RB did not authorise compensation to Dr Chongwe

1. someone is not telling the truth, RB or Dr Chongwe. Apa I believe Dr Chongwe pantu RB achilamo boza. Who is fooling who?

2. why has it taken RB two weeks to react?? shame on you R Bee

3. 5.9 Mil for a heist that did not even succeed. I wonder how much Tupac would get in Zed…

4. Typical of RB always lying and refusing what he said or did! We will see come 2010. imwe bantu, what happened to Dickson Jere? He used to be a good and intelligent journalist until he joined RB mukwabo????

5. I think someone must be taking the Post for a ride supplying them with exaggerated stories. There is always some truth in the stories only they are exaggerated. In this country you cant believe anyone anyomore

6. They are now trying to smooth things over, ka!!

   First it was he never did; blah, blah, blah! Now, he only had a discussion with the Plaintiff & the Attorney General. I am sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle. If the media didn’t blow the cover on this one, $5.9 million of public funds would have changed hands. They are backing off now because they have been caught with their fingers in the deep in the “cookie jar.”

   If RB & company think they are LAW to themselves, they certainly should expect some rough media coverage to follow; that is just how it works!!

7. “Mr. Jere however maintained that President Banda instructed the Minister of Justice and the Attorney General to meet with Dr. Chongwe and agree on a reasonable compensation.”
   There it is! They have accepted to pay him but haven’t decided how much. And how are they going to determine what’s reasonable?
   And with all the goings on, they haven’t even dealt with the issue of registration of that Australian judgement in the High Court in Zambia. Surely a precedent has been set – we are still waiting for Chiluba’s case to be registered. Aint no way Chongwe’s case can be resolved before Chiluba’s.
   RB is guilty as charged!

8. thats typical of RB,he is a lier!…how can chongwe accuse RB of having aided the funding? why is’nt RB taking legal action if the story was fabricated.i think with much powers the office of presdo have,let RB refute the alligations and take legal action agenst the post.VIVA ..long live post

9. These are excepts from Dr Chongwe’s statement, make your own conlcusions
   Tue 08 Dec. 2009, 04:01 CAT
   LUSAKA lawyer Dr Rodger Chongwe has justified his compensation claim, saying he is happy that the government is going to implement the decision and that President Rupiah Banda played a part in the matter…..1 ‘President Banda played a part”, only that he instructed the Attorney general to negotiate a fee with interest according to Jere

10. Mr. Jere’s explanation does not address current concerns about transparency and accountability.

11. Commenting on revelations by The Post that President Banda has instructed that he should be paid US $5.9million as compensation arising from injuries he suffered during the 1997 police shooting in Kabwe, Dr Chongwe explained in a statement dated December 5, 2009 that he was entitled to the compensation…he was ENTITLED to the compensation,if that figure was not mentioned in the meeting he had with RB he could have categorically denied in the report,alas he just said he was entitled to the money with interst for 9yrs, who is lying here, POST,RB or JERE but not Chongwe

12. kaya manje, let both parties (RB & Chongwe) put their facts right

13. “It is actually probably because of this that he did not make any time to meet me after his election, as he was fully aware of the obligations of the State towards me. However he did agree eventually to meet me,” Dr Chongwe stated. “Therefore, as far as your article is concerned, it is quite true that President Banda met me to discuss this matter a year after his election. He did not deviate from the eventual decision of the Mwanawasa regime that the Zambian government recognised the findings of the UNHRC except that he agreed that it must implement it; including the damages in the claim. He also accepted that the government had failed to do this since 2000 and that according to the law of Zambia it was liable to pay interest.The initial amount granted was $2.5M

14. GENTLEMEN,THIS STORY IS CONTRADICTING THE ONE IN THE TIMES OF ZAMBIA.GO NOW AND CHECK.IT SAYS RB BLCOKED THE PAYMENT OF US$6.7M TO CHONGWE..THEN IT SAYS AND I QUOTE:

    ” Mr Jere said although President Banda did meet Dr Chongwe in the company of the solicitor general at the request of Dr Chongwe who informed the president of the pending compensation to him by the Government, President Banda did not authorise the payment of the amount of money as being insinuated by some political players and sections of the media”

    SO AM WONDERING WHICH DICKSON JERE IS SAYING WHAT..?? HELP US GOD

15. The initial amount agreed upon by the commision was $2.5M, now that RB agreed that he was entitled to the money with interest,its only common sense that the payout amount would be more than $5M depending on the interest rate they are using, apparently nobody knows what sort of rate they used to come up with $5.9M, who is lying POST,RB or JERE,,,ofcourse not Chongwe,but again if the post are lying,why cant the state take them to court,i think they have gone too far,they have told humongous lies about the President who deserves all all the respect

16. BringBack Money is lying again.

17. #14 It is difficult when you have people at the top always on the defensive.There is nothing wrong in admitting and apologising to the nation. Lies will need lies to cover up but how long?

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19. Its appears Smoothcriminal will always be DULL! What part of these lies can’t you detect sure? If you have been following this issue you will clearly see that even the recent statement from State House has loopholes! Check what Mangani said when the story just broke!

20. You I d i o t s who hate the Post could you have known about this payment without them. That $5.6 million was going to be paid had it not been for the Post.And as usual the public media has to react to the Post. post tell us other things they are doing.

21. #19,Mwiinga, educate me,who’s telling lies!!! show me the loopholes in from Sate hse statement,and why you believe they are loopholes,,apparently i cant seem to tell who is lying btn state house and the post-(wish i could be as clever as you,what does it take anyway)

22. Meeting the cabbage in hidden place will be results,very embrassing too

23. Its RB at it as usual!am sure he must have told old Rodger that of the US$5.9m, he would keep US$4.9m and donate US$1m to MMD to fund the convention and campaigns.when will that CBU student who was shot by Police get his compensation too?

24. This is what Mangani said initially: “Mr Mangani said Dr Chongwe’s issue required legal opinion hence, the move by Mr Banda to write the Attorney General Mumba Malila seeking his opinion and guidance.”
    And this is what Dickson Jere said in a statement yesterday that President Banda on November 30, 2009 instructed the Attorney General (AG) to stop the payment because of the large amount involved.
    “Upon noticing the figure, President Banda immediately issued instructions in writing on November 30, 2009 to the AG to stop the payment because of the huge amount involved. Therefore, the role which the president played was to block the payment of $6.7 million to Dr Chongwe because he felt it was too excessive.” From seeking Malila’s guidance to blocking the payment…this doesn’t…

25. There is not really a question of a lie. It is really subject to intepretation. Rodger Chongwe has his own interpration of events and in his letter does not actually refer to the figure and what the statement from state house says is actually very much in line with what Chongwe said. What i See are different interpretations which of course the Goverments opponents e.g. the post and oppostion parties will capitalise on

26. Vetenary or sorry veteran and capitalist help us to interprete ilwashi lya ba R. chongwe. chalishani ku meeting yaku state house. Sure nkhani ya compansation plantiff should go to the president?

27. Hope all those who are doubting can see who is lying now…Mangani said Rupiah was seeking AG’s opinion and guidance. But now State House is telling us that he instructed Malila to stop the payment. This doesn’t make sense how can Rupiah seek guidance from the same person he is instructing to halt the payment? This is lies pure lies!!!! Its only somebody with poor analytical skills that can’t see these contradictions from our so-called government LEADERS!

28. if it were not for the post that money would have paid, its just bad that they get court by the media and they are not dyning about the insue but they are only dyning about the amount to me which is true. in addtion to that it took them so long to ans about that as well as there statements are notthe same.
    Come on zambian open your eyes and see the words.

29. No Mwiinga forgive my poor analytical skills but the presidents said he sought advice, that is legal advise, but he remains the head with Executive power so he can direct after he has sought an opinion. It says that he halted the payment when he saw the amount. And note that the original compensation ordered is US$2.5 but the final setllement was US6.7 so this difference could have caused intervention. Read through all the statements carefully without a pre- determined belief and you might see that there is no real scandal here

30. Number 25…Don’t even bring in The Post and the opposition here. RB’s advisors are gullible they can’t spin data once the shit hits the fan. They don’t know how to use the media which is at their disposal. The Post has tactic and strategy whilst the state media is just reactive making RB look so shallow and vulnerable. Dr Chongwe may not have mentioned the actual figure but he certainly talked about the interest accrued! If the US$ 5.9m The Post talked about was a lie why didn’t Dr Chongwe dispute? he couldn’t probably coz The Post had even under courted the agreed claim with RB. Just accept that The Post has once again caught RB and team flat footed!

31. #21 Smoothcriminal
    It takes simple reasoning. Had it not been for the Post newspaper, digging deeper as usual, you would not have known of this transcation! Its now undeniable, beyond reasonable doubt, even from State House, the horses mouth!, that the meeting and the claim for compesation did take place. How much more evidence do you need to satify yourself? Why you keep hitting at the Post, my bro!, is surely a puzzle. Wake up and smell the coffee! These guys are criminals. Why are they relentlessly on the back heel?, at the receiving end! Its a fact, they wnated to pay chongwe collosum sums of public funds illegally! Beyond any reasonable doubt! Shika, Mangani, R’n’B and Jere have confirmed. As usaul they have mishandled it. Bakasabanya amafi!

32. This is a case of Chongwe’s word(which the post gets as gospel truth) against the States. RB is said to have instructed the AG to look intob this. What has not come out even from Chongwe article is what did the Solicitor General who attended that meeting says. Who advised RB that the state has an obligating to pay or recognise the ruling of the Ausie court? Mind you the AG is the President’s legal advisor so if that was his advice then pay him but as RB says lets negotiate the amount.

33. Excuse my dullness Mwinga,but all we are reading about are conflicting statements from the same people,who came up with the $5.6M payout figure,the commission granted him $2.5M, but the president said it has taken long to be settled,hence,the interest, which made it to come to $5.6M,now its up to State house to say no and possibly take the post to task for revealing that figure and possibly prosecute them,mind you Chongwe just said he was happy and entitled to the money,which as reported 5.6,this is simple,if the post is peddling lies against state house,the prudent thing to do is take them to court,just like Chiluba did in the Chiluba is a thief Case,simples! all i asked is who is telling lies between the two,post or state house,if you have facts lay them for us and end the debate

34. Another comedy of errors?

35. #31 Zebron Nakadoli….For the record,im not against the POST,neither am i for RnB,,,,if the post was a political party i could have been Veterinay or capit… ROFL 🙂 whatever they call themselves,there’s nowhere in my comments where i castigated the post,i love the post with a passion

36. I agree that RB’sR machine is quite inefective but i say that I dont see much inconsisitency in the issue at hand.. Why i bring the post in is simple!! the press sensationalises things in order to sell and i must add that the post are clearly anti RB. they will never use any opportunity to scandalise him. which is indeed their right. Just like the Daily mail will always scandalise the opposition.

37. Rupiah Banda is DR. Maboza. The Post Newspaper is the only true and Patriotic Zambian Medium which brings out the hidden truth by digging deeper. Some media houses are an embarrassment to Zambian people. But we also know that Rupiah Mubwezenikumudzi Banda is a liar. He has lied since he became the President of poor Zambia. This guy is busy creating deals from which he can have a cut. Yes this guy so called Rupiah is opening his own prosecution. Rupiah is the most corrupt President Zambia has ever had. Why is Rupiah denying the fact that Dr. Chongwe is making a follow up of the same amount of money now? Rupiah Banda must be awarded a doctorate in telling lies and twisting the truth.

38. The Prezident’s enemiez real or imagined, must have a torrid time manufacturing all theze thingz. And I wonder what benefit The Post gets from all theze liez allegedely written day in day out.

39. Please note that NO Aussie court determined this case. Instead there is a UNHRC Report and two issues are clear from the report:

    1. Under Section 3 of the report, Dr Chongwe is the one who submitted that an amount of US$2.5 million in damages would be reasonable compensation. The Committee never commented on or supported this position. Accordingly, the figure remains just that – i.e. it is just Dr Chongwe`s submission. THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT THAT AWARDED HIM US$2.5 million COMPENSATION.

    2. Under Section 7 of the report “The Committee urges the State party to carry out independent investigations of the shooting incident, and to expedite criminal proceedings against the persons responsible for the shooting. If the outcome of the criminal proceedings reveals that persons acting in…

40. The MMD is a democratic party that follows democratic principles. This is why the MMD is truly the party of the people.
    I have gone for now. Happy blogging everyone.

41. an official capacity were responsible for the shooting and hurting of the author, the remedy should include damages to Mr Chongwe.”

    To me this is the course of action that Dr Chongwe is supposed to be pursuing right now – ie getting the State to carry out independent investigations of the shooting incident. The issue of his compensation is supposed to be determined by the outcome of the criminal proceedings.

    The UNHRC report can be found on http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/821-1998.html

42. FYI the official currency of Indonesia is called “Indonesian Rupiah”. Small wonder our Presidents attracts money matters

43. How the hell can things go well for our country when day in and day out we are fed with a string of lies and denials from the very top of leadership? Mr President, please be sincere.

44. You know, in Bemba we have a saying that goes: “Imamba ta ifyala imamba inankwe”. Here you have Eastern Province giving birth to two sons, one called Bwezani and the other called Roger. While one, in this case Roger, is clearly endowed with noble characteristics such as honesty and the ability to reason in a sustained intellectual manner, the other one called Bwezani seems perpetualy beset by behavioral traits that constantly invoke confusion, contradiction and shame. Put it in other words, you have to be “ichinangwa class one” to believe Bwezani here because he is the one clearly talking nonsence!

45. Number 29…Why didn’t Mangani talk about the halting of the payment the very day he first addressed the nation about this issue? If these guys had a solid case against The POST story why has it taken them so long to come out? Mangani attempted to answer the second day The POST broke the story and he answered in the usual shallow and patronizing manner. Armed with facts you think Mangani could have left this matter to go in this manner? Have you ever wondered why Malila’s contract couldn’t be renewed? its simple they suspect that he is the one who opened the lid on this matter. So now they think is an appropriate time to offload lies because am sure they have backed-dated correspondence etc. I am smarter than that and I certainly can’t buy their lies.Wake up iwe!

46. Thanks “The Truth” for that info. now those with reckless opinions can respond from an informed point on view. besides the post has an agenda aginst RB and not to dig deeper, there preferred candidate mangande didnt make it into power.

    History has seen the post newspaper oppose the late LPM until a carrot was thrown at them…then silence prevailed. It was sata this, chiluba that – check trends of digging deeper 1999-2006

47. RB is just corrupt. He is a joker who has never been serious since he became president. He must change for the better. We are tired of his scandles. If the post is telling lies why cant RB sue them? If they can persecute Mmembe on unfounded accusations why cant they prosecute him for telling lies if indeed the $5.9 million is a lie? But we know that it is true thats why they are icing more lies on it. WHAT A S.TUPIDY GORNVENMENT YOU HAVE ZAMBIANS.

48. Mwiinga, thats one good conspiracy theory. Anyway on malila, it is practise that every President picks his own AG, it was actually very well debated at the NCC. The AG is like the Presidents personal lawyer so he needs someone he has total faith in and someone very loyal. In America this is usually the first position picked and remember JFK picked his brother while LPM here picked his old friend Kunda. I am the first to admit that the Govt’s media machine was faulty and mismanaged the situation. But i cant see where RB expressly said go and pay Rodger US 6.7m . He clearly admitted the presence of a liability and the obligation of Givernment to pay and then went on to say let is be discussed with THE AG and Minister of Justice

49. #47 What you are saying is true only in THEORY, but in practice you have to depend on the intergret and morality of the person in question. That is why I personally do not have confidence in the so called NCC especially that LPM asked the Zambians to trust him.

50. I have now come to believe that the malnutrition that Zambians suffered in the late 1970s and 1980s has affected the IQ of the nation. So many people are finding it difficult to understand things. I would suggest that instead of fortifying food with vitamin A, the Ministry of Health should seriously consider omega 3 and 6 oils before our people become duller. I have not seen any contradiction between Mangani’s, Chongwe’s and the President’s accounts of events. Let me spell out.
    FACT 1. The President met with Dr Chongwe to discuss the judgment.
    FACT 2. The President agreed that Dr Chongwe should be compensated.
    FACT 3. The President handed over the matter to AG’s chambers.
    FACT 4. AG’s chambers met with Dr Chongwe
    FACT 5. The President never authorised payment

51. # 48.Deja vu the judge of the morality and integrity is the president. He is the one who requires the services. And believe me at that level agree, there is very little integrity world wide . It is the dirty murky world of politics where the people noemalyy get s.c.r.e.w.e.d. that is the name of the game. Saint I agree with you but this nation is so full of sceptics that all they can ever see is blood. Its really sad….

52. Does Zambia have a good libel lawyer? Someone could bankrupt some newspapers.

53. 51 THE SAINT…Dream on! There is more to this than the details you are trying to analyse that have just been given to you on “THE NEED TO KNOW BASIS”. Ask us I am part of the system so I know what I am talking about… someone will be bruised and certainly not THE POST coz they are standing of solid ground. I can bet you!!!

54. You dont even need a good Libel lawyer,any lawyer would be able to handle libel cases,its straight forward,the post have reported numerous purpoted lies abt RnB,why cant they be prosecuted,they have a lot of informers within the govnt and i think they dont just report from without,they have the evidence to back it all up,otherwise they would have been history by now,thats why cabinet is hell bent on gagging them through the media regulation

55. #50
    positivist pa zed: You sound like you have given up hope. #51 THE SAINT says:We have very good lawyers but a lawyer can only deal with facts from his client. One paper the which was run by Proffessor Higgins Chewe went under after continuous fines. The POST may appear to some to be exeggerating but we who are in Zambia know about some these things before they even appear in the POST. As we drink we discuss the happennings at our work place. Zambia is a difficult place to keep secrets. Even before the advent of the POST information used to come out and KK used to complain about this KACHEPA. Bury the POST, but as long as you undermine the law we shall find a way of decerminating news to our people. By the way your president promised to deal with Mmembe over $30: Up 2 now zeee

56. At the rate we are going, our Head of State will have no freedom to act according to the leverage the constitution gives him until The Post newspaper ‘sanctions.’ These ‘leakages’ to The Post are meant to undermine Executive decision making and cause opprobrium in the eyes of the citizens against the President. This issue is one example. First, an alarmist headline and then next an editorial to support compensation, the same which is condemned, because the President is Banda. Can The Post newspaper say with hand on heart, that there is NOT A SINGLE good thing that Pres Banda has done? As Psychologists would say, if you want a person to succeed, point out the emphasise the positives and mention the negatives. If you want them to fail, just talk negatives. Ignore the rest.

57. The Presidential term is only 10 years max. It is in the interest of every Zambian that the President does a good job and succeeds. We do not have a ‘wamuyayaya’ at State House so that we fear that he will be in power forever if he succeeds. Pres Banda has very small children and I believe that he would like to see his children grow up in a prosperous Zambia, with unlimited opportunities to better their lives. Pres Banda is not corrupt as so many have insinuated, but like it or not, our constitution gives so much power to the President to determine directly or indirectly the affairs of the state. The constitution is the problem. Unfortunately, the NCC seems to be doing little to change this. At the stroke of a pen, Chiluba gave out houses. Councils lost income.

58. 55
    THE SAINT – Without the POST Dr, Kashiwa Bulaya could today be free on the streets enjoying stolen money TAX PAYERS and DONORS MONEY. How can you deny the truth? During the 2008 Presidential by election Fredrick Chiluba on Radio Yangeni in MANSA said openly that he was campaining for RUPIAH BANDA because Rupiah had promised him something- “I can only support the one who has promised me something” To you Mr. Saint what something can Chiluba talk about apart from his freedom?.It was not the post who reported it. We all heard it from the pymie’s mouth and what followed was that infamous acquittal. Mwana naifwe tuli bene ba MMD but it has been hijacked by money lovers.

59. Simply by word of mouth, Dr Mwanawasa stopped Chipata council taxing bicycles. The Zambian President has a say on every little thing in the country! That is not how it should be. I was once involved in reviewing an Act of Parliament some time ago. I was totally against phrases like ‘the Minister shall appoint…’ ‘the President shall…this and that.’ But my misgivings fell on deaf ears. This act has now been passed and contains all those detestable phrases. When law is made, there should be no room for subjectiveness but cold and hard factual objectiveness. No law should empower a person to act well based on his personal goodness. The degrees of freedom of interpretation should be as narrow as possible.

60. #57 Deja Vu
    What did the PF promise Chiluba when he campaigned for them against Mwanawasa? Chiluba was talking about the democratic right of every citizen to support the party or person who promises him something. In every democracy, people lobby political parties. You vote for the party that will give you want you want. If I was gay, for example, it would be in my interest to vote into power a party that promises to uphold the human right to free association. The President has promised legislation that will protect whistleblowers in the fight against corruption. The 2nd Republic mentality stops people from talking to the authorities to report corrupt practices. One should not go to a newspaper to report corruption. Trial by media is undemocratic.

61. Sorry that the word g.a.y. is not accepted by LT so my posting doesn’t make sense. I meant to say ‘If I was g a y ,’

62. @59
    THE SAINT
    Thanks very much. That is why I voted for UPND although I have no alligiency to any party.I am a person who would rather starve than support a corrupt regime for crumbs. I hold my country above money. I refused to be youth chairman in Unip, I refused to be coopted in MMD in my consitituency because I was not happy with the chareter of the Presidents – abusing their authority all the time when it suits them.

63. Deja Vu
    I am in similar position. I have never voted in any election in Zambia except in 1984 or there about when I actually voted for one Michael Sata in Kabwata!!! They have ALL been a disappointment, but somehow, I see Pres Banda’s as the best opportunity Zambia has ever had and in one way I am happy that he is kept on his toes by all the scrutiny he is getting, but I reject the diminishing of this high office by the insults that are published each day. They just leave a bad taste in the mouth. The government of the day MUST be held to account indeed and where there is wrongdoing, the law must take its course and where the politicians do not work, they should be voted out. But we do not do so through rhetorics of evil. Two wrongs to not make a right.

64. De ja vu.Firslty i have not lost hope. I am positive and hope for a great future for this country. I realise that as long as we will live In zambia there will be a single Goverment that should be criticised wrong and congratulated when it does right. I accept that the POST and freedom of the media has brought a lot of benefit. However to say the POST is perfect does not err and has only noble intentions would be like those who say RB is perfect , does not err and has only noble intentions. They are both far from perfect.So what I do is try to be objective and weigh both sides of any story before I make a conclusion.

65. #62 I always hear that the president is insulted everyday,accused of lying etc.isnt it a crime to insult the president!!! can someone educate me on this,calling a spade a spade does not amount to insults ffs. what are these insults that have been peddled against RB kansi,why cant the law enforcers swing into action and bring these perpetrators to book

66. 62
    THE SAINT: Yes the Office must be respected by all of us including the holder him/herself. Mr. R Banda has also used uprintables against his perceived enemies. He must stop this and also must look at which people can ably represent him as ministers. Not the likes of Managani, Mulongoti, Shikapwasha etc. Remember its people like the late Kamalondo who had added to KKs unpopularity.

67. RB is just a confused president who cannot be trusted. He speaks without thinking about what he is saying. He still thinks in terms of goats and chicken on his farm when dealing with serious national issues. How many times does he have to about turn on serious issues since he came to power. He is a loose canon. I’m sure Aka and Francis Chigunta are always embarrassed with his conduct. It’s trial and error on everything. Every now and then someone has to do damage control and unfortunately he has to destroy someone’s reputation always to be able for him (RB) to look sensible to the nation. I now believe that when LPM appointed him as Veep, he was looking for someone who was too dull & tired and who had no capacity to trick him like Nevus Mumba almost did. Dr Chongwe cannot just dream…

68. De ja Vu. so what I am saying is do not pre – judge :understand that a Government has an obligation to make decisions and will not ask the post or a large number of the pipo before every decision. And every decision they do make is bound to disadvantage someone but hell, that is what leadership is about. Now you should try to realise that even the worst of pipo can make some good decisions or ven the worst of pipo has some good in them and what we should do as a nation is try to get the Goverment to make the best possible decisions whether we approve of them holding office or not. Mow back to the POST, they have from the beggining said they were against banda and he is the most despicable character. So whenever they write anything consider that

69. The first rule of journalism: never let the truth get in the way of a good story. I believe this one was ‘a damn good story’ and The Post, in living up to their shibboleth of a paper that digs deeper, have done just that over the years.

70. You guys are talking about being objective and respecting the presidency,if he the president can stand on the podium and insult the oppositionl,what would stop them from insulting him back,we all look up to him for leadership,but if he cant offer leadership,im afraid he will get insulted and rightly so,its all about precedence,he preached about tribalism during campaigns and now he comes out to condemn it,more of a case of pot meeting kettle,sorry to say this,but there’s no inspiration coming from RB,we hear of stuff going on behind the scenes,look at the hollow statements coming from shika,mangani and mulongoti,they just deny without any facts,how do you even start to defend this lot

71. It will not suprise me if we wake up one day to find Rupiah Banda has ran away with our money to Zimbabwe or South Africa. Noticed how he has been investing in his future by tracing his roots? Zimbabwe is nototious for hiding rogue African Dictators since they do not have extardition treaties. Remember that Mengestu Haile has been holed up in Zimbabwe for years now and recently, Sudan’s Al Bashir was in that country even though there is a warrant for his arrest by the Hague.

    Careful people!! Arrest this man before he finishes painting his masterpiece!!

72. @63
    positivist pa zed : Great to hear from you. I also dont say the POST is 100% perfect. It is run by people who may also have their agendas, which is not good but unavoidable. You see in the early 1990s I came to hate the POST for their attacks on FTJ(we are from the same area and happen to have attended the same school at different times). I came to hate them so much that I came to suspect that Mmembe was Lozi and was campaining for Aka and Arthur Wina. Along the way after mixing with certain people I came to realise that after all the post had some truth on their allegations against FTJ’s government. Ok they go out of the way, but at least we are knowing things we would other wise have missed.

73. Not untill someone tells me the lies and insults that have been peddled against the president with facts,i will take it he deserves evry vile that is said about him,unless someone convinces me otherwise i will believe the post.There was a paper that told lies about Mabenga,he took them to court,won the case and got paid, why cant anyone do the same to the post pilizi…..so far you people just say the post is not objective,but cant give any reasons to backup your claims…pathetic

74. Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, lies from post about banda,nil,zilch,nada,akuna,kulibe, all hearsay,,,,,,,,insults that have been direected at Banda,zilch,nada,zero,nothing,akuna,taku,,,,,zero, if you dont have facts we take it you are hallucinating SIMPLES!!!!

75. “Tye timwe, tisangalale. Basiyeni bakambe!” Is now his behaviour. He is the same guy who said “kanitundila” and “Viyoneni vemasilu”. Beer and parting are his best friends.

76. 74…you are just so accurate in describing this guy. My dear you are spot on!Ur very very correct, that’s him so you know him as well? All these years he has been known for beer and partying!!!

77. #75, Mwiinga,

    The guy is really a junky!

78. Good afternoon
    I smell a very big rat in this matter. Why is he refusing to comment on case if he has nothing to hide? Day are numbered…lets wait and see

79. oops, must read “days are numbered” of course.

80. Deja Vu and all the others. It is not The Post that outed Chiluba or any of the plunderers. The Post published news that was given to them by people as well as the evidence ‘leaked.’ Now, every newspaper should be able to do this. In the days of Dr Kaunda, news was controlled by the government through their own outlets. Since 1991, this has been liberalised so anyone can print this and it just so happened that The Post had a head start. Zambia was a highly indebted country and donors would have been unhappy if anything had happened to Membe &co. The result is that Membe took courage to print what he wanted. These stories come from chit chats. At UNZA in the 70s and 80s we had similar students papers which were anti-government. The Post is a glorified ‘Scribe.’

81. Nane chale who is refusing to comment ???

82. SAINT & DE JE VU. The press pay a role, but ultimately the decision lies with the people and the other players. The media are only one stakeholder, and the post is a part of that media

83. Zimbabwe’s Mugabe is tyranical but there are papers there that publish the truth inspite of real harrassment from the authorities including arson. They are the real heroes and they are doing this in real dictatorship. What have The Post editorials ever suffered except a stint in Remand? In the 1980s a young Times of Zambia reporter reported about a missing army truck load of weapons from Arakan barracks. He was sued for false alarm, and yet he got that information from a senior government official who attended his church! This official denied this. Zambians are now free to speak, but like negro slaves after the emancipation, they are still psychologically not free. You can report corruption and it will be investigated. Don’t try people through the media.

84. #81 Positivist pa Zed
    I would defend the freedom of speech and the right to publish what they will for The Post even if they wrote about me. What I cannot accept is trying to alter the public perception of an individual by spoon feeding people with distortions of the truth. The Post do not publish lies, but they put a spin to the truth so that if read by the unwary it gives a poor impression of the President. Let me give you an example. RB was portrayed as Zimbabwean first. He went to Eastern Province and said that he belonged there and he was one of theirs. That was spun out as tribalism. In every culture, there are ways of saying things in jest without ill-will. An African American may call his friend ‘nigger.’ Put in another context, it would be an insult!

85. Many of you bloggers who think that the post lies are full of wishful thinking. I am an associate som eof the reporters of the post and i can tell you this
    -The Post will not publish a story if there is no evidence
    -The Post always takes time to investigate before they publish a story
    -The Post always makes sure they cover hemselves before they publish a story
    -Any reporter who writes stories that can not be substantiated and give to the editor will be shown the door
    -The Post has legal counsels who go through their stories and make sure they are covered legally
    -The post never pays anything to a news source. You have to provide information voluntarily. One James Lukuku will atest to this.

    Ask yourselves, from the time of inception, how many people have sued the post successfully?

86. As far as I can see, President Banda has made onlt 3 mistakes in his Presidency. 1. Perhaps he allowed The Post’s support for Magande to cloud his judgment on Zambian Airways. I know the shareholders of Zambian Airways personally and they are good people. Their association with the Post, cost them government support. The President may have come to the right decision, but it was marred by this tiff. 2. The way he defended Dora was unwise. He could have put out a press statement saying ‘Hon Siliya has my confidence.’ He should not have become so personal as to call her ‘smart.’ He needs good advisors to coach him on how to speak and to anticipate issues. He seems to be playing catch up all the time. 3. He does not need Chiluba. Even if he is a friend, he should not parade him.

87. With the hatred that RB has for the Post that he can drag Chansa Kabwela over ‘Pornography’ ( a comedy of Errors), due you think Fred M’membe is stupid to publish things he can not defend?
    How many scandals has the Post revealed and we find out almost always that it is true? I can tell you that a reporter at the Post who presents an inacurate story, is fired instantly!
    Dickson Jere failed to make the grade at the Post.
    The Post does not accept to have its reporters paid per diem by GRZ officials when they are covering them. If a reporter gets the money, he is fired.

    I can assure you that in Zambia you can not run a newspaper based on lies for 18 years and survive. No way! The Post has survived because of the support of the Zambian people who read the paper.

88. #84 Contrada
    You are right and I agree with you. But there is a way of reporting the truth that can mislead people. Take the Chongwe issue for example. Suppose the President asked the AG to look into the case, and the AG decided to pay. Would you report that ‘Pres has authorised payment,’ ‘AG has authorised payment’ or ‘Government has authorised payment?’ The immediate authority is the AG. Similarly, the Chief Justice is appointed by the President, if he acquits someone would you say it is the President? The ONLY reason you put the President in the story is to cause him opprobrium.

89. You guys alway talk talk talk about RB. Dont you know that he is a MUNSHEBWA UWAILE NAMAFI KUBOKO?? Leave him alone to perish. He behaves like a grade 8 atase!!!!!!!

90. On the same case of Chongwe, The Post accepts that he must be compensated, but they drew un-necessary attention to the President on the basis of the sum that was quoted. In law reparations vary widely across the board. In USA some people are paid millions for a botched operation while others got thousands for exactly the same injury! Then you say that RB hates The Post. RB was attacked by the Post even before he opened his mouth. The Post started when RB was appointed VP. They published the leak with a photo of RB in a car driven by Ms Agnes Ngoma. From that point onwards, he was on the Post black-list. He is human. He is bound to have ill-feelings to the incessant, unprovoked and frenzied attacks on his character and his family.

91. The Saint has observed well.RB has done a lot of great things that the citzenary shall soon see the results.You will see how the Presido will will transform the lives of the inpoverished ppeople sata made when he was a minister without portifolio.A lot of inestment is coming to country,schools are been built ,major roads constructed,ARVs freely been distributed ethinicity been well managed in the country the list is too long to mention.

92. In actual fact had Mr Michael Sata been in RB’s shoes… I shudder to think of what would have happened. Right now Sata is in court against his former PF Secretary General. I feel so sorry for RB that I would be quiet happy for him to leave and go back to Chipata and let someone else harass Zambians. It seems to me that some people want to be abused and when the abuse stops they pine for it. Could it be that people want a ‘man of action’ to tell them what to do? ‘Oh! judgment! Thou hast fled to bruitish beasts.’ Oh! you hard hearts! You cruel men of (Zambia). You are not stones! You are not wood! You are people!

93. therez nothing to be paid here dont ya knoe dat we are still in financial crisis and ya iz deciding to pay $5.9m to an individual??? come just get ya headz right and do whats viable for da country. am tired of how our leaderz keep on messing up the country.

94. I believe that Dr Roger Chongwe is a reasonable man. It is not for the money that he sued. It is for admission that he was offended by the most popular but reckless government in Zambia’s history. A government elected by the people! It goes to show that demo-cracy can be crazy. Pluto and others did not advocate universal sufferage but merito-cracy. Only those in the know should vote. Anyway, that is beside the point.The principle is that no government should kill people willy nilly. Next time a policeman raises a gun to his shoulder to fire at innocent people he should think twice. If Chiluba did not authorise the shooting, he should have disciplined the officers who fired. Zambia needs an independent police complaints commission to stop this. Otherwise we ALL pay!

95. #80 Positivist
    I was referring to the last sentence in the article which reads: “Meanwhile, President Banda has reiterated his stance not to answer to the constant malicious and unfounded attacks by the media and his political enemies at the expense of providing leadership to the nation.”

96. SO, WHO’S TELLING THE TUTH-CHONGWE OR RB OR BOTH?

97. #95 peter
    In most cases, the truth rests with the minority…

98. I dont care about who is lying or not, fellow CITIZENS,these people are distracting our attention, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IMPROVING LIVING CONDITIONS.

    THIS ALL A SHOW… MEANTIME BILLIONS OF $$$$ ARE DISAPPEARING, true or false, the pipo are suffering!!!!???

99. # 39 and 41 The Truth….. Thank you for putting this debate into perspective.
    Any intelligent discussion of this issue should be based on #39 and #41…..Simples..!

100. #40 MRS CAPITALIST MULAICHUSHA!

101. #50 – THE SAINT: I think you need to swallow one additional vitamin than any Zambian, monkey urine, to help see the contradiction. Dr. Chongwe clearly stated in his comment that it was agreed by all the parties you have identified in your contribution on #50 above that he ought to be paid US$5.9million. Now, when the Post broke the story, Kanitundila got scared and backpeddled like he did over the saga between Aka and the Litunga. Visit today’s daily mail and you will see the nature of the scan we are dealing with here: http://www.zamnet.zm/newsys/news/viewnews.cgi?category=2&id=1260858451. I know Xmas is around the corner but to try to Santa Claus Chongwe with our money like this is satanic.

102. All president Bwezani Banda’s advisors and ministers know that he is a character prone to two things, saying some blue lies and then peddling in embarrassing lies to cover up lies. He is lazy and likes travelling a lot addressing useless meetings, half the time sleeping. Especially these days, one day on the Zambian political drama trail without some Bwezani cringe-inducing gaffe or blue lie is a rare blessing. Look at the Chongwe saga swirling around him and how he is fueling it with one lie after another while trying to extinguish the resultant inferno? If this is not a circus, then I do not know what is.

103. why do we have crooks as our leaders RB must resign he can not always continue to tell us lies why have such a low caliberpresident where are we going to no where

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