MMD Parliamentary Chief Whip Vernon Mwaanga has said that politics is a practical subject that requires leaders to respond to realities on the ground if they are to remain relevant.
Reacting to United Party for National Development (UPND) president Hakainde Hichilema’s ascertion that a pact between the MMD and the UPND is imposible, Mr Mwaanga said the opposition party leader will learn the realities with more experience.
“My 50 years in the politics of our country have shown me that politics is a practical subject and leaders must respond to realities on the ground if they are to remain relevant.
“I am deeply conscious that I have had a different political experience from HH (Hichilema), who is relatively new in the politics of Zambia and Southern Province. He will learn with age and more experience, being the intelligent person he is and who enjoys my utmost respect,” Mr Mwaanga said in a statement released yesterday.
He said that in a modern society, leaders have to listen to all views and it does not matter whether they agree with them or not.
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“I am deeply conscious that I have had a different political experience from HH (Hichilema), who is relatively new in the politics of Zambia and Southern Province. He will learn with age and more experience, being the intelligent person he is and who enjoys my utmost respect,” Mr Mwaanga said in a statement released yesterday.[/pullquote]
Last week Mr Mwaanga said that UPND members in 11 districts in Southern Province want their party to get into an alliance with the MMD. Mr Hichilema was quoted in yesterday’s edition of The Post as saying that was overstepping his limits.
But Mr Mwaaga has said that at no time did he suggest that he represents all the people of Southern Province because no-one does.
“I based my comments on the discussions I have had with a number of southerners who volunteered their views to me and expressed personal preferences about the kind of electoral alliance they would like to see in 2011.
“It was their view, that an MMD-UPND alliance was more natural because of the similarities in the policies of the two parties,” he said.
Mr Mwaanga said it was also their view that such an alliance would be more reassuring to investors in that it would point in the direction of protecting the growth and economic gains made by the MMD government under both presidents Levy Mwanawasa and Banda.
“They by and large recognised that although the two parties still have political differences on such issues as the Mufumbwe by-election events and violence in general, there was room to bridge these differences in the interest of putting Zambia first by doing what is right for our country as a whole,” he said.
Mr Mwaanga said that it is important to lay a solid foundation for future generations of Zambians.
“I may not be there personally but I owe it to future generations of Zambians to help lay a solid foundation for their future and that of generations yet unborn. It is part of my patriotic duty and I will not shy away in performing it for the sake of our common future and values we share as Zambians.
“It is not about me. It is not about any individual leader. It is about our future, our people and our country now and always.”
[Zambia Daily Mail]
Ichilema is an embattled political novice flattered by clueless extremists like Beyani, Sejani and madyenkhu. I don’t expect him to even understand the ground he is waffling from. Posterity will judge him harshly.
Diaspora community is partially to blame for this disastrous ongoing civil anarchy in opposition parties, we are all good at writing about our beloved country as an audience all we do is to read and ignore the vicious and senseless none issue driven politics of the opposition parties we should be challenging them for institutional transformation.
The Diaspora community has “some” exposed and intellectually grounded patriots among them who should have been making intelligent deduction from goose chase of HakaSata. No doubt the majority of them are clueless trolls flattering these none issue chaps in the pact because the useless ones are products of natural failure, insults, hopelessness and illiteracy which domiciliation has not helped alter their life challenges.
VJ 50 years in politics and what have you achieved besides being a drug dealer?
As exposed citizens the Diaspora should have been rational and constructive in defending democracy with virtues and democratic norms absent in opposition politics. The culture of rewarding immature failed leaders, gormlessly talking and insulting the Zambian Presidency and statesmen who know so much and counsel out of a wealth of knowledge must be stopped. Look at Ichilema clueless as he is, he thinks insults will deliver him from his entrapments of doom.
#3 We are clueless trolls? Are you sure. I think Senior Citizen/Veteran/Mwata/Patriot you are the biggest TROLL on this site and everybody knows it and here is a definition for a troll from Wikipedia in case you don’t know and just see how it fits you perfectly
A troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Your VJ has just realised the danger to NND the pact posses and RB has put VJ specifically to break down the PACT. Rigging version 2 wont work in 2011, so distract HH. That is the command VJ is under
Can some öne tell this VJ the drug dealer that we no long need him all his friends have retired no one is wants to know about his exprience just **** off it is a very well known fact that you are a very broke man.
The Zambia opposition of today deserves rebuke, rejection and deposing from democracy to inoculate their unelected, self declared leadership when we all know they are just tribal looters and tribal warlords in waiting. They are undesirable anti- democracy discombulated elements without value. They must be democratically replaced with progressive leadership, visionary with accountable polity that can stand with value to the progressive politics of MMD. We need to act quickly by standing up to this gaumless anarchy of tribalism the PACT embody and promulgating.
Until and unless these tribal militia masquerading as a pact leaders when they are undisguised charlatans are systematically replaced with more progressive minds willing to serve as dynamic alternatives, are we are in for a long haul of opposition circus in the name of open dociety democracy.
Vernon Johnson Maliko Simakulika Mwaanga, better known as Vernon Mwaanga or by his ubiquitous initials VJ, may sound intelligent but really, he is just playing tribal politics. What he is saying is that if HH goes into a pact with the MMD, he is guaranteed the 2016 presidency. Waloba ilyauma chigili, HH ni zee maningi mu 2011.
True PF cadre,
Your Ichilema is not UPND and UPND is not your Ichilema. That gormless myth is for Sata who is PF and PF is him. Pull parliamentary debates and see that progressive UPND enjoy a cordial working relationship with fellow progressive and inclusive MMD even where your Ichilema has issued personalized orders in vain.When Hon.Mwaanga talk of an alliance he is not talking of one with immature Ichilema moved by personal ego and flattery. Hon.Mwaanga is promulgating the call of progressive UPND at variance with Ichilema’s confusion. These are in active discourse with ruling MMD. Your Ichilema can retain his marriage to Sata or shove to hell that would not stand in the future of progressive members of UPND.
FYI there are no bills or standing orders you can show me where PF and UPND have shown consesus of reasoning and policy. Relate the same to MMD-UPND voting pattern. Actually 85% of UPND legislatures who are progressive see public say Sata and his legion is just a rascal mismatching their high caliber of UPND. Do you really think Hon. Jack Mwiimbu, Mutanga, Emmanuel Hachipuka would be a colleage of Chishimba Kambwili, Jean Kapata, Mumbi Phiri, Willie Nsanda, Geoffrey Mwamba or Sata himself? Do you really think these would find it honorable or acceptable to work as deputy ministers to Sata’s tribal line-up in the cabinet if ever Zambians committed treason by error on the ballot only to have Sata in power?
Until the philosophy of paying attention to dissent no matter where it is coming from is abandoned, we shall forever be ruled or led by the likes of RB.I PERSONALLY have a lot of respect of VJ-he is a level headed politician abeit his other short comings, but he has the greatest forsite.many leaders have fallen because they never pay attention to the led.they think they have it all.i learnt in bemba, they say “amano yafuma mwifwesa yaya muchulu”
There is no need whatsoever for UPND to go into a pact wth MMD which has a dented image. How can a sensible person agree to to take his party into a relationship with MMD which full of thuggery, corruption, nepotism and a party which has lost favour in the eyes of right thinking Zambians? HH is very right. Party leadership needs to be in the hands of principled people. Running a party is not like managing a mandrax selling business which can be done by any unprincipled man or woman.
Senior Citizen
chikala iwe waba shani kanshi,do you even understand what you write,ubosafye kwati nimbwa,galu yachiwewe,,,nkesa kuchekaula amaso nkayapepe elyo nkaku shaute
apo upelele wemukalamba iwe shua,abakshi walikwata,nabana but your reasoning is just out of this world,you cant bring yourself so low just because you have to feed your family
wali umfwapo inyimbo yakwa Ozzy- nichitila kobili,,,,,
its good that the mmd thru vj have seen that they will not win the next presidential elections if PF-UNPND PACT stands. VJ has seen that no amount of rigging will make PACT Lose, the only option is to distabilise PACT, mmd needs UPND, but UPND does not need MMD. VJ has seen that the UPND and PF get more votes that the MMD with all its PACT partners in 2006 and 2008. We need change – and it UPND-PF pact to bring that change. UPND-PF need each other – hence it is a balanced equation. Go HH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Sata!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Granted, HH has already made a mistake by going into a pact with Sata who is a tribalist and it will worsen matters if he were to enter into a pact with MMD which is also led by another known tribalist. As someone has already stated there is nothing behind Mwaanga’s statement but having a Tonga republican president in 2016. There is nothing wrong with that but with Chiluba as MMD consultant HH stands to be dribbled. HH is advised to maintain his guard.
VJ is talking about lying a firm foundation for the future. BUT all this time he has been in politics why didnt he establish such a foundation? People should not be fooled by these selfish and failed politicians that still want to cling to power, who think there are the only ones who can rule even if their rule is marred with utter failure. The truth is that there is nothing to be proud of what these guys have done in 50 yrs.
Africa: Tribal Politics is a Recipe for Anarchy
The political strategy of the so called PACT which is based on promulgating tribalism and Insults and ethnic cleansing are parochial and point of failure in democracy. Mature democracies as ours now see tribal politics as the futility monster only synonymous with doomed politicians. It’s no surprising that there is a steadfastly growing revulsion in the country against Sata and his wife ichilema’s now without a conscious brazenly propagating tribal hatred and utopia. Instead of articulating what makes them alternatives, they have turned to without predatory politics of uncertainty and turmoil.
This said with his African politics of tribalism deep in his heart and character, ichilema should stop dragging the name of president Obama in muddu clay. Obama knows no tribalism which Ichilema personifies and thrives on.
FYI when PF MCC sits, it confirms that its meet-up of Sata’s clan at 96% of his hand picked MCC with Gay Scot a European and Given Lubinda a Mwenye from Bangladesh.In the PF-UPND PACT has blatantly and shamelessly played the tribal card for selfish reasons – to attract sympathy and get political mileage from their gullible minds they are entrapping in hopelessness with utopia.
2011 will be very tough and tenous to gain from. If Ichilema thinks he will be handled with kids glooves just because he is a novice without national cause, then his is a far fetched dream. The mandating vote will be national from every corner of the country and not Monze only tribalism has been to Ichilema.
when are we ever gonna stop refering to LPM ‘s policies can we please move on. mr mwaanga why are you so frantically want pipo to listen to you when you have had your chance for the last 50 years?it is time you retired and let the young ones also enjoy like you did. What were you doing talking to UPND members anyway?
VJ 50 years in politics what have you done for people in the southern province. You have not even achieve a vice president or even president of zambia and yet you have been in politics for 50 years. what a shame, the only achievement I can remember is when you admitted in court that you rigged the election for mwanawasa. And secondly you admitting that you are a drug dealer all these happened in 50 years. hopefully you are still in politics to continue your drug trade before you go to rest. HH is right is what he said and his pack with PF is the best. The more you talk about them the stronger they will be. Let mmd show us the developments they have done to the country. they are busy enriching themselves with donnor money
What a way of blowing up 50years, ending up as a bootlicker and unable to sustain himself outside politics. Who cam listen to Vernon’s advice? I also feel pity for the young man HH. He can’t form an alliance with MMD cause that’s a fallen party and it’s time to be the opposition; equally he has formed an alliance with a brutal savage……..it’s quiet ironic to be HH. He should learn a lesson from Nerves Mumba, who upon selling his party to Levy was fired and he has lost direction ever since. HH might go the same if he trust the Old serpent – king cobra
Breaking news!
UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema signs an aggreement to be PACT Vice President to Michael Sata in 2011. But top UPND members of the management committee, MPs, hardliner party members, traditional rulers and sympathizers in Southern province rejects the move. The match talked about revolt is brewing where Hichilema may be deposed from leadership. The people are saying they compromised with Nkumbula for KK a northerner and now its their turn.
Good question number 4.Was it not this dude who was saved from kavindele from commuting using public transport ? 50 years as Chin bwi no plan.
# 27 i mean-Good question number 4.Was it not this dude who was saved by kavindele from commuting using public transport ? 50 years as Chin bwi no plan. 😕
Those of you who are saying that VJ said UPND should form a Pact with MMD are missing the point. VJ said that it would make sense for UPND to form an alliance with MMD. He may have talked to 5 people in Southern Province but that is his sample. His advice to Mr. Hichilema is timely and sincere reminds me of what Dr. Steven Moyo told Chibamba Kanyama when MMD came to power in 1991. The problem is HH ascended to presidency of UPND corruptly and secondly, he rushed into a Pact with absence of sober analysis but a lot of greed. Come 2011 if you think the Pact will win – think again!
iwe chi Senior Citizen just shut up !! u,a very useless!! u,a full of nonsess!! yo VJ has known that there will be NO vote for mmd next year because poeple of Zambia will vote for the PACT !! you,r such a useless party(mmd) once again SENIOR CITIZEN you are a useless chap !! to hell with yo mmd !! GO PACT GO !!! GO SATA GO!! GO HH GO!! CHANGE IS CUMING NEXT YEAR!!
# 26… Desist forthwith from spreading cyberspace rumours. What breaking news are you talking about? Show us the colour of the Agreement, if you can, otherwise your comments should be dsmissed with the utmost contempt they deserve.
So it’s from a convicted criminal to a self confessed drug baron, the Party chairman is a criminal in his own right and has to be continually in a dance mode for a sitting president for him to remain outside the jail walls. The President himself is not squeak clean, his hands are always in the confers of the nation indirectly(e.g unnecessary per die ms) and possibly directly as well. So you see there is a pattern/trend here, a pattern of criminality and if we were to interpolate it within their ranks, we will wouldn’t be far from the truth if we assumed Senior Citizen, his same s.e.x partner Mr Capitalist and indeed Miss Katie Goody may have something to gain or hide for their bum-moping. Crudely put they may actually be hard core criminals and other bloggers ought to understand that…
#32
…………….Crudely put they may actually be hard core criminals and other bloggers ought to understand that these guys have families to feed abeit dishonestly hence their desperate cyber-canvassing for MMD even when its apparent they are not gaining any new votes but rather annoying everyone. In summary this kind shuffling of deck-chairs on the sinking titanic is a no brainer because even if its only for a short time at least they should have gone for a more honourable person than this bigot whose only way of survival is being a nominated MP or drug trafficker. On a bigger picture our country should be in the guiness book of records for being the longest comedy show with the biggest cast and paying Zero ngwee at the door to watch.
Senior s.h.i.t…..# 6 is right. I know there is blind loyalty , but you are just a big joke.
Mr Vernon Mwanga. You are such a hopeless and lost individual. Its sick to see you open your large urgly mouth misleading the whole nation because you want to secure your job. You are a low life who has failed to save or invest any money for yourself or secure a future for your kids even after being given so many opportunities in different governments. Get lost we are tired of seeing your urgly face you devil. People are urgly on their faces but for you even your inside is.
#32, 33
Ba LT please sort out your editing technology, ‘canva.ssing and as.sumed ‘ are not rude words. stop it, its embarrassing.
#36
hahahaha you’ve just edited ’embarra.ssing’ hahahahahhahaha
Reading entries # 30-35 and others only worsens my fear that our opposition is veryy far from being a battle ready entity with the intellect to counter and mount a gainful damage control on the ground. how will insults here help build a winning tide on the ground considering that an opposing entity has the challenge of winning apathetic souls gripped with scepticism of the alternative.incumbents can cloud the race with deviations but build on their gains. How is the opposition going to tap and lock in the apolitical zambians if all they are selling are insults? We are in for 25 years of MMD regime because the opposition has lamentably failed to define, sell and articulate itself.MMD is capitalizing on this dangerous vacuum. How will insults command votes?
To be honest, personal attacks aside. I admire Mwaanga. he is an intelligent man but he is very selfish. His selfiness costs us good leaders all the time. The tomb bells are calling already but why cant you make the last good step for the so called future of Zambia? First,It Anderson Mazoka to mention but a few..now you are after HH. Sorry MMD and UPND pact will never happen. Its really true its game over for MMD.Who ever knew that MMD could start looking for Allies? Wow ! PF-UPND pact is people´s choice not Sata or HH. 2011 here will come,VIVA mother Zambia,VIVA!
SENIOR CITIZEN….advice to you, if your aim is to gain sympathy for MMD on this blog and others, you have to change your attitude of thinking that anyone who is not MMD is stupid. If your aim is to rub salt in people’s wounds and create more enemies for MMD, then continue as always.
Its speaks volumes about yourself when you demean others. It may mean one of the following;
1. That are a rags to riches case and think you are on top of the world and others are useless
2. You were ill brought up to think that you posses the monopoly of wisdom so every one should listen to you.
3. You have no political sense and think that you can gain political sympathy by force. Look at the way VJ is doing it. He is respecting HH and not calling him names as ‘Ichilema’ thats maturity.
Think…
Rupiah is a failure having failed to run Lusaka City council as governor. Lets not even talk about his farm becuase all he had was a small garden (rape, cabbage & chibwabwa) which he used to sell in order to buy, butter, bread and sugar. Sata, -on the other hand, – turned around the fortunes of Lusaka when he took over as governor from the failed leadership of Rupiah. The city became cleaner under Sata’s leadership – an individual who did not have a degree. Wereas Rupiah was fired from government by the then President Kaunda, Sata was instead promoted to a mionisterial position. Not matter how much senior citizen would attempt to put mock Sata through redicule, the man proved his worth.
How old is Senior Citizen? could he be above 9 years? I doubt his thinking is very shallow.
Honestly, how can you speak on behalf of people you have never represented. This Man Mwanga has never been an MP anywhere in southern province because he is a reject. Wake up people these are the same guys who have kept denying us good leaders due to their selfish desires. In 2008 when there was a presidential BYE-election he said we cannot have Magande as presidential candidate because MMD will not have access to tax payers money for campaigns and that Mgande is too clean. People of Intergrity are scared of joining politics in zambia because these same jobless people like Mwanga, Katele and others have made it so dirty. HH is a man of intergrity thats why this time we need people of substance to take care of our affairs maybe we can move economically. Mwanga’s 50yrs has caused…
#Mwanga’s 50yrs of political experience has brought more misery to Zambians. We know Mr Mwanga can try his level best to have MMD in power for his own selfish benefits. What a shame on this man’s face as he makes these statements. HH man go for it we are behind you this time around.
Simple!!! let HH stand on the MMD-UPND ticket in 2011 then.
Comrade Mwaanga has already checked out. He is just waiting for his receipt.
#45 that is an idea! That is the only way MMD can defeat the pact. Why didn’t I think of that?
Is Senior Citizen part of the Diaspora community that he degrades?
# 48 MB,
Certainly going by his flag Senior Citizen is one of us the Diaspora. He knows that 98% of bloggers daily insulting here instead of driving home a smart issue based debate are in the Diaspora. on that ground he sees them as mostly useless though he acknowledges that some are smart and progressive.I must confess i share that notion too. most of us in the Diaspora here have proven useless.How much are we pulling our political leaders we support articulate policy other than insults? And do you expect SC to shy from pointing that most of us blogging from the diaspora have proved useless? Challenge him with substance. I applaud him for Power of self-criticism.
I am surprised that LT has continued to cut and paste news articles from the Zambia Daily mail and Times of Zambia, which people can access through ZAMNET just like LT.
LT will you confirm if its true that our beloved president Rupiah Bwezani Banda has died? We need to know because very close sources just imformed me of this development….
:-?senior citizen
hahahahahahahaha u funny where did you get such a story.remember what happened to one marlon zaza..carefull boi.
UPND-MMD PACT:d/:((:d/:((:((:d/:((:d/:((:((:d/:((:d/:((..I will never come back to Z
VJ should just leave MMD and join the winning team instead of wasting his time advising HH. Time is over for you VJ if you can not make a decision now. You will lose nothing by joining UPND.
I THINK VJ HAS RUN OUT OF ALL RIGGING TACTICS.
As a “diplomat,” VJ should have known that you do not form pacts/coalitions through public statements in the media. You sit down and have discussions with others. But as things are, it simply shows the desperation in the MMD camp!
GUYS MULI BE BANGE, AND YOU REALLY KEEP ON WRITING, MUCHITA FINSHI. KEEP ON BLAMING POLITICIANS, YET BIZ WASTING MANHOURS PAFYABUPUBA, KA ICHILEMA WILL NEVER RULE ZAMBIA. AT LEAST SATA WAS ANNOINTED BY LEVY, IN HIS OWN WORDS, ”SATA WILL RULE OVER MY DEAD BODY”
Personally, I fail to understand the kind or height of intelligence of those people who always want to promote this elections rigging myth.Sata has always been on the political scene in zambia right from Kaunda’s reign through to Chiluba’s and now in opposition. He understands the intricacies of Zambia’s politics albeit in a helter skelter way.Thus he must know how VJ does the rigging and is therefore able and capablde of stopping the vice.This defence mechanism will not help the PF restle power from the MMD.They should instead devise practical tactics to convince people of Zambia that they can be their rullers.Not using violence,defence mechanisms or insults.