National Democratic Focus (NDF) leader Benjamin Mwila has said Zambians will live to regret if they vote for Patriotic Front leader Michael Sata in the 2011 general elections because he is allegedly undemocratic and inconsistent on national issues.
And Global Commodity Market Institute country director Mwango Chisha has said Mr Sata’s assertions that he will expel Zambia-based Chinese workers and low class investment is a dream because he will never be president of Zambia.
Commenting on assertions that the PF leader would expel Chinese workers and low investment, Mr Mwila said Mr Sata’s comments on the Chinese investment were a sign of an ignorant man on the global economy.
Mr Mwila said Zambians should blame themselves if they make a mistake of voting Mr Sata into power because he allegedly did not believe in democracy and kept changing position on important national policy matters.
Mr Mwila said Mr Sata did not understand democracy because he was not there when the MMD, which was based on democracy, was formed.
He said Mr Sata was an opportunist and populist leader,who joined the MMD one week before the convention which was why he did not understand and appreciate democracy.
Mr Mwila said he did not understand why the PF leader continued to attack the Chinese instead of explaining to the citizenry how he would contribute to the development of Zambia if elected into power.
Mr Mwila said countries were embracing each other for development but it was surprising that Mr Sata did not like Chinese investment when it was accepted globally.
He said, for instance South Africa, had developed because of embracing other nationals and wondered what was wrong with Zambia doing the same as it needed more development than the rainbow state.
Mr Chisha said Mr Sata was dreaming that he would change things because he would never be president of the country.
“The rate at which politics is moving, Mr Sata will never be president of Zambia because of a simple reason that he was not born a leader, and nothing can make him become a leader,” Mr Chisha said.
He questioned why the PF leader had so much hatred for the Chinese investors when they were globally accepted.
Mr Chisha said the Chinese may have some problem of human relationships due to factors like culture and language barriers but this should not be a weapon to demonise them.
He said there was need to look at the bigger picture of the investment than at individual Chinese who could have differed with a Zambian because of some misunderstanding.
[ Times of Zambia ]
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Gentlemen well spoken! it is shocking that nowadays you have more kaponyas in the Diaspora who supprt this low thinking Satana for Presidency. He will never be President of our great Country Zambia. Zambia like any other developing Nation needs FDI, therefore, Sata’s talik of chasing investors be it from china is not in the best interest of Zambia.
He wants to make people who have not been to School think that when He is made President then they will automatically become bwanas. Foolish thinking.
I don’t think Sata or those who oppose the chinese in Zambia are ignorant of Chinese investment globally. Rather we are all aware how the Chinese have substandard investment in Zambia and better investment in countries that have told them to either shape up or book out. How can you have chinese mines having accidents day in day out, workers working without protective clothing? clothes sold at Kamwala that last two washes. And still we have people defending the so called investment. Someone to come all the way from china to come and grow cabbages and rare chickens, nangu twalichula lets have some brains and do the right thing for the future of the whole nation ba BY please
Dont tell us who to vote for. We are mature enough and able to made an informed decision. Ok fine we will vote for you RB even in your party not even your wife is a member.
Number 4, sorry I meant BY (Ben Mwila)
People can talk and criticize Sata on what he said about the Chinese investment in Zambia because they have simply chose to a different view from what Sata was trying to say. I ready the article and to my understanding, he did not say he will chase the investors from China, what he said was as much as we need investment in the country it is important to look at the plight of the Zambia people. In many cases Chinese people come to invest and they come with their own workforce. Zambians do not get jobs from the Chinese investments because they bring their own staff. He said he would like Chinese investment to benefit Zambians instead of taking away jobs from locals.“Chinese can come but they should not be pushing wheelbarrows. I guess we all need investment that benefits Zambian people!
#3 Accidents happen any where. It will be wrong to value chineseinvestment based on accidents. In SA for example, there have been a number of mine accidents are those as a result of Chinese investment??Even on the Rd we can t say accidents are only caused by Second hand Japanese cars surely even new ones get involved. As for the cheap clothes in kamwala, life is about what you can afford. Right now I can afford a brand new vehicle and the Japanese used ars are an altenative and Im fine with it.We can t all be the same buying disigners’ clothes, no.Even at the Our Lord jesus was here life was never the same, infact the bible says Quoting Jesus that you shall allways have the poor in your midist, sad as it is thats the truth.Politics aside Sata and his supporters are wrong!Have a lovely…
I think that Mr Sata has some valid points, and equally observations made by Chisha and Mwila are also valid to a point. I believe that the Chinese investment is welcome, but the national structures are not robust enough to deal with international investment. What we should have are sectors or skill levels which are protected for the local population. We have unskilled labour in Zambia, so I do not see the need to have Chinese unskilled labour being given work permits in Zambia. As #3 points out, if you have Chinese coming to Zambia to rear chickens which they sell in Zambia, externalise profits in US$, then it will not be long before the country has another foreign exchange crisis. Investment is welcome, but only in areas where we are not able to do it with local resources.
# 7. Do not bring Jesus Christ into your rubbish talk. Maybe you have been away for too long. Go back to Zambia and see and experience for yourself what many Chinese companies are doing.
#3, what do you mean by ‘Sata is wrong’? Sata says Chinese can invest, but conditions must be that ‘Labour jobs’ be left to Zambians. He even said the Chinese as investors should not take over also the ‘wheelbarrow jobs’ leave that for local Zambians. let the Chinese provide Expertise. Is this where Sata is wrong???
#3, what do you mean by ‘Sata is wrong’? Sata says Chinese can invest, but conditions must be that ‘Labour jobs’ be left to Zambians. He even said the Chinese as investors should not take over also the ‘wheelbarrow jobs’ leave that for local Zambians. let the Chinese provide Expertise. Is this where Sata is wrong???
Iwe BY failed politician, zip up!
Who can vote for this man? RB will be back, come 2011. Zambians, do not get cheated by anybody and do not cry when you throw the country into circus
I am sorry #3, I agree with you. comment #10 and #11 are meant for # 7
Hehe..hahaha…hohoho. These thieves are now day dreaming and accusing Sata of what he has not said. Really what else do you expect from Nashala neka party president who is looking for favours? Sata has made it clear that chinese should not do the simple jobs which can be done by unemployed Zambians. Sata has said chinese should not push ifibala which Zambians can do. He is not agaist their investing in Zambia. Really , can we allow chinese take our jobs? No the jobs in their investmets should be for Zambians and not for the 1,5 billion chinese people. This is what sata has said.
Only a dull creature cant get sense in this.
We know that Mwila is afraid of something he knows better- his pending arrest for arms dealing with Savimbi.:)>-:)>-
#4 and5 hahahaha!!!!!!!!!! you love RB, even when voting thats how it goes man. Have a lovely Day!
iwe chi BY who can vote for you?? you are just a failure!!!
We’ve been making the SAME mistake by voting for MMD,making a DIFFERENT mistake wouldnt be a bad idea. CHANGE IS ALL WE NEED!
Sata is say” WE NEED GOOD IVESTORS WHO WILL BRING GOOD INVESTMENT TO BENEFITE ALL ZAMBIANS”
HA ! ba Benji is still alive ?
In 19 i meant to say” SAYING”
BY is using the Chinese angle to decampaign SATA. Truth is he is afraid that if MMD goes out of power BY may be called to give an account on the GABON DISASTER. He is picking on SATA because he is the most likely to beat the MMD ( HH if the pact adopts, will also become BYs target).
If Sata is not a Leader!! What is he doing at the helm of PF and Relating with HH Leader of UPND? BY is the one who is not a leader!! All coz he has failed Party and Business wise and feels therefore that Sata is a flop too :o:o really sad to note the mediocrity of this De-campaigning scheme!…. For Money BY can Do, say and think anything!!! Don’t know what article this BY read, because he misquoted Sata’s Statement. Please Mr BY Read the article Again and Again (Nafuti nafuti) without the Dark Glasses.. We still Know your allegiance is with FTJ :)>-:)>-:)>-
It is shocking how we can reduce the future of this this country on Mr Sata’s stance on the Chinese investment.Ladies and Gentlemen. Lets look at a bigger picture here. Yes we are tired of the MMD. But in all honesty and without being blinded by that quest for change, is Mr Sata the man who is going to bring Zambia’s lost glory back? Come of it guys. We have great politicians like Brig Gen Miyanda and Mr Sekwiba Sikota who can take Zambia to higher hights.Unfortunately the two sober and intelligent great men appear to have withdrawn because the circus in the Zambian political playing to an acstatic Zambia audience. Going by the comments above, this forum is another circus. I cry for Zambia. Lets look at a bigger picture not only to remove RB>
#24
I THE JURY- Not Sakwiba, please. The man has no principles. Brig Miyanda, yes- But how is going to do it. People wonder how Sata has made himself such a big following. Simple the man has been campaigning without rest since 2001.Being a loof has made others fail to achieve what SATA has done. As for quality-currently all leaders are 3rd rate in this country.
By, why cant u zip up? Zed is not a dumping ground for criminals from china in the name of infestors instead of investors. We need quality investors and not cheap labourers.
BY of the Shala Neka party!wat can you tell us after being paid by RB?
Col Panji’s observations and comments are very accurate. I think the problem starts with the recruitment process of would-be police officers because previously Ministry of Labour used to conduct Psychometric tests to candidates who wished to join the police service. When the police service realized that the psychometric tests were disadvantaging their relatives and MMD cadres who could not made a grade in these psychometric tests, they decided to stop using Ministry of labour which has a professional department in Human Resource Selection.Now we have seen police officers who can’t even interpret the laws because the Police service is now recruiting MMD cadres and relatives. Let the recruitment process involve experts at Ministry of Labour who have proper screening instruments for HR
is RB democratic? he wnts to stand for nxt year election without being elected by his party.
@ #18, your statement is well written and so clear, i like it alot, true better we try out another mistake come 2011!
different topic!
why is the Electoral Commission of Zambia (ECZ) making us pay when obtaining new voters’ card? for one who lost his/her voter’s card, must first of all go to the police station and pay a 10 pin for the police report! is this fair sure? for someone who needs a replacement of his / her voter’s card, should pay 50 pin! for what mwebantu! this is very unfair! do you think a lot of people will be able to vote in next year’s crucial elections? they are infringing on our rights!
can bwezani do something because he will have votes in rural areas! let him do something now.
FOR 46 YEARS why has ZAMBIA produced the same old POLITICIAN of the likes of SATA IN age and political mentality ? I don;t think God can be so unfair to US.WHY is it that in our zambian politics the biggest lair gets the win? UNTIL WE change the mentality of the old politician that want to EAT than to serve the people, you will change them in all colour of political parties you won’t SEE the Real change in the lives of bottom million.150 MP are employed to make laws. laws and laws no development.ASK ANY MP he will tell you his role is to make laws in parliament. but when campaigning THEY campaign on DEVELOPMENTAL PLATFORM.THEN THEY GET GRATUITY. LOT OF IT.PLEASE THROW AWAY ALL OLD AND TIRED HORSES IN ALL POLITICAL PARTIES THE CHANGE WILL COME. FOR NOW CONTINUE DREAMING .
sorry i meant can bwezani do something because he will have no votes in rural areas.
Well, I think people should be able to make a decision of whom they want to vote for rather than be told who to vote or not to vote for.
Iwe BY notumilomo utwabutuluka who are you to tell us who or who not to vote for? You are just a spoiler with nothing to offer in Zambian politics. Like a political prostitute you are just there to divide the opposition so that maybe you can win some tenders from the MMD? Give us a break and talk about issues. You are just like George who thinks Sata, dreams Sata, talks about Sata etc! You are pathetic lots!
Some of you read articles you are commiting on then saying thing you feel about the person. if you donot read you show of ignorant on public is the abuse of reasoning. if is the lack of understanding of english ask some people for clarification. Nobody can run away from chines investment but we laws to guide avoid abuse of zambia. there are mines in old mkushi kampumba, people working are all are not permanent workers and work without safety boots or protecting clothes.so we telling let us have real picture on the ground. Accidents are accidents but some are caused by willfully
I don’t think think so its worth it to call these utuma choncoli as investors.These people are just stealing from us and developing their country.can someone please help me appreciate what these so called chinese investors have done for our economy or for the people of Zambia at large,apart from killing our vibrant youths in Bilgrim explosive mine in Chambishi and shooting those workers who are not happy with the condition of services.Am not surprised that MMD call these people as investors coz they also called those masai who came into our country in the name of investors.Zambia is a very beautiful nation and am very proud to be a Zambian,but its very unfortunately that our leaders have no vision for our beloved country.How can we be import Matches when we can make matches in our…
I agree with BY that we have to embrace other nationals so that we can develop as well,but the problem is in Zambia we give the investors too much freedom and we just welcome anyone as long as they say they are investors.Honestly what investment can you expect from the masai? BY also gave an example of South Africa,but south Africa have not allowed chinese to brings their merchandise as they wish they have given them a certain limit.Most of the goods products here are labeled ”PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN”.While in our country Zambia the only thing i remember lebeled as ”TRUELY ZAMBIAN is mosi.:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j
It seems like these politicians are scared of Sata. They don’t have anything to talk about. We need developmental issues and not bickering please!!
Even Chiluba was a kaponya, taxi driver and a sisal cutter in Tanzania but when time came we all voted for him. Banda was a head man in Katete but when time came we voted for him. Sorry guys that your next president is Sata. Some of you may say upon your dead bodies will Sata be president of Zambia but I can assure you that Sata will be the next president of Zambia and you will still be alive to see what you did not want to see. How nice…! Pabwato!!!!
Satans political career ends soon elections. You can not be of use anymore. We need new brains with new ideas. This is not 1964.
Sata joined MMD much ealier than BY white lips. Sata, though Iam not his fan has got many practical achievements. One these is changing NPF to NAPSA. To day those retiring are entitled to a life pension of K2m per month. This a great achievement for the so called underaducated.On top of that he doesnt need to lick some unus in order to have bread on his table like most of this so called politicians. Ukwalola umwela ekobaya–
nashala neka party 4 by is useless..dissolve it..
For the first time, I agree with Grandmaster BY. Sata is some trash that should be thrown into a real hot fire. He’s no better than Kafupi. As for the Chinese, do we need people who treat us like slaves in our own country? No. We need tpo “globanize”, yes, but not with those who don’t see us as fellow human beings.
# 41 you are right. We need fresh intelligent guys preferably from a well qualified background. At least someone with PHD from recognizable university
# 41 you are right. We need fresh intelligent guys preferably from a well qualified background. At least someone with PHD from recognizable university.This is no other person than RB
No 2 Wapya Munzi you are a very useless man that is why you ran away to the so called diaspora. Who told you that a kaponya can not go to SA? If anything Kaponyas call SA kumushi kumyabo. You dont think everyone in the diaspora is an intellectual. That is not what it means. Yourself you have failed to understand Sata’s message concerning Chines investors and you want to portray intellectual. He has never said he is against Chinese investments but bringing Chinese to push ifibala which Zambians can do. Do you understand why they wanted to kill you recently in SA when you where selling in that Bar? Its because that job should be for South Africans not you swine.
Ba BY you have failed to build your so called NDF party, But Sata has managed to build his party to the FORCE it is now………ENVY or what? You have now been consigned to the Garbage heep of Zambian politics. Why don’t you just retire in frustration?:d
Lets be earthical in our arguments
TO HELL WITH PEOPLE THINKING THAT ZAMBIANS ARE FIT TO JUST PUSH IFI-MAWHEELBARROWS. LET THE CHINESE PUSH THEM. IN ENGLAND , THE ENGLISH CAN NOT DO NURSING OF THEIR OLD SICK PEOPLE, SO THEY “HIRE” FROM AFRICA FOR PEOPLE FIT TO DO SO.I CAN ONLY PUSH A WHEELBARROW AT MY FARM NOT BECAUSE IT IS A JOB. FOR ME I NEED THESE CHINESE AT MY FARM .
#41, And Bwezani has the fresh brains? For crying out loud! Or may be you want to tell us there is some other candidate for the MMD?
I agree with No. 48. BY is a failure to all. He has failed his party and wants to come back to MMD and does not know how. Like kunda BY should concentrate on his health it is a long time and years since you have been having blood transfussions so I think the time is up. Forget about Sata. Just admit that you want to go back to MMD as you are a relative of RB. No wonder all these attacks against sata. What did you do for your people when you were in MMD government and a minister? Nothing. So shut your mouth and take your ARVs quietly.
@ 3. Sorry for my earlier misdirected comment. It was meant for # 7.
As opposed to Rupoiya who has been a foubnding member of the MMD, right, Mr. BY? Drop d-e-a-d mr red lips.
MMD chief bootlicker at #49, we will only be “earthical” when you go back to school and learn how to spell. E.T.H.I.C.A.L. But i supposed education doesnt mean a thing to a devout zealot like you wholly dedicated to a.s.s. li.ck.ing all your life!
You are the ONLY kaponya that went to night school coz others will not see this intended test! Good job kaponya #55. Now let me see if you missed something else. I told you that kaponyas can learn too by being on this blog!!! Thanks LT one kaponya is learning to spell check!!!!
you guys lets not demean each other by calling each other names like kaponya and stuff. those guys do what they can to make ends meet. at least they work hard and have feet to stand on unlike you ba chief a.s.s.licker who has nothing to stand on.
Who then should Zambians vote for in 2011? , yes sometimes, people can go to the extremes of choosing even a dog to be their president when the current leadership have disappointed them beyond reproach. People’s patient is like a stream one day, it will drys up especially in the summer when it is hot and sunny in the sub-Sahara. So if don’t see that they are defended by the current government. If you are beneficiary of corruption and you want to continue to benefit by supporting corrupting and tyrannical government there will be pay back time one , it may not be now but your own children will ,note know one in this life will die peaceful knowing he or she committed systematic crime by denying others their basic rights. If you making arguments think about these things because they…
This pastor is very well known to be stealing people’s money thru tithe and offering. Can you explain why half of your church members quit? Let politics be done by politicians while you hide behind that evil pulpit. Be careful with #58 because he is sweet talking everyone from Zambia to join his church done at his house. Get a real job instead of stealing through the word.
Sata and your inconsistency on national issues.Please will do not want to experience what is happening in Zimbabwe.
Jack of all trades and master of none.No vote we have.
BY you are such a big time loser and a joker, sorry you do not have any influence in politics at the moment, not even to your wife and children
#36 you are right. Some of these bloggers talk like they are not zambians. Dont just hear the word investors and get excited. Find out to many people who work with these chinese about safety,salaries,terms of imployement and general treatment. People this is our country, let no one take away the joy of freedom,land and mineral resources upon which blood was shade by our founding fathers
On “Mr Mwila said Zambians should blame themselves if they make a mistake of voting Mr Sata into power because he allegedly did not believe in democracy and kept changing position on important national policy matters,” Hon BY Mwila is right and I hope all sensible Zambians, including UPND president and 2011 presidential candidate HH, will defend Zambia by making sure that Mr PF unelected self-appointed leader MC is never allowed a chance to be 2011 PF-UPND PACT presidential candidate or even President of Zambia at any one time.
Mr Sata MC is a danger to any civilised and an uncivilised society on this Earth.
Have a blessed day all as you contemplate on registering as voters or get new voter’s cards after some problem.
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Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God and…
Ba Ben Kangwa, aka Veteran Senior Citizen now having adopted the MMD Bootlicker status, don’t you feel ashamed when you go around visiting Zambians in the US? Thank God you ahve not done so in our area. I would have pulled you on the side and told you in your face to quit this nonsense. Ala namukula. They will never beat drums for you. Nensoni mwaliposa.
Now with regard to BY, he has in essence become a spin master. Ba By, your enemy is not Mr. Sata, but yourself and what is eating you inside. Remember your brain is part of you and most definitely when your health is not good, does your mind and your thinking. You are mixing issues, in one line you state that Sata is a populist and joined MMD late hence his failure to comprehend democracy, in the next you are in China. What next?
In Management, there is a theory called Management Smog. In this theory other managers or even those above someone will create a smog to make the other manager look bad. It is not because they are telling the truth, it is because they are afraid of the competence of that manager fearing he will make them look like a.s.ses considering that others and superiors will now judge them using the competent one as the yardstick. Mr. Mwila is trying to do exactly just like that. He is becoming hostile like a manager about to be assessed using Mr. Sata’s competence. Mr. Banda, George Kunda, and the all entire MMD failures are operating in fear that the PACT will come and succeed were they failed.
Lastly, how many members does BY ‘s party have again? Why that number?
Kalos2020
You sound like you just got off work cleaning old people at a nursing. I didnt want to get into an argument with you but you have proved to want one. I always state facts and this time let me expose you. The last time I heard from you it was when you was in North Carolina. You applied to work at the Zambian Embassy in South Africa but we declined you because you are running from the U.S Immigration. Just do the right thing by obtaining your papers lawfully not thru arranged marriages. Next time I see your application at the embassy here I am turning you down. If you have problems with finances just say it coz most people on here can help you as a brother. I wish you all the best baba
Honestly Zambians, how can we allow such a person like Sata to govern us, we have enough embarrassment under Rupiah. We need fresh blood, a leader who can sit on the net to listen to us blogers, find market for our products and even be able to articulate national important issues on the international scene. We need a presentable leader who is sober in mind and not someone just exposed in zambia alone, because other countries judge us by what we have as representatives. To be honest Sata can mobilise people yes but in terms of articulating issues on the international scene he is such a disgrace, he already embarassed us on VOA straight talk last year, what more do we want. Why going round when we can see the best. We deserve better as a nation not this clop of old people we kneel for.
When Kikwete of Tanzania, Kagame of Rwanda, Ian Kharma of Botswana and others stand to talk on the international scene their national are confident that we have atleast good representation, but for us we hold our breath and keep our fingers crossed because of our poor choices of wanting to have the worste just because they are famous locally without international exposure. Some of our leaders have never even been to Malawi or Zimbabwe or rather have no etiquettes at all and when we elect them we expect them to represent us well. I know that we cannot all be leaders but we can atleast make good choices for our mother zambia. We need a leader who can interact with other leaders intellectually, knowledgeable in business and not one who just depend entirely on advisors.
The fact that we didn’t not vote for you last time doesn’t mean you have the right to tell us who we should vote for.Mr BY just keep quite with your dead part we already know who to vote for.Not yourself and your finished part,Not MMD of course.But we know its our secrete bwana BY.
Come 2011 we are going to make a change.
BY! You ***** leave SATA alone, who are you to tell us who to vote for?
This guy manages to hibernate all along & only to mushroom during election time? & we heed him? He is paid to help split votes full stop. By keeping the political enviroment(MMD) in good terms with him helps him do his many businesses at peace. Let another govt come, he will u-turn & support them.
Let prominent politicians articulate developmental issues. By is not the right person to talk ill about Sata. The difference between Sata and BY is not much. They are both dictators, in fact worst dictators. People will live to regret if Sata becomes president next year. Ask Chiluba how cruel Sata is. Why did Kafupi not pick Sata in 2001? Kafupi knows how Sata can easily turn against you. Is Sata not the one who had joined the police force during the colonial days? Didn’t the British use him to beat up the freedom fighters? Wait and see.
I never used to understand Sata till i came here and travelled several times in Europe.Europe govts have a nationalism type of governance,they put their citizens 1st in everything,if its in the scandinavian countries people pay alot of tax but they got alot of free services that includes transport,education,etc.
Chinese products are everywhere even in the US but it is HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTS.so mr sata is against cheap chinese investors n products.Where i live people hate the jews because they take over everything which i wouldnt be happy to see happening in zambia
We shall all vote for change. And that change is coming through thePACT. If Sata is made presido of the PACT we for the PACT= Sata. If HH is made presido of the PACT, we vote the Pact=HH. Thus chnge is eminent and the PACT is new gonvernment whether you like it or not. Zambians want change, coz all gonvts in the world are changing for the better. We want a gonvt that will put to rest corruption and round up all the MMD thieves starting with the chief thief Chiluba..:)>-:)>-
Number 6: Chachine
On this entire blog, there is no bigger A.hole than one MMD Chief Boot Licker!! I wonder whose a.s.s. he will be licking after 2011.
#76
Ka Red Card
If you have nothing to blo.g then shu.tup waba akab.wa.mba
so ba BY ba lotele fye ati let me….mm mmm! !!awe!in simple words- it doesent make sense!
its even hard to figure out where you are coming from-ba BY:d
does it matter?? as mmd didnt do much good for the country either..and about consistency?? they even dont know how to spell it