Dr Musonda who reported at Woodlands Police Station in the company of his lawyer yesterday around 18:15 hours for questioning in connection with the shooting incident of a Patriotic Front (PF) youth, Jackson Musaka, in Serenje two weeks ago was only officially charged around 20:40 hours.
His arrest and subsequent charging by the police followed the decision by president Rupiah Banda yesterday to relieve him of his duties with immediate effect.
Dr Musonda who was released on police bond is expected to appear before a Magistrate court today for possible plea.
And Police spokesperson Bonny Kapeso confirmed to journalists last evening the arrest and charging of Dr Musonda.
In relieving him of his duties, president Banda said he had received a report indicating that the Director of Public Prosecutions had recommended for the prosecution of the Dr Musonda following a shooting incident in his Chitambo Constituency.
[ QFM ]
So meaning the police were waiting for the president to Act. 😮
The charge should be attempted murder, how do you use a gun,shoot someone in the head and get charged with grievous harm with intent to maim,disfigure or disable.If he wanted to maim or disfigure he should have aimed for the leg or any other limb:o
Why not give bail to the PF MP for money laundering and the Police gives bail to a man with intent to kill. Double standards are being applied in the law process. Why should the opposition be looked up each time when killers are left ont he loose.
The case of Dr. Musonda reminds me of the Kambarange Kaunda shooting. I remember how KK forced a bill in parliament that said one had only to pay K10,000 for a shooting offence. That was at the time MMD was coming up and therefore there was a lot of pressure on the police to incacerate Kambarange. The rest is history. Coming to Dr. Musonda, I believe RB just run out options especially with the up comming 2 by elections. I can positively say RB will still find a way to rescue Dr. Musonda, you just wait.Just llok at the excuse of the DPP being away as areason not to arraign Dr Musonda meanwhile nonentities were being arrested in the absence of the DPP.
Musonda meant to kill and the charge should be attempted murder. Musonda is a murderer period.
Police again at it working under RB instruction so that he can later bring back the criminal into his government as now is the pattern of RB of fire and rehire as exhibited in Dora and Namulambe’s cases.
In the Head?!!!!!!! and you cal it disabling?!!!! crap man. That man wanted to kill, period.
You shoot someone in the head or indeed chest with an intent to kill. That’s why police often shoot in the air or the legs when their aim iz not to kill.
Our justice system is in a serious crisis. You mean no one can be arrested until the President gives the DDP go ahead? Im gutted. Thats why we didnt want the NCC because we knew that there’s no way the real issues would be sorted. Whatever clause in the consititution that lets weak leaders the RB abuse people and make amockery of the life of every citizen is what should have been at the centre of any constitution review not the rubbish we heard..
police is become unprofessional…how do u give those charges…do shoot someone in the head and say u aimed todisable…thats murder u niggers.
Has anyone realized that Senior Citizen known for his brazen bashes on the opposition with articulate spin doctoring on matters of politics, public policy, economics, democracy and constitutional law, is deafeningly silent on criminal matters. He never commented on Dr.Katele Kalumba’s conviction, Chiluba/ regina cases, RP capital tribunal, and now on Dr. Musonda’s case. Can someone explain why he is mute and absent on all threads carrying criminal matters? Why doesn’t he spin on criminal matters when he has tireless on matters of economics, politics, democracy and constitutional law? The other thing is why is it that despite taking so many insults, SC does not fire back or any of the MMD propandists here return back insults to their enemies? Could it be a nature of propaganada training?
Mr.Capitalist, MMD Chief Bootlicker, Veteran and Saint, any reason why Senior Citizen is ever absent from blog threads that carry criminal cases? Why doesn’t he comment? Its a big mystery to me.Don’t tell me he doesn’t like commenting on cases before the court because Musonda’s case has just opened yet he has never commented. Will he comment on Mark Mushili?
PF cadres, stop whining. It is a matter of procedures.
Police record warn and caution statement, Police hand over case to DPP, DPP assesses evidence and presents report to President, President relieve Deputy Minister of his duties, Police move in.
Learn to follow procedures please. We know the PF has no respect for procedures. This is why a PF sympathizer in the name of Mr. Hichilema refused to follow procedure and directly donated food stuffs to flood victims without considering the consequences. He deliberately refused to follow procedure but instead used it as a political campaign. The same PF refuses to hold conventions and also lied to the people that they will produce a PF report on PF led councils.
#1 my question too. My other question did the victim die?:-w
#12 Mr. Capitalist- What pocedure? How can one say the Dr. could not be arrested because the DPP was out of Zambia? Does it mean none was arrested when this so called DPP was out of the country? What about Chngwe’s bouncing cheque? Truth is RB was wheighing options especially with the forth coming by elections. He is also thinking what to do with Mrs Changwe’s bouncing cheque saga.
Dora was relieved of her duties but after being found with no case to answere she was reappointed and even elevated. Musonda will be reappointed. Wait and See. Is attempted murder bailable?
“How can one say the Dr. could not be arrested because the DPP was out of Zambia?”
Deja Vu you are a liar. I never said this. Produce a quote where I said this. I know the PF is full of liars as is evident from the lie they told the Zambian people that they will produce a PF report on PF led councils but please if you are going to quote me, quote the truth.
“Does it mean none was arrested when this so called DPP was out of the country?”
Well I don’t know what it means but I am not obligated to answer this question because it is a follow up from a false accusation you are yet to prove.
“What about Chngwe’s bouncing cheque?”
What about it? Was Mrs Changwe reported to the proper authorities? If so then take it up with them and not me.
CHECKE THIS OUTE !! RB should realy just learn to keep his mouth shut.Sometimes that helps a great deal …
was he not the same man who was saying something to the tune of ” mybe he had a reason for shooting the man ” and he turns around to fire him …bit late for public image rebiulding if you ask me.
# Iwe Capitalist. You are talking about procedures but cant comprehend what you are talking about. No one is saying YOU should take responsibility for your MP. Your government arrested and charged Mpombo on a similar case. And stop responding to comments as if you are the Authority. Dont just support.learn to acknowledge failure even if it is from your masters.
#12 and 16 Mr. Capitalist…..:)):)):)):)):)) you have been caught pants down trying to defend things that cant be defended. RB and his govt have publicily shown that they interfere in the operations of the police.
Your sentence ‘Police record warn and caution statement, Police hand over case to DPP, DPP assesses evidence and presents report to President, President relieve Deputy Minister of his duties, Police move in’. Ministers have no prosecution immunity so there was no reason to wait for Musonda to be relieved of his duties. Simply put, if RB did not relieve Musonda, the Police would not have moved in :)):)) think before you blog and defend your animal farm govt. Will see what will happen to Lucy since she also bounced a cheque!
CHECKE THIS OUTE !! Some may erroneously think Rupiah has for the first time succumbed to public pressure. Rupiah has no respect for public pressure; he doesn’t care about the feelings of the people. Rupiah’s decision to drop Dr Musonda and have him prosecuted has very little, if not nothing, to do with public pressure. It has everything to do with being outmanoeuvred by those assisting the victim. Rupiah has simply been outmanoeuvred.
I can imagine how RB must be feeling about Lucy’s bounced cheque! If they were thiking of fixing Mpombo, it has backfired coz whatever they do to Mpombo, they should also to to Lucy since law operates on precendence :)):)):)):)):)):)) am so loving the circus in Zed! =))=))=))=))=))
Those of you that talk to RB advise him to stop protecting these criminal ridden ministers. What RB needs is the support of the VOTERS not the support of these wolves!
Please tell me,who is Police in zambia,Does RP ,mean Republic Police ,or Rupiah Banda.Where was police all this time,why did they act after Bwezani says something….This is bulllshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiitt
CHECKE THIS OUTE !! Mkhondo Lungu, Rupiah’s newly appointed UNIP Minister of Home Affairs…??when in Gods name did this take place , yaba…and its a lungu for that matter..EASTENER..not that i have anything against them …
And have you noticed lately how many BANDA’S are in GRZ , in influential positions for that matter , starting with the passport office boss lady ..not a bad grown lady .would not mind her. if you catch my ENGRISH.
These hard core founders of MMD will soon be founders from the outside in looking at UNIP TJ KAUNDA”S MONNKEYS EATING BANNANA ‘s
The charge is correct and suitable.. We should not allow thugs to threaten citizens. The good thing Musonda has been charged and he can defend himself in court and this is a warning to thugs and cadres both from MMD and PF-UPND pact to stop avoid threatening cotozens with violence.. Alot of Zambians are armed and to avoid this is to exercise restraint from threatning.. I do belive Musonda was protecting himself but did not know how to use the fire arm..
ATTEMPTED MURDER please!!!!!!!!! This is very provocative, where are the lawyers in Zambia and what do they study? I have never been to law school but I know that shooting someone in the head can only be with intent to kill! Fortunately the guy survived but attempted murder still remains the charge. Circus in our president, police, DPP and judicial system has just gone too far!
Bail is swiftly given to an attempted murderer while PF MPs, Mmembe, Fr. Bwalay and other critics were locked up for mere misdemeanors.
What about Muzungu’s son who killed some youths in Mufumbwe? there will be no charges for him????
NUMBER 12-I conclude something is wrong with you..are you sure if it was a common zambian (especially that I am not MMD) like me will go through those so called procedures (actually foolish procedures)…..and what is that charge?? please the charge is ATTEMPTED MURDER simple and period……
Where’s George Kunda kansi,he’s been very quiet lately,i hear there’s a lot of panicking in the corridors of power,I expected him to comment on the PACT launch as he is always claiming that the PACT is crumbling and disintegrating or atleast on the Zamtel/RP capital deal…maybe he was not give a cut!
sibanamudyesemo kangono kaku RP capital, RB na Dora pulled a quick one on him:)>-
DEUCES bane
The charge against Dr Musonda is quite baffling to say the least, bushe libwe bamutobele Musaka nangu nimfuti babomfeshe? Justice the Zambian way!
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😕 Clever avoiding attempted murder so that he can be bailed out. Throw him in jail with the rest of the Zambian folk who cases have gone unheard for years.
#28, Kunda is sick that he can no longer make any noise at all.
Big lesson to poor cadres, it does not pay to be used in fruitless causes. This chap thought he was doing PF and Sata a favour but he has been wrecked alone for life and the outcome of this theatre is very clear for Musonda. The loser is the victim, PF and Sata. The motive has failed flat. They will have to think seriously twice next time such a strategy will have to be on their tables. This has really exposed, embarrased and weakened Ba Sata that his strategies are a dead-end. Just in what capacity and under what law was this victim mounting a road block on a public road? Surely this was designed to be a pilot project meant for all ministers around the country had it been incident free. Will they pick it up again? They gata be dimwits to follow instructions.
#33 Mojo….It looks like you have been away from Zed for ages. In zambia today my dear, its common to find youths and women repairing roads and asking the motorists to pay as they drive past. If the heckled this Musonda guy, he should have shown restraint and acted maturely.
#12 capitalist, # 24suntwe, #33mojo i agree with you level headedness no blind following by factual as issues stand. musonda has been arrested so law will take its course. Im pretty sure the truth will come out. ba pact want to politicise everything for them to gain mileage but in vanity
RB will never act out of emotion he follows law. he was not going to be prompted into action by weeklypost or pf sata. all he has done is relieve musonda off his duties then the rest is up to the courts. kabonde acted profesionally by taking refering case to dpp. what kind of governance can get out of these lawless pf/upnd. learn to follow procedure.
#23 Kabudula Bamba – your engrish is quite funny hahahaha!
It puzzles me that people in their right mind will still support the actions taken by police to charge the so called Dr Musonda for intent to harm,maim & disable. Waiting for RB to make a decision-where r the courts & police? R these being run by state house or RB now? People that have not even stolen a dime r incacerated(Fred) & murders r let out. This is supposed to be attempted murder,however, in suiting thier whims, this psycopathy in the name of DR, is let to enjoy life he wanted to take out of someone else. This is a weakness that RB has shown. DR Musonda will not help win 2011. Infact come 2011, this man wil be in jail. The same courts will convict him of attempted murder not this engineered trial we r witnessing. I for one knows only one right procedure-arrest the suspect & try him
Why do I get the feeling this is a show for donor? First your presdo(he is not my presdo,did not vote for him) needed to study something a grade two can explain to you, then donors, who are always watching from the shadows, decide to withdraw funding your presdo suddenly finished studying the so called report and takes action. First of all MOH is stinking with corruption, donors are facing finical crisis of their own and when they give to Zambia it is in good faith at most. To see their money spent on luxury cars and homes instead of health was more than insulting but to see these same culprits who misused that money running around the country gun happy and shooting defenceless citizens and most of all walking around with there heads held high untouchable was the last nail in the coffin
I am equally not happy with police’s raection Dr reported at 18:15 and 20:40hrs he was released on police bond while Fred Mmembe who was fight the right cause and he was thrown in jail
It was the case of this so called doctor that led to final decision of donor money been withdrawn from Zambia. He is a deputy minister of health who can shoot anyone he likes without the law touching him and the head of state defending him, what more of donor money if they have no regard for another life and law? So Mr RB wants to be seen like he is at work and tough but this action is a few weeks to late. Maybe you can pull the wool over some villagers’ eyes but not on the international scale you trying to do it Mr Presdo, you are not dealing with small boys. You should having suspended him from the word go even if it was allegations until he was cleared, not now. The damage is already done, we are not fools who can’t see where this case will end up, in the same dust bin as kafupi’s.
I can have officially increased RB’s approval rating by 1%.
We have officially increased RB’s approval rating by 1%.
***silly typos.
You what’s happening now? Its Mutati’s fault. I’m so furious. He insulted all Zambians.
Another one!
I give up!
Senior Citizen and all the rest of you that write up brown nose sentiments here, when the time comes RB will save his head, yours will roll. Unless you have a better plan than been an MMD parasite forever the man will not speak for you when he is not in power, he will take his family in exile and you will be there like a deer in headlights.
Advise your leader to be wise. We are not stupid to not see through this play. Why wait for RB to say arrest the fool? As for donor money, you just put in the last nail and set the coffin on fire. And it is the ordinary man who will suffer, you guys to have fly out of Zambia to have parasite free blood pumped into your system every month. CAN’T WAIT TO BURY MMD FOR GOOD!!
LT how is i d i o t and s t u p i d offensive??Making me seem like I am posting potty mouth comments!:(:(
#47 KK used those terms at every press conference, so I guess only Presidents may use them. So, looks like a Minister can’t be arrested, right? And it takes the bloggers to blog before they can be fired, right?
hehe #23 kabudula bamba you have a way with engrish metaphors
People have accused me of not lamenting on criminal cases…what a joke to bloggers who have inture, casolution and myopic ways of thinking. Dr. Musonda’s case is under consideration and the law has taken its course with the blessing of our President. Until evidence is thoroughly and undoubted Dr. Musonda is considered a free man in our society. PF cadres were paid to harm our minister and he was just defending himself. Until the courts thoroughly finds the minister guilty, he will walk and dine among us. I rest my case
In The same way you judges,you shall be judged for sure…I hope you have gotten the message Dr.Musonda:-w
You senior citizen, even if you are MMD, you are out of your mind. shame on you! how do you say that? you are very sick in your head! better keep quite on this one because your comments anger us a lot. you and your president are completely out of your minds! musonda committed a very serious offence and you are there talking nonsense; GOD will deal with you and your foolish government!
Its a waste of national time,start arresting Muzungu’s son first (loser) for killing 3 innocent children.This case is straight forward,its attempted miurder not the nonsense the police are charging him
# 50 senior citizen,
you are so s t u p i d and an i d i o t. Waite when we start shooting your ministers at rallies next year. Dont think we can not afford guns. I think you are well aware of the free guns along the cong DRC and Angolans boaders. These are the guns which the poor villagers can use to defend themselves against you devils. You think as if you own Zambia, iwe koswe Kolokombwa iwe!!!!:o:o
It is very sad that Musonda who fired at a person has NOT been charged with murder, while the UPND Solwezi Central MP, who was not even present when the alleged cop was being beaten during the Mufumbwe by-elections, was charged with abduction and assault with intent to MURDER! What a country!
I am not a lawyer, but surely the proper charge for that Musonda should have been ATTEMPTED MURDER! Why are the police using the law selectively?
Look people, when those charged with the responsibility to administer law and justice choose to skew the law in favour only of themselves and their friends, there is a real big danger that the citizens, who all along may seem passive and docile, may one day decide to get real justice on their own, discarding phony institutions that are so cruelly shortchanging them on justice.No one then would think they are clever, would they?
Senior Citizen @ 50 writes “……Until evidence is thoroughly and undoubted Dr. Musonda is considered a free man in our society”. What do you mean by until evidence is thoroughly and undoubted??? You are supposed to have all this knowledge and yet cant put together a coherent aguement without using “big” words that you think are impressive. You say further that “….the law has taken its course with the blessing of our President” Why does the law require blessings from the President? Is he superior to the Law of the land (constitution)?
You make me sick with your blind loyalty with no objectivity or integrity whatsoever. Time is running out for you and you know it. Hope every knows that LT is State Propaganda machine.
# 33 You are full of shITTT
# 50 You are not only FULL OF SHIT.Go the toilet because that shit is now meandering into your medula oblangata such that you are now puking REAL SHIT ,Stupid *****.
# 50 U SUCK U SUCK KOLOKOMBWA
Before you charge a person of any of fence at the police station you ask questions from both the accuser and the accused .Then from what you have got you frame your charge. Not from hear say.Most people what the police from a perceived charge outside what really happened on the day of the incident.The truth will come in court.If the carders unlawfully blocked musonda with intent to provoke him or harm him Musonda will have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.Please Political leaders don;t encourage the youth to do wrong things so that you have a “talking” point all the time.
Imperialistic and backward propaganda inevitably can lead us nowhere period! Blind loyalty to PF/UPND pacto can seriously take Zambia backwards. PF cadres were sent to kill our minister and he did the right thing to protect himself. Wait until the ten PF cadres are heard in the court of law and cross examined without the presence of Satan or Ichilema in front of them.
These bustards were bribed to cause harm to an elected official on official govt. duties period! What more could the beloved Dr. Musonda done apart from defend himself to the fullest extent allowed under our laws? Answer these queries before you yup your mouth and blindly blame the government which is working tirelessly to maintain peace and tranquility in our young but vibrant country of Zambia.
Ifwe ni pact for life!!!!! What a shame to the doctor
#16 Mr. Capitalist -Good evening my friend. I did not respond earlier because we had no power here at home. I did not say that you said all those things, I only wanted you to explain these on behalf of the MMD that you are ready to defend with your life. 1- Minister mkondo Lungu told a press briefing that Dr. Musonda could not be arrested because the DPP was out of Zambia. 2- I asked the question because while your so called DPP was out of Zambia a lot of people were arrested for various offences. 3- Yes Mrs Changwe was reported to the police just like Mr Findley had reported Mr Mpombo. To me since you are so keen to defend RBs and MMDs actions, I feel you are able to fully answer these 3 question. There sir I rest my case
Take this quack’s medical license away too. He is supposed to be preserving lives, not taking them. Ukutumpa pamo no munobe Dr. Miti.
I take it Dr Musonda is not a medical man because we all know that medical doctors take an oath to save life, unless the doctor has become a Mafia member. Nothing is being said about the weapon used and I pray that it does not go missing or not entered in evidence and ballistic evidence deduced from it or the police not knowing what to do really. He is a dangerous man and should be denied bail as he may try to tamper with witnesses etc.LOCK him up
Dr Musonda is a true Man of God. If those cadres had blocked my way, threatening my life and property I was going to shoot that Fool right on his dirty A**.
These criminals in the pact have gone to far. We are ready for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No 10 Ba Jose,, absolutely senior citizen is a criminal from Rwanda he cannot comment on such issues.
The comments from Capitalist and his friend Senior Citizen Veteran show how foolish MMD as a party can be. What procedure is he talking about?
Mr. Capitalist says:
June 18, 2010 at 9:27 am
PF cadres, stop whining. It is a matter of procedures.
Police record warn and caution statement, Police hand over case to DPP, DPP assesses evidence and presents report to President, President relieve Deputy Minister of his duties, Police move in.
Are you saying that this is the procedure followed in every case in Zambia? Are you now stating here that Rupiah Banda had something to do with the arrest of George Mpombo? Are you saying that Rupiah Banda has everything to do with the none arrest of Mulondwe Muzungu’s murderous son who killed three innocent lives? Are you happy with such a…
govt?
You know, sometimes it is worth keeping quiet rather than displaying ignorance of such magnitude. You know Banda had to make a political calculation in letting the arrest of Musonda. If what you have just stated is correct, that means Rupiah Banda is probably sitting on the murder of 3 people by the Muzungu son.
If that is how the Zambian govt is operating, then as Zambians we have no govt or country to talk of. That means we are all in Rupiah Banda’s palms. Where is the independence of the 3 bodies of govt if Banda has to see and tell them what to do?
Thank you MMD cadres for coming out and telling us that all decisions have been done sorely by RB. So all cases have been adjudicated from plot 1. So, we know that Katele was sent to jail by Banda due to being a threat…
Ba Kapitalist Iam waiting for your response. Iam the same one only that Iam using another domain
MMD, thank you for your confession through your his very humble highness or lowness in Canada, Capitalist, probably a full fledged communist/socialist that Rupiah Banda had a hand in sending the gallant and freedom fighter Fred Mmembe to jail.
That is the procedure he just touted here on LT. I will not comment on anything written and posted by Senior Citizen as doing so will just be a waste of time and he might feel like people read his nonsense. An old adage says: It is ill manners to stop a fool, but bad to let him go on. I choose to let him go on since it is his birth right to be a fool. As you all know there is no cure for foolishness and as such whatever you say about Veteran Senior Citizen, it wont help him. Until we find a cure for foolishness, we just have to let him go on.
The word blocked by LT is F.o.o.l. Icipuba.
Zambia is praying for Dr. Musonda and it is a well known fact the majority of Zambians are saddened by how PF/UPND cadres are bribed to harm our elected government officials. Seriously lets ask ourselves this important question; if you were attacked by a group of kaponyas what would you do? If you are truthful your answer would be to defend yourself to the fullest and this is exactly what the honorable did without hesitation. Until we hear the whole truth once court sessions commence in Serenje, it is wrong and inhuman to treat one of our brother Dr. Musonda with malice and prejudice. Stay blessed Dr. Musonda and will be seeing you this weekend.
Uku nomba ekupena. Senior Citizen, who bribed who and to harm who? Probably you have not heard, it is the young man (who in fact was only identified as a PF member after the fact). He, himself has identified himself as PF supporter. He does not even carry a PF card for your information. You want to hear the whole truth about why he was almost murdered? Do you know how evil you sound to bless the murderer? Just like your leader Banda, you want people to feel sorry for the gun totting murderer? What type of people are you? Do you know how you sound? You sound like someone who would like to feel sorry for Osama Bin Laden until the courts find him quilt. Are you human? It is like feeling sorry for Spoiler Kapenda, or Roy Mudenda, or strangular awaiting court proceedings. You are nuts.
I think what happened to senior citizen someone got a jar, aimed their rectum at the open end of it and let it go while chanting ‘bk,bk,bk…’ That jar was quickly closed so not to let the gas escape and it was fondly named senior citizen. Only way to help the chap is to find that jar and break it to release his spirit.
I don’t read your posts any more BK, although opposing they used to carry some debate to them these days you just seem crazy, out of touch-maybe you are crying out for help? I imagine you looking very scruffy, unshaven and laughing deliriously at nothing with a crazy look in your eyes while typing what you type here.
History has taught us a lamentable past. People have become possessed with a low degree of understanding of legal issues at hand. I do not give a good damn to run to conclusions just because your uncouth shallow understanding of local and global laws is fairly absent. You will be surprised to see Osama Bin appear in the courts of law once captured. It happened to Hussein in Iraq and the Nigerian Dec 25 bomber in detroit Michigan. Lets not pretend on these important facts just because our thinking is so shallow behind PF/UPND pacto. Facts are facts and you will be shocked to see which side havens are on. Issues of human interpretation and manipulation has been with our ancestors since the inception of earth into existence. Take time to read the philosophies at display from the medieval past
I now see why you have a problem. You are still in the medieval era. Is that the time there was plague? Could be it is affect you psychologically and subconsciously. I now understand the logic behind the MMD and its cadres’ behavior. You are still living in the medieval age were killing each other for no reason was part of life. Who knew that Rupiah Banda and his impis will behave the Shaka way? Look at William Banda. Probably you need to be reminded of the era you are living in. It is 2010 bayama. You think it would be wise to try Osama in a civil court while in fact you know deep down that Osama himself is not civil. Why do you think he lives in caves in this day and age? You are a wacko bbambo.
@ #64 Deja Vu
“I did not say that you said all those things, I only wanted you to explain these on behalf of the MMD that you are ready to defend with your life.”
This is a strawman. I have never claimed I am ready to defend the MMD with my life. This is a lie.
“1- Minister mkondo Lungu told a press briefing that Dr. Musonda could not be arrested because the DPP was out of Zambia.”
Go and ask Mr. Lungu why he said that.
“I asked the question because while your so called DPP was out of Zambia a lot of people were arrested for various offences.”
Refer to my answer to question 1. I did not make the statement, Mr. Lungu did. Go and ask him.
cont…
“Yes Mrs Changwe was reported to the police just like Mr Findley had reported Mr Mpombo.”
So where is the problem here? What is wrong with letting the law take its course?
@ #69 Genocidal Maniac Kalos2020
“Are you saying that this is the procedure followed in every case in Zambia? “
NO
“Are you now stating here that Rupiah Banda had something to do with the arrest of George Mpombo?”
NO
“Are you saying that Rupiah Banda has everything to do with the none arrest of Mulondwe Muzungu’s murderous son who killed three innocent lives”
NO
“Are you happy with such a govt”
I am happy with the economic performance of this govt. That is why I support them. The PF has no prudent economic policy. This is why I do not support them. They have not convinced me economy wise.
Cont…
I will now educate you on what a straw-man is. A straw-man is misrepresenting someone’s argument in a way that makes it easier to attack. I never said those things but you tried to make it seem like I did so you can find it easier to attack. The last bit about “such a govt” would be more associated with an appeal to emotion stemming from a straw-man. You made wild accusations and tried to use emotion to distort my arguments. Presenting such claims as before and ending it with that bit would have some people retract their statements because it tackles their emotions:-? .
“You know Banda had to make a political calculation in letting the arrest of Musonda.”
That is your opinion.
“Thank you MMD cadres for coming out and telling us that all decisions have been done sorely by RB. “
No one has told you this. This is a lie.
Let us look at the functions of the DPP.
2) The Director of Public Prosecutions shall have power in any case which he considers it desirable so to do —
(a) to institute and undertake criminal proceedings against any person before any court, other than a court martial, in respect of any offence alleged to have been committed by that person;
(b) to take over and continue any such criminal proceedings as have been instituted or undertaken by any other person or authority; and
(c) to discontinue, at any stage before judgement is delivered, any such criminal proceedings instituted or undertaken by himself or any other person or authority.
President Banda never ordered the police to arrest Dr. Musonda, he only relieved him of his duties. This therefore disqualifies your claim
cont…
I will admit I was wrong when I made post #12. The President only relieved Dr. Musonda of his duties. The police and DPP moved in in their own capacity as professional bodies.
We now have to wait for the truth to come out. Let the Law work.
Capitalist, walya amafi yanshi kanshi? mupepa na citizen? you i dio ts
Fellow country men, i am so sorry i have simply run out of ideas and thats why i support MMD like this. Truly speaking not even my family agrees with MMD back home and am just doing my job to serve HE.
I really don’t know who in this case should be regarded as “genocidal maniac”, you who wants to see Musonda walk free after shooting an innocent youth or me advocating for justice. When did the police find out that Musonda had shot someone? When did they arrest Musonda? Why did they wait so long? What if Musonda is in fact the genocidal maniac who had started shooting innocent people? How many did they want him to kill before arresting him? That is what you call professional bodies?
I am afraid you and your friend Veteran Senior Citizen BK will start shooting Zambians that oppose your MMD party and take refugee in being diplomates. The way you have asked for blessings and tried to protect this lunatic Musonda scares a lot of youth in Zambia.
Capitalist, in # 12 you state:
“The same PF refuses to hold conventions and also lied to the people that they will produce a PF report on PF led councils”.
It is not the PF’s duties to produce reports on councils. It is the Ministry of Local Government. What access do you think the PF has to such records? Soon you will be asking for reports on the Mobile Hospitals and the Hearses from PF. It seems you are confused beyond understanding who is in government and whose duty it is to do what you are asking.
Probably asking for the reports from the people whose duty it is not is not attainable. Ask for the evaluation of Zamtel from Rupiah Banda. That might be produced on time. Oh, he is sitting on it. Don’t you think that is the report people are interested in? Get that report…
@ #88 Genocidal Maniac Kalos2020
Did you or did you not hope for Zambia to go the Rwanda way and did you or did you not hope for someone’s family to be the first to be hacked??
You already know the reason why I call you a genocidal maniac.
#79Mr. Capitalist – Look at the title- POLICE FINALLY ARREST DR. MUSONDA. What does this sound to you? You are trying to be clever where there is no need to. You are denying that you dont defend the MMD and yet this is what you do day and night. All your postings here are about defeding the undefenable. As for Mrs. Changwe, one is only wondering why GM was arrested within hours after the case was reported to ZP while in her case ZP is waiting for tnstructions from RB/DPP. But of course you will side step these points because you are trained to do so. But just know that those type of tricks went with Chairman Mao. They wont work on us.
Where is MMD Chief Boot licker. Did he go with Mbulo or he has no internet facilities anymore? Days are also numbered for this so called Senior Citizen who has no shame defending straight forward issues
When you called me genocidal maniac, did you want to say Genetical Brainiac but you mispelled genetical brainiac? It is GENETICAL BRAINIAC. Seems like I think more than you will ever do. Oh, by the way, that thing about emotions, it is called politics, not a strawman. Since you are in Canada, very close to the arctic circle, the day you will sell a freezer to an eskimo, we will accept you in our debating circles, this time you are just a novice.
@ #89
PF to release records of their councils’ expenditure next week-KabimbaLusaka Times, April 26, 2010
The Patriotic Front (PF) says it will next week release correct statistics of how its dominated councils have been spending resources allocated to them to prove wrong President Rupiah Banda’s revelations about PF run councils.
PF Secretary General Winter Kabimba said the recent revelation of misapplication of funds by PF dominated councils by President Rupiah Banda is a false representation of what is obtaining on the ground.
He said the PF will give the nation the correct statistics to prove that President Banda was merely politicking when he made wild revelations about PF run councils.END EXCERPT
These statistics have not been…
PF as a party is under no obligation to do that. It is MMD who is mandated by being in office to do just that. Naukolwa? So, if they have not released the reports, that is no reason for you MMD to start shooting people. Will you please connect the shooting and the deafening silence that has taken place in the MMD government about the killings in Mufumbwe and Shooting in Serenje?
@ #91 Deja Vu
“But of course you will side step these points because you are trained to do so.”
You seem to believe (without indisputable verifiable evidence) that I am paid to give an opinion. So tell me, what is the point in me trying to have a debate with you??
I should probably stop responding to you since you have already made a decision on all my posts (again without evidence).
That is what I call a poisoning the well.
To poison the well is to commit a pre-emptive ad hominem strike against an argumentative opponent. As with regular ad hominems, the well may be poisoned in either an abusive or circumstantial way. For instance:
1. “Only an ignoramus would disagree with fluoridating water.” (Abusive)
2. “My opponent is a dentist, so of course he will oppose the fluoridating of water, since he will lose business.” (Circumstantial)
Anyone bold enough to enter a debate which begins with a well-poisoning either steps into an insult, or an attack upon one’s personal integrity. As with standard ad hominems, the debate is likely to cease to be about its nominal topic and become a debate about the arguer.
“So, if they have not released the reports, that is no reason for you MMD to start shooting people.”
Just who made this claim? Tell me, who made the claim that just because the reports have not been released, it is a reason to start shooting people?@-)
Bwana, you poisoned the well your self. Deja Vu is just asking you a question and stating a statement of fact.
“Bwana, you poisoned the well your self. Deja Vu is just asking you a question and stating a statement of fact. “
Can you prove that I “am trained to side step points”?? Where is this evidence?? How is it a fact when there is no evidence to back it up???
#96Mr. Capitalist Yes you can stop debating with me, but I wont stop criticising you for trying to make everything that your MMD – it used to be my MMD- does is ok when it is not. Yes enjoy it like William Banda while it lasts. I only hope that when a new GRZ is formed you will come out in the open and declare your continued support of the MMD
Oh God, what a wacko we have in Canada. Do you read what you write? You see, you sometimes talk too much that you cannot find time to think. The topic is about your murderous friend Musonda that you have spent your energy on defending. And in number 12, you started to discuss councils and reports. Please make a debatable connection for us to discuss, if you want me to answer your dole question in 98.
#100 Mr. Capitalist Iwe you can even accept if MMD tells you tha AMAFI TAYALENUNKA YALENUNKILA FYE
The charge should read causing grievous harm with intent to kill contrary to section 224(a) of the Penal Code. How can you maim,disfigure or disable in the head!!!? Our Police Officers will never cease to amaze me.
“Please make a debatable connection for us to discuss”
There is not connection. I wrote that to show a PF pattern. The PF have a habit of politicizing every issue (including this one) and are very inconsistent. It was to show a PF pattern and not to connect it to Dr. Musonda’s case. If you did not understand my post, you should have asked me.
What does the PF have to do with the shooting and the charges leveled against the murderous Musonda? The PF did not arrest Musonda for you to accuse them of being inconstent. Probably you wanted to discuss the inconstences found in the police (who you call “professional” when they have to wait two weeks to arrest a criminal murderous MMD deputy minister for attempted murder.
“What does the PF have to do with the shooting and the charges leveled against the murderous Musonda? “
The PF politicized the issue. That is why I have an issue with them in this case.
So you guys in MMD don’t know that Musonda when he became an MP he became a politician and anything he does is political? Politics 101.
Where was he when he shot this young? In the hospital ward or he had gone politiking in Serenje? Did you know Musonda before he became a politician/public figure? Probably you have already forgotten that Musonda was a Deputy Minister and was in fact using government vehicle when he went hunting for PF members to shoot. That my media is political. Welcome to the world of politics.
Were all the cases committed while the DPP was out waiting for his return? Should we be waiting for the DPP`s directives even when we are faced with dangerous criminals? Shame on the prosecuting office, very unproffessional. WAKE UP!! We Zambians are not as shallow as you might think of us. Poseniko amano, if you have failed, let competent pipo take over. Do your right thing than just waiting for directions from higher offices.
LT, should read:
Police finally arrest ellusive criminal murderous MMD deputy minister.
He was not practicing medicine when he committed these crimes, but he was deputy minister.
Mr. Capitalist says:
June 19, 2010 at 7:46 am
Did you or did you not hope for Zambia to go the Rwanda way and did you or did you not hope for someone’s family to be the first to be hacked??
Zambia is heading the Rwanda way with Genocidal thoughts of Big Nose Ronnie and the blind cadreship of people like capitalist and veteran.
I wish Capitalist and Veteran could return to Zambia for the blood letting that follows the MMD vote rigging in 2011.
Senior Citizen will be dead by 2011.
Stress will kill him first!
Zambia is an uncivilized lawless country led by tribal bigots who steal donor funds for campaign funding.
Where the leader of the country feels he needs to play with democracy and judicial systems.
Where the leader of police is involved in corruption and is protected by even more corruption.
Pity the POOR person who cant even support his next meal.
The president eats half a cow each dinnertime.
Animal Farm type of government will only lead to anarchy by self frustration.
Why now…..This just goes to show how our Police operate which is unprofessional. This former minister was untouchable when he was a Minister, but now that he has been fired hell has opened. Where is the IG in all this saga? This is sad for the country as the poor will continue suffering at the hands of those who have…..shame to Zambia system which is ruling us……. Lets pray for our mother Zambia as I believe one day God will hear our prayers as we have suffered enough…..
I think the blog space should be used without insults to other bloggers. It offers an opportunity for free speech and sharing of knowledge. We are behaving just like our politicians not engaging with real issues but dropping to insults and personal derogatory statements, what a shame! And we are the literate generation, what hope for the people who have no knowledge such as ours to engage positively with matters of interest to the nation?