A WITNESS yesterday told a Lusaka magistrate’s court how Vice-President, George Kunda got annoyed when he was presented with photographs of a woman giving birth.
Kenneth Ngosa, 40, of plot number 7756 Woodlands extension, senior private secretary of the vice-president, testified that Mr Kunda said he was angry to see such pictures because at his age he had not seen a woman giving birth.
This is in a case in which The Post newspaper news editor, Chansa Kabwela pleaded not guilty to one count of circulating obscene materials contrary to Section 177 1(b) Cap 87 of the Penal Code.
It was alleged that between June 1 and 10 this year, Kabwela circulated two obscene photographs tending to corrupt morals of the public contrary to Section 177 of the Penal Code.
Mr Ngosa said this in examinations in chief led by director of prosecutions, Frank Mumbuna when the matter came up for commencement of trial before chief resident magistrate, Charles Kafunda.
Mr Ngosa said on June 11, 2009 around 11:30 hours he was on duty and received Kabwela’s letter of complaint addressed to Mr Kunda.
He said in the letter, Kabwela wanted Mr Kunda to intervene in the strike by health workers in government hospitals and other health centres.
Mr Ngosa said Kabwela said the Post was in possession of some pictures it had difficulties in publishing and that she was sending them to Mr Kunda so that he and his colleagues in Government could be moved in finding a solution to the strike situation.
He said Kabwela enclosed three pictures in the letter, one showing a naked woman lying down with legs open, and a baby coming out of her birth canal.
Mr Ngosa said the other picture was showing a pregnant woman being helped out of a motor vehicle by some people, while another showed a naked woman delivering a child, but that the picture was not very clear.
“Since the letter was addressed to the Vice President, I was supposed to take it with the pictures to him but I was hesitant due to what the pictures contained. I wanted to take them to him but I was at pains to present them to him,” he said.
He said he was moved by the pictures and decided to not show Mr Kunda and opted to just brief him on the photographs he had received from The Post newspaper.
Mr Ngosa said he told Mr Kunda the photographs were not right for him to see but the vice-president insisted that he be shown the letter and the pictures.
He said after he was shown the pictures, Mr Kunda called him back into the office and told him that he was annoyed to see pictures of that nature.
“After his honour saw the letter and the photographs, he called me back into the office and told me that he was very annoyed to see such kind of a picture,” Mr Ngosa said.
He said on June 12 this year, he received a complaint letter from the Non Governmental Organisation Coordinating Council (NGOCC) addressed to Kabwela and copied to Mr Kunda.
Mr Ngosa also said that on June 16 this year he received an apology letter from The Post newspaper apologising to the NGOCC for circulating the pictures.
In cross-examinations led by Remmy Mainza, Mr Ngosa said there were other ways of solving problems than circulating pictures.
He said he was moved by the sight of the pictures saying that it was his wish that a solution was found to bring to an end the strike in hospitals.
Mr Ngosa said to his knowledge , Mr Kunda had not responded to the letters on the circulation of the alleged obscene pictures.
Another witness Chiwale Solochi of house number B 30 State Lodge police camp, said he did not have the chance to see the contents of the letter because his duty was just to receive and take any mail to the secretary.
The matter continues today.
[Times of Zambia/Zambia Daily Mail]
The pictures did not show the Zambian culture and tradition. however, the world is changing, if leaders do not listen to strike actions, reporters will be forced to such situations. However, reporters should equip themselves with the laws of Zambia.
Anyway do draw all the nation to all smaller and petty issues like this. in developed countries women give birth on Television.
So court will make a decision and i cannot judge. Lets wait and see
#1 i meant do NOT draw attention to one report. Look at the nation’s critical problems.
Just let the woman go.There is nothing wrong she has done lol.Weather GK got annoyed or watever.MULEKENI
You are right #1. Men in developed countries know what women go through when giving birth, because they are always there on the wife’s side.
Ta but Times and Daily Mail have edited this story awe what about the cross examination where the state witness was asked if the VP was aroused by the alleged obscene pictures? according to the post lawyer obscene picture of a woman shoule arouse a man. The Post wanted the govt to do something about the health workers that had downed tools instead RB left the country fro SA to attend world economic forum. wapya mudzi.
Just typical of Zambian men.They enjoy making babies but are not there to see the pain involved in the birthing process.They just drop of the wife at the door of maternity ward or rather get some relative to take her, then the poor woman has to agonise for 6-18 hrs with no support from anyone. Men support your wives Ala!
oh yes #1, you are right. Every land has its own laws, but kunda shouldnt exerggerate the extent of the picture. In these days, if i can see a foetus thrown in the rubble, why should it be an issue to see a picture of a woman giving birth? We very much respect women, but should waste our political fora and time to this small issue.
it is GRZ ‘s problem that this woman gave birth out side…why blame the post??
if Kabela sent the photos to the VP and other NGOs, then they are also capable of sending the photos to other persons on the internet….
These zed pupets deserve to be done wat the pipo of Honduras did to there president….starting wif RBB
This case is simple then.The issue is not that the pictures were pornographic but rather uncultural. I don’t think the govt has a case its a sheer waste of time and resources.The woman died due to lack of medical attention.No one is saying anything about that. No one has appologised to her family. Instead all focus is on the beautiful Chansa Kabwela.
So in other ways George is telling us that he just know how to make them?
Iwe ka Red-lipped lizard just concentrate on your medication. Cute Chansa’s persecution wont take you anywhere GRZ.
I lived for a long time in the UK and I never once saw a picture of a woman giving birth in any of the newspapers including the News of the World ( where 3 journalists have been jailed for tapping phones of prominent individuals). Even in the UK the act of giving birth is not a matter of public exposure. For Zambia there are cultural taboos involved and we Zambians should learn to respect our values and culture. As for Chansa, there is no doubt she committed an offence because even though she did not publish the pictures, she in fact circulated them and that is against the law. The real question is whether the end justifies the means and whether in fact the Post newspaper really wanted the strike to end. Those will be the questions for the judge. Let the Post use political pressure.
#6 Nurse, there where you are in South Africa government hospitals do not allow men in maternity wards to see the birthing of babies. If you are truly a nurse you should know that. So what support are you talking about. Stop generalising your attack on men.
Ever watched birth stories on E! Grow up fellas!
Good morning
It appears to me that this whole issue is mainly a cultural conflict and therefore, I personally feel it should be resolved outside the courts of law. I understand that elderly Zambian people like Mr. Kunda, who adhere to the African traditional values detest the publication of such pictures on moral grounds but I think using republican laws to fight journalism rights is the wrong way to go.
why are they wasting our money??
Kapoko is out and they are shifting goals now because they benefited from kapoko…
Yes #10 Nico, Mr Kunda should not run away from the issue, the government’s insensitivity on the people’s suffering. Mr Kunda where in the world have you seen or heard of a government that gives top priority to transport and care for a pregnant cow spending multi millions of kwacha? How much have you spent on ordinary pregnant Zambian women? Of course your women with your fellow MMD leadership are sent abroad at taxpayer’s expense. Just shut your mouth.
#13 Ba nkole wampali………..
To whom did she circulate them to? Was it to ba kaponyas or sent to specific and supposedly responsible leaders?
# 13. In what way does a picture of a woman in labour corrupt ones morals? Simply put if you see a picture of a woman in labour would you get a hardon? Is it not correct that it would on the contrary drive you to feel for the woman? What would you charge all the people who witnessed that poor woman giving birth outside UTH with?
These people dont understand a thing those pictures are a product of the strike and not stage managed by kabwela for theM to be phonographic. KANSHI UWO BWAIMINE AFTER THOSE PICTURES NINANI?
What the journalist did, first of all, has to be respected, b/se she did not publish it in the newspaper, although she had the chance to that. Men on top, listen and understand certain facts, and and leave philosophies and funny opinions aside. Let’s face it: THE WOMAN WAS GIVING BIRTH IN THE OPEN, AND ANYBODY COULD SEE THAT. So why don’t you leaders, instead, act to prevent THIS ACTION TO EVER HAPPEN AGAIN “ON STREETS”, instead of trying to get the jounalist punished for having shown you what’s actually happening on streets, where you will only be driven quickly, and you will never notice what’s going on, or even your “guards” will, in advance, clear such a picture, so that you will only see “PARADISE”, where people are actually seriously anguishing. Let’s be realistic…
#13, You must have lived in the UK in the 40’s. Male doctors in the UK today assist in child birth. What happens is that first they will ask the woman’s consent regarding being assisted by a male staff, ok. It’s up to the patient. Regarding culture or taboo etc….Is it Zambian culture for an adult woman to dance and show off her innermost in front of men, like that woman who danced for the president? Can you enlighten me #13.
What lying is this? Whoever passed through secondary school has seen a picture (or at least a drawing) of a woman giving birth in Biology text books (or nowadays on video). If a vice president as a legal man is also a lier, where is Zambia heading to in terms of leadership morals and integrity?
I think Zambian men must be encouraged to be in a maternity ward to go and nurse their spouses throughout labour period. In this way they will have at least an idea of what a woman goes through during labour. Heading to a beer haal during your spouse’s labour time wouldn’t help much in times when real decision-making concerning issues such as the one in hand will just aggrevate poor decisions from men in Zambia.
# 10.Is it true the woman died? Give us the facts and source.
#14 Chama ofcourse due to understaffing in govt hospitals, and the fact that a labour ward may have 2 – 4 beds they won’t allow men in but in private institutions men are right there.You even get a sleeper couch in the labour room for the husband to rest on. Just take responsibility and support the wives not only when making the babies but also when bringing them into the world.
#13 Those pictures were not circulated at soweto market but rather sent to the people whose job is make sure such things do not happen. If a woman in the UK gave birth in that manner cus health workers were striking,the prime minister’s knee been repaired in france yes that scene would have been published and people would have stepped down. But you tell that to the dinosurs we have in government, a lot of zambians do not understand that the same way a garden boy works for you is how the government works for you and should be answerable to the people that put it in power. Until that basic understanding is met we can all talk until we are blue in the face but things will not change. The majority of zambians live in poverty and the government has no plans for them but come election time…
So, Mr vice president your first reaction to a situation needing real thinking and consideration is anger? In your own legal fraternity if one happens to kill another person and tells the court he did it because he was angry, he will most likely be convicted with murder. From this simple example we can deduce that your decision to such an important matter was largely influenced by your rage rather than reasoning. Hence, the very poor decision as a matter of subsequent. If the legal system in our country is worth it’s salt you will be pinned with a case to answer for making a poor decision while you were raging.
There is nothing wrong with those pictures !!!
they are bribed with food etc and no doubt MMD get the X. Thats why there is never any funding for education cus keep the poor ignorant and they dont ask questions. Thats women disgrace themselves at airports dancing for their servant like he is a god. TIA (this is africa).Look at the picture in this story, are these the leaders sure? The man looks very sick.The entire veep ati I have never seen such pictures, you have seen plenty pictures of naked women maybe not in labour but dont pretend. This governmeent should just drop dead, they are such irritatin farts! They shud be charged with circulating their obscene selves if they think any one is chuffed wit them. Leave that gal alone!
was george kunda annoyed at the health workers going on strike and causing such situations or he was annoyed at the people that took pictures .well tell him mr ngosa that come election time ,he will be very very annoyed .kundas reaction to a picture is of no interest .it is the subject at hand .i have just learned from a blogger that the woman died .what does that say about kabwela ,she understood what was to happen ,she was concerned .whether it is done in uk ,america or wherever it does not matter.the f88king govt is getting treated in SA and our people are dying in the street and you say kunda is annoyed .f88k
I think George Kunda was annoyed upon seeing those pictures bcoz he felt pity for the woman and just realised the anguish women go thru when giving birth. I am sure next itme he will be very careful not to let midwives go on strike so that expectant women are not neglected. He was so touched to see the agony women go thru when giving birth. The best way for him now is to tell his boss (RB) to drop the case against Chansa Kabwela Ngilazi and advise his Govt to care for women by buying ambulances to ferry them to maternity wards in good time before delivery, instead of buying mandamandas (hearses) to take their dead foetus to grave yards.
I think these men (RB and veep)just caught a pain with Chansa kali they like sweet 16 and she must have called them pineapple face and red lips malinso haha Leave the hot mama jama alone!
what mr kunda should be asking himself is how many such cases happened during the strike.and on a moral point doesnt he on behalf of his goverment need to apologise to the people of zambia as they were the source of the conflict.problem with mr kunda and his coleagues in goverment is that they think like they our masters.and for them to lead us is more like a favour they are doing us.tukamona
#20 wansekesha sana. Its true those pictures were heart breaking rather than them being phonographic. Which normal man would have a desire for a woman after seeing those pictures.
Why did GK get annoyed, does he get annoyed when he receives unsolicited e-mail circulation contained real pornography? Comeon guys, did he get annoyed at the way the woman was treated i mean what annoyed him, and GK getting annoyed does not constitute a basis for charging Chansa Kabwela, what are they going to do next, ban us from watching National Geographic where they talk about reproduction, what next banning literary material used by medical students because of the explicit nature of the materials, I cannot believe that we can be wasting time on this case when there are bigger health issues to be resolved.
Is anyone paying conpensation to the woman who was giving birth, the one who shud be doing any suing? if not, why??Kunda got annoyed? Us zambians are more annoyed with his disabled gov and tired of been taken for fools, they wont know wat hit them.
#11 Mama G. Sad isn’t. The whole lot of a former judge just enjoys sex with his wife without bothering about the pain she goes through during her pregnance through to child birth. How can a judge of his life’s inexperience make informed and fair judgement in the courts of law? It’s about time men of african origin started being a bit more responsible beyond sex excitement or is it enjoyment. This is how laws come into place-make it a law that men must be there during birth if there’s no hinderance to them being present.
if only georgie and bwezzie didnt see themselves as the victims in this case. the kind of anger the veep shud have displayed shud have been anger towards himself and the whole govt system for letting things spiral out of control to the extent of that woman giving birth in public. i’m just so tired of these a-holes. Outrage # 26, u got it totally rite. those pics were sent to the dunderheads who were supposed to do sumthin and as for circulation, this was through the internet and in private email boxes, not public ones.
This case will not go any where. It was to draw the attention of Kunda the likes running public affairs on or behalf. Lat week we had a picture of MMD party cadre in a bad posture at Mansa Airport. Such was uncalled for. May this case close kwickly and judgement made. How Can his Honour GK pretend. He just over reacted and failed to act as No. 2. GRZ is just making Chanda Kabwela famous on straight forward issues. These MMD & oppostion leaders should not only specialize in insults and counter insults.
I have always been there during all my kids births. So, through this witnessing I can make a more informed and better decision than George Kunda who just enjoys sex with his woman/women and after that the rest is up to a woman. You mean throughout his law programme at university there was no picture or video shown to him in order to prepare him for such eventualities as person who will be making decisions affecting humans and human life?
cultural my foot…
Dudelove ati ‘georgieand bwezie’ !!
WITNESS :”Pictures did not arouse Kunda” maybe he had intended for him to be aroused.
Anyway though it is not our culture it is very common in other countries. When I came to Danmark my wife insisted I be present when our doughter was born. At first I thought it was a joke, but later it got to me that it was the way things happened. I was present and I have never regreted, but to the contrary I feel more close to my kid and since then my respect for women has changed. Just to see how hard it is I WILL ALWAYS RESPECT WOMEN
I was in court yesterday and I’ve never seen or heard such nonsense as that stupidity displayed by one Kenneth Ngosa, to start with the man said he only attended a seminar as formal training for the senior position he holds in the VP’s office and he couldnt explain the meaning of obscene,and he claimed the pictures aroused him, what a shame. state lawyers had nothing to talk about, it was such an embarrassing scene
“did circulate two obscene photographs tending to corrupt public morals.” this is the charge we shall be wasting time for, how will they establish the intention when the letter clearly states that the sender wanted an influential person to influence the situation to save this woman, why wasn’t this woman even sent to south africa for specialist treatment? Awe kwena elo twamoneka fye kwati we are so backward!!!
#13 Nkole… Chansa Kabwela (or the Post) never published those pictures. Unless I am the only Jew who never saw it in the media. In fact according to your contribution, you are so ignorant and uninformed individual-Chansa K is more informed, responsible and has a heart for humans especially mothers. so according to you sending those pictures to men and women in authority, who are able to make decisions is an offence and publicity? My friend if you haven’t got any grey matter in your head let those with it make comments while you learn from them.
VP in the picture is coughing out H1n1 flue discharge, it is not that he is in shock at seeing child birth in progress, no. Cough VP, cough, cough VP, cough.
Just let her go naiwe.. you have criminals out there walking freely
#44 culture is dynamic, I am in zambia I have witness all my 3 children being born, my morals are not corrupt and I am never aroused during conception, what kind of warped individual would be aroused in such a situation, in any case i really sympathise with the women folk after this experience that I would urge all the men to assist in this process anyway they can, rub her back, do whatever you can to ameliorate the situation not to get annoyed like GK.
Or is it during child birth, during conception I have to be aroused because that is what sets the tone and rythym
Just coming to UK as a student and going back to your country after graduation doesn’t really make you know much about this place. You know very little or nothing. Thats why you chaps go back home and start cheating people on your scant knowledge of the society. UK and any other developed countries are very complex and sophiscated societies to be studied at glympse (or is it glimpse). You need to work (any job) here to be part of the system or systems in order to know these societies.
There is no such a thing as pornography. It is all in the mind. It depends on the mindful intention of the person who takes the picture and the mindful intention of the one who looks. That is what the court will have to establish here. In Psychology, under the subject of s exual variations, anything can be a s exual object, from shoes to materials, from nude adult pictures to explict acts. It is all in the mind. Women and men expose themselves to medical staff all the time. In Papua New Guinea men wear nothing but a cylindrical contraption to cover the male while women wear skirts but leave mammary structures exposed. Decency or indecency has to be interpreted in the context.
Am looking for what? Where are you.?
Compensate the women photographed… Their photos are being used to fight for better servives while ignoring privance. Only husband and selected relative can have permission to see the naked body and photos NOT Kunda and others. The women in question can not walk heads up in streets. Just imagine if I photograph u urinating in a street and send the photo to city council to ask them to build more toilets, You will go after me and accuse me of not respecting u.. In reply, I say that I am helping u fight for more toilets in the city so that people can not urinate anyhow.
#13 let us be very careful what we try to discuss. Let us not use metephors carelessly here, what we are saying is that if it is indeed childbirth is a taboo, then this irresponsible Government should not have let it come out in the open in the first place. And like you are me who have limited vision, in case GK and his friends were no properly informed as the case surely is right here and right now, then someone had to tell the truth and that somebody had to be Chansa, let is look at this way, Chansa is Zambian before anything else
On this matter, I side with the Post. They did nothing wrong. It is not in public interest to bring this cae and the Director of Public Prosecution should be ashamed that he could be influenced by a politician and not law. Shame on this lawyer.Taxpayers’ money wasted! RB had a right to coplain as an individual but that did not mean that the law had been broken.
Ba George kunda, dont play naive, child birth is a normal process, how do you thing you were born, its high time zambian men witnessed the birth of their children, it encourages bonding, support of wife in labour to bring forth their fruit they had created together, and improves parenting skills. Mwilabepa ubufi, you have done and witnessed worse things! Child birtgh is a gift from God, do not see it as some magical mystery
#17 Kalumbi… Yes!!! By the way this are the questions citizens are supposed to be asking the gvt-“Why they are wasting money”. The people of Zambia should be taking the gvt to task over such wastage of funds. Firstly, ask yourselves. “Who are directly benefitting out of whole this?” The same people who have taken Chansa to court will have so much in allowances that accrue. The general public are losers. How long is this case gonna take and why? It may take to long in order to shift attention from real economic issues and make sure that chaps in the corridors of power have a cut.
It is clear to see how the Zambian government has gone out of its way to intimidate and undermine freedom of press.This case is NOT about PORN..
It all started with the firing of Fr, Bwalya as manager of Radio Ichengelo, the recent arrest of Chansa Kabwela , the firing of journalists Amos Chanda and Tamala Kambikambi from APRM, (whatever it is stands and meant for).The harassment of Post Journalists by MMD cadres and the use of live bullets by Police on protesting Copperbelt University students.
These actions are associated with dictatorship, ignorance, arrogance and intimidation of citizens and can only receive the blessing of a less civilized government.
Shamemuneni bane- Shame
The VP’s secretary scanned the letter and pictures and sent them to the VP via bluetooth. The VP then sent them to the Prez via either bluetooth or e-mail. The prez upon receiving them decided to forward the file and e-mail to VJ for consultation via bluetooth and e-mail but by a slight mistake the prez selected the ‘Send to All’ on his custom made limited edition chinese mobilephone. Meanwhile, the Post profited from the pictures by selling to other international media houses. Both are guity of circulating obscene material. Let Kabwela do time together with Fred Mmembe. The issue of watching a woman giving birth is a matter of personal choice and if the government says its illegal then so be it (what kabwela did). No one should be above the law otherwise the country will become…
Interesting comments from LT bloggers without getting better views from other sources. LT is just another Govt dept which doesn’t write the true stories as they happen. Plse spare us nonsense those pics are not porno, thats life and death fellas? Anyway, how can Kunda get aroused by seeing the nakedness of a dying woman…shame on u!!
…and why Zambia should have ready finances for pregnant cows than pregnant women.
That is a bad picture showing his Hon the Veep coughing badly. I hope he wont be evacuated to RSA for a thoroughly check like his Boss. RB should not overburden GK. Something must be done after Chitambo By Elections. Relief him off VEEP JOB.
You see these guys who are having a hardon from a woman in labour, starting from RB are really sick in their heads. I am seriously wondering why RB with his hardon compatriots haven’t been summoned by Chainama Hills Mental Hospital. They are a danger to the Zambian community and they shouldn’t be let loose.
#21. Uleipushe mbwa nge ifwele. The president first saw them as pornographic and erected. His hench men followed suit and started erecting,too. They are sick in their heads, these chaps.
They were aroused with that picture? Echo mule lwalila amakufi, ukutemwa fimofimo
When I was young were told babies are bought from ZCBC, that store has long been closed and there are more babies now than ever, That is where the problem starts from why do we hide the begin of life and when someone dies, the body is there for viewing-Why don’t we hide the dying part which is even more disturbing .Maybe its time we started to tell the truth about child birth.If your child asks you where babies come from give a collect answer.Don´’t point to heaven point to your bedroom.
If traditions and culture are so important in Zambia prevent such things from happening in public .Mind you we re living in a digital age everything will be recorded.This is not Stone age-Ba Kunda.
# 14 Nkole, you and i share the same view in that birthing is not a matter of public exposure and which is why the birthing wards remain restricted/ prohibited areas to the general public. Let me humbly ask if Ms Kabwela would be very kind to show us her birth canal if it is such simple and easy thing to do. And if she fails to show us, why then exposse her fellow woman’s private parts to the public? I believe (there are/ were) still better ways of handling crisis of any kind. Even in homes, crisis may be there but still the couple have moral obligations to keep their private issues secret for the sake of the nation and cultural norms of the society. Thus, Zambia is Zambia and NOT UK, USA all that u can mention. The lady is very much at fault.
The issue is not the pictures, but its about the hatred the POST has with GoVT, the latter wants to prove they have the power and the POST wants to show i dont know lets just work together (POST GOVT ) 4 the good of our lovely Zambia
Hypocrites ! .They have never seen a naked woman’s body – But their imagination of such drives them to run after what they are supposed not to have seen before . How did they aquire the Dreaded Immunological defficiency Status?
its my first time to write to this but i enjoy reading those comments
#65 imagine ayi, am sure Kikwete is laughing his head off!
GEORGE KUNDA………..HE NEVER STOPS TO AMAZE ME, HE HAS NEVER SEEN A WOMAN GIVING BIRTH BUT KNOWS HOW TO MAKE BABIES????????????????
Most bloggers are post blinded and cant see sense in the zambian law. It is an offense to circulate obscene pictures. There is nothing political. Jail edited so iit can send the right messgae to Fred and his cohorts.
#22 Ba Peter Mpundu, Yes the woman was giving birth in the open. Many terrible things can happen in the open, it does not mean that it is suitable for publication or circulation. But the point any way is that the incident happened during a strike but I think the Post in its zeal wanted to put the blame on Rupiah Banda. Strkes are not easy to prevent. You may recall Justin Nyirongo (the singer) died because there was a strike at UTH. The nurses strike that has just ended is not the first one and it will not be the last one regardless of who is in power. It is simply a manifestation of the fundamental economic problem of “scarcity”. The error is to say it is because of Rupiah Banda. When Sata was Minister of Health, there was a nurses strike and I don’t remember him doing anything…
I am student in the UK and aslo work as an healthcare assitant at a hospital. And trust me I have seen lots of men, white ,black, indian etc being present at their childrens births , and I have never seen any of them aroused. Zambian men, please stop hiding behind culture just to subdue women.
I have always admired the Post but to be fair I think they have been going over board of late. And people please don’t justify that because in developed countries they show women giving birth on TV so there is nothing wrong with it. Every society has it’s own values and norms which they adhere to. Trying to be pick up western values and norms doesn’t make you more human instead just makes you a lost. Thats more like MJ changing the colour of his skin. I think the Post should also address the issue of paying their workers on time instead of always picking on the govt. I hear workers get paid very very late. Now you tell us RB invited himself to S.A we go round telling people only to hear later on that he had a meeting with Zuma. Ba Post poseniko amano.
So what if George has never seen a woman giving birth? There is always a first time George. Come to think of it, George is not telling the truth, because I remember in our Seconary School days(George included), there was a fielm about giving birth being shown in all schools. Infact the film started from courting, copulation, conception, care and birth. Unless he was on mass he must have watched this film which was sponsored by the Donors/GRZ.
I do not know what RB wants if you watch Zone Reality on DSTV there is a programme called “Birth Stories” and they show a woman giving birth you can even see the baby coming out from the Vagina but no body arrets those camera peopla and I bet you most of them are men who shoot on those programmes. In other words I do not see the fuss about this.
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LT, why did you put a picture of Minister of Justice, Mr Vice President George Kunda in apparent coughing mode? Please, there is too much information about President RB Banda being knee sick/ill and so showing pictures which indicate that our number man is probably also sick/ill is not good for the Nation including outsiders as it may paint a picture that out current MMD GRZ leadership is working as sick people leading a combination of sick and fit Zambians.
For this reason, please ude nother picture and not this one.
By the way, what was annoying Mr VP about the pictures of a woman delivering in public due to GRZ negligence?
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1 John 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
this people called leaders.,they dont admit when they go wrong,they will always find reasons
to convice the nation,yet the scandal happened due to strike.then the innoncent gets the
blaime.just free the young woman!!
the vice president is right and when we talk about naked women being shown in the Post is that right sure.Lets imagine one of the ladies shown in the paper was your mother what would you think or even yourselves.why didnt those ladies protesting come naked to show the so called support or why didnt Micheal Zulu allow Sista D to come naked and support the so Kabwela.We dont discourage them speaking out but the manner is what we discourage.I think our investigate where she stays and photograph her naked and post it on the internet cos the person she was showing is our mother.
What some blogers need to understand ie #13 #71 #77 is the pictures were not takn cus Chansa thought it was a high school variety show and pass on the entertainment. All those who critic her actions why not stop blogging, get off your backside and propose ur ways of dealing with issues to this zed governmnt. Its called shock tactics, even in developed countries they have resorted to publishing pictures of lungs affected by cancer to shock smokers to quit as health advisers feel their msgs are not getting thru. pipo like you are sooooooo iritatin! Always see things from a pinhole point of view and always loud to argue even tho ur argument is foolish. If childbirth is such a taboo why not divert 40% of budget on healthcare so women cn give birth in safe and clean surroundings.
CONTD….WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO DEAL WITH THE HEALTH CARE ISSUE IN ZAMBIA????Its pipo like you why zed will not develop..what is wrong about child birth. You are the most moral corrupt yet in public you want to sit on your high horse with ur nose up in the air preaching about morals and taboo fwo. morals my foot!!
George Kunda, so this guy was aroused by the pics, at it made him horny so he got angry because other were wondering why things were looking hard below his lower waist line.
I have always wondered why Kabwela’s husband does not accompany her to court. Anyone who knows why?
I have been waiting to see when will see one of our leaders stand up and put to a stop what is happening in the Post.For long it has been bothering me about how careless the Post have become.Look at what freedom of speech has done to South Africa and the so called Europe.These papers are not just ready by adults but even children and there is no age limit to who should have acces to these papers now if you kid starts seeing what is only supposed to be seen in the bedroom or at the hospital is it fair on the sold ladies sure.Ati gender when they cannt even respect there own bodies sure.How can they defend a country when they fail to defend what is so precious about them.You ladies dont even have value for your so called selves.You are not even ashamed of your so called selves.ati rights
daisy xsay, can u beleive this Veep dude?
Bushe #88 do you have a mother or do you have values? where you come from do they have repect for women sure.Tel me your address so that i can talk to real people who can photograph your mother the way your friends mother was photographed.You see we are talking about respect and having values for crying out loud.Look at what is happening
BA KUNDA MULI BAPUBA SANA, YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN A WOMAN GIVING BIRTH. WHICH MEAN YOU DID NOT SUPPORT YOUR WIFE WHEN SHE WAS GIVING BIRTH. HERE IN SOUTH AFRICA THEY ALLOW HUSBAND TO BE THERE WHEN WIVES ARE GIVING BIRTH. SO IWE GEORGE KUNDA WAISHIBA FYE UKUPOSA UMUTWE YOU DON’T WANT TO SEE WHEN YOUR WIFE IS GIVING BIRTH.
I THINK KUNDA YOU ARE ONCE OF THOSE PEOPLE ABAFULILA MWI BLANKET SO THAT YOUR WIFE CAN’T SEE YOU. UMKASHI OBE TABUMONAPO ABUFWILA FYE MUKATI. WACHIBUBAWE.
#92 which rock do u live under? have with ur own two eyes seen bedroom activites or a womans v v published in the post? dnt talk ignorant gibberish,village monger!every1 is entitled to their opinon so if u dnt like the post has to say go suck sour lemons!
#78 who is to blame for the strike? Obama? wat was rb doin instead of negoiatin with strikers? zambians need to learn to accept nothing but the best. Yes strikes happen every where but only a chilishilu will try and justify how that strike was handled and th price those with no acess to SA clinics had to pay. our leaders dont not care about anyone and those who defend them are the only beneificals in all this circus u call a govnment
PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE ON # 71. I’M STILL WAITING FOR RESPONSE FROM Ms CHANSA KABWELA.
When my son was born here in Windhoek, Namibia, I was there. Are guys in Zambia saying, you don’t see your wives giving birth. The women need your support.
IWE#94 the REAL FWO i think the only person with no values here is you! Shameless. How would U have proposed to deal with this then. There is no need to highlight or bring in anyone’s mother nakedness here dude cus if you wnt to go thr we CAN GO THERE!! YOU ARE TALKING TO THE WRONG PERSON. You are so irritatin cus u miss the whole point and all you see is a naked woman who had a baby coming out of her by the way outside a hospital with no help as the health workers were striking and ur relative RB was globe trotting as always.
SHIDADA, ITS NOT ALL ZAMBIA IT’S GEORGE KUNDA WHO HAS NEVER SEEN HIS WIFE GIVING BIRTH UMFWA FYE BWINO UKUPOSA UMUTWE.
# 98 LEARN TO FOLLOW THE GIST OF THE STORY. NOW TELL ME, WAS YOUR WIFE’S BIRHT GIVING TO YOUR SON PUBLISHED OR EXPOSED TO YOUR UNCLE, BROTHER ETC?
First the so called Kabwela does she have children sure
BA GEORGE KUNDA PAKANWE NGA ULILE IFWALULA
Is this man healthy?? He must go for a TB checkup mwe. I can see the germs from his cough on my computer screen. YUK! Childbirth, okotwali. Its a very special moment: The birth of a life.
This embarrassing story is on CNN website!
The offence is: “…circulate two obscene photographs tending to corrupt public morals…”.
I have said it before and Imma say it again: The onus is on the state to prove how the ‘public morals’ were ‘corrupted’ by the pictures. And who is the ‘public’ in this case?
This is a waste of time and public resources. From the look of things, it appears the state is just focused on trying to ‘fix’ the The Post, like kinda vindictive. How else would they start their prosecution with The Post news reports, failing short of calling for contempt.
please let the young lady alone,she did nothing wrong by alerting those concerned about the out come the strike,if she be found guilty then george and all those who received the letters should be charged because they also circulated after receiving just like chansa did after receing them from the husband
ATI OUTRAGE mulekwata amano please.What do you call a mother in your own perspective sure.Is it not a woman.why cann’t you imagine if it was you in the picture would you have stood up and suppoted Kabwela.Can you allow your private life to be made public sure.Do you stay with people who are responsible or you are a street kid who does not know what African culture is all about and what repect for women is.I suspect you are a disgraced woman.Do you have substance sure.Mulekula sure.muli ba mu Zambia.Ubupuba bwafuli muli ba Outrage and of all names sure Outrage.But zona mu zambia muli ba Ndanda heads
When my two boys were born, I was there in the labour ward giving my wife all the support. I helped pull them out of the birth canal. With my girl, my wife was in labour for 12 hours and it was I who decided to go for caesarian operation because had I not been there, my own flesh would have suffocated and died. It’s therefore most shameful that the whole entire deputy president was never there when any of his kid were being born. This so called culture of Africa is nothing but wicked musculine bigotry, it stinks. It’s Kunda who ought to be incarcerated, not that galant sister from the Post.
Ati outrage ubupuba bwekabweka-But zona you are senseless and useless.Are you human sure.Mulekulako
I haven’t seen the pictures behind this case, but to those who have, was the face of the woman giving birth hidden? In my humble view, if the suffering woman’s identity was not concealed in the pictures then this is the only wrong I think Mrs Ngilazi did.
Meanwhile our veep looks like he needs serious medical attention.
Hee, Guys what is taboo? Think of this you and wife when making a child are in Adam and Eave attire and it is not a taboo as God planed it. Why should it be a taboo to help my darling bring our child into the world? I KAMBINGOLO WHEN I MARRY WILL BE ALWAYS THERE TO HELP MY DARLING BRING OUR ANGEL INTO THE WORLD.
Ati marvellous was your wife and family there when that was happening and if it was your wife in the post would you say the same way.There is nothing wrong with you being in the labour ward after all it is you who did the work but what we are talking about is your wife in the newspapers giving birth. where your other children are seeing your wife giving birth and even you inlaws.is it normal for you sure.
On BBC and CNN: news dot bbc dot co dot uk/2/hi/africa/8185221.stm
edition dot cnn dot com/2009/WORLD/africa/08/05/zambia.porn.trial/index.html
Things fall asunder when mothers start giving birth in public. Any so called leader worth his salt should be ashamed that mothers are robbed of their dignity in giving birth to new life in privacy only because the government that is supposed to provide it does not care, its gone AWOL from its duty. Any government that would fly a dry old cow like Banda to South Africa to mend a knee that is damaged through fair wear and tear resultant from old age leaving mothers to give birth in public is “salamusied”.
wat most of you’all are failing to understand, especially the self righteous ones who are demanding we put our wives in the place of that woman and so forth, is that whether this Kabwela chick was there or not, or wether there was a camera or not, the woman gave birth in PUBLIC were there lots of pipo seein it first hand. obviously a lot of them had camera phones and stuff so it dont matter how one wud feel if they were the spouse. the damage was already done! u think she’d give a sh!t about wats happeing in cyberspace wen friends and neighbours and complete strangers stood around gawking at her first hand? call boys, u name em, they were there. if u took your wife under the exact same circumstances to uth, u think that wudnt happen to her? wen a baby’s due, a baby’s due, beleive that.
Ba #95 kwena mulibamiponto ati umukashi abufwilafye mukati !!! yaba kuti waseka
Sorry I meant #96 Mike Mulongoti
#113 The Real People – Apparently it was the husband to the deceased that took the pictures and gave them to the post so that the world could see injustice to his wife.
The real people sure learn to reason, who created the environment under which our mothers have to give birth in the open? It seems like there is nothing that can move these charlatans called the GOVERNMENT and if this would, so be it. By the way, both Banda and Kunda look very sick to me, especially the red-lipped snake, I think he has something ?????? Ladies and gentlemen, are these not state funerals awaiting us here?
THE REAL PEOPLE actually am married to respectable man with two beautiful, well respected and functional family background well educated with good job. As for you my friend i suspect u come from a disfunctional background thus ur judgmnt is just as disfunctional. you are probably looking at dodgy websites while u bloggin on LT talkin about values, its cus you are so used to seeing such websites tht u paint every woman with the same brush. And for the record if it was me in the picture i would support Chansa and I would sue the government for failing to provide what my human rights say i shud have and that is good health care. There would have been no reason for her to resort to such tactics if tht was in place and her actions are those of a frustrated woman on behalf of women contd
Maybe this Kabwera girls has pioneered something good in this country. LOOK, IS IT NOT SHAMEFUL THAT BOTH bANDA AND kUNDA HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN A WOMAN GIVING BIRTH? iTS ABOUT TIME MEN ARE USHERED INTO THE LABOUR WARDS TO SEE THEIR CHILDREN BORN. Maybe it will stop some sugar daddies marrying young spinsters and sirring babies while well into their seventies. I can imagine putting some of them in the labour ward, is it nor recipe for heart attacks were are talking about here. Well, the red lipped coughing snake was aroused.
This woman was already giving birth in an open space (where every passers by could see her) and not in a private, secluded place. So if anything the people who were responsible for the situation, i.e. the govt and the striking nurses, are the ones who are guilt.
#92 kabwela’s husband is Henry Ngilazi from ZNBC. hope that helps u understand why he does not escort her
I still cannot understand as to why some I.D.I.O.Ts on this blog are still convinced that there was pornography in the POST complaint..
The VEEP was annoyed “to see pictures of that nature” hence was not aroused- period!
If the giving of birth in public is a taboo and uncultural, then the government was at fault for not ensuring that essential medical facilities remained open during the strike.
Don’t waste peoples time- Just drop the charges.
and yes I chose outrage as I am outraged with what is going on in zambia and the government thing we are muppets and they are masters. You never even got the full story about this woman giving birth neither did you see her pictures, infact if you ever met her family you would not them at all. You just heard thru the grape vine ati a woman was photographed in labour and started runing blindly with the mob without gathering full details, so between you and me who should have amno? Ati am I human…yeah am a woman who should kick the ignorance out of your african a.s.s! But anyway you knw wat thy say about arguing with a fool…ba the real fimo fimo we can take you out of the village but we can NEVER take the village out of you,simples…good day.
Poor Veep is behaving like an illiterate.Wake up Kunda I believe you have done some biology at school. nothing wrong with those pics.
and yes I chose outrage as I am outraged with what is going on in zambia and the government thing we are muppets and they are masters. You never even got the full story about this woman giving birth neither did you see her pictures, infact if you ever met her family you would not them at all. You just heard thru the g**** vine ati a woman was photographed in labour and started runing blindly with the mob without gathering full details, so between you and me who should have amno? Ati am I human…yeah am a woman who should kick the ignorance out of your african a.s.s! But anyway you knw wat thy say about arguing with a fool…ba the real fimo fimo we can take you out of the village but we can NEVER take the village out of you,simples…good day.
We are indeed backwards. There is more to this case than the pictures!
but Kunda has definitely seen and eaten bearded meat before for sure! Wish you a longer life.ooh. that cough seems to hurt really bad!
Where did this culture of witnessing childbirth even come from? If anything witnessing child would make any sane man nauseous. Maybe Hounourable kunda and RB seeing things that make you want to vomit is porn, makes you wonder what sick stuff have they been exposed to as porn
Its a pity that Dickson Jere, a former AFP journalist and RB’s press officer, can not give government proper advice, the case is giving Zambia bad press worldwide, it is on CNN, BBC and other leading news outlets. The woman from the Post will win the case, after all the pictures were taken by the husband and not the Post. This is common sense.
Kunda does it with his eyes closed!!!
I foresee another state funeral in the picture above. And very soon you will be joining that baby you refused to save.
Dear bloggers. Ba LT are mixing up comments with numbers, so if you want to refer to a comment from a blogger, please court their names not their comment numbers, otherwise you will court someone else, like what is happening on this story, so be careful. But this is LT’s mistake
which is the website i can see these pictures from? pls any1 help provide these pics.
Imwe ba Kunda u got annoyed coz of picture,what about us who lost our relatives and friends bcoz of strik? shameles leaders.stop wastg time and do something instead of sitting and making noise over pictures.
# 20 and the rest, You know what, your stupidity is one making women who walk without pitcoats like Chansa start misusing “modernisation”. Can you imagine if she has sent those pictures to Hamajinadjadi? Even Chitimukulu has never witnessed her queen giving birth. Stop insulting WISE President Kunda. If I was George Kunda I would sue all for personal emotional distress. What ka Chansa did was a taboo in any Zambian traditions. LISHIKU sana, and umwaiche nailetela neshamo.
And I tell you, Lesa ni malyotola. I advise Chansa and those given tuma 10pin to hold placards not to get pregnant, our ancestors are shaking in their graves. Why didn’t you and your Post readers match to George and Bishops to protest , and now you want to Protest to cleanse your SINS? Wee shamo ulukala.
Gk, dont say I did not warn you, that ka deputy fimofimo with her invisible fruit basket on her head. There you are now coughing badly in front of photo journalists. a ba bemba batila ushumfwa patunono………………………
ABENA INSAKA, CHACHINE, ABANTU BAIFI PAKUFULA KUSHIMWA ILATI BUT ALINOMUKASHI ALEEBA UMUKASHI ULENTAMBILA. GEORGE KUNDA ALIPENA SANA.
This man is a rotten busturd. He watches p0rn every night. These id!ots Rooftop Barman and George should just release the young reporter.
It is politicaly motivated… there is no way anybody sane would look at those pictures andget aroused, anybody who got aroused is a perv , shame !!! lets admit it thats not porn.i have seen porn. Come to my library and you will se porn
But ba Outrage mulibapuba pamo na ba marvelous iwe do you think right now govt has the capacity to give you what you see in other countries sure.Ati you are married sure and to a respectable man.No wonder you are outrage because you are useless and for that matter a woman supporting what the Post is doing sure.Iyo we have women and for that matter a married one sure yaba.umusebanya.Ati i have a job who tells you that having a job makes you a woman.mulekwata isoni sure.What we are talking about are values and if your nakedness is shown in papers is that right.Foolishness
If this man sees intwenu he can die. He doent look strong nor healthy
Giving birth is natural, what is not natural is letting a woman die while giving birth right in front of a hospital while a pregnant cow is cared for and escorted by 6 grown men!
Stop wasting our time and let the journalist go do her job, at-least she is definitely working as there is evidence of her work, unlike all these leaders getting paid for showing their ignorance.
Is this what the Govt can waste time on at the expense of development? Well Kunda, if what you saw shocked you bro, welcome to world of reality. Each time you walk that streets and you see a woman, Give respect to them. Perhaps that will help you give respect to the midwiferies ,nurses and Doctors for they constantly endure and view what you ‘re calling pornography. Respect them with good conditions of service which I guess was the reason Kabwela brought out the photo;to help you understand one biggest lack of concern you and the striking health workers exhibited in that ordeal. CAN WE TALK DEVELOPMENT PLEASE?
Why are we led by such backward people? Culture does not have to be static. Hypocrites! Culture is only evoked when they are cornered. Which institution in Zambia do we seriously debate what constitutes our culture as a nation?
But George Kunda if he finished form 5 must have studied biology and therefore must have seen a picture of a woman and baby in the womb. I would be shocked if that statement is the motivation for the court case against Chansa Kabwela. It may be true that Kunda has never seen a woman giving birth but Chansa did not show Kunda a woman giving birth but a picture or a representation of a woman giving birth. The two are totally different so Kunda if he understands basic science should not follow his geriatric boss who never genuinely went to School but was fast tracked through correspondence to appease post independence blacks. RB does not act and reason like an educated person at all. Listen to his speeches – all punctuated with Nyanja phrases – does he think everyone understands Nyanja?
THE REAL PEOPLE i think its time you rested your little ignorant head before you get a headache blogging about issues you clearly donot understand. Ichpuba to the core!! Awe shuwa and am sure you will vote MMD 2011. The governmnt is more than capable to provide and not let women deliver mu public. I think you shud shut up cus you are annoying everyone with your stupid shallow views. Values my a.s.s!! so tell me WHAT IS THE DATE ON THIS POST NEWSPAPER WITH PICTURES OF THIS WOMAN NAKED? HAVE YOU EVER BOUGHT A NEWSPAPER IN YOUR LIFE OR DO YOU JUST GET RECYLED INFO CUS THOSE PICTURES WERE NOT I REPEAT NOT PUBLISHED IN ANY NEWSPAPER! YABA village chickens always a problem!!
THE REAL PEOPLE i think its time you rested your little ignorant head before you get a headache blogging about issues you clearly donot understand. Ichpuba to the core!! Awe shuwa and am sure you will vote MMD 2011. The governmnt is more than capable to provide and not let women deliver mu public. I think you shud shut up cus you are annoying everyone with your ****** shallow views. Values my a.s.s!! so tell me WHAT IS THE DATE ON THIS POST NEWSPAPER WITH PICTURES OF THIS WOMAN NAKED? HAVE YOU EVER BOUGHT A NEWSPAPER IN YOUR LIFE OR DO YOU JUST GET RECYLED INFO CUS THOSE PICTURES WERE NOT I REPEAT NOT PUBLISHED IN ANY NEWSPAPER! YABA village chickens always a problem!
The whole issue has been blown out of proportion because Rabid Bulldog is hoping to punish the Post scribes for their disrespectful articles.
One word for the Post is you got what was coming to you for playing with RB’s name in your paper.
One word for RB is you’ll get what’s coming to you in 2011 when the electorate awakes from the slumber. You can play with the judges all you like for now, bite me, free FTJ this August if you like.
Sick and tired of leaders abusing the system
Again the other thing ba Outrage as you call yourself .You see what is wrong is wrong regardless of who is doing it.Now as a woman sure for your bodies or even sensitive parts to be shown on public.and talking about a village mind.where do you find cholera,malaria and the so called Hiv.Now tell me you valueless woman what town mind has done or i can help you see.
The Real People, why do you reason like the real nonsense. Do you come from the same planet with Senior Citizen? Read your postings objectively. Kabwela’s tactic was upright. She did not publish the picture in the post but drew the attention of the highest authority about the seriousness and consequences of nurses and doctors’ strike. She did not write a story but showed the Veep pictires of the issues of concern to the nation at UTH. What is surely wrong with that? Why didn’t the veep call a meeting to plan for contigency measures to prevent such occurrences during the strike? I think Kunda is also a danderhead. I used to respect him when he was LAZ chairman but alas he has embarassed himself and lost the little respect we had for him as an educated man – power drunk f.o.o.l.s!!
Is Chansa married?
What charge is the court going to give Chansa? is it indecent exposure or guilty found with pornographic material? of which this happen in our day to day life. GK focus on developmental issues not petty issues like chansa’s
But zona ba Outragers you are runing out of ideas can a K3000 fail anyone sure imagine if we had foolish leaders that article would have been published and the issue here is not what govt has failed to do but principal the so called mother.Bushe are those your children sure ba Outragers nangu musungafye.Because if you have gone through labour you wouldnt support what the Post is doing and also just of recent the Post have been bring even worse pictures of women and if you have manners you can acqualy speak sensible things than issues of am married,i have a job or can you manage to buy a newspaper sure and for that matter K3000 which even a person in Kanyama can manage.Wake this is not Kaunda reign when K3000 had value for someone to have.3pin newspaper ati am working class.Grow up youngone
iwe #150 Real nonsense what do you mean by “and the so called HIV” ? It exists, its there and its real. Cow!
# 71 Ignorance or dullness is not good because how would you want to treat the issue of a woman giving birth in the streets where even children can see that sacred act as a private matter? It was going to be a private matter if those pictures were taken from the labour ward and latter distributed to red lipped chap, so the one who is foolish is RB and his cohorts who started distributing the said pictures to run away from their responsibility of providing the safe environment for such an act in their corrupt quest to confuse the unsuspecting chaps like yourself, thereby running away from real issues.
Folks now listen to the final WORD!!! I am about to speak, keep quiet. There are issues that are supposed to attract this kind of attention i.e. poverty, high taxes, high fuel prices, lack of proper medicare/medical aid, a general sense of hopelessness amongst our people, a confused economy in the midst of a recession infact for us its a depression. These are issues that should stimulate such type of debate. Now when people are and have failed like the MMD, they always create nothings like these so that all your energies and attention are focussed on them as they continue with their mediocrity. Please say no to this and keep asking for what you rightly deserve. Let the courts rule, they wont fail to see logic.
Mike Mulongoti bushe ukuposa umutwe inshi am behind on this one.
Can someone tell me what the charge is for wasting the court and Zambian peoples time??
Any way what ever the charge the penalty should be a public beheading
#156 you are so right these people are trying to run away from real issues. While we are concetrating on this issue RB is busy trotting the global and visiting SA Doctors (un insult to Zambian Doctors indeed)
Being an African nichito. Banzatu are moving on to building computers the size of pin-heads. Please let’s progress. Some ‘cultures’ are in reality bondages. Break loose and save baby next time.
Let us wait and see from the judgement otherwise Kabwela seems to be winning the cases despite it being political
I can’t believe we are still wasting time on this non-issue. RB knows that there is no issue otherwise he would not have gone to RSA for medicals ONCE AGAIN JUST YESTERDAY.. He has now started sneaking out of the country for his medicals because he knows … nonsense! He should spend his time reading the blogs so that he knows what we think…
come on guys! there is nothing wrong with the pictures of a women giving birth. Those are just realities. The same as what happened the govenment was not doing enough, so Kabwela decided to tell the government by showing them proof of what what happening to the women. The pictures were not sent to the general public but to organisation. Personally i have also seen videos of abortions just there in Zambia and we used these materials to teach about why its bad to abort. Ther is no issue here.
1st Commander, Its People like you that keep Zambia Backward.
REAL NONSENSE I DONT THINK YOU ARE NORMAL
RB and Zuma were watching young bear breasted woman dancing half naked, that was except-able. so thats not Pornography. Please can anyone guide me to what is pornography in Zed ?
LT you have alot to ansa for…letting kapoynas on ur blogs wit kaponya vibes all the. thy have internt cafes at inter city? awe sure ignorance and dullness are more deadly thn HIV itself
First of all, i think it is waste of tax payers money to take this woman to court but should have been given elderly advice and proffessional advice as a journalist that if you are in Rome do what the Romans do and not pretend to be on E. Can Kabwela show that picture to her father, if the answer is no, then it should have been sent to the Veep. If she can then maybe her lawyer should start from there as a defense. And lastly, not sure why people even the lawyer expects obscene material to cause arousal. It is one meaning but has other meanings as usual such as “disgusting and morally unethical” and am sure this is where the govt is basing this on.
In all this, there has been so much publicity of Chabwela and the other people involved. I have no problem with the exposure of a birthing woman. My question is whether this poor grieving woman (who is grieving baby) was ever consulted before taking the shots, or ever asked for her consent to release these demeaning photos. Yes, birthing is a very natural thing but it becomes personal when its your wife, sister, mother, or your own private parts being paraded!
169, Kabwela’s father is not in government. The point was that the veep would help the strike end and the picture was meant to make him take action as a leader.
This is tragic! How can people be defending government in this matter. Real Nonsense is just that… Real Nonsonse and 1st Commander is an illiterate who has overstayed his study visa in India. Chintomfwa, Kabwela’s father has nothing to do with this case. Was her father responsible for the lady giving birth in a gutter? No, but George Kunda was as was his master. Come on man, these guys are our servants, why should we worship them? I.D.I.O.T.S!!
whoever you call yourselves outragous or the real people shut the heck up! its not about your stupid differrences its about this case at hand ok! stupid *****s.
Africa! whatever is wrong with this continent? What is happening is a result of failed brains. We could all do with brain transplants in Zambia.
#96 Wanjipaya, so apa imbafu shilekalipa.
SO IWE GEORGE KUNDA WAISHIBA FYE UKUPOSA UMUTWE YOU DON’T WANT TO SEE WHEN YOUR WIFE IS GIVING BIRTH.
I THINK KUNDA YOU ARE ONCE OF THOSE PEOPLE ABAFULILA MWI BLANKET SO THAT YOUR WIFE CAN’T SEE YOU. UMKASHI OBE TABUMONAPO ABUFWILA FYE MUKATI. WACHIPUBAWE.
Popular Zambian musician Kangwa Kampamba alias Exile spent a night in Riverside Police station cells yesterday after failing to pay for a K73,000 meal at a Kitwe restaurant. Exile, who has since been released after his wife, fellow musician Nalu, paid the bill today was earlier in the morning still found detained at the police station.
Bloggers check this on post website.
The musician was caught up in an embarassing situation. If that’s him I saw in the photo, then celebrity life in Zambia leaves much to be desired.
Do you mean to say he doesn’t know the funds availible to him? Very shocking to say the least
Dark Matter at #177, I have just completed clinical trials on some monkeys in the lab and now I’m looking for volunteers in brain transplanting. Any ideas?
I heard a RB somewhere!
#65 you raised my eyebowls. I am puzzled as to who gave Tanzania president the pregnant cow. Was it the president as personal gift to a friend or gvt on behalf of the Zambians? Why so? If it was locally bought in Tanzania that could be much cheaper? But there is sometimes show off to please other while ignoring domestic problems.
you people are you saying that an elderly man in Zambia does not know where the baby come from?
Yes outragers good morning.You must be a very rich woman and employed.You see i now know that you level of thinking is very shallow.Who tells you that people who are found at city market can be compared to a working in government or these so called jobs.Do you know how much they make.some of them a registerd for VAT and do you know what it means they make about K200,000,000 per year which means a working class his salary is about how much K17,000,000 per month.Now when what are you or who are you to tell me that you get double this salary.Dont look down upon these people.Your short sightness makes me wonder how you plan your home.A person in city market is actualy better than any working class person in that they are reducing unemployment.Check you facts first
Zambian politicians are a joke. look at the real issues for once.
ABENA INSAKA AWE I MEANT GEORGE KUNDA NOT YOU MY BROTHER
ABENA KWANDANGALA CHACHINE KUNDA’S WIFE ABUFWILA MUKATI BULAFUMAFYE GEORGE NABUBIKA MULI BAMBA. I FEEL SORRY FOR GEORGE’S WIFE.
This is total nonsense. I’ve always been at the wife’s side when she giving birth. I ‘ve also cut my babies umbilical cord twice. No fuss about it. The world is changing you hypocrits. You watch Porn on your computers and pretend you are holy. Leave the reporter alone. KUYA BEBELE BA KUNDA.
What the journalist did, first of all, has to be respected, b/se she did not publish it in the newspaper, although she had the chance to that. Men on top, listen and understand certain facts, and and leave philosophies and funny opinions aside. Let’s face it: THE WOMAN WAS GIVING BIRTH IN THE OPEN, AND ANYBODY COULD SEE THAT. So why don’t you leaders, instead, act to prevent THIS ACTION TO EVER HAPPEN AGAIN “ON STREETS”, instead of trying to get the jounalist punished for having shown you what’s actually happening on streets, where you will only be driven quickly, and you will never notice what’s going on, or even your “guards” will, in advance, clear such a picture, so that you will only see “PARADISE”, where people are actually seriously anguishing. Let’s be…
Eh Bwafya. GRZ yaisulafye abakote; they will focus on the cultural aspect rather than address the issue that is being raised = namely a woman giving birth on the street due to lack of medical personnel. We caalo…twafwa na Boma ya Rupiah.
all seems good pa zed
The birth was already public even before the photos were circulated.
Whatever people say, Kabwela used a wrong method to do the right thing. Those pictures should not have been circulated, period. If she felt so strongly about the issue (which everyone should) she should have sought audience with the relevant authorities. It was already bad enough for that woman to give birth outside, but to compound her unfortunate situation by taking pictures and circulating them!!!! C’mon
Poeple, how can a dead baby be sexy? Focus on the baby not on how the baby came to be.
People, focus on the baby that died not on how it was made. Ba LT sometimes your editing is unfair. We can’t even express ourselves. Ah!
GEORGE KUNDA………..HE NEVER STOPS TO AMAZE ME, HE HAS NEVER SEEN A WOMAN GIVING BIRTH BUT KNOWS HOW TO MAKE BABIES.
GK Look @ ur LIPS. Your lips baba have turned RED because of sucking the Machine used to let the babies out, thats why you are so mad.
Actually she deserves to be paid for the PICTURES otherwise how were they going to know? She did well to let other people know about it. Those HUMAN POMPWES were going to hide the story of the woman giving birth in public.
I strongly believe that Gov must pay people like her for notifying them whats going on around when they are busy trying to divert the funds for their personal gains.
#13 You are spot on, you have made my points.
#23 This is the law as it stands now. Are you aware that none other than the Press Freedom Committee of the Post itself has demanded that the law be changed? But why would the law be changed just for one indivdual? Clearly an admission of guilty as per current law. As per current law the poor thing is definitely going in. Oh poor Ngilazi, a lovely wife sacrificed for the selfish and political interests of the “authorities” at the Post.
well,let the vice president grow up then!where the hell does he think babies come from? trees?
# 13 and 199, I really think the issue at hand is not whether the circulated the pic or not. The issue is was RB the right person to order the police to arrest her? If in fact he did it, then the all thing can be considered political. One other issue is, why did that woman give birth outside of the hospital when in fact she had arrived at UTH? Who took the photos? Why did they send them to the Post? When Kabwela received them, what did she do? Sent them to the people who could in fact effect change. In Zambia, a taboo is not an offense. Giving Birth is not against the law. Having sex publicly is against the law. Do you have a suggestion on how the people in higher offices would have seen the plight of this woman apart from what Kabwela did? Suppose the pics came from Times of Zambia
Cont. or Daily Mail editors, would we be discussing court cases as we are doing right now? What role has hate played in this issue? Supposed Kabwela did nothing about the pics, don’t think that also would have been wrong? The Post in fact exercised a lot of prudence and ethical behavior by accompanying the photo not with threats to publish the pic, but asking for action about the strike, which was the main cause, also caused by the govt failing to meet the demands of the health workers. With regard to publishing birth situations in GB, when did you last heard health workers on strike in UK or France or USA? Probably you need to watch Discovery Health. You will see worse things than giving birth. Saw Discovery Health Channel in Zambia is a Porno Channel in Zambia and Plot 1. Shame on MMD.
Did the baby survive after birth?Vp is not normal at his age sure he does not know how babies come out.If he did biology at School he could have not been so annoyed with the pix, of a woman with her legs open and a baby coming out from the birth carnal, because as far as biology lessons are concerned they are pix of human structures that includes a birth carnal, valves ovals etc.
So ba Vp got aroused when he saw those pix?
#92…henry works for ZNBC and ZNBC = goverment. and am sure you are aware that if he is seen public with his wife, chances are that he might lose his job. you know RB very well my dear.