minus answer. But in this case if you have nine million and take away three surely I leave that matter to our lawyers to work on.
But all the three audits that were carried out proved there was money in that account. And to suggest it was that account therefore, ni ng’ombe shakwa musanga it was all government money its not fair, its unattainable. Let me say that combart operations are meant to be secret and are guarded operations. There are many people who the state pays or reward financially or materially but whose details should remain anonymous. It will be irresponsible for me to disclose names and details of intelligence operations during 1995 to 2002.
As for 2moro nothing, nothing will change. Nothing will be effected. And we can talk about it tommorrow. Chuchu alefolesha fye abanakwe ndukis!!!
“Zambians will know the truth about this matter when I am afforded an appropriate opportunity to explain in a Zambian court where my constitutional protection and obligations lie. The legal and technical details of this case will be handled by the lawyers and courts. I will therefore not refer to them.”
#56 Paparazzi kanshi niwe shushu wakwa Levy? Ala napapa sana.Since you are MMD tell us about the ZCID’s objectives.Is it just dialoguing or there is more to it?Buying time to confuse the masses or fraudlent actions being designed to screw the cosntititution?Shade some light mwaice Paparazzi icalo calakumfwa
Kuku#60, have your read 57# I think this is Xvaier Chungu pantu 5 years is over of being under oath. We are just waiting let him testify as he is saying he has forgotten that in Zambia we still have death sentence we will be first one to be hanged. Where was he all these years. The govt has spend millions paying judge Smith & co. to bring these culprits to book. He should talk about the liberation movement for southern African countries this was done in good faith today our neigbors are living in peace. This Chiwala boy is trying to implicate KK so that Ka Chiluba will not sink alone. Come Zambians are waiting Chiwala boy we shall nail you at Kaleni Hills in Mwinilunga. Why bringing Intelligence issues here and endangering the nation. If you are tired of living go and hang or jump in the victoria falls, then you be no more. You making the whole topic boworring where were you all these years.
Ba Kuku(60),yours in that post is total rubbish not worth challenging. The knowledge and the truth will set you free. Ignorance is very dangerous to one’s place in society. When i talk of something or i say one is a failure, i can substantiate to your the dismay.When say say one is ABC, you should be able to substantiate to detail. Failure to do so confirms your ignorance and irrelevance.I speak about issues basing on strong prevailing and sticking circumstances. Take it or leave it,no opposition party brings a national political appeal to Zambians that cuts across regions rather than tribal agenda.Tell me which party on the scene do you consider would single handedly beat the ruling MMD in a competitive race. mind you in a plural system its the one with leading votes that carries the mantle to power its not a package of compromise votes after the die is cast. Even 1 vote has made regime carry the day in democracies.Its a known taboo to think of any marriage of convenience btw partys
Ba Kuku(60),yours in that post is total rubbish not worth challenging.Knowledge and truth will set you free. Ignorance is very dangerous to one’s place in society. When i talk of something or i say one is a failure, i can substantiate with details to your dismay.When you say one is ABC, you should be able to substantiate to details. Failure to do so confirms your ignorance and irrelevance.I speak about issues basing on strong prevailing and sticking circumstances. Take it or leave it,no opposition party brings a national political appeal to Zambians that cuts across regions rather than tribal agenda.Tell me which party on the scene do you consider would single handedly beat the ruling MMD in a competitive race. mind you in a plural system its the one with leading votes that carries the mantle to power its not a package of compromise votes after the die is cast. Even 1 vote has made regime carry the day in democracies.Its a known taboo to think of any marriage of convenience btw partys
# 57..! the era for the liberation of southern africa is long gone? what intelligence issues are you talking about? chiluba and his thugs used this account to steal from the zambian people! our security is still the same as it was before the exposure of the zamtrop account! chungu was busy misappropriating millions of dollars in the name of security that we do not need. we actually need the security to safe guard our resources from our own greedy politician like chiluba! don’t give us the crap about national security! when people are dying of hunger, going without HIV meds and yet chiluba and his thugs were busy buying gold chains! go to hell with your intelligence issues! if you benefited from the account just keep quite,enjoy your loot and let justice previal. I am so disgusted with you!
Tonga Bull very good your much valid and make sense I hope this Kacepa will read this understand that people are not happy. Not any time in the Chibula era did I heard a single word about HIV. Some of we have lost friends, relatives, schoolmates who have contributed to the development of the country. An advise to Zambian over HIV be careful this another weapon like wars to weakness certain societies. Its a man made virus with a clear objectives. Did you watch the discuss last year in USA over HIV and pharms companies. Its bitter pil to swallow. These are feasibilities stdudies of enemies to meet them on their weak points in order to defeat them. If HIV was just a illness like any other from God why is very prevalent on certain areas.
Hey Chiwala boys. I think you must be Chungu or the dribbler as Easy has pointed out. We don’t want to waste time discussing about the Zamtroop account. The fact is that you guys misused the account. It is folly for anyone to put personal money in that account. And where was this so called personal money coming from anyway? I guess these were donated monies to GRZ not to a thug like FTJ. FTJ, Xavier should be hanged for defrauding Zambians.
#63 Mwaice Paparazzi tell me what is causing these nullifications of MMD MP’s currently? Is it a mistake or something somewhere is not right?And are those the tools you are trying to impress upon that no party will ever dislodge MMD?You are living in the past.Stop halucinating and face real challenges.You can not rubbish Mwansa Pintu’s article he has put up facts better than your weird analyses which are hollow.But again you are entitled to your opinion,You see when you put up a contribution in the way you did, you obviously wanted other people to understand your feelings otherwise you should not have done so because you never put up that article.Stop being childish like Mpombo or Mlongoti grow up and face real life mwaice.
#63 Mwaice Paparrazi naya mukucita research on ZCID, I will give you facts tomorrow not copy and paste.I will give your the objectives of ZCID,the parameters under which it was founded and its relevance in the constitution process.But I want you to tell me why there are so many parliamentary nullifications when in real sense the party enjoys massive popularity?
Today guys in 6 hrs and 35 minutes judgement will be passed and I hope this will bring sanity to our politics. My wish and prayer is KAKA should hang up his boots as ZCID chairperson. If doesnt then the police should be called in, incase no act is then the GI must resign. It is his duty as head of police to see that they is law and order in Zambia. Obdience is not only about catching thieves or robbers, interrogatting people like Katele Kalumba is part of the responsibilities.
Naya mukulala but b4 I go I will make my last comment responding to57#. Real if you have six senses giving money to there former chief justice, Helen Chibula, by Chiluba you call it Intelligence operations. I wonder in which world you are living in as for me I will term you as an allien who has lost sight and reality, you are long gone corpse which stop many years to breath. Oku kwine balekuchunga here you wont find room and you are not welcome. Next time you open your elongated maddibles please choose the words to use carefully. My pc take charge go and rest.
KK owes Barclays K 104 million
FORMER President, Kenneth Kaunda, owes Barclays Bank K 104 million that he obtained as a loan.
Barclays Bank Compliance manager James Kalambata submitted yesterday that neither Dr Kaunda nor the United National Independence Party (UNIP) had money in the bank.
This is in a case in which lawyers from law firms, among them Central Chambers, Andrea Masiye and Company, Dove Chambers, Lukona Chambers and Mvunga and Associates, are owed legal fees amounting to US$ 645,526.26 by Dr Kaunda and UNIP.
Mr Kalambata submitted that as at May 2007, Dr Kaunda owed the bank K104, 644,700.
In an affidavit in opposition to the application for Garnishee order absolute, Mr Kalambata said the order ought not to have been made absolute to the bank.
He however said following the order, he made a search for any account held by Dr Kaunda and UNIP.
Mr Kalambata said he only came across a prestige plus account in the name of the former President.
He said the account was holding a debt balance of a loan that was advanced by the bank to Dr Kaunda.
“There is no money now held which can be applied to the judgement creditors (lawyers) in satisfaction of the said judgement debt as ordered by the Garnishee Order Nisi,â€Mr Kalambata said.
He also said the order was defective as it did not state the account numbers with Barclays Bank that the lawyer sought to attach.
Mr Kalambata further said the order was defective in that it attempted to order that all the debts of Dr Kaunda and UNIP be attached to answer the judgement without considering whether the two defendants owed Barclays Bank.
“It is prayed that the order against the second Garnishee should on the aforesaid grounds be set aside for irregularities or in the alternative should not be made absolute,†Mr Kalambata said.
The companies include Zambia National Commercial Bank, Standard Chartered Bank, Stanbic Bank, Indo-Zambia Bank and Investments Bank.
Others are Zambia National Holdings Limited, United Quarries Limited and Dora Tamane School.
But Dr Kaunda has maintained that the lawyers volunteered to defend him and UNIP.
According to an affidavit in support of summons for account inquiry, Dr Kaunda said the question of legal fees for the lawyers was a subject of discussion at a number of central committee meetings of the party since 1996.
Dr Kaunda said a report by the then UNIP secretary general Sebastian Zulu made at the 31st Ordinary Council meeting of the party held in Kabwe in September 1996, stated that about 18 lawyers volunteered to defend him and the party.
He said Ms Mwangala Zaloumis, one of the plaintiffs, confirmed that a group of lawyers representing him were offering free legal services and that they were acting for him on pro-bono basis (free).
Dr Kaunda said it was an understanding between the defendants and the plaintiffs that although the services were offered pro-bono, there was need for him and UNIP to assist the lawyers with travel, accommodation, documentation and incidental expenses.
The legal fees accrued when the lawyers represented Dr Kaunda in cases that included the misprision of treason, which attracted a fee of US$171,726.25, citizenship case with a fee of US$150,000, and the Black Mamba case at a feet of US$90,475.
Other cases in which they represented Dr Kaunda are the Kabwe assassination attempt and the illegal assembly that attracted a fee of US$45,825 and the 1996 presidential petition case.
[Daily Mail]
Yes is an anti christ. That is why he also homsexual. He does’nt beleive in God or Jesus. Go and ask him. Why do Zambians have so much fear for that criminal. Dop you know where the money for funding that anti-christ post coes from? It is a pity that this OP project, Lusaka times is confusing people.Muvi TV had to apologise because they fear for theie licence. The family tree may revoke it. Mmembe himself is on record saying he is atheist together with that dead man Simpson who used to insult God under the name Mercuito in the post. So, an atheist is someone who does not beleive in God. And that means antichrist, Satanist. I am happy that finally some people are starting to see what some of us saw mny years ago
In the West Peter’s #72 comments, would be condemned for the following reasons-
1. “criminal tag’ what has Membe stolen? any proof?
2. Homosexuality. any proof? debatably, is it wrong?
3. ‘Anti-christ Post’. Quite wild. Based on what?
Peter, learn to stick to the law when making allegations, no wonder you friend Chishimba is in big trouble right now. He risks losing the little he has to the Post, I hope you keep to your identity or else you also stand the same risk.
#66 iwe glucose, leave my school mate alone. He has given you data with facts nomba wafilwa ukuinua nokwambako ukusabaila te?
#72 mukaamba peter, it’s true Fred Mmembe ni “le’grande” (gay) elo tayishiba ukulanda ichisungu kano pali ka-written speech. That chap is dull and that post is too big for him, the anti-christ with the mark 666.
#73 Hey, can I ask you the same questions? what has LPM stolen? the answer is none te? But wait for investigation after his tenure.
answers t your questions:
1. the post was at the edge of being bankrupt and he bride Temba chito to pump money and promised not write anything bad about LPM. that on its own is a crime.
2. do you want him to pipe you elo ukasumina ati ni le’grande te? go to chelston and ask about his client who past away this year. nomba his target ma nite clubs.
3. I think you just know Mmembe in post news paper. The man has sold his soul to the devil, and there is an allegation that he drinks blood. He looks scarely now.
Ba Jose #74/75, its better to discuss more factual issues.
making wild allegations, like you have done will NOT save your thieveing friend FTJ.
I know your last ditch attempt to save FTJ is to brand all those opposed to his criminality as satanists. You have been doing that on this blog for a long time,long before Chishimba did it openly on TV.
Send that data in your point #1 to ACC and lets see how they handle it.
So, when did he sell his soul? Has he approached you for yakumbuyo before? Are you really scared by his looks or you guilt for supporting Kafupi?
#76 hey, you were asking for facts nomba nakupela and you want Fred to come and pipe you te? Dont be like doubting Thomas. Are you in Zed Hey? I dont think so, Fred is longer a common man like he used to be. Nomba anda ubushiku.
If FTJ stole indukis, then LPM ngamuntu waba principled ngalikene hand pick yamugivile ba FTJ.
Iwe ba ACC is now controled by LPM at remote and they all batch of crook. The best is to wait for 2011, you will what Temba chito, LPM and Mmembe have connived. I think am talking to an imbecile te?
Zambians.. Zambian….all ye off little faith what shall i do to you? We Zambians are very interesting people. When ba tata was stealing money who rose up to fight him…….Zero. You were all cowaring in your bed sheets afraid to even whisper! Only Levy, Godfrey miyande, Chongwe, Guy scot,The Post, and a few others had the courage to do so. Now in the comfort of your 3mx3m flat in New york, London or Johannesburg or and Windhoek you want to pretend as if you ever had some courage to stand up to chiluba. when are we going to find a zambian willing to lay his life for mother zambia? When are we going to start investing in our country, when are going to stand up and say this is right this is wrong! Now Levy is in power, offcourse there is corruption! who among you is willing to expose it. Some of you in new york are probably there using our grand parenrts tax money!
Iwe fake castrol! shut up …go smoke dagga with BY’s son? you’re one stupid fellow who never utilized the opportunity when your father was in plot one! go count your father’s high heeled shoes! count your blessings that Zambia is a christain nation with a very porous judicial system!….. do you even know what happened with marcos and his wife! come to think of it, your father had more shoes’s than Emelda Marco? there’s always time for everything, your father’s case is just the begining? “wina azalila?”
#79 This castro is an impositor, the real Castro Chiluba is not computer literate, he has no idea how a key board looks like,the only thing he remembers is ALpha Bar or that one owned by Anif Adamns I have forgotten its name that is all.SO this impositor must stop using this name its plain not right
Mwema Bosses bonse I have read all you comments Please LETS leave this small man alone or else umulopa wakwe ukasumina pali ifwe