Scores of unruly rioting youths, Taxi and Mini Bus drivers today went on rampage in Kitwe Town centre and Chimwemwe Township damaging buildings and destroying property worth millions of Kwacha.
And Zambia Police Commissioner Francis Kabonde has announced that all the political and social functions have been canceled in Kitwe until the situation returns back to normal.
The Youths and drivers who were chanting Anti Government political slogans, smashed windows at the Olympic Milling shopping centre which houses various shops and in the process looted some mealie meal and beef belonging to Zambeef Zambia.
Police had a tough time as they fired tear gas canisters to repel the stone throwing youths and drivers who were protesting against the detention of Radio Ichengelo Station Manager Father Frank Bwalya.
A check around the City centre by ZANIS in the Company of Zambia Police Commissioner Francis Kabonde, Copperbelt Police Chief Antoneil Mutentwa and the the Local Command, found scores of people throwing stones in Chimwemwe Township, Town centre and Chisokone Market.
The entire road network in the City was blocked with burning tyres and logs placed in various places, while at the Zambia Institute of Business Studies (ZIPSIP) teargas canisters were fired to disperse political slogan chanting students who wanted to join the riot.
Police sealed off the entire City which is deserted where business halted as people were scampering from the area in fear of the violent scenes.
Taxi and Mini drivers who accompanied Father Bwalya from Kalulushi where he was detained, drove in a convoy of cars flashing lights and honking in the city centre where they created confusion.
Mr. Kabonde said Police arrested 38 people in connection with the riot which started around 10:30 hours, when father Bwalya was being taken to Kitwe Police headquarters where he was formally charged and released on a K10 Million bond in his own recognisance.
Mr. Kabonde said Father Bwalya who was arrested yesterday around 17:00 hours for engaging in acts intended to promote hostility between sections of the community has been slapped with three charges and would appear in Court on November 27 this year.
He said the Roman Catholic Priest has been charged with issuing statements likely to cause hostility between groups in society through the election programmes he had been broadcasting live on Radio Icengelo in the just ended presidential by-election.
He has also been charged for alleging that the October 30, 2008 Presidential by-election was fraudulent and that the current President Rupiah Banda was illegitimately elected.
Appeal to the media
Mr. Kabonde appealed to both the electronic and print media in the country to be sensitive when disseminating information to members of the Public.
“If you the media are not careful with the way you are disseminating information to members of the Public you may bring despondence and a breach of peace in the country”. Said Mr Kabonde.
He said Peace once lost was very difficulty to retain especially that the Copperbelt was near the region where some neighbouring countries were at War.
He added that the media had a duty to ensure that there was peace in the country and advised all those that were aggrieved by anything to do so through the courts of law.
Mr. Kabonde said that Father Bwalya was earlier warned by the police to stop disseminating his programmes because they were capable of brining discontent on the Copperbelt but he continued.
Mr. Kabonde appealed to the people of the Coppertbelt to remain calm and ensure that undesirable characters who could bring confusion in the Country did not do so.
And father Frank Bwalya appealed to Taxi and Bus Drivers in the City to desist from throwing stones and engaging in other acts of violence.
ENDS/LK/PK/ZANIS.
I was the first to throw a mangoe
oh mop
That a little too late for PF Supporters. They should have struck the hammer while it was still hot. Not now sorry.
Please tell me, are we in the media special and above the law?
Atase bakitwe kwati niku Kenya wise up we are Zambians pliz.
Just look at your Cop? did he eat before taking on the youths
No need for violence. These same people are the ones that voted for MMD in 2001 when the rest of the country voted for the opposition! let them stay with their MMD!
SAY NO TO VIOLENCE
Politics of disrespecting citizen are back, freedom of speech is important..please do no take us backwards with this new sleepy president.
No! No! No! to violence
VIVA PF
Any one with as much as a pin size brain would have seen this coming! First they rig the elections, then they detain an innocent priest!! And, what about the rising food prices and job losses, a mere two weeks after the rigged elections!! And where is your president? Is he ill in bed or hospital? has any one seen him lately?
Yazanda pa Kitwe
Hey Mr Presidente wake up Zambia needs leadership.Presidency is no honeymoon.Wake up we need direction.we didn’t vote for you but we are now stuck with you for the next 3 years. Say something,give those youths some hope.The free sugar,cheap fertiliser aint cutting it no more.Where is the continuation of Mwanawasas legacy.Not even his slurred speech hindered the late Mwanawasa from speaking to us.Please we are waiting for direction before unruly people disrupt peace. You took away their hope when you won now give us some!
That PC looks like one at war! Blimey! All he was firing was a teargas. Has someone told these people some people are allergic to Chilli?
Reason to sue the government in the UK. No wonder they do not use tear gas here!
the police also need to causiuos and sensitive, people are not happy with the outcome of the elections and the police must have known better, what ever was being broadcast did not cause this confusion but the imfamous decision to arrest the priest, especially ON THE CB, I bet they have lots of arrests to do because the majority in this province agree with the priest anyway.
What father Bwalya is saying is true. 100% true.
“And Zambia Police Commissioner Francis Kabonde has announced that all the political and social functions have been canceled in Kitwe until the situation returns back to normal.”
Good work Zambia Police and keep it up.
‘And father Frank Bwalya appealed to Taxi and Bus Drivers in the City to desist from throwing stones and engaging in other acts of violence.’
Thank you too, father F. Bwalya.
God save our country, we know people are hurt and suffering. In Jesus name we refuse loss of life. God come through for our nation. It’s time to pray for those that can pray.
No to this! We are better than the rest of the madness that prevails on our beautiful continent. To what end do the rioters think this will go? Only hurting the poor suffering people of Kitwe further! Mr. RB, where are you now? too old to do anything, that’s what! Like an old tortoise hiding in the shell. I am disgusted with Zambian politics, but hoping I will be home to vote in 2011, such things need to stop!!!!! Please, ba MMD have to go!!!!
Well done Kitwe but a bit too late.This tension has been vented too late.We need this to spread to all parts of the country.Why should we be ruled by RB ‘RURAL BASTARDS?’TWANAKA NE SHIMBWA.
I have always been catholic but the way the Copperbelt church people have gone about politics is not something you expe t from God fearing men and women. We all know mr Sata is catholic but that does not mean the church should push his agenda
Police brot ths violence by these unip tactics of arestin a priest,where were they wen MMD
Was beatin journalists in lusaka,wen an mmd cadre was shooting at a bus a pamodzi hotel during Dr Chishimba’s pres briefing..nw tel me hu is violent,b profesional and nt partisan u f00lz..
#13 Bob Doe. Spot on. But if read the POst Tetamashimaba guy said rupia banda never promised any1 a job. But he never finished his sentence. The other thing he didn’t say was that he (rb) never promised anything to the people of Zambia apart from Levy’s legacy. U should be asking yourselves. “what is levy’s legacy?”. rb was never even xplaining levy’s legacy. its either the chap knows nothing or he was simply hiding in the word legacy to avoid promising people what he doesn’t know. I know as well as others, that rb has got too much knowledge on sleeping on duty. and not economic knowledge. Lusengo lwa mbwa. Its a goo escape. you cant pin him on not delivering. he never promised it.
So people must learn to to wait for 2011. I hope this time even a villager will not be f@@led by briberies, lies and corruption from rb. Its sad but sorry you have to wait people.
well we dont need this kind of violence,zambia is a peaceful nation
where are we going to end now, if we can see things like this rioing in kitwe going on.I remember saying something here on the day the so called REPUBLIC OF BURUNDI was there standing has a president without thinking that it was not suppose to be him making the speech he made that day. People of Zambia you are now educated enough to be getting led off such people full corruption without the sense of leadership. don’t just say it is too late for the PF. what is going on now is not only for the PF but for everyone. We are tired of this f**lish leadership. We need also change, because if you let then go on now, even the next election they will play same stup*d games just to win the election.
21. C.I.A you have observed well.We can not talk more on this issue otherwise Church should preach love and peace not anarch. Come out of her my people is message in Revelation, because Babylon has fallen Rev 18:4.
Are we in a DICTATorship environment?? No freedom of media…. Why Ba MMD.. Are we in UNIPship environment? Pepo are tired with MMD. RB is doing nothing.Just a change of owner of a car is very expensive. Food is becoming expensive too. Talk of feul… Fertilizer…Katwishi. i am tired with the whole MMD.
Just a reminder you people next time vote for people who are promising things you understand. “LEGACY” is just a concept. Sata promised more money in your pockets, jobs, modernisation, a pipeline from Angola. Those things are achievable and add value to human life. Not ci LEGACY. Kuti walya ci LEGACY. Zambian you are jokers. Anyway, you deserve better than SLEEPING RUPIA BANDA.
Cage him, he should be on the pulpit and not pushing his luck with the pathetic front.
WHO IS THE VICE PRESIDENT NOW? THIS GUY RB STILL STRUGGLING TO SEE WHO DID WELL WITH RIGGING DURING THE ELECTIONS. I HOPE HE KNOW WHAT HE IS STILL WAITING UPTO NOW.
Bwalya like it or not he is landing a seditious charge and thuggery will or PF boats will not do the salvation.
Keeping order and defending peace is an obligation of every responsible citizen in a Democracy.In the US Hoover has an answer for thuggery.
Zambians, set yourselves high standards. If you did there was no way you could have voted for RB. I am not talking about his agly face. I am taliking about what he has done for Zambia to deserve his presidency. He hasn’t got such a background. the only things he is known for is corruption, tribalism, regionalism, bribery, fraud, buule, etc, and we cant forget sleeping on duty. If you had standards, definitely you cant choose such a person. He is absolute rubbish.
For all those crying foul and claiming there was rigging let’s look at the facts:
Southern Province: Sata got 4.79%
Western Province: Sata got 9.92%
North Western: Sata got 4.45%
Eastern Province: Sata got 18.74%
In all 9 provinces RB got above 20% and even got above 25% in all PF strongholds.
You don’t have to be a genious to figure out that based on the numbers Sata was bound to lose.
wake up PF morons and smell the coffee…SATA will never rule Zambia and thank god for that!!!!
Quiet! Am trying to get some sleep!
I’ve somehow lost the handle to LPM’s legacy and vision.
I need enough sleep, see if I can get some answers in my dreams!
If you have questions,
Ask Mulongoti, Teta, Chitala, VJ, Kalumba, Mpombo, ….
Shhhhhhhh!
#22 – Unama pali Dr Chishimba’s case. Those were PF cadres chanting PF songs. No MMD cadre throws stones nowadays.
You will know that PF is synonymous with confusion and violence. It is the reason they are referred to as ‘kaponyas, it is not out of hatred but out of the fruit of their actions.
The PF leader’s actions that have earned him the ‘man of action’ title has been due to his propensity for embracing rebellion, confusion, anarchy, chibombebombe, chilandelande, etc.
Form the time he left MMD, stone throwing ceased in the party.
Oh! I now change my nickname to Supporter
If any blogger in here did not expect this, then well….. These polls were rigged to the bone.
Oh! I now change my nickname to Supporter
THE COP IN THE PICTURE ALOMONEKA KWATI HE NEEDS NSHIMA WITH KATAPA BEFORE HE CAN HANDLE AN OLD FASHION TEAR GAS REVOLVER. BA ZAMBIA 0, THIS TIME AROUND. THESE MUST BE MMD SUPPORTERS. THEY WERE PROMISED MAIZE MEAL AND NOW THE MEAl PRICES ARE SHOOTING UP WHETHER YOU VOTED FOR MMD OR PF KUCHULILA MUMO. THEY ARE VENTURING THEIR ANGER ON WRONG TARGETS. WELL COME BACK UNIP AND 1986 RIOTS IN THE COPPERBELT BEFORE THE END OF KAUNDA ERA, THIS IS JUST THE BEGINING OF THE END OF THE MMD ERA BEFORE IT IS OVER THROWN BY THE MILITARY JUNTAL, MARK MY WORDS AND WATCH THIS SPACE. THE RENEGADE SOLDIER NEVER SLEEPS IN THE BARACKS.
Supporter chinyo chobe
Next its food riots,afta tht it wil b high fuel and the looming loss of jobs n the mines.we al dnt wnt violence bt it seems ‘govt’ especialy the presidnt is slepin..3 yrz of rubish..sh!t..
#37 dee-votes
I hope u knw wat ur tokin abt n the pamodzi incidnt,i watchd n tv,nt tht 3rd hand info u hav..tht man was mmd iwei
You cant intimidate the Catholic church whoever you are. Ask KK and Chiluba.
IT IS NOT SURPRISING. KITWE HAS A LARGE NUMBER OF STREET KIDS WHO EVEN FORGOT THE TEST OF NSHIMA. RB, INCITO YAONEKA. JUMP AROUND BOY AND GIVE THEM FREE MEALIE MEAL AS YOU PROMISED AND STARTED DURING YOUR CAMPAGINS. WHAT ARE YOU DOING? ARE YOU SLEEPING IN YOUR OFFICE? PEOPLE DIDN’T EMPLOY YOU TO SLEEP. WAKE UP MAN.
#42 – typical PF attitude. No thinking, no brain power, insele fye shekasheka. You are totally guilty. I am sure what you are calling me is what you think of yourself at best. I wish you would realise that you are better than that.
Ba LT, obviously you understand Bemba, chiteni po chimo. DO something on this PF cadre #42 Thami.
Mwashupa abantu, Iwe Police do you eat three meals a day? or where you maybe doing the so called duty. please think about the poor. Ifi tenge bapele aba ku mushi nga fyelepuka, what next? Pantu indalama shifuma ku town.
Police Chief Kabonde is right when he says peace should always be maintained because without it chaos dwells and it becomes very difficult to develop.
On the other hand,politicians are the causers of all the problems initially. One can’t fail to note that Father Bwalya was not entirely wrong.Was President Banda entitled to act as President after the death of Levy? Answer: No! The Chief Justice should have been the right person. Abuse of government resources was the result. Bwezani Banda went amok and used government money recklessly like Chiluba. I shall be shocked if double standards will be used and not take Banda to court for misuse of government resources at the end of his term on off
What innocnet Priest. That Ka Frank Bwalya priest is a womaniser and a tribalist in the sheep’s skin. His messages are similar to what caused Rwanda genocide.
da police ar to blame for da riot. There was no need to arrest da man of god.
Legal experts, someone please read the law and guide us and Mayo Wandi: what does our constitution say about acting president?
Most, if not all, of these legal challenges have been shown to be without merit and yet we continue to confuse ourselves.
I do not see what is the issue with 49 if Cobra, Bonaventure, Kawimbe and company never belaboured the issue prior to elections.
As for me I have accepted the will of democracy and I am sleeping like a baby after Obama thrashed me; not all is lost, there is a next time either for me or Palin.
45 Towe, so you are happy to be intimidated by the catholics instead? Spineless coward!
The MMD should sue this Father Frank Bwalya for making claims without proof to back it up.
I think PF should be dissolved all together. They have brought nothing but trouble in Zambia. Everytime there are riots, PF. Everytime there is allegations of vote rigging without proof, PF. Anything that has anything to do with trouble or disturbing the peace that the country has enjoyed, it is always PF. This pisses me off.
PF, YOU KEEP CLAIMING THE ELECTIONS WHERE RIGGED BUT WHEN ASKED FOR PROOF, YOU FAIL TO PROVIDE IT. JUST ACCEPT AND LEAVE US IN PEACE. YOU LOST. STOP DISTURBING PEOPLE’S PEACE. PF IS NOTHING BUT TROUBLE.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it” – Upton Sinclair
35 Facts, well said amen.
Let me warm all of you here who are supporting evil minds like that of frank Bwalya. You dont have to go very far to know that, frank was inciting hatred, violence, divisions and subversive activities..
This is not acceptable. Let us not be misled by priests who bears tribalist inclinations and partisan politics. The PF’s supporters have one thing in common..They are pathetic Fans of Sata, not because of his credibility, but because he represent the corruption, thuggery and idiosy which is praised unfortantely.
Now that guy looks like a commando!
This is what happens when you robe the civilians of their hard earned vote suckers. You control the situation now Toadface motherfcuker.
Zambia Police, i am impressed. About what? Just tear gas and no bullets – i am proud to be a zambian!
Sometimes u wonder if this are political churches.. Wat r this fathers of katolika doing? After all sata is not a katolika but a thug.
Absolute SATAnists, these men in robes!
THAT’S ALL PF WANT’S…VIOLENCE….YOU WILL NEVER BE IN POWER NOT IN THIS TIME, ALL PF SUPPORTERS SHOULD GO TO HELL.
The media can be very dangerous. The genocide in Rwanda was fuelled by the media. Ironically, the Roman catholic church playd a role in the genocide
No.35 think wisely. Ala twachula kuno makukolopa ama yaba sungu, inorder to send ama western union to the families there. Its a time of change, you are bring back the UNIPs.Look at Obama.
some churches: i can call them political churches.. Sata is not katolika’ but a thug.
#57 HK
Ur always tokin of tribalism o tryint to point it ot even wen its nt there.debate n the isue and nt showing ur primitvnes of failin to acept tht nt every1 speaks 1 language.
all this political B.S originated from chiluba meddling with the 2001 elections. its not fair for us to be going through this s**t. i hope karma catches up with him
Guys the snake is still slithering. Did you miss the head and hit the tail instead?
Chi Thami (#47) atase!!! Why should you insult on this website. I you have a problem with Supporter, why don’t you settle it outside our earshots. You are the same people burning our country. Instead of using reason, you use your dirty language. Alaa. LT should be a place of brainstorming and mutual information on the state of our country and ways in which we as Zambian can improve our country. I am sure there other blogs where you can vent your insults. Invite Supporter there and not here on LT.
Some facts are simple and yet very difficult to be understood by corrupted minds. Regardless of how few of the voters went to the polls, there should have been some apparent national celebration at the victory of RB. The opposite seems to be obtaining on the ground. What does that say? He was not genuinely put into office. It’s a shame these pipos conscious seems to be non-functional, otherwise the likes of Mwaanga should have long resigned on moral grounds, but since morality is also missing in them, they shall continue.
@#64. worried citizen
No matter how much you cry, the fact is that MMD won the elections.
Unless you have PROOF to dispute these facts (of course you don’t have proof), you just have to accept MMD is still in power and you should try again 2011.
Why cant you PF cadres be like HH supporters (mature, peaceful, critical thinkers), why do you have to be violent and support violent acts.
You disgust me.
the majority voted for mmd, the minority for pf. so why should the minority dictate to majority?
Father Bwalya should face the full force of the law over his actions. If it was a Tonga father in southern province who did such it would have been called TRIBALISM in support of HH.
right on #73
Please can someone from the CB give share to us what kind of programme that Fr Bwalya ran on the air? I know that our politicians and police do not sometime understand what civic education is. They are actually the ones who provoked the situation. What people are saying through their unacceptable behviour is that we will not accept intimidation. These guys don’t learn! It just shows that our police service is not different from ba kaponyas!
#73 undataker
So u havnt read sum pipo here trying to link ths to tribalism.?
#73Undertaker dont bring tribalism.Tongas are not tribal but hh became unpd president on tribal grounds
ThanX Choma 1
Sum pipo here it seems are only bent n separatin pipo n useles and f00lis grounds of TRIBALISM..hw i hate tht!
You guys in Lusaka, where is Akulu mpuno? Has he come back from the SADC honey moon in SA? Why did he not heed Sata’s advice that he should win peoples’ support because people are not happy. Now even those in Western province who voted for him are disillusioned!! He need to be flashed out!
THE POLICE WIL SORT U OUT. UBWATO BWALIBUNDA PLZ TRY NEXT TIME.
#76 waht the hack are u trying to say? #77 u are being ironic coz yourself are being a triablist in ur blog
#77 I m talking about reality. If it was a Tonga father and in Southern province people would have labeld it TRIBALISM in support of HH.
#79 chewe..we only saw Rb layin a wreath at n the aniversary of w.war,afta tht he went to slep.
#82 undataker..foget it,dnt knw hw u cn get my point,coz its straight foward
# 82. What is all this tribalism issue here? People understand that the Catholic church gives people are voice whether Tongas or Lozi’s. Was it not in Mongu sometime back the the local catholic radio was accused of de-campaigning an MMD chap? Copperbelt is a melting pot of all tribes. Unless if you are just cacooned in your tribal village even the US as apparently the flag says!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets discuss the issue at hand.Why should we be thinking on tribal lines?it just doesnt make sense to imagine issues in a tribe.Lets analyse issues as Zambians and not as lozi or tonga or Bemba OR ngoni etc.Zambia is a big family
Ba pragmatist pliz, try to avoid exposing yo ignorance here. You are talking about law. You dont even know wht the Fr has done. What you’ve read is just a hint.
And you #37, How are you going to support those bustards you have when your presidend sleeps 24/7? Carefull, they’ll just be like the Kaponias you are despising. Mind you, its not evryone who wanted to be kaponyas. Its because of having parents like you.
#83 Gridlock. Thanks for the information. We might be expecting a presidential baby soon if all Akulu mpono does is sleep and not attend to the countries pressing issues.
This country needs another leader like KK. For 27 years he united as one nation under ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION motto. KK, you were such a great force of UNITY.
#88.Undertaker just not kk.One university in 27 years.State of Emergencies,queeus,fly by air.That man was dull and cruel.When he took over zambia,our country was the second richest in Africa but after 27 years we among the poorest.KK kuya bebele
Fellow Zambians, we should try to follow the American way, where results of Presidental election are announced on the T.V and also online, have enough time for the Losing Presidental Candidate to either call for a re count or petition the elections to the court, this could be like 2 or 3 weeks after voting and not inauguration 2 hour after announcing the result, why was the rush all about.
Kitwe town was brewing as ealy as 9 in the mornin..i hope ZNBC has uploaded tht video n their website so u cn see..im sure the police wil hav to plan carefuly n hw to remove street vendorz in lusaka,coz it may js be a case of dejavu..
PF supporter think Zambia belong to them city dwellers.
we just need a leader who can win respect and love from majority of Zambans.Our current constitution does not allow this because our constitution was manipulated by the chiluba team
SOMETHING OFF THE TOPIC: Does Sata smile or laugh. If someone has a photo showing him laugh or smile I can buy it for $1000. Sori 4 wandering off the topic
75 Chewe the radio show feature and former river side councelor i listned to it in the car whilst driving to chingola at no point did Fr Frank talk about riggin, hes emphasis was honesty in ECZ conduct and accountabilty, he talked about numbers in registered voters versus those who voted. the Riot was based on the arrest of the priest nothing else, i wonder why ZNBC mentioned PF in the 7pm news
the cop got drunk from tear gas,lol!
#89. I am a university graduate because of Kaunda’s policies and so are many others. KK’s gvt did alot for this country. Well, Jesus Christ perfomed alot of miracles but people still didnt accept him.
#95 Fr. Jones. Thanks for the information. It is important to get the facts. Sometimes our politicians are so hypersensitive and insecure that they always look for a scapegoat for their own political expediency. Viva Zambia!!!
#50 you are right people defending Father Bwalya dont know that guy. ask MISA they will tell you.dont even go far just ask people that have resigned from that station he runs they will tell you how shallow and petty that guy is. Police should lock him up he should know better than to go in an area like copperbelt and preach that a president is illegitimate without evidence. Those of us that listened to that guy on radio during the 2006 elections know that he can cause war… if he has any of his recordings just get them and play them. He has no respect for the electoral code of conduct for the media.
#82 Undertaker, the all Zambia is against you. In Bemba we say “pa nsaka tapabulwa chiwelewele”, you better go and drink yourself off!! Now back to Riot etc, Yes Zambia needs such actions. RB and his team are frustrating, starting from the time the late LPM was in hospital. What kind of freedom of media is this? And this an insult to the Catholic church. They far beyond RB’s civilization.
#82 you are 100% correct. God has a way of revealing things all the time. People of Southern province are still hating from northern and luapula province’s failure to support Mazoka and there is nothing you can do about that. First a bemba president chiluba destroyed their agricultural systems and livelihood and reduced Tongas to beggers. Then their son Mazoka came on the scene with the best preparation to be president in the history of the country but poeple of Noterhern and luapula so it fit to reward Mazoka with 2% votes. Now Tonags have to choose between HH and Sata and when they choose HH who is clearly better candidtate they are leblled tribal. Tongas are clever than you think.
All looters and rioters should be shot!! How can we allow people to ransack other peoples property in the name of having a protest!! There are other, more civilised ways, of showing your displeasure. Hang your heads in shame residents of Kitwe.
My $1000 offer Sata’s photo is still waiting. I want a photo where he has been captured smiling or laughing. Photo should be old i.e. Past days/years
BA LUPIYA BUUKENI.WAKE UP AND START WORKING BECAUSE THE HONEY MOON IS OVER.WE DO NOT WANT CHAOS IN THIS COUNTRY.YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT.WAKE UP AND TAKE CHARGE.
#101. Thank you for your support and others thank you for your critisism. I m not Tonga but just feel offended by the unfair comments about their wise political choice. Mind you they opposed Chiluba’s third term bid while others suported it
This is why i have a problem with religious leaders who engage in politics.Religion is above everything else so people trust what religious leaders say even if it absolute crap like in this case.That Frank Bwalya should have realised that by making malicious allegations against the ECZ,MMD & other stakeholders,he was actually inciting violence.There is no proof that elections were rigged till we hear of it in the courts when concerned parties submit their evidence.It’s sad that things have to turn out this way,we don’t need looting & all sorts of violence neither do we need the silencing of people but we should all act senseless & choose what we say.
Much as the protests are wrng..the media wil rili be infringd upon n the times to cum,1st they banned 4n in programmes afta Aka n VJ were grilled n Qfm,nw they ar exageratin a fathaz phne-in programe..hop thy knw th even arogant George Bush cudnt js stand against th catholic church..
You guys surprise me. Ask yourselves this questions? why did only our african father sell our brithers and sisters into slavely? why was africa colonilized so easily? People/whites used or abused the bible to achieve all these. So our priests who understand this vice have seen it coming and have spoken on behalf of the silent majority. Keep it up priests inform, educate and intertain the masses.
TETA incited the masses in Eastern Province and called on his brothers from NW to beat up the mbebas. Wasnt that inciting violence? WAke zambians the priests have spoken do not say you were not told.
I am surprised that even learned PF cadres support violence. Peace once disturbed is hard to restore…you could be abroad right now but your families are back home and will be affected by the confusion… Lets be patriotic and condemn all acts of thuggery and violence….
@#106 meant to say we should all be sensible & choose what we say.
Politics and religion should not be mixed, they make a very dangerous mixture as already witnessed…even in democratic countries like the USA, Ministers of the gospel have restrictions with regard to politics..
#108 What credentials do priests have for them to be the judges of the elctoral system,did they carry out their own independent investigation & found proof of rigging or whatever they claim.It’s even immoral for chaps like you to praise a priest who says rubbish.Up to now we have not heard of any substantive claims of rigging,we want proof not words from disgruntled failures who fail to accept elecction results,this last election was clean in as far as most stakeholders are concerned.To blazers with false prophets after all they are not that pure themselves.
#108. Elders
Where is the PROOF that the elections where rigged??
We don’t want words from false prophets, we want hardcore proof that cannot be disputed.
Don’t just make blind allegations of vote rigging, provide proof to back up your allegations.
WHERE IS THE PROOF???
Afrofusion
Do u knw everyone personaly here to start labelin them as failures..blog wth dignity,dnt take it lyk a fight and be so emotional.
These are PF THUGS destroying property for no reason at all.
Surely this so called priest is a disgrace. His role is to preach and not fun trouble. Please could this so called priest be JAILED FOR A LONG TIME.
With PF, this peaceful country can become like CONGO DR.
Immediately the Press take sides in politics, you are bound to cause problems because the press have power to BUILD or DESTROY easily!!
they should hire UNZA students, we know how to make them cry.
Afrusion, who are ‘the most’ stake holders?
Fr.Bwalya are related to those priests who acted like you’re in the genocide of rwanda bushe tumutmnako abanenu ifyo bachula nenkondo mwebantu.ala nothing can be compaired with peace ifwe natwaishiba nokubutuka inkondo pantu ukulelila imfuti bonse mulefwayo kutamba.Ala twakana ulubulu webo Fr. bwalya twakupapata what’s your problem?
Father Bwalya as a man of God is suppose to be preaching peace not fueling riots, look at what has happened to kitwe residence. Iam not suprised because the catholic priest have a bad repitation remember what happened in Rwanda and Burundi the priest was involved in the genocide, so father bwaya wilabelamina mu church. Muleupa no kupa ba father muchinje!!!! Boma should deal with the 38 arrested plus the so called father bwalya who has no son, daughter and wife so he has nothing to loose. Father bwalya we only have one Zambia we have owhere to run to so if you not happy with 2008 election results that is why we have the courts of law.
#114. Gridlock
Maybe u got the meaning of my words incorrectly but when i say failures,i am referring to the likes of Sata who refuse to accept that this time around they lost a clean election.Learn to seek clarification before you jump the gun & accuse people of being emotional,why would one be emotional & who would accuse me of ”blogging without dignity”,am sure those who follow my comments on this blog know that am no kid,this blog is full of kids who barely understand a thing & sometimes it’s even pointless to comment coz it’s like talking to a wall.
#50 HK
what happened in rwanda can not happen in Zed, we are just too diverse and there is no tribe here that number millions. The hutus in the great lakes are about 16 millions and Tutsis number some 4 milllions.
There is no tribalism, its Poverty here, nothing else.
#117. Musalu Wali Pesamba
Am sure you’re the same chap at #114
The other stakeholders in the last election were Hakainde Hichilema & Brig General Miyanda.
Whatever the answer one may choose the question #117, ‘the most’ to me are the voters themselves, both in number in importance in relation to the results. Some foreign observers come on holiday and do the elections part-time, then you believe them. Some indigenous one are clearly partisan. The voters reaction tells a story, and their story at the moment is that ‘It’s not done the way it ought to be.’ And since they are the most, we better believe them.
#123
I believe foreign observers coz it’s almost impossible to compromise with them,they cannot be bribed by anyone so they report what they see,they are not paid by the country they go & monitor so i personally would trust them not some local Zambian monitor who is probably sponsored by an interested party ie either ruling govt or opposition.
It is a lesson to learn for all of us. 2 weeks before elections you are distributing free food. During the campaign, you promise Northern Province chiefs a Vice if they vote for U, then you do the same to Western Province chiefs, as if this is not enough, you promise the Northwesterners the same thing. How many VPs is Zambia going to have under RB?
To add salt to injury, 2 weeks into your Presidency, the free mealie meal has been replaced by very expensive mugaiwa. How do the Urban poor survive? The Rural poor vote MMD because they survive through subsistance farming and barter system.It is time to live to your election promises.
These are soon going to turn into full scale food riots.
Let the law take its course. If the Father is innocent,then so shall he be free. We have to learn that any sort of freedom (speech, association, thought, social liberties),..has a price. We need to rise above wanton distruction of our own property just because we disagree. The best minds have moved mountains and caused seismic changes politically without throwing a stone (Luther King, Mandela, Obama, Ghandi, Nkrumah,..need I go on).. .?
They should lock up that Father Bwalya and throw away the key.
#105 No problem. I just like it when Zambians become more objective. In 1996 elections Chiluba got the highest “Yes” vote from southern province because on the basis of those who stood they considered him better. Now choosing HH becomes tribal, why wasn’t it tribal in 1996. Also PF should ask themselves why Sata has failed to win in Mbala, Mpulungu, and Isoka in all three elections he has contested. People of Southern province will remain steadfast with their choice. No amount of name calling will make them change their position, after all their economic gains have already started returning. A lot of villagers now have sollar power, taking their kids to school & have more food than 5 yrs ago
Maybe i typed wrongly & mixed up my sentence at comment #112,ignore that ”most” you’re capitalising on,i meant to say the other stakeholders in the last election ie HH & Miyanda honorably accepted defeat & actually commended the ECZ for conducting the best election Zambia has ever had,even the monitors said the same thing so it’s up to Sata & everyone else who think the election was a sham to bring the necessary evidence.
Afro Fusion, I like your train of thought…! You are a breath of fresh air on this blog. Most other comments are kindergarten standard !
#124 notice that I have not favoured local observers either. Mine is on the population that cast their votes. How should their reaction and concerns be interpreted?
The movement at work, “get out of her my people”, the bible puts it clearly. What is the catholic church up to honestly, preaching the gospel or encouraging riots? Watch out you God fearing people, the wind might be at work.
Father Bwalay has always been a contraversial pastor, even with his sermons which sometimes hinge on sexism. He is alleged to have two children in Mpika he fathered while he was at a seminaly college. If the chap is quilty he must suffer in jail if he is innocent he must be released, It is time to show these PF supporters that they do not own Zambia and they are not above the law. The police has a responsibility to maintain law and order to safe guard and protecft the weak in our society.
Sata & PF are quilty by association of comments made by Father Bwalya in the same way HH was found guilty by association of comments made by some Tonga officials in UPND. May God bless Zambia
Thanx Zig Zag Chimfwembe
It saddens me that almost all Zambian blogs & forums are full of teething babies,it’s almost impossible to have a meaningful discussion,it’s either the discussion will be full of vulgar language or just irrelevancies.
That chap needs to rot in jail.
#129 I don’t mean to be disrespectful but honestly, what else is Miyanda expected to say. The void votes were greater than what he scored. He could say anything and put his case to bed. HH comes a little closer to an authentic comment but may be he knows his difference to the winner looks a good measure of gracious defeat and can build from there. Now think of a guy who is overtaken by 35,000 votes in a situation where others are voting on Friday and Saturday in a rural are purported to be a stronghold of his opponent. You would have much searching to do if u were in this position, wouldn’t you bwana?
133. Truth
That issue of Frank Bwalya having fathered 2 kids in Mpika reminds me of my former Headmaster at St Francis,Malole a Br Bowa who was also reported to have fathered many kids,2 of his boys were actually pupils at the same school & the resemblance was striking,any pupil who told those boys they looked like Br Bowa were either suspended indefinately followed by expulsion or it was expulsion straight away.I also remember another ”Brother of the sacred heart”who was fond of sleeping with local village girls,he gave an unknown STD but most prevalent in dogs to a local girl in Malole so he was deported by the Zambian govt the very say the girl said it was him who slept with her.
LT: Breaking news: VJ is the new Chief Whip. Cat of nine lives? Dejavu!!
You Afrofusion, so were u at Malole? Coz that’s were I was boy, 1991-1995.
Ati ba father
#137 It doesn’t matter how many votes Miyanda got or how much behind HH was to Sata or the winner Banda.The election had 4 candidates,1 won,2 accepted defeat & said the election was fair & their words were echoed by monitors,1 candidate refused to accept defeat,it is his choice.
Zambia is not only Luapula,Northern & Copperbelt,it’s all the 9 provinces.Zambia has about 11 million people,only about 3.9 million are registered voters & about 1 million did not vote especially in urban areas.The ruling party capitalised on rural areas where they bribed the Chiefs & their subjects who are also Zambian went en mass & voted for Banda,is that what u call rigging,no bwana!
#137 I agree with your approach but those people who voted on Saturday were never going to vote for Sata any way because he has nver been there to campaign. The real problem for Sata is his failure to win in Mpulungu, Mbala, Nakonde and Isoka. Sata has lost consistently in 3 elections in those districts. These are areas of minor tribes in Northern province, does that tell us anything of the relationship between bembas and the minor tribes in Northern province, or Sata’s relationship with the minor tribes in the province, just asking because I do not know the politics of that province that much but I do know that much.
#132,Muna,thanks watch for signs of the end. prophecy count down remember!
Father Bwalya is a typical PF supporter-no regard for the facts. He should face the full extent of the law. Let him prove his allegations in a court of law. He is joining those who incited genocide in Rwanda through radio Micolleens.
For Father Bwalya the elections are only free and fair when Sata wins. What kind of reasoning is that from a man of God. He is fake.
The law should act firmly on him. Let him rote in prison if charges are proved against him.
Father bwalya the bible say “life and death life lie in the power of the tongue”, so choose what to say and when to say it. Wankalifya sane.
#142 so they bribed the chiefs so they could influence their subjects. Ala kabili! And that is still right, yangu eeeh.
127# Free market… If the throw the keys they will find them. The best will be after locking they swallow the keys.
A freind of mine who listened to the programe which the priest was presenting told me that it was good programme, the priest was just analysising the after mass of elections to him there was nothing wrong with the discussion.Sometimes when one tells the truth it pains. As Bembas say “Inchi nshinka chilakalipa” may be the priest was talking inchi nshinka and the govermnet was offended.Any way the truth will set him free as the bible say.
No war, please. Me a talk to de yutes dem weh live a Riverside, Parklands and Nkhana East.
Naisa nchaje first, kuti yapwa battery.
#147 Yes,that’s what the MMD govt has been doing & the opposition don’t seem to learn.It is easy to convince rural voters.
Yes,i was at Malole around the time you say you were there it’s unfortunate their is no privacy on this blog so we will not know each other properly since we are in the public domain & can’t tell our real names but i remember some names from 1991-1995 intake,abena umukoli,Ba Wizi etc
#150 BuN Dem Dread.Thou speaken in toungues? Which toungue is this? I heard some shooting around mid night in town centre, and taxi drivers were hooting I hope the police have not shot some one.
#152 Yes i remember both chaps u have mentioned and were u known by any nickname?
#154 No i don’t think i had any nickname neither was i a popular person,join my forum & send me a private mesage when you’re logged in.
afrofusion.proboards.com
#155, right away
#155 my username there is Papa,am the admin
#153 You are for Village Concept? So you must know de lingua. Slave master did whip Kunta Kinte when him refuse to speak like Slave master. After 400yrs of slavery, some Black people still waan speak like Slave master but I man Dread is de conqueror, me no lamb fi no slaughter. Me nuh go speak Slave master lingua again, seen?
#156,Mudala,what a small world,i have sent u private message on my forum.
Politics, religion and tribalism, what an inflammable mixture….
how much is akabynga???? i here na ka dyla..
Yush bloggers, me gaan!
# 151, Ba Yama mwa chajisha na Kachasu or Those-are-those? I am sure in all Barracks (looks like Barack yaa?) they are also charging. Someone said we hear some attempts next week. I mark his works. I remember those days of abena Mwamba Luchembe (some of you mwali abaiche)…. these are the signs of the beginning of the end of MMD.
By-the-way, the Para in picture his name corporal Sosala Lubasi. He was one of those Police who were on strike last week, demanding Election allowances. He is well known pa KMB police station.
The majorit is supporting violence on the net but in realite am sure its the opposite. Zambia look at your neighbour Congo and answer yourself, is violence the solution? the majorit of people in Zambia want peace. pleas o you sons of b$$t$es and ng’angas stop what doing and give the real son’s of God peace.. AMEN!!!
LT stop filtering!
I found this on the citizens democratic party website.
“The whole world is watching as to whether Zambia will be another example of a failed African state. On the contrary, we wish to urge our people to prove to the world that we are capable of treating each other in a dignified and humane way, despite different olitical allegiances. We should not succumb to wild political emotions that will only lead to the destruction of our great country, and peaceful reputation.
thecitizensdemocraticpartycom/pre-electionstatement
Third world syndrome. Tumfwa ubucushi kwati ni sweet mbalala. So what will rioting solve- for those of you who are agreeing with this rubbish? You think RB will now say OK bane let me step down? Ney. All we need are MPs who will be discussing issues that address their electorates’ aspirations. Not when it comes to debating issues they are just dozing or insulting their colleagues. Wait ’til they start debating we see whether the so-called opposition will table any problem-solving Bill at all.
The people of Zambia shall not be taken for granted by MMD in the name of peace. This is what happens when people are pushed against the wall. I feel pity for mother Zambia.
Like I have always said, this is just the begining of the worse to come.
We’ve seen it in Kenya, we have seen it in both countries that sandwitch us, Zimbabwe and the Congo. And what makes us believe we can be spared?
Lord have mercy.
Shame on you PF who are supporting acts of violence. Would you be supporting these pf thugs if your car , shop or goods were destroyed? Father Bwalya is not a father and is not fit to be a preacher. shame on him
mak yobe lt
Pa Zed, we have gone back to UNIP days. Why is govt reacting in such a manner if the Father’s views are not true? The only time we see our govt reacting like this is when they have something to hide. The true shall surely be heard one of these fine days from whoever!!! The biggest problem with our police is that there are trigger-happy and that policeman in the picture am sure is thinking “if only they were real bullets, we are wasting time with this teargas”
Name: Paparrazzi | Country of residence: On the Trail | Written: Friday, 14 November 2008 (01:58) 10471
NEWS FLASH
All 38 kitwe kaponyas netted in the riot on wednesday to be dumped at Kabwe’s Mukobeko maximum prison pending gradual court hearing that could last many weeks in kabwe.Meanwhile 52 kaponyas teargassed during the riots in serious condition with some injured in the facus.
utupinfya twa maf..(piece a shi)
para matha-matha!
Have you seen why ba PF are KAPONYAS? This is the reason why they not suppose to rule.
tools of oppression
Have you seen why ba PF are KAPONYAS? This is the reason why they are not suppose to rule.
so most of you blogers think Sata was going to make things better? I dont understand you. Between you who is educated and even staying abroad and the kaponya, who can make a better president? Guys please think? like it or not Mazoka, HH and Dean Mungo’omba are the best candidates that have contested the presidency in recent past. The reason they lost is the reason Zambia is still suffering…pettiness!!!!
#169 How many PF MPs are capable of debating in paliament? Kabushi and Bwanamkubwa MPs are very useless chaps. They are suppose to be bus conductors or taxi drivers.
ngawa solver calculus does not mean you are fit to be presido! waumfwa! there are but many human attributes which qualifies ones to be president. So, DONT think that the guys you mentioned could have performed any better, besides there must be a reason or reasons they all lost. Probably, not presidential material, i can only agree with you on issue, and that is, Being Petty. Damn! why do we always think the opposite way?
Observer; that Citizens Democratic Party Statement is on point- the media needs to read that. Zambians visit the “citizens democratic party |dot| com” under the Pre-election statemnt- they predicted this stuff happening in Zambia!
Well, they say give a man enough rope and he will surely hang himself. Sata has been given a long enough rope and he has hang himself very fast. Wait and see what is to follow from this nonsense. Sata has lost it and will never have it any easy in Zambia. May be he should consider duping the congolese but he has failed to dupe Zambians. After all, Sata is a Tanzanian not that Tanzanians are bad but the majority of them are humble. As for SATA it is that character forming cigarette that makes him act the way he does. Well, it has cost him the presidency. Sata enjoy your cigarette. Zambia is better without you old man. Good luck and keep ranting – nalakunyela – nalakunyela!!
Correction:
Observer; that Citizens Democratic Party Statement is on point- the media needs to read that. Zambians visit “the citizens democratic party |dot| com” under CDP news on the left handside; the Pre-election statemnt- they predicted this stuff happening in Zambia!
RB is our fourth President but quiet. Why? Nzelu bane nzelu bane zangochulukilatu yeee! Sata wants the job but he can’t have it. FTJ got the job but failed to do it. LPM got the job and did it in style but the grandmaster of all these small players is – KK wamuyaya wamuyaya. I still feel KK is my president every time I travel abroad for some reason. Why? Because you mention Zambia then everybody wants to know about KK. That is reality for those of you that have never travelled. KK was simply one of Africa’s greatest leaders after Nkrumah. We have to give credit where it is due. Amone kabotu no ma Lozi!!
Yah, this PF – indeed Poor Finishing ka!
PF – Purely Funny but crazy!
#188, don’t insult them PF cadres because once they start you won’t have lunch, won’t sleep and won’t have anywhere to hide. They are big hooligans who you can only silence through a vote which should be counted last. They have no concept of an algorithm because most of them including their snake charmer, SATA, left School through the window. They specialise in insults so watch out. And truelly, they insult in a big way.
Did you watch znbc news today, in Chimwemwe compound people do their pupus in plastics. These pf guys are lazy thats why they want free money in their pockets,they can’t even dig pit latrins imwe bantu sure tasauka. Even a died person can accept sata’s defeat, how can you win in three provinces out of nine and claim victory. Rb had shares in all the nine provinces thats why he won. Sata my dear old man go and farm you are finished for failing to win these elections because you do not consider other tribes as important. Viva mmd.
@#189. Chibe Chibe
HAHAHAHAHAHA
YOU MADE ME LAUGH. YOU HAVE MADE MY DAY.
QUOTE: “They have no concept of an algorithm because most of them including their snake charmer, SATA, left School through the window.”
HAHAHAHAHA.
Please pray this old man called Sata-he is simply going through the usual temptations on earth. He wants material things but he does not understand the value of his spiritual life; he wants to be worshipped but he does not understand the value of worship; he wants to be known by everything the bible preaches but he does not understand the message in the sermons he copies; he wants to be idolised but he does not understand what the lord says about being idolised. Please forgive this man- He is really playing in the devil’s hands-Let us pray for him. He will one day see God’s point of view. Zambia belongs to God and NOT the devil!!!Nothing will go the devil’s way, its written in the scriptures
;Take note
Observer; that Citizens Democratic Party Statement is on point- the media needs to read that. Zambians visit “the citizens democratic party |dot| com” under CDP news on the left handside; the Pre-election statemnt- they predicted this stuff happening in Zambia!
Uwatuka nyina takamone nyima ukamutalalika nga ba mutuka! The simple translation to this proverb is that : If you insult your mother, no mother will ever comfort you when you are insulted or even beaten. PF advise Sata about the value of this proverb or else I will conclude you don;t love him. You simply enjoy his rhetoric and the opaque beer he buys from borrowed funds. Mukamwipayila abana;
#180, Yes without bias, Mazoka would have made a very good president of Zambia. But he lacked strategy because he allowed FTJ to know his weakenesses and FTJ thought no one would ever out smart him. That is why FTJ rigged big time for LPM in his first term but without understanding the man his passion for law – his career and livelihood. The greatest dilemma in being a kaponya is to think all that glitters is gold. Big mistake! To get the presidency; be as ambiguous as OBAMA and say – Yes the Change we shall believe – totally meaningless to all but desparate people won’t argue with you!! And a faltering Bush simply endorses it for democratic credence! Power of Education!
I knew its these school drop outs again, these grade 4s who cannot solve anything in a peaceful manner. Thats why they lost we cannot have such people in power. Rb is better than these opaque beer drinkers, bansele sana etc. Just forgive them you who are wise. Thats not rioting it’s stealing from Mwenyes.
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Anwebo ba #199 mwatalika bu kaponya ku chisi ca bakuba na? That is why even in Zambia now ba Kaponya are leading the way. Why charge an innocent Priest? Remember the way John Baptist was treated? Be careful ba RB. Leave the Priest to do his job-preaching justice and liberation where there is none. the Priests feel what people feel and know what people know, and that is why they are good mediators! You choose to ignore them at your own peril.
plis bane kulani.mukasiliza riot then what?the main reason why we africans will never develop is bacause of poor time management.instead of doing something constructive, mubwezana kumbuyo so.we’ll develop only when we realise that time is money.you can complain all you want about RB but he can not build the country alone.dont complain that we’ve got ngwele’s for leaders, maybe we are the ngweles.engaging in such acts of unnecessary violence is like taking retrogressive steps into the stone age.i love my country and would like to work there when i finish my studies but vi mentality va so vinisiliza chimwela.u kind of start asking urself whats the point when ppl obviously dont care?
PF supporters are shameless individuals. You accuse others of trbalism and yet Luapula, Northern and Copperbelt voted Sata. They allege rigging without facts. To them free elections Sata must win. The rest of Zambia has taught you and the Post a lesson that Lupula and Nothern is not the whole of Zambia.
As for this trbalist Rev Bwalya or is it Rev Bwalwa let him face the law. He needs to be taught a lesson. Where did he ever work as an elections official. He has committed a crime by inciting violence. The law should apply to everyone equally and he should go to jail.
SATA will cry and cry he will never be president of Zambia. The next constitution we will have a provision requiring 50%
frank bwalya is a PF cadre
#10, Viva PF my ass.let Sata tell his kaponyas to stop it and just accept that his old behind was kicked.I love my Zambia very much.wake up guys and look at what Mugabe has done to Zimbabwe.once upone a time Zimbabwes economy was by far better than ours.
Levy M.H.S.R.I.P. did what Supper ken and Kafupi failed to do in 37 years.Most of you talking big are not even in zambia
Kwenu kwenu you will come home one day. in sickness or health
RB was supposed to be saying something a speech to encourage people a speech to make people belive that he will be the good leader.Like the way Mwanawasa did people didnt like him when he got into power nut he immediately showed people that his their president he spoke and people heard.And the people new ther is nothing they can do but listen.BUt this RB has been quiet from the time he was elcted these are thes causes.He should speak on the mealie meal etc.That is why people have resorted to looting it from olympic.How can you arest a priest who speaks on behalf of the people.Having a riots in CB means endangering our economy.The other thing they should make sure recount is done early.
#204 yes your ass. may you be hit by a train
How can people accept results when they are not verified they have asked for a simple task why not do it as fast as they can just as they did when swearing in RB.He swore in two hours after being declared winner.And president from other countries managed to come how did they know.It tyakes about two hours for a flight from Jo’burg to Zambia.He wasnt late.
These are the things that brought about confusion.
The catholic Church is non partisan and we cant say that priest backing Sata.His speaking on behalf of the people of the copperbelt.The copperbelt voted Sata now you expect him to be talking about MMD.He woulf be in problems.And his not doing anything because his Bemba NO.
#207. paddler
You PF cadres ndimwe ma satana zo-ona. Already you have started wishing harm on someone (# 204 Kafue).
What is wrong with you.
The only thing you think about is violence.
#208. Trigo
That priest is making false accusations. He is making claims without proof to back it up and this has the potential to disturb the peace that Zambia has enjoyed since independence.
If he has proof that the MMD rigged elections, let him provide it and go to the courts instead of making hear-say statements.
It is time people in the copperbelt grew up and realized that Zambia is not the copperbelt only but all nine provinces. They must also seek civic education so they can grasp the concept of “majority rule”.
#202. Cheese Teka bola panshi,Tekanya Sata says he has facts he says he will go to court now what are you saying saying he doesnt have facts.
And you are even insulting a man of God by calling him a tribalist.Dont you know you would get cursed by doing that.
RB’s leadership seems to be like that of his relative from Zimbabwe Mugabe.Anyway since they come from the same country no wonder.Infact have you noticed they both have very young wives.Could their tradition.ooo i sense danager i just hope Zambia will not be like Zimbabwe looks like that were we are going.
Lets be serous we need RB to start behaving like a president not what his doing keeping quiet.Ok may be his sick recoverin
On 8/11/08, I wrote about Peace in Zambia on Dear mr president#10262.
I said peace in Zambia is born out of love and believing we are all one. If peace is taken for granted then violence is inevitable especially when people’s voices are not heard and respected by those in the govt and not in govt.Neither the police or army will break or destroy the spirit of the might Zambians. Chachacha is a very good example which brought the freedom and peace we cherish, love and enjoy so much.If the police and the Army continue to use threats and intimidations people will use any means to achieve their goal. RB should have known that intimidation and corruption breed tension and division among pipo
210. Free-Market-Capitlst >What you are saying is very true its a danger to give statements without proof and the priest was warned once.But in such a time it very trick to arrest someone like him who people trust.And is their voice may be if they had him arrested after the recount as the recount would have been the enough proof that RB won.To be able to maintain peace in the country we need the recount done to make certain to the people who won as the president is already in office.If he was not in office it would have been slightly different like in the united states You could clearly see that Obama won by a large margin.And he has to wait till january 20th to be sworn in.When George
Bush won election in 2000 there was a recount and since the date of swearing in is far they made sure they verified before he got into office.Anyhow thats what we need to work on in our constitution, this is all a learning period.Somrtime i feel this is good for the country things are happening during the time of the national constituion conference (NCC)
#213. Trigo
Ok we await for the recount but is it right for the priest to be making accusations even before the recount is done??
The priest should wait for the recount before voicing his opinion on the elections. This is how most violence happens in Africa. It starts with the media. The media is a very powerful tool. The media made Americans believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The media made westerners think as if everyone who comes from Africa leaves in a mud hut. The media deceived Sata and many people to think as if he had a lot of support.
The priest should be careful with the way he uses the media.
COTD.If not careful Zambia will be heading in chaos/ tension. If elections were won based on merits then no one will question the outcome. The current ECZ is toothless and lacks creditibility to ispire the Zambians as it is seen as a the govt machinery for rigging elections. Look at the pipo running this sensitive organ Danny Kalale OP. the printing of 60000 extra ballot papers. Returning officer found with marked ballot papers for RB just to mention but afew. The NCC must look at rules and laws for ECZ, ACC,Judiary, police – law enforcing agents to operate independently. If let say the outcome of verifying ballot papers come out that there are more votes or than the registered voters or
It is my utmost belief that priests are there to preach and promote peace in communities and the world over. What is surprising in the current generation is that priests have turned into politicians who deserminate messages of division and war. Countrymen, let us be realistic. We should not support certain acts simply because the priest is acting in our interest but the key point is any statement uttered that jeapardises peace is a danger to humankind. Why should a priest leave the altar to go out and preach the language of politics ? Doesn’ t the priest preach to both politicians and nonpoliticians to convent them to christianity ? What a priest, a father of doom. Fuseki, ubupuba.
COTD.rigged. Will the court of law disqualify RB rule in favour? Then the time for hardway is very eminent and chaos will be the talk of the day. I pray that all political leaders remember that there is only one Zambia and one nation that we all love and proud of. Political leaders to learn to respect one another and put the country first before their political ambitions but also respecting the will of the people and not rigging elections. ‘all the flowers of the tomorrows are in the seeds of today’.& the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convinience but where he stands in times of challenges and controversy. Political leaders choice is yours.
People are just TELLING RB TO WAKE UP AND START WORKING.TIME IS NOT WITH 3 YEARS IS TOO SHOT A TIME FOR ONE TO FIND TIME FOR SLEEPING.VIVA PF
This commanding Police Officer did not want to arrest Fr Bwalya, he has reacted to this after anintimidation from chi Shikapwasha for the permit he granted to PF for demonstration. Arresting of Fr. Bwalya was one way of revoking the permit. We Zambia we must be vigilant with this MMD government.All these they are trying not to review the truth about the elections. Ka TENTAMASHIMBA threatened people to be beaten if they dont vote for RB where was the police at that time. But an innocent priest has been arrested for telling the truth is now arrested. Wait it is just a begining more to come. The next to be arrested are those talking about the price of meal meal.
#217 you are wrong, priesthood is not just about preaching the gospel alone. There are three thing priests do upon annointed. They become Teachers, prophets and leaders. They speak for those voiceless. 1990 it is the same priests who helped MMD, Chiluba third term,it was the same Catholic. If the MMD and the police start intimidating the the mouthpiece of the voiceless and defenceless then it will be very hard for them. The church is big and more complex than MMD may think. This will only add more fuel to what is happening. The govt directive to the police will do more damage than good. The catholic church has contributed to Zambia more than MMD has done. MMD must work with the church.
You twats should realise that violence of any kind shouldn’t be condoned. If you want to throw stones, go and join the war in Darfur. These call boys are so backward its disgusting. Why not hold a protest? Why do you have to loot and destroy property? All of you on here who think this is justified should desist from being BACKWARD. This is very embarrasing.
Why are you talking about court? Judges were the ones who were anouncing the results do you think and they are the ones who will there handling the case. Do you think the will be against the results they were anouncing.
My Big man SATA forget about recount dont waste money. See what has happend after being granted a permit then one threatend the police and later found a way of revoking permit by arresting Fr Bwalaya for the truth
did anyone blogging here actually have a chance to listen to the radio program that led to this arrest? i didnt so i am limited and cant say whether the priest said anything wrong. seems our constitution has many loopholes how can we say we have freedom of speech but people should be careful what they say? its a total contradiction and pipo pliz note that the RIOT did not start because of what was said on the RADIO but rather because people where unhappy with the way it was handled and this is just a frustration that has been building up, did they not also ban petersen from performing because of his song ANYANDULE? if RB continues these traits i’m worried becoz people can only take so much..
#223. kuntakinte
What truth. You mean that the MMD rigged elections?? If that is the truth you are talking about then can you please provide proof.
I’m sure you have heard of the words “innocent until proven guilty” so until someone provides proof, the MMD is innocent.
#222 Dont insult you are same people who are provoking violence so that you accuse PF. We know MMD tacticts -set the house on fire then pretend to quench it. My appeal to fellow Zambians is that lets keep our cool and leave the fate of MMD to the almighty. He does not disappoint. Fr Bwalya again I appeal to you take a rest the rest will just fall in place
If MMD You decide to pardon Chiluba, set him free for all the crimes he has done then against Zambians then I call upon the civic society, church, PF, KK, UPND and other Concerned Zambians to kick or remove MMD from Power. Now is the time, already Teta owns Mansa Milling but his mealie meal expensive. so what are they telling us.
Lets bring down this Government over Chiluba.They have played with our minds for too long. the short man should have been behind bars by now.
Beware of ” men of God”. In Rwanda the catholic priests fuelled the genocide. Some priests have even been convicted by the courts. In Germany the catholic priests supported massacre of jews
The Commander in Chief shud bring the boys and deploy them so as to discipline these Pabwato bastards. Zed has never been a violent nation and wud want it to remain so. GBM loses and starts hoarding grain and then increases the price of mealie meal so that government cud get the blame. Tax on fuel has been reduced forcing the decrease of fuel, then what logistic does GBM has for increasing our staple food. Just remembered GBM is a Pabwato boy.
and you say police officers were in riot gear,that chap(shark) is just wearing a helmet,tear gag does not discriminate.
This fake priest was promised a job by the cobra…i understand his anger.Same goes to mmembe,security for his dead business.
And for those calling on RB to speak,u should know that MMD is a democratic party / GRZ with able officers in various ministries. Unless all these guys fail to do their jobs…then and only then will his Excellency The President come in….its the very opposite of Sata and his ka ntemba.
Dont worry boys and girls,the Commander in Chief is around alright.
I for one feels that the Post Newspaper are the ones inciting violence in this country. Come one Post, swallow your pride and accept that your candidate lost. The articles that you keep on publishing will never reverse the fact that your SATAN had no constituency in rural areas and as such couldn’t gather any votes. If this country gets into war, its because of you the POST. And if we fight, I wonder who will be buying your newspapers. There are other credible articles that you can write about rather than SATA, SATA, SATA, SATA. I hate it.
intimidation and corruption breed tension so watch out for General Isaac Chisuzi and Emphraim Mateyo these two are intimidating people just because they are corrupt especially Emphraim Mateyo and Peter Mumba, the case of Fawaz Shawi in Kitwe they know better, Fawaz was funding this people’s house construction we know them that is why they did want SATA to be president. We wll be revealing this things now. dont talk too much about PF.
Is our new President alive?
Typical of PF hooligans. Full of thuggery and violence. No wonder they lost elections! Bangweele!
No Coments because I happened to be in kitwe yesterday and I was also cot. I’ve just bein released.
#226 Im the one provoking violence? dont make me laugh! The sooner you realise that the scope of such unrest can be bigger than you think, the wiser you’ll become. Its not about PF or MMD anymore, is about ZAMBIA. Peace is he order of the day, dear boy. I understand that people may have grievances, but must a priest incite riotus behaviour at the sake of state security? I am absolutely against a divided Zambia…YOU’RE the one provoking violence.
Ezekiel 13: 1 – 16
It is written.
Just close Radio Ichengelo and teach them a lesson. Full Stop. Catholics are not christians, those of us who are filled with the holy ghost know that.
These PF losers have no self value. They are still whining about a clear loss. How Pathetic. I was yesterday engaged to some Miss President who completely misunderstands the principle of free speech. If a priest is out of line as the case is he must be charged. What you are seeing in kitwe is directly as a result of the incitement he caused. Period
A priest who deliberately takes a partisan stance voicing it through public media is highly dangerous. The priest of all people should be the last person to incite violence.
I will rise from the dead to sort out PF thugs.
No # 35 u think statistics like that we feed your tummy you know what selfish people like FTJ , VJ are capable of doing,If you consider it a norm well and Good otherwise VJ worked with all the 3 past presidents now including Nyama Soya who has gone to sleepy….. Zambians we are in trouble as long as certains masks are seen in political circles and one wonders why they resurface during elections.
Thank God Sata will never be President of Zambia. The Kaponya mentallity in him is a disgrace to all peace loving Zambians.
Whatever they did, whatever the motive, whatever the time, whatever the concerns, from whatever angle you look at it its wrong to attack innocent people and their businesses. Its not the attacked that that arrested Fr. Bwalya. We should learn to resolve issues amicably and if the other party involved in resolving such issues aint interested, lets wait for a better time.
We are all aggrieved at Rupiah’s shameful and undeserving victory but this doesnt mean we take the lae in our hands. No.
Shame to the perpetrators of violence! Shame to prophets of doom! Shame to the self centered! Its taken a long time to build a peaceful Zambia. Lets maintain this. Not another Kenya please!
A very wicked Priest this Bwalya is. He is simply hiding behind the collar, he is certainly not fit to be a priest.
#240…i totally agree with you. This ”man of the cloth” is now a full time cadre. Iam certain he has littered chimwemwe with some junior father bwalyas already.These chaps have no morals and will go to great lengths to bring discontent in the community…eg RWANDA.
Using a radio station to attract small girls and win PF support is just LOW.
A normal priest will understand that the tongue though small it may be can cause a huge fire. A priest must weigh his words well before uttering anything out. He must be a fair assessor of situations. The disgruntled losers(PF) are simply trying to ride on his back justifying their illegal behaiviours behind the utterings of a seemingly innocent priest. This priest is evil.
This priest knows the cpabillity of rallying followers who have placed the sanctity of the ‘white collar’ before the one wearing it. They believe the priest cant be wrong because he is ‘a man of God’. This priest is directly the type that could be said to be ‘wolves in sheep clothing’. A sincere priest will know the right channels to address grievances and not blow the trumpet regardless of the consequencies.
MANY PEOPLE IN ZAMBIA ARE ANGRY BECAUSE THE GRZ TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM. ITS NOT FR BWALYA’S FAULT THAT PEOPLE ARE DEMONSTRATING. FR UMBERTO WAS VOCAL BEFORE MMD CAME INTO POWER AND NO ONE AMONG ALL OF YOU BLAIMED HIM AND CALLED NAMES. IT IS SOCIAL JUSTICE TO CRITICISE CORRUPTION. PEOPLE ARE ANGRY.
We as zambians are quick to say we are blessed with peace. This is 2008! We do not protest against matters by being violent, That is so 5 decades ago. Innocent citizens were injured because of protest against a Catholic Priest who was comfortably sitting in a holding cell in a kalulushi police station!Come on people!!!!
I think RB will be a weak president, how can a not form a new government in almost three weeks. Did he expect to lose?
tawaba lazy.mwaiba sana.if only MMD has a heart for others,it seems all they are inerested in is they back pockets.be sensible.bamunkusa
#250
There is still the majority of voters who have given the MMD government the mandate to rule through the ballot. PF and supporters are simply not ready to accept the results even if confusion ensues. The responsibillity to ensure transparency is there for all to avail. This priest speaks his opinion through a public media. This is wrong, he cant do that for conscious sake. He cant incite the public, it is illegal.
viva sata we are behind you viva youths and viva change
#237 Again you are wrong. I advised you not to insult because you are annoying people. What is wrong with just giving advice to would be rioters on the evil of this than to call them names?
HE IS NOT GUILT UNTIL PROVEN GUILT IN THE COURT OF LAW. HE KNOWS WHAT HE WAS DOING NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO JUDGE HIM.
Who does not not that the Rwandan genocide was triggered by such irresponsible utterings through public media. The same evil priests that were inciting violence are facing charges of genocide. This Bwalya knows these facts very well and yet he still goes ahead and does the very thing. This priest is like those wicked Rwandese priests very insincere to his calling. Of all people the priest should be an advocate for peace, not for violence.
#42 PLEASE MIND YOUR LANGUAGE.
THERES NO TENSION IN ZAMBIA PEOPLE HAVE COME TO REALISE THAT SATA LOST PERIOD.I FOR ONE COME FROM WESTERN PROVINCE AND I M TELLING YOU THE TRUTH IF YOU THINK WESTERN PROVINCE CAN VOTE FOR THE OPOSITION THEN YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.MWANAWASA DID WONDERS AND PEOPLE ARE IN LOVE WITH THE MMD BECAUSE OF LEVY.NO WONDER BANDA WON ALL THE NINE CONSTITUENCIES
# 247 & 248: If the priest had said the opposite, that is, the MMD won fairly, would you call him a saint?
The priest weighed his tongue well because this subject is only on the majority in Zambia that Election were not free and fair. Go in bars, schools, work places, on streets and of course in church the subject is awe twanka na ba kelenka.
And where is RB in all this? Is the man alive? Anyhow Fr Bwalya for me should be very careful, call it freedom of speech or whatever, some country in east africa around the great lakes used freedom of speech to exterminate others, there is a fine line between hate speech and freedom of expression, when you call someone a cockroach, that surely is some form of freedom of speech isn’t it. The problem we have in this country is that we sometimes behave as though we are a very advanced society yet we are not, America just had an election did you hear anybody raise a finger in protest and start destroying property? That is the difference
#261 what was not free about this election. And ofcourse it will not be fair some people lost, what is fair about losing? Tell me! What was not free, let us not behave like NGOs who half the time say things they do not understand, has anyone even taken time to read the SADC protocal on elections and good governance or we are just going with the wind? Guys let us be careful with the words we use, ‘free and fair’; ‘transparent’ etc, even in the US in 2004 some african americans has problems voting because the american electoral system is not yet perfect.
why is it that almost all bembas are pf includin Fr Bwalya?
#261 Retired Voter
The context is vital in understanding the situation. The fact of the matter is that PF has disputed elections inspite the elections being declared free and fair by all independent observers. A sizable number of PF have openly claimed rigging and PF have in fact indicated publicly that they will pursue this matter through the courts. This priest is entitled to his own opinion on this matter, but he cant use the public media to express that opinion in the circumstances that he did. The Rwandese wicked priests did exactly that.
#256 just zip it, buddy..ive failed to understand what you’re on about..sorry, ill reiterate back to my point: anyone inciting violence that threatens the stability of a nation should be dealt with. if i were president, i would lock up the WHOLE kitwe if i had to…..oh yeah…
Cha Mwenso
People were hurt, Property was destroyed and you sit there and say well done!!!!! ULICHIPUBA!!! I supose you are one of the Kaponyas we have been talking about!!! Yes we need change but violence and unruleness is not the anser….
FREEDOM CAN NEVER BE GIVEN FREELY BY THE OPPRESSOR IT MUST BE DEMANDED BY THE OPPRESSED
Yafeki ba Kitwe, tukawinafye bwino but akamutende kesu kachikata natukasungilile. Mwilabako one Zambia one Nation, tamwaishba ulubilo elyo pa neba pa DRC yalitapata teti mubutukilepo.
Ba Chinena are you in Zambia or in another planet? Didn’t you hear of peaple caught with pre marked ballot papers, extra prints of ballot papers, voting on non voting day?
Now John Chinena explain on the vain diagram if the above is fair?
Ba kapokola imisango yabo, Na breakfast ulipamulu talile pa pakuya ku job.
Umuntu mutwe. The bigger the head the smaller the brain. Does RB fit in this description ladies and gentlemen.
we PF are happy this what we enjoy
Oh My God these Kitwe cadres, why can’t they leave my husband to rest.He has to catch up on his sleep.Don’t you remember that Mulongoti promised to give me leave so that they can sort out the Post and I also guest this includes sorting out Fr Bwalya.
well well to the look of things and to say the truth people are just angry with government , father bwalya’s case is just an excape goat imwe…
#270 Those are simply allegations, go and prove that in court. Did you catch one culprit yourself. Your position and inclination has bent you to take those allegations as facts. Deal with independent medium to have an unbiased position.
Are there any mdeia regulation bodies in zambia? Its seems to be free-for-all as far as irresponsible media reporting is concerned. When is this irresponsibility going to be curtailed?? When the country burns down?? Most pipo claiming the election was rigged did not even vote (Im sure even Fr Bwalya and mmembe didnt vote!); you expect your candidate to win through divine votes?? Lets be gracious in defeat bane; crying foul and dragging the country down the drain is not going to instal your candidate in statehouse. Ba PF go back to the drawing board and see where you got it wrong.
#264 WHY IS IT THAT ALMOST ALL TONGAS ARE FOR HH EXPECT FOR VJ & DANIEAL MUNKOMBWE ????????????????????
Please leave Independednt media alone. They have the facts on the table. It was too much of these irregularity on this electrol process.
Abash Violence but let the people state the facts. Bravo Fr Bwalya!!
Also shame on ECZ- if this election was truly freee and fair, we shouldnt be sitting with issues by now.
God Bless Zambia
#261. Retired Voter,
To go to a bar to find out if elections were free and fair is the last thing I would ever think about.
it not the first time the chatholic church has caused problems in a counrty. they are known for that world over. in the Rwanda’s case of genocide, catholic priests were in the mix of things. one of them was even convicted by international tribunal for inciting genocide. this priest incited genocide purely on tribal lines. if the so called father Bwalya is genuine why can’t he wait to present his invidence in court other than preach hatred on radio? what makes him think that all catholics support PF? i am now even ashamed of being a catholic because i do not support such nonsense. i will now consider quiting the catholic church as it seem they just want to push an angenda best known to them.
#279
It is only PF, an interested party, that have taken your stance. You choose to believe that all have issues with the fairness of the elections and results. That is your problem, dont extend it to all Zambians.
#279. Observation
If the media has facts then what are they waiting for???
Why don’t they use those facts to help Sata in his court case. They are keeping valuable information from Sata.
I was there and that policeman in the picture, Alex Musonda i hit him on his head with a stone.We want change and this is by stoning the police or whoever come closer.
Viva H H he does not support rioters
#266 Dont insult me coz I can do better than you but I wont do it as am peace lover unlike you who dont see wrong as long as you hold the power. Violence is bad so are isults. Chapter closed and to answer lest I become violent angainst my principles
Evidence !!!
long live pf long live sata
#279, somehow I do not believe that if PF had tangible facts about the alleged rigging they would have kept those facts to themselves. I recall when president sata (with a small p) was asked by foreign journalists to share the evidence of rigging, he broke down into unprintable insults (nothing surprising there); if he had facts, Im sure he would have shared them then or afterwards. Upto now all we here are unsubstantiated and baseless of vote rigging. Where is the proof? My candidate Miyanda also lost and he is gracious about it. maybe PF need to emulate those of us in the village concept.
PF started the issue of vote rigging and ballot paper stories during campaign. How many vehicles did they impound? How many people did they accuse of having ballot papers for rigging? None of those cases were true; they simply alarmed and discouraged the elactorate. PF could have won but they discouraged their own supporters by telling them that the elections would be rigged. It is this same confusion that PF will never get into govt. There is no order in their way of doing things. And this thing cold vote recount; the pre-requisite of it is vote verification. Now do you tell me verification is a mere ritual, or it is the first step before necessity of a recount can be undertaken?
WE WILL NOT BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED….AFRICAN LEADERS ARE A SHAME TO THE REST OF THE WORLD… U USE PEACE AND THE BIBLE TO HOODWINK THE PIPO JUST BECAUSE U WANT TO CLING OWN TO POWER….
#288 Sarah
PF deliberately choose not to see issues the way you have stated them. Thanks for your clear cut view of things and wish more people could reason like you.
The protest will still not put more money in your pockets imwe baka bova. Just continue earning an honest living. Even your Satana will not work miracles. Hellooooo. Oh, my oh my, low IQ I suppose…
Dear Mr President RB,
Congratulations for rigging the presidencial by-elections. Our concern as Zambians is that after you rigged the elections you went to catch up on sleeping when Zambians can’t wait to see your mediocre type of leadership. Didn’t Tetamashiba warn you that plot one is demading, I’m very sure that you have now found a more comfortable bed at state house but wake up and give leadership to those invisible voters who voted for you.
Hahahaha what a leader! you will never be my president
Yours sincerely
Ba Zed1
Thats the PF for you. Taxi/bus drivers,Kaponya’s,unemployed youth…. yes thats PF. The sunken Ship movement…..
We are here again, good morning?! I don’t see anything PF to this…
If the verification shows no disparity on the figures, then the courts of law may find no reason why the recount should be done. If the second step which is vote recount was not dependent on vote verification then there would be no need to have verification.
… the 21st century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.
The only force that can overcome an idea and a faith is another and better idea and faith, positively and fearlessly upheld.
#297
thats a very correct statement.
good example is Mmembe suporting Magande and later, Sata to push their own agenda….
its the same GBM supports Sata becoz he can get more business favors,
Matani sponsors MMD and in turn they give is bank deals.. I totally agree with you there BRA!
#293. Ba Zed1
You are cruel person. If you have evidence of vote rigging, please share it with us so we can use it in court.
Stop keeping the evidence to yourselves, share it with all of us so we can use it in court.
And Tetamashimba alleged that Patriotic Front (PF) millers were the ones hiking mealie-meal prices to cause anarchy in the country.
He accused the millers of increasing mealie-meal prices to bring insecurity in the country.
“We are aware that it is some PF millers that are hiking mealie-meal to cause confusion in the country,” Tetamashimba said.
However, Tetamashimba assured the public of a reduction in mealie-meal prices from K55,000 to K45,000 per 25 kilogramme bag.
Democracy should be strenghened by democracy not violence. when violence is used to uphold democracy the your democracy has ceased to exist at that point. It should be about rule of law. state your claim, substantiate it with proof and we’ll listen to you.
Abash violence. its never benefited anyone.
if elections were free and fair, why is talking about them bringing shivers in the spines of govt?
WHY ARE THE BEMBAS PROTESTING WITH THEIR BEMBA FATHER BWALYA. ZAMBIA IS NOT FOR BEMBAS ALONE.
A lesson for all you war/ volence mongers.
Learn from neigbours DRC, once you go down the way of violence you will never see the end of it. Everyone that comes after we’ll use violence to make their voice heard.
Change you can Believe you are right because, The survival of democracy depends on the renunciation of violence and the development of nonviolent means to combat evil and advance the good…
ABASH VIOLENCE!!!
znbc is the media that is reporting in a manner that can incite violence, the 19hrs news on znbc tv yesterday was heavily doctored against PF, they said pf cadres just started driving around chanting anti govt slogans without mentioning the cause of the fracas, even the bbc reported the truth about the cause of the riot, which was Fr bwalya’s arrest. so according to znbc, even upnd cadres were not involved, did they carry out a survey?
ubwato for life……………..die hard ubwato
This bwalya guy is big dissapointment. He knows the right channel to take but chooses to use the wrong one.Shocking to say the least.
There was a day a nice mercedes benz was stoned at the great east road campus.. it was learnt later that it belonged to a former student… stone throwing student….
Dont play with violence. if you ask me we are not at a point were we need to resort to violence.. we cant afford it. those chaps we’ll become more poor and those investors ion kitwe will run away.. then you’ll miss the hated MMD. basop!!
JUST WAIT FOR A PLANED JAMBO(RIOT) BY THE CBU MONKS,WE SHALL LIT THE CANDLE NATION WIDE,NAMUTUBELESHA.
The priest has now been charged with enciting violence… so much for the trouble.
Spectator washibuka shani? ine ndifye best.
304.Zambia
You are still a sick individual because of your myopic tribalistic mind which is not worth a thought at all…of all things you had to go the tribal way…
The bwalya guy is completely irresponsible. Very wicked priest. He has no caring heart and instead very violent heart. His heart is as dark as dark can be and unless he repents, he will fall into the deepest hell, no purgatory safe landing. This guy bwalya is worse than Sata because he hides behind the Bible which teaches peace and not violence. This guy bwalya, no matter who he is must repent for his sins.
free and fair elections will bring peace to the people
Man kunde.
I am best mudala, had late night last night so am feeling kind of tired will leave early to day…need to spend some time with the MRS and the Children…
The priest bwalya is a dark hearted devil with no human heart. I will not be surprised if this guy has been indicted with several despicable sins. He is indeed a ‘wolf in sheep skin’. He reminds me of the old papists who committed henious sins too gastly to be imagined. This is the typical evil priest who hates God yet appears as though he loves God.
you see we Zedians we need to learn and know that, generally speaking, the first nonviolent act is not keeping quiet, but dialogue. The other side, the adversary, is recognized as a person, he is taken out of his anonymity and exists in his own right, for what he really is, a person. To engage someone in dialogue is to recognize him, have faith in him. At every step in the nonviolent struggle, at every level we try tirelessly to establish a dialogue, or reestablish it if it has broken down. When I say ‘the other side,’ that could be a group of persons or a government especially MMD.
Father Bwalya balimulya kumatako muma cello!!!! Alefwa na T.B.
What is democracy? & what is the theft of democracy? People are crying for the later.
Fine and 282 # Anonymous. You are good supporters of a rooten system. The damage on the election has already been done even the verification will not yeild any tangible evidence.
282# Anonymous. It is pointless in Zambia to challenge election results in courts, because the following: Returning Officer, ECZ & Chief Justice. I Know u wld ask y.
We need Fr. Bwalya in our country ,a very courageous man ,able to speak out on issues when poor politicians are busy fighting for positions and engaging in massive corruption.
The wickedness of this bwalya can be seen in the unreasonableness of his undertaking. He knows that he wants to flare up violence and yet denies that directly. No different from the devil himself.
Next time any of you Fr Frank admirers want to pull a stunt like this. You should think thru your approach. You do it wrong and you’ll be charged with enciting violence and then your followers we’ll be evidence for the charge as they’ll surely be rioting. after being charged you’ll be charged K10million plus as bail.After being charged you’ll be found guilty by the courts of law. then all the admirers we’ll freeze into cowardice becoz of your example. then whilest in jail u’ll be tommented by thots of pipo that died becoz of you… then u’ll ask was it worth it???
#321
So what is the alternative, violence?
Democracy is a double edged sword.It is perfect when your party wins and unacceptable when your party loses especially to “villagers'” choice.It should also be accepted that democracy is also a dictactorship of the majority over the minority.Imagine what could have happened if Father Frank Bwalya’s radio programme was being aired in areas where RB got the majority? Democracy has its own discipline. Acceptancy of the results is one of them.If you lose, taking stock of where you went wrong as a party and what you should do next time to avoid simillar mistakes is the noble thing to do. Whether RB was voted by villagers or not does not make him ellegitimate.
Come on No. 21, who ever told u that it was about PF? this was about the arrest of Fr. Bwalya, and just cos he is telling the truth and this truth stabed hearts. So u are content with his arrest, sad.
Next time pls police that station is not PF it is for all peace and God fearing people. So keep away from the man of God.
Vilence cannot stopped by police or army when the majority are convinced they are doing the right thing , Lets hope its not the case. Otherwise it can be an uprising or a revolution.
LT give us another topic
The evil that this bwalya plans can only be exposed by right thinking individuals and those that wholeheartedly pursue the prosperity of all men. This bwalya is an evil person regardless of his title. aNY PERSON WITH A BIT OF KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING CAN EASILY SEE THIS.
Voilence is not a solution mwana neither is the name calling of Father Bwalya (the agent for the voiceless).
Look again at my last paragraph.
There is no need to get tribal here guys. The vilence on the copperblt has no tribal issues. For all i know, we probably had all tribes present there… Lets be fair and wise!!!
I challenge anyone to investigate this bwalya, you will find skeletons under his robe.
What this bwalya stands for is surely at variance with what the bible stands for. For how can light and darkness collude.
For how can you bring about peace by violent means, how.
#270 retired voter, please get down to basics, I usually do not like generalisations, the ECZ said the ballots were used for voter education, has anyone including Sata come back to say there was nothing like voter education. Now that we have dealt with the fair part it is your turn to describe the ‘free’
Anonymous
Go through the paragraph again, Fr. Bwalya is not advocating for violence.
Hi guyz,i have missed today cause my boss wants a Financial report.the riot is good cause its a wake up call for Nyama soya. Morning SArah, V.concept,Baby c, Maestro and Spectator.
How is one to live a moral and compassionate existence when one is fully aware of the blood, the horror inherent in life, when one finds darkness not only in one’s culture but within oneself? If there is a stage at which an individual life becomes truly adult, it must be when one grasps the irony in its unfolding and accepts responsibility for a life lived in the midst of such paradox. One must live in the middle of contradiction, because if all contradiction were eliminated at once life would collapse. There are simply no answers to some of the great pressing questions. You continue to live them out, making your life a worthy expression of leaning into the light.
There is need for this violence to spread to major cities….batubelesha sana. If it means dying let us die fighting for our rights. Enaf is Enaf.
338. SATA is my man, Goodmorning man, hope you are done with your report, as for me today is my last day in the office, I go on my official leave till next year…
Hey, let the riots continue because this govt is not competent
BA pf last time it was undressing, now rioting others are even vowing to die for sata. the wife[who will neva undress] and the guy [ who will neva riot] must be laughing at you[ oh he neva laughs am told] He didnt even thank u 4voting for him.
Uum guys at this point in life you know that enciting violnce or anything does need to be direct.. do we need to tell you this sure.
#334 Change u can Believe
Thanks!
Man on the Ground
Just laugh at yourself ,the issue is not about PF but Kitwe youths.Why are you always scared of the unknown .
tooo bad 4 zed dat people dont have what do n they turn to violence,sata or rupiah ro who ever are unfortunately not the answer for zed.look at sata the poor man is very ambitious, which is good but he is not president material.today zed dont need people like him, coz him, the ftj(jet lee) took our beloved country sixty years back with policies that they borrowed from IMF and World bank. Rupiah is, i dont know, ieven wonder if he has a vission for zed. the pipo is US, yes you and me, violence aint gona help at all. the best wisdom is to learn from other pipo’s misteks
spectator, Man kunde, Biggie nimwebo!!
The spectator
I can understand your indirectly trying to condemn violence lest you are declared a traitor by your fellow violent prone PF supporters. I get it though.
vexed, Uchinshi kuliimwe bakalamba…huts off!!!Nimwee mulengaa…
oh no i have just seen some from Cbu say that they lit a riot,no wander you are a monk, you dont think properly, my only advive stop cheating your self, get yourself a girl friend, atleast you gona have some manners you call your wat? monk police cbu, you slat
#349. Anonymous!!
I am non-violent, so is PF…and I am saying it has it is…
I have seen how cowards behave in the heat of things. Sata hid for a further 2 weeks in Mutendere at his relatives place after the captain solo saga. Even when the situation had become normal, he continued to hide for another 2 weeks.
Defend yo role in the Rwandan genocide and massacre of jews in Germany
I was in town when all this was happening and believe me you it wasnt a pretty sight. One taxi driver carrying small children from school had his car stoned but to damage was done. Imagine the fright those little children had
Ba Richie
Being a Monk does not imply you ve got no girlfriend, It means you dont have a girlfriend oncampus but still something outside campus.And its a good strategy when you in BENG
Sata,please do not offload you anger for losing the elections three times.Zambians do not lose sight,the riots are a bad recep.
PF cadres,if the police arrest you,your chief excutive(sata)won’t even bring you porridge in the cells,Be careful before you demostrate.Sata is just using you for his political popularity selfishly
hello zed,woow, sad that innocent pipo are suffering!
So all those who are supporting this violence don’t know what you are talking about, you were not here to see. The After Ten Restuarant owner had his Toyota GX windows smashed.
99 if these pipo have promised to feed u keep it to yourself. Your bootlicking can suprise even a fly. since when did u feel fine after being told u are lazy or u beg too much, the truth is always unwelcome wake up sleepy, or have u inheritade your sleepy nyama soya manners also
I called the police using 911 three times and they only came when the situation had gotten worse. There and then I believed they are also PF supporters. That police officer kept saying we have dispatched officers there and daaa……they just passed when they came
PF cadres,do not riot for nothing,sata will never bring porridge,if the police arrests you.
sata can insight you,but will not defend you.
PF sympathiers,riots not good,Sata will be busy with his petitioning,so if the police arrests you,
Zp deal with lawness characters.
The game has just started!!
Chasupa kansi.
#239 you want Radio Chengelo closed, do you really know what you are talking about? Catholics are the champions of social justice in Zambia.I dont have to explain this, Iam sure you know what they are capable of doing for the vulnerable. May be Fr. Bwalya has proof for what he talked about on the radio.
THE POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH IS IN THE TONGUE. FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS IMPORTANT BUT BEFORE ANYONE JUDGES A CASE THEY MUST HEAR THE OTHER SIDE ALSO. THIS IS WHERE THE PROBLEM IS WITH THIS FR BWALYA CASE. HE HAS THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH INDEED BUT HE SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED OTHER PEOPLE WITH A DIFFERENT OPINION TO AIR THEIR VIEWS AS WELL. I REFER AGAIN TO THE RWANDA GENOCIDE. IT WAS RADIO THAT FUELLED THAT MOST HORRIBLE SCAR ON AFRICA’S FACE. PEOPLE MUST TALK BUT MUST TALK WITHIN THE RULE OF LAW. IN THE UK, BLASPHEMY, INCITEMENT TO RACIAL HATRED ETC ARE CRIMINAL OFFENCES. YOU ARE FREE TO AIR YOUR VIEWS BUT AIR THEM RESPONSIBLY. A PRIEST OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THAT GOVERNMENT IS GOD ORDAINED.
In conflicts, civilians tend to the object of fighting and bear the consequenses.Material resources and social networks ,which makes daily life posible ,are destroyed.Long standing arrangements of exchange between groups are often broken down.Its is important to recognise that conflicts has beneficiaries as well as victims.Ethinic groups compete frociously for power and influence ,encouraging demands for greater autonomy for populatrion within certain areas and restricting of central government controls. However the economic results may tend to be negative or positive depending on the rationale of the masses actions.
#366. BITU – CN SAYS
YOU ARE WRONG. CATHOLICS ARE NOT THE CHAMPIONS OF SOCIAL JUSTICE IN ZAMBIA. IT WAS A ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST WHO WAS ECONOMIC ADVISOR TO KK IN UNIP DAYS. NOT AT ANYTIME DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SPEAK A WORD AGAINST THE UNIP REGIME! CATHOLIC PRIESTS HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH CHILD ABUSE ALL OVER THE WORLD. IF THESE PRIESTS HAVE BEEN ABUSING THE HELPLESS WHOSE RIGHTS ARE THEY CHAMPIONING? ZAMBIAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS HAVE LOST THEIR CALLING. THE APOSTLES LIVED IN AN AGE OF THE MOST VISCIOUS REPRESSIVE ROMAN EMPIRE, BUT NOT ONCE DID THEY CALL FOR THE DOWNFALL OF THE GOVT. APOSTLE PAUL WROTE ‘SLAVES OBEY YOUR MASTERS’ AND ‘THE POWERS THAT BE ARE ORDAINED BY GOD.’
Someone said we have gone back to UNIP days…True to that word. Fr. Bwalya is arrested for expressing his God Given right, a tactic used by one former head of state to muzzle press freedom. Shame….One wonders what’s coming next. A country with a silent President, Rising Food prices, a crazy forex market, high un-employment above all a frustrated nation. lesa Twafwe….
#367 blasphemy and witchcraft are not crimes in the UK any longer, those are primitive laws
UNIP KUYA BEBELE!
CONT’D FROM #369
THE GREATEST FORCE OF CHANGE IN ANY COUNTRY IS THE GOSPEL. PREACH THE WORD AND NOT POLITICS. FOR YEARS, THE CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN SOUTH AMERICA CHAMPIONED THE SO CALLED ‘SOCIAL GOSPEL’ WHICH IS NO GOSPEL AT ALL BUT FAILED TO BRING DEMOCRACY TO THOSE COUNTRIES. THE HARDER THEY TRIED, THE MORE REPRESSIVE THE REGIMES. WHERE EVANGELICAL GOSPEL HAS BEEN PREACHED, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRULY SET FREE.
where is the president, I hope we dont go about speculations like they made us do over LPM’S illness in France
Fr. Bwalya may be trying to make a name but he is doing it the wrong way. We only have one country and mwikala patalala mwine apatalalika. His statements have been anarchist and I have no remorse to say he deserves to be punished. Lesa alileka ukupanga ifyalo so let’s jealously guard what we already have.
A lot of people on this forum talk a lot but say nothing. Does anyone know what exactly this priest said? Did anyone here on this forum listen to the program that was aired? I dont think so, but we are quick to judge and denounce this catholic priest. I would also want to know how many of the so called zambians living pretty abroad know what it feels like to fail to buy a bag of mealie meal so your family can eat. Do you know what the guys in chimwemwe are going through on day to day basis just to survive? I see a lot comments saying “BA PF Supporter ba kaponya”, dont kaponya’s deserve a better life? I think we all deserve better than that what has been forced down our throats.
Ex, sometime you need to be serious with some issues. do you that if freedom fighters were thinking like you,zambia would have been liberated? You are a coward and i think you must be tonga or lozi.be serious man
what do you say now people of zambia; is this what we truly voted for? wait and see. more is coming soon. anarchy just at the door of your room.
there is something wrong; i think the election were rigged. Electoral commission is corrupt…together with the all leadership.
I dont condone the violence but people can only take so much crap from government.
mwema kufi yandi mwinenuka. we mutima wandi nobe salapuka, fi mwandashi nemipashi iyakowela, teti fincifye Lesa uwa mweo.
Countrymen, so now it seems whoever contradicts this fake govt is being labelled PF, where is upnd in all this, i have the suspicion HH was paid to split the vote, Hh and his gang are happy with the rigged election, they dont even show up for verification, and their mp’s are known demanding that mmd should slaughter the post, shamefull!!!! HH will neva rule this country!
Free-Market Capitist and C I A, you are not in Zambia you just receive ear says. Fr Bwalya had all the results from all the polling stations in Zambia. They had their own representatives from the church. He knows exactly what has happened. The elections results were rigged,it is true. He has evidence to this effect. He was not talking basing on the facts that he has. Wait you will see and live the man of God alone!
kwena twasebana naba BBC balelanda pali nyama soya. i hear he iz still asleep while people r busy rioting in kitwe
iwe luapula fish, dont tell i dont knw wat monkship is ,we started the ayatola movement and ukamba chani iwe?
Fr. Bwalya was sodomised in the cells because he has been sodomising young boys at his parish. Anakamba bwino kusogolo!!!!
VOTE RIGGER
What are telling us that we have not known about , learn to be honest and not to be judgemental .Your data is very deceiving and cannot be proved. Nyama soya should not impose dirty colonial tendancies into Zambian politics.
Vext, The Spectator ,Chansa
Feeling you and keep it burning
Freedom of speech should not be abused by the catholic church to incite violence,if the church has proof that elections were rigged then they should know that there is a way of airing their concerns,it’s not via radio.All those here supporting that ”Father ”Bwalya are rather shallow in reasoning,how do u praise someone inciting violence,look what’s happening to our country now.
VOTER RIGGER
you sound cathoric, i get you, fill bad when pipo attack your organisation or is it company. but the question you must ask is which side is that same fr bwalya, is it pf then it can tell you the stry. lossing an election is painful worse if you lose thrice.but that doesnt justify for the violenc
Think about it mwebantu, who is inciting violence? Did the cops have to arrest him? Could they not have closed down the station temporarily instead? Now they have engineered what they wanted – a ban on tomorrow’s demonstration
#371. Sony Ericsson Phiri
I AM NOT DEBATING LAWS BUT SHOW THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE FREE WORLD THERE ARE LIMITS TO WHAT YOU CAN SAY. LIBELOUS LAWS ALSO RESTRICT THAT FREEDOM. LESS THAN 40% OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE VOTED IN THE LAST ELECTION. THUS THE MAJORITY DID NOT VOTE FOR LABOUR BUT THE RULES ARE THAT THE ONE FIRST PAST THE POST IS WINNER. FR BWALYA IS ALLEGED TO HAVE CALLED THE PRESIDENT ILLEGITIMATE. IF HE HAS NOT, THE COURTS WILL SET HIM FREE. PEOPLE ON THE COPPERBELT MAY NOT LIKE THE PRESIDENT BUT HE WAS DULY ELECTED UNTIL PROVED OTHERWISE. SO FAR HE HAS SHOWN RESTRAINT AND RIGHTLY SO. LET THE LAW TALK.
321. Retired Voter,
You are interesting my friend. What a person has a headache and they acknowledge that they have a headache, it does not mean that you support headaches.
Coming to a rotten system, that is why we now have NCC which SATA boycoted because he wanted the current constitution to remain the same when he comes to power.
SATA was key in the current constitution that governs the elections that he is complaining about.
I am also shocked with the logic of people who think that to get change we need SATA, who was in govt for 10 years with Chiluba and destroyed both the systems and the economy. What change are you looking for?
#376, Monitor: I like your level headedness in the way you have put forward your point. You are mature and not like most of these brats that have access to this forum. I listened to the program that had Fr Bwalya arrested and I repeat that he deserved it. I live in Chimwemwe and struggle for survival but I will not throw stones and loot from innocent people to put my point across. It’s barbaric and a recipe for a full fledged genocide. I have been at the warfront before and I assure you it’s grissly and you wouldn’t want to experience it. I repeat, let’s guard our ONLY NATION. Let’s use legal means when we are aggrieved and not archaic methods bent on anarchy.
#370 you are very right. We are going back in UNIP days where there was no freedom of press. Already media including MUVI TV are not reporting whats happening on the grass root. They dont want to tell the people about the happenings in the country. There is that horrible silence in the country including the president himself. Mind you this is very dangerous. People are scared of the government and the government is scared of the people. Tapali ukwikatana eyo. Ala tachiweme.
long live cab and bus drivers
#379 Monitor
UNLESS ONE IS A MILLIONAIRE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE WORLD TODAY, THE TIMES ARE OUT OF JOINT. MANY IMMIGRANTS ABROAD ARE ASLO STRUGGLING. JUGGLING JOBS AND FAMILY BOTH WITHIN THE HOUSE AND THE ONES BACK HOME. IT IS SAD WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT REALISE THAT A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS REMITTED TO ZAMBIA BY ZAMBIANS ABROAD. THEY HAVE REMAINED COMMITTED TO RELATIVES AND FRIENDS BACK HOME. WHAT ZAMBIANS FEEL, THEY DO TOO. VIOLENCE CANNOT BE CONDONED AND IT SHOULD NOT BE INCITED EITHER. SOMEONE HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR 2 WEEKS AND YOU BLAME HIM FOR MEALIE MEAL PRICE HIKE AND THAT AT A TIME OF A WORLD ECONOMIC RECESSION! I AM NOT MMD, UPND OR PF BUT AN INDEPENDENT.
A.K.A KING COBRA VIVA MUDALA SATA AND PF WE LOVE YOU
Father Bwalya is right , according to the Catholic results they obtained from varous pollling stations RB was not a winner.
A responsible Government can jst step in and correct the situation by emphasising the Published ECZ results as official results.
No need to take him to police, afterall he might be right anyway.He was not trying to make a name , is just upholding catholic values to fight for justice and eliminate injustice practices.
CRY MY BELOVED COUNTRY
Vote rigger, u r just that!
Father Frank Bwalya and these PF lumpens need to be put behind bars to safeguard the lives of the MAJORITY of peace loving Zambian’s. What if Sata had won, would these goons expect the rural voters to run amok? Sata can’t even come out and outrightly condemn such kind of lumpen behaviour. Nonetheless, I’m comforted by the fact that PF is Sata and Sata is PF, so once he DIES, that’ll be the end of this bufoonery…
The high cost in food prices and non response by the government has led to a lot of tension and resentment . The opposition votes combined since 2001 indicates that that the opposition have always been in the majority. MMD has led a minority since 2001. People want change. 17 years of MMD? People have no confidence in the government to improve their lives. The NCC has robbed people the right to have their oppinions heard. Instead NCC uses tx payers money to pay allowances to MPs, most of whom have delivered very little in 17 years. Poverty is rising, government is not cutting expenditure. Bloated government structures (too many ministers). Fuel costs are the highest in the region.
Ba President bali quite, baliya mukupanda amanga yakubachingilila?
Iam a catholic and a very disappointed catholic believer, all that we are getting in the churches now are campaigns, not the word of God. The preaching about love is no more because its like every priest now is a politician. Can the Bishops in the dioceses please sort these priests out and ask them to resign to pave way for the good shepards to continue spreading the word of god. people should not comment anyhow.
Check todays Friday 14 November 2008 Times of Zambia page 5 and read on the features for Congo. Fr Bwalya walaile ukubombela abantu not ukuleta inkondo mucalo, can you revisit your vows. You have really grown wings with the MUTULO we are sacrificing as the followers church
a wise man thinks twice before commenting, the’s no smoke without fire. lets deal with the root cause, people are concerned to the prevailing situation whereby we don’t know what tomorrow holds. can anyone tell RB to stop shaging and get awake to the arising situation.
The same cab drivers are the ones that were given free fuel by the MMD during the heat of the campaighn. Lets be honest, things are not right and a lot of issues have to be addressed. promising people things you are not able to deliver is a grave thing to do. Trying to remain into power even when people are not happy is wrong. The Zambia of 20 years ago is very different from the Zambia of today. People should not be taken for granted even though violence is wrong.
CONGRUTES GUYS
The priest bwalya has a seared conscious. He would rather incite the public that talk about peace. This is a devil of a priest.
People you can debate but the cardinal issue hear is elections,let us address the issue of ECZ, Kenya issue, ZIM issue, it is of election nature. let the system work properly without interference.
#403 How about getting some foreign priest. like from Italy. They may stick to the word. Local chaps easily become political. And it’s not just the catholic. Look around. Only serious ones remain true to the call.
People, please note that when RB increase maize prices in October, the consequence is that input costs went up for millers. This is one reason the mealie meal prices are now higher, as millers pass on the costs to consumers. Standard business practice. RB and the opposition leaders should have foreseen this. If they didn’t, they are poor economic managers.
#398 No need to cry. You fled Zambia in search of the green buck. Shut!!
the stone is a very important instrument, it seems to be the only carrier of messages that the govt hears
NOW YOU SEE WHATS HAPPENING. THOSE OF YOU WHO VOTED FOR RB, WERE IS HE? IF THE RIOT WAS IN LUSAKA, NGATI NINA PONYAKO MYALA NAINE. ENOUGH WITH KUTIDYELA MASUKU PAMUTU IN THE NAME OF PEACE.
There is no tension in the Nation…
This bwalya guy is championing the cause of criminals, not the poor. If he wa concerned for the poor, he would have spent more time preaching the gospel not politics. It is very clear that he wont have any credible defence in court.
Its dissapointing to note that most people are thinking that detaining Fr.Bwalya will bring about peace . In a nut shell ,the nation is likely to experience more violent acts.Its costly to be thinking low
Many minds are simple.
SATA knows about that.
So he manipulates.
It is quite shocking to hear even the elite say rising cost of goods was going to be stopped by SATA.
Many think SATA was going to remove povery.
They say, we wanted sata because things are expensive.
Sata said we will have more money in our pockets.
Indeed a simple remains simple.
I have learnt that there are cases where even education will not help.
This is why SATA says education doesnt mean anything.
He is right in some ways, because he knows how he easily decieves even some elite.
Catastrophe is possessing a simple mind.
It takes logic to be a burden.
I used to wonder, now I know; the simple we’ll always have.
The catholic church does not only comprise of PF members I’m sure it has MMD supporters too. How come then when something happens thats distatesful to some people its always PF or SATA’S cadres can we be fair in our observations and allegations, There were a lot of atrocites carried out over the election period,i.e the van at the air port with ballot papers and the MMD election monitor with ballot papers why werent these labelled SATA’s cadres , because they werent for obvious reasons, and hence,nothing has been said or referred to their behaviors as being wrong in all ways why?, or that as being incited by their leaders.because everything else its SATA inciting them, Guys tuleba Fair
#412 LINX. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT MASUKU. BUT IF YOU WERE ALREADY MATURE DURING KK’s RULE YOU KNOW THAT PEACE AND STABILITY WAS ONE THE EFFECTIVE TOOLS USED BY UNIP TO SUPPRESS PEOPLE WHILE THEY PARTIED THEMSELVE, 7/24. PEACE N STABILITY IS FINE IN THE COUNTRY. BUT IN ZAMBIA IT IS USED TO TAKE PEOPLE FOR F@@LS. AND RB HAS COME WITH THE SAME TACTICKS.
#413 The Spectator you say there is no tension? then I dont know which part of Zambia you are. Just the silence and bitterness in people’s heart can cause tension. Right now people dont know what to do and where to turn to. Its like a country without a leader because we are not getting any word from the government that things will be ok things will go in this direction.
#381 vexed
I understand your vexation. UPND is still here and we have acepted our defeat. we had representatives at the polling stations st Mulungushi verifying votes. If there was rigging we dont know where it came in. We regret the statement by one UPND MP’s but read it fully and you will find faustina also commenting and other pipo. hopefully you will understand the imporatnce of checks and balances on your media. The post was not reporting but propagating.. thats why some of you think SATA had lots of support in areas he lost lamentably… the post made u think so..
# 416 Fine!, Tukwebeko first, u really think you are the most inteligent mbuzi on the planet eh!? the people who support SATA come from all works of life, nyama soya is the one who played on the villagers simple minds, he took sugar and chibuku, you are also a very simple mind, the town pipo who voted for nyama soya are those who directly benefit from him like you, without nyama soya, u wouldint even pay for this internet, u r so gratefull and only championing yo selfish cause!
#416 FINE! YOU ARE A SIMPLE MIND YOURSELF. IN FACT WORSE THAN A SIMPLE MIND. ZAMBIA IS ENDOWED WITH INFACT TOO MUCH RESOURCES THAT EVEN A F@@L CAN TURN POVERTY TO RICH WITHIN A SHORT AND SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME. YOU ARE NOT AMBITIOUS THATS WHY YOU THINK AS SUCH. THOSE WHO HATE SATA ARE AUTOMATICALLY LAZY PEOPLE. I WORKED AT ONE TIME IN THE LUSAKA CITY COUNCIL AND THOSE WHO HATED HIM WERE LAZY CHAPS. HE HAD NO CHIFUKWA (PROBLEM) WITH HARD WORKERS. OF COURSE HE WILL FIRE YOU IF FOUND WANTING. I THINK ZAMBIA NEEDS SUCH AN INSPIRING WORKER. BE LAZY IN THE WESTERN COUNTRIES AND SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU.
PF have been itching for violence for a long time. Funny how athe riots are where PF’s stronghold is. Why doesn’t their leader tell them to stop and keep calm. The same way people will blame RB why is Hon. Sata condoning violence? This must stop, we are not a violent nation. Even if it’s to illustrate frustration let’s be wise.
PF lost, other candidates conceded so what is the problem?
FOR A CHANGE
Mike Mulongoti has been quoted as saying oposition leaders should accept defect Like John Macain deed to ease the tension in the nation – WRONG. Macain accepted defeat but Obama will be sworn in in January. May I ask, why was Rupiah sworn in in such a hurried manner and yet he has kept dumb quiet – something wrong.
Fine!!!
U are a wise brada.
The unfortunate reality is that pipo like sata know how the majority of pipo are easy to manipulate and deceive.
we do need help!
We can’t support irrational violence. Let me ask anyone who supports these acts: what was achieved? Who will pay for the property damaged? If its Public property its coming out of the tax payer’s pocket and if not then some innocent person will pay or it. It surprises me that the so-called “intellects” (students) are joining in burning property- hindering business sectors and blocks roads to prevent fellow citizens from working. So who these actions for? When did the party become more important than our republic?
#420 change whatever, HH is an mmd assistant, he has been aiding mmd to win rigged elections, an opposition candidate challenged the election of chipili in kamfinsa constituency in 2006, after the recount, the opposition’s votes reduced and the mmd votes increased! how possible is this in all fairness?!! this is what mmd is capable of, even ronny mentioned that after the recount the pf vot will even reduce, upnd is i hinderance to development in this country, we also know upnd is a violent cohort, remember Mapatizya?
Breaking news: RB is holding press conference this afternoon.
#419. INSAKA,
I was just being mordant about it, my bad for not coming back to clarify that…because some MMD Minions wants to lie to the people that there is no tension in the Nation, whilst there is a whole lot of confusion going on on…
Sata has nothing to do with the violence,your preaching and singing about Sata is kinda of boring. At times I fail to understand YOU chaps who are so tribalistic that they have even lost their identity. Talk about Fr. Bwakya and SATA and PF.
#421. vexed,
It is very simplistic thinking to feel that SATA is the Change Zambia needs.
SATA was with Chiluba and MMD for 10 years while RB has only been with MMD for 2 years.
SATA together with Chiluba ruled and ruined the country including its sytems for 10 years.
SATA approved Chiluba’s leadership for 10 years.
SATA was satisfied with Chiluba’s leadership; the same Chiluba that PF wants to beat for destroying the country, yet Chiluba got his advice from SATA.
SATA felt that Chiluba exceeded the aspirations of Zambians and wanted him to continue for a third term. Is this the person who will deliver change for you, when he ruined Zambia more than anyone else?
R Chengelo can suffer because of Fr Bwalya. All that can be done is suspend the father but let the station continue
#431 Sata is in Lusaka, the Riots are in Kitwe so where is the connetion.Rioting has many causes eg too many people with nothing to do.
#431 continued..
For all the time SATA was in leadership with Chiluba, everything was going down.
The economy was sliding down with a critically sharp gradient.
RB has only been with MMD leadership for 2 years, and we have seen an upward shift in the economy.
And you think SATA could be the better alternative?
Guys? Even if I was on thinking break I will not fail to see that SATA cannot be an alternative, NO.
If we had a dummy Zambia, I would say try SATA for a period and see if you will be the same supporters that you are.
But since we only have one real Zambia I can’t desire to experiment it with SATA, No way!
ba Fine!, Yo nyama soya is just a sleeping cow now, Ingombe Iledee, no vision for the country, SATA, a man of action is what we need so that chaps like you jack up. This unip re-birth is going to bring chaos in this contry and your anti sata campaign will loose its meaning, if u r happy with the mwadya mwekas just shut it!
eeeh let me defend my colleague Fine here.
Guys we agree SATA is hard working. we have never disagreed with that. our bone of contention is that he lies to pipo. You can clean a city, can be hard on workers so they are upto speed but the economy on which he hinged his political message was misplaced. He does not have the team to do that and he himself has no capacity to improve the things he was promising in 90 days. if Sata had HH’s, Magandes or Mutatis’s brains or anything close to it. then i woould have been the first to support him. But the workaholic Sata is also a maniplator. period
#433. Seen it Before,
The connection is the simplicity of mindsets of his deceived supportes, the PF supporters.
This is where the problem is.
yesterdays action by some kitwe youths is a wakeup call to all stack holders involved in govenring our blessed nation, that even a sheep can react if you over seat on its basic rights .. give PF what belong to PF…..
Let progressive men and women organise ourselves and travel to villages.The objective should be to clobber, burn and clash the those brainless hoodlums who keep on voting and hence plunging our nation into perpetual abyss of umitigated poverty by voting for useless party.The police should join the resolve as they are worst victims suffering in silence.
PF forever
Ba blogger where is solo to over throw these thieves?
435. vexed
What ‘man of action’?
Fighting for third term is the action you are talking about?
Differing with his own MPs for over a year without solving the differences is the leadership you call ‘man of action’.
Changing everyday on his words is what you are talking about as man of action.
If SATA is the change available, then Zambia does not need change!
Listen to the Exhortation of the Dawn!
Look to this Day!
For it is Life, the very Life of Life.
In its brief course lie all the
Verities and Realities of your Existence.
The Bliss of Growth,
The Glory of Action,
The Splendor of Beauty;
For Yesterday is but a Dream,
And To-morrow is only a Vision;
But To-day well lived makes
Every Yesterday a Dream of Happiness,
And every Tomorrow a Vision of Hope.
Look well therefore to this Day!
Such is the Salutation of the Dawn!
no. 397 luapula fish – ala walya iwe kwati kasabi akanona why cant thye govt accept that they rigged – ine insoni thats why nyama soya ali zeeeee
vexed. time and chance happen to all pipo. You had your chance and its over. SATA equally split the vote in 2001 when most pipo wanted to vote Mazoka. Do you think that was also MMD sponsored????
Having resolve is to move forward amid opposition because you have a cause. We will continue moving on with our agenda learning along the way and adhering to true democracy. You my friend can continue rioting and supporting your president sata and his ideas. we tried him seen what we can do and are not mad enough to try him again hping to see better results
Lord have mercy on our country.
Everyone wait a minute: The confusion was not created by the police, someone gave the instruction to arrest Father Bwalya. The onus is on us as peace loving Zambian to pray ceaselessly until the culprit brins himself. We are wasting our time accusing one another for the mistake made by one chap. Zambia is a christian nation and christians cannot just watch their father behind bars for his opinion. I am positive nothing would have happened if father Bwalya was not arrested and nothing would have happened after his program in question. The issue at hand is affordable food on the table. Viva peace in Zambia.
#437 Fine!
Please look within yourself & realise that the simplicity you see in others is worse in yourself. Thats why you are so afraid of reality only to heap all problems on PF and MC Sata. 70% of town dwellers want change & the change they want is Sata. Hence their total rejection of the MMD. You cant tell us that all these town dwellers are uneducated-or Kaponya’s-as you want to call us who believe in th PF. Its so simple that your simple cannot comprehend this-Gossamer mind that you r. Its difficult to break it down any further than this for you and the other Gossamers on the blog.
Madness is trying the same thing hoping to get different results.
SATA guys honestly. We have told you what the guy has done before . and i know you have forgoten or think we are just being sadist. you guys either have thick heads or have ammnesia. or your value system is misplaced… coz u are just awesome to think SATA should lead Zambia. or maybe you think Zambia is some cheap place. God help us!
yes i just said that.
Undertaker, Sata never smiles or laughs, his teeth are rotten. And he is too evil to be joyful.So keep your dollars bro!
i realy feel for this nation. the rural dwellers realy did us bad. but let us not resort in distroying each others property. just when we thought we would have some change, alas the same has gone on. the presido needs to speak up and tell us what he is going to do about the high taxes, high fuel prices, high mealie meal prices, investors bring in foreign manpower when we have enough in zambia, foreign traders who are taking up space from zambians and paying them penats, shortage of housing in ubarn areas…..the list goes on. God help us!
Iwe Chi No# 439. mwana wa fiti….be happy in your boat
Nyama Soya has woken up from his slumber, he holds a press conference this afternoon at 14.15 to probably announce his cabinet. I hope he will not cancel this at the last minute. i also hope the MMD will break up after this so that Ubwatooo can have it easy next voting season. Viva PT, Long Live President Sata our pragmatic, down to earth leader, King Cobra, Action Man
437. FINE
I THINK YOU HAVE NEVER IN YOUR LIFE GONE WITHOUT FOOD SO IT IS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND HOW HELPLESS PEOPLE CAN REACT ASK THE KENYANS. IT IS AN INSULT TO ASSOCIATE THE PF MEMBERS OF BEEN SIMPLISTIC. THE ISSUES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE ABOUT LIFE AND DEATH. MMD TECHNOCRATS SAID THAT THE GLOBAL RECESSION WILL NOT AFFECT ZAMBIA BUT SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO KCM, MOPANI,BWANA MKUBWA MINES ETC IT IS CRIMINAL TO CHEAT PEOPLE TELL THEM HOW YOU ARE GOING TO OVERCOME THIS, BUT BWEZANI HAS BEEN SLEEPING AS USUAL.YESTERDAYS RIOTS CAN NOT BE CONDONED BUT SINCE NO ONE APART FROM TETA HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE MYOPIC MMD VISION THAT WAS BOUND TO HAPPEN
Can someone comment. Where is Baby C?
STONES AND WOMEN UNDRESSING ARE THE ONLY SOLUTIONS AS I SEE IT NOW. MWA MUKOLO OLO PAKWANJA CHABE
Ba Kitwe mwa tu sebanya!!!!
Change U Can Believe
MEAN MAN,There is completely nothing you can tell us about SATA ,ve got eyes and witnessed the achievements made in all the portifolios he served. If you are prompted to follow a narrow path by virtual of your birth ,am scared we can never get along.
Its unacceptable for you to assume SATA is evil when he performed wondetrs at the time he was in government and has no competition when track his performance.
I know you are suffering from lack of recognition and loss of identity,who can you blame for that?
#455 455 Nosense! Why should women be used in rubish,go ahead and undress yourself.
PF, where is your patriotism? You are now destroying instead of helping to buld. Tell me, what would have happened if you assumed power on Oct 30? Probably by now you would have destroyed nearly everything. Kaponyas, now you have even extended you mannerism to the catholic church. Anyway, I can’t be surprised coz father Bwalya is just there for employment’s sake inward he is still a kaponya and a PF cadre. For PF to be desprined they need to remove that kaponya leader of theres and choose a sober minded person.
Priest you should behave yourself I didnt ordain you to push agenda for political parties. Isn’t the food and clothing i give you not enough? You are now in the forefront of promoting anarchy in the nation. Are you thinking of the consequences what will happen to the children, orphans and vulnerable women , not forgetting the old people of Zambia who cannot even run and for that matter did not go to vote. I am waiting for your country to deal with you after that you are facing the punishment from the vatican. The first thing you do is we shall take of your shoes and shave your head. You need to repent. Otherwise it looks like you want to quit priesthood and join the Kaponyas.
It seems to me that our brothers and sisters in the village are more civilised than most of us in towns.Am saying so because they are not equally happy with government but none of them has undressed to protest.
Fellow Zambians, i am equally licking the wounds coz HH didn’t make it but that doesn’t mean we should resort to violence. ABASH VIOLENCE! Where there is violence it’s mostly the poor people that suffer most.PLEASE ba Kitwe,lets desist.
Ba President naimwe! What is happening? The country needs direction.Are you on a crush programme/course on Country Management? When are you graduating? This is why i vote for HH who knows what is expected of him as a President.
Zambia my beloved country.
I don’t see love in Sata’s heart for his counrty Zambia because if he love his country, he could allow his supporters to start bringing violence in the country. That behavour of bakaponya in Kitwe is not good for people who love their country damaging properties costing million of Kwacha. Iam a catholic and I will not agree to what Fr. Frank Bwalya was doing and I ask the Government to close that Radio Icengelo before lives are lost. The government should also barn PF as a political to be involved in the election because this party is just bringing problems in the country. PF party is just making Zambia to be more poorer by distroying properties and on the other hand has debts.
Help! Amuutwe! Amutelele biyo!Ndiyanda kundigwasja basa!
People of Zambeziland (Zedians), This indeed looks like a very important point of discussion but, what did Fr Bwalya actually say in his programme that ignited this tension? Could some one state three or four actual points that threatened the peace of the country.
Pity that I can neither get Mongu radio station nor radio icengelo. I am relying on you people on the ground in Motherland.
God bless us all.
but zoooooooona ba**kala!!!!!! dont u v better thngs 2 do honestly…. i sukulu ala kanshi ni best zebige)) Amanoooo ba**kalaAAAAAAAAAA!!!
# 456 dont say “ba Kitwe mwatusebanya” its not the whole Kitwe who rioted but Kaponya’s and Street Kids and those dont make the majority of us!
#463 Chiweme if you have been following political events closed Sata at time said urged his supporters not to engage themselves in acts of violence. It appears you have a grudge against him how do you honestly suggest closure of an apposition party. No one is happy about what happened yesterday but Sata is not involved.
Can some please update on the press conference, who is our ‘Joe Biden’ now ?
@ 464 Chansa MUSALIKE
good question, not one person on this forum has actually been able to quote what exactly the father said to lead to his arrest. So it appears as those he has been arrested for expressing an opinion that the MMD do not approve of. What is even more disturbing is that these so called educated Zambians who are denouncing the Priest can not see the ramifications of suprressing freedom of speech and I are quite happy to belive the government propaganda!
press conference whats new no radio in my office
What do you think Goerge Kunda is Vice President
One only needs to look at Sata’s inner circle to see what he’s all about. Willie Nsanda, Geoffrey Bwalya Mwamba (GBM) etc…surely what kind of visionary leadership can these clowns deliver to the poor and impoverished majority in Zed? These are all kaponya’s who even though have made their money, are thugs through and through…
Luapula fish. i cant help you . thats your perception. if we are looking at the samething and seeing different things then thats the way things are mudala.
if the brown envelope distributing SATA, the pangaring instigator, chiluba advising SATA, third term advocate is right for Zambia. Then we’ll wash our hands off you.
There is no crisis in the country as some scorned PF jokers would have us believe! Chilufya Sata is a secondary school failure with a thug mentality. I wonder why anyone whose been to school could ever take him seriously?! I mean, I don’t blame the ignorant folks in chawama, matero & kulima tower but to see sane, sensible chaps on this blog declare their unwavering support for this goon is perplexing?! Anyway, to each his own…
Bane, I think we were born to seek what we can neva find. Either Sata, Hichilema or His Exce RB Banda can change the economy of Zambia. Palast ni draw, coz the difference is the SAME.
@ Sheikh Banda
Why do you insult Sata because of his lack of education,considering that 70 % of Zambians are in fact in the same category? Should we only listen to the opinions of people who have a University degree? Whats makes you think that just cause you have one then you are better than him?
Does it not occur to you that people relate to him in a way that they may not to an intellectual?
as someone with a University degree I can appreciate why the poorest of our people are inspired by someone who has made it through sheer will and determination and street smarts, cause he inspires them into beliving that even they can make it!
@Sheikh Banda
Furthermore, if you look at the bigger picture, Sata may not act refined and diplomatic, but he is charismatic therfore people are drawn to him, they belive that he can bring Chnage ( feel free to make comparisons to obamamania!).
Ecomomically speaking, if you were a person living in Chimwmwee township, whose ecomnomic policies would you agree with? Policies that would see the market liberalised and foreign investors coming in and bringing their own labour force, stealing jobs that poor Zambians can do? Policies that force the govt. to spend less on Health and education? or Pro poor policies that grow Zed businesses and provide employment and opportunites for Zambians?
before you make judgements put yoursleves in the shoes of these people, our brothers and sisters that are suffering because of poverty and a lack of opportnity!
eeek! things are bad!
Kaoneni bana kumanyimba! Mupanga noise!
#476 thats sense
Oh! Miss President, thanks for putting some sense in the heads of the people! If everyone was thinking likewise we would be better developed as a country!
Our vice president is George Kunda who also happens to be Minister of (or for) Justice. Magande(nomics) have been replaced by (another) Mbikusita but not Aka. Sylvia Masebo has also been asked (read axed)
Thumbs Up and Encore Miss President
Thanks 481, 482 and 484
Its unbelivable the attiude that MMD/UNIP supporters have towards the average Zambian, they should be ashamed of themselves, we are all Zambians!
Ba Sata please do not forment problems in this country. Zambian does not belong to town dwellers alone. mind you rural areas also have learned people just your fellers in town. The kaponyas have never even been abroad and will never go. Shame on you king cobra
Ine ndi mu Bemba uwapulamo; but I don’t support this *f*ather *b*walya (small letters). It is clear that the catholic church has taken sectarian and tribalistic views on this. *b*walya is bemba(?) and catholic(yes). Sata is “partly” a bemba wa ku mupika – a generic bemba term indicating an “affiliate” to the clan and he is an unrepentant catholic. What can you expect from catholics but legalistic and liturgical chants. It was the catholics/anglicans who insulted violence in Rwanda. God forbid. Awe tekuti mututefye bane; mwa tena sana. This is madness. No to religious violence and fanaticism. Next it will catholics against protestants. Can we incite it? Can we empty eucharist n’ wine?
who incited violence in Rwanda..not insulted violence violence in Rwanda
Many Zambian beleive in being docile,when people rise for a rightful cause many cowards come out and condenm them.Being Zambian means being unable to rise and die for what is right!! Shame !!All over the world even here in Europe where I live people rise and demonstrate sometimes violently to get their pont across.In Zambia whether you demonstrate peacefuly or violently you still get the tear gas and paramilitary cops on you.So its ok to use violence in this case!! Zambian Police kill more innocent people than are killed by criminals.I am a victim unwarranted police brutality and torture.With a gun I would shoot at the Zambian police!!
Goerge Kunda Vp and legal
ok lets move pf wait for 2011
# 469 I do not support the suppression of free speech but I do believe in the seperation of State and Church. If the Priest wishes to opine on political matters let him do it outside priestly attire as a citizen of the republic and not as a priest who is in a position of influence and who has a duty towards his parish and is a representative of the Vatican. Don’t you find it strange that a Priest, almost certainly unqualified in political matters, should instruct his parish to unruly conduct? There is surely a conflict of interests here
iwe # 255 what change can come from mentality ya bu kaponya so. change for worst no doubt! ati viva change..try collecting ba kaponya banzoka and enroll ku night school.maybe after 5 or so years we will be ready for the change u hope to bring.we didnt want sata as president for many reasons.for one, he’s too barbaric and unrefined for his age, traits he gladly shares with his supporters.takana lowering our heads in shame whenever he stands up to talk at huge summits.
# 469 Skeptic, Cany you outline what ‘State and Church and qualify what seperates them. It will help to discuss what ignited the Riots in Kitwe.
As for ‘conflict of interest’ it would be interesting to take the statistics of Rioters. Were they all Catholics or people of varoius religious affiliations who felt unheard through the peaceful ballot box!?
There is no need for the govt to use teargas, blows, threats etc. It should ask itself Why, why, why, are people agrieved.
cont:
Destruction of property is not the answer either… We people of Zambeziland have so little to lose more.
My plea is to FODEP, OASIS FORUM, NGOs, JP etc, invest in early Civic Education. Make it top-priority. Church and State owe it to the people. After all it one and the same person who belongs to the Church and the State.
Zambeziland, you are my pride. May God bless the peolpe of Motherland
#42 please that not gud. And repent now for GOD’S Sake.
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