By Anthony Kasonde
The last few days have left many wondering whether April fools day has come early. There has been a complete meltdown in Zambian politics with many left wondering whether the men at the helm of Zambian politics and who are at least 50 years are behaving like spoilt children.
It all kicked off when former Republican President Frederick Chiluba held a press conference or rather tell it all conference. Dr Chiluba stated at the said conference that he had been attacked and insulted a lot by, among other people, the Patriotic Front President Michael Sata. Dr Chiluba claimed that he had remained silent but now he felt compelled to respond. In fact, he went on to state that he would in future fight back in the media and legally. Simply put, the show has just begun so sit back and enjoy family guy folks.
Needless to say, Dr Chiluba had a go at Mr Sata on morals and on Mr Hakainde Hichilema the UPND chief for showing lack of leadership. In between, Dr Chiluba threw some jabs on others including Mr Wynter Kabimba the PF Secretary General. Naturally, Mr Sata, in King cobra style, had to bite back. He responded almost immediately and after throwing a few punches of his own did what Mr Sata does best rushed to the law courts claiming defamation of character.
The people, on the other hand, have stood by in utter shock wondering what has gone wrong. This is not just politics by people who have been political foes all their lives. This is politics by people who stood side by side for 10 full years. Mr Sata was Dr Chiluba’s right hand man almost through out his 2 term tenure at Plot 1. So is it right for people to condemn these people as behaving like children when there are pressing national issues that need solving? Do we need these petty squabbles at this stage of Zambian politics or should these two tired folks simply disappear from the political stage? Many will shout in the affirmative to these questions but is that really simple?
Chiluba’s Role
Dr Chiluba is supposed to have retired from active politics, not that Zambians do not want him to take part in politics. He can and is entitled to politic and take up any position he wants except the Republican Presidency since the Constitution limits the maximum term to two. That said, the Zambian law (which Dr Chiluba created or seemed to sustain for selfish gain) seem to punish those Presidents who do not shut up after serving their terms. In other words, and these threats were used by Dr Chiluba against Mr Kenneth Kaunda, benefits would be stopped from being given to such a person since in the eyes of the law he would not be taken to have retired but be assumed to be in active politics. It is for this reason, and this reason alone, that you will hear Dr Chiluba stating that he is not in active politics but merely speaking as an ordinary citizen.
However, and as stated above, Dr Chiluba should have done more during his tenure to remove such a draconian rule which, to say the least, goes directly against not just the spirit but also the letter of the Constitution. A President who has served his tenure must be allowed to receive his benefits whether he continues in politics or not. Only when a President is impeached or removed due to misconduct must he lose his entitlement to benefits. This is the law applied in most democratic societies and this is why we see former US Presidents campaigning and being involved in politics as if their lives depended on it.
Therefore, there should be no problems with Dr Chiluba talking politics or speaking his mind as and when he feels like. The problem comes not from him talking about the morality (or lack of it) of Mr Sata but by how he acquired such information. Dr Chiluba seemed to boast about it when he sated that he was the Republican President for 10 years and during this period he had information about his Ministers. Hello, State Security Act anyone?
Dr Chiluba would have been given information about his Ministers and/or otherwise to enable him discharge his duties in the best interests of the country. He was not entitled to use it after for his personal use as he appears to be doing. Dr Chiluba may argue that it is not top secret since it does not endanger the security of the country but the rationale is that it falls under that category and he swore to protect and preserve such laws. In this regard, Dr Chiluba blundered big time and this should have been brought out as a bigger picture rather than focussing on what people regard as trivialities.
Dr Chiluba may be enjoying his freedom but he may find digging a very big prison for himself if he is not careful with his mouth. The State Security Act or Official Secret Act as it is popularly known has limited defences and to say that it is archaic and unwanted is an understatement. But as usual, Dr Chiluba did not see most of these things as President and he missed his opportunity on the big stage.
That said, and as stated above, Mr Sata was a top man in Dr Chiluba’s cabinet for his entire tenure of office. So if Dr Chiluba as he boasts knew about Mr Sata’s inadequacies, why did he retain him for the whole period of his reign. And if he did not find anything wrong with this information he is feeding the public, why should he expect them to find something wrong with it?
Is Sata Answerable?
It seems normal to conclude that the information Dr Chiluba had on Mr Sata was not serious enough to preclude him (Mr Sata) from serving his country or so Dr Chiluba thought. However, now that the country knows about these facts must it think like Dr Chiluba did then (and accept them as irrelevant or should they matter? Mr Sata and his die hard supporters would want us to think that they are non issues and therefore must be set aside and move forward with real issues. The problem with politicians is that they seem to think that they know what the electorate thinks and what they want and only they (the politicians) have the divine right of interpreting these wishes to the media. Well, they are wrong.
In this age, the world seems to be moving to an era where morals are swept aside as being irrelevant to people with whatever roles or influence. How many times have we heard comments about transgressions from people like Tiger Woods, John Terry, Ashley Cole or even John Edwards brushed aside as being irrelevant as long as these people perform? Even the respected democracy with long established decades of political morals, Great Britain had to literally push its Northern Ireland First Minister to resign after his wife’s extra marital affair was brought to the fore. It was not him but he succumbed.
So why should Mr Sata who is aspiring for high office be spared from scrutiny? There is a popular saying that to those whom much is given much is expected. So Mr Sata should be prepared to be questioned and there is nothing childish about it. The Zambian people are not prepared to surrender their most cherished property (Plot 1) and see it turned into a DNA centre with a myriad number of women claiming to have a relationship with the President. Now that will surely distract the Head of State from concentrating on real issues affecting the people.
Therefore, rather than brush them aside and confirm casually that he is not married to the lady in question but has fathered two children with her. Mr Sata, so far as he is determined to run for the highest office, must face the issue head on. Explain the relationship, if at all, and, most importantly, what his relationship is to the two children. This is cardinal for various reasons but chiefly it will show how Mr Sata views and treats the women (the largest majority voter in Zambia) and secondly how he hopes to resolve the issue of street kids and abandoned children by absent fathers. Therefore rather than be ignored as non issues these are important factors in deciding the kind of person a country wants to be its leader. Values even though not inscribed among the requirements in the written Constitution are just as important as the requirements needed by the country’s supreme Act.
The other equally important issue for Mr Sata to address is his apparent impotence in the English language. I subscribe to the view that people of whatever background must be allowed to compete for whatever political office they feel capable to run. This right must be observed and respected suffice it to say that the issue of Presidential candidates being required to be degree holders must not be entrenched in our law. That said, it is fair to say, human beings have a unique sieving system that naturally does the job. So if a person does not meet the natural standards set by the majority of the people, he or she gets voted out of the system.
However, Mr Sata does not seem to have a problem with speaking English and his team and he will argue that speaking is the crucial element for the President since the writing is done by his staff and instructions can be given by way of dictation. Fair point, I must say. But by even making such an argument, Mr Sata would be conceding what must be a very embarrassing revelation for him. It may also cost him some votes because some people may object to having a President (a supposed role model) who has problems with his writing skills. In this day and age and with the advent of email, people may be concerned that if that dreaded 2 am call comes up and he is required to send a very urgent and important email a misplacement of a coma may just lead to a mistaken instruction leading to disastrous results. It is therefore in Mr Sata’s favour to clarify this issue to his advantage. I have no doubt in my mind that this allegation is at best baseless and at worst malicious.
Is Team Sata Contaminated?
Even though Dr Chiluba meant this to be battle between him and Mr Sata, he has conveniently brought in other parties to aid his arguments. Whether this is fair or not can only be ascertained by whether the allegations made are factual and in the public interests or not. The case of Archbishop Tresford Mpundu, for instance cannot be ignored as not being in the public interests. It is a fact that the lady in question is the Archbishop’s sister, a fact that she has two children with Mr Sata, a fact that she is an adult who is able to make her decisions whether the Archbishop approves or not. In fact, he need not even know about it.
However, the main issues here are that the Archbishop has a big role not just with the Church but with political parties in Zambia as a leader of the Catholic Church in Zambia. The other issue is that because of the existence of not one but two children, the Archbishop would be aware of Mr Sata’s role in her sister’s relationship. The fact that Mr Sata accepted this fact quickly further fortifies the argument that this issue has not been hidden to the lady’s family.
Taking all these facts into account, it was prudent and imperative for the Archbishop to have declared interests so as to avoid conflict at a later stage. Make no mistake about it, the Archbishop may have been professional in his duties and maybe even harder on Mr Sata but that is not the point. The point is, and it is not rocket science, that you must play fair: say to the other participants what is crucial for them to know before you engage them. If they agree notwithstanding the confession then so be it. The Archbishop made a mistake, some might say unwittingly looking at his record, but nevertheless was still a mistake and he must apologise for it.[quote]
Mr Wynter Kabimba, the PF Secretary General has responded to Dr Chiluba in a way that leaves readers in no doubt of his perception and regard (or lack of) for Dr Chiluba. However, considering the fact he was out of the country at the time of giving his response and it came after his boss, Mr Sata, had reacted to Dr Chiluba’s speech, it is rather unfortunate that he made some comments which might scare away the votes the PF badly need.
Mr Kabimba in boasting about the time it took him to do his law degree took a jibe at Dr Chiluba who only got his at a very mature age. Mr Kabimba whether knowingly or not was in fact having a go at adults who obtain degrees past their youth age. This is wrong and regrettable and runs straight into the PF manifesto on education. Surely, there are various reasons why people are not able to complete their studies in the way that Mr Kabimba was boasting of. Factors such as money, family issues, culture etc may all hinder a person’s development. However, when they later feel like advancing their education, people in authority must not pour scorn on them.
Mr Kabimba further insulted the Zambian people when he stated that any person or animal could have won the 1991 elections in Zambia. This is tantamount to saying Zambians are docile who could have voted for a frog if it had stood in those elections. Whereas Mr Kabimba is entitled to hold such an opinion, as a very senior person of the largest opposition in the country, it is a very dull, irrational and stupid statement to make. Mr Kabimba needs to be reminded that Dr Chiluba did not just come from Ndola and put himself on national elections. No, he had to go through the MMD primaries, a party that he did not form. The architects of the party were Akashambatwa Lewanika, Dean Mungomba and Derrick Chitala to name a few. Dr Chiluba was invited in and was chairman of mobilisation. The Late Arthur Wina was chairman of the party and did contest the Presidency along with Dr Chiluba and others. He won these elections and hence became a sponsored candidate of the MMD.
Mr Kabimba can question Dr Chiluba’s claim of being the anointed one but he cannot question the credibility Dr Chiluba had in 1991. That plus the problems the country had made him carry the day against the once untouchable Kenneth Kaunda. However, events in Zimbabwe should serve as a lesson to Mr Kabimba and appreciate that taking over power from a sitting President and especially a President who has ruled since independence is never an easy thing and certainly something that requires more than a mere animal to do it.
Mr Kabimba did raise some valid questions to which Dr Chiluba should answer. Dr Chiluba asked Mr Sata questions and he in turn has been asked questions so he must answer them so the Zambian people can judge. Having a selective memory and only addressing issues in his favour will not help Dr Chiluba to redeem himself, if at all.
The issue that saddens most people most is when these politicians speak without thinking. Just what does it mean when Mr Kabimba says that Dr Chiluba would have been in jail if Levy Mwanawasa was alive. Is this not tarnishing the name and legacy of Dr Mwanawasa? It seems a normal sweeping statement to make but when you analyse it, it appears to be suggesting that Dr Mwanawasa did not respect the independence of the judiciary and hence would have prevailed on the Judge to convict Dr Chiluba at whatever cost. I do not think that is fair on Dr Mwanawasa although it is fair to say he may have handled the issue of the appeal differently. But suggesting that the judgement given by an impartial judge was somehow going to change if Dr Mwanawasa was alive is having a go at the judiciary and this is the same judiciary Mr Kabimba’a boss has rushed to and has used to safeguard his rights indeed the same judiciary that he will aim to work with if he is elected to power.
Is HH The Winner In This Debate?
Dr Chiluba took a swipe at the UPND President, Mr Hakainde Hichileme and questioned his readiness for power when he appears to be a person who is not able to protect the whole citizenry. This call echoes what the Deputy Republican President, Mr George Kunda, alleged a few days earlier.
Therefore, with a lot of people complaining about this whole episode, it appears that Mr Hichilema did himself a favour by refusing to be drawn into the issues. This in many eyes will set him aside as a statesman who is able to rise above what is petty squabbles engulfing the nation. Others, have even gone further to pour the same admiration for the current President Rupiah Banda as a winner. Essentially, for the same reasons, the argument is that since he has not indulged in this filthy debate that is being conducted in the media, he as shown maturity.
The arguments are particularly encouraging for Team HH in particular since he was mentioned in Dr Chiluba’s speech and naturally a response from him was expected. Is it therefore a done deal that HH has come through this unbruised?
I think Dr Chiluba has a point so far as HH has continued not to clarify this issue. It is not in dispute that HH was a senior partner at Grant Thornton at the time the money in issue was alleged to have been paid. The charge alleged that when the money in question was paid it did not come through the Receiver as expected. Now all HH needs to clarify is whether his firm did receive that money and whom it was paid to. HH was not being asked to say things to favour or disfavour Dr Chiluba…just the plain fact. Dr Chiluba alleges that this was not done.
Now HH has an obligation to respond to this issue and this issue only because it is important. Again, as a person vying for the top job, you must show that you are able to protect and defend all Zambians regardless of political affiliation, tribe or status. We have already had a situation where a former President willy nilly handed over an innocent Zambian to the Americans just because this person had previously visited a right place at the wrong time. The man spent donkey years at Guantanamo Bay as a terrorist suspect before being freed without charge. It is normal to speculate that had our Zambian Government insisted on seeing hard evidence like other countries demanded, the pour soul would not have languished in those deplorable conditions for long.
Therefore, if it is seen that HH has no quality to protect all Zambians regardless, and at whatever costs, then it is hard to imagine how Zambians will trust him on this issue. They say silence amounts to an admission, HH therefore will be better advised to clarify this issue for the electorate even if it does not satisfy Dr Chiluba’s wishes.
Therefore, the events of the past few days on the Zambian political stage though regrettable have brought forth issues that need to be debated so that the electorate is fully informed and can make an informed decision particularly since the elections are only next year. However, the politicians have led us to this stage by rather strange and unfortunate circumstances and want to drag us back on the pretext that it is childish behaviour and there are other pertinent issues to be discussed. I ask the question, who is fooling who?
They are all the same.:((:((:((:((
SATA 75% ..CHILUBA 25%
Best analysis written so far. No further comments.
Answer: no one is fooling any one!
Admittedly there will be an interesting circus between FTJ and Sata till the election, this will add to the ‘entertainment’ which the POST have always identified in Zambian politics until now.
Articulate, well structured and well argued. Just one factual correction. The Northern Ireland First Minister has not resigned. He took six weeks leave in the wake of his wife’s scandal but he is now back in office. He was involved in the recent agreement about policing and justice in the province.
A very good contribution by Anthony Kasonde. Is’nt it strange how someone’s private life becomes the subject of national interest? After all has been said about who did what in the past, what remains is a paradoxical sacarsm devoid of any positive development for Zambia’s future.
I’m a bit baffled as to what the author is trying to say here…. 8-|
I blame the media for covering Chiluba and Sata. The former is a criminal and latter has exceeded his expiry date.
The media should focus on individuals doing positive things for Zambia.
Unbelievable how much time is being wasted on this political buffoonery. Honestly what is there to “analyze” about pure nonsense. We are giving these political charlatans too much credit. There is nothing to analyze about buffoonery. Sata is a scoundrel in line with his party name “Patriotic Front”, and as Samuel Johnson said “patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”. Then Chiluba is Zambia’s most discredited coon. Put the two together you can smell the garbage a mile away! Why is the author trying to make an “intelligent analysis” of nonsense. Garbage in Garbage out (GIGO!). As for HH, he is a student of Sata so nothing to analyze there either. Let’s move on if we can. Misisi Compound is flooding…our citizens are in poverty.
# 9 you are right, time to move on. Enough of this same story, Zambia needs development please.
One forged papers the other didn’t. One should be in prison by now. I have to see what my husband is up to mwebantu. Definitely not bonking like Chiluba or George Kunda.
HH responded in the post. The records are there at Grant thorton . So imwe Ba Kasonde mwa feluka on this one. There is no need for HH to respond thru the media on the companies transcations. Nonsense !!
Awe ba Mbuzi mulimbushi chacine. My husband would knock you out.
#11,13 Mrs Magic – Are you a desperate housewife? Tell us your opinions not what your husband can do.
Any sensible media should not be covering this nonsense about the clown and the dwarf. Enough.
#14 Mr Magic is really magic. I love him. He knows how to treat a lady. Not you my brother.
My wife please keep away from this site.
And when did Sata and Chiluba become two people?
Through out Chiluba’s term in office, these two breathed, eat, slept, dreamt, and advanced the same archaic form of politics, and thuggery! None of them is squeaky clean.
Who is fooling who?–well, the answer is; only themselves and the gullible.
Neither Chiluba nor Sata seems repentant enough of their past sins. They are still behaving and acting like they are the stars of Zambian political theater without “political skeletons” in their closets. And shame on us, Zambians, to have allowed them space to continue their petty and childish form of politicking.
CANT WE ALL MOVE ON FROM THESE OLD “MIDALAS” AND FIND OURSELVES LEADERS WE ALL CAN BE PROUD OF? RECYCLED POLITICIANS HAVE KILLED THE ZAMBIAN DREAM FOR FAR TOO LONG!
Mr Magic you know I love you.
Awe Mr Yamba kwati ka vocabulary takali bwino. My husband is says he is free to help if you want.
Oops! Says he is!
Mrs Magic:
Kiss my ass!! You hear!!
I dont see the reason why the ArchBishop should apologies, he was not the one making children with Sata. HH is Clean like it or not. Sata has his past Chiluba the short goat has his past as well, but If I were to choose between Alabee and Sata I would go for the Cobra atleast I have seen him working.
The whole idea of announcing who was doing who in public is very pathetic that’s why Zed will never develop.
The way I look at this issue is that it is a deliberate ploy by MMD to diverge attention from RB. The real scandal is why a reigning head of state would befriend a convicted thief(ref: London Judgment), a wife snatcher, suspected murderer, human rights abuser, trickster etc. In a civilized democracy RB would have been forced to resign. Unfortunately in Zed the head of state is openly declaring his admiration for such a person and even shielding him from prosecution and everyone accepts it as normal. These are the issues that should concern us. These are the issues that require honest answers. Bedroom antics or failure to comment on whether a former head of state paid a company money or not may matter but it can not be compared to befriending a well known dodgy character.
This analysis is all crap! I mean who in his right mind can at this moment in Zambian history ever take Chiluba seriously and more so what he says. Chiluba is a convicted criminal and right now his rightful place is prison. Whatever he is doing is simply trying to hoodwink people who have very low critical thinking calibre like Kasonde. Chiluba is absolute trash and I would like to think every reasonable and serious minded person would treat him as such and not waste time flipping through the gabbage that comes out of his mouth. Rupiah is eqaully foolish to think such a scoundrel in the name of Chiluba will help him win an election. When we are done with Rupiah, Chiluba will surely get very specific matching orders to where he and his stolen wife belong, Chimbokaila!!
Ba Kasonde, this circus was NOT started by FTJ, it was started by Sata through the Post and FTJ had to respond. I think ba Sata has more to lose than FTJ. He should not have started this battle.
Sata is a disaster for Zambia’s political system. That a buffoon can be a presidential candidate then there is a need to accept that mediocrity prevails on our political scene. In that case how do we move forward. Do we allow thieving, unintelligent kaponya’s to set the agenda or do we go knuckles off. Chiluba has shown that you can only destroy a snake by going for it’s head(in this case he went for the head in the trouser) but it is safe that credible leadership has not yet risen in Zambia. One big reason for this is tribal nonsense. People will support a fool just becoz they feel entitled to run the affairs of the nation at the expense of the rest of the country. The truth is that a candidate like Sata would not come from any other province. He is an insult to intelligent and well…
…It is safe to say…..
We need to scrutinise these chaps who aspire for office in Zambia and not succumb to this culture of creating cult figures. How can someone who can’t read let alone write be entrusted with the presidency
Pan your par Chiluba
LT your articles should be summarised and edited to enable us read. you lost me in the intro and didn’t bother reading further.
#24, point! Kasonde is a BIG ZERO. He is a cadre for FTJ. The Bishop must not be involved. The Catholic Church is not a kantemba Church like BIGOGA where chiluba attends. HH owes no one any statement. Kabimba owes you not statement or appologies. Sata need nopt to response to your nonses. In your dreams, PF-UPND PACT is not loosing the election. You and your RB, you are gone come 2011
All Chiluba said,was too petty and childish.
You have your facts wrong! It was not Chiluba who started it. It was Sata when he said Chiluba stole someones wife!
Yebo #32. It was Sata who started it all.
Ba Kasonde, this i mean this was a well written article and the citizens have been empowered by these revelations…its up to the zambian people to decide come 2010 to vote for a moraly right standing individual to plot one. Bu chende shall not be tolerated in plot one!
I have no comments because all I know is that they are both playing political soccer!
The author is completely wrong. Chombela Nganda is not a state secret. Mr. Sata’s history is not a state secret either. This whole thinbg started with Sata accusing FTJ of stealing someones wife. FTJ retaliated by stating how Sata has a second home contrary to Catholic requirements. #31 why did you not complain that Sata was being petty and childish when he accused FTJ of stealing someones wife? The reality is that if FTJ’s campaign for RB was not working, then Sata would have ignored it. Right now the PF grass roots in Ndola and Kalulushi are leaning toward FTJ. This is what has prompted Sata to attack the morality of FTJ’s marriage to Regina. Lets get real and stop hiding from the truth.
But why should Archbishop Mpundu apologise? And for what? The sister’s business was her own, and had nothing to do with him. Why should he apologise for her misdeeds? And the whole incident with HH does not make sense. Is it that Chiluba was accused of pocketing the USD12m, or that he improperly paid it? Because if he was accused of stealing it, he could sipmly have produced the evidence to show where and how the payment was made. GT as receivers of the mine were entitled to a percentage of the sale proceeds. Someone kindly clarify this issue because I am blank on the details
This is not even a story. Should I really care who Chiluba, Sata or RB is bonking? Absolutely not. I want to know what Sata & HH will do in terms of infrastructure development, poverty reduction, education, health, manufacturing, mining, faming, commerce & trade, tourism, housing & many other industry sectors. The sooner they go to convention the better it is for them to sell their agenda with a united front not these petty issues about which woman or wife Chiluba stole & who Sata bonked. This is not being serious with development in our country.
Its a shame to see what we try to debate, there are more serious issues to channel our energy to. This should be in a gossip column of a magazine not front page news. The media is the one perpetuating this despicable cleaning of dirty laundry in public.
It seems a normal sweeping statement to make but when you analyse it, it appears to be suggesting that Dr Mwanawasa did not respect the independence of the judiciary and hence would have prevailed on the Judge to convict Dr Chiluba at whatever cost. I do not think that is fair on Dr Mwanawasa although it is fair to say he may have handled the issue of the appeal differently.
Infact you have misjudged kabimba and unfairly so! He mearnt LPM respected the independence of the judiciary! Chiluba is guilty and Banda prevailed over magistrate Kafunda! If you are prevy to the happenings(Kafunda adjurnmemt, Banda’s Pronouncement) before chiluba’s questionable aquittal, you will know what i mean.
Well analysed. And may I just ask that, if some people feel that this analysis is a waste of time why read it? Let those who think its not a waste of time comment please!
Yes we need a leader but not HH in a party which has vowed that its leader can only be a Tonga bull. They are shameless self confessed tribalists. We don’t need need such leaders in this day and age where we are supposed to entegrate and live together as one nation. Shame on you Tonga Bulls that’s why you won’t get the chance to lead this Country with backwardness of tribal politics
After reading this artical for the third time I have come to conclud that its just MMD propergander useless,they want to turn us away from the dying people in the flooded parts of Zambia.
#41. You are not making sense.The only way people can comment is by reading the artilce. Whether they like it or not is another issue !
King Cobra is definitely going to pull out of this desperate ploy to damage him, Cobra is taff tested, FTJ wacepa sana if you think those wild acusations can harm the Cobra. If the Cobra was incapable and imoral why did you work with him so closely. He was your right hand man but today because you want favours from the corrupt tribalist RB, today to turn against Sata and you claim to a Christian, God will judge you for this nonsence. You can’t work with Prophet TB Jos of SCOAN
Instead of campaigning and telling us what they will the unlikely event that they get into Government, PF or is it the Pact are busy calling Chiluba names. Mind you Chiluba is not your competitor.
#45 Have you forgotten how Chiluba outwitted Sata and instead chose Levy Presidence? Sata achepa sana.
attention is being diverted from the real issues by constantly looking at such rubbish. Ba Kasonde would have done a good job by writing an article this long on issues such as the floods being experinced. FTJ is way past his “sell by date” and should just be locked up.
Did you know zambia experienced some mad slides in Mpulungu or Mbala and our military personnel were using explosives to try and get to the survivors….surely???
#43, Not everything you dont like is MMD propaganda. This is a clear culmination of poor leadership qualities in Sata. We have begged PF to start creating structures, have committee meetings and declare party positions as opposed to sitting and waiting for Sata to decide everything. In PF, there is no order. There is just Sata and he does what he wants. Now he has decided to ignore his poorly performing councils and MP’s who are ignoring floods in their constituencies, and has chosen to delve into FTJ’s bedroom. Will talk of who FTJ married sort out the floods? Yaba! We are in for doom with Sata and this is why we support the educational qualification for president.
FTJ hand picked late Mwanawasa and Mwanawasa picked RB,so it actually means FTJ picked both of them thats why RB pays too much homage to FTJ.Just watch the space,RBs successor will be picked by FTJ again.So who is the Boss?Guess
Mr .Anthony Kasonde, you have tried to be impartial in your comments but one can see that you are on Mr. Chiluba’s side. Please don’t refer to him as DR.
You allude to Bishop Mpundu as having made a mistake on the issue of Mr. Sata having children with the Bishop’s sister. This shows how little you know about the Catholic Church’s operations. Bishop Mpundu cannot partake in family discussions per se, because as Catholic Priest all of are his children including his biological family. He can only get involved if he is approached on spiritual concerns. You must understand that a Catholic Priest cannot litigate or sue.
On Wynter Kabimba referring to the 1991 elections again here you are building a mountain out of a mole hill. What Wyinter said is true of the situation at that time…
these guys are just the same. they have been friends and the know each other well.
. Besides Dr. Kaunda used to stand against a frog and used to win by 75% which means 25% of us preferred the FROG. Your aim here is to punch holes in the PF.
HH- If HH had mis conducted himself at Grant Thornton, why did Chiluba leave it to this day to comment? To me HH came out tops when he answered Chiluba. All the same you really took your time.
The writer of this article is very correct 100%,but for me it is all childish to devulge imformation that you kept for some one who was so close to you.Sorry i’m not insulting but it is like keeping a secret of either your wife or husband such as urinating on the bed and when you differ, you now devulge it to the Public. So chiluba will never mature in his dealings.Why did’nt he tell the nation for the 10 yrs they worked togather? so this to me is Childish
Chiluba wants protection period!!Becareful people, he worked with Sata closely for 10 years why did he not relieve him of his duties?Chiluba knows what will happen to him once Rupiah is out of power and that’s is the reason why he is busy campaining for MMD.We should not forget so early and easily, this guy Chiluba is up to no good at all but self interest.His marriage was destroyed whilst at state house,he also had many children from different women.Who is he to talk about Sata?What kind of the head of state who can grab somebody’s wife?Does he realise the damage he has brought to the Mwanza family and embarassment he caused to this nation?Zambians need to teach these politicians lessons and time to act should start now.We have been mismanaged for too long!!
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Iyeeeee!! ala only God will save us from these self centered people.
Do we need to know how many women Sata or Chiluba has made babies with???? is this in national interest????
A priest was being honoured at his retirement dinner after 25 years in the Parish. A leading local politician and member of the congregation was chosen to make the presentation and give a little speech at the dinner. He was delayed, so the priest decided to say his own few words while they waited. ‘I got my first impression of the parish from the first confession I heard here. I thought I had been assigned to a terrible place. The very first person to enter my confessional told me he had stolen a television set and when questioned by the police, was able to lie his way out of it. He had stolen money from his parents, embezzled from his employer, had an affair with his boss’ wife, taken illegal drugs and he had given VD to his sister. ..cont’
Cont….fro # 58.I was appalled. But as the days went on I knew that my people were not all like that and I had, indeed, come to a fine parish full of good and loving people.’
Just as the priest finished his talk, the politician arrived full of apologies at being late. He mmediately began to make the presentation and gave his talk. ‘I’ll never forget the first day our parish priest arrived,’ said the politician. ‘In fact, I had the honour of being the first one to go to him in confession….. Everybody burst into laughter Moral of the story: DON’T BE LATE for meetings. God Bless your day.
Mwe bantu, no devaition from the matter at hand! Next year MMD zwaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
PACT is taking over. PERIOD!!!
#40, Zebron Nakadoli Samson. i agree, Kabimba was asserting that LPM wouldn’t have meddled with the Judiciary like RB shamelessly did, though he tried to on the controversial Sokoni letter. We can’t try Chiluba ourselves, but everyone knows that the cases that are/were in court are only an iceberg of what his 10year reign espoused. He must answer the questions that have clouded the Zambian conscious the last decade before trying to sway us from the real issues.
Ba Zambia Comedy 2
:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d Zambians have become jokers
Why cant FTJ and Sata emulate RB? RB is a very quite man and very hard working. Attacking each other will not take us anywhere! Let us concentrate on developing this Nation. Floods are all over cities and councilors are just watching full of excuses waiting for the next campaign to be in the office. We need the AUDIT Report soonest so that proper measures are put in place to ratify flood problems.
To say Chiluba and Sata are the same is wrong. Sata is a chancer while Chiluba is a dribbler. This time Sata chanced an inocent young girl using is ministral status while his friend dribbled another man. Sorry Mr. Sata your friend was luck coz it happened when he was at plot 1 already but you are not going there.
Well articulated. But plz lets not waist time on rubish. All these things were supposed to have being sorted out way back in 1993 or their about. Mr Kafupi or whatever nonsense you call him is just desparate for freedom. If he knew that the waiting President Hon Sata was that ill Y didnt he react when he was still president. They are real issues that deserve much attention out. Go to Soweto Market, Msisi ,Kanyama, John lenge, Chaisa, Garden etc. and see how people are suffering. Such are areas which deserves one’s time. I think am waisting my time on this silly kafupi issue. Jail is waiting 4 pipo like him. Am out!!!
Who is fooling who? The answer is, the Zambian politicians and the Zambian media.
number 66 u rite
iye lelo uwushiku my wife woke up to drink water.i have ba uncle visiting for some days,elo ba uncle vala perfomer in front of my wife.lyonse his asking me why i chose to marry umusungu.so ba uncle we left him watching tv last nyt asuasual,ba madamu is pregnant and she is getting thirsty these days,so she went mu kitcheni, but achimona light mu tv room,so decided to check,iye,ayisa a sanga ba uncle watching porn bane,elo ninshi vale chita fwa fwa fwa, eeye achi punda, na bena ba uncle shock vayisa va punda, ati mayoooooo tata lesa, ine i ran to see what was wrong. when i reached ba uncle couldnt hold it bane, he had reached pa climax pa ku nona, and u knw bane, there are no breaks,facial expression yaba uncle just looked excited and embarrased at the same time, ya he mesd carpet. deuces…
#61 aKTekt: Sir have you read what one litigant has called the Zambian High Court Judges? That is exactly what we all feel about our judiciary. Thank for your point- LEVY WOULD HAVE LET JUSTICE TAKE IT’S LOGICAL COURSE. One thing- you know I over heard some chaps at my local club(CB) whispering that Ka Chiluba has a lot of money which he is ready to dish out to those supporting him. From this you can see where Chiluba’s apparent support is eminetting from.
I agree that Chiluba would be rotting in jail if Levy was alive and there is no desrespect in that statement, Justice was buried with levy and at the moment we do not have any confidence in our laws so my dear observer you better shut up about that issue. you can analyse whatever you want but leave out JUSTICE because you are annoying us even more, and you know what? its true anything could have gone into office in 1991 and that is the exact situation in Zambia at the moment, so dont be surprised if SATA wins 2011
#69 Deja Vu, I suppose it makes more sense that MMD is eyeing Kafupi as a financier when the govt finally gives him back OUR monies. Otherwise, they wouldn’t just put their popularity on the line by taking a bullet for a man who raped our judiciary, constitution, economy & moral fibre. I don’t buy the nonsense that Chiluba can deliver Luapula & CB to MMD, that’s utter hogwash. Even those ‘ex-miners’ he’s decided to be ‘concerned’ about know that their miseries emanate from his doings…
#56, I can see you when WWE superstars are in action. I support your comment on this issue.
Have a good day!
ala Zambians mwalikwata imiponto kwena=)). Some oth the comments here awe:))
ba LT, you needn’t censor innocent verbs like r a p e d on 71. what am I supposed to say?
# 71 aKTect- Thanx again. You see the script reads like a James Hardley Chase novel or worse still like Isdingo on our local Telly. Use Kafupi’s money since Zamtel will be in private hands and then ditch him after the elections. He will be of no use then.Watch that 8m USD and Katumbi’s billions and see how these monies will move from place to place.
Thumbs up AK – Anthony Kasonde good piece of writing. Go ahead and give old man cycle mata some tuition.
Thumbs up AK – Anthony Kasonde good piece of writing. Go ahead and give old man cycle mata some tuition. Very balanced piece….most objective!
My Opinon: Anthony Kasonde and LT have ganged up to start campaigning in favour of MMD or this Anthony Kasonde is an LT staffer.
Why: When I read this document, I am reminded of ZNBC prior to the 2008 presidential bye-election. The chaps were digging in the archives to select Sata alkward moments in interviews and those moments sata really messed up .:-t
Fact 1: The prevailing situation between Sata and his bro criminal Kafupi puts Sata in an alkward position. kafupi has nothing to lose.
Fact 2: Every other politician percieved as enermies today were once feeding on the same table.
Fact 3: There is nothing peculiar in the pic above. Stuff happens.
Fact 4: Kafupi is RB’s political gimick aimed at distructing the un suspecting PF leader from aiming at RB. Sata grow up man.:-??:-@
Guard against to much:-t
Play %-( whenever kafupi opens his mouth.
Perhaps Zambians will see a Kabwesi ^:)^ in you
I will surely applaud =d>your stance of ignoring this ka chap.
Else I will laugh at you:))
Iam talking to you SATA
Be smart b-)
else :-??
🙂
Now what goes around always finds its way back around. This nasty debate, while putting SATA at the crossroads of his political career, must be encouraged so that the ills done by the two leaders’ 10year reign can be brought to light. Stuff like who murdered who and who stole how much from the Govt coffers.;):d/
What goes around, comes back around :d/ God is great.
Take a leaf from the two leaders above. Then imagine RB and G.Kunda or Akulu mphuno Rev Shikapwasha throwing rubbish and mud at each other. Already a Pure and perfect example is already at play here where G.Mpombo and RB are always fighting in the papers.
Then Anthony Kasonde ignores that to pick it up from the Kafupi-Sata latest unfortunate incidence.[-(
This scenario stands not extraordinary in Zambian politics today and days to come when even Anthony Kasonde will be no more.:-w The biggest question here is who are losing it?:-?
Ans:
1: Sata for not reading between the lines, peharps he has already got it.
2: The Zambian people and courts for not having chiluba as a former Boss to zip his mouth constitutionally.
3: Zambian media houses LT inclusive for lack of ethics.
Is it that journalism ethics are too difficult to understand? or there is a thin line between media ethics and calling a spade a spade. I guess my point is our reporting in zambia is to messy. It has politically decided to take sides. It has become increasing difficult for me to listen to ZNBC let alone reading newpapers in Zambia both private and govt. The content is always divisive.
I find peace of heart watching and listening from foreign media. Thanks to satelite TV.
Radio Phoenix has tried to do the real job though. A bit of Muvi TV also makes sense.
This is my personal view and I take responsibility for any letter printed in this comment. Like it or not.:-w
# 68 Walai nthwenu – what a story you have made my day. Ala wansekesha at least away from these politics.
This whole thing started with Sata accusing FTJ of stealing someones wife. FTJ retaliated by stating how Sata has a second home contrary to Catholic requirements. The reality is that if FTJ’s campaign for RB was not working, then Sata would have ignored it. Right now the PF grass roots in Ndola and Kalulushi are leaning toward FTJ and MMD. This is what has prompted Sata to attack the morality of FTJ’s marriage to Regina. Lets get real and stop hiding from the truth.
Zedians i just wounder why they dont even put thre cards on General Miyanda.this man has a good passion for Zambia seem to be not corrupt.Now you have been diverted from talking about bread and butter issues.The master dribler as emerged poking his machinations on the scene.surely who can benefit from knowing which women are being screwed in ndola?when roads in our compounds are dilapidated,cars have out numbered the roads in our city causing congestion.Why not strip out the rail line which was being used by njanji commuter train and build a Road that leads to town so as to lessen congestion.Please lets talk real issues or else Omu akaponoka :-t come 2011.
Nice analysis and all I have to write is that Mr PF/MC Sata must tell the Nation, Zambia, the whole truth about the allegations levelled against him. As for Mr Chiluba FTJ, a crime does not rot and so let us wait and see.
On Mr UPND president HH, there is really nothing that needs to be done on that alleged lack of leadership on protecting others for he conducted himself very well by not commenting on issues that were in courts of law.
Have a blessed day all.
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Matt But seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.
HH stands out and wins in this case…chiluba and sata are fooling each other!!
Mean while… MMD wins again…
100 families relocated to flood free land
By NOMSA NKANA
MORE than 100 families in Lusaka who were affected by floods have been evacuated to a temporary campsite outside the Independence Stadium.
Lusaka district commissioner Christah Kalulu confirmed at a press briefing in Lusaka yesterday that the families will be evacuated in batches of 20 and that they will be accommodated at the site until July 1 this year.
She said about 150 families have so far registered for evacuation.
Ms Kalulu said the first people to be evacuated will be from Chawama Constituency because it is the worst hit.
She said the District Disaster Management Committee has been pumping out water from the affected areas for the past three weeks without much success as the…
…water has been regenerating with the ongoing rains.
“As a disaster committee, we sought permission to relocate the flood victims,” she said.
Ms Kalulu said the flooded areas have become inhabitable and the situation warrants the intervention of the Disaster Management and Mitigation Unit (DMMU).
She, however, said the campsite is meant for short-term relief as the flood victims will be expected to return to their homes after the rains subside.
“This is not a permanent site. Our plan is to continue pumping out water in the affected areas while the people are at the site,” Ms Kalulu said.
During the briefing, Ms Kalulu said the office of the Vice President has mobilised resources to set up about 100 tents, mobile toilets, ablution blocks, and cooking utensils for…
…the flood victims.
Ms Kalulu said it was not government’s intention to see people suffer and that is why it has called on various stakeholders to help alleviate the suffering of the people affected by the floods.
She said the problems caused by the floods cannot be handled by DMMU alone as they are immense.
Ms Kalulu commended the Zambia Red Cross Society, the Zambia Army and other cooperating partners who have worked tirelessly to ease the burden on DMMU.
She said the Disaster Risk Reduction was launched last year to chart a way forward to curb some of the disasters which have been occurring annually as a result of floods.
And some of the victims spoken to expressed gratitude to Government for relocating them.
Earlier, Zambia Red Cross Secretary General Charles…
…Mushitu said Government has requested his organisation to manage the camping site.
He said because of the Red Cross’ mandate to alleviate human suffering, Government saw it fit to engage its services in managing the camp.
Mr Mushitu said the Red Cross will provide screening services, first aid and other basic amenities so that the peoples’ livelihood is not eroded.
Viva RB, Viva MMD! Abash PF and its thieving City Council. PF councilors & MP’s have failed their electorate. They have eaten the rates & taxes we paid them!
The UPND, the PF and their pact have still not told us what they will do differently from the MMD. All they preach is “CHANGE”. Well there must be a valid reason for change or it can lead to a worse disaster! I will throw my vote behind RB if these guys cant get their act together.
Chiluba was NOT a statesman and WILL NEVER be one. Did this little midget understand the role of a President as an appointing authority? Aren’t the same things he is talking about Sata today the things that led to Mwanawasa’a resignation from government. Who is the real thief between Chiluba and Sata? The answer is Chiluba because he abated crimnal activities among his surbordinates by claiming NOT to have evidence. Where has the evidence he did not have at the time come from today? The REAL reason why he shielded thieves at the time is that they never disagreed with him and he could use them in his dirty chicannery. What a nuisance CHILUBA has been and why do we even still tolerate him. Zambia worries me!!! RB send him yto jail and make make yourself popular without being blackmailed.
30, The bishop Telesphore must answer his part. He has been one of the most virulent critics of government (which for our present purposes is RB) whilst appearing to support Sata. We want to know whether Telesphore Mpundu was influenced by his relationship to Sata, chi mulamu if you like. And why he has not respected the rules of eucharist. He has been the most base of all Archbishops I have ever known in Zambia, even flirting with the Post
Sata must retire. He is old and used up. the PF/UPND thown must be left to HH. We will support the pact headed by HH against RB and his MMD. Viva Pact, Viva HH for pact presidency. Abash FTJ, Sata & RB!
Excellent article. Always good to hear views fron another angle.
Also good command of English language. Impressed.
Actually HH is the right person to head the pact. The only problem is that all the Bemba’s will ditch the pact for MMD because UPND is intolerant to other tribes. MMD is much more accomodating of other tribes and it has a very powerful Bemba presence in the party. Just my observation.
#93 Mwamba Mulenga. Sta cannot bring change. Remember he only left MMD because he was not given the presidency by FTJ.
HH is the only person who can bring change. But I dont think he will be presidential candidate on PACT ticket. And UPND cannot win elections on their own ticket.
Best combination would be HH as PACT presidential candidate. But will PF cadres stomach that?
Thank you #97.
I did not write it though.
It is from our local newspapers.
Thanks again.
#11 you are nuts! thats naughty!
post 101,meant #100
I have always asked for honest. Look at how some of you are trying to avoid what FTJ raised. Let HH tell us indeed whether this money was paid and for what purpose.I agree FJT has a point,We want an explaination
I think Dr Chiluba has a point so far as HH has continued not to clarify this issue. It is not in dispute that HH was a senior partner at Grant Thornton at the time the money in issue was alleged to have been paid. The charge alleged that when the money in question was paid it did not come through the Receiver as expected. Now all HH needs to clarify is whether his firm did receive that money and whom it was paid to. HH was not being asked to say things to favour or disfavour Dr Chiluba…just the plain fact. Dr Chiluba alleges that this was not done.
Levy was a cabbage
Sata had this coming ladies and gentlemen he has been calling his friends names in the post and when he was hit back were is he? running to the same courts that he has been saying are useless.We need answers issues were raised only fools will over look this. Let him use the post to answer since he has been it as his tool for insulting others i have no pity for people like that sorry.
Ba LT, just a simple comment for you: You cant refer to Chiluba as ‘Dr’ and then Refer to Kaunda as ‘Mr’ in one sentence. If you want to recognise their honarary degrees then do to both others just call both ‘Mr’
So ba Cobra does it mean we as taxpayers will have to foot state security for those 2 ‘out of wedlock’ children in Ndola. Are there any more, or should we be finding out through FTJs loud mouth again?
see, now Cobra, you have made bishop Mpundu a complete fool, all his statements supporting you will now be viewed in the light of him trying to get his nephews to state house. chabipa, mudala wilapela amfumo, naukula, mlefwalako protection bane, no ba Zuma…
You have 2 Options (1). To rise up and resolve to Change or (2). To continue with the Status quo. We need to rise up and reclaim this Country from a tandem of Thieves and get back our Money which continues been stolen. It’s only a government under Satta that can do that.
This desparation is ABOUT PROTECTING THIEVES as opposed to serving the Zambian people. Sata is our only dream to reclaim the Zambian dream where everyone will be given a chance to prosper. LONG LIVE ZAMBIA.
Kasonde!! Your article has a bit of sense as well as nonsense,you as a writer u hv shown clearly that,u know sumthing about the two *****s!rite?
But u dislike de other Fool ed u @ trying by all means 2 bring in de tribe issue on HH,Y?
@ u a fault finder or a reporter?
4 Dr Kabimba,u know wat u want from de pipo 2 see in him,which is nt true at all.
Give de church a break in foolish issues of shagging;who shagged who?who fathered the……!Stupid part of de article…..or its a nude way of supporting FTJ.
Anthony!plse dn’t turn our nice LT into FTJ’s kamwa,…bring out real issues. **==
#108 how does replacing one bunch of theives with another, help Zambia? Are you for real? Zambia will die under Sata because MMD will dissintegrate and defect to PF. With no opposition, how will we fight corruption? How will we develop our country? PF/UPND make a good opposition and this is where they belong. MMD can never make a good opposition as it will just diminish like UNIP.
I’ll vote MMD so that PF/UPND remain to form a strong opposition to assure checks and balances are maintained. This is what Zambia needs.
MMD for Zambia’s development VIVA RB. VIVA MMD come 2011.
It’s not a question of WHO did what. What Zambia and the Zambian people need come post 2011 is a president who can perform to expectation, a hard working person and a team player. Then only then, should people even start thinking about ‘Degree holder’. Every Zambian do have a right to a healthy living instead of living in poverty and disease. We need someone who can give the Zambian people hope, pride above all, a sense of belonging – being a Zambian.
these two will be friends again… and those of you wanting change – wouldnt have achieved anything…
ba Tito, ni ba “mu selela kwa ka ba…” where the power is – is where he is.
thats why H.H shouldnt have made this pact – but stayed independent mwe… something totally different. bati nomba awe sure… jnr cobra.