London High court judgment is null and void , submit Dr Chiluba’s lawyers

1. There we go again..Ba EASY analyse we are waiting.

2. Amen

3. Even so let it be!!!

4. Kayata and Kuku. Lets revisit our discussion on the FTJ issue. Ms Daka , you and i argued on the jurisdictional implications of the case for days. I told you that Bwana Smith has no jurisdiction over crimes committed in Zambia. You see what Sangwa and Simenza have done is what Malila should have done in the first place. STUDY THE LAWS OF ZAMBIA. Before rushing to UK. I think he should be fired. How can the entire AG claim to be ambushed? Did he think Sangwa is as inept as he is? What Malila has done is tantamount to sabotage. He has messed up the civil case and he has contaminated the criminal case. Commenting or running a another case which may impede on the outcome of a criminal case is Sub judice. Even me I’m not a lawyer i understand that. Malila is supposed to be our top GRZ lawyer. Unfortunately he doesn’t understand the law. Therefore he must be fired forthwith. For bring our justice system into disrepute.

5. Kuku my dear help, because law ya mu Sambia and UK ya shupamaningi basakwa. Friday 13th is a very bad day bwana judge BANDA.We wait to hear from the Attorney
   Gen of Sambia Mummba Malila.

6. #4,I have always said that when someone uses emotions to make decisions always the end result is bizzare,this one case was a predetermined one and I was so sure Sangwa and Simeza could not have misled FTJ in doing what he did, because they are capaple lawyers.People like SAKi , Stephen Lungu got so excited about QC Smith’s judgement together with the Post where Mutembo Incito is share holder,
   Indeed SAGE we argued at length with M.Daka supporting LAZ stance over it.If these facts hold water then what next to the entire legal fratenity with the exception of Simeza and Sangwa?Iam keeping my eyes and ears open, I will be watching this fight from the ringside.Chuchu Spin doctors have helped him put an Iron curtain across Zambia

7. Today those who blogged on other topics I put something which can help FTJs arguements not this circles of his lawyers. I said Chiluba should involve the IMF/World Bank fo they are ones who deliberately give Zambia loans never said anything to misuse. What Sangwa I said holds no water the trial continues on 13th July 2007. As I have said the court will be not linient when passing judgement on Chiluba for wasting time and taxspayers money. SAGE#4 dont rush to conclude such case have been in past been extended to the Somolon Islands. More this has the blessing of the president for he signed for removal of immunity of FTJ. Why should a small group of pipo continue give us problems? These laywers the drug the case because its source of income. You will see in case PLM should he face same charges they will rush to defend him thank God he himself is a lawyer. The only element of this case is it has been alined with racism and imperialism.

8. Ba Kuku twafweni
   Boses sorry it is Kunda who did the work and Sunday Nkonde was to take over from Kunda,nomba we don’t know how Mumba got the job. We just have to wait for Friday the 13th when the Attorney General will come with his defence for Sambia.

9. #5 &#8 Ala filiukotuleya bane, let us wait and see,let us keep our cool and see what Friday 13th shall bring.But be mindful the ‘Iron curtain has descended across Zambia’

10. kuku#6 I dont think this case is predetermined have to take this case seriously to cub anyone in future doing the same. You remember you advice a fews ago you said working hard is the only solution not stealing like our plunderers.

11. Big#9 are real the one, Iam happy to see you bloging again everyone was calling your name. We need a cleaning and cleansing in the our courts if they let these criminals go then Zambia is doomed and it will be ungovernable.

12. #10 Easy mwaice there are so many issues at play, at no point have ever supported what FTJ did but I condemn the process he went through to get this case settled.If it was done out of all odds, our legal system must have been involved from a-z in much the similar way they participated in reducing the orchestrated 169 cases to 23 and eventually to 2 so whay decide and chart another route to dispose of the case?Zamtrop records were available and Smith used those records there was no added value other than speedy conclusion.But some uncomfortable parallels between the two were drawn during the offshore judgement left so much to be desired

13. #11 Mwaice wandi ifwe tamanga yalipaya, I have always told you that ,ingataubazile ninshi ethopia yayingila pa bond, you start deriving hunger equations, I was busy chasing up orders in Kitwe.
    Easy this turn of events will be interesting and sounds not an easy thing to be burried soon

14. 10# Then we have one thing common all what want is to see this case come to an end. So if evidence is there why are the lawyers insisting on the innocence of the defendant. Is not milking a dying cow. FTJ remember you said he has suffered you would him settle down and rest. Any case adjournment of a case doesnt mean the case is lost. Zambians are waiting for justices unless these few individuals have a backing of outsiders.

15. 13# Friday 13th I hope we wont end up have another batch of refugees like Lawyer Edward Hamaundu who had to rush to International Airport to catch a British Airways enroute London. He is the only Aslyant Zambia has or has. Kuku you know blogger ask about your where about and Ba Jo? I got worried because police they shot after chifikusi to revenge their boss death.
    So mean in Kitwe you cannot access internet?

16. #12 Kuku. I now get your line of argument. All along I thought you were prepared to turn a blind eye to corruption as long as it involved Bashi Castro. But what you are saying is that you do not support any corrupt deeds he may have done but you disagree with the process employed by LPM’s government. I can understand your point of view. The only problem I have is that Chiluba seems to have done everything in his power to avoid the courts. What is your take on this?

17. #15 Rodger Chongwe was another temporal self inflicted assylum seeker, he dashed off to Australlia,BaJoze is busy he will be online very soon, I was talking to him, he is attending to urgent national issues like the Kulima Tower constitution,Main Masala bye laws,KMB(Kitwe main Bus terminal) hygiene transformation so he has a lot at his hands then inaddition to making tea at interz, so please bear with him especially Mkulupe.
    Mwaice Easy naya mukulala we shall chat tommorrow,Nkhataboy will be waking up,so keep the flame burning but dont burn your fingers

18. #16 Firstly the biggest issue was to isolate the presidency from normal civil service,hence the removal of his immunity, secondly the Office of the President is under Oath and this is where Zamtroop comes in.LPM used these ‘OATH’ issues to nail his predecessor and to me this was quite un fortunate because this will have continuous spiral effects on the office of the president.In short the Presidency has been killed by Chuchu totally.Even him where he is he using his over excess powers to do what best suits him, he has even forgetten the existence of the word collaborative management.

19. #kuku Iam also going to gong I have sth too do 2 we team up tomorrow.

20. #18 Kuku. Thanks for your response. I think I also need to sleep.

21. #20 #19 we link up in the morning.Enjoy your sleep

22. Welcome back Kuku, twalisakamana sana. Nomba, Ba Joze balubila kwi? The case is now becoming interesting. The biggest blunder chuchu made was to rush to the UK courts, leaving the soverignity and independence of our justice and legal systems in Zambia. Chuchu should then call Smith to come and help speed up the many pending cases for those guys in Chimbokaila because we do not have enough judges to do the pending cases. Why only FJT’s case? That is why some people have called this as political persecution of FJT. I do not support the way the funds were mishandled by FJT and his cloonies, but the way we have handled this case. Let us wait for Friday and see what the outcome will be. Ba Joze come out if you are still living!

23. This is the argument that we have always put forward, that reciprocity is easier said than done. This goes to reinforce the fact that, it took the AG a while after Smith’s judgements to come up with some definitive statement, & when he did, not much of it was very convincing, well, the battle has just began between fact & fiction or should we say dreams! It is unfortunate for the AG, in that he was nowhere near the current office he occupies when this whole farce was put in motion – am not making any conclusions yet, I just hope the AG, LPM & the Law fraternity don’t make a fool of our judicial system and Zambia as a whole!!

24. Legal technicalities are often used as last ditch to get someone off the hook. This appears to be the case here…..lets see how it goes in the next hearing.

25. Indeed the battle has just began, I see this case costing the tax payers money equivalent to what they are trying to collect. For the AG to claim to be ambushed on facts as above which bloggers like bauze knew about is certainly a cause for concern. Anyway, people grab your seats, sit tight , the real show has just began. I see adjournments all the way to 2011 and the big losers in all this will be tax payers and the winners the lawyers. So much for a lawyer president.

26. Although I donot support corruption, I still feel the all process is corrupt. If a Briton had committed any crime outsde Britain,the british gave will ask that country to sent their citizen to answer their charges. All what the British govt do is to get as much information as they can to make judgemen justy and fair. When you look at this case we are still asking ouselves whether this case and the outcome is fairly carried out.Today is $27milliom the following day is $47million. Cases like this one is like the Hague were those who do nnot say yes to the west are judged. The question is can Tony Blair and George Bush charged and takn to the Haguefor Iraq war for misleading the whole world? The answer is definetly no. The whole process is a laugh and disgrace to well educated lawyers and peace loving Zambians.Britain will never ever let her citizen tried in another country full stop.The British pipo willl be calling for the foreign secretary and home office to do something.

27. A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS ON IMMIGRANTS:TULSA’S ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WRECK

    For reader, accident with apparent illegal alien crystallized city’s changes
    July 9, 2007
    In our first Gut Check America vote, thousands of readers around the country rated illegal immigration as the issue of most concern for them. Among them was Gary Rutledge, a Tulsa, Okla., college professor who wrote about being involved in a traffic accident with an apparent illegal immigrant. Here is our report on what we found when we traveled to Tulsa to follow up on his story:
    TULSA, Okla. – “Our sovereignty is under direct attack,” warns a commanding voice emanating from a pool of light in the corner of an otherwise dark airplane hangar. Dan Howard, an airplane salesman by day, is in the middle of his weekly two-hour radio show titled Outraged Patriots, a nighttime broadcast devoted entirely to the topic of illegal immigration. Howard, who charges that the U.S. government is failing in its duty to protect the country from a “silent invasion” by illegal immigrants, taps into a deep vein of anger and unease in this conservative south central city, where many longtime residents feel besieged by a recent wave of mostly Hispanic newcomers.That rising tide of resentment is palpable in the city’s Latino community.At Plaza Santa Cecilia, a mall filled with Latino shops in East Tulsa, business is down as much as 40 percent, vendors say. “It’s very quiet,” said Edith, a 17-year-old shopkeeper who didn’t want to give her last name. “Everyone is staying home because of this immigration stuff.”
    The tensions of Tulsa mirror those in many other U.S. cities that have experienced sharp increases in Hispanic immigration in recent years. But other factors are at work here as well.
    City on the leading edge
    Tulsa is on the leading edge of local and state efforts to crack down on illegal immigration following passage by the Oklahoma Legislature of what is arguably the toughest anti-illegal immigration measure in the nation. The Tulsa City Council also embraced the get-tough approach by adopting a resolution calling on police officers to check the immigration status of “all suspected illegal aliens.”Those actions have sparked a fierce political battle, spread fear among Hispanics — both legal residents and those in the country illegally — and triggered an angry public face-off between demonstrators on either side of the great divide.Among the longtime residents shaken by the changes engulfing his city is Gary Rutledge, an MSNBC.com reader who said the demographic shift took his family and friends by surprise.“It’s happened so quickly and our neighborhoods have changed so rapidly,” said Rutledge, a political science professor at nearby Rogers State University. In East Tulsa, just across the main thoroughfare from his comfortable brick home, the broad avenues are now peppered with signs in Spanish and malls catering to Latino shoppers — offering everything from soccer wear and piñatas to check cashing services and Latin pop music. “That whole part of the city has become a miniature Juarez or Tijuana or whatever you want to call it,” said Rutledge.
    Like many longtime residents, Rutledge is quick to say that he is not opposed to immigration by legal means. But he says he objects to being unwillingly taken over by another culture as the result of unchecked illegal immigration.“I’m very concerned that this last wave (of immigrants) has no interest in becoming Americanized,” he said.
    Fallout from federal inaction
    It was Rutledge’s story of a car crash involving an apparent illegal immigrant that led MSNBC.com to Tulsa. But when we arrived we encountered a bigger pileup: the chaotic fallout of a federal framework that neither prevents illegal immigrants from entering the U.S. to work nor provides a way for them to gain legal status.That Catch -22 has forced local jurisdictions like Tulsa to seek their own solutions to the explosive and complex issue.“Increasingly, because there’s no consistent federal law, states and cities are cobbling together immigration laws on their own,” says Sheryl Lovelady, assistant to Tulsa Mayor Kathy Taylor. In Tulsa, Lovelady said, such laws “have caused a lot of confusion, inconsistency and fear, mainly in the Hispanic community.”Tulsa, a city built on oil some 500 miles from the Mexican border, has a population of just over 380,000, including about 40,000 Latino or Hispanic residents, according to 2005 Census estimates. The pace of Hispanic immigration has been quickening, and local newspapers and politicians believe the number is now closer to 50,000.For Rutledge, a car accident personalized the issue. He and his wife were waiting in their pickup at a traffic light one evening when they were hit from behind by a vehicle traveling about 30 miles an hour. They were not badly hurt, only stunned. More shocking, though, was what they heard from the police officer who responded to the accident: The other driver, a young Hispanic man, did not speak English, did not have a driver’s license or insurance. The officer suspected the man was an illegal immigrant, Rutledge said, but he did not check his immigration status because such inquiries weren’t allowed in misdemeanor cases. Before taking the other driver to jail, Rutledge said, the officer told him he should just go home and forget about it.
    ‘There’s not much to be done’
    “He said, ‘We do a lot of this kind of thing and we can tell you that there’s not much to be done about it,’” Rutledge recalled.It’s not clear what happened to the suspect after that. Tulsa police were not able to locate an accident report on the incident.But officers said that the maximum penalty the man could have faced for driving without a license, a misdemeanor, would be 30 days in jail. Driving without insurance is only a ticketable offense.Rutledge said he was floored by the experience. Not only would his own insurance company have to absorb the cost for repairing his truck, but the other driver was soon going to be back on the streets.“It was … a feeling of helplessness,” he said. “There’s no recourse, there’s nothing to do.”Rutledge began comparing notes with friends and family and found that many had a similar story with a similar outcome. That got him thinking about the bigger picture. “I think that when someone comes in this country illegally, it starts a tradition or culture,” he said. “You come in illegally; everything you do from that point on is illegal. And so it’s almost impossible to get a driver’s license or insurance so you just start breaking one law after another. I think it’s seductive. I think after a while … you don’t pay too much attention to rule of law that this country was established on.”
    Making way for newcomers
    While Rutledge’s eye-opening experience occurred behind the wheel, the immigration surge has had an even more striking impact on the Tulsa school system. With many of the immigrant workers in their child-bearing years, the population of Hispanic kids in the school is growing 3 percent a year and will constitute 25 percent of the student body by 2020, the district projects.The city started its first programs to teach non-English speakers just five years ago, and now has 6,000 students in remedial English language classes, said Nilda Reyes, director of equity and diversity for Tulsa schools.The sole mission of Newcomer International School, which opened in 2004, is to help its students — about 250 at any given time — become proficient in English so they can make a transition to mainstream classes. The school district also is making plans to expand remedial English teaching in higher grades, and is offering Spanish courses to teachers and looking to hire additional bilingual staff.As in other communities, Tulsa’s medical system has taken a hit, too. Hospitals have scrambled to find enough interpreters to handle the crush of non-English speakers descending on emergency rooms, bringing in children and housekeepers in some cases, said Tulsa World immigration reporter Leigh Bell.One program run by Catholic Charities offers prenatal care to women without medical insurance or access to Medicare — about 500 at any given time — the vast majority of them illegal immigrants from Mexico, said Tim Sullivan, executive director of the nonprofit agency. The early care helps avert later medical problems that put even more pressure on emergency rooms and other medical facilities.While these pressures are not unique to Tulsa, the response to them is.
    Tough new rules target illegals
    Local and state governments here have crafted rules to curb illegal immigration that are arguably the toughest in the nation. In May, Oklahoma Gov. Brad Henry signed into law HB 1804, also known as the Oklahoma Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act of 2007. The law, which is scheduled to take effect on Nov. 1, makes it a felony to “knowingly transport, move conceal, shelter or harbor” an illegal immigrant.The law, which proclaims that “the State of Oklahoma finds that illegal immigration is causing economic hardship and lawlessness in this state,” requires companies that do contract work for the state to conduct stringent background checks to avoid hiring illegal immigrants. Other companies would open themselves to discrimination suits if they hired illegal workers over legal residents. It also includes tough language requiring government agencies to ensure they are not providing services such as food stamps to those illegally in the country, though those services are already theoretically denied under federal law.It is unclear how 1804 will be enforced — whether, for instance, nonprofit groups or individuals assisting illegal aliens could be sanctioned for “sheltering or harboring” them.In the end, the bill might not pack much punch, according to David Blatt, policy director for Tulsa’s Community Action Project, who said many of the provisions restate existing federal statutes or may be pre-empted by federal law.”I liken it to a fiercely growling dog — one that is sending out a purposeful message that illegal immigrants are not welcome in Oklahoma,” said Blatt. “… I think the bill will have minimal bite, but that is not to minimize the impact loud growling has on people.” Meantime, activists in the Hispanic community say they plan to mount a legal challenge to 1804 and the American Civil Liberties Union of Oklahoma also is studying the bill to see if it passes constitutional muster.
    Whose job is it?
    In Tulsa, the battle has focused on the degree to which local law enforcement should be involved in checking immigration status, normally the province of federal immigration agents.With the strong backing of conservative U.S. Rep. John Sullivan, a Republican who represents the congressional district that includes Tulsa, the Sheriff’s Department in surrounding Tulsa County is seeking training that would essentially deputize its officers to enforce immigration law. Under section 287 (g) of federal immigration law, the Department of Homeland Security can enter into compacts with state and local law enforcement agencies to create a “force multiplier” for the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) service, especially where federal resources are thin in the interior of the country.Sullivan, among the Republicans strongly opposed to President Bush’s immigration reform bill as too lenient, also was behind the city’s move to crack down on illegal immigrants. At his urging, Tulsa’s City Council passed a resolution in May that requires police officers to determine immigration status of “all suspected illegal aliens” encountered in the course of their regular duties — a significant hardening of the current policy under which only those arrested on felony charges are checked. The police chief is opposed to the measure, as is Tulsa’s Democratic Mayor Kathy Taylor, who is engaged in a bitter political battle with Sullivan.Sullivan charges that Tulsa has become a “sanctuary city” for illegal immigrants under Taylor’s watch because they are usually not reported to the federal immigration officials when they commit minor crimes.He also argues that by getting police involved in reporting immigration violations, the city will be able to demonstrate the need for an ICE office in Tulsa.
    Bill’s aim: Create fear in criminals, not roofers
    “I want to create fear in rapists, drunk drivers, drug dealers and people who conceal weapons,” Sullivan told MSNBC.com. “It doesn’t mean getting the framer down from a roof where he’s working and arresting him.” Taylor argues that the congressman’s approach will cause panic among Hispanics and open the door for racial profiling. She also maintains that public safety will suffer if the people in the community don’t report crimes because they are fearful of immigration consequences. Among those who share her concern is Mark Wollmershauser, a Tulsa police officer who has been on the beat for 30 years.He said he could easily envision a scenario in which the teen daughter of an illegal immigrant is raped, but the family is afraid to report it, leaving the perpetrator on the street.“They will not call us,” said Wollmershauser. “It will drive a stake through the community in terms of crime prevention.”Taylor has refused to sign the council’s resolution and instead issued a “policy clarification” stating that police need only ask about immigration status for felony cases or misdemeanors that result in a trip to jail.
    Emergency mode
    Though it remains to be seen how these laws will be enforced if they survive expected court challenges, they already have stirred visible anxiety in Tulsa’s Hispanic community.If the laws are enforced, “It will take us back to front-counterism, vigilantism and just overloading our (legal) system,” predicted Sebastian Lantos, a legal immigrant from Argentina who is spokesman for the Coalition of Hispanic Organizations. Marcela Frescott, program coordinator of Hispanic services at Catholic Charities in Tulsa, said families with both legal and illegal immigrants are worried about getting split up, referring to parents who are in the U.S. illegally but have children who were born here and therefore are legal citizens.“We had one person who … has four children born here in the U.S., and now they’re afraid to register the kids in school come August because they’re afraid that at that time they might (be) arrested” and deported, she said. Howard, the radio show host who also founded an anti-illegal immigration group called Outraged Patriots, is not swayed by such pleas.“These parents… have ultimate responsibility for their kids,” he said. “I have empathy for them … but I cannot give a waiver on the U.S. Constitution to make way for people who cause their own problem” by coming illegally. He advocates an immediate moratorium on immigration, a clamp down on the border and tough rules that hold employers responsible for checking immigration status.And he wants Washington to send a message to others contemplating sneaking across the border: “I want to see the administration send … a huge corps to deport tens if not hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens.”If something is not done, he said darkly, “A lot of people believe there is civil war on the horizon.”For the moment, Howard is celebrating the defeat of the federal immigration reform bill, which he opposed for offering a legal path to millions of people who entered the U.S. illegally. But he views its defeat in the Senate as merely a temporary success.“You have got to stay vocal,” Howard told his listeners on a recent Monday night broadcast before going to a commercial break. “This issue is not over.”
    Damage control
    Hispanic leaders in Tulsa agree. They called an emergency meeting in June to work on ways of countering what they see as rising anti-immigrant sentiment and measures that they see as institutionalizing racism. Among them is an information campaign to inform Hispanics of their rights if they are pulled over. Through a more ambitious effort called “Alto 1804” (“Stop 1804”), they are pooling legal and political capital to challenge the state law.With emotions running so high, some residents and officials agree with Howard that violence is a real possibility.Already, when some 1,500 mostly Hispanic demonstrators marched in East Tulsa on May 5 to protest HB 1804, they encountered an unexpected counterdemonstration, including members of Outraged Patriots and the Tulsa Minuteman Project, one of four organizations in Oklahoma listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as “nativist extremist” organizations that target immigrants with their anger, not just immigration policy.Police were watching the march and counterdemonstration and managed to keep the two sides apart. Only epithets and few eggs were hurled.“We were able to get it worked out,” said Tulsa Police Capt. Steve Odom, who witnessed the confrontation. “But I do worry about the rhetoric because there’s a lot of information on both sides that’s misunderstood.”Rutledge, the college professor, is among those who fear that the situation will get worse if nothing is done. “It’s very serious,” he said. “I don’t know if we’re going to have a revolution. I don’t think America’s going to pick up guns and start marching, but it could be something similar to the breakdown of law and order we had during desegregation and … back in MLK era.”

28. May People of faith remember us in Tulsa during these seemingly dark days.

29. #7 Easy what is wrong with you? I really dont understand you half the time. The issues Sangwa is raising is about inforcability of the case in Zambia. Our laws dont allow for that. If Malila was smart enough he could have dropped the criminal case in Zambia and sue FTJ in a civil case. In a civil case Malila doesnt have to prove beyond a reasonable dought. Get a judgement by a Zambian Judge, and then ask Smith to register the case in UK. I dont think UK would have registered a judgement from the Zambian judge. but there is precedence with the ICJ regarding Mobutu and Abacha’s cases. For the AG not to understand the constitutionality of a case of such magnitude, its beyond me. In this blog we have been talking about the referendum and the like…we are not even lawyers. I THINK MALILA SHOULD GO. He has embarased the nation. And how come CJ has not said anything . He is the top judge.

30. FJT did not steal from zambians as the Post and PLM want us to believe. Mistakes could have been made and I’m sure the were made , however the manner in which the LM govenment responded to the Post led fight on corruption as a way of impressing the so called donors lives much to be desired. If anything this a Post generated fight on corruption aimed at hitting back at FJT for locking a post editor. surely sambians are not blind, they can read between the lines. something is not right here.

31. what ever happens the truth shall come out.

32. Something is cooking. I can smell the blood. Friday the 13th, we shall see. These are just some of the dirt tricks of the dribbler. The dribbler doesn’t recognize the London judgement, today he’s challenging its registration.

33. One thing we should remember is FTJ takes time to speak as i have always mentioned on the blog.Thats simple pholosophy.Right now both the government uk and zambia have to be carefull in the way they will make there decision.Becuase this will have to affect the future and the judgement.There has to be a proper registration, then the court in UK has to accept judgements from the courts of zambia for them to get Chiluba,( so that it works vice versa).But with the pride of the West i dont see that happening.Do you honestly think that they would allow zambia to make jugements on their behalf?.By so doing they would show that they are not competent and do not trust ther judiciary system and there judges.There a lot of things i can mention but we can just pick it up from there.Let us transcend what we read and see. the bembas say “chimbwi afwile tangalala”the hyena died in that situation not knowing where to go even this case can as well die somewhere there, in dilema.

34. Gentlemen there is no need for excitement. Sangwa and Simeza are applying legal gymanastics.

    Lawyers know that if you cannot win a case on fact or evidence, use legal technicalities.We are waiting to hear what Malila will come up with.

    The scent is getting warm. We can almost smell the blood

35. I for one Anonymus Iam not Mandalena who just jump which ever way the wind blows. I stand a thief is thief whether tried in heaven or Hell. The fact is that huge amount of money went miss which would have helped the nation. If AG ask for adjournment pipo it doesnt mean that he lost the case he want to put facts before the court to make it a fair trial. The chief Justice cannot say anything on this case unless it is brought in the surpreme court. He has the final say on any such case if there is any appeal. AG has state that this can lead to sabotage and obstraction of justice. What gone we say once the case is ruled in favour of the Zambian people. The problem most bloggers here they takes this case as a case bewteen Chiluba and Mwanawasa. The real fact its a case between 19 Zambians vs the rest of the population. If the law is fair and those laywers want to continue practicing law in Zambia it is time to ask for linience because once the vedicate is past they will be also be…

36. ctd.. acountable. Remember no one is above the law. After all the Zambian judges they had time to try the case in Zambia and they didnt not do anything until the president complained that case take to wrong in some cases witnesses have died or they are relucant to give evidence.

37. This is too early in the game to call the shots, no one has lost the argument yet… Sangwa and Simeza of course do have a point. What Mumba Malila has requested is well within the bounds of the law… Nevertheless, this is going to be both a learning experience and precedence in Zambia. One thing we should do from now on is to set in motion development of mechanisms that will safeguard the country’s resources. In short, it does not matter who wins the fact is that Zambia is some millions of dollars short!!!

38. Z’ians, in case you have missed the point, the alleged crimes were commited by Chiluba et. al. using UK banks, in other words, on UK soil, on UK Jurisdiction. That is the only reason the alleged crimes were tried in the UK. Sangwa and others are only doing what they are expected to do for their client. No lawyer will ever refuse to represent a client even in a hopeless case. Remember there is a always a fat fee for the lawy which ever way the case goes. Please do ot rubish Malila; de did not qualify as a lawyer yesterday!

    But Chiluba’s credibility is already questionable; he admited to ownership of the funds in question. But remember he said that it was given to him by well wishers. Since when does a sitting President receive gifts in person worth that much? and this from a guy who confiscated KK’s books when he left state house and said they belonged to the State? He knows that a President is not allowed to recieved personal gifts. Everything he recieves is on Behalf of all Z’ians

39. CITIZEN! You are right when you talk about lawyers. That is what they are paid for. Just that. Their duty is defend their client by whatever means they can. The dribbler is at play. Remember how he played his dirty games. FTJ vs The Zambian people. WHO WINS. Let’s wait and see. The smell of blood, sweat and tears is getting worse.

40. China ex-food and drug chief executed
    By ALEXA OLESEN, Associated Press Writer 23 minutes ago
    BEIJING – China on Tuesday executed the former head of its food and drug watchdog who had become a symbol of the country’s wide-ranging problems on product safety.
    Zheng Xiaoyu’s execution was confirmed by state television and the official Xinhua News Agency.
    “The few corrupt officials of the (State Food and Drug Administration) are the shame of the whole system and their scandals have revealed some very serious problems,” SFDA spokeswoman Yan Jiangyang said at a news conference held to highlight efforts to improve China’s track record on food and drug safety.
    “We should seriously reflect and learn lessons from these cases. We should step up our efforts to ensure food and drug safety, which is what we are doing now and what we will do in the future,” Yan said about Zheng and a separate case involving Cao Wenzhuang, the administration’s former pharmaceutical registration department director.
    Zheng was sentenced to death in May for taking bribes to approve an antibiotic blamed for at least 10 deaths and other substandard medicines. Cao was given a death sentence last month with a two-year reprieve for accepting bribes and dereliction of duty.
    Such suspended death sentences usually are commuted to life in prison if the convict is deemed to have reformed.
    Zheng’s death sentence was unusually heavy even for China, believed to carry out more court-ordered executions than all other nations combined, and likely indicates the leadership’s determination to confront the country’s dire product safety record.
    Yan said the food and drug administration was working to tighten its safety procedures and create a more transparent operating environment. But the administration acknowledged that its supervision of food and drug safety is unsatisfactory and that it has been slow to tackle the problem, but vowed to improve.
    “As a developing country, China’s current food and drug safety situation is not very satisfactory because supervision of food and drug safety started late. Its foundation is weak so the supervision of food and drug safety is not easy,” it said in a statement at the start of the news conference.
    China has been under pressure domestically and internationally to improve its quality controls after a series of health scares attributed to substandard Chinese products, including exported tainted food and fake drugs.
    Chinese officials already have said the country faces social unrest and a further tarnished image abroad unless it improves the quality and safety of its food and medicine.
    The industry regulator, the State Food and Drug Administration, has announced a series of measures to tighten safety controls and closed factories where illegal chemicals or other problems were found.
    Fears abroad over Chinese-made products were sparked last year by the deaths of dozens of people in Panama who took medicine contaminated with diethylene glycol imported from China. It was passed off as harmless glycerin.
    In North America earlier this year, pet food containing Chinese wheat gluten tainted with the chemical melamine was blamed for the deaths of dogs and cats.
    Since then, U.S. authorities have turned away or recalled toxic fish, juice containing unsafe color additives and popular toy trains decorated with lead paint.
    Chinese-made toothpaste also has been banned in a handful of countries due to its content of diethylene glycol. However, there have been no reports of health problems stemming from the product. China has no guideline banning the chemical in toothpaste, and the government says it is harmless in small amounts.
    The list of food scares within China over the past year includes drug-tainted fish, banned Sudan dye used to color egg yolks red, and pork tainted with clenbuterol, a banned feed additive.
    China also has stepped up its inspections of imported products and said some U.S. products are not safe.
    In the latest case, the official Xinhua News Agency reported Tuesday that a shipment of sugar-free drink mix from the United States had been rejected for having too much red dye.
    Last week, China’s food safety watchdog said almost 20 percent of products made for consumption within China were found to be substandard in the first half of 2007. Canned and preserved fruit and dried fish were the most problematic, primarily because of excessive bacteria and additives, the agency said.

41. #34 Iwe Citizen wewatemwa ukushita TOOTHPASTE & TINNED FISH yaku China wamona the type of people you want to bring to Zambia with your uncle chuchu? eLO NA POVERTY YAPA Zed kufwa bonse, because your drug board control is inept,no checks and balances ala bwafya

42. remember accountability,execution style,zed they have stolen and are free.

43. Kuku! It’s only China. We are not safe as Zambian even as Africans. Look at the ARVs that were contaminated. Where they not from India or USA pharmaceutical companies. It is not only ARVs, even other drugs we are below standard. Their strengths and expiry dates are not real as indicated on the labels. The end result is resistance and expenditure.

44. #Kuku40 This has been very embarrassing to china. You know they are serious if you committee a punishable offence you have to carry it according. Ifwe mu Zambia we shall forgive and forgive until one day the whole nation will die. I know chinese are at the moment not loved worldwide. My friend told that they had a chain of restrauntants in europe which have closed down. The onwers of the land believe they are just there to spy and learn and go back. Nomba Kuku Mudaala our lawyers since they can defend even the most notorious criminal what will be their vedicate if the lose the case. They have wasted alot of public funds. Have noticed something sinister with FTJ cases. He will always have two lawyers to defend him. Does it imply that he is confident of winning the case. Indentity trial Silwamba and Malambo defended him, now Simeza and Sangwa. Next time it will be Saki and Lungu. Why are we wasting much time and money on one person who have always been a problem from birth.

45. #4 SAGE, The problem with the law and lawyers is how best you argue out your case. If the AG has convincing reasons as to why the case was refered to London,then he has a better chance,but if not Sangwa will be smiling.
    The Govt calls it’s own rules, LAW and those against it’s rules as Offender’s.
    Why do you think LPM has to mention that they should not be treated as kids anymore?
    No Integrity & Respect.
    #40-44, I hope this answers as to why the western worlds have been concerned with the way Africa and China are transacting or dealing in their trade.
    Have a look at AngloAmerica, when they invest they have good rules and equipment for the safety of it’s worker’s,but Chinese are sending miners bare-footed etc.
    The Western world can do away without Africa, but they need it so atleast they can know how wealthy they are.

46. 43#Gluco this about recolonization of the continent.Do you what led to the end of slave trade its not Abraham Lincoln as history puts. It is the resistance of the African to taken away from their continent. 9 from 10 captured for slavery died on the african soil because of resistance. 9 from 10 put on the ship to go america or europe died at sea. So you see we have been resistances thru out. Its time to refuse economical slavery of any kind. We are not children we can decided what is good for us. Africa has to strengthen is bilatral trade. Africa should be strong to stand the test of time like south american nations. We need to punish those who have taking our money outside the continent. Have you heard the former president Soharto from Indonesia has be sued for misapropriating US$1.54 Billion dollar. Thailand former prime minister is also being persued for similar cases. He instead bought Manchester City club instead of building hospitals in Thailand.

47. By ANGUS SHAW, Associated Press Writer Mon Jul 9, 4:01 PM ET
    HARARE, Zimbabwe – Cars no longer line up at gas stations because there’s no fuel for sale. Gone are the meat, bread and cornmeal that Zimbabweans count on for their meals. Two weeks after the government ordered price cuts in response to the country’s rampant inflation, the economy is coming to a standstill.
    More than 30 company executives have been arrested for hoarding goods and flouting the price cuts, and several have been fined up to $6,600, court officials said Monday. Among those rounded up were executives of a leading clothing retailer, two directors of Zimbabwe’s main food distributor and fast-food chain, and the chief executive of the largest producer of pork products.
    The sudden drop in prices had led to panic buying, stampedes and near-riots, leaving shelves bare of staple foods. Witnesses said many shops and suppliers were cleaned out by convoys of ruling party supporters who came in after police and inspectors enforcing the price cuts.
    Factories, stores and gas stations have been unable to replace goods sold at below cost.
    Gas stations have run dry, putting an end to the long lines of cars. On Monday, the government ordered private commuter buses to cut fares by three-fourths, promising bus owners they would be able to buy subsidized fuel from the state oil procurement agency.
    But many ignored the directive and simply abandoned their routes. Businesses reported higher numbers of workers failing to arrive at their jobs.
    “We are incurring huge losses. We can’t go on like this for much longer,” said one industrialist. “We’ll have to lay off quite a number of our people very soon,” he said. “We’ve shot ourselves in the foot this time.”
    He asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation. President Robert Mugabe warned Friday that the government would target uncooperative managers and seize factories that scaled down their operations. His government accuses business leaders of being part of a campaign to bring him down.
    More than 1,300 businesses have been charged and fined over the past two weeks, police said.
    Economist John Robertson warned shortages would worsen.
    “The crunch can’t be far off,” he said. “Retailers who can’t recover the money they spent on their goods are not going to carry them anymore, and manufacturers who are not allowed to charge more than their production costs are going to stop making them.”
    By the end of next week, as gas stations go out of business, “we won’t have much mobility anywhere and we will have run out of options,” he added.
    Last week, the government announced it was reviving the long-defunct State Trading Corp. to run businesses that had collapsed or were seized. The corporation itself collapsed in the 1980s through mismanagement.
    Police spokesman Oliver Mandipaka said the crackdown was “not a gimmick and will be sustained at all costs to stop consumers being ripped off,” state radio said.
    He appealed to rural villagers and farmers “to complement government efforts by reducing prices of cattle so butcheries can operate viably,” radio said.
    Beef, a favorite in the diet of Zimbabweans, disappeared from shops more than a week ago.
    Cattle herds already have shrunk drastically since the seizures of thousands of white-owned farms disrupted Zimbabwe’s agriculture-based economy in 2000.
    Cattle are a status symbol in rural communities and often are used as a dowry. It was unlikely villagers who have resettled on former white-owned land would heed Mandipaka’s appeal.
    Live goats were being sold in Harare, but goat meat has not appeared in slaughterhouses or supermarkets. Women snapped up cabbages at one open air market.
    “It’s something to put on the table anyway,” said one woman who only gave her name as Olivia. She said two large cabbages could be made to last about a week.
    Official inflation is running at 4,500 percent — the highest in the world — though independent financial institutions estimate real inflation is closer to 9,000 percent.
    The government has admitted to printing extra money — seen as a main cause of inflation and an obstacle to South Africa’s reported offer to shore up Zimbabwe’s collapsing dollar by pegging it to the South African currency.
    As the crisis worsens, Zimbabweans may resort to looting, Robertson said.
    “I think the government will finally unleash the impatience and the anger of our normally agreeable and passive population,” he said

48. Simeza and Sangwa know the law very well, but a crime is a crime and especially when its aganist the state with evidence the state uses its machinery. Unfortunetly friday the pertition wil be thrown out and Kafupi will need to appeal to Suprime court. Lets wait and see

49. #46 Easy, If you read the history on slavery,you will discover that this trade was not imposed on the people, what was wrong was the mode and manner in which they were handcuffed but truth of the matter is that it was a 2way system in which the arabs were middle men.
    Did you know that at one moment in the slave trade,supply exceeded demand, do you know what that means?
    For the love of “whisky & brandy”.
    You should be blaming your ancestors for selling themselves and their relations off,and not the buyer.
    Do you know what caused the beginning of slave trade?
    Easy, stop misleading… Do you know that Thaksin was already a billionaire before he became Premier? Do you know what cases he is been pursued for? Take it easy.

50. 49# Kayata a Billionare from stolen money ok why did he run away if he no case to answer. You are popi promote dubios dealing on the continent if you can support slave trade in the way you are doing. So justify slavery for you it is normal. Read more materials on this topic. I think Kayata you are working for this tycon and tryant.

51. #47 And this man was in the fore front advocating for One african country in Ghana last week ,when he has so much fire at his hands,African leaders are a pain in the wrong place.RGM is no different from Kamuzu and KK, they are die hards

52. 47# Kayata stop making proganda after listening to SW Radio Africa which is based in London. You just bring punic to the region I think Interpol should start looking for you.

53. 4 sure # 48,but honestly that ka man need to be brought to account,Look wats happenin to ZESCO now,the ka man got monies 4rm thr 2 pimp up Regina

54. 51# Kuku mudaala KK is different from Mugabe and Kamuzu. He handover power to a wrong person. Hastings ruled until his death. Dont put KK in the same shoe like these tryants. Mugabe has a hidden punishment for his stand for Africans. When he will die maybe that is when we shall know the truth.

55. Guys why DR Congo is no more a story when the peace is at avenge of colapse there. Clear and plain the west got what they wanted to control the resources. Very soon africa will remain uninhabitant because everyone will die either from hunger, aids and wars. The best machinery ever used even better than atomic bomb very systematic way of killing people. Its now Judge Chinyama and Banda sit together and pass a final vedicate on Stella and her husband including the chil´dren, Xvaier, Faustin, Francis.

56. #54 Mwaice Easy its not that KK did it voluntarily,it was under duress that is the common denominator.Look at what he did after wards , messed up Kebby Musokotwane at Namayani by contesting party presidency, wht does that mean to you? Come on Mwaice, once a dictator you die a dictator, if things were to change today and become favourable to all, KK can still wish to stand but he has clauses that bar him and that is the only impediment holding him, otherwise he enjoys being in the lime light.I recall to you some lines of Byron, which seem to me to fit the event, the hour, and the theme:

    Millions of tongues record thee, and anew

    Their children’s lips shall echo them, and say —

    “Here, where the sword united nations drew,

    Our countrymen were warring on that day!”

    And this is much, and all which will not pass away.

57. Kuku where that judge who sentenced Kaundas son to death we need him back as judge. Was judge Lewanika I can not remember. The man was strong and he knew his deputy as a laywer enforcer.

58. #57 Ye man the one who sentenced Kambarage before Silungwe then chief Justice rescued him from being a murder case to man slaughter? I cant remember his name either, those are the type of people we need, you are right, fearless and principled not these bootlickers , quacks ,and everything one would think of under the sun.

59. This case is still very much in court and I reserve my comments to the time when the Judgment will be given.

60. # 58, that was the late Judge Clever Musumali. He died as a result of a car accident many years ago.

61. Zambia needs her integrity back after its justice system has been mortgaged.I hope this circus will soon come to an end and bring sanity back to our judicial system.LPM being a lawyer should have done all in his power to strengthen our justice system and made it more efficient for cases to be done expeditiously.If it`s found out that the AG`s action of taking this case to a foreign court isn`t supported by the law ,then it will really be embarrassing not only to him but the entire nation.Let`s sit back and watch this fiasco play itself out.

62. Easy # 48. I was just reading about President Suharto. Suharto’s family fortune is estimated at US$15 billion, 9billion of which is alleged to have been deposited in an Australian bank. The family control 36,000Km squared of real estate in Indonesia including 100,000m squared of office space in Jakarta. He’s accused of embezzling US$571 of govt donations. Source Wikipedia.

63. #60 well done my dearest, Am sure easy has taken note.Otherwise how have you been?you should not miss the next cabinet meeting to be held in January 2008, you diarise that date.We must strategise for 2011.We dont want to be singing the same chorus , same verse and same hymn book we want to look at alterantive choir,it should either be Tenor like Pavalotti or jazz not the Mampi and JK music.

64. #59 M. Daka you have such a celebrated memory.
    I am sure you remember the eccenric duo on the bench Claver Musumali and Kabazo Chanda.
    I remember Judge Musumali lambasting Sebastian Size Zulu who was the defence counsel in the case, and telling him that he was behaving in such ann unreliable manner due to the crumbs he had recieved from his master’s billions meanin KK.

    Later the duo lost favour with the new MMD government
    and their careers ended in tears

65. #41 Iwe ka KUKU
    I use twigs of the muchenja tree to wash my teeth(Better than even colgate herbal tooth paste). When it comes to fish, I only eat dry fish from Luangwa river. I dont eat fish from the luapula river or lake mweru because those areas are perannual sources of Cholera.The citizens there defeacate in the same water.

    It is you we must warn for selling those things like Jiggies and fake juices which contain coloring agents like cormosine and sunset yellow which are hazardous to health

66. #65 Have you seen the amount of traffic of donors going to liverpool(Luapula)?Those billions of donor funds-FInida-K52bn, British(DFID)-K165bn,why?My friend everything from there is 1st grade quality that is why so much is being invested there.Cholera is not there anymore but has become perenial in Kanyama there next to your residence, so what can you tell me?Have you stopped buying Kapenta or Luangwa fish from Soweto Market? That is why I want you to tell your uncle chuchu to pay attention to the Shangai Joe’s he wants to bring, the clinics in Lusaka give drugs with chinese languages and you govt is just watching,when are you going to wake up?ARVs are contaminated,measles you have no money for vaccines and want WHO to fund part of $500,000 cost,ndimwe bantu babwanji ba MMD?

67. #66 KUKU.Nachinkalipasana pali eyi K1.9 Trillion(more than hali a bllion usa) aba abanyamata ba vyetele.Please include this on the agenda of the next cabinet meeting in jan 2008.#63Mwentungulushi Zambia elefwaya abakuyilibula.Nathan Nyirenda alimba kale.

68. #67 Its only that you didnt see this when Pasted it under one blogs,in as much as it is a reconciliation problem ,very little will be salvaged from this exercise most of it has been plundered under the guise of errorneous accounting.If you walk around Ndola Central hospital its pathetic and yet some one is busy crying ati ‘we are not children’iwe how can you not be children when recently you went begging for their resources, if you are not children then you are adults with no brains

69. #66 Iya you see noe KUKU despite you Luapulans supporting Chiluba in his plunder cases he did not develope or even give some change to his kinsmen in Luapula.

    It has to take Levy to try and accelerate development in Luapula. The donors are equally concerned.

    Yesterday as I drove past the high court in the morning I saw droves of poverty stricken adults holding banners upside down saying abash to the London Judgement.These were hired crowds.

    I overhead one saying to another
    ” busye kinsi belafwaili ukubika kafupi mukifungo?” the friend answered” Yewe, abati alikana ikusitisya abangelesi imikoti”

70. #69.CITIZEN.I think that this isn`t about people from Luapula supporting FTJ but protecting our integrity as a nation.I personally do not support any corrupt practices FTJ is allegedly been accused of, but wish to defend Zambia`s integrity.I `m sure you know that LPM has alot of cases that he`ll have to answer as well and if they next hand picked guy does the same.We`ll passionately defend the integrity of our nation and push for such cases to be tried by our Judiciary.

71. Ms. Daka #59 thank you for reminding many how a judge should look like and behave. Judge Clever Musamali was a man we miss him. Can we have someone like him on the crops of judges we have. In such case which are of national interest the task should not be left to one person. Or its only the surpreme court where all judges seat together. I have enjoyed to read the postings I just hope we are not children ourselves because we seem not to agree which cause should the case take. Some bloggers are surprising they are like what they what Tongas call Chapya koku. stop eating fish from Luapula you get blind eat fish from Kariba Dam you become wise.

72. #70
    Sorry ba Chapi I was as usual jesting with my tribal cousin KUKU.Please dont wear your boxing gloves, I am sorry. This is a case of taking Chimbuya too far

73. #70.CITIZEN.Cheers my bro.My apologies….

74. Chapi #70, please fight for UTHs integrity too. Dont let your hero be treated in SA.

75. #69 wansekesha you have made my day, hahahahahaha,with the last sentence,nomba imwe the only development you have now are VCT’s why? Can you shade some light, in chipangali its VCT, katete, its VCT is this your major in the East? Did you see that man in the post was attacked by two girlfriends on pay day? No wonder VCT centres have taken its toll.And you have more guest houses and lodges than any other province ,does this explain the reason for multi purpose VCT centres? Iam still laughing

76. #70. Point taken. We will deal with Kafupi now! And if there is any evidence against LPM we will definitely deal with him at an appropriate time!There is no hiding! Kafupi was tried in England because that is were the money trail is. They keep records of any pound or pence that enters or leaves the UK. It is not like your backward country were you dont even know the number of civil servants you have. You will defend the “integrity of our nation” lol! Chiluba is a thief!

77. #74.HEY.Finally somebody is getting my message.If you`ve read my comments,this is what I have been passionately pushing.Pump resources in our health care facilities like UTH,there would be no need for these evacuations.LPM,VJ,FTJ and and anybody else(VIP) shouldn`t be evacuated but treated locally.The only difference between UTH and Morningside Clinic is the equipment.Personnel wise UTH is even superior and this my friend is a fact coz I used to work at Morningside.You do that, then our integrity will slowly start being restored.

78. Indeed, The dribbler dribbled himself by depositing personal money into ZAMTROOP account in the UK. Sangwa and Simeza, job well done. Keep defending your messiah and confusing the masses. Your days are numbered.

79. I Think the lesson to learn from the FTJ LPM fiasco is that our justice system is in shambles. I know Half backed Malila was in a harry to please his appointing officers by coming up with London civil case.What is suprising is that FTJ’s case has been going on for more than 5 years. Even if HBM (AG)started reading the Zambian law from page 1 he could have finished by now. Folks a case of such magnitude which will raise sovereignty issues should have been well reaserched. HBM should have turned the law books upside down just to make sure there was a legal precedence in what he was doing. How can the AG claim to be ambushed? I still maintain HBM must go. I think the call for adjournment was designed to twist the judges arm. But this is an issue of legality and if Sangwa is right, we still have another 5 years before the issue is settled. Ms Daka friday 13th. Lets revisit the issue.

80. I waited to hear the contributions on this blog. Well all I can say is that this case is becoming interesting. Now the learned lawyers appear not to know what to do. “Ambushed” is thekeyword. The guy didnt know that there were these issues to be dealt with. Tubena Sangwa twaume. Somebody on this blog said the case is just beginning. From the look of things there is more to it than just simple registration as widely publicised by the govt spokesperson and the learned intern layer Fred M,membe. The problem is that pipo thoght John and Simeza were not thinking. Here we are. Still more to it. In the quest to force registration against the law, more mistakes will be made and it will appear that indeed the judgement is fraudulently secured.

81. The Marriage Act (Chapter 50 of the Laws of Zambia)
    (b) having contracted a marriage under this Act, during the continuance of such marriage contracts a marriage in accordance with African customary law; shall be guilty of an offence and liable on conviction to imprisonment for a period not exceeding five years: Singongo is guilty here by approaching the aunt in customary law. He should have kept quite. Mr. Chiller you a Tonga and you that this not acceptable in many cultures.. Dr.HK with you rtheotics pilz come and get these to Holland we dont need them here they are a disgrace. For you everything is normal doc. No wonder you are selling organs of other without their approval

82. #71 Easy I didnt know that you are tribalist.

    #69 Citizen iyi topic yama seroius, not ifyacibuya, grow up yong man?

    I think ba SC(chuchu) besu tayapaka, elo malemema (momerise) sana kusukulu. I told you before ati amateurs are handling case yaba FTJ abakaele te? Lets wait and see ukotuleya.

    Kuku, thanks for assisting my worker Stuffnurse Astrida Tembo with balancing books. Ala ulimwaume Kuku, next week ndepula ndoligan. I will give you my new cell number.

83. #71 Easy I didnt know that you are tribalist.

    #69 Citizen iyi topic yama seroius, not ifyacibuya, grow up yong man?

    I think ba SC(chuchu) besu tayapaka, elo balemema (momerise) sana kusukulu. I told you before ati amateurs are handling case yaba FTJ abakaele te? Lets wait and see ukotuleya.

    Kuku, thanks for assisting my worker Stuffnurse Astrida Tembo with balancing books. Ala ulimwaume Kuku, next week ndepula ndoligan. I will give you my new cell number.

84. #83 panono apo BaJoze, you have a wonderful management team, I wish Chuchu can learn something from your company, small but efficient,effective and very innovative.I remember the words by that Irish ambassador who came for Kawambwa Tea last weekend when I was in Lusaka,she had this to say about StaffNurse Astrida :

    “A happy person is not a person in a certain set of circumstances, but rather a person with a certain set of ATTITUDES”

    BaJoze these are not simple words coming from a foreign digantory, well done and keep it up.Ingamwapula Ndoligan we need to go to Mindolo Dam to strategise about chuchu no munankwe money Muzulu indukis Banda

85. Ba Jose #83, Is it likely that once Maila thinks through he will argue that the registration process is NOT for the interest of the accused. And that what matter (to him) is whether the high court registered the judgement and it bears the seal of the high court of zambia.
    My view is that Sangwa and his friends have a point but they are actually questioning the integrity of the high court which accepted to register without proper procedure.The onus was on them to reject Mailas request…in which case he could have come back with the necessary papers.
    Lets wait and see…..

86. #85 Sangwa is not questioning the integrity of the court. The question of judicial due process comes into perspective here. The law of Zambia clearly stipulates that for a foreign judgement to be registered in the high court of Zambia there has to be a mutual agreement between Zambia and the adjudicating court country of jurisdiction. Such an agreement should be enfoced in both countries. Which means Margaratt Thatcher can be sued in Zambia and if found guity the case can be registered in UK for enforcement. That my friends is a pipe dream. We all know our judicial system has been brough into disrepute by such acts. Malila should be fired regardless of the judgement. He is inept to the core. One would think his job is to understand the law of Zambia.

87. U-23 Algeria 2: Egypt 1. #82 Ba Joze Iam not a tribalist I was just answeing the question people asked me. If I tell Chiller that is Tonga then I dont mean to be tribalist but just answering his question as well.

88. A CASE BEING PUSHED BY THE POST IN ORDER TO SELL THE PAPER. A MOVE BY THE AG TO PLEASE THE POST FORGETTING TO RESEARCH AND DO THE HOMEWORK. AFTER THE AG’S “ABASHED” THE POST DOES NOT PUT THE STORY AS MAIN HEADLINE, CLEARLY UNDERPLAYED. CORRUPTION IS BAD AND SHOULD BE FAUGHT AT EVERY LEVEL, BUT THIS SHOULD BE DONE ACCORDING TO LED DOWN RULES OF LAW. WHICHEVER SIDE THE BALL FALLS, SOMETHING COOKY HAS BEEN PRACTICED BY THE POST AND SC LPM AND THE GOVE.

89. Kuku 75, i agree with on the eastern power too VCT and good kaboyi’s mumayanda ya ba mwenye- indians. Yesterday i was look for a job and a indian man told that if am from eastern province will get a job at his friend’s as kabonyi. Since from the northern power he couldn’t get me the kabonyi job.A bena Kuku is this not akapatulula from our friends ku eastern province?Is kabonyi’s only from the eastern province.Please we all want to work for the indian’s and muzungu’s

90. Kuku help. which trable has more kaboyi in zambia?

91. Sokolo i have the answer for you . It is the bembe’s.
    The there called cholaboyi

92. Gentlemen, have you heard in Poland the agriculture Minister on monday steped down because of corruption chargesto pave way for investigations. He is also leader of the coalition party. He has given the Govt until Friday to concluded their findings or else his part will pull out of governement. So you why in Zambia do you want to keep pipo in public and party position where they are in court. Can you imagine if these person has an influencial position. Is because the pipo like Saki they want to save their friends pantu they were together ku kululu.

93. Kuku is Zambia ready for a Zambian president like the Liberian one. Who can these women can we indentify them. You know can be touch decision makers look at our churches who is leading them? Or is it correct to say women´s responsibilitiy are the three CCCs- chicken, children and church. Or can they also make career to another C to CVs. If judge Banda fails to conclude the case of Friday the 13th will he give it to a woman judge who punish all the plunders including Malila who has misused public funds. Meanwhile Chiluba was seen relaxing at kukus restraunant in Ndola whilst waiting for the adjournment of his wifes case Regina. They are now planing to make their use holidays in south africa at Morningside hotel using govt funds. The only disappointing moment was when Helen Chiluba look for his Dady at Mindolas Main Masala asking for school fees she told my daughter Iam bankrupt cant you see all the money have been take by Sangwa and Simeza for telling lies about me in London court.

94. Ba Jose please ask your friends Bman #89, 90 to stop using chimbuya as you did for citizen #69.
    Citizen, you did not need to apologise, you were right on.
    89,90 are only confirming that even indians dont trust them due to their long fingers.
    Kaboyis as a job will always be there and i think the eastern uneducated people should be happy to dominate it. Its you thieves who should be sad that you cant be trusted.
    of course educated eastern people are in better jobs!

95. Kaboyi kwi kata amafi ne fimina and kabwalala is
    to make more money.Chiyenge.com, Malenga.com.
    Ba kabwa lala ni mwe,RENGO PHIRI 90 million and
    all he got was chitubuwa.

96. #94 Nsimbi,I think Bemba man is ok and he just want to express his feeling on ngonis and their prominent jobs they like ” Kaboyi” Bman continue sending artillery to eastern.

97. #96 you Ba Joze you have not answered my question what made you term me tribalist. You have been again hiding where were you. Pipo are run mad they need more Rufqua Books. Is FTJ gone? He wants to meet VJ at Morningside clinic

98. the fact is that state advocates are never ready for court always adjourning and it reflects in the ag.always adjourning to respond to the plaintiffs submissions. and how can he say that he was ambushed this is not a criminal matter it is a civil matter no surprises remember and the state you were served with the documents and had an opportunity to peruse nomba you see public law yakwikata. too much private practice. why wasnt a more experienced person made ag like sunday nkonde is it because they are the same mkowa na ftj explain even the complexions

    anyway come friday 13 we shall see how they respondto the reciprocal arrangements submissions .where was the presidents legal advisor all this time.the statute is clear a statutory order has to be made although it is permissive and not mandatory.

    we can never see our judgements being enforced in the uk and that act is archaic and inconsistent with the society we live in.it served the injustices of the colonial era .

99. #98 can you explain the difference between Dr. Chanda and Dr.Chiluba? Are they not both Zambians and who committeed an offence why did you fight for Dr. Chanda to be tried in Zambia? Now you are complaining to for FTJ and others being tried in UK. What is so special about our elder shortie? This is a man was cause much misery in families of Zambians at a time was supposed to help, it was during this period Zambians needed help especially in health sector. What did the old man do he fighted all educated personal not releasing that one he will be on the operation table himself. Man was just power drunk that is he has earned himself so many names, Baushi Toto, Ftj, Titus, Nkonde, Jacob, Master dribbler, Chiluba, friderick, Mpondú, Kafupi, eloquenter. I have never seen such a person with so many names like FTJ.

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