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PF Leader Michael Sata
Kalulushi Patriotic Front Aspiring Member of Parliament Kenny Siachisumo has condemned the National Constitution Conference(NCC) delegates for voting in favour of the clause which says only degree holder should be allowed to stand as presidential candidates.

Mr. Hachisumo told the Zambia News and Information Service in an interview in Lusaka today.

He said leadership is God given and that it does not take one to be a degree holder to rule the country well.

He said as far as he is concerned, Patriotic Front President Mr Michael Sata has got a degree in Political Science he obtained in London and that it is not a crime if he has not availed his degree to any one as he is going to do so at an appropriate time and to the relevant authority not anyhow because professional documents are secretive.

“You see, when you have some papers, you don’t go in the street announcing to every one that you have such papers”, said Mr Hachisumo.

He said the Patriotic Front leader Michael Chilufya Sata is going to stand as a presidential candidate in the forth coming tripartite elections scheduled for 2011.

The NCC recently adopted a clause for a degree for aspiring presidential candidate, a move that has disheartened sections of society.

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249 COMMENTS

  4. actions speaks louder than words, President Obama does not go about bragging how many degrees he’s got one can see by his actions that he is a very cultured man. In Zed kuti nabakulu ma savage who like to get everything by force!!!

  6. #3 It looks the Pact will adopt 2 candidates for President then people will choose whom they want, going by what is happening in the pact. My prayer is that the best will carry the day.

  7. # 4 you r sooo right. If Obama was in zed you would have seen how much he would have been insisting on being called professor! The qualifications are there to just make one earn a living they do not make anyone more intelligent than the next person

  8. Abakali tabalanda, unlike those chaps too obssesed with titles that they will go to all lengths to include things like MSc,MA,LLM,MBA,BSc,phd …to their names…ha ha bola panshi.

  9. Kubika mudala B.Sc, M.Sc ,ACCA/CIMA, LLM,MBA pantu ebola ! Sata uyo na BA Political Science.
    Ask FTJ, you will see papers and papers bearing several names and qualifications plus bu Political engineer !

  10. Sata must either be doing an online degree right now and I believe by the time the educations are due, he should have graduated with an ordinary degree.

    By the way, when are the NCC recommendations going to be made into law? It seems people are already acting as though the NNC recoms. have been made into law. As things stand, the 2011 elections are likely to be based on the current old consitution.

  11. He has a degree yet he still can not analyse issues? If he indeed does have a degree will PF supporters still scream about descriminating those Zambians who are not degree holders. I recall when the election results came in 2006 and 2008 people blaming the MMD victory on illiterate villagers and yet the same people now seem to want any illiterate to have access to plot 1.

  12. No 11 Shimwalule…… I think you are not much exposed to higer education dear. People who are educated like where I am now do not show off. We have great proffesors whom you cant know that they are coz they dont want to be called by that title. No one is called Dr or Pr as a name.They all mingle freely with people with low education. You only come to know who they are when you come accross their achievements. This is how it should be, not you silent degree holders looking down upon those with no degrees. It just shows how dull you guys are!!:o:o:o:o:o

  13. Rily! Thats gud news then , but am informed the old man dint go beyond grade 8, how did he get enroled4 a degree? Next clause wil tok of a presido candidate needing to have all 32 teeth(is it?) present in the mouth. Original ones, not artificial, or ability to prove musculinity by havin atlst a pair of twins

  14. Good Evening

    The man has his credentials, where are yours? What’s the problem with some bloggers? Always trying to belittle the man’s integrity.

  15. OOH! So the man must be very educated! Why has he not been mentioning it all along? I hope it is not from Matero! At least I know how educated our President is. Was it A+, B, or C degree?

  18. #12 What exactly is the point you are trying to make? Perhaps I should make things easier for you to understand. My point is the hypocricy surrounding this degree clause from PF supporters. When you lose elections you blame it on illiterate villagers. Infact, there was even somebody who suggested that villagers should not be given the right to vote. When the clause is suggested, the same people who were calling villagers illiterate suddenly dont want to ‘discriminate’ against anybody. Do you get what I am saying?

  19. Sata is married to a medical doctor. I am sure she would have given him some motivation to develop himself. Even Kafupi managed to get an MSc from Warwick University.

  20. HIS DEGREE MUST BE CERTIFIED (if any)- hard luck for satana and pls kindly hold your party convention to show that you are prepared to allow democratic tendences within the party.

  22. i told you that chi Sata chali joba, you didn’t want to listen.

  23. #18 – You have been answered very well at #13. Your reasoning is poor. Trying to insist on the same standard for voters and the candidates is not the issue here. These are independent variables/standards and each has to be looked at separately. Do not confuse issues and try to sound smart.

    Bottomline – a degree is not an essential qualification for a president!

  28. #19.Is it strange for kamalasha to marry a professor! The fact that a Kamalasha is married to a professor does not make a kamalasha a professor! Which school did Sata go to? At least I know all former students from all the universities in the world through internet archive

  29. #18 Shimwalule

    You are right i for one dont see anything wrong with the clause it should encourage family to push there children for higher education. If it where in a developed country if this clause was introduced at this stage no one would make that much noise because for starters not every tom dick and harry stands for president my god even Bush was educated for someone who run the US economy down.

    Its only a clause to those complaining, i think they are just justifying my thought, that Zambians always want something for free. You think you can seat in your house for most of your life and come out 1 day and become president just like that… only in Africa

  30. As a progressive society i think its essential that our leaders have higher education. Once again we as Zambians are aiming low by saying all we want is a good leader – NO – we need to set a standard and say we want a brilliant leader who is also educated.

  31. Is there any difference btw Hachisumo and Siachisumo? Help know who said what.
    We are able to blog because we understand the value and magnitude of education. There is no need for us to urgue and debate on the value of having a well informed nd educated president. That clause is fine and must be well spelt so that people know and understand its value and focus.
    Thinking happens in one’s language and therefore education added to a wide vision on knowledge will help us deal with reality. “Umwaana ashenda atasha nyina uku naya”

  32. People people people, how can sata who has no O-levels enrol for a degree? The PF insiders are telling us that he has degree just to blind people while they cock for him.

    Here is where they will catch him, the clause says from a “recognised” university. This means an accrediated university /listed in the commonwelth year book and there is NO university of such standing that can enroll a person without O levels for a Degree.

    Sata should just fight that this clause does not become law otherwise he will be done. So all of you believing that he has a degree are just proving how shallow you are. I dont like this clause but I cant believe that sata has a degree. Warwick wont work! I hope the PACT has a proper strategy otherwise kaya mama!

  34. #29. U are 100% right. That is the reason why there is evening classes. Those who think they would get into power through monkey tricks and bullying will never sit on that warm sit. They will always be saved with stools. No sofa will ever find their way to their silhouette. We need President who understand economy; we need a president who understand both human and industrial psychology; We need an Educated President who can defend and emphasize with the Zambians, not through being told and pretend as if they are the manufacturers of points at hand. We need the president who can address UNZA students! Come on Zedians!

  35. It is a puzzle as to why people are arguing about the president having a degree. Presidency is a job just like any other public office. Why should not the president be qualified with an undergrad degree? Why not? It will bring us more proud as a country. Why don’t we do that and have the right people in all public offices?
    The world has significantly changed and it takes more than mere leadership these days to be a good president. I think as Zambian, are slow to lean from the past. Our past tells us that our economy suck because of lack of human capital, gross mismanagement, lack of economic diversification and the failure of our economy to adjust to the global trends. I think we will greatly do service to ourselves by having the presidency with an undergrad. It is easy to see that…

  36. #18 Shimwalule….you have a good point! Some people supporting sata are slowly becoming like him…no coherence….one day they blame the illiterate vilaggers for failing to analyse issues hence voting for RB then the following day they want one of those illiterates in the name of Sata to rule the country….what logic are they using. If this is what it means to be a PF supporter, then I dont want to be one!

    NCC, should not just end at this clause, we need mandatory presidential debates, strong sytems that a president cant manupilate….

  37. I know the feer is that maybe there will further qualify that it should be a BA in Economics, BCom, or BSc Management Studies, BA Public Admin, then ba BSc BEng Chemical etc will be cut off. Is that wht people are fearing?

  39. when uneducated DCs were appointed we complained that they did not deserve those offices, when uneducated cadres were appointed as PSs we carried that they dont understand the ministries, when ministers without proper credentials are appointed we moan that there is nothing they are doing BUT when it comes to the boss of the DCs, PSs and Ministers, someone wants a person without any education….kupena or ninshi?

  40. And by the way, how do you do a degree minus a certificate of grade 12. Has the education system changed in UK? Whaaao

  41. # 37 Assistant MMD Chief Boot Licker, I dont support MMD and your alaabee coz he donsent inspire confidence…..but your posts have a point!

  42. #s 27 to 34:

    You all do not seem to get the point. What we need in a president is the best mix of qualities. Formal education is one of the qualities, but the minimum standard to produce a good leader does not have to be a degree. Looking at leadership worldwide and people who have made it, general education (grade 12) should suffice as a minimum. Thereafter, the voters decide who has the best mix of qualities. If you have a degree, that is an advantage on one quality but what matters is your total mix of qualities. Sell yourself well and the voters will decide. If degree holders are confident of themselvees, there is no need to fear those without degrees by imposing irrational minimum standards. Btw, I have my degrees and am confident of myself.

  45. ”A nation with graduate road sweepers has got nothing to be proud of ” words of KK in Letter to My Children. Therefore a poverty stricken nation with a graduate president has got nothing to be proud of….

  46. @ #40
    Assistant MMD Chief Boot Licker

    There is ati mature with experience like MBA some Unis will take people in positions relevant to there studies and should be of a certain age. The positions should be big ones ie manager etc or in this case a minister would qualify to study without other qualifications

  47. #44 – Sata has at least “O” levels done via correspondence. A number of people of his era who held public offices eventually did this. But, I am also inclined to believe that he went on and acquired his degree as he has stated. Chikwakwa degrees do not take much and Sata can easily succeed. If you have held so many senior offices, what challenge can a chikwakwa degree pose? I am not a PF supporter but a mere realist.

  48. # 47, its a pity that this clause cant be discussed without bringing sata in the picture and thats where most people are losing objectivity. With or without this clause, Sata is a wrong one for presidency

  49. Having said all the bla bla bla bla….surely a degree is not too much to ask froma would be president. Our president is not ceremonial, he is executive and you cant have a chief executive of a country who cant grasp issues. The reason why corruption was rampant in chiluba’s time was partly that he could not understand anything that his educated juniors where doing. For a moment do you think Chiluba understood what late Penza was talking about with his micro and macro economics issues???? Our companies were sold for a song because the head of state was lost…..

  50. Lekeni ifyabupuba mwensenshi mwe! Who told you that a degree makes a fine president? In fact some of the worst atrocities committed by man against fellow man were and are still perpetuated by the so called degreed presidents. If the star is upon Sata, he will become the next president whether all of you ‘educated ignorant’ like it or not. The ‘educated fools’ at the NCC have adopted a silly degree clause instead of the 50% +1 and you cannot see the danger in that! It means Zambia is perpertually condemned to poverty, corruption, inneptitude and all the social and economic malaise synonimous with the MMD. Change is innevitable if we are to progress!

  51. The degree issue lives on……..[-(….

    # 11 Shimwalule are you implying that the attainment of an academic degree guarantees that one has developed an ability to analyse issues ….?…. I may have misunderstood u , ……but i don’t think it does. ..Yes , a degree should help one to better analyse issues in the particular field of study , but it is not a guarantee of intelligence . Intelligence is in the genes…whether one is literate or illiterate.
    …You can find both smart and dumb among non degree holders just as you can find both smart and dumb among degree holders.

  52. # 42 vision…..I fully agree….let the people pick the best man or woman . Do not pick for them nor limit their choices…..
    ..This clause could never pass a proper referendum.

  53. This is good for Sata, i am happy that he meets the requirements. But when did he go for studies? There is no university that admits candidates for first degrees if they have not finished grade 12 or high school.

    Maybe we were all wrong, the NCC did not mean to block Sata from standing. But he should know that this degree will be investigated and maybe our secrete service is already in London confirming if this is true.**==

  54. COMING TO THINK OF IT, WHY WERE PF SUPPORTER INCLUDING OFFICIALS COMPLAINING AND CRYING ABOUT THE INTRODUCTION OF THE DEGREE IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RECE IF SATA HAS A DEGREE? I am starting to think the man has no degree. Anyway, his former course-mates will come out.**==

  55. If he has this degree, what is the fuss? Then he should have been happy that the NCC has voted for this clause. But I am not happy because disfranchising on the basis of education that is only attainable by a few is just not right.

  56. Otherwise, did Mr Sata get his degree from the best unza in Zambia? There is no unza like Matero university in the whole world. It has first class criminology graduates, teachers, mechanics and others. To graduate as a mechanic you must strip a car in seconds. In politics you must have thrown a stone or ‘pangared’ some political opponents. If he got his degree from Matero, hats off to him or should I say gowns off!

  57. There is no better qualifications than one(s) from a UK Uni(s). Well-Done Sata. After all, most of the GRZ officials/employee have only diplomas (National Diplomas – not Higher National Diploma) which are only equivalent to 3 ‘A’ Levels (sometimes not even good grades) which also popularly known/called NVQs (National Vocational Qualifications) an entry point (sometimes) to an undergraduate programme in the UK.

  59. Does any one know if Mr.Kavindele has a degree? I want to vote for Mr Kavindele, he is the only one who possess the business acumen that i admire. The big man has been comfortable for a long time. We don`t want people who used to live in abject poverty yesterday and today they want to be presidents. They end up stealing when they get to State house like that guy from Chifubu.

  60. #54…:d:d his former course mates will come out :d:d the NCC should just have said a president shall be a person whose sir name has more than 4 letters….that would have missed alaaabee by one but the Sata would have been saying his name is Sataz just to be elligible….:d:d

  61. #59, Kavindele is the Bill Gates of Zambia….he droped out at Evelyn Hone or so I hear…..the last time I checked, he didnt have a deg.

  62. Most modern universitie do admit individuals without minimum qualifications via mature entry route or through prior learning etc. In developed/advanced countries like the UK where I work and live, everyone is given a chance to proceed or progress academically. The problem with the Zambian education system is being old/outdated and needs upgading. A top-up degree in the UK takes only 12 months but could take between 2 to 3 years in Zambia. The other problem with the Zambian (my country) educational system is that, modules/subjects are not graded (Credit Value e.g 30 at level 1,2 or 3) so it is very difficult to compare with other international qualification. For instance, Nortec, Evelyn Hone etc college qualifications in the UK are compared to A levels and not Higher National Diploma.

  63. No honorary degrees, says Chifumo Banda
    The National Constitutional Conference (NCC) has clarified that only university degrees obtained through academic studying will be admissible for one to stand as president of Zambia.

    NCC chairperson Chifumu Banda made the clarification Tuesday afternoon during the ongoing deliberations.

    Banda said that honorary degrees will not be acceptable.

    He said only degrees obtained by attending lectures or by correspondence will be considered.

  64. Read the whole constitution before burning in vanity flattering embattled chaps. Speaking or posting misleading articles based on abstracts is synonymous with armchair criticism predominant among failures.The returning offer in the Presidential elections constitutionally is and will be the national Chief Justice not kaponyas like this Kenny Siachisumo, Mbenga, Lubinda, Kambwili, Jean Kapata, Mumbi, Nsanda, Kabimba or these PF online trolls.The chief Justice will decide whether to take in a forgery or not after the forensic unit examines the Degree transcripts by credit not honorary.

  65. The new inclusive constitution is very detailed for every citizen. Under it the electoral process requires that aspirants present their nomination papers with the returning officer who in the case of Presidential nominations is the Chief Justice of the country. In doing so, under the proposed law, one of the requirements for the returning officer to accept a presidential candidature will be evidence that the applicant holds a degree from a recognized university.Bachelors, Masters or Doctorate no problem as long as it is transcripted degree with all credit hours verifiable.

  66. The verification process will be costless to the state and those with clouds on this must turn their degrees with the Chief Justice early to beat the nomination hurdles that could result in extrusion

  67. In completion of its mandated work, the NCC is leaving this constitution in the enactment stage before coming law by the current parliament. Again as regards the degree clause, Zambian Professional credentialing bodies will examine, evaluate the four year credentialing college degree conferred with transcripted credit hours on file.

  68. All degree plan credit prerequisites being standardized curriculum in a given program a University has set up as basis of conferring a degree its Graduates in given discipline. It’s an international norm to do transcript evaluation. If it’s a History degree, transcripts must be ordered and show the credit hours earned and credited for that degree program per standard requirement. They will then recommend to the Judiciary on credential authenticity.

  69. I have just received copy of the NCC constitution due for parliament. The new constitution being enacted by this seating Parliament is very clear on the constitutionally admissible degree the retaining officer who is the Chief Justice will take. It says the degree should be from a four year recognized University and not Matero or honorary but transcripted. Forensic experts will look at Sata’s degree and evaluate his four degree transcript credits hours.

  71. MAKE HAY BEFORE THE SUN SHINES,STOP FANTASIZING BECAUSE THIS CONSTITUTION IS A SERIOUS NATIONAL DOCUMENT THAT WILL NEVER BEND TO AN INDIVIDUAL

    Read the whole constitution before burning in vanity flattering embattled chaps. Speaking or posting misleading articles based on abstracts is synonymous with armchair criticism predominant among failures.

    The returning offer in the Presidential elections constitutionally is and will be the national Chief Justice not kaponyas like this Kenny Siachisumo, Mbenga, Lubinda, Kambwili, Jean Kapata, Mumbi, Nsanda, Kabimba or these PF online trolls.The chief Justice will decide whether to take in a forgery or not after the forensic unit examines the Degree transcripts by credit not honorary.

  72. There is nothing like international norm when it comes to credit awards/validation of awards for individual modules by universities which makes up a degree. For example, you could do 4 x 30 credits at level 3 to make up a degree plus 60 credit project for MA/MSc (16-18K words) or could mix with level 2 modules at various levels. Surely, the Chief Justice would not know all this. Please do not teach old dogs new tricks! Good night.

  73. All the political parties alike have their origins in past ideas and not in new ideas — and none more conspicuously so than the Marxists.

    I am afraid this is very much true especially in zambia where almost all the parties have come from one

  74. Am just curious, those of you saying we dont need the president to have a degree —Would you allow an uneducated chap from Soweto Market who runs a successful stall to run your business or be a CEO of your organization? I highly doubt it –

  75. #13 your views just show how ilitrate u are and which country you are in.first of all you don’t need to have completed junior high or secondary school for you to do a degree in england all u need to show is that you are an adult or have work experience in any institution get it.

  76. if you believe that Mr Sata has a degree, you must as f.o.o.l.i.s.h as he is to believe he will be zambians next president. But thats just my personal opinion

  77. My fellow Zambians, why are we such hypocrits. Today everyone sends their children to school because education opens the door to new horizons, better jobs, opportunities, you name it. Every corporation wants a highly qualified CEO. Why do we underrate the need of an educated person for our dear country? NCC you should have actually gone even further !!! A MASTERS DEGREE, yes!!! It is not anybody’s fault that while others were at school learning, the others decided to go mukulunga utuni.

  78. to # 75 dataryder , actually, in the UK, you do need to have completed an A Level education to get a bachelors degree. They offer A level courses to senior citizens, but you cant just “show that you are an adult or have work experience in any instituition”

  79. OK Nice to hear that a person who went to London to Shunt trains actually went there to get a degree. Well anybody can say that, I guess. Now can the PF cadres be abit more vague when they say a London Degree . Can they tell us the follwing

    1) What is the name of the college or University Mr Sata obtained his degree from
    2) What was the year of Graduation

    With this information we can easily go to the website of his university and see the names of the Graduands. And I believe his name will be listed on that website. This is not rocket science. PF cadres give us the true data please.

  80. MMD chief book licker.I love your blogs but sometimes you are too radical and not logical.
    Don’t you feel your questions are just in line with they that don’t really understand politics?How old are You?
    Where did you graduate from?
    Can we see your degree now on line?
    How about your transcript?
    Don’t you think these questions are meant to intimidate someone?
    Be Zambian.Let Sata ,Banda compete.Theo vote shall Judge them.
    God Bless you my friend.And to tell you the truth,your words do contribute alot,readers can judge us even by the way we do contribute to this Blog.
    Lets not take things too personal,otherwise we are failures.Actually we Zambian youths don’t contribute much in politics apart from violence and verbal attacks on old folks.Work up Zambian Youths.Control Your…

  81. Michael Dell inventor of computer no degree…Richard Branson brillliant prominent business man in Britain no degree…Bill Gates who has helped many Zambians no degree….President of Brazil doing a fantastic job no degree…Sir John Major fantastic and brilliant former prime minister Britain no degree…founder of Wendys in USA no degree…( one of the largest take aways like Mcdonalds) ..you know what the human mind is brilliant a degree can never ever be an end to judge the best leaders in the world. I do agree it is a very important tool…however, if a user has a degree, phd etc and not pragmatic it can be useless. Use debates, records of past achievements in positions of authority ,fear of God, caring about people, hardworking, wisdom, inspiring character, not being a thief etc

  82. Let’s get facts right here. Underplaying the need for sound education can be very disastrous for a country. The people being cited as successes without degrees are exceptional people. It is totally illogical to contrast Mr. Sata with Richard Branson or Michael Dell. Without being disrespectful to Mr. Sata please realize that in the developed world people have a lot of access to a lot of things and therefore, the level at which they access information is very different even in the absence of formal education. Education does not mean intelligence – we all know. But the absence of education has no substitute.

  83. #80 Lamba-lamba Chileshe

    Am not interested in the transcripts or the certificate for that matter. Am not the Chief Justice. All I want is:
    1) the name of the Univeisty where Mr Sata graduated from
    2) the Year he graduated

    With this two pieces of information regardless of when one graduated, it is easier to see Mr Sata’s name in the graduates records for any University particularly if it is in UK. You can go to UNZA and easily obtain the list of people that graduated 1970. All universities keep these records. That is why there is even Alumini. That is all we are asking for. We are not interested in papers, those are personal and confidential I believe and shouldn’t be put on the Internet.

  84. The Constitution has to have an education clause, be it Grade 12 or first degree, one has to be there. The question is which level of education (on paper) is acceptable and why? For our cases – the developing world it is important that we define some minimum requirements for our leaders.

  85. If education was so important to MMD. I do not understand why a Minster of Education the most important job in Zambia….Dora Siliya has now been given another duty as MMD spokesperson. The problem with MMD is the same recycled politicians fingers in the pudding.

  86. Please allow me to be referred to as First Patriot by all of you my very learned dear sirs and madams, my fellow country men and women, for the purposes of distinction, as we now seem to share the same alias with my dear brother 63-71, who I must say has valuable contributions to the topic at hand in the Zambian fraternity, as frivolous as the matter may seem at times, its actually beginning to dawn as a very important aspect of Zambian life.

    In this instance I find myself a bit detached to the matter, so I choose to reserve any comments throughout this debate, to take time to indulge in thought upon the matter…albeit, I do not seem to appreciate the manner in which the issue seems to be presented and amplified so much, we should always take a neutral stance, so as to protect the…

  88. peace which is a hallmark of the Zambian nation, therefore, we must desist from matters that are more inclined towards discrimination, its very unlike our beautiful country with you its beautiful people. On the other hand we must take care in choosing who our leader shall be…especially during this important decade we are entering…a period where we need to fold our sleeves and accelerate development.
    With this I shall leave you with this very ponderable line from a great teacher- One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.-Plato

  89. #82 we are not down playing the important role of education. Infact the stance of putting this clause is downplaying the intelligence of a voter.

  90. I am just wondering, was this clause meant for one person? Katele said they will certify Sata’s Degree. Who else will they have to certify their degrees? Who will do the certification of degrees? Why certify? Why not just do a verification check?

  91. Dumbwiza and COMMANDER,

    What do you mean when you say Sata’s degree must be certified? Who will do the certification you are referring to? Only the university he obtained the degree from can do the authentication. I don’t see how the returning officer during election time or the NCC can have such authority. I have both undergraduate and postgraduate qualifications myself. Whenever someone has attempted to authenticate these qualifications they communicate with my alma mater here in Zambia or in the US. They don’t ask Chifumu Banda, Katele Kalumba, Mike Mulongoti or even the Chief Justice to authenticate my documents!

  92. We’ll wait to see Sata’s degree. Zambia’s first two presidents had no degrees when they entered office. If we are to believe the plunder allegations, Chiluba only started stealing after he got his Warwick degree. KK, a non-degree holder is the only president that built universities.

    Having had graduates occupy state house since 2001, is Zambia any better off? Would Zambia have been better off if our first two presidents were graduates?

  93. I degree must not stand on our way.I have got no degree but a Zambian from Barotseland and i would want to be a republican president no one should stand on my way.This must be open to every one whether educated or not .Then the Zambians will elect from the candidates standing for the presidential elections.Not the constitution done by few people and some of them corrupt.Lets live it to the poeple to elect through a general election.

  94. well done Sata.it is time for our credentials to be kept silent until such a time when people think you are not educated.viva degree viva!!! VIVA!!!! umuntu mutwe=d>=d>8-}:)):))LOL

  95. Ha ha ha ha ha..If Sata has a degree, then he bought it from London school of politics in Matero and it will not help him. Wina azalila 😕

  96. Issue of minimum for a degree and the issue of 50%+1 should all be decided by Zambians through a referndum. I believe the NCC is not truly representing the majority of Zambia. It’s formation was a thorny issue boycotted by a number of stakeholders.
    Let a referendum decide these two issues coz there is so much “score-settling” going on now. Otherwise the new constitution will ned changing again in a few years- a waste of money considering that we are such a poor country.
    like it or not, now the degree issue looks like it’s meant to fix Sata. Referndum will be neutral hopefully. Cheers to all as the debate is really good….many good points have been put across

  99. Personally, I don’t trust all politicians…they keep messing up ordinary pipo…..I am discouraged by the current of politicians but we must make an effort to usher in a pipo driven constitution. We dont want a certain group of pipo to rule us all the time and make themselves rich at our expense. Equally, it will be tragic to bring pipo who might take the country backwards thru there style of leadership……
    I support a referendum…We should leran from the Zimbabwe situation…they can’t get rid of the man now…coz of loopholes in the constitution….
    luv you all…….

  100. It is really good that PF leader MC Sata has a degree in Political Science from a London or whichever university following “… as far as he is concerned, Patriotic Front President Mr Michael Sata has got a degree in Political Science he obtained in London…“. This is good for the PACT as Mr Sata MC qualifies to be presidential candidate under the PACT.

    However, if the writings above are false, then it will be very sad for PF, and may be the PACT, since Mr Sata MC will not be eligible even to be appointed as Vice President should president HH be presidential candidate and then form GRZ after 2011 elections since the requirements of election of Zambian President under NCC recommendations are same even for a Vice President to be appointed.

    Have a nice day all.

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    Matt 6:…

  103. Following on my However, if the writings above are false, then it will be very sad for PF, and may be the PACT, since Mr Sata MC will not be eligible even to be appointed as Vice President should president HH be presidential candidate and then form GRZ after 2011 elections since the requirements of election of Zambian President under NCC recommendations are same even for a Vice President to be appointed above. I would like to warn bloggers and fellow Zambians to keep in mind that NCC Chairman has clarified that Honourary Degrees will not be accepted by the Chief Justice on the day of nominations for Presidential candidate.

    In the meantime, why are PF cadres and others not complaining about the Grade 12 qualification for one to be an MP?.

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  104. Kalos2020 – You have said it well. The target was Sata.

    Well done Mr Sata for obtaining your degree. I am amazed by your political intelligence in Politics. After people have spoken a lot of things and here comes a graduate for Presidency.

  105. Does it also mean that the age limit for all aspiring Presidential candidates is meant to FIX all those that have not attained that age?…..Those who want to stand for zed top job but are below 36 are told to wait until they are 36…is this law discriminatory ?
    I saw an advert in the papers the other day…Zesco is looking for a Managing Director..imagine what extras go with such a job…who wouldnt want to land such a job and be another Robinson Mwansa…manje ma qualifications chabe….! I am sure the job of zed president is far more important and involving than the zesco top job…SATA must enrol NOW so that he is ready by 2016…Zambia will not go anywhere,it will be HERE. Meanwhile let him groom someone(with a degree) while he is busy with his studies.

  106. If Sata has a degree, then i have a PhD. There is no university in the world that admits students for a degree without O or A level results, Sata stopped school in grade 6.

  107. #103Maestro Hakucincha – HH will be the VP period. Sata is not stupid. He said am a step ahead of NCC already. He cannot go to the media such as post and announce that he has a degree. Watch and see where this is going. Pact to stay.

  108. This is what we call “SHOOTING YOURSELF IN THE FOOT”!!! Now that Sata has out-smarted them at their own game, the connivers of this shortsighted law are scrambling to come up with all sorts of maneuvers to still torpedo him at any cost. In the beginning we were told it was not aid at an individual, in “Cobra” Sata. Now it is: what University did he graduate from, when did he…, how did he…, show us his…., blah, blah, blah. What a bunch of i.d.i.o.t.s!!!!

    Well, now that the real reason for including this clause in the constitution has been exposed, you will lose nothing to admit the folly of this clause. Also, admit the fact that this was aimed squarely at disadvantaging Rupiah Banda’s political opponents. YOUR COVER HAS BEEN BLOWN—-drop the damn clause!

  110. Vera was appointed by someone who has a degree,reason he appointed her?eveybody want to have a degree but what if you have so called six points and don’t have money to go to unza/cbu?

  111. Hi Litunga, your “#103Maestro Hakucincha – HH will be the VP period” and Siachisumo’s/Hachisumo’s “He said the Patriotic Front leader Michael Chilufya Sata is going to stand as a presidential candidate in the forth coming tripartite elections scheduled for 2011” will not take you anywhere if Mr Sata who has no GRZ record of O-Levels (Grade 12 or Standard 10), since according to Minister Mulongoti Mr. Sata only went up to Standard 4 which is equivalent to Grade 6. Remember O-Levels (Grade 12 or its equivalent) are entry qualifications into any University where A-Levels are not needed.

    Fantasising will not help PF or Mr Sata, but sober approach to this matter can help him rule in 2016. UPND can go it alone sine HH qualifies under NCC rec.
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  112. There is one point which all you bloggers are totally missing out here….There is a degree holder in Plot 1 at the moment,and rate the Performance of this degree holder .If am not Mistaken,i would rate him 2% out of 100.the 2% is because of Occupyng State house.so The NCC is just a vehicle of MMD which will be shamed due to their unpatriotic and political inclination behaviour

  113. this degree thing is all B U-S H E E T….what about us ACCA holders…we are more qualified than those people with degrees in accounts from CBU….

  115. From what I have read from the majority of you here it is obvious that the clause was meant to bar Sata from standing as president in the next election. What is sad is that we make laws to stop one person, so what happens thereafter? You will discover that the same law you re supporting today will disadvantage you or your children later. What we are saying is lets be objective in our law making processes and come up with a constitution that will stand the test of time not one which will be changed now and then coz it s targeted at an individual!:(

  116. Litunga, following on “Remember O-Levels (Grade 12 or its equivalent) are entry qualifications into any University where A-Levels are not needed” a person also needs a Grade 9 Certificate in order to generate a Grade 12 examination number. At the rate we are going, even a Grade 9 pupil needs are Grade 7 Certificate to get passage to sit for Grade 9 Exams.

    I hope Mr MC Sata will be able to produce such papers or their equivalents before he produces a Degree from a Recognised University where lectures were attended or correspondence credit hours are acceptable to the NCC.

    With the NCC recommendations, PF or Mr Sata are in deep trouble. President RB’s pledge that he came to end political career of MC Sata is seemingly working.
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  117. Talk about mass hysteria. This is Satamania at its best. Ba Mashimba, you are worried about ‘O levels? We are off loading 300,000 kids on the streets every year with ‘O levels’. You can do it too. It’s times like these that really show that we are very primitive, even our ‘education’ fails to remove the bututu in some of us.~X(

  118. Now that Sata has a Degree, people are complaining. Next thing you know, NCC will bar all those who have held a Ministerial position without Portifolio, from standing!!:-?

  120. Ladies and gentlemen, if the degree is discriminatory and there is a lot of noise about it, then the K20 million or more nomination fee for a president is discriminatory and everyone should come out to condemn it. I remember vividly how the poor people’s party president Alex Muliokela frantically tried but failed to raise the K20 million to stand as presidential candidate. All of us remember how Brig Gen Miyanda nearly failed to raise the same. If the K20 million nomination fee is ok, then the first degree is ok. PF stop crying

  121. A story is told of a village where old people were all killed because they were old and not needed in a modern society and all killed their old relatives except for one who hide his old grandfather. One day a big snake coiled the chief and no one new what to do as the chief’s life was in danger. They consulted among themselves and had no solution until one of them opened up that he hide his grandpa and was going to consult him. The old man went where the chief was and throw a live chicken there and suddenly the snake uncoiled and went for the chicken. Thats how the chief suvived, in short what we need in any leader is wisdom and not this rubbish. Not even everyone on NCC is a degree holder. Please leave the people to be free in their own country.:(

  122. What qualifications did Jesus obtain while in the middle east? What qualifications did King Solomon get before he married his 1pin wives? Who are the wisest men recorded in the Bible? What were their credentials? SCUMBAGS at NCC. 35 years and Zambian citizen are better qualifications.Can we put Kapoko Henry as Presidential candidate becoz he has Degree in Human Resource when he is a Thief? No, we are better of with Namugala Catherine the waiter(caterer) for this job becoz of honest and prudence

  123. If Sata has a degree, then he should stop making noise for all of us and just shut it for 3 reasons I will post below.

    1. Sata and his PF refused to take part in the NCC provisions. Therefore he has no moral right to complain on any issue in or about the NCC whether it benefits him or not.

    2. Sata cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt that the clause was targeted at him. Without proof, Sata’s claims are just opinions we shall dismiss as mere gossip.

    3. If the clause was targeted at Sata, he should ask himself why the UPND betrayed him. I come to this conclusion because according to Dora Siliya through Mwembe’s Post [dated Wed 27 Jan. 2010, 04:01 CAT ], UPND members pushed for degree clause. He should ask himself why he and his PF are in a pact where he’s…

  125. The issue is that you cant put that clause in the constitution and not gurantee education for all the citizens. The number of grade 12’s who meet the minimum entry requirement to the university is usually around 200, 000. The combined enrolment capacity of UNZA, CBU, Mulungush which are the recognised universities in Zambia is less than 10, 000. So people who get selected must either know someone or must be rich enough to pay someone to favour them during enrolment. This is why the clause is discriminatory. it does not give all peopl an opportunity to compete for enrolment to degrees but want to use the degree as a qualification to repuplican presidency.

  126. # 123, you made very good observations, and i agree with you, UPND MPs pushed for the degree requirement and MMD MPs just took advantage of it. And yes, if Sata has a degree, why did he complain so much when he heard about this requirement. **==

    Sata is a grade 6 boy who cant even solve Special Paper 1

  127. Capitalist,

    Good posting in #123. I also keep wondering where this man is going as he has been based on falsehood for along time

  129. What University can award Sata any degree? If you want to forge a degree for him, get ready to be charged jointly with him for falsefying academic documents.

  130. #126
    Mashimba
    Your contribution has been spoiled by your last comment. I dont know what qualifications Sata has but certainly not a grade 6 failure as you have put it.Mr. Sata spent many years in the UK and people like my aunt ba Lombe Chibesakunda can enlighten us on what Sata was doing in London since(from my research) they were also there at that time. In any case why are people panicking over Sata’s claims? The truth will come out when he presents his prequalications for nominations at the high court next year. Yesterday the Public Media went to his house asking him to show them his degree. Why? I can even use my imagination here that if Sata were studying at UNZA these MMD guys would ensure Unza closes at exam time so that he can miss the nomination. Bane a degree is as good as…

  132. The Legacy# 60 mulibakali.However the degree thing has brought alot of noise.#115 good point.If talking was a school,all Zambians would have obtained degrees,and if Sata was poverty,every one could not sleep with empty stomach becoz pipo are finding solutions on how to put him down.Lets talk about developmetal issues bane,not just targeting one person.May God bless Mother Zambia,the land of falling waters **==

  134. I have an idea to clear the air on this clause thing just as many other professions with experience you are given a bit of an escape clause for years of work so apart from a degree it should take into consideration a persons success over a defined number of years and there conduct in there service which means thugary inthat period desqualifys you just as a previous criminal record will hamper your chances of getting a good job. etc

    am tired mwe cant explain further i hope you get the idea

  135. Is this what Zambia has to offer? In the era of the Obamas we still get fossils for candidates. Where are the young leaders Zambia has been grooming since independence? How can we still have stone throwers as candidates and president 40 yrs after independence. God help Zambia!

  136. Mr. Capitalist
    Thank you for your concern. I am home in Zambia helping in developing the Country. If all goes well, I will stand for MP position in 2011 elections — thanks to NCC who have including a Grade 12 clause for MP. I would have tried to run for President in 2011 but the Constitution has two discrimination on caluses on me, i.e., age limit of 35 yrs as I am only 29 years old and being sponsored by a political party since I am not a member of any party currently. How I wish the above discriminating clauses were also condemned by PF cadres. Anyway, maybe I will join MMD to help them make sure they win Southern Province if Mr Sata will be PACT presidential candidate.

    Be bless and keep well.
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  137. #120…right on . And for those saying the clause is meant to bar Sata from standing should look at it that maybe its meant for Sata to get higher learning which is actually good for him…maybe then he will know that runing a country is not about buying AVM buses for Lusaka city council or authorising the building of fly over bridges IN LUSAKA …..quarter of a century ago!

  139. THE SATA SITUATION CONCERNING NCC ENDORSING A CLAUSE FOR DEGREE QUALIFICATION FOR A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IS SELF INFLICTING. BOYCOTTING TALKS OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT WAS WORKABLE DURING COLONIAL GOVT COZ THEY WERE IN MINORITY AND NOT IN TODAYS SITUATION. ” THAT IS WHAT CALL ” ICHAWA YA NJAMBA YAKUDICHAYILA” SATA AND HIS MPS WHO BOYCOTTED HAVE THEMSELVES TO BLAME. LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO LATE JONAS SAVIMBI HE REFUSED ALL SORTS OF POSITIVE DIALOGUE AND WHAT WAS THE END RESULT ? ITS BETTER TO ENGAGE YOUR ENEMY IN CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE MAKING THE DEGREE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC TO PROVE CRITICS WRONG. SATA’S AND OTHER PUBLIC LEADERS QUALIFICATIONS IS OF PUBLIC INTEREST AND SCRUTINY THERE IS NO HIDING. WHICH UNIVERSITY IN LONDON IS THAT?

  140. Nobody says everybody with degree can make good president BUT a president with a degree gives better assurance that he’ll work comfortably in this high-tech world.

  141. we ve always been told we are the future leaders but when will the future come if RB and Sata want to stand?we need change…

  143. I come from a very rich province of Zambia without a University not even one from room 26 as is in Lusaka the city on stones. This is the province that voted for RB in the by election. Since I want to be President, but I have no digli, I will preach throughout the province to take up arms to defend our ”no diglizi” .Let the pipo with diglizi rule others with diglizi.

  144. #13.YOU ARE REALLY VERY DULL. LOOKING AT YOUR FLAG I MAY ASSUME THAT YOU LEAVE OVERSEAS. BUT, HOW COME YOU DON’T KNOW THAT IN EUROPE AND AMERICA YOU DON’T NEED TO FINISH YOUR SECONDARY SCHOOL IN ORDER TO BE IN A POSITION TO PURSUE A DEGREE PROGRAM AT A UNIVERSITY? YOUR WORKING LIFE MAY BE ENTRY-QUALIFICATION ENOUGH TO ENABLE YOU PURSUE A DEGREE PROGRAM AT ANY UNIVERSITY. AND SATA MORE THAN QUALIFIES. AMA ZAMBIANS BATUTU SANA!

  145. THIS SHOWS THAT IT’S ONLY MICHAEL SATA’S BRAINS ZAMBIANS FEAR. MOST OF THE ZAMBIANS ARE BRAINLESS, DESPITE THEIR UNCOUNTABLE DEGREES.

    GO SATA, GO.

  146. This is a joke heard but I think there’s some truth in it “Five surgeons are discussing who makes the best patients . . .

    The first surgeon says, “I like to see accountants on my operating table, because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered.”
    The second responds, “Yeah, but you should try electricians! Everything inside them is color coded.”
    The third surgeon says, “No, I really think librarians are the best; everything inside them is in alphabetical order.”
    The fourth surgeon chimes in: “You know, I like construction workers…those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over at the end, and when the job takes longer than you said it would.”
    But the fifth surgeon shut them all up when he observed: “You’re all wrong. Politicians are the…

  147. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There’s no guts, no heart, and no spine, and the head and butt are interchangeable.”

  148. Do all the pipo that pay tax and vote have degrees. Let those that have degres register as voters and they should vote and govern themselves. Us without degrees too, should be sent to ‘I don’t know where’ and we govern ourselves.

  149. #145 Vitali: Funny indeed. What about when the late Ian D. Smith PM of Rhodesia(Zim) was asked in America what he did for his living: ” Iam a Prime Minister”
    Reporter: “Where sir?”
    Smith: “Rhodesia, Africa”
    Reporter: ” How can you sink so low?. Here we know that those jobs are for Africans whom we can easily manuplate”

  150. Some one here has said PF have caused this fiasco by not partaking in the NCC. You dont the MMD, they could have you used other ways. Remember in 2002 when they were a minority in Parliament? All Mwanga did was buy off the Hertage and FDD MPs to help pass motions in the House. The rest is history.If the prove that Sata has realy got a degree, they will move to his parantage and origin. Mark my words.

  151. ACTUALLY I DON’T THINK THE NCC HAD ANY INTEREST IN SATA BUT WAS KEENLY AWARE THAT IN COUNTIES WHERE LEADERSHIP WAS WELL EDUCATED LIKE LEE KUAN YU OF SINGAPORE WHO HAD A FIRST CLASS FROM OXFORD THEY DID EXTREMELY WELL AND WHERE THEY HAD AN ILLITERATE ***** LIKE AMIN IN UGANDA, THEY HAD A DISASTER. LET US MAKE A CONSTITUTION TO SAFEGUARD ZAMBIA. IF BASHI CHILUFYA HAS A DEGREE THEN HE QUALIFIES AND SHOULD GOVERN IF HE WINS THE ELECTIONS. IF HE DOESN’T HAVE A DEGREE HE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GOVERN. IT WOULD BE TOO RISKY IN THIS AGE. I RESPECT EDUCATION AND THE FEAR OF GOD ABOVE ALL.

  155. If you qre there hoping against hope and believing against all logic that Sata has a Degree then you are a deluded fool. Sata has been teasing the educated politicians for a long time even calling HH a calculator boy in refference to his accademic credentials. Today he tells you he is also a ‘calculator boy’ and you believe…mwalipena imwe ayi!!!!!

    Some of you here would believe Sata if he told you that Zambia once won the Football World cup and that he scored the winning goal!!!!!

  156. If Mr Sata MC has no Degree from a recognised Institution, then the PACT/UPND may appears follows in ranks for 2011 elections:

    PACT:

    Presidential candidate: HH
    Vice President: Guy Scott (if he was born in Zambia and his parents are both Zambian Citizens by birth or descent).

    UPND:

    Presidential candidate: HH
    Vice President after elections: one of the 4 Veeps in UPND with the qualifications befitting Presidential candidate.

    — If PF/Sata boycott the elections, UPND may form GRZ alone or be the major position political party again, reclaiming its 2002 and onwards position in Zambian politics. This means PF may die a natural death as it happened to UNIP ever since Dr KK boycotted 1996 elections.

    Have a blessed day all.
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  159. Mr Sata has no degree, he is just testing the waters before he produces his honorary degree.He wants to see if it will be accepted.Why hide papers if u have

  161. Probably from one of thiose pakistani universities that used to be a kebab shop, they are notorius for giving degree’s to people that have never attended. I wonder if Sata’s degree place is one of those on Uk border force

  162. #158 In the same vein why are MMD forcing him to show them this piece of paper instead of waiting for nomination day? They are scared so much that if he is actually studying now they will ensure he doenst continue.

  163. I think you can tell that some bloggers express their opinion where as some are paid to write what their masters tell them to do. Unfortunately, these are the so called learned with degrees – I really feel sorry.

  164. Can someone please tell me if the majority of the NCC delegates have no ambition to be president I ask so because not all of them have degrees are they prepared to boot lickers for life.

  165. This man amazes me,just like Deja vu observed, first he boycotts NCC and hopes for a better Law for 2011,he then clings to his radio to hear about NCC deliberations, later gets a shock of his day-Degree clause.the man should hve been there to direct the course of those deliberations by NCC not crying outside the hostels.He should have been there arguing.

  167. Did you know that three quarters of the participants at the NCC have not even attained a full grade twelve certificate. How do you expect the product to be of any use when the architects are illy qualified. Shame shame. What qualifications has Shikapwasha?

  168. Its a lesson to future leaders, not to make rush decisions.Mr Sata thought he was made the right decision to quit NCC.Now its haunting him.Dont make rush decisions based on emotions

  169. #164 Thats why we need an educated president, one who will understand that boycotts are tricks of the past. In this present world, you boycott something, no one will care, the world moves on!

    He Boycotted NCC
    He stormed out of an inernational interview
    and if he became President, he would….
    boycott parliament,
    boycott press conferences
    boycott the AU meetings
    boycott any talks with potential investots because the talked to China

    am afraid, he may even boycott State House :)):))

  172. One thing i have always admired in this SATA man is his determination, the spirit to fight.He has the energy and in large amounts.

  173. #170, are we living in the same world, give an example when Mugabe did what I listed at # 168, the Man has been forcing his way to attend meetings even when attempts to bar him are made. Do you remember the last AU summit LPM attended?

  175. Stories about my presido make proper news (talk of the day)… check the number of comments so far!

    Fact: The man is worth discussing otherwise we’d have seen far less comments.

  176. I submit that even voters should be degree holders,It appears degrees are a pre requisite to right decision making.if that it is so voters too should have degrees.

  178. Why are most political parties in Zambia led by degree holders?

    If Sata is has the degree, why didnt his supporters know all along. they have made so much noise, that NCC is targetting Sata. The man should have calmed his cadres down as he is qualified.

  179. #123 Are you not concerned Dora Siliya Minister of education has diverted her duties to being spokeswoman. How many positions will this woman have. The ministery of Education is a very important job…there is so much work to do. What time has she got to meddle in politics.

  180. Ba #175
    Such a clause might be the only way to encourage people to get educated after all we always tell young people that education opens doors. Its meant to help you aim high not just g12 ati chapwa.

    Every developed economy looks for the most talented individuals within and outside there country to help them progress. If you feel as a party a certain candidate has the potential thats where grooming comes in such has been the case in Obama in case you didnt know.

    It doesnt have to only be in the election year it can be done progresively over a number of years but greed and personal to holder political parties is a problem in Zambia

  181. What is the qualification to stand as councilor in the city, municpal and district councils?
    Now is is taking more to tangle not just 2

  182. Can someone enlighten me as to what this also means for the PACT given the fact that UPND members voted for the degree clause? Was it their way of engineering King floor polish’s exit? I am enclined to bellieve that Satana has got no degree because if he had it he would have displayed it by now. It would have been on the front page of the post.

  183. Okey ! then let the pipo with degrees vote and those of us without degrees should are not going to vote. I hate this kind politics. Zambians have nothing constructive to descuss except trivial issues that are unfounded. Wasting so much time redicuing each other and leaving impotant issues unsorted. Ekwishiba at twaklwata intungulushi ifinangwa.

  184. I dont understand why most of u are against the degree clause, when u choose a leader, u choose a person who u think is better than you, I will begin to doubt may of u thinking Sata can be a better person to represent alot of Zambians who went to school. Besides, pipo wake up, dont just follow ukwalola umwela, wat is it with u putting a person in his last days to rule u? Seems some of u can even vote for “Imfwa enda” as long as your neighbour supports it

  185. Rupia Banda & his government dont think properly bcoz u can only put a restriction to something u hav provided in this case education is not compulsory in zambia theres no such a law as in the western countries.This is when you can say we provided education but u never wanted to go to school then u hav every basis to put in that clause

  186. Next elections we dont want old people to be ruling us otherwise Zambia will NEVER develop despite it having a lot of valuable resources that ony foreigners are enjoying.

  187. No honorary degrees, says Chifumo Banda

    The National Constitutional Conference (NCC) has clarified that only university degrees obtained through academic studying will be admissible for one to stand as president of Zambia.
    NCC chairperson Chifumu Banda made the clarification Tuesday afternoon during the ongoing deliberations.Banda said that honorary degrees will not be acceptable.
    He said only degrees obtained by attending lectures or by correspondence will be considered.
    THIS WILL BAR NEVERS MUMBA AS WELL

  189. # 86, thats very gud news, they shud have even put …and some other additional qualification. I have worked with many people and I appreciate educated pipo, they reason better. But they should now put an age limit also like 40yrs or so, then Politics in zambia will be civilised once bakaponyas are eliminated

  191. When Sata lost in rural areas, his supporters said that rural people are illiterate, they dont understand issues.Only urban pipo understand issues coz they are educated. Today its different, education is being thrown out of the window coz Sata is affected. Be authentic Zambians. Let yo no be no and yes be yes.

  192. THAT’S WHY ZAMBIA WONT GO ANYWHERE AND WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED. MMD LOVE POWER ARE TRYING BY ALL MEANS THAT THEY REMAIN IN POWER. AND ON THE OTHER HAND YOU GUYS SAYING THAT SATA WAS SUPPOSE TO ANNOUNCE THAT HE HAVE A DEGREE FOR WHAT? THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN ZAMBIA, ONCE YOU HAVE DEGREE EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW FOR WHAT? ZAMBIAN WE ARE SO PROUD FOR NOTHING. IN OTHER COUNTRIES YOU WILL MEET PEOPLE WHO ARE EDUCATED AND THEY ARE DOWN TO EARTH. FOR ME I DON’T SEE ANY REASON SATA SHOULD GOING IN THE STREET ANOUNCING THAT HE HAVE A DEGREE. SATA NEVER SAID THAT THEY ARE BLOCKING HIM TO STAND AS A PRESIDENT PEOPLE WHO WERE ASKING HIM BECAUSE THEY THINK HE DON’T HAVE PAPERS. LORD HELP US IN ZAMBIA.

  193. Gigree that Digree this.. Degree that GeDree this. Yaba even in Zambia most degrees are cooked up in universities. If Zambian degrees are anything to go by, Zed today would have been developed.
    Gigree that Digree this.. Degree that GeDree this yaba!!. :d/

  194. MPs should and ought to have a degree as well!!!! Its not right to subject a President to the qualification of a Degree and leave out the most important of all, the MPs. They make our useless and sometimes senseless laws because of lack of education. If the NCC does not include a provision for appointment of members of Members of Cabinet from outside parliament, we will continue to have the likes of Mulongoti, Shikapwasha and Teta as Ministers!!!! VIVA DEGREE CLAUSE!!!!:-?:-?:-?:-?

  196. If Mr Sata MC has no Degree from a recognised Institution, then the PACT/UPND may appears follows in ranks for 2011 elections:

    PACT:

    Presidential candidate: HH
    Vice President: Mrs Sata, i.e. Dr Kaseba just to console PF that Sata has ruled also since she is one with him.

    UPND:

    Presidential candidate: HH
    Vice President after elections: one of the 4 Veeps in UPND with the qualifications befitting Presidential candidate.

    — If PF/Sata boycott the elections, UPND may form GRZ alone or be the major position political party again, reclaiming its 2002 and onwards position in Zambian politics. This means PF may die a natural death as it happened to UNIP ever since Dr KK boycotted 1996 elections.

    Have a blessed day all.
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  200. Yes stupid little men!!!!!Sata if you know him is a very intelligent man,Zambians are used to mediocre leadership,when he was Gov for Lusaka,the city improved it’s financial position,bought staff buses,increased levy collections,started to clean the city..when he was minister of health he brought about health insurance which was also good,now tell me about RB….people let’s watch this unfold..

  201. If savage Sata has a college degree, then we should exclude all those with degrees from the presidency because they’re rascals.

  202. I have just heard that Sata has a masters from Cambridge and a phd from Harvard. He is a very modest man and does not like to be called ‘Dr’.

  203. Fellow Zambians, this Degree issue for presidential candidate is Bogussss!! Degree in what? e.g Degree in Music what has it got to do with Leadership? All well meaning citizens will not support this idea, we need a President with Leadership Qualities, able to show citizen the road to Clean Water, Good schools, Health Care Facilities and above all low taxes to worker. We dont need to start building SHELVES for DEGREES at State House. That is a place for developing policies, it should not be a place where Ideas go to die.

  204. Mugungulu H. Mwaanga or Maestro Hakucincha as he is known on this blog is a muppet/puppet of HH who believes his master is Zambia’s Messiah!

  205. Yama Ba Michael we are behind your back we want you to rule n bring back to life our mother Zambia, am a sole witness of wat you did while in the Chiluba era you deserve it mwandi, all those trying to stop you tell them time up_Zambians want change n that change all people believe it is through you……..Go PF…….G0………

    Bana Baku Chipata bali naimwe ba Sata…………………..no Bsc,no Msc….no Phd…….no Honours……its truly Zambian Go Sata….Go

    Kabwata boyz behind you……………Ras Chibeka
    Kwale kwa Mongu……we are with you…..its a nation wide cause The Zedians are movin on………Ba Lupiya Kuya bebele…………………………..

  206. # 78 you don’t know what you are taking about.go to any university in the uk tell them you are over 25 and have some sort of work experience you be enrolled and do a simple test without having any GCSE gedit i know about 2 people who are doing BIT @middlesex university.

  207. I respect genuine criticism as it makea a person grow up mentally or learn to correct mistakes or improve upon. PF is against the degree clause for two reasons,

    one – it discriminates against people through no fault of their own – we have so few university places and the universities dish out half baked graduates. Educational system in Zambia full of leakages hence genuine people that must go to university are denied a chance.

    two – We believe in the people to be the judge at ballot time, of late we have been having 11 candidates for presidential so let all compete. The pipo will choose their prefered candidate degree holders or not.

    three – The clause has specific pipo it is targetting, you do not draw up a constitution like that. The MMD did it once on KK.

  208. When this idea of “a degree holding president” first emerged, most Zambians were for the idea. I for one told myself, I think my country has taken a good measure of quality leadership.And yes, not all degreed people are sane or good leaders, but its a just one measure.Another would be to be a clean person, no criminal record, etc.Now, we have this idea being bashed ONLY because it disadvantaged a “Mr MC Sata”. This is a man who boycotted and harrassed his MPs who bothered to be part of the NCC. So, if he did not want to influence this NCC, he should and must comply to the NCC solutions.If this constituition is be a respected pillar in our democracy, all Zambians must respect the outcome, because we have more than 3 yrs in this process. During the process all resolutions were being…

  209. Fellow Zambians, this Obama youre talking about studied law at Harvard. Before running for the senate obama decided to study polical science and tutorial in public speaking techniques. Kindly read his adresss making 100 yrs of the NAACP which appeared in New African magazine OR on youtube. His speech was all about the need for parents to encourage the children to be school.

  210. You all who are talking about degrees cannot even design your own arses. Look at the machine you are using to blog your hatiful opinions. Do you stop for once to ask how it came to you and who made it possible? The guy who gave us this did not complete University, he dropped out in 1975 and went on to become the richest person in the world. You never said no we cannot use this because it was invented by a non degree holder NO. Some people are born with wisdom school or no school. Ask yourself how your fore fathers came to realise that by drying fish it would be preserved for a long time? Yes we need education but we should not misuse it to disadvantage other people.

  211. Mr Sata has a degree from the University of Perk Ham. The Vice Chancellor is Prof. Delboy Trotter. The Chancellor is Her Majesty the Queen Cassandra. The Uni is very well known. There is a documentary on it called ‘Only Fools and horses.’

  214. 114 tell us that you are a fully paid up member of the MMD and we will understand you. Tell how many people you know of having degrees and they go parading in streets anouncing.. dont be so shallow minded. Mwanya, Mr Sata is a degree holder twalamimona ba kolwe. No one goes to school to acquire Wisdom and Leadership qualities, these things are God given. I edge you to read the Bilble or may you are not a christian. Look at How people were being governed or led in the olden days, God was helping the people thru his chosen people (leaders) who never even went to any school. Bane know what you are talking about and just backing like Dogs. What Nzelu do you have to even call yr self WANZELU, you are just an empty tin with rust inside. Grow and analise things ok…..

  215. #212 Deja Vu
    You sussed it! The point is that anyone can have a degree from London. There is a big scam in the UK where people are admitted with student visas, pay a college and never attend classes at all and still end up with a degree certificate. There was a case in which a Cambridge university lecturer complained because a Pakistani PhD candidate was ‘passed’ for financial and diplomatic reasons! I have no doubt at all that Mr Sata HAS a degree from London. I am against this law because anyone can have ‘a degree’ or sort of.

  216. The NCC is not interested in Michael Sata or any prospective candidate for that matter. I think they just want to make sure that any one who is going to be President of Zambia should have some solid education behind him. It is important for the good economic and political management of the country that you don’t end up with an illiterate demagogue like Amin. Micheal Sata is a passing factor and should really not influence an enduring constitution.

  217. #214, There is no need to be emotional. If Mr. Sata has a degree that is very good and will qualify to contest the election if he wants to do so. If he does not have a degree then he won’t qualify and he will not be the only one who wont qualify. It is just a safety catch to ensure that the President has good education. What is wrong with that.

  218. There you go you *****s again. The whole NCC wont sit just for kaone small Sata. Zambia is bigger than Sata or HH or RB or FTJ. The NCC is sitting for a number of issues, none of which have to do with ‘fixing’ Sata. Stop chasing shadows and face the reality. Who the *&^% does Sata think he is for him to think that the whole NCC will sit just for him? And where the heck has he managed to get a degree in just under a year? LOL!!!!

  220. Degree or no degree, its funny how things change. Seriously. Sata once campaigned vociferously for Chiluba’s third term bid. He and Nakawala hounded MMD MPs inparliament asking them to come out in the open on the position. Whats gonna stop him from going for ‘Life President???’

    Look, we like his ideas and frankness, but there are many contradictions. 1, He has never supported the NCC, 2 he will renationalise Zamtel, and 3 he’s not clear on his foreign policy.

    And then, lets profile the voters. Line of rail to CB and NP, thats PF. South is UPND. The rest of the country is anybody’s guess. And then you have the electoral commission, still MMD controlled. I seriously dont foresee a change of government in 2011. The guys will rig. All this squabbling is futile!!

  221. Muzadwala ma ulcers mumala bane… Sata, Sata, Sata… Nima trump cards aya. I mean, if the man has the time, the cash, online virtual lecture rooms and different one on one coaches, what would stop him from having more than 3 certifications? While we are buzy snaring and barking at each other, mamudala was pounding…simple. Trump cards at play baby!:)

  222. I think the NCC should also barr illiterate people from voting …….maybe the crocs and bird in shan’gombo may be excluded from voting ……..

  225. When momey speaks, man listens

    for those doubting that Sata has a degree, don’t forget that the man has money which can make him get a degree even within a month. All it takes is him and the PF pay some guy with big brains to write the exams for him online and he gets it with beautiful colours.

    This is why whoever was thinking about Sata when voting for that clause was wasting their wonderful.

    Sata has more that one degree. those who follow this site well will agree with me that I mentioned it before it was known that the man had a degree. What a Sata we have in this unstopable man.

    Peace

  226. Zambia is a very nice country, very beautiful to to live in even. Let the Constitution govern the coutry. all we are saying is not making what all the staff in the constitution means.

    Regards to all of the bloders but don’t inslut mwebantu ba kwa lesa.

  227. Sata sends such shivers, if he is not educated why the fears? if the voters know is not educated and can’t be a president why are so many people ascred of him, realy this is an indication that the guy must have done it before and people were happy with his performance and his competitors with chains of degrees are scared of him. The whole NCC, the rebels and others, against an un educated person, is it not a shame?

  229. True say #227, If people know that Mr. Sata is not educated why are so many people scared of him? In my opinion Mr. Sata maybe the change in leadership that Zambia needs for years we have been hiding behind the issue of “democracy” when our elections are never free and fair anyways. perhaps what we DO need is an authoritarian like Mr Sata…Just maybe…

  230. Let us ask ourselves we Zambian and living in Zambia, our brothers and sisters the degree holders what they have done something amazing? Going around in hospitals, clinics and public offices the way things are awe maayo. The degree holders are there without doubt. It is better to focus on a person who have quality, quantity, honest and intelligence enough to lead the nation.

  231. ” He said leadership is God given ”

    I never understood that. I would say in a democracy, leadership is given by the people.

  233. If Mr sata is not allowed to stand due to a discriminatory clause, Zambia should be put in Flames. We are a docile country cause we are a pipo that have never faught a war.Forget Chachacha were pipo were cutting trees to block roads then they flee. That was not war. we need serious war to make politicians get the mesage. We have the army let them sort out the MMD govt., on behalf of pipo. We have deen dribbled for too long. Yes war brings suffering but look at Angola & Mozambique they are far ahead now when they were in war situation b4. Us we cant even do one stadium. Atase enough is enough natukalipa sana.

  234. the MMD knows and it’s not a secret that most of their ministers are either grade nines, twelves and a few teachers certificate holders, for example micheal mabenga their party chairman has a simple teachers certificate so this law is just a bomarang it will eventualy backfire on the same people who made it. RB who who has a a degree in economics has totally totally totally failed to revive our economy.

  235. The factis the clause is a wish wash. its a fundumental Human right to belong and participate in country politics without restrictions.

  236. people VOTE for me as Presido in 2011. I shall deliver a constitution that will stand the test of time,.

    One I will proposal we dont build a former president a house if he has stolen, no pension must be
    paid either.
    Two We Jail the former president for theft
    Three The sponsoring party must be able to recall a non perfoming president
    Four: MP’s not visiting constituencies and not performing must be recalled by the electrorate.
    Five: Mps are our servants

    Viva Mpangula Viva Mputyu. Forward for presido 2011

  237. Let those with degrees vote for MMD and those without vote for the Pact. Then we shall see which party will carry the day. Wina azalila!!!

  238. Our constitution is supposed to last for a lot of years. If it is targeted at individuals then we must as well ourselves that we wasting time an resources. Even a very young person can tell that the degree clause was meant to deter Sata from standing. Look at how much money is being used on the NCC, cant we use that elsewhere?

  239. Our constitution is supposed to last for a lot of years. If it is targeted at individuals then we must as well tell ourselves that we are wasting time an resources. Even a very young person can tell that the degree clause was meant to deter Sata from standing. Look at how much money is being used on the NCC, cant we use that elsewhere?

  240. People, Michael Sata was studying in the U.K. with his Former wife Margaret Manda Sata while most of you were in your nappies or not even thought of. Some of you were something else in another Life .

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