By Elias Munshya wa Munshya
The most anticipated launch of the UPND/PF pact has finally materialized. The Pact members were mobilized in Lusaka to launch a pact that they feel would achieve the aspirations of removing the MMD from power. But as I show in this article—the launch of the UPND/PF pact, while being a major political milestone in the country, is much ado about nothing since this launch has not answered the most perennial questions the Pact leaders must answer.
First, the real issue with the Pact is not whether the grassroots in the two parties are united or not. That is not the issue. The main issue is about whom between Hichilema and Sata will be the presidential candidate in the 2011 elections. Regardless of how many rallies and launches the Pact goes through, if it does not address the presidency, its prospects for 2011 remain bleak. A Pact candidate matters since it may determine how Zambians will vote in 2011. While the respective spokespersons of the two parties have said that the candidate will be picked through a vote-they have not elaborated how. They are just assuming that he will be picked through democratic means.
Learning from history, no party has held truly democratic intra-party elections since Chiluba was elected MMD president in 1991. As such, I have no illusion to believe that there will be any meaningful democratic modalities to pick the Pact’s candidate. The two respective parties themselves have not held freely democratic elections within their parties, how then do they expect to exercise democracy when picking the candidate for 2011? All that is known, for now, is that both Sata and HH are candidates for the 2011 elections, and such an atmosphere is not helpful to convince innocent Zambians that there is a meaningful alliance.
Second, while it is true that mathematically the Pact may, taking the lead from the 2008 election, have more votes than the MMD—the political algebra just does not mean that they will have those votes come 2011. From the 2008 elections it is clear that a combination of the PF and the UPND votes comfortably beat the votes for the MMD. But that is where the faulty reasoning lies. The Pact may be assuming that people who voted for the two parties will vote for the Pact in 2011.
This assumption is fundamentally faulty since it does not take into account the complex reasons why people vote in the first place. To assume that the Pact will take all the provinces that the UPND and PF as individual parties took in 2008 is flawed. As above, let me reiterate the fact that the deciding factor in the next elections will be the Pact’s presidential candidate. If the Pact fields Sata, Southern voters will not vote for the Pact—it is as easy as that. Southern voters have expressed in clear terms that the Pact will only be supported if it fields HH.
On the other hand, if the Pact picked HH as its candidate—the MMD will exploit HH’s weakness as a regional candidate. This is the dilemma that the Pact faces. Either-way it is a bust for the Pact.
Third, the launch of the Pact is much ado about nothing since it fails to explain exactly what is being launched. To launch something, you need to have a plan. But the so called pact does not seem to have a plan in place. While they have a desire to remove the MMD from power, they lack a comprehensive plan of how they are going to do this, and they are assuming that by saying that they are a pact then they can easily boot out the MMD.
What Zambia needs is not a pact, in the lines of the UPND/PF pact. We have tried those before and it has never worked. If it is political unity the PF and the UPND needed then what they should have done is to dissolve themselves and then form one party; head for party elections; elect a president; and then launch themselves as such. But going by Saturday’s event, they are doing things backwards. And it is this backwardness that will come to haunt them latter in 2011. This Pact has no plan and it is just wasting innocent Zambians’ time.
Fourth, both HH and Sata are right in saying that the Pact is people driven and in fact they are cautioning the people to guard the pact very jealously so that it does not fail. I see that to be a serious anomaly. Since when did ordinary people matter to Zambian politicians? I have no delusion to believe that the pact will work simply because the people say so. In 1991, unity worked because the MMD had a plan and its leaders (Wina, Mulemba, Lewanika etc) selflessly supported Chiluba once he was elected as MMD president. Besides, Wina, Mulemba and Chiluba never declared their candidacy for the 1991 general elections; they instead waited until the MMD had elected one of them as its president.
From our political history, it is political leaders and not just the ordinary people that determine the Zambian political landscape. And regardless of how much ordinary Zambians want the Pact to succeed; if HH and Sata do not make it work, then it would not work. What HH and Sata need to understand is that the future of the Pact does not lie in Chiwempala, Chawama, or in Chama, but rather in Rhodes Park and Kabulonga where Sata and Hichilema live.
And if they do not agree right there in Kabulonga I do not see how the ordinary people in Milenge will make the Pact work. The fact that the Pact is people driven and not leadership driven is the very reason why it will fail come 2011. HH and Sata can do the people a great service, by agreeing on a clear plan of unity which should make them excuse themselves from 2011 candidacy until their Pact chooses a president to lead the Pact.
In the meantime, they are working from a wrong assumption that they are both presidential candidates until the Pact rejects one of them. How about if they worked from the assumption that none of them is a candidate for 2011 until the Pact decides on the candidate. But who am I to suggest anything to these politicians, they only do what they want to do and not what the people want!
Better article. But i must say, HH will stand as president. Even Sata, if they agree its ok. All we want is agreement btn them and a way foward as a united PACT. We will stil vote on that context. All we need is change.
In as much as it is us to ask them who stands, MMD is using this as a weakness. I must say the difference is minimal & people want change.Change is good.
Mr. Munshya go tell your MMD sponsors that we shall announce our candidate at an appropriate time. We know why you are anxious to know the PACTs choice. You want to gather a lot of data for your useeless propaganda.
Nice article nice analysis and nice timely advise. For me the PACT has my vote if they field any othger candidate apart from SATA and HH. SATA has already had a stroke. Am not ready for another cash shredding presidential mourning. MMD has successfully managed to brand HH as imature and a tribal bigot. And his losing of elections in the past does not sit well in the mind of voters.
The PACT need to pick a fresh face and mind that will really present CHANGE. Possible candidates are Professor Chirwa or even poach Magande or that Inonge woman from Western Province. With this they will get my VOTE.
If they field SATA or HH, sorry I will vote for RB. Better with this Devil. Am not doing that bad. SATA is too vindictive and vengeful , and can take us back 20 yrs.
By the way when is the so much talked about MMD convention?
This is a weakness, yes. But SATA is well know for coming up with loose alliances, which he can easily walk away from at the right time. Also in Zambia today, its interesting how northerns always want other tribes to be thier Deputies. They never can acept to be Deputies themselves. We have already heard them say HH can get experience as SATA’s deputy. Chiluba had no experience of any kind, they never said he can get experience from the Mundia, Sakatana, etc. They are always selfish. After 5 yrs they kick you out of the party for even thinking its your turn to be President. Ask Easterners, they leant the hard way: Generals Miyanda & Late Tembo are examples. They are disoriented. Tembo died a dispointed man. They play the Deputy role. Wonder why Easterners avoid them now?
The author is one of those who thought the PACT wont last a week when it was announced.A year later its still here and stronger.
Secondly there are just too many assumptions in his article.Also this obssession with who will be the PACT s candidate is sickening.
What type of a political Scientist is this Munshya wa Munshya? The PACT presidential candidate is part of a strategy which is giving MMD sleepless nights. That is why the IG wants his Police intelligence officers to sniff who will be the PACT presidential candidate because it will make it easy now for the MMD to destroy such a candidate now and not when it is too late in 2011, simple reasoning.
#3 How do you base your decision on what the MMD has said on HH. Just be bold and confirm that you are MMD. Leave the PACT alone and concentrate your party.
# 3
I dont get it u are sayin u are not comfortable with HH as well coz the MMD has branded him immature!!
U might as well believe the MMD when they say there s no alternative to RB in 2011.
Theres no harm by the way in u coming out and declare yr support 4 RB,its yr choice/right,just dont pretend that u are 4 the PACT!!!!!
Morning everyone. I smell a rat, viva pact, come 2011 forward
On “What Zambia needs is not a pact, in the lines of the UPND/PF pact… We have tried those before and it has never worked,” I beg to differ with the writer since MMD’s said-not-resigned-from-UNIP-todate Rupiah Bwezani Banda won the 2008 Presidential by–election with 35,000 votes only ahead of PF self-appointed leader undereducated MC Sata just because he had a PACT or an alliance with FDD president Edith Nawakwi, ULP unelected self appointed leader Sakwiba Sikota and APC or so self-imposed leader Ken(ny) Ngondo.
Therefore, the autocratic or monarch nonsense that the writer is advance on the UPND-PF PACT to choose a 2011 presidential candidate undemocratically must not be entertained by any real democrat in Zambian politics.
Have a blessed day all.
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2 Timothy 4:2 – 4
Even if the pact choozez a frog to stand and MMD opts for RB and FTJ put together, the people of Zambia have thier mindz made come voting time. There will be shedding of tearz and gnashing of teeth in 2011.
Zedian Umusasa should refrain from such tribalistic sentiments. Chiluba is not a Northerner. And it’s not true that Northerners never want to be led. Sata himself was under Chiluba, a Luapulan. Chisanga loyally served Mazoka just as Lupando Mwape served Mwanawasa. Stop being a tribalist. For your own infor HH can’t win an election.
shame on you author anyway the pact is there to stay with or without prohets of doom like yourself.this pact is not about who becomes the presidential candidate between sata and HH .its about removing the corrupt elements from state houes,stoping the becoming double laws in zambia.what has Rupiah and Kabonde done about people that wants to gang rape aunty Edith , dr solomon’s attept to kill a defenceless young man,mufumbwe violence, Ka william Banda’S contiued land grabiing in Lusaka ? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH we need change.long live the pact!
He he he he..Now i understand MMD very well.We discuses politics wherever we go be at work, home, when watching soccer etc.Most MMD supporters have conceded defeat wherever we go.Their reasoning is AS LONG AS THE PACT STAYS INTACT then the PACT goes through.I for one do not understand why LT is always talking about the PACT day in day out if really its not a threat.Why cant you talk about UNIP.For once lets talk about the MMD convention.Who are are challenging RB at the convention and when is it taking place, these are the stories LT should run to assist its partner MMD
We know LT is not independent. They will post article after article to try to discredit The PACT. Like we’ve said before, we will ride it out. The power is with the people. The comments show clearly what the majority of Zambians think. Only a few brainwashed, spineless trolls are supporting MMD’s 20 year rampage.
Munshya,
Understand that the whole circus is nothing but Demon-Haunted individuals’ Fallacy of Reification. Sata and his deputizing concubine Ichilema is not Presidential material but a waffling rascal over consumed with anger, hatred, lies, insults, tribalism and wishful dreams. They are only capable of producing ambiguity evident from the so-called launch. What were they launching someone tell me? To sing for Mmembe and stage up insulting skills show. To them such is worthwhile political capital. Please lower down your expectation for anything tangible out of this circus called HakaSata PACT.
I have said it loud and clear that in this entire circus, the greatest loser is Ichilema who has forfeited his rationality to Sata’s sublevel theatre. What did they launch or harmonized to justify the inconvenience of those disillusioned poor people to put themselves off from their economic lifelines where they could have made some marginal gain by the end of the day?
This kind of hypostatization of leaders is what we call a fallacy of ambiguity, when a hypothetical construct is treated as if it represented a concrete, real event or physical entity. In other words, this so-called PACT is the error of treating as a “real thing” something which is not real, but merely a vague emotional idea.
The imagined community and world of this PACT circus is filled with phantoms and spooks of many kinds. Both Sata and his deluded deputing concubine Ichilema are full of ambiguity, what should have been a Golden opportunity to offer direction turned into an opportunity to outdo each other in some ad hominem.
This so-called PACT only appeal to ignorance as evidence for something achieved.
Watch them with their arguments based on an appeal to fear or a threat among their ignorant followers.
Always they are in misleading argument used in reliance on followers’ ignorance.
They vainly belabor to sway popular support by appealing to sentimental weakness rather than facts and reasons but such as expected holds to none voting ignoramuses.
Theirs is a form of selective thinking that focuses on evidence that supports what their cadres already believe while ignoring evidence that refutes their ability to think like alternative national leaders that should appeal to all social groups in society to win a national mandate. It’s a circus to doom.
You see whether people like it or not, HH will be the next president of Zambia. You can give your vote to any one you want but other Zambians who do not believe in your thinking will give HH votes. I do agree that Northerners and Luapulans do not want to be led. They think the presidence of this country is thiers. You are cheating yourselves. You call southerners are tribal, now for your own information, Tongas can vote for an Easterner than voting for a bemba
Imwe chi PACT is doomed, which Zambia would vote a hooligan, Satana and tribalist Ichilema for President, besides another PACT is being formed by the new young turks parties. Bembas you already had your turn, shi mulekeni mukwasu RB alyelepo naye, pamanso kuipa.
There is a Senior MMD Troll here spreading lies about The Pact. While you dream of continuing deceiving the people and robbing them, we march forward for the cause of the poor of our great nation. We have patiently given your inane MMD party 20 years to show the people what it can do. What have we got? Only increasing poverty, increasing lack of press freedom, increasing crime – all the filth. We want people to be uplifted and respected not violated at every turn. Its time to install a new government. Its time for change.
i gues you want to hear this, there is no thing such as a pact. The real thing is that Sata is alone with his PF while HH is also alone with his UPND. what the have done is to introduce each other in provinces where they are not popular. come 2011, it will be each one for himself. This can be so good for HH since the bemba speaking tribes were saying ichilema, and now they know that…..!!! As for Sata no matter what he does, the people of Southern, N/W and western can never go to bed with him. Their memory is to sharp to be blinded by the PACKet
Leave the pact alone you **** !
It is a fact that if every Zambian was privileged to have access to as much information as people on the Copperbelt and Lusaka do, this corrupt party MMD would not be in power today. So, who has majored on taking advantage of the ignorant in rural areas by corrupting them with packets of sugar?. The facts more than demonstrate that the MMD party thrives on denying people information they need to make informed choices during elections. Who goes around telling poor villagers that if you don’t vote for the ruling party we won’t develop your area? The facts are against what this Senior Troll seems to be saying. Its MMD that thrives on fear and lack of knowledge.
THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS ARTICLE IS DULL INDEED. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THESE TWO LEADERS TALKED ABOUT THIS QUESTION? HOW HAVE THEY MANAGED TO PICK CANDIDATES FOR BY-ELECTIONS? ITS JST ONE OF THE MMD SCHEMES TO KNOW THE PACT LEADER SO THAT THEY START FALSE INVESTIGATIONS AND LIES ABOUT HIM. MWA LOBA ILYA UMA…JST ANNOUNCE THE ELECTION DAY AND U WILL KNOW THE PACT CANDIDATE.
All of you are wasting time on the subject of who is to rule zambia. God tha Almighty has already put in place a person who will rule us. You got to be anointed by God to rule. How do you forget! Sata once frustrated some good people in the hope that Chiluba having no choice would appoint him.It did not work.After the death of Mwanawasa Mupombo and Magande were waiting in the shadows, but it did not work. It’s God who gives. Just wait for time will always tell.
RB, HH and SATA, who do you think can uplift the living standards of the pipo of Zed? Who do you think can grow the economy of Zed? A president who can aticulate issues at home and abroad. A president who will make zambians proud world wide. Who do you think can be this person among the three?
The RULES of how the Pact will choose its candidate were released to the public back in 2009.
It is a very structured process with delegates from both parties making a vote.
Back in 2009 the Pact even let the public know about its third choice.
But MMD keep barking on about wanting to know who to attacked on the way to 2011.
They need to finance the kaponyas like Senior citizen to prepare their speeches on hatred.
People like Senior Citizen who cry when his poppa is insulted then comes on L.T to release his angers and calls people crippled.
How two faced is that?
Simple: its HH.
Elias, whatever ur name is u are entitled to ur own ideas BUT avoid speaking on behalf of our people!! Not every Zambian is with ur negative opnion about the PACT, nowonder we went in numbers to witness the lauch. it does not matter to some of us who becomes the president, all we want is to remove the MMD thieves from government. U have the right to come up with negative articles coz u have been sponsored to do so as a result of poverty…….but the majority of our people who feel robbed by the mmd have their mids crossed to the pact and nothing will change this. Even if a neutral person stands under the pact we will definately vote for that same chap and NOT the MMD. I therefore wish to remind Mr. Mushya NOT to be a spokesperson for the people however, u are entitled to ur own opinion!!!
HH can grow our economy, uplift the living standard of the pipo, becauz he is intellignt, young, learned and focused
sata is on borrowed life with a faint heart. shud thank let mwanawasa for giving him another chance to breath. I will vote wisely this time around and give it to RB. ichilema nikambwanga full of hot airs. Zambians are not stupid thats why they voted for RB amd not Ichilema or satana. Pact launch all in vanity. aba lozi, tongas, kaondes, lundas, luvales, chokwes, mbundas, lambas, lalas, ilas, ngonis, nsengas can never vote for sata. if Ichilema makes a mistake of surrendering to sata then forget even the tongas will ditch him
@- # 30 Josef P
Its not a secret to the perceptive where your allegiance lies. Save the religious talk. Pure religion is this: to care for the widows and orphans in need. That means 70% of the poor of this country. How can you with a clear conscience say you practice religion when you are not bothered by the millions of people who are struggling to eat because their government leaders – with their shameful pot bellies – continue to plunder tax payers money that could help them? How do you support these people when every year, the AG Report gives lists of people who steal tax payers money and they do nothing about it because they approve of such actions ? I repeat, save your hypocritical religious talk. We know you’re just another cadre.
Elias Munshya wa Munshya the pact does not owe you any answer. When did the pact sign an agreement with you to answer you ego? If you think you have a lot of questions, go and ask your Mphuno ikulu (RB) Why ask the pact to provide answers when you are calling it useless? Why ask the pact answers when Fred M’member answer you you twist the truth? Kafeleni uko mwajaila kuvutika pa Zedi.
The article lacks professionalism,the writer clearly shows his biasness against the pact itself,HH and Sata.Use of words like,’the so called pact’,words like,’the pact has failed….’.Also there are too many assumptions.Assuming that Sata,HH and RB are the only candidates is pure fallacy.You have Miyanda,Chipimo,etc.Assuming also that if Sata leads the pact,then the Southern vote is lost doesn’t make political sense.The pact in essence is not one new party called UPND/PF,it’s a working relationship of two independent parties.What if the pact settles for a neutral candidate,the article doesn’t even address that scenario.What if they pick say Patrick Chisanga or General Miyanda for that matter.
what ever happens MMD is packing in 2011 and mind you its only a matter if monthes and you are gone.
godbey Mwadya Mweka Dad.kafikenipo mukwai.even if you brought an angel to stand on MMD ticket no one will vote for Him.try it you will see bane.chapwa mwe mwitupwishisha amano bakonto imwe.
ONLY A CONFUSED AND SHAMELESS PERSON CAN AT THIS POINT IN TIME STAND FIRM IN SUPPORT OF THE MMD. AS FOR SOBER MINDED PEOPLE WE ARE FOR THE PACT REASONS CHECK HERE UNDER:
1. Solomon Musonda D/minister shots and wounded un armed individual still enjoying peace at home no arrest no action taken from his boss.
2. Katele, convicted of having robbed the Zambian people still remains Party national secretary
3. Muzungu’s son kills three innocent citizens in Mufumbwe no action taken what so ever.
3. The public appeals against Chiluba’s dubious acquital RB and his govt rejects it as they do not find wrong to associate with thieves and mudereers.
4. Chiluba allowed to take part in active politics using tax payers money no problem with that by the mmd. The list is endless…………..
if you cant go it alone then you are not sure of yourself. those who need useless pacts are weak and cowards. MMD will do it alone let those weaklings merge we gonna meet them head on. We have thumped them many times before and this time we shall crush them with a heavy blow. they cant stand on their on they are tired and dead scared of losing all the time. we know what we want you can make all the noise like you have done before in 2006 and 2008 but we will continue to rule and you will continue to be led. tuleteka ichalo cha zambia mutende
Has the Pact launch changed anything?
ONCE again the leaders of the Patriotic Front and United Party for National Development Pact have left their members in the dark on who the presidential candidate for the 2011 elections will be. Expectations were high when it was announced that the launch would finally be on last week after one year and members were certain this would be the forum at which the gnawing question would be answered.
@ – # 30 Josef P: Finally, understand this:
Fighting on every front for the cause of the poor is not wasting time and its not inconsistent with believing that its God who installs and removes leaders.
Please be rational in your comments and avoid 20th Century tribal undertones. THE PACT WILL RULE ZAMBIA WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. It does not matter how much you hate it. We will not reveal our presidential candidate until when its very late FOR MMD/KABONDE to do stupid things.
Who will be the presidential candidate?
But alas the chance has passed them by and the guessing game continues.When the two leaders Mr Michael Sata and Mr Hakainde Hichilema emerged during Saturday’s rally to addresse their members on the state of the Pact, the question of who would lead the Pact was left to speculation. Many people were not even aware that the pact had not been launched yet but many knew that the pact has no candidate for 2011. Did Mr Sata and Mr Hichilema answer the big question members from both parties have been asking?
Was the Saturday meeting convened to convince or window dress the viability of the Pact without addressing any meaty issues that Zambians want to hear.
The African Institute for Democracy and Good Governance (AIDG) has since urged the Pact not to waste people’s time and quickly state how they will harmonize their ideologies and name the leader.
AIDG spokesperson Thabo Kawana said while the institute welcomed democratic innovations such as pacts, it was important that Zambians were informed of what politicians were planning for them.
He said the launch of the pact should have addressed leadership issues for the two parties.
Last Saturday’s rally was a launch for the Pact but it appears Mr Sata and Mr Hichilema took the gathering to be an ordinary rally as none of them spoke of the launch or declared a launch of the Pact in their speeches.
PF-UPND
launch rally
The two parties are big and their strength and influence recognised.
They are indeed next to the ruling party the MMD.
The enthusiasm most people who flocked to the rally had was to hear something new about the Pact, meet their leaders and get back home with some positive message.
Mr Jones Mweene a UPND member said he expected to hear the announcement of a presidential candidate by the Pact.
We understand your frustrations hence your efforts at trying to fight tooth and nail to see the PACT break but we can assure you we sat down for 3 months and brain stormed on all your HOT air issues. The PACT is as intact as it was when it was formed. Your divide and rule tactics will not work. You can scream as much as you like, we shall not fall into your trap of trying to discredit our PACT presidential candidate by announcing him now. To delay is part of the strategy. SHAME ON YOU VISIONLESS MMD.
Its the nature of MMD cadres to always want to focus on politics rather than the effects of their awful leadership. Can you for moment speak about the merits of your government? Tell us about how you’ve dealt with poverty, illiteracy, crime, etc. What has MMD done?
His disappointment is obvious.
Mr Shadreck Nyambe-Sichamba a PF member said he travelled all the way from Chongwe in the hope that he would hear the key announcements in the Pact as regards the candidate and the consolidation of the various policies but he was not pleased with what the rally turned out to be.
“I could see that the meeting had no clear agenda because they even made us wait almost the whole day before the Pact leaders arrived at the venue,” he said.
Most members had gathered as early as 10.00hours but the two leaders emerged after 14.00hours.
The prelude of the rally was however characterised by the launch of the Red Card campaign by Fr Frank Bwalya.
One wonders whether the organisers from the PF and the UPND agreed that the launch of the campaign should also be done at the rally.
In sober reflection, the Pact launch should not have been trivialised with the Red Card campaign launch.
HH for president 2011
Analysts observed that mixing the launch of the pact with the Red Card Campaign just spoiled the whole agenda and threw suspicion on the two parties as to whether they were really committed to spearheading their campaign in a sober and mature manner.
Fr Bwalya has motives that both the PF and the UPND do not understand and for them to give him a platform of launching his Red Card Campaign was a serious mistake that their advisors could have detected and avoided. The PF and UPND parties should establish why most of the civil society organisations that initially seemed to be close to Fr Bwalya and his campaign seem to be keeping a distance from him lately.
The PF and the UPND should realise that the support they receive from the members was not guaranteed until they address the issue of the presidential candidate.
This matter is of key importance to determine the future of the pact.
The longer the delay in addressing it, the more negative effects it will have on the pact.
They may think that they are playing a hide and seek game with the MMD by not announcing who the leader of the pact will be but the MMD are not the voters.
Since the MMD are not the voters, the Pact is playing a hide-and-seek game with the voters themselves.
There is no sober reflection that avoids the real questions. What has MMD done for Zambians in the last 20 years ?
All comments against the PACT lack wisdom and are kicks of a dieing horse. We shall not insult anyone of your personally BUT we shall wait to remind you without any vegeance once we are in state house. We trurly believe that vegeance is the Lord’s and if we insult you then we are looking into the mirror. Like it or NOT PACT Goverrnment will be in power after 2011 elections. We have studied all the arithmetic loopholes at electoral commission. Keep in mind that MMD has been RIGGING elections from 2001 and we have all the evidence. TRUTH PAINS BUT MMD is the out-going government.
As it stands today there seem to be no efforts being made by Mr Sata and Mr Hichilema in addressing this matter.
As articulated in the speeches by both of them at the rally, the need to remain united is unquestionable.
But do the two also acknowledge that delays to come up with a single leader could spoil whatever momentum has been gained so far.
It is one year today since the Pact was mooted and the two parties have not selected a candidate.
Mr Sata acknowledged during the rally that the PF and the UPND have continued differing on many issues but he was happy that the two parties have remained in the Pact. He also agreed that it was only through a united force with the UPND that the opposition could come out as a serious challenger to the MMD.
“We have differed on many occasions but it is good that despite differing we did not divorce,” Mr Sata said.
Mr Sata urged the UPND to stop ‘poaching’ his members but instead get members from MMD.
Mr Hichilema also admitted that the opposition failed to out-muscle the MMD on many occasions and it was through a pact that they have hope of scooping the 2011 elections.
But this hope remains a tiny hole going by what the political scenario is now in Zambia.
The two opposition leaders have declared that the Pact was unstoppable and they were determined to get into Government come 2011. But the fact is the two parties have lost substantial support in their stronghold provinces. Take a look at the recent parliamentary by- elections held recently. UPND support in Southern Province is no longer unquestioned just like the PF s trength in Northern and Luapula province has been shaken recently.
WHATEVER code names you use to sniff on behalf of MMD, we will not reveal our preseidential candidate. Please tell your sponsors that we do NOT hate anyone of them personally and even after winning we do not have matters to settle BUT a Zambia to develop. However, we will prosecute ALL corruption cases without fail keeping in mind that JUSTICE must be done.
I have personaly not seen any meangful development by the mmd because even the airport they are using to rash to Morningside or rather tourisming (the language RB understands most) was left by Kaunda. UTH where they take other ministers that they don’t treasure most was left by Kaunda, all the second class goverment schools in each district where an ordinaly zaqmbian employee can manage to take their children where left by Kaunda, our own KALINGALINGA UNIVERSITY(UNZA) was left by kaunda. What the Movement of mad dogs have done is just to impose high fees on these lerning institutions and the subside that the gvt is supposed to make towards free education goes in their pockets as their name suggests MMD (MAKE MONEY AND DISSAPEAR)!!
So have the pact realised how much work they have ahead of them and just how little time they have before they could put their house in order.
Currently the MMD are more organised.
Pact strength
The Pact could be winning the by-elections against the MMD in places like Mufumbwe and Solwezi (North-Western Province) but they should do their mathematics well by analysing the victory margins.
The MMD on the one hand lost by small margins in all the by-elections in North-Western Province . These are areas where the opposition claims to be their stronghold. The MMD victory in places such as Milanzi (Eastern Province) was wide. The MMD candidate in Milanzi won by more than 3,000 votes while the MMD’s loss in the Mufumbwe poll was a paltry 300 votes.Maybe the sentiments by MMD spokesperson Dora Siliya that the Pact was not going anywhere comes from such observations.
TELL RB that we love him so much but the end of his government is fast approaching
Conclusion
The formation of pacts is healthy to any democracy. Zambians have seen pacts and alliances come and go. But such alliance must have relevance to the people of the country with clear manifestos on what they hope to do for the people. Pacts merely formed with the sole aim of dislodging a sitting Government raises suspicions as to the motives. Is it for personal aggrandisement or to better the lot of the masses. Zambians are watching.
THIS CHI MWATA..
YOU WROTE THE ARTICLE AND YOU ARE BUSY BLOGGING ALONE. CHI PURE MMD.
ALL THOSE AGAINST OUR PACT MA… CHE ..NDE.. YANU PLIZZ..
Wina azaka lila pa Last!!!!!!!! let them go it alone are so scared of MMD? so guys without the PACT as a united force MMD wins thats not right , we need a party that will challenge MMD one on one.
Namwala chiefs slam HH
SEVEN traditional leaders of Chief Nalubamba’s area of Namwala District have denounced United Party for National Development (UPND) leader Hakainde Hichilema for suspending Namwala Central Member of Parliament (MP) Robbie Chizyuka from the party.
The headmen and Namwala residents said Mr Hichilema had messed up the votes from the district following his decision to suspend Maj Chizyuka from the party.
The headmen said they were saddened by Mr Hichilema’s action to suspend Maj Chizyuka who campaigned hard and managed to make the district a stronghold of the UPND.
Sata and HH have gone beyond themselves and achieved what no other political leader in zambian has achieved. It does not matter who becomes a president, what matters is that we trust HH and sata for their good combination of breaking the tribal barriers. this article is bias, and has MMD bad thought, I call it nonse. these guys launched the pact, they did not go for convention to choose a candidate, understand terms well.
The headmen said they could not further rally behind Mr Hichilema because they cooperated well with the MP and his suspension would bring negative effects to the party in the district.
Speaking during a meeting at Mbeza area in Halupusu Village where Maj Chizyuka went to narrate his relationship with Mr Hichilema, the headmen only agreed to support UPND if Mr Chizyuka was recalled.
Headman Petrol Munakabanze said Mr Hichilema should have used Maj Chizyuka to lobby for more support from the people of Namwala.
MMD, Welcome to the beginning of your end.
Mr Munakabanze said they did not understand the type of leadership and politics Mr Hichilema was exhibiting if he could not listen to people like their MP who gave him advise not to form a pact with Michael Sata’s Patriotic Front (PF).
Winder Mbulo said Mr Hichilema had lost a true campaigner and mobiliser who used to clearly articulate UPND’s manifesto and made the people of Namwala District to be convinced that he was the best candidate for 2011.
Mr Mbulo said the people of Namwala knew Maj Chizyuka as a person who held the party together in the area because of his relations with the grassroots.
Robert Munkombwe said it was evident that the UPND leaders had lost vision and were now following blindly by joining the pact.
Mr Munkombwe said Mr Hichilema should follow the foot steps of late Anderson Mazoka.
“In Namwala District here it is totally difficult for the people to support the pact. We have refused the pact,” he said.
VIVA PACT !! mmd OUT!!
This so called pact launch was surely the joke of the century. Just like PF cadres fail to explicitly explain how the PF 90 day economic miracle can be achieved, they fail to also explain what exactly was launched. Can someone please tell me what was launched.
They wasted a golden opportunity to articulate developmental issues and explain what they plan to do if they had to make government. Instead the so called launch was a contest between Mr. Sata and Mr. Hichilema on who can insult the govt and its officials the most.
Zambians clearly deserve a better opposition. I am not surprised that Mr. Sata and the PF can engage in this. After all, this is how the PF has been this whole time since inception.
Good rally like always. The launch was the best in terms of attendancy and it has inspired many Zambians who would want to see change of goverment.It remains to be seen if these inspirational leaders can stand to the expectations of their supporters.
It nice to have a strong oppossing which can provide checks and balances.
Mr Capitalist is Elias Munshya wa Munshya.
:)>-:)>-
The goodness is that now Zambia is full of new non-tribal youths. These youths are all tribes— with a tonga father, Bemba mother, Lozi grad mother, Ngoni grand father… Hmmmmm this is great for there is no place for tribal voting. Not only this, now people of Zambia have left the nosense of Kingdoms in their stinking archives of the 17 th century. To day all people throught out the world are working together for development sake.
Thus People of Zambia are ready to vote for who ever is chosen as PACT president. And mind you, the PACT president shall be anounce a day before voting day. This is a strategy so that the MMD spends slepless nights for these 15 months remaining. We want the MMD bum-lickers to grow more desperate and angry at themselves.:)>-:)>-:)>-
never mind this black clown who wrote this stinking article. poor analysis indeed.
# 64 Mwata
Comrade MWATA, u are very DULL!! I think mwata is Shikapwasha, who just talk without thinking?? The opposition GRABBED to seats from the MMD meaning i’ts mmd’s stronghold coz they owned those two respective seats. The UPND only had two seats in North western Province i.e Mwinilunga and Zambezi EAST respectively as for now the seats have increased to four out of which two were previously for the outgoing rulling party. So what stronghold are u talking about here?? UPND also managed to grab all the local government seats during the by elections except for one in Kasempa. So DO NOT jst talk without thinking otherwise the sooner u do the hghier the chances of expossing ur INGORANCE!!
The only CONSTANT that I can see here is CHANGE. It is exactly the samething that prevailed in 1991. Then, it did not matter who stood as what but as long as they were on the MMD ticket, they exceled. It is exactly the same scenario now! Change is the only constant here.
#68,you are right, the ma..che..nde are ours just as you have yours!
heee…people of the bountifull Land Zambia. Let us sing a song of victory over the fall of MMD, over the madness of Senior Citizen/Mwata/Vetran as now both of them are laughing stock in our Land.
Let us all go forth to our repectiful villagers and tell our people that tribe does not matter but development.
Let us tell our dear people that time of Kingdoms is long gone..there is no Tonga Kingdom, No Bemba kingdom, No Lozi kingdom, no Mwata Kazembe kingdom, No Ngoni Kingdom, etc.
But let us tell them that today the world is removing unperforming gonvents such as the MMD in favour of Coalition gonvts such as the UK govnt.
Let us all go in unity to vote for the PACT in 2011 so that we arrest the MMD great muwelewele, chief of the thieves Chiluba, murderer Musonda, etc…
LT should fire this author, poor writing skills, repetitions, no core, rhetoric analysis… just unbelievable
IM STARTING TO DOUBT IF “LUSAKA TIMES” IS INDEPENDENT, WHY DO WE FIND GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA THESE DAYS. WHETHER THE PACT HAS FAULTS, ITS SIMPLE CAPITALISE ON THEM, WHY SPREAD PROPAGANDA. WE ALL KNOW MMD HAS RUN OUF OF IDEAS AND SHAME ON YOU LUSAKA TIMES, WE USED TO RELY ON YOU, BUT YOU ARE JUST A PIECE OF PROPAGANDA NOW.
DEAR GOD
Grow our leaders to be like You, Jesus. Help them to see You as their greatest treasure. Help them to willingly submit to Your authority — as they bend their knee in obedience to Your vision — and lead the rest of us out of the darkness into the light. I know it is Your will to use them to bring love, peace and joy back into this world. To You be all the honor and glory!
God Bles Zambia, God Bless the unity being advocated by your people..You have told us that where two agree it shall be so in heaven
Thank you Lord for listening to our prayers.
Amen!!
Hello everybody, Katie is missing from the blog and missing you all. She has gone back to school but will be back soon, hopefully using her newly acquired skills on the blog.
For now let me say this: the PACT leader is naturally Mr Sata and there is no two ways about it if this is a true alliance. In any true alliance the leader is provided by the largest party which is also assumed to be the most popular. Those of you who give the example of Cameron as a young leader (to support HH) should not be selective but also see that in UK the alliance there is headed by Cameron and not the other guy. Come on guys this is not rocket science. Bye for now until I come back.
We are going to have two presidents for the pact until elections are over in 2011.The two will be President NothEast region and president Southwest region so we can have more votes thereafter we shall sit down and choose the one to lead and the Vice president who will not be fired by the top leadership.After 1 term the vice takes over.How is that gents and women.Viva Pact
My death was exaggerated, but am have been off line because I have been in transition for a week now and just settled in my new assignment which I will not disclose this time around. Thanks to all the progressives that have been towing the party line of Great MMD.
Back to the article above, well a lot said but as I have advised Munshya in the past. It is high time he stopped throwing good food to the P I G S. They will just trample on it. Expert me to blog more. We don’t need these PACT people addicted to losing assume power. Let them believe that in their dream come 2011 we shall cream them. major developments going on in all majors cities and let them watch grab the urban vote. And they continue being duped by the fallacy of composition
This is a great article…keep it up. The fact that you’re highlihting the what PACT should avoid does not make you MMD. This is timely warning. I suggest Sata and HH should must not be the only candidates from the PACT list. We need more names… if this pact is to be considered a unit, PF and UNDP labels must be removed. Let’s widen the pool of presido candidates within the pact.
I for one support presidential candidate for Zambian President elect in 2011.
With the above hope, I envision MMD Administration President Rupiah Bwezani Banda to vote for presidential candidate HH in the 2011 tripartite elections even if he may be on the ballot papers.
For the PF-UPND PACT, I wish to ask the PACT to continue its marriage without divorce as Mr self-appoint PF leader put it but both president HH and unelected-leader MC Sata must stand for Zambian President in the 2011 elections so that all PF-UPND PACT members can vote for a President who each needs on that election day — because the elections of the PACT governing council will not represent the individual votes of PACT PF and UPND members.
MMD should stop hullucinating and wait for Zambians to vote a President…
Mwe bantu elyo naisa pa system, people like Capitalist, Veteran and Mwata are real die hard supporters, they can see that they are peddling in a sinking canoe..your amaze me with your postings..
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… of Zambia.
My above contribution is in line with “During a campaign rally in the 2006 Presidential elections in Kaoma district Mr. Hichilema’s tribalism was clear when he said that people should not vote for Hon. Sikota because he had teamed up with Mr. Sata and the Bembas in PF” that the bitter ULP’s sichone has put up using the Zambian Watch Dog platform under a title “ULP takes on HH“.
Thus Bembas, Ngonis, Lozis, Luvales, Tongas, etc. tribes, and hibrid tribe-d Zambians, will each individually vote for the person they believe will be best suitable to become Zambian President.
Also I do like the fact that 2011 presidential candidate, UPND president, HH has remained silent on the question that will he accept to be vice.
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Matt…
AGONY IS KEEPING ELIAS MUNSHYA IN SUSPENSE ABOUT THE PACT 2011 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE!!!!!!!! SUGGESTION TO ELIAS…..JUST JOIN THE PACT AND SAVE YOURSELF FROM BP AND A POSSIBLE STROKE OVER WHO LEADS THE PACT…….THEY SAY, IF YOU CAN’T BEAT THEM, JOIN THEM, SIMPLE. :((:((:((
Munshya, Wapya ba PACT baisa !!!!!!!!!!!
Is this an analysis or a critic? Whatever it is it just lucks objectivity,the Pact has repeatedly said that its part of strategy not to announce its presidential candidate%-(%-(
It is better stratagy to keep the enemy guessing while you make your moves. The PACT is doing fine in this. MMD has no crue of whom to attack: HH or Sata. He he he.
#73,u r right on MWATA. His tongue is sleeperly too.This guy is 4rom NW and dull as usual. NW is stil a village. It is the only province endored with vast resources & has one of the giant investors in Zambia, but alas, people stil dont wear shoes & r illetrate.If his got a relative in the name of KONGA,KANGANJA,MALANJI & the many at Bank of Zambia who r prominently cowards, let him warp. Howbeit, driving a point home takes the whole blog!!! malabish!!!!. launching a particular party does not mean announcing leaders or it is one step to that. They r taking their time, building confidence in each other, merging party values and much more bringing together PF & UPND affiliates to see the fight as one. Its about a year before next elections so why panick? MMD is being confused……..period.
#96, Ba Sulu,
I agree with you. The MMD is now a party of BP sufferrers. Starting from RB, to Dora, to William Banda, all way down to the author of the article above.
We shold send them to SA for medication.
From the POST’s “UPND, PF agreed not to compete against each other – Hichilema“, some caller posed a question according to “a Mr Mizhi who described himself as Hichilema’s traditional cousin asked if he was ready to serve under Sata.
“I want you to tell me the truth from the bottom of your heart. The pact that you have entered in with Mr Sata the writings are on the wall no doubt about this. It is Mr Sata who is going to be adopted as a presidential candidate from that pact. Now badala, again I repeat tell me the truth from the bottom of your heart. Are you ready to serve under Mr Michael Chilufya Sata?” Mizhi asked.
But Hichilema maintained that the Pact had not decided on the candidate yet.”
Mr presidential candidate HH just jumped around as I…
#101 morningside right? Olo pa UTH kuli DR MUSONDA!!!!!!! hehehehe.
No 102 – you are saying too many things without saying anything!..please wait for the pact to announce the candidate when ready, it is none of your business…it is our strategy, we want to confuse you so that you continue shooting in the dark..
Zambian Watch Dog is a better blogging site. How can a sane person write such a rubbish article? Someone wastes their time on such a childish article? Ba MMD you are a shame
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2011 presidential candidate HH according to the POST Newspaper article in response to the above question then said ““…That Mr Sata will be adopted candidate, that’s not true, absolutely not true. If you say it’s Hakainde, that is not true also because we have not decided and we have explained this several times… We have set a process, we have set a procedure,” Hichilema said”
To me and any normal English Language understanding person, UPND president HH clearly told the Nation IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT CORRECT/TRUE THAT MR PF/SATA MC WILL BE 2011 PACT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE while it is just also not true that HH will be presidential candidate, BUT IT IS NOT ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT president HH wont be PACT presidential…
#106, you r the dumbest blog i have come accross. HH does not want to be quoted wrongly & there r procedures. Do u know that RB has hijacked the MMD convention? NEC has no power? Magande, Kavindele and Mpombo r trying and they r being counter attached and embroiled in unfounded cases. Thats dictatorship my friend. PF – UPND have held their status as equals full stop. There will be a convention in the near future when according to PACT constitution, they will unvell or choose to adopt the running candidate.Clear. Yours is not normal English, U r understanding in vernacular. Mind you, this is giving headarch to MMD cadres like u,KAFUPI,RB,VJ,Shika,the church(pentecostals) and the many gullibles or MMD parasites. Some cant survive without being corrupt.
To me and any normal English Language understanding person, UPND president HH clearly told the Nation IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT CORRECT/TRUE THAT MR PF/SATA MC WILL BE 2011 PACT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE while it is just also not true that HH will be presidential candidate, BUT IT IS NOT ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT president HH wont be PACT presidential candidate.
So, it is now clear that the 2011 tripartite only or sole presidential candidate for the UPND-PF PACT is president HH.
Even Mr Sata MC according to the POST’s “And Sata phoned in to compliment Hichilema… “My brother has handled the programme very, very well. I want to compliment him,” also indicated that HH tolde the truth.
Have a blessed day all.
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Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God and…
Everyone in Zambia will jubilate when the MMD is removed from power.Only those who have a heart of a dog will cry for this good for nothing MMD.This article is rubbish,why would the author insist of the Pact President when the two parties have said they will anounce later?.The problem is that we have alot of danderheads in Zambia,people like the Author Munshya is an empty tin who knows probably that he wont produce a child for the rest of his life and wants to eat with Rupiah and finnish everything.Shame on MMD
107 bruce lee, greetings. Following your “Yours is not normal English, U r understanding in vernacular. Mind you, this is giving headarch to MMD cadres like u,KAFUPI,RB,VJ,Shika,the church(pentecostals) and the many gullibles or MMD parasites” above, just check what the meaning of the English word absolutely means from a dictionary. If you cant find one, consult someone who got a better grade than you did in the English Language subject or course.
Have a blessed day.
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2 Timothy 4:2-4:
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4: …
I really liked the POST’s ““If something happens to me, comrade, even a mere accident, it should not be treated as a mere road accident. It should be put on the heads of Mr Chiluba [FJT] and Mr Rupiah Banda and their friends,” M’membe told Dr Kaunda” since those who failed to make normal progressive in school to be conferred a PhD or become medical doctors are abusing the DOCTOR, Dr, Title by misusing it.
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2 Timothy 4:2-4:
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned…
pakitiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good article,i will watch at a distance as the days gravities towards the voting day.Needless to talk.
I laud the author of this article Elias for a well artuclated article. He hits the nail on the head squarely! The pact for success has to start with sorting out the candidature of a president, is it Sata or HH? if they sort that issue out now, then they can market their candidate between now and 2011. There isn’t much time to be shuffling their Pact feet! There are party members who would not do with one of the leaders if chosen to stand. That needs to be clear today and not close to election day in 2011. What kind of planning is that? MMD ably predicted that the Pact will disintegrate come 2011 because of the unsorted leadership candidacy. Both HH and Sata are not individuals to accept second place. Tukamona!
I have repeatedly Challenged this guy to write an article well articulated and giving us an insight of
1.where he thinks MMD has lost it
2.what needs to be done to win back pipo’s support
3. why the Kwacha 2day is trading at K 5,200 under the leadership of one RB when it was at K3200 when LPM was president?
Mr Munshya am still waiting and i must say am as patient as that bird.
For someone to belong to a club or association you should have a membership card.Since the inception of PF on the Zambian polictics i have never seen a PF MEMBERSHIP CARD.The UPND/PF pact,please educate me,from the general understanding,it is only UPND who has members(MEMBERSHIP CARD),as PF the members are not here or there.
Please kindly let me know if PF MEMBERSHIP CARD are available?
Clearly another MMD-sponsored analysis. Not worth commeinting on.
#116 peter mulenga, you write as if you are not even in Europe (at least by your flag). Have you ever seen a political card in any of the countries of the EU? For your own enlightment, there are no “democrat” or “Republican” party membership cards here in the US. So don’t clever by half and ri.dicu.lo.us in your analysis on this blog. Can you tell us: What was the purpose of holding a UNIP card when Zambia was a one party state was?
Wafwa Mashika @ 41, and all these are just in the course of this YEAR!!! Unbelievable! You really have to top of the dumbest to still remian aboard this sinking ship called MMD!
General Laurent Nkunda @ 39, my sentiments exactly. This is nothing but another paid MMD ghost writer.
#118
Thanks for educating the masses out there inclusive of myself,but do not command me,and i quote “Can you tell us”………Use moderate language,”kufunza sikulakwa”
Can’t wait for 2011 wina azalila lovely Zedians check your facts:d/
Brilliant article Elias Munshya. Keep up with the good job.
My advice to the people of Zambia is they should keep their eyes on the ball as they pass through this period of the comedy of errors engineered by the MMD.
Munshya`s article lacks substance and is full of naivity.It doesn`t take much to realise that the author is an MMD surrogate and hoodlum.How can Munshya suggest the immediate dissolution of UPND and PF to form a new political party.Doesn`t this naive author realise that unnecesary bye elections will have to be called if his suggestions are to be followed.I wonder why LT continues to give this troll space to write frivolous articles.
Its so noticeable that intelligent and broad minded Zedians dont write essays here – why? even in exam, failures alwasy waffle pages of nosense, crapping elephant size crap. We intelligent Zedians stick to points. PACT is coming to govern, PERIOD.
Chapi @ 125, wonder no more my brother, for even LT are paid agents of the MMD. How else can they possibly see sense in the drivel that this guy writes? I also question the intelligence of those on this blog that praise the junk from this man as
Fi MMD, think of how you will sort out the mess in yous filthy party. For us whoever stands between Sata and HH will be our man!!!!! VIVA PACT.
Senior Citizen
To hell with your analysis. How dare you say the followers of the PACT are dull, hooligans, ignorant etc. Hey wash up, open your eyes. Who are more civilised, educated, intelligent, analytical etc- the people along the line of rail who have been voting for the opposition or the villagers(rural-whose exixstence we doubt) who have been voting for your rotten MMD? You think all of us with our school papers are daft like you who support for your stomach today forgeting about tomorrow. When things are ok in a country you don’t have to bootlick anyone to feed your family, thats what most Zambians are crying for. You are enjoying where you are coz those pipo sweated for what they are today-am sure you are not in Zambia. So go create a blogg for your wise villagers.Anyandule!!
The analyst is an MMD cadre, straight. The pact will deliver just like in 1991. Who is not in the mood of change in Zambia today? only those benefiting from the ruling MMD like the author of this article together with fredrick chiluba. the analysis is all flawed. firstly it is a strategy not to quickly settle for a candidate. we know what we are doing. the masses are behind us. we are masses driven. it is not true that southerners wont vote for Sata. That is a lie from the author. It is unintellectual to categorically conclude thus. What southerners want is definitely for HH to be president but if not then he must be vice president with conditions attached such that he can’t be fired anyhow. We know Sata’s history but when we look at RB we better have Sata with HH on his side.
Guys serve your breath. This is simple. The PACT will carry the day whichever candidate they field. The author has raised a lot of flawed analyzes on the part of the leaders of the pact and the followers of the patc, but I will break it down simply to him. When we say the PACT will carry the day we are not as stupid as to think that it will be a simple case of adding the percentages of the votes the two parties got in the previous election, no. Yes in southern province a lot wouldn’t vote for Sata if he is chosen as the leader of the PACT but remember we don’t need all the votes in southern province we only need a few to carry the day and you cant tell me that if Sata is chosen then he will have Zero votes from southern province. The same goes for HH.
its sweet to rule and not to be ruled. sata and hh only know how to lose like zed soccer. winners are in state house and ku world cup ku south. you can talk and talk while your friend laughs all the way to plot one. you just see it as you pass along independence avenue. mulekeni banda ateke calo mutende. we love peace thats why we dont make mistakes when voting. only the minority zambiaan make mistake when voting. balemitungulula. you can insult but that wont take you anywhere it just shows how bitter you are that hh and mr sata always lose elections. banda rupiah state house another term. pact ni porridge
Ba Mwisho Munshya,
Please stop playing silly games here. You know deep down your heart that Southerners would rather vote for Sata than RB if HH is working witn Sata. Look at RB’s appointments how many Southerners has he appointed in key positions for them to even think of voting for him. Of all past Zambian leaders RB has completely sidelined Southerns. I am sure together Sata and HH will come up with a more balanced cabinet that will reflect the aspirations of all Zambia.
It also follows that if HH if chosen as the Pact leader Northerners would prefer voting for him since he will be working closely with Sata and they won’t feel sidelined as has been the case in this current MMD govt.
So please spare us your wishfull thinking and shallow analysis!!!
Munsha spare us your ignorance. People of Southern province hate MMD as a party and even if people like Chizyuka can contest on MMD ticket they would lose shockingly. Late president Mwanawasa’s father was buried in Namwala but people of Namwala could not vote for MMD because it is a useless party of thieves.
Out of all people, how can Sata be a solution to Zambia? Looks like Zambians are too desperate n have short memories. Willie Nsanda and GBM should surely be our leaders? What a joke. It wnt happen. umodzi kummawa.