Zambia will next year go to a constitutional making referendum following the failure by the National Constitutional Conference (NCC) delegates to attain two thirds of the vote required to meets make the 50 percent plus one vote threshold be enshrined in the new constitution.
The NCC delegates yesterday voted to determine a final position on the proposed 50 per cent plus one vote threshold clause in the next constitution for a presidential candidate to win an election.
A total of 260 NCC delegates voted in favour of the 50 per cent plus one vote threshold while 184 delegates voted against. This was out of the total 446 voted cast. Four votes were rejected.
For the 50 percent plus one vote threshold to go through and be adopted for enshrining in the constitution, the NCC should have attained at least 297 votes out of the 446, which would have translated into a two third majority.[quote]
Electoral Commission of Zambia Commissioner, Joceline Mubita, who was the Returning Officer in the voting process, announced the results this evening at the Mulungushi International Conference Centre (MICC).
And NCC Chairperson, Chifumu Banda, said the outcome of the vote means that Zambia would go for a referendum to determine what would put in the next constitution in relation to what type of presidential election system.
“The two thirds threshold has not been attained. Therefore Zambia goes to a referendum next year,” he said. Mr. Banda thanked the delegates for voting.
Meanwhile, Chief Government spokesperson, Ronnie Shikapwasha said in an interview that it would be ideal for Zambia to maintain the current voting pattern of the simple majority rule.
Lieutenant General Shikapwasha, who is also Minister of Information and Broadcasting Services, said the 50 per cent plus one vote was not progressive for Zambia. He said this was instead a recipe for anarchy in Zambia, adding that this was the reason why Zimbabwe and Kenya rejected it.
He noted that the referendum was a costly process for Zambia and wondered where the government would source the funds from to conduct this exercise. However, the Patriotic Front (PF)-United Party for National Development (UPND) pact co-leader, Hakainde Hichilema said that the ruling Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD) should not use lack of money as an excuse.
Mr. Hichilema said Zambians had been advocating for the 50 percent plus one vote threshold for the past 20 years. He has since accused the MMD of blocking the efforts to have the 50 percent plus one vote threshold in the constitution to their advantage.
After the vote, NCC delegates and none delegates mainly from the opposition political parties went into jubilation saying the way of the referendum would be the best for Zambian to have the 50 percent plus one vote threshold in the new constitution. They said the next constitution will stand the test of time if the 50 percent plus one vote threshold is enshrined in it.
- An unidentified National Constitutional Conference delegate wait for her turn to cast a ballot during the 50+1 vote
Prior to voting, Sinazongwe UPND MP and NCC commissioner, Raphael Muyanda, raised a point of order on General Shikapwasha for allegedly influenced the direction of voting by distributing a document that contained messages concerning the 50 percent plus one vote threshold issue.
Mr. Muyanda laid the said document on the table in order for NCC Chairperson, Chifumu Banda to rule over and provide guidance to the august house. But dismissed Mr. Banda dismissed the point of order and ruled that all NCC delegate were accorded ample time to campaign.
He further advised that the document would not necessarily influence the vote because it was done under secret ballot. The MICC, where the NCC conducts its business from, was today heavily guarded by armed police.
Currently, Zambia is undergoing a fourth constitutional making process which is discussing for possible adoption the recommendations from the Willa Mung’omba Constitutional Review Commission (CRC) which was constituted about six year ago.
Other constitutional making processes were the Chona Commission in 1973, the Mwanakatwe Commission in 1991 and the Mvunga Commission of 1996. From independence in 1964 to 1991, Zambia had been using a First Past the Post system of electing a president. In 1991, the system was changed to 50 percent plus one vote threshold, which was however changed again in 1996 to revert to old system.
ZANIS
Hmmm, let me do the maths here. We needed 297 votes to win and we got 260 votes, This means 297 votes – 260 votes = 37 Votes of PF members and Catholics who boycotted the NCC!!
Dammn Dammmn Dammmn :((:((:((:((:((:((:(( Mr sata and your church your boycotting has cost us victory ..what do you say now???:-w:-w:-w:-w
Let me start the day by restating that again, vigilant citizens’s representatives have patriotically refused to subscribe to the agenda of micro-nationalism. This opposition party schism the country has witnessed is not only in the rank and file of PF kaponya party but now also engulfed the UPND political gladiators. Many PF and UPND pro-democracy progressives called rebels by their fascistic party leadership are now saying they cheerfully voted with the people on their people’s behalf. This is evidence enough that progressives will never agree on contending and complex political issues with the anachronistic political junks like Sata in self delusion that Zambia evolve around their insulting mindset.
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reason for this noticeable opposition fragmentation is because of Sata’s anachronistic politics of anti-democracy tyrannical leadership full of mental inability to see the big picture and embrace progressive national agenda and members that can take principled stand on issues such as the just unfolded politico-tragedic drama in the polity. Sata’s dependence of handicapped and none skilled cadres here who are ever insulting and amiss even on the identity of a simple person like me daily using unscrambled communication, is his liability.
It’s unfortunate that the few once well respected and erudite lawyers and impressionists like Given Lubinda then under late Anderson Mazoka now under the fascistic Sata have surprisingly taken dangerous and indefensible political stand that do not only run contrary to the people’s will on the constitution and the rule of law, but also negates the principle of due process, commonsense, fairplay, justice and equity for personality cult politics of shoving unstable man on a stable and sober citizenry.
This technically means the 50+1 will not be part of the new constitution clauses until the referendum is held and considered. In view of time and cost, it will only be resurrected after 2011 during the referendum. With certainty the 2011 elections will be conducted on the new constitution against the threats for Anarchy by Father Bwalya’s Die Zambia movement. This is the dual process of the law in a mature democracy driven by participation. This is forewarning to insulting clubs and hate spewing tabloids that there are no votes in insults.
Senior Citizen
I see that you are a man of letters and words indeed. I know you have had rough encounters with some of our cadres, but please don’t paint all people with one brush. Coming to the issue at hand, I think this is defeat for you camp. We wanted a referendum from the word GO and going there is success for us because we know the people want 50+1. I can see you and your MMD have now invoked plan B not to have a referendum because plan A has failed. You are now bring issues like there is no time, this will cost us money.
The issue is if you really love Zambia, you can do a noble thing and allow the 50+1 clause enshrined. This has been done before. Zambia needed a referendum to change to Multipatysim, but KK being wise did the right thing. Please do the same too.
I do not support 50%+1. It can cause anarchy in the nation and may possibly divide the people of this nation. The system we have right now is effective, efficient and the right way to go.
On another note, PF cadres, sympathizers, supporters, members and associates must not speak on any NCC matter. They refused to take part in it and should therefore shut it when it comes to NCC issues.
Citizens’ representatives from all walks of life who are on behalf of the very people whose constitutional making mandate they are carrying have voted by a democratic spread of
260 Votes against 50+1 Clause
184 Votes for
2 Votes spoils
#2-5 Senior (Traitor) Citizen. Your Mad Mandarax Dealers(MMD) say no to 50 +1 but at the same time say the vote can only go through if its 2/3s. Am sure if the pendulum was on your side you would have accepted the vote and put the 50+1 to rest for once and all. I wont say more because dealing with MMD on a level ground is just a pipe dream. You even ignore history just for a few coins. Any way I taank the pro 50+1 for a job well done. As for #1Papa J you are right, but kowing MMD they would have come up with some mad technicality to shoot down the people’s wishes
True PF Cadre,
Be magninymous enough to acknowledge the none issue driven allien politics of tribalism launched by Sata in 2006 and Ichilema after the untimely death of Mazoka.It is nothing but a recipe for anarchy and micro-nationalism through principless marriages of convenience.If you had an analytical mind you would be this simplistic.Applaud citizens’ representatives who have patriotically refused to subscribe to the agenda of micro-nationalism.
#11 Senior Citizen
DOn’t you think by rejecting the 50+1 system you are basically promoting the agenda of micro-nationalism that you so roundly condemn? Common sense tell you surely that a simple majority elected president cannot be a true representation of Macro-Nationalism agenda. How do you marry those two?
Whether you like it or not, this country will adopt the 50+1. You MMD cadres can sing all you want. You are wasting your time!
Chi Senior Citizen why are you telliing lies when facts are there for everyone to see. Your camp did not get 260 but 180. The pro 50+1 are the ones who got 260 and missed the 21/3s majority by 30 votes. Grow up!!!
True PF Cadre,
How i wish you had a conscious to uphold instead of applauding insults. Insults only manifest intellectual deliquency and distance from a intellectual engagement.FYI, i’m not bothered by insults showered on me by PF kaponyas because by all dimension i’m above that.Your conclussion that i’m having a tough time at the hands of insulting PF kaponya is own myth.I challenge PF kaponyas to engage me on constitutional, economic, fiscal/monetary and public policy,democracy, and issue driven politics, there will be none.
50% +1 Doesnt favour or disadvantage anyone, its simply a waste bof resources and time. majority rule is simply not attainable because the voters themselves are in the minority. 3m registerd voters against 13m people. Assuming 50% are below Voting age then the voting group would be 7m, add voter aparthy and Jehovas witnesses you end up with only about 1.7m voters and 50% +1 of that becomes about 850 thousand votes for the winner. How can that be majority rule ” Gorvenment of the people by the people and for the people” Lets us clarify this cleary, its not majority rule it should be called Majority Voters rule.Why do people want to complicate things for nothing? If you cant win by simple majority how then wouold you win by more than 50%?
#15 Senior Citizen
Please talk to me. Answer my question in post #12. I am True PF Cadre, I don’s insult people and I have not Insulted you. Look at my posts. I just asked you a simple question and please answer.
Let me also add here that the numbers you are quoting are not correct. It is the pro group that had 260. And because of a best threshold system, you can live to see another day of this debate. If it was simple majority, our camp would have won. All we are asking for is the same system to be used for presidency and how is that an insult to you. I really don’t get it. Educate me please.
The fact that the referendum will come in after 2011, it gives the country time and Golden opportunity to viciously destroy engines and elements of tribalism wherever they are emerging.By 2016 Generational change election when tribalists will be thinking of retrying their 5th attempt of elections, they will have a 50+1 clause enacted period.
surprising that bloggers have these numbers all mixed up! Read again please!
If we continue the way we are going our children will not forgive us. Instant solutions are not good. Can some one give us the 50% +1 we have been asking for in all our submission. How can # 16 state that its a waste of resources when we have been spending alot of other resources during the previous constitution review commission submission. Please spare us our childrens future before they insult us. Be responsible ba MMD
True PF Cadre # 17,
Since you are dependent on the typo in the LT Honcho report, i refer you to trust the tabloid reporting considering that you live on them are Sata’s embattled image builder needlessly.
Fifty per cent plus one clause to be decided in national referendum (Post Newspapers)
“Delegates at the National Constitution Conference failed to raise the required two thirds majority to decide whether the 50 per cent plus one clause should be included in the new constitution resulting to the matter being referred to a public vote in a national referendum” Quote.
“This was resolved after those supporting the clause polled 184 votes and those opposed managed to get 260 votes with the total vote being 446” end quote from the Post.
True PF Cadre # 17,
Tell me what this means if you have done english comprehension.
NSPECTOR General of Police Francis Kabonde, if I called you a dog, I’ll actually be insulting the poor animal. Even a hyena can be accepted in society. Wuli Chililomba!!!!!!!
# 19 Ba Moze,
I request our selfless good friends the LT Honchos to correct this typo in the filed report.The Post and i share results below:
260 Votes against 50+1 Clause
184 Votes for
2 Votes spoils
This technically means the 50+1 will not be part of the new constitution clauses until the referendum is held and considered. In view of time and cost, it will only be resurrected after 2011 during the referendum. With certainty the 2011 elections will be conducted on the new constitution against the threats for Anarchy by Father Bwalya’s Die Zambia movement. This is the dual process of the law in a mature democracy driven by participation. This is forewarning to insulting clubs and hate spewing tabloids that there are no votes in insults.
# 17,
Tell me where and how i have lied on this?
NCC majority oppose 50 +1
TWO hundred and sixty delegates to the National Constitutional Conference (NCC) yesterday voted against the 50 per cent plus one clause on the election of the president while 184 voted in support of the provision.
Although those against prevailed they did not garner the two thirds majority required resulting in the matter being refereed to a referendum.
#17 Senior Citizen
OK I have not read the post and surprising that you prefer it over your MMD ZANIS, the threshold system save whoever on the day , but anyway how about my point in #12, By the way you keep insulting me and my party and let people judge you insults the most today on this thread
Meanwhile allowances for NCC delegates continue!! I wonder whether we will have a new constitution by the time of elections next year. Why not have the Referendum later this year??
One of these days this simple majority which Government has fallen on love with will come and bite them. These tribal calculations they like making will one day backfire not withstanding the cheating.
Can someone tell me why the referendum would be held next year and not this year because the NCC sittings are ending in less than four months.
#29 it is just MMD’s plan B to avoid the 50+1 being put in the constitution. These guys will stop at nothing to perpetuate the system of allowing the minority to rule the majority.
At least I am proud of my country’s democracy shown on this issue. We have lived in harmony 73 tribes all together and thanks to KK and his Humanism. I hope the people’s voice will be heard on this issue, if people want 50+1, give them, its their money, why shd MMD be sooooooooo prudent with the money on such an issue, when they waste more more daily on costs like cellphone, fuel, corruption, etc. So, if the people want 50+1 rule for the 2011 election, let it be so. Money issues aside.
I believe that democracy comes with a cost, democracy is very expensive! Holding a referendum in itself is a costly venture, but that is democracy. I support 50%+1 clause because this will make the govt of the day to be more accountable to the electorates. In fact, I am very certain that if this clause is included in our next constitution, we’ll be changing Govts every 5yrs. One would really need to work hard to win a second term. Going by the pattern of voting since 2001 where a combined opposition votes have always been above 50%, opposition will always be carrying the day.
To hell with this chi poor country,nothing positive can come out of this cursed land.Am happy by June i will have nothing to do with the nonsense:-w:-w:-w:-w
@33, Wanzelu
Take it easy man, it’s our country! I understand your frustrations. It’s just that many of those charged with the responsibility to lead this country have selfish motives. Unfortunately I don’t see this trend coming to any end in foreseeable future, may be after this generation.
Senior citizen, you are mediocre, you views are mediocre and the people you are representing are mediocre. The people have said. They want 50+1. Period. Here you go with your fake Reverand Shikapwasha talking of no money. For crying out loud, its not his or your money. Its our money will shall use for our constitution.
Kwena ba NCC mwalitumpa!!!!!!!!!! especially shikapwasha
We have spent alot of taxpayer money on the NCC and yet we are going to spend even more on the referendum. Hospitals have no medicines, poor infrustructure and yet FAT MINISTERS, VERY FAT.
Now PF IS EATING ITS OWN SH*^&% , they should have in the first place been able to take this 50+1 thingy forward if they had been part of the process , am sure they are regreting. How will they ever giong to represent the common man as they claim if they cant even give a vote to make the constitution making process more meaningful by full representation. Mr Sata i have always wanted to suport you but on this one you have boobed. I was also saddened to hear that you are threatening to Zambianise once in poweer, please be careful becasue whtaever u say has implications for the wouldbe investors
This is not progressive considering the fact that people want a popular president; this is why a minority president will always have problems to rule. People wake up in the referendum we should go for 50 +1 . Abash Shikapwasha and your group. Sate you have also contributed to this mess
They say if you keep doing something the same way you will get the same result. We need change and change is the way to go.
The proponents of simple majority, why cant it be used at this stage. Why only 2/3 to pass it?
“A total of 260 NCC delegates voted in favour of the 50 per cent plus one vote threshold while 184 delegates voted against. This was out of the total 446 voted cast. Four votes were rejected.”-Lusaka Times and Zambian Watchdog.
“A total of 446 votes were cast, and of these 186 voted for the clause while 260 voted against. There were two votes rejected.”-The Post and ZNBC TV. Could we be furnished with correct and accurrate information. LT, this is a very volatile topic and bloggers would certainly appreciate accurate information as it may just change their perception and direction of blogging! Check your facts before posting! We are on this site exchanging views based on what you feed us, much as we all know that the 50%+1 has been referred to the referrendum. Whatever it is?
The NCC commissioners have failed us again due to their lack of foresight and meaning we have to go for a referendum in 2011 which will not be possible due to huge amount involved. So the general elections will be held under the current electrol system a president winning by a simple majority. The likes of Ronnie who are comparing the Kenya and Zimbabwe situations are not being sincere and are a danger to democracy. We need to cultivate a system of good governance coz by making comparisons we are going backwards to WAMUYAYAYA Days of super Ken. What Ronnie and the likes of Mike are forgetting is that MMD will not be in power forever but Zambia will be there whether they like it or not. Let us make laws that will stand the test of time. To the commissioners one day the NCC will come to end
Can L T confirm their figures as to who got the majority vote. ?
most of the chaps are sellouts and useless..how do u subject a clause to a vote when its already in the draft?
The fact is RB has always been a very dull Individual. He is a naturally a dull person who coupled with his age has become worse. By his standards the guy really tries and is working very hard, but that’s not the level we’ve looking at in the 21st Century. The only problem is that he can’t function in this ERA!!!!! His level of thinking and understanding is from the 1960’s, and that’s where it ought to remain.
At 184 votes, that’s quite an achievement inside the NCC, more so that no PF or the Catholics are there. It now comes back to the people. Tulebafulula bakabwa, we should now start pushing for the referendum to be this year!! It’s not RB’s money to be used but my money as a Tax Payer!! Let’s all collective start pressing for the referendum THIS YEAR!!!
:d stuff in Zed
It is very sad to hear people on this blog putting the blame on MMD. The grat blame should go to parties and institutions like PF, CCZ, Bakatolika and many more who boycotted this noble task. Most of these people say RB has abandoned Levy’s “Legacy” but this NCC is his “Legacy”. The people that pretend to represent us they actually dont do that. Why are they commenting now about what has come out of a body they rubbished? Talking about the 50+1 clause and the way the opposition takes it. It is surprising that people think if i voted for Miyanda and he comes third then it follows I will vote for the opposition in the re-run NO NO NO. I will subject the two to my scrutin and standards of my prefered candidate and if non does not even much to the minimum standards I will not even…
Why is my comment awaiting moderation! A paste and copy of your results! Doesn’t make sense! That’s boo sheet!! I was just rightfully asking for the accurate result on the elections and for you to make verification before you post anything! And now you are verifying your own vomit! God forbid! Is it that you also now advocating to be included on the Presidential trips so that you can fatten your wallets?
It is proving too dangerous for you your emotions aside. Kindly, take interest in constitutional law to appreciate the constitutional making process.A referendum is not a thing you just dream about and say its due tomorrow.
In the same vein understand political mechanism spare you from these dreams.Please stop flattering yourself out of ignorance, it is impractical to bring up a multi-billion Kwacha referendum in 2011 not ignoring the fortcoming census and tripartite elections concurrently.
Could you cut this and use it to vindicate me in 2011 should the miracle of referendum earlier than Decision 2011 happens?
I repeat, though the referendum is coming up only after 2011, the debate continues with hope that the big headed who think fundamental national matters would evolve around their boycots, ego and insulting commands, humbly engage themselves in intelligent debates and play a role in the referendum this time.
Who got what. Times of Zambia is reporting the opposit to Lusaka Times. Times of Zambia are saying the majority opposed 50+1 while Lusaka times says the majority was for. Zambia Daily mail is silent. As if nothing happened. The Post says the majority was opposed. LT, shame on your reporting
48# …..” The grat blame should go to parties and institutions like PF, CCZ, Bakatolika and many more who boycotted this noble task” and …….1#
“Hmmm, let me do the maths here. We needed 297 votes to win and we got 260 votes, This means 297 votes – 260 votes = 37 Votes of PF members and Catholics who boycotted the NCC!!”
Total delegates to NCC is 495 . 446 VOTED SIMPLE MATHS suggests that 49 WERE absent so lets assume the absent 49 wud have voted for 50 +1. u have 184+49=233 against 260 who voted against the proposal.So with or without the pepo who boycotted 50+1 would not have passed.
Good Morning
This is getting interesting. For a while, I thought the NCC provided the only opportunity for the opposition parties to participate in the process of constitutional review? Now that they have failed to agree, here comes the Referendum. We can only hope that this one goes down more smoothly and does not lead to more tension between the political and the civil society. We need peace and political stability in Zambia – it is our biggest blessing.
Pro 50+1 camp, lets keep calm. This is a temporal setback. What did you expect when most of those commissioners are bootlickers. Just a matter of time.
To hell with the 50+1 nonsence.which zambians have spoken that they need it.who consulted who? As far as am concerned no b itch or d ick came to seek my opinion about it.so am against it it is a recipe of chaos.bravo shikapwasha and the tandem of the no voters.zambia has a future in you.
Correction, 2 Ballot papers were rejected as opposed to 4 in the article above. Let us give correct figures.
Akapondo
Wa ba imbolo.
Gentle men and ladies on LT, have noticed and error on Times and Daily mail on how they have reported the results in oposite. Times and Daily have reported that 260 voted against the clause and 184 voted for the clause. Please advise which result is correct?
I want to agree with people who are saying that it is morally wrong for Mr Sata to comment on the issues which are discussed in the NCC for simple reason. PF refused to participate in the process with their Mother Church. Now that good things are coming from NCC why should Mr. Sata open his mouth now. He must put a Zip and close his big mouse. Thats why I doubt how the Pact can work with parties have differrent aproaches on national issues. Imagine if PF MPs with their label MPS voted in this process the results could have been…
Akapondo # 56. This is the true essence of Democracy, and more so the reason why we’re not seeking for 100%, but mearly 50%+1. This is in order to accomodate not just yourself but 48 other Zambians that are of your opinion out of a total of 100. We shall get 50%+1, with or without MMD! Zambia is our land and that’s what the majority (not all Zambian’s) are saying. Thats the true essence of democracy.
Ok,now the boat will sink even deeper making the 90 day economic miracle a nightmare which is not bad for Zambia.As for UPND,they should re-organise the party in good time for 2016 cos its almost impossible to beat RB on the simple majority threshold.This is the harsh reality.However,the good news is the referendum may carry a YES vote and 2016 may see a progressive opposition into power.
Senior Sitizen ###### Why do you always oppose what your friends in PF camp suggest? May be you have some qualities. Because same caliber people do not agree on each other.
What people are asking for is have a presido elected by 50+1 total cast votes. Forget about the money would be spent, last time you were supporting the payment to R. Chongwe and recent payment to G.Kunda law firm. At first I thouht you are a genuine blog Kanshi you only write in defend your party. Mind this site its not only for you politicians. Please write to Educate and analizy issues
Cursed is Zambia and its inhabitants for they shall never see development in anyway. Happay are those Zambians in the diaspora for they shall always enjoy the fruits of development of the western world where people enjoy life. This is what you get from selfish and dul.l leaders like Shikapwasha and Mulongoti.
I wonder why the voting conducted by the NCC was not itself a simple majority, but two-thirds majority. It means this NCC, and parliament too, understands that a majority vote must be really convincing, i.e. minimum of 50% for it to be convincing. Clearly, people are not sincere with their conscience!!!:)>-
senior citizen you are correct this is from Times and I quote ‘TWO hundred and sixty delegates to the National Constitutional Conference (NCC) yesterday voted against the 50 per cent plus one clause on the election of the president while 184 voted in support of the provision. ‘
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What has alluded most Zambians all these years is that governments will come and governments will go but society will always remain. Today your pay master will be Rupiah Banda, tomorrow will be Sata. What should be important is whether these people can be easily removed when they stray! That is our only insurance and these people from NCC just threw that away just like they did on the powers of the executive to borrow money. God help us!
Jesus took Zambia’s curse on the cross of calvary that Zambia should be blessed.
who are these 187 and who do they represent!
“A total of 260 NCC delegates voted in favour of the 50 per cent plus one vote threshold while 184 delegates voted against. This was out of the total 446 voted cast. Four votes were rejected.”-Lusaka Times and Zambian Watchdog.
“A total of 446 votes were cast, and of these 186 voted for the clause while 260 voted against. There were two votes rejected.”-The Post and ZNBC TV. Could we be furnished with correct and accurrate information. LT, this is a very volatile topic and bloggers would certainly appreciate accurate information as it may just change their perception and direction of blogging! Check your facts before posting! We are on this site exchanging views based on what you feed us, much as we all know that the 50%+1 has been referred to the referrendum. Whatever it is?
ok bafi…..ka iyo yenu fye!
Dont be too excited about the referendum. Many Zambian voters may not understand what this 50+1 is all about. Remember that there are many more people in rural areas than in urban areas. People may end up making the referendum political. And that will change the dynamics.
In general the 50+1 may not be so good for Zambia. We may end up with coalistion governments which are rarely stable. Look at the PACT, that’s what you may get, now in govt. The UPND and PF rarely agree on anything sensible, other than removing MMD from power.
Besides a re-run can make voters vote for the party or person they didnt vote for initially. E.g some disgruntled UPND could vote for an MMD and not a PF candidate. Or not vote at all again.
Also you need a peaceful environment.
#64 Kambongolo
Why have you cursed Zambia and Zambians? We have relatives in Zambia right now. May be the curses should follow you wherever you go so that you can see that they are bad. Know that when you curse something or someone that God has blessed, the curses will come back to you. Check your life.
Until we make corruption illegal in deeds and make politicians aware of the consequences, which should include life in jail, this sort of thing will continue happening. And by us I mean the ordinary people! And be aware that there is a general belief in the west to expect rubbish from African Leaders that is why the donors will never raise a finger when this happens. Have you ever wondered why donor will keep funding a government that steals from its people but threaten to stop funding the minute it attacks gays for example? To disenfranchise a population is equally a human right abuse but that is to be expected (according to the donors) if it is an African leader doing it. Our politicians will never see this!
Lack of consequences breed mediocrity
:d/:d/ The will of the Zambians on this issue will prevail. :)>-:)>-
It would be cheaper for the same ncc delegates to go for a second round of voting, instead of taking the all country to a referendum.Time has already been wasted and nothing still coming out of the ncc.Just go for the second round of voting, the results wont be the same.
mmd do not want 50+1 because the think the can easily stop sata to win. The think the can easily manipulate votes in their favour. They will regret this action.Sata will more likely to win with simple majority than with 50%+1
Imwe, who is correct? LT says:A total of 260 NCC delegates voted in favour of the 50 per cent plus one vote threshold while 184 delegates voted against. This was out of the total 446 voted cast. Times and Post are saying: 186 voted for the clause while 260 voted against. This is really poor reporting pa Zed. Very misleading and confusing.
gentle Zambian, surely if rogue states like Zim, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia etc are doing 50 + 1, why are we still rejecting it. Lets be fair.
simple majority is only supported by those it has fraudulently helped to get into power. if anything they should just declare interest and exclude themselves from this debate or else we should investigate their dealing in past elections. we need to move a step forward. even the vote on 50% + 1 is not by simple majority but by attainment of at least two thirds majority. wake up.
Few years ago zambians demanded for the Constituent and the MMD government refused to listen to the peoples demand. MMD pushed for CRC.CRC did its work of which the outcome was in favour of us (zambians) not the MMD. the MMD brought in their plan B (NCC) in order to manipulate us. Fellow zambians its hight we worked as one through the pact so that we can remove MMD. it has done more harm than good to the people of zambia.
50%+1vote will not make the politicians more accountable. That’s the sad fact. With zed’s meager resources, I would prefer a parliamentary elected president in case no candidate manages the 50%+1vote. Think of it this way; you all belong to the working class/middle class bracket right? Imagine all the 50%+1vote comes from the poor folks whose economic contribution to the country is negligible. Would you all be any happier? 🙂