Second Republican president Frederick Chiluba has said the launch of the Patriotic Front (PF)/ United Party for National Development (UPND) Pact does not make it relevant to the Zambian people and therefore does not threaten the existence of the MMD Government after the 2011 elections.
Dr Chiluba said in an interview in Ndola yesterday that the PF-UPND Pact was not relevant to the Zambian people as it was working towards removing the MMD Government and not serving the Zambian people.
The pact should be seen to be doing something for the Zambians before citizens took it seriously otherwise it would soon be defunct.
“This pact is part of the statistics in the Zambian politics and nothing more, it is not going anywhere,” Dr Chiluba said.
He said the policies that govern the Pact were retrogressive to the Zambian economy and merely fanned violence unlike the MMD Government that was serving Zambians.
[pullquote]“This pact is part of the statistics in the Zambian politics and nothing more, it is not going anywhere,” Dr Chiluba said.[/pullquote]
Dr Chiluba said one of the leaders of the pact, the leader of the PF Michael Sata opposed progressive political and economic trends that made Zambia a real democratic country.
He said Mr Sata, who was quoted in the media to have invited him to campaign in the upcoming Chifubu Constituency by-elections to test his popularity, should not even bother inviting him because he had already invited himself to campaign in that election.
“I don’t have to tell anyone of how popular I am but the people will tell the story of how popular I am in the Chifubu elections,” Dr Chiluba said.
And Dr Chiluba said the sale of 75 per cent shares of Zamtel by the Zambian Government was commendable and was one of the many efforts by the current Government meant to improve people’s lives and saving jobs.
And the Committee of Citizens has expressed concern over the PF/UPND Pact’s failure to disclose the candidate in next year’s elections saying it should not be taken seriously.
Committee of Citizens president, Gregory Cifire said in a statement yesterday that the pact had not harmonised its programmes, manifestoes and its vision for the people of Zambia.
He said despite the launch of the pact there was also no disclosure of what programmes it has for the people if it was elected into office.
“This is dangerous as the unity between them is held by a very thin thread of naked ambitions to go to state house,” he said.
And Chief Chikanta of the Tonga people in Kalomo has warned that the PF/UPND Pact lacks fundamentals similar to the 2006 failed alliance formed by Hakainde Hichilema and Forum for Democracy and Development (FDD) president Edith Nawakwi.
Chief Chikanta said launching the PF/UPND Pact does not resolve the many technical and unresolved issues such as the shared popularity, which cannot easily be transferred to the candidate who would be adopted.
He said there were inherent weaknesses in the pact such as their failure to articulate development issues as they had only concentrated on insulting President Rupiah Banda and his Government.
[Times of Zambia ]
So this midget has come back into active politics and hes still getting his benefits. Awesome!!
Is that a Yes to the challenge thrown him by Sata. What will happen if he fails to win his boss RB that seat, would that mean his consultancy is merely a rip off? Game on lets see how popular Mr Midget is.
Aaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhh, Fred again? Pass the sick back please!
FTJ, talema ise naiwe. Your are popular but not likeable.
Committee of Citizens ndiye vichani???? Chifire wakula mutu……chimulilo.
Now, Chief chikanta must be dull.
Southern province has never developed since independence, look at L/stone, still the way it has been, talk of mazabuka, choma and Monze. There is nothing!!!!!
Being a chief does not mean you are wise!!!! The sit is hereditary. Navipuba vonse.
So this S.i.K.A.L.A thinks he is still popular, after stealling so much money, somebodys wife he thinks he is cool my A>S>S
The thief of thieves is irrelevant to Zambia.
“He said despite the launch of the pact there was also no disclosure of what programmes it has for the people if it was elected into office.”
This is why I said launching of the so called PACT is the joke of the century. You invite thousands of people so you can crack jokes and defame the govt and its officials. Preposterous at best. I can imagine how high the opportunity costs where for the people who attended this so called launch.
Anyway whatever rocks your boat.
“He said there were inherent weaknesses in the pact such as their failure to articulate development issues as they had only concentrated on insulting President Rupiah Banda and his Government.”
This is a chronic problem with the pact stemming mostly from the PF camp. [tbc
cont. from #7
The PF camp have a history of insults and defamation as well as ad hominems. Many in the PF camp fail at articulating development issues. They main punchline so to speak is this 90 days which they fail to explain. Up until now no one has been able to explain to me how this 90 day economic miracle will be achieved.
Even their bloggers just insult because that is all they know. They cannot engage in credible respectable debate. They are allergic to civil discussions.
Political satire at best.
Trolls flood the place to support the Thief of Thieves.
The only ones who want the PACT to fail are MMD bootlickers. Those – like Chiluba – who are profiting from this government.
2006: – MMD = 43 %, PACT = 55% of total cast votes.
2008: – MMD = 40%, PACT = 58% of total cast votes.
The writing on the wall is clear.
2011: – MMD = 35% (VJ), PACT = Landslide!
20 years of so called “credible respectable debate,” and what do you have to show for it?
20 years of so called “articulating development issues,” what benefit has the empty parroting of words done?
20 years of duping the people with “civil discussions” while robbing them blind, imprisoning the innocent and letting Thieves walk.
What is the congolese dwarf talking about,if they are irrelevant why even talk about them,come to chifubu you midget and you will see how people will treat you,just cause you sold us houses at k10 YOU think you are popular,you know what is in next for you after the PACT wins.and Cifire what kind of fool are you,just keep your stink mouth shut,its not your concern who is the leader of the pact.I can feel you dwarfs,you are not sleeping,midget time has come..just run to the Amazon forest before its too late..or Kharahari desert were you will find people of your make..dwarf.
Mhhhhh Chiluba a thief is a jocker really. Who is going to listen to him? No way , a thief is a thief thats what chiluba is …..A THIEF.:)>-:)>-
What is this BIG THIEF, Wife grabber sex maniac and stoopid i-diot FTJ Chiluba talking about or is he the MMD spokesman?
Only time will tell.
Chiluba do yourself good just keep quiet and before you loose even the last respect you have
Can someone unleash tDr Solomom Musonda the shooting maniac on this dwarf so that he can keep quite..
Dr Solomon Musonda needs to be arrested for manslaughter.
#7,8 Bum-licker based in canada
Stuff the 90day policy up your ujeni, are you blind or just s.t.u.p.i.d not to have seen that crowed that attended the launch. Even a frog would win against your President, crudely put we just don’t like RB and he will not force himself on us next year. Zambia is bigger than Eastern Province
Children of MMD thieves in the Diaspora, its time you prepared yourselves. Start washing plates in advance. Be farmiliar with the plate washing and cleaning business before 2011, this will help you stay well in the diaspora otherwise you are headed for suffering in Zed coz you are dull with no papers.
This is my free advice to you. Know that come 2011 there will be no free money from GRZ for you.
Hee Zambians let us sing a song of victory..
King muwelewelwe and his son of pedition the great thief Chiluba have fallen
hooo …people of the land let us celebrate the fall of thieves, murderers, Wife grabbers ….
OOOO we are bound to peacifull Zambia …fallen is great thief Chiluba!!
^:)^^:)^<:-p<:-p<:-p=d>=d>=d>
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I just :)):)):)):)):)):)) at whatever this man says,desperation baba
This pact, like many before it will not work. PF was in a pact with Sakwiba Sikota last election. Upnd has been in its own pacts, what happened to both: nothing. SATA, like Banda, is an old man desperate to end up in Plot 1. They are both desperate old men. We as Zambians are the pawn of two old men squaring up some late pride.These old men will bring nothing to the country. One old man is doing nothing. HH is not popular, except by his own tribes men. So Zambia is doomed: By two old me who will not be there in the future. We need to become militant and safe guard our future. Zambians have never been militant, the words “zambia is a peace-loving country” cools. Being militant is not always violent. Its demanding what you want. Wait at polling stations until votes counted. Vote results…
@ #18 msana wanzili
Why must I listen to you. You lack morals. You where wishing for the death of a fellow human being. You are satanic. Only satanic people would wish for such a thing. People like you have a special corner in hell I am sure.
How does one claim to care about Zambians and the welfare of the nation when they wish for a Zambian’s death. Only you can do this. People like you are capable of murder if you can wish for such a thing. I feel sorry for the people that are close to you. They are socializing with a potential murderer. So get thee behind me SATAN!!!!
Hate him or love him this midget is indeed a political engineer. Just check how he neutralises the whole pact launch. Instead of showering insults at the guy and me counter his argument like pact has done with figures. Although his statistics are flawed he forgets that voters are not objects but humans with emotions which can easily change depending on circumstance, especially if a certain man leads the pact.
#10…In Zambia we have often a time seen Independent candidates win elections. Your numbers dont add. I think it will depend on who the leader of the pact is and if he will be able to carry his poipularity to the other provinces.
Chiluba is just a little rascal , a little scared trapped rat who knows his fate should the pact win
iwe ka chiluba take yo madness to hell !! mmd cnt win in chifubu. LT pliz tell ka FTJ that he is very useless !! VIVA PACT !!
Oh no, not again this unrepentant thief, Kafupi! How much longer do we have to endure his stupid rantings? Why doesn’t he somehow declare himself irrelevant to the Zambian people?
LT AND MMD,NOW U V CHANGED THE PICTURE.
#22 Bum-licker
I explained very well why no tear was going to roll down my cheeks if George had given up the ghost(we all know he’s terminally ill). The trouble is you’re tongue is bigger than your brain, i said and i repeat ‘ George masterminded the robbery of K5billion from this our poor country and shared it with a few other thieves’ and i went on to say ‘ ……he’s as bad as a condemned prisoner on death row..’. Iwe ci Capitalist do you realise K5bn is a lot money and would have saved a lot of lives in our country? . In a nutshell, yes am disappointed he’s still with us even if it’s just for a little while. happy now
MMD = movement for murderers and drug dealers
chiluba has a very short memory. In 1991 when UNIP was removed, MMD was a movement or a PACT formed by people from all walks of life. If there was no pact then UNIP would still be in power. Today another movement is here to stay and we will ensure that the right government is put in place. We cannot allow MMD to rule us for another term for they have failed to clean their house.
#22 Bum-licker
You say ‘ am a satanist hence i deserve a special corner in hell ‘ with such reasoning and outright hearasy there was no way your katembe church was going to survive. When did you graduate to become a god for you to start judging others? Anway marvericks such as yourself and your civil partner SC shouldn’t be taken seriously. With all that frost bite on your grey matter, you warrant no much attention.
#23 Mulenga: You call him a political engineer. I (and I suspect many others) call him a crook, simple. If normal standards of decency are used, it’s not possible to love a crook!
@ #29 Satanist msana wanzili
Why should I be happy with your satanism. Here is exactly what you said.
“I eagerly await the demise of Kunda, he’s the most senseless lawyer i have ever seen or heard of.”Nawakwi vows not to be intimidated, Lusaka Times, 29th March 2010
This is the Satanism you portrayed on this blog so please don’t pretend to care. Your mind is Satanic if you could wish and eagerly await the death of someone. You hypocritically talk about saving lives. How can someone who wishes death on people care about saving lives? Clearly your satanic mind views this as credible.
Call me whatever you like. I highly doubt people care about what comes from a Satanic mind like yours.
@ #32 Satanist msana wanzili
Yes I called you a satanist because your thoughts are satanic. Only a satanic person can wish death on others. Such a move is most definitely not Godly so what else can it be? It certainly is satanic.
So unless you repent from your evil satanic thoughts, you’ll always deserve a special corner in hell in my books.
Mr Chiluba should just stop politicking because if Sata wins these elections ala mwandi kaya. Just enjoy your peace and stop talking s h i t about sata. If you want to campaign do it smart. People don’t trust chiluba and they don’t even want to be addressed by him. what happened in Mansa? the outcome of the developmental meeting was rubbish and nobody is even cerebrating any more. Stop it and enjoy you dubious acquittal.
This midget is an I.D.I.O.T!!!!!!
Dear Mr. Capitalist,
Why are you panicking, MMD Lover ? Started calling people names you have not used on Thieves who have led to the suffering and death of poor people. Your heart is cold. You have no moral right whatsoever to even use the word “repent” to anyone seeing you’re the worst of offenders. You and the people you support have stolen from the poor. That is the greatest sin ever.
Non disclosure of the PACT presidential candidate this early appears to be a very effective strategy in terms of unsettling the huge thieving empire. For they do not know the magnitude of punishment to expect, which is only associated with the wrath of the respective PACT presidential candidates.
#34, 35 Bum-licker
I will repeat because you’re daft George just like any other dangerous criminal deserves death by hanging, luckily for all of us George sentenced himself because of his unfaithfulness to his wife. He’s sinned against the all nation by robbing us of a cool K5bn and he’s sinned against his family so tell me what would an appropriate punishment for him other than the ultimate punishment he’s prescribed himself.
If Chiluba knew how he irritates me, he would not have continued to pass accross my path. I feel there are worthy people who should be left to give comments on issues of national development than Chiluba. You allowed yourself in office for ten years and all you did was plunder national resourses, you wanted yourself in office for the third term to completely take away Zambia’s few remaining wealth and we now said NO! NO! NO!. To a normal man that could have been a lesson enough to show how you are hated. In this country there is no one who has any kind words for you unless you ate and are eating together. Chiluba, my advise is; you should know that we are not yet at home, we are in transit to our promised land, Learn to fear and respect God especially now that Law of Land set you free.
We fully intend to do away with CAPITALISM. We will install socialist democracy in Zambia very soon.
Abash IMF/World Bank capitalism, evil system whose mantra is that “Greed is good.” System that says its good when a few people own the wealth while the majority suffer. Wicked system that was the cause of the the financial meltdown.
@ #38 PACT
I am not panicking. Follow the flow of comments. Satanist msana wanzili started by insulting me. I simply responded by exposing him of his satanic behavior. I have not called him names but simply exposed him of his satanic behavior therefore making him a satanist. What do you make of someone wishing death on a person? Isn’t that satanism?
Secondly, provide indisputable verifiable evidence that I have stolen. Failure to do so will result in me dismissing your outlandish claims as mere idle gossip therefore making you a liar (I bet you are going to associate me calling you a liar with name calling).
Pshhhh
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Satanist msana wanzili #40
If George Kunda has stolen then gather your evidence and take him to court. Let the judicial system work. You are an incompetent loser who warps on verbal violence to try and get your silly point ahead. After all, Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. -Salvador Hardin.
I have wasted enough time on you. I have other things to do. I will deal with you later.
Lazo ali mu white line ka? His wisdom is as short as his height.
Bum-licker
It’s an open secret that i do not wish him well, so whats your problem. Your party killed three armless, defenceless kids in Mufumbwe, i never saw a message of condolesces from you or any other satanist. Last week a Minister attempted to murder yet another defenceless kid, your partner and probably on your behalf defended the murderer and called the poor victim names. You should be ashamed to call others satanists when you’re infact the chief shonongo.
oh my goodness, just when I was about to shut down my computer, I am hit with yet more incompetent arguments.
Here is one last one for you before I go.
@ #46 Satanist msana wanzili
Firstly I do not blog 24/7. Therefore I am not required to comment on every single story LT publishes. This is what you call free will which you PF cadres are allergic to.
Secondly I do not support the shooting of a defenseless kid however I do not have all the facts to make a plausible fair comment on the story hence I will wait for further developments on what transpired to get a clear picture of the whole situation.
And whoever called whoever names did it in their own capacity. If I have something to say, I will say it. I do not need someone to speak on my behalf.
Mr. Capitalist,
When you support the cause of the wicked, you share in their guilt. Simple as that. Renounce Chiluba and his ilk and you will be absolved of all blame.
I ve followed The Captalist’s comments; and i wish to say i find no iota of sence in everything he unleashes from his fouled mouth. What does he say about the shooting of the boy by musonda? What does he say about the arrest and non warrant of bail to M’membe? In contrast, what does he say about the acquital of FTJ and long pending court hearings about his wife and minions who dashed away with billions of cash from the Zamtrop?
You call another blogger,satanic? and deserving a place in hell? Your rhetoric smells like a skunk.
You bling debate to this blog but you luck information by saying HH is unpopular or Sata.
I was pa Zed yesturday and the mood is PACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its a pit how we abuse our kanongobility.
I wish it was possible to get into your small brain!!! Walishalila.
cont. from #47
I am not ashamed of myself because I do not wish for death on others. I do not go to such extremes. I believe only God can decide who dies and who lives. That decision should be left to God and not man. Satanism has warped your mind. This is why things that are occupying your mind right now are for the most part satanic. Lies, evil wishes, verbal violence and deceit are the only things you have to show for yourself.
I am encouraging you to turn away from your evil thoughts. When I get back, I expect a newly reformed msana wanzili. I do not care which party you’ll support but as long as you turn your back on your satanic thoughts. Something to think about
This guy was yesterday booed and chased in Wuasakile Kitwe yesterday.RB is just wasting his time trusting aka Ka Mbwenekwi?(Congolese Pygmy)
#44 Mr Capitalist
” gather evidence” huh ! are you normal? as i said earlier your brain is smaller than your tongue that lick everywhere. what more evidence do you want? Haven’t you heard that Levy refused to sanction the K5bn they finally stole under RBs nose because Levy argued that the thieves that were pushing for it live within Lusaka and pay no bills on anything infact dont even buy their own toilet tissue. You chicken typical of your kind, you always crawl back the cave everytime you’re proved a liar.
@ Liar PACT #48
And where in my comments have I been supporting Dr. Chiluba on this thread? My comments where on the pact and not Chiluba. You know this. You know I was not talking about Dr. Chiluba but the pact. You know this and deliberately misconstrued my arguments. Why you are doing so is probably a pattern of your lies.
You know who is irrelevant…. the one and FTJ.
You know who is irrelevant…. the one and only FTJ.
@ bruce lee #49 |-)
Please don’t bore me. My comments where on the PACT as that is pertaining to the story above. I was commenting about the pact because the story is about the pact.
The rest of the comments where responses to Satanist msana wanzili. Please, you’re putting me to sleep here.
@ #52 satanist msana wanzili
If that is your argument then take George Kunda to court instead of making a circus out of yourself on this blog.
Anyway…see you in a couple of hours.
The Captalist, we need to advise you because any form of ‘attempted murder’ warrants arrest. Thats what the law demands as long as the accused has consented to the case. He must be caged pending investigations or on bail. He must also be arrested on chrages of carrying a gun, whether registered or not. I will pick two cases in history that have disappeared without trace when the calprits were properly known. 2pac and BigSmalls. The police had leads but decided to keep things under investigation because one of the suspect was a policeman under organised crime. One of the visitors was the same man whose photo of a suspect was releases earlier on to the public.
Investigations changed hands and todate, 2Pac & BigSmalls’revolutionary dreams ended with there.
please spend time to blog…
Its quiet sneaky journalism for LT to put that old photo of the Thief of Thieves with Sata. Very sneaky.
Chiluba should keep quite as there is nothing he did for zambia and its people. MMD must be having nightmares over the pact they have tried all tricks. This pact is clear and will be the next government 2011. So chiluba be prepared to face your theft cases. All the stolen companies should be taken back and chiluba has not returned the stolen money from zambia.
#56 Mr Capitalist
You luck even very basic common sense, how can i take George Kunda to court when he’s actually the DPP puppetering that zombie called mchenga. How many MMD criminals apart from Katele have even seen the inside of our courts? How does your brain process stuff? However, the best part of the all story is that they are going out next year and he’ll be prosecuted you can bet your house on that( that is if he’ll be around)
FTJ and Capitalist
You are one of the people tha are not patriotic, the enemies of this country, who are also delight in stripping the country of its resources, people who don’t care about the common good. Mushibila Insala
Chiluba Chiluba ….
Please just enjoy our money your store from us
Just enjoy a woman your wife sotolen from Mr Mwanza
Chuluba Chiluba the great thief who steal from the poor and from his poor workers ( mr Mwanza”s wife Regina)
Peope of Zambia, people of the bountifull Land …
Let us match with oneness as we arrest the great thief Chiluba
Chiluba a thief is conguered…
Chiluba the chief of thieves is fallen
Let us sing a song of victory
Fallen is great pompwe, sakala , kawalala, Lisholi….
^:)^^:)^
F T J is being hypocrirical by politicking when he prevented KK from doing it , just like Mr Capitalist is being hypocritical calling people names and then says he is not insulting anyone. ..
.#42 PACT…… i also share your views. Look at where 20 yrs of capitalism has left us. The govt relying heavily on foreign donations rather than encouraging self belief and self sufficiency . The greed driven western capitalist system did collapse and is now being propped up. It amazes me how they always manage to convince us that we could never ever survive without it.
#44 U R FULL OF SHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTiiiiiiiiiiiittt ,do u care for the suffering zambians
Everyone associating himself with Chiluba or MMD ,id doing it at his own peril……………..U will all go inside ,I am not Joking ,the clock is ticking
This man needs to shut up. What kind of development has MMD done in 20 years? Sellling the country short (Just like that kafupi) and oppression is their game. Fuseke!
Mwalaya imwe….
Whether PACT or MMD, what matters is who has the best ideas to lift Zambians well being. Unless we start judging political parties based on issues, Zambians will continue having mediocre leaders. The buck stops at voters. You get what you vote in.
#1 Bwandi
It may be important to differentiate between coming back to politics with a portfolio in a political party, like KK did (which I was happy with) from just campaigning for a party you support (like what Chiluba has done, last time with PF and now with MMD). This happens everywhere in the world. Clinton campaigned for Obama, Blair for Labour etc. We may not like the man FTJ but that is his democratic right. Instead of insults, let us confront the issues as they are. Tabulate MMD failures since 1991 or whenever and show from The Pact manifesto, what is good for the country. I would give my vote to the ‘devil you know.’
CAPITALIST, SAINT etc. Chiluba was in Kitwes Wusakile on Saturday. You should have seen how he was booed and chased. The man is cheating RB/MMD that he can do this and that. Just look at the results of his meeting with the Luapula chiefs- disarster.
#18, crowds are not a barometer of who is popular.We v been seeing bigger crowds than PACT’s crowd.Most of those chaps in the CROWD wont even vote.
#71
On that picture i didnt see any minor. you dont even have respect you calling people you dont know chaps and most of them wont vote as you put it then who will vote, monkeys huh !
VJ rigger#71 u,a very useless n hopeless !! to hell with yo madness!! VIVA PACT !!
U are very right kafupi! Pact out there to kick MMD out! We’re sick and tired u!
What seems to impossible with wicked men is possible with God
when God says let there be unity who can divide????? The Great book of the Lord says for where two have agreed here on earth it is bound in heaven
watch the things as they unfold…a great Transformation is coming…God Bless this convenant of Unity…
Bakafupi nabo – amano bwipi!! what a shameless chap.
wether we like him or not, we online bloggers are a majority in zambia.the line of thought on regarding the comments put up does not relate to feelings of the avarage zambian on the ground…hence mmd still in power
Imwe naimwe, ifyo ifya ma god god god, filetafye ubunangani, no bu crook, Bushe chiluba tewa chitile declare zed as a Christian nation, a chita invite ne li crook linankwe, benn hin. Mwebantu ni mukaliolofye . Tata imwe palya muchili mulewawaya ukubonfwila bena balepangilapo, elyo nga walikwata gelo zimya, basopu, uchenjele sana pantu bena tabangasha . Aba bantu, niba kelenka fyo bonse.
Chiluba has been the waste former head of state in Africa—-Why is he campaigning for RB?If he was wise which he will never be-he would be quite and avoid politics–useless thief
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F.T.J chuba!!!!!!!!!!!!and sata
lol….Wow, I come back and what do I find, personal attacks on me. Typical :)>-
Fellow bloggers dont pay any attention to kafupi, nothing of essence comes out of that stinky mouth. Wherever I see his pic in newspapers, I dont even read because he’s just an annoying pi.s.s.ant.
CHILUBA WAS BOOOD AND RAN WAY IN KITWE LAST SATURDAY, WHO TOLD YOU THE SHORT MAN IS POPULAR, SHAME!!!!
How can we allow a government which shots it’s own people to continue in power, lets make up our minds before we are gunned down!!! :)>-
Ka Chiluba ubwipi kwati bwamba bwa kanya