Thursday, January 30, 2025

Election divided Zambia more than before- Catholic bishops

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Zambia Episcopal Conference president Bishop George Lungu flanked by Father Peter Henriot addressing journalists on recently held presidential election in Lusaka
Zambia Episcopal Conference president Bishop George Lungu flanked by Father Peter Henriot addressing journalists on recently held presidential election in Lusaka

The recent presidential by-election won narrowly by Rupiah Banda exposed glaring weaknesses in the Zambian electoral process, Catholic bishops said.

The election, following the death of President Levy Mwanawasa, has left the country more divided than before, the bishops said in a pastoral statement issued on Sunday. They warned that, ‘If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.’ (Mark 3:24).

As in previous elections, the prelates said, the pattern of voting on October 30 was along very partisan, regional and tribal lines. “We now appear more divided and polarized, as a nation, than we were before multi-partyism was re-introduced in 1991. This state of affairs is worrying and should not be allowed to continue.”

While commending the people for voting peacefully, the bishops expressed concern about the high level of apathy – only 43 percent of the voters bothered to cast their ballots, compared to 70 percent in 2006.

Voter apathy is partly the result of thinking that one’s vote does not count. It is also due to the public perception of alleged irregularities in the conduct of elections, the bishops said. “Our message to all Zambians is: Never get tired of voting, as your apathy will only deny you the choice of your preferred candidate.”

Bribery and other forms of corrupt practices were used to induce votes during the campaigns, the bishops said, and warned that the vices were increasingly being seen as normal during election campaigns.

The bishops called for continuous voter registration in accordance with a law that was passed in 2001, but which has never been implemented. They also proposed far-reaching electoral reforms to enhance credibility of national elections in Zambia before the next polls in 2011.

The bishops urged the new government to ensure that a new Constitution is in place by the end of 2009, at the latest.

They also said they were available to facilitate reconciliation between leaders of political parties. The opposition presidential contender Michael Sata who lost narrowly to President Banda rejected the results.

171 COMMENTS

  1. Well observed bishop, if the trend is not checked, I can forsee chaos and each one kuyamba kuyenda kwao for fear of being exterminated. Remember Rwanda.

  2. I now know why pipo like saying nambala 1, its the shortest comment. Now whoever is going to divide this country will have a big task at hand, firstly, as Zambians we have broken the marriage barriers of marrying only from your tribe. Right now we have inter marriages dating as far back as 1960s and also we have settled anywhere in Zambia as long as it Zaqmbian soil. So this division will be huge task. One should calculate the cost.

  3. #7 exactly when people are divided on ideology it doe not mean that we cannot drink from the same place. US is divided into two democrats and republicans, so what. At the same time political parties have a responsibility of advising their members what the implications of democracy are.

  4. Before attempting to find solutions to the divisions that are so apparent now in our country, we need to first identify the cause. The cause and effect relationship. I understand that we are a christian nation, harnessed the blessings that come with intermarriages, embrassed our ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION, settled anywhere in Zambia regardless of your tribe(s)etc. One would think we are very unlikely to yield to seeds of division. But the writting is very clear on the wall, Zambia is very divided especially on tribal lines. What has gone wrong?

  5. WHO HAS DIVIDED ZAMBIA?
    A. POLITICIANS
    B. TRIBALIST LIVING IN TOWNS (CB, LUSAKA)
    C. SATA
    D. MMD
    E. LUSAKA TIMES USERS

    INNOCENT PEOPLE
    A. ALL PEOPLE IN RURAL AREAS (READERS, PEOPLE IN ALL THE SEVEN PROVINCES ARE MORALLY GOOD, ONLY USELESS PEOPLE WHO HAD A SHARE OF CHILUBA’S LOOT AND NOW THEY WANT TO ENJOY AGAIN. THE SO CALLED TRIBALISM WAS STARTED BY SATA AND HIS FRIENDS IN 1997. THIS SATA EVEN TRAINED KADOBI, NSANDA, NAKAWALA TO BEAT PEOPLE. SATA WAS QUIET WHEN THEY USED TO RIG ELECTIONS WITH CHILUBA. NOW I AM VERY VERY HAPPY THAT THIS CHAP LOST. VJ PLEASE KEEP UP. I WILL NEVER FORGIVE SATA FOR THE CHAWAMA SAGA. I WAS CAUGHT IN THE FRACUS. THIS CHAP WILL NEVER EVER RULE ZAMBIA

  6. i agree 100%. i think this is where 50+1% is required, or that a party cannot form govt unless it has atleast 50+1% seats in parliament. good observation by the bishops!!!

  7. #9, basic question, why is it that tribe only becomes a factor when applied in politics, what is wrong with me being a bemba and voting for michael sata, yet when i am marrying the first question i am asked is that what tribe is she, because the ngoni’s have certain cultures that we need to understand. So this tribe thing is just being perpetuated by politicians for their owl selfish ends, otherwise we are divided into 73 ethnic groups and there is nothing wrong with that. South Africa has 11 official languages we have 8 including english.

  8. THAT IS IT……..MMD HAS DIVIDED THE PIPO PERIOD….LET US DO THE AMERICAN WAY IF POSSIBLE…. EACH PRESIDENT MUST HAVE A PRELIMINARY VOTE FROM THE 9 PROVINCES BEFORE THE FINAL ONE… OTHERWISE 50+ IS WELLCOME…. 72 TRIBES IS TOO HUGE TO PUT TOGETHR ONCE IT CRUMBLES.WE NEED A NATIONAL COUNCIL COMPRISING ALL THE PROVINCES OTHERWISE THE CABINET MUST BE FROM ALL THE 9 PROVINCES AND NOT THE FAMILY TREESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

  9. #12, John Chinena, Liteta,
    I do agree with you that politicians or rather politics is a major culprit in dividing our people. As a people, we need to refuse to be divided by a small minority of people for their selfish motives. It is prudent for us to first identify leaders that are more unifying. Again, another problem is that a majority of our people worship the leaders who are supposed to be servants of the people. When you hero-worship a leader, it is impossible to demand quality service. We need to reach a stage where the people call the shots and not the politicians. Its a very complex issue!

  10. Never bury your head in sand and think thing are okey, right now this country is divided on tribal lines. the only provinces which are cosmopolitan are copperbelt and lusaka where people vote base on issues. infact if you are to be fair if you are accepted on these to provinces that means you command large following. it is not easy to cheat these from cb and lusaka. infact these two provinces are the uniting facts in zambia even before independence. these two province look beyond colour and tribe it the content of the leader.

  11. The solution to the zambian problem is coming up
    with a new Election board not ECZ. ECZ was formed
    by MMD and its headed by a shushushu.Can anything
    good come from such a commission. Infact when they
    rig the are just fullfilling their mandate.
    Come up with a commission which will be non partisan
    and independent from the government of the day. How
    can people be encouraged to vote when they have lost
    confidence in the electrol system.A ballot is better
    than a bullet. We have choosen the ballot because we
    want peace but dont take the zambian people for granted.

  12. RB STARTED THIS BY FURTHERING THE DIVISION THAT CHILUBA & THE LATE STARTED WHEN HE TOLD HIS SUBJECTS SO CALLED ”DIFILLERS” NOT TO ENTERTAIN THE OTHER TRIBESMEN TO GO IN HIS PROVINCE…THIS WAS ABSURD NONSENSE COMING FROM THIS MAN…. COME 2011 U WILL SEE THIS INJURY…………SOMETHING QUICK MUST BE DONE BEFORE THAT..

    I CAN ONLY SUGGEST THAT THE ECZ BE MADE ATONOMOUS AND BE ANSWERABLE TO THE PIPO—-PARLIAMENT — INCLUDING THE JUDICIALLY AND POLICE AND ABOVE ALL ZNBC MUST BE SOLD PERIOD. NO GVT OR TAX PAYERS RESOURCES TO BE USED BY ANYONE DURING COMPAIGNS.

  13. There will always be substance to the ‘ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION’. I’m married to a Ngoni dude whose parents have settled peacefully far from there province. These are the fruits of the KK era. But today though we’re in fruit season, Zambian politics yes have become tribalistic because ‘frogs’ during the one party elections never had a tribe and the slogan was unifying because we had no choice but to vote KK.

  14. Why not let people differ about their answers to the great mysteries of the Universe and life? unfortunately in our parts we differ on things that others have dealt with a long time…{TRIBE}. Let each seek one’s own way to the highest, to one’s own sense of supreme loyalty in life, one’s ideal of life. Let each philosophy, each world-view bring forth its truth and beauty to a larger perspective, that people may grow in vision, stature and dedication…Not ifii ifya pa Zed bwafya saana…

  15. #16 AND 19 U ARE GENIOUS,WHIZ KID,INTELLIGENT,THINK TANKS…. DID YOU HEAR THAT RB and yr minions…… We need to activate this for our gud of the next generation…….to avoid the ”roach and the hutu”catastrophy…. the message in these two think tanks is DONT TAKE THE PIPO OF ZAMBIA AND THERE INDEPENDENCE PEACE (NOT ECONOMICAL PEACE)FOR GRANTED….. what u plant today will have a bearing tomorrow…… pls burn the fields and re plant the gud seed fo 2morow……

  16. # 7 The man Kunde, always off mark.Read the topic and comment appropriately.Seems you are full of hate for no apparent reason.People are divided because of a partisan ECZ. In order to justify its action, ECZ gives the rural areas to Ruling Party, Southern to HH and Nothern to Sata. Simple minds think this is the normal scenario and hence start talking in those lines.

  17. no. 10 v.good 10 out of 10. lets identify the root cause of all these divisions in our beloved country. lets not at any time forget pipo who introduced this. they say the guilty are always afriad. we shall not sit back and look at things they way they are today. no, no.

  18. RB U HAVE NOTHING 2 LOSE BY JUST DOING WHAT THE THINK TANKS ARE ASKING FOR…..YOU WILL EMERGE THE HERO AT THE END OF THE DAY…IGNORE THOSE FOLLOWERS…THE MPOMBOS,KUNDAS,TETAS,MBITAS,VJ,MULONGOTISE,MBULAMANOSE,MUNKOMBWEZIS ETC …. YOU ONLY HAVE 3 YEARS REMEMBER SO JUST DO IT

  19. There are a lot of factors that have led to division in this country, post-elections…such as failure by the ECZ, The IG, The Military (Chisuzi), The ACC and ZNBC to conduct a free and fair election, this has led a lot of people to lose trust in all these organizations and individuals because they have shown their Partisan nature…Had these organizations operated Independently we would have been telling a different story today.. the issue of tribe has always been there even in the one Zambia one Nation days….not only in the political cycle but in other cycles as well…

  20. 24. Son of David

    Do not worry about that guy, he is too lazy to read and understand the article, hence his resolve to unfounded attacks on Sata…

  21. These stories of divisions are planted by our institutions like the Catholic bishops, Post etc. Once the gullible swallow them they become a belief and will lead to increased voter apathy. If the same bishops said the opposite we would still believe them. As a country we should be careful with negative comments which can destroy our Zed.

    If you look at election 2008 map in Zambia (Daily Mail 11-11-08) you see something sobering. It shows that the mmd seems to be the only party with national character and we all know this. Even in the strongholds of the opposition it does not mean that the mmd did not get any votes, they did otherwise they would not have won just with rural votes.

  22. The issue of ecz’s malpractise leaves much to be desired- there is need for a complete overhaul for this rather disappointing institute – lets act to save mother Zambia from disaster – its a shame that ecz can stand up and talk.

  23. the people who have divided Zambia are Tonga and Lozis period! I now invite your insults to rain on me but i dont care. SATA is the Man!

  24. i dont agree with no. 32 (sensible) you will understand that the bishops are only trying to give a sensible scenario on whats on the ground – be open minded and take a look on the wider picture – we need to be democratic – mmd ha failed us – its a bitter pill we have to swallow.To the bishops – well done – there’s no need to be afraid to speak the truth.

  25. We are divided because SATA keeps promising people things that are NEVER going to be done. As most of our people are desparate in life, they are willing to accept any promise even those they can see are not workable. So the PABWATOO nonsense keps creating tension among very innocent unsuspecting kaponyas. The solution is cage the Cobra and charge it for every inflammatory remark it utters so that our helpless kaponyas can go about their business without being disturbed into believing that there can be shortcuts to proper living.

  26. god im so disgusted by people who rush to post ati #1. do u ppl have lives at all? arent you supposed to be working insteading of peeling your eyes for the latest article on LT so u can be the first on the discussion board? kapena nikusajaela internet. maybe ni ya mahala elo mukali kubilimila. its so annoying when u scroll down to see what other intelligent zedians have to say and just find that some ngwele has just posted ati #1 and left. it so childish plis stop. benangu ndimwe bashi mwana olokuti mu beheva so.

  27. This thing of rigging is nauseating. How can you stereotype all the officers at ECZ? Can you put your hand on your heart and honestly believe that all the officers and employees in ECZ are mmd, shushushu or whatever? And there is nobody there who sympathises with pf or upnd so that they can reveal how rigging was done? Come on Zambians there was no loser in the last elections. We just have a new president that’s all. Whether pf, mmd, upnd let’s all join hands and get on with national (not partisan) challenges, starting with mealie meal.

  28. 37.Tiya ndi Tiyazana

    The common dogma [of fundamentalists] is fear of modern knowledge, inability to cope with the fast change in a scientific-technological society, and the real breakdown in apparent moral order in recent years…. That is why hate is the major fuel, fear is the cement of the movement, and superstitious ignorance is the best defense against the dangerous new knowledge. … When you bring up arguments that cast serious doubts on their cherished beliefs you are not simply making a rhetorical point, you are threatening their whole Universe and their immortality. That provokes anger and quite frequently violence. … Unfortunately you cannot reason with them and you even risk

  29. we will not insult you but instead forgive you for you do not know that insultings is a sin. we are matured and we only want to find the root cause and find an end to all these divisions in zambia. if you are bemba/ngoni thank God i am Tonga and thats Gods wish but iam married to a bemba (ushi) from luapula.

  30. #41 ContZ….

    violence in confronting them. Their numbers will decline only when society stabilizes, and adapts to modernity…

    do not be blinded by your hatred, that goes for the rest of you who hate people because of their tribe or because they hold a different opinion from yours….

    VIVA ONE ZAMBIA!!!

  31. no.34
    i was replying to what you have said. lets pray for a different zambia not accusing each other for things you are not sure about.

  32. This election was a battle of the TITANs its the first election where the traditional cousins bembas and nyanjas or easterners where split,the Lozis and Tonga had there split prio to 2006. thus its even resonable to say they might not come together again. This indeed has created divisions but i think its very good for democracy because no two will combine and outnumber the whole country. the political playfied has now been leveld for as long as these groups dont unit on tribal cousinship. for me its a positive development because anyone from any tribe has now got a chance to be president if he can have workeable alliances

  33. The Fraud star that called himself a political engineers is responsible for the mess we in. This ka chap claims he has a masters but he claimed to have A levels before going to state house. How did he find time to study with a presidential schedule on his hands.
    Kafupi has been a cheat through out his life and a master rigger. He is now posing in public with KK1 What a shameless thief!!!!!

  34. Did u know..Chocolate can kill dogs-it directly affects their heart and nervous system.Try it on your pet if u think am joking

  35. Big culprits are TONGAs, LOZIs & BEMBAs. Useless tribes, thank GOD im not one of them.continue fighting each other bangwele.

  36. #36 malax. Thanks for your comment. But tell me, if you have rubbished everybody including international monitors, whose opinion are the four opposing parties going to accept? The catholic bishops are conveniently silent on the impact of the Post’s negative and clearly biased running commentaries on voter apathy and yet this should be a major factor to be considered by any local opinion makers. Malax, those catholic bishops are (supposed to be) among the cream of intellectual thinking, but they chose to give you and me a narrow opinion. Do not believe whatever is said just cos they are bishops, they can also be guided by you and me.

  37. 49. and 51. KINGCOBRA

    Word of advise,

    Wise men talk because they have something to say; f00ls, because they have to say something and hey ‘Tis better to be silent and be thought a f00l, than to speak and remove all doubt…please take heed I am only out for you my friend!

  38. #35 Kingcobra, you must have gone kuku. y can’t you watch your ass before commenting if you don’t have anything to put accross. u dead minded chap.

  39. #34 and #50 I wonder what type of human beings you are. Dont you know that you are dividing Zambia more by your careless utterances. Learn to embrass each other and refrain from attacking other tribes.

  40. #34 How can you say Tongas and Lozis have divided Zambia? Afterall you Bembas mwalitemwa, you will never speak any other language apart from yo chibemba. You think you are more intelligent than other tribes when you are just lazy thieves inchito kulandalanda

  41. Lozis and Tongas are higly responsible for this division because none of their people has ever ruled zambia and to make matters worse,it doent look like they will even after 100yrs.

  42. #62 i think its better you just stick to british politics,you know nothing about zambian politics,are you a fortune teller to predict that ZAMBIA WILL NEVER BE RULED BY A TONGA OR A LOZI,TELL ME DID U PREDICT THAT AMERICA WUD ONE DAY BE RULED BY A BLACK MAN

  43. That’s a fact. The clergy have touched a row nerve for some on this blog such that we can witness the same here. I identify myself as a Bemba (half Mwisa) but if I were to vote I would have vote on principles rather than tribe. Tutemba parties are spoiling our democracy. UPND would have been a better option if the other provinces voted for them. We are indeed divided. Don’t accuse Tonga or Lozi when the whole nation reflect tribal/regional tendencies during the polls. We need parties that have a manifesto and candidates elected by their parties through a national convention and not personal to holder parties that crumbles with their masters. We need new blood in Zambia politics.

  44. Abash bembas, Tongas and Lozis but sata nizee. #50 love the truth hurts,thus why chakubaba cause thus the fact and pliz dont touch mwana wa muzungu GUY Scot. maestro, how is Hakaivotera Humwine today? Sata is doing great man i dont know about RB.

  45. “As in previous elections, the prelates said, the pattern of voting on October 30 was along very partisan, regional and tribal lines. “We now appear more divided and polarized, as a nation, than we were before multi-partyism was re-introduced in 1991. This state of affairs is worrying and should not be allowed to continue.””

    Awa alo mwaamba kabotu.

  46. ‘Voter apathy is partly the result of thinking that one’s vote does not count. It is also due to the public perception of alleged irregularities in the conduct of elections, the bishops said. “Our message to all Zambians is: Never get tired of voting, as your apathy will only deny you the choice of your preferred candidate.”’

    True, I think.

  47. “Bribery and other forms of corrupt practices were used to induce votes during the campaigns, the bishops said, and warned that the vices were increasingly being seen as normal during election campaigns.”

    What is the difference between giving villagers sugar and giving a dancer money in full view of people during a campaign period?

    Only president HH and the UPND Team seems not to indulged himself in any unbecoming activity during the campaign period.

  48. My Bishops, first and foremost I must declare that I am catholic and that I am very proud of the informed positions you have always taken in politics of our country.
    With regard to the points my Bishops have raised on the just ended Presidential elections, I totaly agree with them but wish to add that as catholics we should be more pro-active in promoting voter paticipation through our Christian communities and help to swell voter participation percentages.

  49. #10, ZAMBIA, I like your comments. However, I am ready to forgive that undereducated leader and owner of his party if he acknowledges that he is using tribalism to divide Zambia as he has done on telling us that ba-Chiluba brought rigging to Zambia though he has not told us that he is sorry to have participated in the allegations of rigging that he has issued especially that he served in the MMD Government that he is now accusing.

  50. Every democratic election ends up polarising a nation. Even the US has been polarised by the recent presidential election. So this is not perculiar to zambia.

  51. Its so sad for the country to be divided after elections, this was the seed which was sown by the Chiluba regime, we are now harvesting what he had planted. May GOD bless Chiluba and his MMd party of corrupt recycled politicians.

  52. These Catolica men are known PF supporters so I can’t take their guidance ‘seriously’. What division are you talking about? If Sata had won you would’nt be saying the same! Obviously people have their preferences; Southerners will always support HH, NW & Western will never vote PF and CB, LSK seem to be Psycho Mata’s strong holds. Would you call that ‘divided’ or simply regional voting patterns.

  53. C’mon, even in the US, you have red, blue & swing states. What divisions are these priests talking about? Obama managed to sway a few states in his favour but truth is, there are some states that would never vote for democrats (not in this lifetime). That’s not to say America is ‘divided’. Hence Zambia is NOT divided! Yes, urbanites have genuine frustrations which RB will need to figure out but ultimately regional voting patterns are a grim reality we just have to live with.

  54. It is true the country is now more divided than ever. Sata for Bembas, HH for Tongas and RB for easterners. The voting was wako ni wako very discouraging.

  55. People, lets remind ourselves that our democracy is young and developing. What the church is calling “division” may not be as bad as they put it. Voting on party lines, tribal, regional is very normal in a democracy. What these political parties are supposed to do is to carry a message that is appealing to all Zambians regarless of tribe, region or party affiliation. We don’t seem to receive that kind of a message from our politicians as result people base thier voting decision on tribe, party or region they come from. Zambians are very peaceful and in my opinion we are not divided as per se.
    I wish the church could revisit thier assessment and look at it from a democratic point of view

  56. #82,patnam, I quite disagree with your “It is true the country is now more divided than ever. Sata for Bembas, HH for Tongas and RB for easterners. The voting was wako ni wako very discouraging.”
    My take is that #85, Zambian, has hit the nail on its head in his “SATA and the POST NEWS PAPER are drivers of tribalism”.Those who voted for president Hakainde Hichilema and President RB Banda are people who think about what Zambia really needs while those who voted for the undereducated and unelected leader of his personal party did it for tribal reasons for just his participation in the election with the POST’s opinion polls briefly affected the economy.The man is simply unsafe or fit for Zed.

  57. #86 continued in clarification on ‘The man is simply unsafe or fit for Zed.’It must read “The man is simply un-safe/-fit for Zed.” This means that the man is a menace and is not fit to be Zambian President. The earlier most of our Bemba fellow Zambians realise that Zambian needs development the better. Also, when most hero-worshippers of the POST will become independent Zambian thinkers and not brainwashed individuals, we will move forward in a real positive direction. In 2001, the Northern Zambia failed Zambia as a Nation and Country by rejecting late Mazoka due to the fact that Mazoka was Tonga by Tribe generally. Now, the Undereducated together with his imagebuilders are using Bemba Tri.

  58. #87, Mugungulu H. Mwaanga continued.
    …Now, the Undereducated together with his Imagebuilders and Mouthpiece are using Bemba Tribalism to divide the Nation. Why must someone produce FAKE statistics that Bemba People form 46% of the Zambian population while Tongas are only 17% and then shortly afterwards that some characters puts a Bemba Presidential candidate as a possible winner with 46% with his follower in performance at 31% and then a Tonga one at 20% or so? The same character is on record for propelling a debate to discuss Bemba as a National Language.This is proof enough that only one Tribe in Zambia is trying to divide the Nation probably because they think they are superior to all.

  59. #86 Mugungulu H. Mwaanga,
    Over 85% of the votes HH got where from Southern province only.At least RB and Sata had a good percentage of their their votes spread out in most of the provinces.Now who is the driver of tribalism?

  60. what is best, insiting division or preach love!! twakana twakana fwebena zambia.. we are a unitewd nation sorrrr faza!!!!!

  61. BA ZAMBIA MULI BABUFI.

    TRIBALISM WAS CONSOLIDATED DURING LEVY’S ERA. HE WAS THERE SAYING IT IN PUBLIC. AS HEAD OF STATE HE WOULDN’T HAVE DONE THAT. HE WENT TO THE EXTENT OF NAMING TRIBES LIKE THE BEMBAS. HE BEMBAS ARE THIEVES. BUT I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE NO THIEVES WERE HE CAME FROM. SOMETIMES I USED TO WONDER AS TO WHAT TYPE OF A HIMAN BEING OUR PRESIDENT WAS. HE IS THE ONE WHO DIVIDED ZAMBIA IF I WERE TO BE FAIR. HE EMPHASISED TOO MUCH ON TRIBES. EVEN HIS APPOINTMENTS WERE BASED ON TRIBES. I REMEMBER ONE TIME WHEN HE WENT TO SOUTHERN PROVINCE HE SAID HE HAD GIVEN THEM THEIR MBUYA NOT ANY OTHER TRIBE AS THEIR PROV.MINISTER/PERMANENT SECRETARY. THIS LEFT MUCH TO BE DESIRED.

  62. #89, Independent, your wrote “#86 Mugungulu H. Mwaanga, Over 85% of the votes HH got where from Southern province only.At least RB and Sata had a good percentage of their their votes spread out in most of the provinces.Now who is the driver of tribalism?” and what is the problem with that since we need a President with a majority number of votes in light of the NCC deliberations on 50 + 1 % votes if president Hakainde Hichilema was the best candidate in the election especially that he was the only one who even signed the SOCIAL CONTRACT FORMS that were present to all the 4 Presidential Aspirants at that time.Now, I will go into calculation of the past election’s results due to your claims.

  63. #92, Bitwell, the Undereducated leader of his political party is the one who introduced tribalism in the MMD and now the whole of Zambia.

    Just ask him to apologise to the whole zambian NATION by telling us all in public and then show that he has repented by endorsing thr best candidate of the moment president Hakainde Hichilema for Zambian President in 2011 now and not in the future.

    Late LP Mwanawasa just found the tribalism in MMD which the undereducated started in the Chiluba Administration MMD. Nothing more and nothing less.

  64. BA ZAMBIA YOU ARE A TRIBALIST YOURSELF. YOU REALLY HATE SATA. BUT ONE THING YOU SHOULD KNOW IS THAT THIS MAN HAS WON MOST OF HEARTS OF MANY POOR ZAMBIANS WHO ARE THE MAJORITY. I WISH YOU WERE IN ZAMBIA AND COULD LISTEN TO RADIO CHENGELO. FR FRANK BWALYA ON RADIO CHENGELO WAS THE ONE GIVING RESULTS OF THE JUST ENDED PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. THEY HAVE THEIR RECORD OF RESULTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY THEY RIGGED I THINK THEY HAVE RESONS AND PROOF TO THEIR CLAIM. JUST A REMINDER ON SATURDAY, 15 NOVEMBER 2008 THERE WILL BE PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION BY ALL ZAMBIANS WHO PATRIOTS. GOOD EVENING MR ZAMBIA.

  65. #93 Mugungulu H. Mwaanga
    If a presidential candidate can win the confidence of the electorate in most of the provinces of the country,then tribalism should not be an issue for him/her.
    However if a majority of your votes are coming from one area in the country then the issue of tribalism or regionalism will forever haunt that candidate.That candidate will have to check his/her credentials as a national leader.

  66. MUNGULULU H MWAANGA I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU. TRIBALISM HAS NO BOUNDERIES. WHETHER ONE IS EDUCATED OR NOT IF THEY’RE TRIBALISTS THEY REMAIN LIKE THAT. LOOK AT UPND, THE TONGAS SAID UPND PRESIDENT SHOULD BE A TONGA. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY TONGAS ARE THEIR IN ZAMBIA? WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING THEY VOTE ON TRIBAL LINES. THAT IS WHY YOU FIND THAT IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR HH TO CONVINCE OTHER TRIBES IN OTHER PROVINCES. HERE ON THE COPPERBELT I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT HH DID TO LUANSHYA COPPER MINES PLC FROM 2000 TO 2004 WHEN HE WAS CEO OF GRANT THORNTON. NO ONE WILL FORGIVE HIM FOR THAT. THIS GENTLEMAN WILL NEVER RULE ZAMBIA, FOR YOUR OWN INFORMATION. NOT EVEN POPULA.

  67. #97,ISO 9000,
    The point is that HH has failed to carry the vision and national popularity that the late Anderson Mazoka had.HH has taken UPND in the wrong direction and so he has failed to appeal to most of the Zambian electorate as Mazoka did.

  68. Tribalism has always been agitated by the Bembas, just like the xenophobic violence in south africa, People fighting for jobs they are not qualified to do! Typical of Bembas, they say Tongas nibatulo just because on average compared to Bembas, tongas are more successful due to hard work. Bembas know how to talk, thats how come Sata is popular, and those without analysis believe him. Bembas have been well known to be thieves and crooks. Thats how even now most Pentes collecting money from poor people are from that side. So if you refuse to identify the agitators of this, then we shud just hibernate the topic

  69. #96,Independent,you wrote “If a presidential candidate can win the confidence of the electorate in most of the provinces of the country,then tribalism should not be an issue for him/her.However if a majority of your votes are coming from one area in the country then the issue of tribalism or regionalism will forever haunt that candidate.That candidate will have to check his/her credentials as a national leader” and let us take it as a good point for the sake of argument. hus next, we go to places where one doe not come from and check the pattern of voting Who was voted nicely in other provinces with people who are not related to him,the Undereducated or president HH?
    Im posting the results.

  70. #98, Bitwell, your “WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING THEY VOTE ON TRIBAL LINES. THAT IS WHY YOU FIND THAT IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR HH TO CONVINCE OTHER TRIBES IN OTHER PROVINCES. HERE ON THE COPPERBELT I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT HH DID TO LUANSHYA COPPER MINES PLC FROM 2000 TO 2004 WHEN HE WAS CEO OF GRANT THORNTON. NO ONE WILL FORGIVE HIM FOR THAT.” does not hold, but just wait I will post the full results of the elections.Tonga people vote for the educated, best and committed candidates and that is why president Hakainde Hichilema wins in the Southern Province PERIOD Even in Lusaka and elsewhere educated people who understand the UPND manifesto vote for HH because he is the best

  71. #100, independent, You may say that yes, if you just look at the result, but what are the causes? struggle for power thats the answer! If you remember very well Lubinda Sichinga and others started causing confusion just that time when Mazoka got sick, they wanted someone else to be president and they were already on the exit, its just that they thot Saki wud win the presidence but it didnt happen like that. Thats how these guys left and started negative publicity about HH just to destroy him and they succeeded to a certain extent. Thats exactly what you expect to happen if there is to be a convention in PF. What happened to that MP who wanted to challenge Sata? The mother’s hse was burnt!

  72. #101, Nakaala Mukwesu, i like your analysis “Tribalism has always been agitated by the Bembas, just like the xenophobic violence in south africa, People fighting for jobs they are not qualified to do! Typical of Bembas, they say Tongas nibatulo just because on average compared to Bembas, tongas are more successful due to hard work.”Tonga people are just educated and qualified for what they possess. In turn, even the analysis of a Tonga is way far much better than most Bemba People. E.g, a Bemba person will try to justify his tribalism by the analytical and educated voting pattern of wellmeaning and educated Tonga counterparts. How sad! Just stop being tribal,vote for the best non-Bemba.

  73. #100 ISO 9000,
    You have brought up the right issues because that is the very momment that UPND lost it’s bearings.Remember the comments made by Madyenkuku and Mwanajiti.What else can you call these people.I’m not saying that Saki would have been the best person for president.But I can confidently say that HH’s push for power signalled the end of UPND as a major player on the Zambian political arena.This is why UPND and HH are where they are now.

  74. I am Tonga #110 and so what? What tribe are you anyway? If you fail to answer, I will take it you are a coward Bemba.

  75. #110, I am the real Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, only that I am using my laptop now. I Change use of Desktops from time to time since there are many with me here.

    The names you see are my real names given to me by my family especially my late Grandmother who used to like calling me Mugungulu.

  76. you tonga dull cow dull bulll, what is education? you dont even know what education is. you should do development studies for you to understand, education cannot be compared to wisdom. solomon was not educated but he was wise, same as david, he was a shephered but king maker. now you wnat to talk education. kaunda was not a degree holder but he ruled. dont talk trash.educated pipo even mwanawasa was running on tribal and family tree..what nonses is education.

  77. a tonga will never be president for atleast next 15 years.
    next it will be western or northwestern because vice president will be appointed from here. in 2011 this persn will rule for 10 years, after that then tongas should think of hh but even then, i doubt it. they will remain sucking their cows ngombe illede…ha ha ha . i laugh at people who take things personal. relax, this is just life.
    the world is never too good for people who are straight, so be careful with it

  78. zambia is a one party state now. it will be mmd for sometime until an opposition can find a very vibrant and determined politician like sata. he may have his weaknesses but man the man can politick and win hearts and thats why at times mmd shakes when votes start tripping in. lets be relaistic. i am luvale myslef, i cant vite for sata but the man talks sense…. but for now i would rather say MMD FOR Life

  79. Tribalism tribalism!!rili dnt undastand sum pipo here hu refuse wat their upnd party said tht only a tonga cn be their presidnt,tht was a low blow to their own party,and i hope they corect it,bt it seems they ar nt even trying.as 4 bembas being tribal,its a 50/50,Mazoka was a nationalist and won in places lyk lsk and faird wel on cbelt,were the population is cosmopolitan.

  80. #113, Anonymous, you are anonymuos because of being a coward. The most interesting thing is that “coward hyena lives longer” as per the old adage.

    Get this thing clear, whether a Tonga will not be Zambian President or will never at all be in this Earth’s history does not concern me. As long as Zambia has an educated leader that is fine.

    On the Jews or Hebrew people you are refering to, the had education which they received from the Rabbies. This is why Sameul is a very interesting case in the Holy Bible. Also, check how the Rabbies where amazed at my Christ Jesus’ intelligence when they knew he was never instructed by any of them rabbies. Please, leave out the Holy Scriptures here.

  81. #115, Anonymous, it is good you are Luvale and an MMD support. Just tone down and do not let emotions override your think capacity.

    The Holy Bible indicates that there is time for everything Ecclesiastes 3: 1 – 8 and records that “with God nothing is impossible. So, stop giving us prophecies that do not hold water for only the future will tell whether another Tonga apart from late LP Mwanawasa will be Zambian President or not and at what time in this Earth’s history.

    Have a good day though.

    For now, it is Viva HH and the UPND.

  82. #116, Gridlock, can you please kindly back up this claim “as 4 bembas being tribal,its a 50/50,Mazoka was a nationalist and won in places lyk lsk and faird wel on cbelt,were the population is cosmopolitan.”

    What is on record is that Bemba has never voted for Mazoka well and president Hakainde Hchilema is now performing in the Northern Parts of Zambia better than late Mazoka did.

    Using Bemba Tribalism to justify well voting Tonga intellectuals will not help you. Remember that the UPND and president HH need your vote in 2011 for they do not discriminate against tribe and race. “One Zambia, One Nation” in unity as Zambians.

  83. LT, that is NOT Father Peter Henriot in your picture!!! You may have cut him outof the picture all together. Check your facts and images before posting them!!

  84. 119 Mungungulu..
    My brotha ur the last person to try and preach unity here..wth ur otha user name ie,maestroo..ur a knwn tribalist,and wth such,i cnt hav a debate wth u..mayb antha topic..

  85. KINGCOBRA, through your posts and on any subject that you have contributed on, you have displayed a spectacular shallowness of intellect and lack of originality as to border on the idi@tic. You would be forgiven if at least the rubbish you seem to be so much in love in spewing out was original, but no, you have to plagiarize even those from other websites and paste them into this blog! We all just wonder who you imagine is impressed by those idi@tic postings. We have the same access to them as you do, fo@l!

  86. #121, Gridlock, I respect your opinion on “119 Mungungulu..My brotha ur the last person to try and preach unity here..wth ur otha user name ie,maestroo..ur a knwn tribalist…”,but I will ontinue pointing at the truth (The Holy Bible records you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free)as an Adventist just like the Catholic people have now observed that tribalism is killing Zambia’s possible progress.I will continue to point out the truth no matter how it will appear to you or affect you because my belief is that a problem can only be solved by treating the root cause as the seriousness it deserves.Thus, I have backing that Bemba in Northern Zambia did not vote for late MAZOKA.

  87. #123 CONTINUED.
    The same Bemba people did not vote for president Hakainde hichilema the best in 2006 and 2008 elections because he is Tonga by Tribe and an undereducated candidate from there provinces of origin who started tribalism stood for Zambian President in the referred to elections.

    However, we as progressive Zambians will continue to seek the Bemba People’s support because we are “One Zambia, One Nation” and we recognise that there vote for the UPND is cardinal for the good of all Zambians as well as themselves Bembas.

    I will soon place the voting pattern from all provinces on here to show my claims.

  88. #124 CONTINUED.
    In fact, we very much appreciate the votes that some of them have given the UPND in the last Presidential election because there is now considerable improvement probably because president HH is now providing jobs to them through the 2 or so farms he has in Luapula Province now. However, we know that most of those Bembas who voted for president HH are convinced that the UPND has the right TEAM in place to move our only Zambia to real change and development that will be very meaningful to all Zambian Citizens of different tribes and races or originaters-from-neighbouring countries like Angola.

  89. CONSTITUENCY CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES % % Rejected Rejected Total

    108 MWINILUNGA EAST

    HICHILEMA HAKAINDE UPND 8372 57 29.5
    BANDA RUPIAH B MMD 5785 39 20.38
    MIYANDA GODFREY K HERITAGE 199 1 0.7
    SATA MICHAEL C PF 185 1 0.65

  90. #Bear in mind that the voting pattern in #126 is that from Northwestern Province where people voted on a non-tribal manner.
    Analysis:
    1. UPND President Hakainde Hichilema was clearly the best candidate
    2. Zambian President RB Banda was the next best because the MMD has party structures there and new mines gave people jobs.
    3. HP Leader Miyanda was a fairly good alternative to president HH
    4. Undereducated unelected PF Self-apponted Leader … was the worst candidate to consider for Zambian President.

    This is proper voting without tribal lines or affiliations taking into consideration some comments by most Bemba Zambians who point Tongas from Sourthen Province as voters on tribal lines.

  91. To sme pipo its ryt tht HH got alot of votes frm sthern,and nt gud in otha provinces,bt its wrng tht Sata got alot of votes frm Nthern and otha provinces..lets face facts here and fyt ths scarge..and by the way are u telin me tht the pipo in lusaka are tribal for voting for PF in 2008,and where they tribal wen UPND won lusaka in 2001?

  92. #128,
    78 LUSAKA CENTRAL
    SATA MICHAEL C PF 14866 58 30.92
    BANDA RUPIAH B MMD 6257 25 13.01
    HICHILEMA HAKAINDE UPND 4035 16 8.39
    MIYANDA GODFREY K HERITAGE 194 1 0.4

    Voters concentration is educated here though enough Kaponyas too are found.

  93. 79 MANDEVU
    SATA MICHAEL C PF 27117 62 32.81
    BANDA RUPIAH B MMD 12377 28 14.98
    HICHILEMA HAKAINDE UPND 3202 7 3.87
    MIYANDA GODFREY K HERITAGE 206 0 0.25

    Kaponyas here are far more greater than learned people.

  94. 80 MATERO
    SATA MICHAEL C PF 26714 66 36.42
    BANDA RUPIAH B MMD 10049 25 13.7
    HICHILEMA HAKAINDE UPND 3235 8 4.41
    MIYANDA GODFREY K HERITAGE 172 0 0.23

    Kaponyas here are far more greater than learned people just like in Mandevu.

  95. 72 CHILANGA
    MICHAEL C PF 3981 35 14.95
    RUPIAH B MMD 3913 34 14.7
    HAKAINDE UPND 3439 30 12.92
    GODFREY K HERITAGE 75 1 0.28

    Voters concentration is educated here though enough Kaponyas too are found just like in Lusaka Central.

  96. Bear in mind that Lusaka has about 2 million people majority of whom are Kaponyas. #128 and your “To sme pipo its ryt tht HH got alot of votes frm sthern,and nt gud in otha provinces,bt its wrng tht Sata got alot of votes frm Nthern and otha provinces..lets face facts here and fyt ths scarge..and by the way are u telin me tht the pipo in lusaka are tribal for voting for PF in 2008,and where they tribal wen UPND won lusaka in 2001?”, please check Northwestern Province voting in my posting #126 and see #127 for an analysis.

    Let us imagine Tongas, Bembas and Nyanjas do not exist in Northwestern Province of Zambia which is very far away from both Southern and Eastern Provinces, but near NP.

  97. Rupiah Banda had urged the people in Eastern province to vote only for him, justifying that by saying he comes from there, that Michael Sata should go to Northern Province and Hakainde Hichilema to Southern Province where they came from respectively. Was not that campaigning along tribal lines? If Zambia is getting more divided now than ever before, it’s a good thing, as Banda does not deserve to be president of a united Zambia.

  98. #128, Gridlock, note also that Kaponyas are Bemba by either Tribe or Speaking. -The undereducated losing Zambian Presidential candidate campaigns in the Bemba Language and is part of them kaponyas bearing in mind that he sweeped in London at some train station – a thing he attested to by himself and not my making. However, I do understand that he was once a Policeman in the Colonial Government I think and also the 1st GRZ Presided by Super Kenny, and later he rose through ranks to become Governor with Minister positions in the MMD 1.
    This is truth that can never be disputed without proof.

  99. yes tenssion is there.wat kind is the most important question.rb for three days has never turned up on both tv and radio.why pipo want sata is because he atleast speaks abt our problems.cb ,kabwe and lsk.

  100. #134, The Teacher, great points on tribalism. Tribalism exists in Zambia and now that the election results have consistently shown us about this since 2001 elections, let us all sort it out.

    We need NGO to educate people on this very sad and bad vice or evil called tribalism. There is no need to argue that it does not exist. Let us all unite as Zambians and embrace the “One Zambia, One Nation” that Super Kenny and his colleagues in UNIP brought to Zambia.

    Let us forget about the Undereducated’s and his Imagebuilders’ propagation of tribalism especially the calls that Bemba becomes a National Language.

    Be blessed you all, I am now going to sleep.

  101. today in cb(kitwe) pipo are found under trees as early as 08hrs why?our so called investors have put as on hold.the mines i mean mopani and kcm are not in full operation. copper has gone down today is was $3,900 but i mean when they brought the mines it was at $1,700.tell me wat production cost is there wen all they do is leaching.no development being down at all.the people have nothing going on and yet RB has going into hiding,the mister kalombo mwansa doesnt know wats happening wen pipo are almost losing there jobs.bwana mukubwa has gone yet mmd knew this and they said sata is talking rubbish.why is that our minsters are the last to know.they brought kcm at $25m dollas offer them that.

  102. mayb there will tell the truth as today copper at $3900 zccm would have made profit.why dont we have people from goverment working hand in hand with the mines.why not bring the minstry to kitwe as we are making 85% of the countries rev.the guys are cheating us.how can projects cost be put together as production costs.come on you dont have to unza to know that.

  103. No.35 sensible, you are sensiless. What the bishops are saying is true. If we dont go back to to the drwaing boards we are likely o go the kenya way or worse rwanda. This trend of voting in the previous elections does not give a healthy picture. Pliz Zambians lets be vigilant and kick out any form of tribalism.this goes to no.7 & 9

  104. I just had to post this one though I wrote about going above:

    “What gets us into trouble is not what we don’t know, its what we know for sure; that just ain’t so” by Mark Twain.

    Ndaakoona lino.

  105. #85 – I totally agree with you and #41. These people do not know where we have come from and where we are going. They need education, education, education and more education. Let us start by organising a scholarship for SATA and then we also educate Nakawala and the other machette carrying boy Kadobi. After that we shall advise them to start reading the new African magazine instead of the post and we buy them some of Luther King, Mandela and Obama’s books. Then we give them a lecture about KK’s books and then we ask SATA why we believe in ONE Zambia One Nation and not stone throwing. I am sure he will understand at that time. Don’t give up keep trying but NOT for Presidency Ba SATA please!!

  106. Yah, I am deflated now. This RB I thought he would be walker over but this boy HH and his friend Saki, yaba, they divided my vote and angered my outside supporters. Saki ulya wine alitumpa sana pamo naka Nawaki, kwati tabalensapota mu 2006. Kamo kwena nkakeyila apatali ukwa mununga inkhuba fye. Maka maka ka Nawakwi – kaka chimona nangu chibe shani! Yah!!!

  107. #148 Poncho SATA – that one is very funny, can you translate into the queen’s language please. One Zambia One Nation. One Nation One Leader and that leader – weeee weeee RUPIAH BWEZANI BANDA for ever and ever – God bless him. And that leader – RUPIAH BWEZANI Banda Lesa apale. And that leader – RUpiah Bwezani Banda forever and ever Amen. Have you now heard PF day dreamers! It is true – No SATA for zambia’s presidency – how comforting!!!

  108. Even the Bishops know that the elections were rigged. Shame on you MMD and the entire supporters. Open your eyes you blind followers.

  109. Latest: Father Frank Bwalya (head of Cengelo Radio Station) has been arrested for running a post-election program which the Govt viewed as being biased towards PF.

  110. “The recent presidential by-election won narrowly by Rupiah Banda exposed glaring weaknesses in the Zambian electoral process”. Actually this is an understatement of the year. The real situation is: Banda was not elected president, he has imposed himself on the Zambian people. There is no electoral process in Zambia. There is what is called “power to become an unwanted leader of a people”. We the Zambia people are so peaceful or may I say damn. This is not about Sata and the PF. It is not about Banda and the MMD it is about upholding the system of governance which does not leave room for anarchy. What Banda and the MMD did, leaves room to fit in Iraqi, Georgian, Afghanistan and Palestinian

  111. anarchy in one pot. This beloved 11.7 million people country can easily be reduced to ashes with this kind of power fight.

    KK was open. He said he wanted one party rule and made it into law. MMD does not want to make it into law but rather cheat their way into one party participatory democracy. MMD now would be short for Movement for Malpractice Democracy. The country is now a Minefield Manned Dungeon where freedom of expression is deprived. They Maintain Mammoth Deceptions. A Masquerade of Moral Discrepancies. They are Motives for More Divisions. Millions of Men Die because of leaderships like this.

    Banda’s loyalty dies not lie to the people of Zambia. They did not vote for him and

  112. and he knows that. It lies on the people who put him in power. The few who surround him. Those who helped him cheat. Those who perpetuate corruption. Will he help common Zambian develop? NO! we did not vote him in, how could he?

    He will continue the Power load shedding, the potholes, the low food security, poor schools, poor health facilities, power public security, leading the office without Zambian on his mind.

    Shame on the police officers who were helping him to cheat. They worked so hard only to go back to their poverty stricken police camps. Their wives and children hungry. Their children cannot even go to proper schools. They can’t even afford new uniforms. Their shoes use

  113. battery lead-made black fake polish.

    Where have we gone wrong mother Zambia, tell me where. The country is rich. Why can’t we support the system and reject malpractice in our leaders.

  114. Bembas are the most tribal of all.
    a).In 1964..Tongas sacrificed their own Nkumbula for KK (Bembas never appriciated)
    b) Lozi..sacrificed their own Sikota and many other tribes did the same but how many Bembas will appreciate?.

    Come 2001. All other tribes hated the MMD’s corruption & wanted to change with Mazoka (You can count how many Bembas voted for Mazoka) My brother in law who is Bemba openely said i cant be ruled by a Tonga!C/belt,northern,Luapula never supported Mazoka.
    Sata is on record having asked people in Kanyama what tribe they were before they voted in 2006.
    Now 2008 voting parttens speaks volumes.Bembas should not blame others but themselves and their selfishness.

  115. Maestro niolubana dont mind him cause he will just confuse you people he is a very bad triblist and he didnt even vote full of boasting. i think he smokes bostick and he is a guy pwete.

  116. This topic is supposed to be discussed and exhausted on this forum. If we all agree the to tha agitators of tribalism, lets find out the reasons why generally the Bembas dont like Tongas and Lozis and vise versa, then we try to address that. For those of you too young to know where this came from, go and consult your parents or grandparents so that you have the facts instead of arguing from without because this is real! Very few Bembas would want to speak lozi or Tonga and vice versa. The elders dont usually encourage intermarriages with the Bembas& Tonga/Lozi. What is the reason?

  117. Division in Zambia is not new it has existed for as long as I have been married to my Zambian husband. The problem is Tongas feel that Zambia is their country and the rest of the other tribes found them there. Tongas do not accept anyone apart from their own. My husbands friends are from different tribes in Zambia and after 30 years of marriage I can tell you which tribe is likely to take Zambia forward it is not that of my husband (sorry to speak) neither that of my husbands half brothers. I think BEMBA’S ARE BRAINY.I wish I’d met a Bemba man I would have been successful just like my friend who met one. Well I cannot tell my husband this because of the obvious.

  118. #158, SEJANI, mind the way your express you opinion. May your repent from your sins by confessing them to the good Lord for I have already forgiven you.

  119. #157. Provoker, thank you for this:
    “Come 2001. All other tribes hated the MMD’s corruption & wanted to change with Mazoka (You can count how many Bembas voted for Mazoka) My brother in law who is Bemba openely said i cant be ruled by a Tonga!C/belt,northern,Luapula never supported Mazoka.
    Sata is on record having asked people in Kanyama what tribe they were before they voted in 2006.
    Now 2008 voting parttens speaks volumes.Bembas should not blame others but themselves and their selfishness.
    “.
    The truth shall set us all Free indeed>

  120. I do not believe in tribalism but hard work. I like hard workers and I wish most people would believe in themselves and work hard to achieve.

    The success of your tribes mate does not make it yours and the failures of someone not your tribe does make you successful.

    I would rather work hard, succeed, make my beautiful wife and my lovely children happy and live a comfortable life.

    All this nonsense about what tribe you are my Zambian brothers and sisters is a waste of time.

    And please do not blame others for you failures.

    “Do not ask for a light load, but rather a strong back”

  121. Sure, Zambia is divided no coz of Tonga,Lozi,Bemba..Sata,Banda list goes on depending on your observation. But because of MMD and Electrol Commision.
    Look MMD will say something sweety to your ear during campaign and after successfuly rigging they will show their real nature, you see now they are saying:(Banda did not promise anyone a job) they are now in control and who are you fellow Zambian.
    Fight Electrol comission,fight MMD and not Banda,Sata or even HH we all did not chose, but Gods plan so Respect His Creation cause you have no capacity or even right to change the tribal being but you carry a rit in yo hand changing Electrol’s operation and boot out MMD.
    Y vote 4 formality anyway?

  122. Zambia is divided no coz of Tonga,Lozi,Bemba..Sata,Banda list goes on depending on your observation. But because of MMD and Electrol Commision.
    Look MMD will say something sweety to your ear during campaign and after successfuly rigging they will show their real nature, you see now they are saying:(Banda did not promise anyone a job) they are now in control and who are you fellow Zambian.
    Fight Electrol comission,fight MMD and not Banda,Sata or even HH we all did not chose, but Gods plan so Respect His Creation cause you have no capacity or even right to change the tribal being but you carry a rit in yo hand changing Electrol’s operation and boot out MMD.
    Y vote 4 formality anyway?

  123. #166, Mr. Reaal_JahLover, interesting observations. However, the Undereducated and his Imagebuilders have done a lot of harm to Tonga People.

    Tonga peopl have always wanted the best for Zambia by being inclusive but the Undereducated always says president HH should be Southern Province Leader and as for us (his personal political party) we have all the other 8 provinces.

    This is where tribalism starts and all his follows now hate president HH for no apparent reason but that HH is Tonga by tribe.

  124. Where can one find a Bemba man? I hear they are cute, hard working, smart. My goodness my boyfriend is scruffy,he is definately not Bemba and is very jealous of Bembas. Help me ladies.

  125. #169.Well you’ll find them occupying top jobs in most parts of the world. Well, that is how I dumped my x-zambian boyfriend who equally hated Bembas. It is easier to meet them in Zambia actually then take them away from Zambia because the air Zambians breathe is poluted you would not be able to breathe.

  126. some of the comments here are making me cold..COLD people! have we come to this? in my family we are very inter-married, but I can assure you, the first thing they ask is not what tribe is he/she, but is he/she educated? THAT is what is important, people who can think! Tribalism is just acting like aimals, no use of the higher brain power God Almighty gave us…I hope this kind of talk dies down, Viva One Zambai!

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