GOVERNMENT has warned politicians to refrain from inciting people to protest against former President Frederick Chiluba’s acquittal.
Minister of Home Affairs Lameck Mangani said in an interview in Lusaka yesterday that inciting people to protest against Dr Chiluba’s acquittal will bring chaos in the country.
“Such statements are the ones that bring anarchy and chaos in the country. As Government, we will not allow this,” he said.
Mr Mangani was commenting on veteran politician Simon Zukas’ statement that people will be mobilised to protest against Dr Chiluba’s acquittal because Government has decided not to appeal against the acquital.[quote]
Mr Mangani said Government allows people to exercise freedom of speech but that statements that border on inciting people to protest will not be accepted.
“It is like the case in which Post Newspaper managing director Fred Mmembe’s contempt proceedings were quashed by Judge Wood. Did you see us in Government going to the streets to protest? We didn’t mobilise anybody to protest over the issue because we respect the judiciary and we want it to operate independently,” he said.
Mr Mangani said in Dr Chiluba’s acquittal, Government cannot pressurise the Director for Public Prosecution (DPP) to appeal against the acquittal.
“Mr Zukas is a freedom fighter who lives in the past. He should know that there is need for everyone to respect arms of Government that make decisions.
“People who are fighting for an appeal against the acquittal of Dr Chiluba are fighting democracy. The best is to refrain from such talk because this can bring division in the country,” he said.
Mr Mangani urged politicians and members of the public to respect the rule of law.
“People are talking as if they are Judges. They wanted the case to go in their favour, but we cannot be judges ourselves, that’s not how we should think,” Mr Mangani said.
[Zambia Daily Mail]
Double standards! only those in favour mwa?
Repent! People will not always brook your nonsense. Remember people endured for a long time in kaundas time but when it was enough you saw what happened.
…..Atase! naimwe ba Mangani kabiyeni uko!
On a point of order:
Is that Mangani’s photo in his office? Is this his personal office or he is a worker at a Government office. I seek your clarificationThis is the onl
They should appeal, whats going on, atase
Mulishani mwebantu? Ine nalele munsele masoshi mwe
Looks like its ok to march and celebrate chiluba’s acquital but not to protest,fact is those who celebrated his acquital are a few poverty stricken indivuals who were paid,but those who want to protest against the aquital are numerous…zambians are peacefull people but that doesnt mean thye should be taken for rides all the time,enough is enough—- wina azalila
Iwe chi Mangani, what about those cadres who protested in favour of the acquittal? If people want to protest, let them. What chaos are you talking about? Everytime people want to protest, you chaps claim they will bring confusion in the nation. How so? You chaps protest whenever you want and no one stops you. If you want, demonstrate against Judge Wood. You characters appealed against Kalaki’s case even though that was the most ridiculous court case, did anyone stop you? You are the same characters who didn’t want to appeal the Bulaya case saying there were no grounds of appeal. Where is Bulaya today? The DPP and then AG GK didn’t even bother to resign despite misleading the people. Now they are at it again. Shamuna!
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People’s interest in the chiluba case is not out of malice or political gain, its the feeling of injustice owing to what they went through under chiluba’s rule. Events preceeding judgement day foretold the vedict & were embarrassing to the judiciary. During Chiluba zambia became a black market, govt fiscal procedures were broken down. . what peace are u preserving by suppressing the masses who are currently harbouring thoughts that their right to justice has been tempered with? freedom of expresion is a key democratic indicator. Pple in power must learn to be accountable and sensitive to people’s wishes…leave opposition political leaders out of this its us zambians, yo employers, no one is insghting us, we will react wen the time is due to do so.
Like I have said before, we dont have independent thinking ministers in Zambia. I tell you if to day RB succumbs to people’s demand that Chiluba release or so called acquit be appealed against, the same Mangani will suport the move without giving any reasons. If RB says “laugh” Mangani will laugh without asking why he should be laughing.
Iwe ci Mangani we know RB appointed you because you come from the same province. In short u are not qualified to be in that office. This is democratic country we have the right to demonstrate. I think our politians are very sick!!!! For your own info we will demonstrate. Kill us if u want!
Mangani wakwata amaf***i for brains, you think Zambians cannot think for themselves?
Looks like the only English this minister is able to speak is “stop inciting CBU students, stop inciting Zambians, stop Sh***t. What the heck?
We should not be pipo full of venegence. The courts operate independently but lets not forget that there is Govt of the day and they protect their own interests. These things happen even in Board Rooms. Contempt of court by Fred Mmembe and others has been quashed by Judgfe Dennis Wood and will it make sense to appeal against the judgement. The best way to resolve of our problems is thru legal channels but one cannot force an appeal. FTJ was lucky the judgement went his own way and 14 days period allowing for appeal has elapsed. Lets us forget about this man he messed up Zed but what are we going to gain from his being jailed as demanded by other quarters of the society. Let us move on and solve our various problems as a nation. There are many pipo who illigally eat national cake with FTJ
No. 9 what did you go through under Chiluba’s rule? Count it all joy that you are even a blogger on LT. Learn to appreciate imwe bakapanga. Why harbor so much hatred in Zambia? Time to regret will come coz it seems you guys have taken a lot for granted. The peace you have been enjoying in this country seems not to be enough. All the nonsense that comes from your heads can never be tolerated in other countries. GUNS are fired everyday. All this is because of intolerance. I have seen that INTOLERANCE in this country is increasing and its the selfish MEDIA houses and the CHURCH that are fanning that. As Zambians lets just work hard and continue PRAYING.
chi mangani shut up!
Ka-Managani, Your name is like that of Banda. Bwezani is busy taking us backwards, and You have been chosed to MANGA our innocent pipo. Howver we are not going to allow zambians to be MANGAD and KUBWEZEWA Bumbuyo by these old ignorant corrupt fellows. The Masters are the Zambiasn who are not eating and suffering because of Rupia Banda;s injustices. We shall WIN, yes We shall , we always did.. Kaunda lost with humility, Chiluba Lost the third Term bid and we had him prosecuted, Rupiah shall surely lose the abortion of justice and be locked for corruption,,This is far from prophesy but simple logic an writings are on the walls..Change and resign and go home
Mwashibukeni bonse bane. Ati shani ba Musonda? Long time, mulifye bwino ka?
LT there’s something seriously wrong with your headline: you can incite people TO do something negative, in this case protest BUT to incite people FROM protesting does not make any sense at all!
#15 ALCAPONE. Mwana peace is relative. You can give everything to your wife, money car, bond etc. But if at the same time you mistreat her, she will not be a happy person. Also remember the story of the FOX and the WOOD CUTTER? Even Jesus in Mark tells us that its better to enter heaven with one eye or one leg or one arm if these body parts had sinned than to go to hell with your entire body when you will actually not enjoy these because of conditions in hell. Finally these politicians solicit our vote with a view of serving us and we pay them on time. There fore there is no for us to thank them fuerther. The fact that they dont quit inpite the”insults” is enough to tell you that they are enjoying alot of perks.
#14 excuse me what are you saying/You have a rotten mind who told you that justice prevails only on people who have power.You cant say that chiluba was lucky how,when his wife was sentenced to three years for receiving stolen property from kakafupi,aaron and kabwe are sentenced the co accused for being given money from the same chap,is this what you want to be happening here in zambia?Kabwe and Aaron were not even civil servants,how come?If thats the case let kapoko be released,infact this guy was not the boss of the ministry,where is Dr mitti?Think twice my broher.
#14 the investigator, what do you investigate? If the country cannot gain anything from jailing Chiluba tell me what can we gain from imprisonong several former defence chiefs? In other words what is your prescription for peole of high standing who abuse their offices with impunity? From another angle, what does the country gain from jailing a common man for 2 years with hard labour for stealing a bag of maize? This is strange justice paZed with strange justifications at every corner……. I think for their own good, the judiciary and LAZ (lawyers in general) need to redeem themselves before prostitution ruins them all.
Nine Chale Mwabukashani mwebesu? Umutende mukwai. Awe ifwe utumashindano so twalisendako ka leave, utu ma exams alatwafika. Eku posa ko amano mwe. Ala nafika pa library twalamonana limbi.
JUst a minute #20 & 21. The poor man gets a jail sentence for 2yrs plus for stealing a bag of maize and selling 20grms of ganja. These are petty thieves who cant even afford legal services. Of course lawyer would waste his precious time urging in court for a thief of a bag of maize. Tthose service chiefs who are sentenced are themselves to blame that was pure greediness. How does one award a contract to his own coy in full view of junior officers? As for FTJ we are to blame, we gave him a blank cheque and there was nobody to protest his wrong doings. Whaever in he did wrong or right it was in national interest. Those who have been jailed should serve as a warning to others that it does not pay play blin loyalty. Those chaps deserve sentencing those are risks which go with such undertaking
no comment…this govt is full of dimwits.
This is beeing so s.t.u.p.i.d as to insult the brave zambians. Mangani should know that gone are days when cizens were taken for granted. This epoch is far away fron that of the 60s and 70s. We demand that the case of Chiluba be given the due course of law. Let it reach the supreme court if need be. Mangani is so d.u.l.l. in his analysis , why should the people not demostrate if the MMD has celebrated chiluba’s acquitall? Why was it not anarch when the MMD were selebrating? Mangani please spare us from your inspid talk. We are too tired of your nonsense guys. Remember that 2011 is around the conner…..all the diasporans are coming to Zambia to help change this useless MMD gonvt. Enough is enough ba K.a.p.o.l.i imwe.
Dr.iti may be out there smiling whilst the likes of Kapoko an others are dancing to the tune of justice. Mind you even in modern day situation the Animal Farm Version is even more pronounced. Simon could have found himself covered at a higher level of authority and might have acted on this and that project with full knowledge of the authorities. In any dealing when things go wrong there is always a scape goat, Collateral Damage. Heads of states & Govts world over have their own ways of getting around things to suit themselves. How do you expect a judge appointed by a seating or former President to ment out punishment, that will have different interpretations. African politics look normal from afar but once get involved professions are thrown to the wind. Power gets to the head, no thinking
If I were Kanitundila, I will actually fire Mangani because looking at what he said, he actuallu agrees with Zukas. For all who have even a mild understanding of the Queen’s language, they will actually Mangani and Zukas are on the same page, see this headline above: “Stop inciting people from protesting against Chiluba’s acquittal-Mangani”
Ala Mangani, was it not your Kaande and Mabenga who were dancing skokoshi, sinjonjo and fwemba kwa Mwansabombwe celebrating/demostrating in support of the vedict? Where ever there is an action, there should naturally be an equal and opposite reaction, simple law of physics. Anyway, you do not expect chaps like Mangani and VJ with thei little education to understand even the most basic of laws of physics like these.
#14…Its much easier to forget when some thing good happen to the nation than bad a thing.Corruption is an EVIL cancer which every person should stand to fight withiout fevours.The only hope in this fight is by having confidence and trust in the judiciary.But when straight forward issues are made to look like what we saw in Chilubas AQUITTAL?????, Then should the interested people sit idol and watch EVIL ACTS TRIAMPH OVER GOOD DEEDS in our struggling NATION? Let the people talk maybe the pain will go away fast.
The GLOBE TROTTER is the one who gave instructions to have FTJ get aquitted. He goes to Italy for some VIAGRA before getting to UN, Venezuela and Havanna on leisure and nothing else. Awe mwandi ba Thandiwe balamipwa amaka shikulu. Remember the way Sani Abacha died. Ukufwila pamulu bakaamba sure!
Infest-gator. You sound like a highly compromised cadre. You are saying it is fine to steal as long as yuor juniors cannot see it. And you are also saying for heads of states, they ARE COVERED. what nosense is this? If HERB is plundering over ZAMTEL, we should ignore it when he leaves office despite all the advice? This is why peolpe may resort to instant justice or people power when suppressed. I wonder what you are stealing at your work place……..
Peolpe should not just protest,they should get rid of this corrupt and tyrannical MMD quasi government all together.I urge all Zambians to rise against this evil known as MMD.People from all walks of life must rise and bring this draconian system to an end.Since 1991 Zambia has continued under one party system because the evil called MMD has done everything to maintain power by doing everything to silence their enemies.Zambia’s multipartism is a joke.Love them or hate them Sata and M’membe with their own mistakes are the only true brave Zambian opposition.Without the Post and PF and now HH and Father Bwalya,Zambia would have been overrun by total MMD one party state.Rise soon and save Zambia from this cancer called MMD before it becomes terminal!
Ba Mangani naimwe its all clear and simple logic.only two things have to happen: either ” pipo protest” or “govt appeal”…WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT SIR?
The bible says forgive 70×70 So who are we not to forgive if God is ready to forgive if we ask for forgiveness
# 15 Alcapone, am sorry you are insulting a wrong person, i dont insight but urgue objectively am an intellectual who knows wat am talking about wen i talk. I ddnt write to you but mearly expressing my opinion and experience. Keep those emotions to yo self. You might think you have peace from war but no economic peace…who would cherish the kind of poverty zambians go thru in a country with abundant resources that other countries pray for? think b4 you yap
Thanks for reminding our peace loving people not to fight or go on the street or rioting.We have the proper way of demos and the only way is GRZ should mind the way they speak about the Chiluba issue, you are in power but one day you will be a commoner
Mangani, it is you and your so called president that are bringing chaos by influencing the lame judiciary. Kafupi’s aquittal has been condemned world wide. You guys have failed lamentably.
“Did you see us in Government going to the streets to protest? We didn’t mobilise anybody to protest over the issue because we respect the judiciary and we want it to operate independently”. This is the kind of careless talk by government ministers which is giving them away. You don’t need to be a forensic expert to dissect and analyse this language it very plain for a layman to understand – conspirancy – unless your are a blind follower. Only a minority of judges wont succumb to bullying.
Question- What is it that all MMD members have in common? Ans- its their faty noses, even when one becomes as slim as VJ the nose remains intact
Particulars of the offence are that Rathi, on dates unknown but between December 3 and 5, 2001, corruptly gave 15,000 British pounds cash gratification to a public officer namely Lieutenant General Wilford Funjika who was serving as Zambia National Service (ZNS) commander at the time….With Chiluba getting aquitted as the supplier to Regina who got convicted, I can see Rathi getting aquitted. Funjika even refunded the money as a sign of guilty after being ordered by Jones Chinyama to do so. So lets wait and see what happens in this seemingly similar case. GRZ of double standards+RBxGeorge Kunda=George Mpombo resignation.lol
# 39 you are crazy…
Chiwamina galu kuluma imbwa osati imbwa kuluma galu.
if its MMD doing it no problem but others no for the idea it becomes a concern whyYYYYYYYYY.
Ba MMD kuyabebele time has come for you to Go GO GO GOoooooooooooooooooooooooo bakabwalala mwacilamo.
As we approach 2011 I get a premonition sense – very reminiscent of 1991 before the UNIP ouster when we saw ‘the party and its government’ drifting away from people they’re supposed to serve – and I am not disappointed.
The judiciary system is meant to bring order in any society. People are not foolish they know their rights and how the judiciary system works. When people are allowed to appeal it avoids protests, division, confusion, discontent and misunderstanding. MMD have been ruling for 20 years and they need to be realistic. MMD’s favorite leader Chiluba was a very bitter pill for Zed to swallow as a leader. He unwisely sold loads of industries which were people’s livelihood in different provinces in Zed. He said he was a Christian leader but did not empower the people. Poverty in rural areas increased under his watch. Everyone including this MMD govt should Google and check… Who is advising RB? God bless and help Zambia.
LT, what exactly is the meaning of your headline on this story? How many times are bloggers going to tell you not to just cut and paste from ZANIS, the Daily Mail or the Times? Does the headline and the story mean the same thing to you?
Why should the mobilisation and protests not start with the wearing of the “GREEN RIBBON” and the honking of car horns say, everyday at 13:00 hrs and 17:00 hrs. This type of protest has done wonders in the past and can work even now.
No one stoped the MMD carders from demostrating, not even mangani. Why should it be ok for others and not for some. We are all Zambians. Zambians let us demostrate and show these people that it is as who have power to change things, not people like mangani who receive their jobs based on which province and tribe they come come from..
A process that was started in futility ended in futility. Levy was not fighting corruption. He had his own issues to settle with his predeccesor and I would say that he managed to achieve. Fighting corruption a definite NO.Such a fight would have included formulating a legal frame work that promoted; ACCOUNTABILITY ,PREVENTION & DETECTION OF DEVIATIONS, strenghtening institutions eg ACC, AUDITOR GEN. INDEPENDENCE OF JUDICIARY, THE POLICE and other like institutions. Alas the SC did nothing in that realm. My conclusion thus as stated above. All subsquent activities are just as futile as the original. I call upon you to change your discourse, tell Sata & HH if they have Zambia at heart to begin pushing for these issues, because these are the issues that will get us closer to economic freedom
iwe chimudala chi Mangani,you haven’t stopped bootlicking namanje? since your days as a Snr.Teacher-Admin at Chizongwe in 1993:you have amassed lots of bootlicking experience eh! don’t waste our time with your cheap threats….when are ever going to stand for the good of people? at Chizzy,your pre-occupation was to see all pupils expelled, you are at it again..I still don’t believe that you are a cabinet minister..anyway!!
This guy is talking as though he were a defender of Chiluba or as if Chiluba is part of the government. “…It’s like us in govt…we didn’t go on to the streets to protest against Mmembe’s acquittal…” bra bra! This is supposed to be the govt for the people by the people… and the people want to protest against the acquittal of Chiluba. The case was The People Vs Chiluba. The govt took Chiluba to court and now Mangani doesn’t want to appeal or not even allowing anyone to protest or talk about it… Seriously I thought it is Chiluba himself who should be speaking like this. When did Chiluba hire the entire govt that took him to court in the first place to be on his side? These guys are a shame, they really lack basic reasoning!
Don’t make us sick, wena Mangani, man. You fellows don’t own this country. Why are you protecting a thief? Is it because you’ll be found thieving soon, too? Please!!! Fellow Zedians, arise and get rid of this thieving kingdom.
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Ladies & gentlemen, we of this forum are not fools that should allow ourselves tn participate in this kangaroo court that has broken the one of the rules of natural justice which is a person is innocent until proven guilty. We have joined ‘fred Membe’ & company in interpreting the law to suit his desires which are born of his hatred for F.T.J!
Yangu ichalo ubusuma twashila Bampompwe. Mangani if you don’t have anything to say just shut up your Bic. I remember when KK was giving the last speech leaving State house he said, ” The problem is not that we have lost but you have voted for a bunch of crooks. Chiluba the dribbler. Any way these are Zadi Politics.