FORMER Republican president, Frederick Chiluba has written to Speaker of the National Assembly, Amusaa Mwanamwambwa to restore his legal immunity following his acquittal in the case of alleged theft.
Dr Chiluba’s spokesperson, Emmanuel Mwamba said in an interview yesterday that the former president had written to the Speaker through his lawyers requesting Parliament to restore his immunity following his acquittal.
Dr Chiluba argued that the removal of his immunity seven years ago was not infinite and added that the scope was limited to prosecution for offences alleged by his predecessor, Levy Mwanawasa in his address to the National Assembly on July 16, 2002.
Dr Chiluba said now that he had been cleared of criminal allegations brought against him by the courts of law, there was need to restore his immunity.
He has further asked the Speaker of the National Assembly to immediately convene a special session of the National Assembly to table the matter.
The session should consider restoring his legal immunity as the purpose for which it was lifted has been fulfilled by his acquittal.
He requested that should the Speaker find it difficult to call the session at short notice, the matter should be tabled before the standing orders committee.
The committee would in-turn report its decision to the National Assembly for ratification.
Simeza, Sangwa and Associates said in a letter to the Speaker that since Dr Chiluba had been cleared of all allegations following the acquittal, there were no criminal charges pending against their client in any courts of law in Zambia.
“Our reading of the National Assembly resolution together with Article 43 of the Constitution would appear to suggest that the removal of our clients immunity was not infinite,” the letter says.[quote]
Ndola High Court registrar, Jones Chinyama, sitting as magistrate in Lusaka, on Monday cleared Dr Chiluba of all six counts of theft involving about US$500,000.
Parliament in 2002 lifted Dr Chiluba’s immunity for offences alleged to have been committed in his 10-year reign.
Former Mineworkers Union of Zambia (MUZ) general secretary, Ernest Mutale separately described the acquittal of Chiluba as a great relief and urged Zambians to respect the judgment.
Mr Mutale said it was surprising that some people were against the acquittal and wondered why they should be questioning the judiciary.
A local non-governmental organisation, Authentic Advocates for Justice and democracy praised Dr Chiluba’s acquittal and called for expeditious restoration of his immunity.
Mwense Member of Parliament, Brighton Chongo congratulated Dr Chiluba on his acquittal, saying the court’s decision was well deserved.
He said the people of Mwense where the former president hailed were happy that he had been cleared and urged all sectors of society to accept and respect the court’s ruling.
[Times of Zambia]
Mwamona nomba na immunity yalabwela
Kafupi nkala chabe atleast you have your freedom now.
BaChiluba, even if you invoke the name of God and Israel, you know deep down your heart what you did in the 10 years you were in power. You may have your immunity restored, but don’t cheat our poor citizens.
This short Man size 2 wear. Y is it that he atended the burial of LPM but did not atend the memorial despite appointing Lev as his suceser.
The rash to have the immunity restored is very suspicious. These guys know they need to cover up for something with immunity.
IF YOU ARE INNOCENT FTJ AS YOU CLAIM, WHY DO YOU NEED IMMUNITY AND FOR WHAT?
I think the State still have time to appear the judgment and also there is that enforcement of the London Court case in the High Court. What happens if he gets back his immunity? Do all those cases fall away? Lawyers please educate us.
I also see a pattern here in Dora Siliya’s case. When she was cleared RB rashed to bring her back into govt even when it was clear the case was appealable. Maybe RB pushed in a quick word of advise to MR FTJ on how to beat our useless system. No wonder we swear in Presidents FASTELE, FASTELE before anybody questions things ..this is true MMD…
All this was expected. Money was spent on this well known aquittal. Even the late LPM said that he would be very happy if FTJ was to be aquitted. So LPM knew that money was being spent on no convictions cases. Wait for the Katale Kalumba case, he will be aquitted but the co-accused will definetely get lengthy sentences
Why should he be crying for the restoration of immunity before the London judgment is registered and how is he so sure that the Attorney General will not appeal?
Mr Speaker, Sir, we are watching what all of you our supposed representatives are doing. We know Bwezani is pulling the stirngs but have all of you parliamentarians lost all sense of shame?
If FJT Chiluba is an innocent and clean person, then there is no need for immunity unless there are issues he wants to run away from.
We all have no immunity and go about with out lives as normal so whats the fuss with him.
Well, LP Mwanawasa went to Parliament to have the immunity removed and now its a matter of time before Bwezani does the reverse even though there is a possobility of an appeal by the Zambian people.
ZAMBIA!! ZAMBIA!!
Chi RB nichi chule!
He is in a hurry to block any case that may come up against him. Being acquitted on a technicalic does not mean one did not commit the felony he has been accused of. After all there was a prima face case and FTJ was put on his defence. Talking of smoke without a fire
Attaining immunity is a possibility for FTJ, but don’t forget ati Lesa nimalyotola, punishment comes in so many ways. Be repentant, buying freedom is not the way.
AS a former President you deserve immunity ASAP.Why are you throwing heaps of things on Chiluba when Chinyama and Bwezani are the ones who set him free.
Bola yavuta …….others are sleeping ….master dribbler at work. Sata mwana sana. FTJ+RB > sata+hh
nkhani ya kang’ono.
Why does an innocent man and a “damn good president” as RB calls him, need immunity? From what?
Restoration of Immunity to the former head of state is a mockery to rules of natural justice because alot is to be determined before such is granted. Among other things we need to know the intention of DPP chambers. will they appeal or not ? its only only question as at now. if yes then Simeza’s application is futile and vice versa.
I wish Chiluba could stop using the name of the Lord in vain. He may have been acquitted in the eyes of the Zambian public, but has he been acquitted by the Almighty God. Chiluba knows his sins more than any of us and it is his conscious that will suffer, if he has one. African leaders, please stop putting your interests first before the people you purport to lead.
WHY IS HE IN A HURRY???????????????????????????????????????????????
Here we need serious guidance from our learned lawyers accross the country, but one thing is for sure, Chiluba is already up to his usual master dribbler tricks. It doesn’t require rocket science to figure out that Banda is being out-maneuvered by this trickster and his pack of henchmen, while being showered with cheap flattery for releasing the midget. He will find out rather too late that he was taken for a ride. Jones Chinyama had nothing to do with the verdict, which was obviously engineered from State House. And why is Kenneth Kaunda quite on this stupid acquittal of his mortal enemy? I know the answer to that though. I any of you don’t know, you have no fertile imagination. Zambia sucks right now to say the least.
Next thing Miko chiluba’s cocaine possession charges will be nyantililad. We are a failed state
We can only but leave everything in the hands of God. We all do not know the truth but only God knows the truth.Let’s not be a part of this by commenting on what we do not know. As the Bible says, the heart of man is desperately wicked who can know it?God save Zambia
Zambians . Why cry over spilt milk? You Know that this immunity will be given back like it or not. Our courts of law are weak, corrupt, discriminatory and useless. Remember the Dora saga and how it turned out, Mazoka’s 2001 election petition, the kashiwa bulaya nolle and many more. The real scenerio behind this Zambian Democracy is heartaching indeed.
You people will be made to fight whilst in the background politicians will be smiling and toasting. They will jail some people whilst in actual sense chaps are as free as an eagle. Its a heartaching facade you will learn to live with. It appears to me that RB does not care about what you will say. Chiluba has already gotten his immunity, simple. If you have accepted the verdict, forget about the immunity. The chap has it. Pure Logic
For many years to come, this will be the status quo. That’s what happens when the people get used to the system that is prone to manipulation. Even if you changed the Govt today with the Satas or HHs of this world, Bwana nothing will change. The systems are so worn out. They are characterized by corrupt dealings. Zambia today is like a bus driven by an unruly conductor whose passengers have no say about their destination. They don’t have a right to ask him to regulate the speed. This conductor could be RB.
Since Zambian democracy is copyrighted, an effort to make real Zambian has been a real disaster. The Real and flawless Constitution and the willingness to uphold remains paramount. Yes we can, we can come up with a conducive Zambia for all.
Gentlemen. Does anyone know why Chinyama failed to deliver judgement on the 14/08/09 as scheduled and moved it to 17/08/09? When I head this I knew we were in for a rude shock and indeed it fell on us on that day, 19/08/09 when the misjudgement was read. Just monitor Chinyama’s life style from now onwards. You will see signs of him having benefitted from all over his face. This is Zambia gents. I know of one case in which one magistrate was bribed such that even the judgement was written by the lawyer of the defendant. This true and very sad indeed.
I am simple. This man was accused to have stolen millions, but he was only tried for 1/2 a million between 3 people. So what has happened to the millions? Why did the Zambian prosecutors bring a civil case against him in London (Again with several other firms and individuals) but not in Zambia? Was this ‘lawyer wa ma lawyer’s’ advice before he died? Where is Chungu in all this? Where is Shansonga? Chiluba has been acquited on some charges but there should be plenty more to get at him. His immunity should not be restored until there is not the slightest whif of evil in him.
Someone once told this short man ati ” Iwe ka kabwalala akepi”
It may sound silly for Chiluba to seek the restoration of his immunity, but he needs it not because he is a thief but it could open a floodgate of lawsuits against him. KK could now sue him for wrongful imprisonement. Chongwe for attempted assassination. Kaundas for Major Wezi’ death etc. These, by reason of the fact that he was the man at the helm. The constitution provides for this immunity so that Presidents are not liable in their personal capacities for the decisions of the executive. But, Mr Chiluba, slow down because we the people of Zambia have not been satisfied that you are clean. ‘We shall be satisfied! Let us be satisfied!’ (Shakespeare, ‘Julius Caesar’)
It would be prudent for the State to categorically state the staus of each of those 100+ accusations LPM took to Parliament so that we know what is WIP, conluded and or trashed as rantings of a Kabiki.
i think FTJ should wait and give time to NGOs,the media and the cival institutions to accept or reject the ruling they have not voiced yet because they are still shocked
All of us who are believers in God we believe any thing to happen their is a purpose. As humans we want things to happen as we want but things can happen different and we complain. Its only God knows about Dr. FTJ for us is to accept what has happen 7 years its not a joke and the court have given us their views. For immunity no doubt he should be given it was removed because of this case. I want to see our former heads of states participating on the internation duties like we just seeing other former heads of state like South Africa, Mozabique, Nigeria, Tanzania please lets show the world that our former PRESIDENTs can do it us well not just pushing them every time
God bless Zambia
About a month ago Ka Chiluba asked for USD500000.00 to be given back to him. It seems he knew RB had pardoned himThe London judgement is still pending for Kafupi to be celebrating his acquittal by the useless Zambian courts
Zambians, wake up, its time to vote for General Miyanda if you ever want anything good to happen to Zambia. I personally think he is not corrupt, if he is..then not as bad as all these people in power and some opposition leaders. Sata no chance, HH no chance. Its time you started thinking positively. think about your childrens future, these people have nothing to offer. Vote General Miyanda…now or u will all regret.
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.
Ako kafupi in action. Why not! Tell them, after all you all reap from the same farm called Tax money
Well, he was a Head Of State, and we can’t that away from him. He gave up a part of his life to better ours. Let the man go; he has suffered enough. Let us look towards the future, the past is long gone. The money he may [may not!] have stollen is devalued. He can’t be the excuse of why we had a nurses strike, constant blackouts, unemployment, underemployment. Let the man go and stop making excuses. Focus on the now, and the future.
The question we should b asking is, what is FTJs next move after his immunity has been restored?
He’s afraid DEC will arrest him for his cocaine deals while in power.
31 keep silent my friend and enjoy your victory alone.
Just what is wrong with this ka short man. Hasn’t he stolen enough. I can’t believe there are Zambians who still listen to him and have faith in him.
The problem with you zambians is, you interpret christianity wrongly. He used the same “christianity” to make all of you blind while he was stealing and you have not learnt from that. Now he will use it again to win your trust in him. Christianity has been used most often to make the people stupid. And it always works, especially in poor countries.
What the hell is he up to? What is behind his rash restoration of his immunity. Does RB want to offer him a job. Kuti waseka. RB cannot reason and he is a shameless person I’ve ever heard of on earth. This man belongs to a home for the aged.
Mr Chiluba had a global reputation as a “smart and expensive dresser”, with his “FJT” monogram on shirts and suits and specially made shoes with high heels.
He officially earned about $100,000 while in power from 1991-2001 and yet he paid an exclusive boutique shop in Switzerland $1.2m.
“This was at a time when the vast majority of Zambians were struggling to live on $1 a day and many could not afford more than one meal a day.
Two years ago, he was furious when hundreds of his designer suits, shirts and shoes were seized from a warehouse where he had stored them.
“What they have done is to bring my underpants out to the general public,” Mr Chiluba told reporters.
Ok Twaumfya! What’s next? Any GRZ official flown to SA? Any Monkeys urinating? Can somebody steal something please, because I am getting bored here
It’s a sad day when Foreign courts can finish a case so expeditiously while zambian courts despite a mountain of evidence take years and fail to convict. How does a man like #35 says whose honest income comes to less than $100000 have £23 million in hidden bank accounts. If he is so innocent how come he cannot account for the moneys origin. This sham to acquit a guilty man will have far bearinh consequences because right now Zambia is a laughing stock to the world. A thief asking for his spoils back is unimaginable , but only in zambia.
Restore his immunity, that’s his constitutional right…
He is our former president
Respect that please !
Hmmn!!!!!!! I smell a rat… This FTJ remains convicted by the civil court of london, why in a hurry to get immunity. lets first despose off the london high court judgement. remember OJ Simpson case. As far as zambians are concerned FTJ still stands accussed. By now LEVI is turning in the grave…… RB shame on you!!
Chiluba is the greatest manipulator of all time and should never ever have the immunity restored. Despite the ‘acquittal’ engineered by his accomplice Rupiah, there are many questions left unanswered. As many people have observed it raises a lot of suspicion as to why Chiluba seems in a hurry about the restoring of the immunity. Zambians may be trampled upon but they are not fools.
On Mr “… Chiluba argued that the removal of his immunity seven years ago was not infinite and added that the scope was limited to prosecution for offences alleged by his predecessor, Levy Mwanawasa in his address to the National Assembly on July 16, 2002.“, is it the Speaker of National Assembly who restores the immunity of MPs are the ones who do it through voting?
As for the rush to have the immunity restored, why?
According to the Holy Scriptures, when Jesus Christ was crucified to the cross and later died for our sins and then rose again to life He did not rush to go back to Heaven but was on Earth 40 days and was seen by more than 500 people.
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Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and the rest shall be added unto you.
The RB saga, FTJ, sakwiba and many more, the 2008 election agenda. these are now the fruits. come on! you shall know them by their fruits.
According to me, immunity is nothing and I urge NCC to include a motion in our upcoming Constitution to always remove the immunity of any former Zambian President once his/er term of office(s) come to an end. Such a move will force all Zambian leaders to be careful in their dealing when they are in presidential office so that they wont be humiliated after they leave that office.
I thus wish Mr FTJ Chiluba will ask his lawyers to withdraw their quick application. Have a blessed day you all.
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Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and the rest shall be added unto you.
B loggers / twitters are so many now and we are really sad abt what is happening in our judicial system. This can be told from the comments. Pipo, remeber what happened when the idea of lifting Chiluba’s imunity was at hand. Pipo put pressure on M.P’s and it was done.
If we can do the same and put presure of judial systems and powers that be the same way we did for the removal of his immunity, Kafupi teti atambe bwino nafonse abosha na Chi Banda chine.
Remember how we also were hutting our car horns at 17 hours when kafupi wanted to have 3rd term. he did not succed – pressure yalimwikata. What i am saying is that, once we keep on keeping zeeee when the dribbler is doing his demonic tactics, he will walk away with it and we will continue complening and blogging.
KELLYCHINOOK,
You are dead right,it also amazes me how some chimpanzees in zambia agitate for change when in their minds they have michael sata as an alternative for change.sata is another character who can only come in to settle old scores and fanning even more violence against those discenting his views.moreover he is surrounded by the same political wolves who are not any different from those in MMD if they are not MMD fallouts.ka HH is myopic.
The man was tried in the newspapers and evidence adduced was not supported by facts hence the aquittal. As for the london ruling, bloggers please sue George Bush in a Zambian court for the crimes he committed during his rein and let’s see if he will come and appear before any Zambian magistrate. Be realistic and don’t believe everything you read in the newspapers. Some owners of these newspapers are saddist.
May be the man is too powerful. He’s now put the speaker on the spotlight. It would be interesting to see how the Speaker handles the pressure. Lets see if he has a backbone of steel iron.
#45 Akapondo
Yeah you are right. There’s no difference between Sata and MMD. Sata is MMD, he only left the party because FTJ did not anoint him for presidency. There was no ideological difference. If anything he was the darker side of MMD. Remember the 3rd Term saga, the Chawama hatchets etc.
Anyone hoping to replace MMD with Sata need to think again.
As for HH, unless the PACT works, he has no political future.
Zambia needs change, but most likely it will not come from Sata or HH.
I have never seen such hatred as has been exhibited in this country. Honestly why are we so hard hearted? Why cant we forgive and forget and move forward as a nation. So much is at stake in this country looking at the way most of the Zambians have received the news of FTJ’s acquittal. Are we true Christians in this country? Am saddened to see PRIESTS uttering statements as reported in the POST. To be honest the POST needs to take a rest from negative and sensational reporting. Why too much hatred against fellow brothers?
AKAPON DO you are right. Bambi bamamba they dont just seem to get it. They will never understand. I wonder if our country can go any forward with their thinking. Chiluba is a theif period. can he account for the money and assets he has – if he even cant, that amounts to money loundering. Those of us who are abroad and are passionate abt our dear ripped off country and still spend millions of kwacha comming back home to vote are at times put OFF by some bloggers. Dont forget crimes Sata was commotting also. . after all, he disunited MMD. Mwilala bwangu bane. emphasise Chiluba ni SAKALANYONGO – PERIOD.
Chiluba Acquitted …next ?, Dora all charges dropped bounces back overnight, .Micheal Mabenga bounces back .. he is a noble man afteral is said and done. Nevers Mumba never did anything wrong so diplomatic service He needed the Job. next Katele Kalumba look at him the brother needs a job.
My prayer is that these our leaders start reading /cheking out the LT site.They will learn alot from our VARIED postings.Someone advertise to them please.LT is so rich of comments,constructive,abusive,useless,…name it!
ALCAPONE – Mwebakulu, let me tell you, i thought in the beggining that abasungu (white pipo) are more inteligent than black pipio. I came to realise that we lack accountability for public funds Thats the major deference. Pipo steal and they walk the streats free.In your free time read mathew14v20. Even Jesus was not wastefull. He feed 5000 pipo and ensured that they did not waste / loose left overs. he made them collect them. He was not wastefull. Anyone in the bible who was not accountable was sorted out by God meanwhile God also forgave them. lets be forgiving & having a spirit of accountability the our nation will progress. Prests need also to stand up for the nation. Christianity is not abt timid, but spirit of sound mind. WE are in trouble with that thinking. God bless u
When i really think about it Chiluba is to blame for all this …levy, RB, Sata, Dora
chi rupiya AND YOU WILL SOON RIP WAT YOU SOWING HOW DARE U RELIES KA CHILUBA ONCE A THIEF OWEZ A CRIMINAL WAT INNOCENCE ARE U TALKING ABOUT, AS 4 YOU BWEZANI AM VERY MUCH AGAINST THIS SINNERS SHOULD PAY 4 THERE SINS
ALCAPONE – Sir, read abt Eli in the Bible. God sorted out all his sons bikoz os sin, even David was well sorted out after his adultery. the bible records that he was for given, but he had consiquences for the adultery. We dont have hatred. we are realistic. If we keep on saying forgive and forget, others will still and we will forgive and for get etc until they even still even the money for the 2011 budge and we say forgive and forget.. What a thinking! what a caulture! Africans, we are very inteligent for sure, but we dont account like the way u are promoting. I ofrge you and i forget. you need a christian teaching on forgiving and forgeting and sowing and reaping .
Zambia the real Africa, they say once an african always an african…you cannot put a mouse where there is groundnuts and not expect it to eat. We are cursed (forgive me for saying so but its is true) Put an african esp . a zambian in High office and he will abuse it. Icant wait … because these are the kind of role models we have .am 34 and aspiringto be president doesnt seem so difficult ,lick a boot here and there and i will make it. MAKE SURE I REAP.
What does it matter Chiluba will never be pursured again.
its at times such as this when i accept that human beings love to see their mates suffering. FTJ has been in and out of court for a long time, now that he is free, all you are worried about is his immunity. let the man have a nice time with his wife for once. imwe you only manage to steal change from the mini bus conductors echo tabamikatila. leave the man alone.
RUBBISH, WHY NOT WAIT FOR THE LONDON COURT THEFT RULING IN THE HIGH COURT
Most us on this blog kind of predicted this development!! Chiluba was not going to see the prison walls at all. The problem is our judicial system and going by the ruling, nothing is going to come out that will be worthy. The biggest loser in this saga is us the Zambian people and I doubt if there’s anything significant we can do about it. I personally blame the media for giving him space/time to rub it in our faces. The only thing we can do is simply to bite the bullet and move on. This case proves that some people are really above the law…..!!
Leave chiluba alone if you all feel hurt go and hung yourselves one even kapoko will walk to freedom
The collapse of standards in good governance – respect for the rule of law, transparency and accountability, most of you would agree, has proceeded in neat tandem with the degradation of ordinary life in many African countries; Zambia inclusive.
As Hilary Clinton aptly conveyed the message in Nigeria a week ago; ‘ what Africa needs is not more strong men; it needs more strong democratic institutions that will stand the test of time. Without good governance, no amount of oil or no amount of aid, no amount of effort can guarantee Africa’s (sic) success.
I wish to submit that all those who are not pleased with what is happening back home in Zambia put forward a petition that should be generated through this site. I am sure we have the ability to come up with something that can send a strong messege to RB and his regime lets they think that we are toothless Zambians who will leave them drive our coutry in wrong directions. I seek your proporsals.
This is what I was telling my workers at my farm, If chiluba is given freedom, He’l also ask for his imunity back. He might fool the people but God can never be mocked.
Maureen refused to shake hands with chief government spokesperson Lieutenant General Ronnie Shikapwasha.??????????????????????????
Malovian – U surely have a valid point. 4sure, we can do something starting with these blog page. However, if you read thru some of the blogs, man we can never stand a chance. From the look of thing, u re also in UK. Bakamba, first, twalaba frustrated. Lets concentrate in working and just invest back home. Kuti walaondoloka fye nabapompwe bashala. just read above mukalamba wandi. We also need a mental transformation in the citizens perspective. Paliba ubwafya shikulu.
She was seen shaking hands with several people, but when Lt Gen Shikapwasha’s turn came, the former first lady did not extend her hand.
Instead Maureen stretched both hands down and gave a smile to Lt Gen Shikapwasha.
Lt Gen Shikapwasha smiled back and walked away.
The incident attracted the attention of several onlookers who wondered what could have been the reason behind Maureen’s action.
#52 Alcapone, Yes you are right, we must forgive and forget but a proud and crooked thief like Chiluba makes very hard for Zambians to forgive him. He is not remorseful, he is arrogant and brags a lot selfishly using the scriptures to the extent of being blasphemous. The people of Zambia are very accommodating and understanding and I am very sure that if Chiluba showed humility and acknowledged his plunder he would have been forgiven after all we all err. Chiluba has not even forgiven himself.
What ever the case FTJ needs his immunity the man went thru all sorts bad experience. The court has made its ruling in his favour. What else does the Task Force and others questioning. The only case remaining in the hands of Task Force is that involving Stela Chibanda, Bende Mpande, Dr. Mtonga and Katele Kalumba. Looking at the way things are happening these too will not be found guilty.Its lesson to those who ascende to positions of authority to stop digging each others past regime. Let the Task Force be disbanded and strengethen existing Investing Wings such as ACC and DEC and these should be mde to report to a Parliamentary Select Committee and not the Executive wing of ZRA. We also nid to know how much has bin spend on Task Force operations. They did much taling and ve achieved lito.
One or two bloggers have raised a very very important question and I’m sure it is in the minds of all who have the love of Zambia at heart. The question is, Chiluba’s judgment was set for Friday, 14 August but for unexplained reason Judge Chinyama put it off for the followin Monday, why? Unless this judge explains why, his actions are very suspect and people will be forgiven to conclude that Rupiah was involved. Mr Chinyama we shall not leave you alone until you explain otherwise you are not fit to be a judge.
Foreign Courts have no jurisdiction on Zambia. Judgment in error by an overzealous Colonial Dog called a British Administrator or Judge is a waste of our time and happiness. That Judge should have spent time prosecuting his fellow British for the damage done on Africa and Zambia in particular. How much was taken from our land to UK? In fact that Judge and Mwanawasa must be tried for meddling with our sovereignty. Those who are supporting the findings of that Kangaroo Court are still wallowing in the swallow waters of colonial malaise. When did Zambia try the British leadership for the crimes committed in Britain and on the British? Chiluba never went to England to do those transactions. A British in the name of Shansonga did, why not try Shansonga? Chiluba deserves his immunity. He won.
About why the judge’s deferred dates of passing judgment, I think we all know that judges have the prerogative to do whatever they want. He could have been consulting or reading other case laws concerning the same. I know it created some suspicions in some, but as the judge, he did what he thought was right. If some of you think he was waiting for RB to give him directives, he could have done that even for the set date. He had ample time to do so and RB had the same. So, probably we should at this point focus on what next. The judgment was final and can only be reversed by the Supreme Court. Not even the President or Parliament has the jurisdiction to do anything on this case. According to MLK, Free at last, Free at Last, Thank God he is free.
FTJ stands accussed and guilty. A good name is better than a milion dollar
#75 makes sense.Let’s try to focus our attention on the current state of affairs in zambia.Chiluba is free,so get over it
I an I say dere is not one single drop of justice in dis shitstem, seen? Dem politricks are fe tricking and abusing de poorman, seen? Its de poorman feelin dem pangs fe hunger, dem belly full, what a bombaklaat mon!! But me say dis, all dem wicked fe get dere pay in full fe its coming close to pay day, yes I. Me say again mon, I na I feel no way coz all dem wicked fe get a hard beatin when righteousness and glory liberate de down trodden and trow de downpressor man in brimstone and fire, and like de smoke, dey shall wither away into notiness. To Jah be all glory and honor, yes I!!
I an I say again, the destruction of the poor is their poverty and the system keeps us hungry and all times we need to get food, our brothers become our enemies. We kill each other and dem politricians playing politricks on our minds…..but time is coming when who were the gods will become the dogs and who were dogs will be gods and sit in the presence of the most high…..
#31 1984.
Double Sense. You’re absolutely right.
The British may give us Aid of some sort. In fact they are paying back a little from the huge chunck they stole from us. This whole thing of Smith Blair etc is nosense. Have those Mps who were stealing taxpayers money in UK,bin taken to court? Currently the West commiting atrisoties in Middle East and Afriganstan yet they go scot free. Let Africa sort its own problems.Look at Zim they created the current problems and they pretend as though they not aware. Yes we can question the judgement made by Jones Chinyama but we cant achieve anything in fact RB has watered it down. The man RB does want to be associated with harassing former Heads of state. Let us move forward it has bin 7 yrs of Task Force but who has gained from that its those who are on attachment. Spend so much lito has come out
We have a nasty and rotten electoral system.
#76 Kalos 2020, The fact is in Zambia today the president, especially this current one has too much power and it is not true to say he has no jurisdiction to influence the courts. How about his mouthings and praises for Chiluba, were they not predudicial to the outcome of the case. Are you sure the president didn’t play any part in Siliya’s case. Let’s be realistic, Zambia’s integrity is at stake in the eyes of the world. Under this style of government Chiluba will get his immunity restored in no time and it will not surprise anyone.
#82. Kellychinook. The whole system s^cks up sh^t!
Kalos2020 what position did you father hold in the chiluba government? Your reasoning is like that of a plunder benefiary who refuses to accept that he was breastfed by wolves. You together with SHIMASTER seem to have blind obedience and selective to facing the facts. What kind of person bends the law of reality to reason ? Do you even know what the word jurisdiction means , you seem to show the dundaheadedness that only a MMD offspring can habour. Jurisdiction is the power to adjudicate in an area, common sense which you don’t have should tell you the uK courts had jurisdiction because the zanaco zamtrop account and the £23 million was in Their jurisdiction.
Kalos2020 what position did you father hold in the chiluba government? Your reasoning is like that of a plunder benefiary who refuses to accept that he was bre astfed by wolves. You together with SHIMASTER seem to have blind obedience and selective to facing the facts. What kind of person bends the law of reality to reason ? Do you even know what the word jurisdiction means , you seem to show the dundaheadedness that only a MMD offspring can habour. Jurisdiction is the power to adjudicate in an area, common sense which you don’t have should tell you the uK courts had jurisdiction because the zanaco zamtrop account and the £23 million was in Their jurisdiction.
# 84, Yes I understand that Zed Presidents have too much power, but it is not up to them to shed off some powers, the people and the constitution must say so. Who doesn’t want to have a lot of power? You give it to them, they take it. Influencing and jurisdiction are two different animals. According to our constitution in Zed, the President has jurisdiction over the courts. If the judges allows themselves to be compromised, we should take it up with judges, not the victims or victors. That is how it should be. If RB had a hand in the Dora issue, it is up the judges to be proven wrong. In fact thats why the American system of the jury is better than the Zambian or the British system. The jury cannot be compromised but a single judge, well it is easy. We are reaping fruits of our mistakes.
# 86, we are not discussing our parents here. I think you are about to cross the line and I really don’t appreciate your discussion.
Whoever your parents are they seem not to have taught you honesty and integrity. BY the instability you showed yesterday by claiming the london judgement didn’t exist leads me to think your parents is one of chiluba’s bootlickers and cheer leaders. I know it’s hard to go against someone that has fed you but in all honesty if you are feasting on stolen money the best you can do is be honest rather than lie to yourself shamefully. The people of zambia benefitted from the London judgement and anyone against it is against zambia so it begs the question who really is racisy. You are nothing but a home grown black african shade tree uncle tom
# 89, again please leave out my parents. Ubusushi bwaka wiso na noko ubutwale uko. If you are still sleeping in the same bed with your parents, please stop and grow up. I don’t want to tell you something that will affect your health. If you cannot discuss issues in a civil way, find other people to spend time with. GROW UP!
The message was for Slam Dog.
#91 koloso 2020 ulichipuba sana
koloso ulichipuba sana
koloso i mean to say uli chupuba sana
# 90, uncle tom is one that believes everything the white colonial dogs in the name of British Administrators tell him. Zambia is sovereign and uncle toms work to sell its cherished sovereignty by being open like a cup that accepts everything without questioning. You should ask yourself what legal right does that judge have on Zambia? If you think that white man’s judgment supersedes Zambian judicial powers, consider yourself white washed. If your England judge had jurisdiction, why did he go and render his judgment in Zambia and have Chiluba appear in court? Cry babies. Chiluba is free. End of story. Get over it. Or if you can reverse the verdict, period. Why are you wasting your time crying here. What do you think we will do? You want us to join you in whining? Hell no.
Joe higgs thank you. This mutundabuzi needs a sando to the head or a skuna kick to the neck. I can’t stand plunder benefiaries and their deluded loyalty. Your uncle chiluba will never rest , the man looks troubled and looks almost pale almist see through. THe court judgement by a lousy court can never wipe the slate of a madman like him. Hitler, stalin even sadam all were ruled on favourably by courts but their final demise was ruthless, take note and my words will mean something to you soon
To those trying to impart sense in kalos2020, the brother needs prayers for his level is that of an Islamic or muslim fundamentalist probably driven by tribalism which he tried so hard to link me too. Just look at the insults the character is throwing at the British while he is hibernating in the USA — claiming to be PhD learning if I am not mistaken.
Impressive enough, now that Mr Chiluba — whom he seems to be a relative to — has been acquitted, kalos2020 seems to have forgotten about his rants on Mr VJ Mwaanga — who is a serious friend to Mr Chiluba. Anyhow, I will keep tracking this character’s behaviour.
Have a blessed day all.
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Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all shall be added unto you.
The tribalists fail to appreciate truth and are bent on lying which comes from the devil. I am watching them and I will continue exposing them. As for the rest of sensible Zambians, let us continue to demand the whole truth from Mr Chiluba even if the watch dog zambia has reported that “the government is preparing to convene parliament as per request of Chiluba and the speaker is being pressured by government“. Which government is this one being reported here? Is it the MMD GRZ lead by President RB Banda or which one else?
By God’s grace, all will be known at the right time and I implore culprits to just tell the Nation tha whole truth. Mr Nkole, please go on.
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Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all shall be added unto you.
I thought you guys said FTJ is from Congo. I am not. I just like justice. I am surprised that Mr Maestro a God fearing person is in bed with the Devil throwing insults left, right and center. Is God n support of this behavior?
FTJ why rush to apply for restoration of immunity if u are innocent? Can u explain y so many prominent politicians (Paul Tembo, Penza, Wezi Kaunda) were murdered during yo mis rule of Z? What about the arms that were procured but never delivered when u were commander in-chief?
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most of you who are against chilubas freedom do not use your brains u let the post think for you and you believe that they tell the truth shame on you
Take leave Bro Chiluba go in the Bush (Mountains) now leave Regina to others and fast for 40 days repent and able to reconcile with levy’s family no amount of immunity will save you apart from the truth and that truth shall set you free. After all you started it as a christian you need these persecutions to strengthen you who knows may be you can be Bishop or prophet. You are not the first President who have stolen it is quiet a league.If the worse happens you are jailed you can write a book entitled “unlocking the wealth pa Zed” by Pastor Bishop Prophet FTJ or if you decide to get immunity you will be the lonely chap the world can ever have.Advice follow the narrow path be jailed and get freedom then live nicely with vera!!!
100 Kalos2020 greetings, which insult have I indicated? Can you please quote my exact words with the insult? When you can not debate you start using accusations in the way the devil does according to the Holy Scriptures following your “I am surprised that Mr Maestro a God fearing person is in bed with the Devil throwing insults left, right and center. Is God n support of this behavior?
By the way, which god, for it is not God the Creator of everything, allows wicked characters like you to threaten like the devil other people with “Ubusushi bwaka wiso na **** ubutwale uko… I don’t want to tell you something that will affect your health in your posting 91 above? Such insults. Be serious and stop cheating yourself before it is too late for you to repent.
100 Kalos2020 , your sick behaviour if not changed will lead you to a very bad endind and I advise you to desist from inulting your fellow human beings.
Mr Chiluba FTJ has been acquitted and the law will take its course on the remaining things over him and so there is no need for you to start insulting others over something that is straight forward to understand. Mr Chiluba FTJ does not need to panic about immunity but actually must challenge the task force to bring more charges on him so that he can be cleared beyond any reasonable doubt.
I hope your fundamentalist behaviour will now include rational thinking by applying truth to your contributions as opposed to trying to stop others from expressing their thoughts nicely.
Be blest all.
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Matthew 6:33
#106 Maestro, honestly I have never seen ingulu shamu chitonga, I want to see you do that. Ala ukasemuka if you are not careful. The cut and paste will grow bigger. Eventually you will stop adding your views but only cutting and pasting. Your friend Slam Dog (Pit Bull) seem to have learned something about blogging. DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONAL.
The British & American cousins have killed more pipo worldwide during the last 2 centuries and have never bin taken to court. They went into Iraq on the pretex of finding WMD and to date they have not achieved anything but Iraq is more unstable compared to when under Sadam. Afganstan under the Talibans was more stable but today pipo are being killed like rats. British and American boys are dying for a war their greed leaders have declared on poor pipo for nothing. They are fighting a war they dont understand. The only way to attain and ensure stability in both Iraq & Afganstan is dialogue with the locals. Military solution will never be achieved, The Soviets tried but failed and ended up in economic tumoil. Pipo get more determined as they get more oppressed, they fight back till the last