Three government documents have surfaced linking Patriotic Front Leaders Michael Sata to the abrogation of the Barotse Agreement of 1964 and de-recognizing of the Litunga as paramount chief of the Lozi people.
The documents are alleged to have been written by eight full cabinet ministers in the former second Republican President Dr. Chiluba’s administration on behalf of the government.
A committee is said to have been constituted to negotiate with the Barotse Royal Establishment (BRE ) representatives on the agreement.
Mr. Sata, who was then Minister of Local government and housing, was among the eight Ministers who recommended to government that based on the enquiry the Barotse land agreement was stale and no longer legal as it was overtaken by event.
Former Patriotic Front ( PF ) Secretary General Edward Mumbi revealed the development to journalists during a briefing in Lusaka today.
Mr. Mumbi availed to the official documents, one of which was written in 1992 when the eight ministers met a delegation led by the Ngambela and members the BRE.
The second document revealed that it was written in 1993 and bared recommendations of the findings to Government and a letter which was written in 1996 requesting then President Chiluba to derecognize the Litunga as paramount chief.
Mr. Mumbi explained that Mr. Sata’s committee of eight full cabinet Ministers slowed government’s attention to the Barotse Land Agreement and was further killed by a letter dated 18th August 1993 which said that the inquiry showed that no judicial process was commenced by the BRE or any other party aggrieved by the proposed amendments in reasonable time.
Mr. Mumbi wondered how Mr. Sata can now claim to support the agreement when he was among the eight Ministers who recommended that the agreement be disbanded as it was stale.
The former PF secretary general challenged Mr. Sata to explain to the Lozi people and all Zambian how the agreement he considered illegal has turned to be legal now that he is not in government.
He urged the people of Western province to seek an explanation from Mr. Sata to task for skimming to dethrone the Litunga in January 1996 by writing a letter to President Chiluba so that the Litunga’s Chieftainship recognition be dropped which Chiluba refused.
Mr. Mumbi has since warned Zambians to be cautious of the PF leader who he described as a popularist politician and danger to the country as he is not decent and honest.
He said will do anything including risking his life to enter state house and asked Mr. Sata to leave issues such as the Barotse agreement to intellectuals and decent people to debate.
He noted that President Banda and his vice President was not in government at the time of the agreement but are trying hard to dialogue over the issue which he said should be commended and supported.
ZANIS
no amount of propaganda will stop us from making the change that we need!!!
VIVA SATA!!!!!
He needs to explain his change of position if indeed he headed the 8 minister committee.
This ka Edward Mumbi is at it again, FO.OL, FO.OL.ER, FO.OLST, FO.OLISH!!! He has been sponsored with so much money! But NOTHING will stop people from choosing the leader of their choice.
This issue has now lost meaning and I must say it has just become a new political football in town and all politicians seem excited about it. Lozis s you are now just being used as usual . wake up and smell the coffee..no further comments
Being a minister of local govt, at that time, his opinions on this issue must have carried weight! Also he was the one of the closest confidants to Kafupi at that time.
is SATA the only opposition leader in Zambia??
where are the others, what you scared fi mmd?
viva pa bwato!!!
mumbi is a hungry selfish hyna searching for survival lets stay focused on the bigger picture of regime change
Conspiracy
Let them leave Sata, We all know they want his integrity to be questioned
I dont like this, who eve is doing this to Sata is upsetting me. If you upset me I dont like it. When i dont like it I react.
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Bonshe abo abale sapota Sata kwena fipuba! I wonder their intellectual capabilities let alone their normancy.Even to just think about him as a politician makes one vomit-seriously…
This government does sleep over President Sata does it?
If someone suggested to sata that Selling victoria falls to Zimbabwe will make him president, he would do it without a thought.
Edward Mumbi is referring to an MMD to events that took place between 1992 and 1993. This is nearly twenty years ago when Michael Sata was in the MMD Government and bound by collective responsibility with respect to government policy then. This happened ten years before the PF was formed. The PF is a different party from the MMD and has a different policy stance on the Barotseland Agreement. So what is Mumbi’s and the MMD’s problem?
MY RANTS
# 1 Who is ‘we’ be serious
#2. No comment
#3Those capital letters in the sentence shows you need serious help.
#4 As per No 1 comment, you are not the most celver person i have met on the blog. learn to spell
#5 one word ‘grammar’ please improve you are embarrasing yourself
#6 see comment #4
#7 Check your spellings. You are scaring me with your reasoning
#8 One word ‘SMART’
#9 You dont insult people like that, you a f**l
#10 Grammar, Spellings. One word Dull?
#11 I cant believe you think like that, not even funny. Shame
Oops! I meant to say:
Edward Mumbi is referring to MMD events that took place between 1992 and 1993.
Yes ! It is 100% true this document is there. I had just joined the cabinet office during that period. We drafted and printed this document and handed it to the then committe. I am now in the private sector but remember very well.
This even led to one lozi Senior Cabinet Administrator resign because Sata had called the people of Western Province all sorts of names for waisting government time and money.
I know sometimes Mumbi is there in for Sata. However, on this one he is correct in Black & White. Sata needs to explain why he has changed his mind.
Good evening
This thing of “who said what or did what when…” will not solve the BRE problem.
Our leadership needs to see the dangers that loom if this conflict remains unresolved. The politicians, whichever party they belong, should put aside self-interests and work collectively to find a solution to this problem instead of polarising each other.
If all political parties were to embrace and practise the great concept of “One Zambia, One Nation”, we would see a lot more development and prosperity in Zambia instead of the malaise that affects so many of our people today.
Mr Mumbi, Could you tell us who were the other members of this committee. Please don’t give half info we are interested in knowing the whole truth. Just to single out SATA confirms this is a another fake letter. Second John Nyawali and DEC could you arrest this man for pedalling Govt info/letters. I believe its a crime as I recall red lips VP Kunda saying those giving the opposition Govt comminuque were commiting an offence. Here is an opportunity to arrest this culprit once and for all.
Solo el tiempo lo dira.
#9 U AR AS SHALLOWW MINDED AS MUMBI AND LIFWEKELO. YO THINKIN IS QUESTIONABLE. U CANT TELL ME ALL TOWN PIPO WHO SUPPORT SATA ARE MAD. I THINK THE FEW WHO OPPOSE AR VERY INSANE. CHANGE IS COMING…DONCHI KUBEBA
HH and SATA including NAREP.(postnewspaper 9/01/2011) have taken similar stance on BRE. But why SATA? masipa!!!!!!
#12 and that absolves Mr Sata from the issue? My guess is a lot of Zambians can think beyond that, Its simplistic to think that whatever one did while belonging to another political party remains there, the person is ‘born again’, clean and has to acquire new policies afresh. really?
The point to note here is that Sata is an inconsistent f-ool, a functional illiterate who can’t be trusted to lead a party let alone the nation. King Cobra can do anything including selling his soul just to gain political mileage!
let him respond 2 thoz allegations.they r serious ones.also,y r they bringing this out now?so had separatists not acted thos documents wud stil b gathering dust?cow fella.there cud b need 4 complete overhaul of zed leadership
Between 1992 – 1993 it was the MMD Government at that time. Sata belongs to PF and not MMD. Can the MMD chaps tell us more about this document and why they came up with such a solution. That’s not a Sata or PF issue. Viva PF/UPND Pact, they failed to go anywhere on $100k and now hope they can get Sata on this. Sheer waste of time and money. Wapya munzi
Well, I honestly hope Zambians will one day show some direction and especially for the government, show some consistence in the way they govern this country. I can imagine this document was classified highly confidential, just how did it land on the laps of Mumbi. What I also know is that when this matter was raised at the NEC, it was Aka who quit in disgust and both Ben Mwila and Sikota Wina advised against the idea. Nevertheless, now that its out in the open Sata wanted the Litunga overthrown, he must explain his sudden change of stance. He should also explain why he told Chiluba Chief Inyambo Yeta was part of the bogus coup plot which led to his illegal and malicious incarceration.
POLITICS SATA THAT SATA THERE SATA HERE SATA ________________________________NO WONDER THEY BUILD THIS MAN , SOMEBODY TALKS THIS ,TOMOROW THAT ,THE FOLLOWING DAY THIS.NOT EVEN MAKING SENSE.EVEN THEY SHARED THE SAME CAKE BEFORE.TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.DONT BE TRIBAL THIS MAN IS A NATURAL POLITICIAN.THE BEST EVER.FIT TO BE CALLED VETERAN.IF YOU CANT BET THEM THEY SAY. JUST JOIN THEM.
PAUL SICHAMBA THE ISOKA MP SLEEPS IN THE GRAVE YARD HE WAS CAUHT RECENTRY
# 15 Cabinet Officer says:
Sata does not need to explain a thing to anyone. what you need t do it as Chiluba to explain as he was the head of state. This Mumbi is having access to Govt. docx that have not being published anywhere apart from the so called recommendations.
We are so unfortunate to have a Govt that can start exposing its confidential Docx and in my View, let the govt explain why it wanted to cancel the Agreement in the first place as there is no smoke without fire. Chiluba should have started the all issue then let it to his cabinate to discourse n make recommendations. WHO KNOWS HOW GOVT POLICIES RUN? LOZI OR NOT THE AGREEMENT CAN BE NEGOTIATED AND TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, ALL WE NEED TO DO IS DEVELOP PARTS OF SOUTHERN PROVINCE SO THAT PEOPLE CULD HAVE A BETTER LIFE
# 15 Cabinet Officer says:
Sata does not need to explain a thing to anyone. what you need do is ask Chiluba to explain as he was the head of state. This Mumbi is having access to Govt. docx that have not being published anywhere apart from the so called recommendations.
We are so unfortunate to have a Govt that can start exposing its confidential Docx and in my View, let the govt explain why it wanted to cancel the Agreement in the first place as there is no smoke without fire. Chiluba should have started the all issue then let it to his cabinate to discourse n make recommendations.
Does “Confidentiality” exist in Zambia?? Where does this Mumbi chap getting these GRZ documents? Are these documents not classified? If yes, arrest Mumbi without further delay.
# 13—– you are very childish. people like you have made most readers of the comment space bored. contribute something that will make people either agree or dis-agree. constructive and take such to facebook or other chatting sites
I posted on some other story here that lozis just like any other tribe in this country know what an opportunist and a propagandist one Micheal Sata Chilufya alias King Cobra is. He must be foolish if he thinks that his current stand on the BA agreement will win him Lozi votes. Even the most foolish of his followers know that he is not being genuine on this issue. He might have won Luapula votes in 2006 by promising to end Chiluba’s cases, the man he is vilifying today but not Lozi votes. And with that he should never even dream of being the Zambian Presidency. Luckily for all of us in this country.
It will be drama between now and election day. A lot of issues will come out as politicians try to jostle for power. When all is done, the majority of Zambians will go back to their usual sufferings.
The majority that do not blog and shall probably never enjoy any decent life.
This happens in almost every country in the world.
Its nice to blog on a full tummy indeed.
Come election day, someone will be in state house and life will continue. I really feel for the poor Zambians without hope out there. They are caught up in this political web of deceit.
In the end POLITICIANS ALWAYS WIN…TRUST ME ON THIS ONE!!
MMD must be careful with Mumbi may things he reviews dont help MMD they just confuse you more by losing concentration he can be a PF plant in MMD.Those who have not read the Barotse Agreement go to goggle search and judge for yourself you will notice secession is not mentioned any where but its real it united two countries to form Zambia.I wonder why Mumbi is bringing Sata in to this.strange
nosense will not blind us in spearhearding change,mumbi is just trying to make sure that butter and bread on his table do not miss for further five years
The question we need to know is, who privileged Mumbi to these documents? The f00l in this case is Rupiah Banda who has failed to protect state documents to gain some lost political mileage even when he knows that these cannot only lead to unwarranted violence, he still takes documents that are state house and gives to Mumbi, a person of a lot questionable background as documented that he is a phony who does not even know his real name, let alone what is talks about.
#25, Sata was never Minister of Home affairs or even chief of the intelligence. Probably you should ask people who held those positions with regard to the coup plot and the subsequent arrests of the accused.
The article does not say the documents were confidential, maybe we should not divert the discussion based on an assumption.
Its just interesting that Mr Sata recent pronouncement are pro barotse when he annoyed Aka when he was anti. When did he change and why? And i dont think Chiluba can explain that on his behalf.
#31
Read presidency as president
TUESDAY, JUNE 16 , 2009 THE BAROTSELAND AGREEMENT 1964 THE BAROTSELAND AGREEMENT 1964 Presented to parliament by the secretary for commonwealth relations by command of her majesty may 1964 LONDON HER MAJESTY’S STATIONERY OFFICE EIGHTPENCE NET Cmnd.2366 THE BAROTSELAND AGREEMENT 1964 Following talks in London between the British Government, the Government of Northern Rhodesia and The Litunga of Barotseland; an Agreement regarding the position of Barotseland within independent Northern Rhodesia was concluded at the commonwealth Relations office on 18 th May, 1964. It is entitled, “The Barotseland Agreement 1964 “. It was signed by Dr.K.D. Kaunda, Prime Minister of Northern Rhodesia, by Sir Mwanawina Lewanika III,K.B.E Litunga of Barotseland and by the Right Honourable Duncan…
hehe…this is madness. Who was a leader Sata or Chiluba? Who made the resolution ..the committee or Sata? Sata was just part of 1991-1993 MMD government and what ever resolution Chiluba came up with are not Sata to explain but Chiluba.
This how MMD builds Sata day in and out. Zambians are not too dull as not to understand what is going on. There is panic in the MMD camp that Sata is gaining momentum every day.
No force of propaganda will bring Sata and PF down. People of Zambia have resolved to chase MMD away.
Let Kaunda, chiluba and RB explain why they have not honoured the ERB agreement, not Sata.
Hehe…Mumbi is finished together with his dull boss MMD .
some of the bloggers must realise that mulandu suwola, a case does not rot. Sata signed those papers, he was among the 8 ministers, be it 20 years ago, why is he an angel now? how many more issues is he going to u-turn on? yes we need change but its not Sata who can bring sanity! that im very sure and most of you are selfish, you live abroad you will not be affected by the mediocre gov that this man will run. you are already in the system of the westerners remain there.
Except those deluded thugs testing room for insurgency bound to face treason, the majority sober peoples of Western province who are all whether united nationalists nationalist will never be mop rags to Sata whose public life is rich in hostile anti lozi posture. Besides all evidence of Sata’s ant Western province, Sata’s hostile anti BA 64 is with trail in statutory evidence and crimes against humanity. He will have to undo the wise people of western province, the intelligence records, media records and testimonies of his victims. It is he who fired and discriminated against all qualified people of Western province at then Medical stores, local Government. It is him only in the history of Zambia with a record of vetting every executive nomination of lozis to any key public offices.
# 35 Big Mama says,
Documents written by cabinet are consided confidential before they can be passed on for any recommendation. Govt does not publish such artcles until they are passed by Parliament then published in the Government Gazette.
This Mumbi is Given access to such Docx illegally which could backfire at the Govt. Rupiah banda has not made any statement to address the nation so that the issue can be negotiated peacifully but rather is leaking such Docx to Party Cadres like Mumbi
The matter under discussion is defunct. If Mr. Sata is being linked to have contributed to this matter being amicably solved as it had before, then he is the genius mind we need to move Zambia forward. I have no time to waste hearing from disgruntled people who want to turn the most peaceful nation in Africa into chaos. I too suggest that every disgruntled element proposing for chaos in Zambia be slapped with the sentence of treason. This will teach everyone a lesson to behave. Peace costs. The price tag it comes with may be costly. Please deal with this issue decisively before a seed of disunity will be planted and weeding will be too difficult to achieve! One Zambia One Nation!
#41 Senior citizen/ veteran,
All the bloggers now know you as a great liar. All what you say are lies, lies upon lies. Shame on you man.
Whether you like it or not Sata is rulling this year.
Mumbi at it again.
He will destroy himself because of his “pig-headedness”.
All learned zambians remeber sata was the champion of FJTs 3rd term. He was in the middle of that theiving circle now he wants to jail FJT. Sata, Now even the pesants look at him as joke with his pointless politiking.
I wonder where Mumbi gets such sensitive documents from, I should believe that those documents he is referring to are Government properties which can not just be found on the market but under lock and key in Govt. cabinets. Can he be probed how he accessed those documents. DEC, its your time now to act.:o:o
#1, is Mr Sata the change that Zambia desires? What are you changing, back to one party state and nationalisation? Or giving the man a chance to lead corruption as president?
Kambongolo # 44,
Indeed you re right whether i like it or not Sata this year is running to Taiwan on a self imposed asylum if not set to take a final and debilitating heart jam on landing a 5th time ballot rejection at national level.
Kambongolo # 44,
Vacuous Sata is being used to help sales of an embattled tabloid that has never delivered any candidate victory in contemporary democratic dispensation. Deluded Sata is not only in a political cul-de-sac, but clearly at risk of passing out with a final heart jam after taking a decisive democratic ballot rejection for his 5th time in a role. Now RB in a campaign overdrive national wide is ballot ready. Sata will be luck to reach Taiwan where he has already applied for a self imposed asylum on taking a 5th time ballot defeat. God forbid he is bound to take take a debilitating or lethal heart airlock this time around.
I have been telling you people all along that SATA is MMD so if you want real CHANGE it’s ONLY HH who is CLEAN. That is where changge can come from period! Honestry what change can a normal person expect from former CONSTABLE, former UNIP, fomer MMD???
All policy statements of Sata on many public issues over his disservice years are now available to start running on public media and mobile technology in all parts of Zambia. They are in crips and record audio statements. One of them was Sata’s opposition to any appointment or retention of lozis in the public service after 1991. The recent one is that of Levy appointing Inonge into the diplomatic corp and her nomination for the AU chair.
# 50, Senior citizen / Veteran,
Just read through what you are ranting…..too dull rants man. You write like a man who does not think…always telling lies thinking the new Zambia is in the 60,s where dullness prevailed over the rational thinking of people.
We know that you are an MMD bootlicker who has no qualifications to talk about….dull creature you are ..and ever you shall remain bootliking man.
Get life. NONSENSE.
13. Mushota I am not sure what your posting is. But if it is comments relating to the contributions listed by number, where you say #10 Grammar, Spellings. One word Dull?. Please can you categorically state which spelling or/and grammer errors have been made. Otherwise you are right, your contibution is nothing more than exactly what you say it is – RANTING
:-w [-([-( So this is the leader who Zambians want to be ruled by?? I’d rather have RB for 5 more years than Sata, Its a pity people are blinded by conspiracy theorists like the Post, Michael Sata cannot be trusted he is too desperate for power, we are shown his constant changing views on issues, he is unstable and he is a loose canon. Two governments in positions of influence, what change is he preaching for now, when he had the chance to do so. Zambians open your eyes before its too late.
you chaps stop accusing SATANA . lozis cano longer be cheated not even by your snake. The issue is hoter than ever ,those doubting will prove right . Col panji the prophet said there will be blood shed ,cant you people here now?
Kashota
This is all irrelevant the fact of the matter still remains that Zambia was born when the agreement was signed as a legal deed by the named parties. KK should be tried for treason, it was his government that amended the constitution for selfish reasons. So what if Sata was against it back then, he has obviously realised that he was wrong. This issue will not go away if anything this Mumbi chap is making matters worse, because what he is revealing is very sensitive. DEC please nab this guy and find the source of this information. Most people may not realise but Chiluba’s GOV and the late Illute never got along upon his death they (Chiluba and Co) campaigned for the current litunga to ascend to the throne. They probably killed him because he was for the 1964 agreement.
Could Mumbi have the genius of Julian Assange? His leaks are all anti-Sata so far but they give an insight into Zambia alternative/shadow government. If Mr Sata thought his previous anti-Lozi rantings were protected under cabinet confidentiality, this represents a rude shock.
that was a wise answer by Given lubinda,and i dont surport the idear of secesssion.Please you lozi guys you will never get what you are dreaming of ,just forget and think positively like any other patriot Zambians.westen province will always be a zambian province
These people listed below are the ones that signed the Barotseland Agreement of 1964 and I note with interest that Mr K. Kaunda was one of them and also happens to be the one who abrogated it landing us on the brink of civil was we find ourselves today. He ought to be brought to book for TREASON, not those innocent people in Mongu: Signed – E.D. HONE (Governor of Northern Rhodesia), Mr K.D. KAUNDA (Prime Minister of Northern Rhodesia), RICHARD HORNBY (Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations and the Colonies), Sir MWANAWINA LEWANIKA III, K.B.E. (Litunga of Barotseland), IMENDA SIBANDI (Ngambela of Barotseland) The Right Honourable DUNCAN SANDYS (Her Majesty’s Principal Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations and the Colonies)
So how did he get hold of the document, who gave it to him? This man’s excitement will land him in very serious trouble some of these days. He behaves like a little naughty boy in a sweet shop. Has he even ever heard of collective responsibilty, Sata was just a mere Minister with same powers as his 7 seven collegues therefore, its pure foo’lishness to try and decampagin him using this nonsense.
This just cheap politicking,desperate times call for desperate measures that is the case this time.Reminder as a Minister you follow orders and show were your loyalites lie.Mumbi is the one any normal thinking zambian citizen should be careful with I personally would take what comes out of his mouth with a pinch of salt and question whatever documentation he produces.Does this fella have a history of fraud-like related activities? He seems to be an expert in this field,Watch this space.
Mwebantu, if Mumbi can access Cabinet documents Willy billy even before the prescribed 30 years, then pass the Freedom on Information bill so that we can have access to them as well. These selective release of classified documents is no different from selective application of justice. RB, be careful muntu wandi when the new govt will bring out Cabinet papers on RP. Bonse nabana bone you will go to jail. kaleza kaning’ambe.
Arrest Mumbi for accessing classified government documents. He should be charged for conspiracy and treason. Now we know he is the one who was feeding Wikileaks with Chinese bullets production in Mkushi Zambia.
Could Mr Mumbi also use his privileged position to access the Gabon disaster documents. That could be of more interest to all Zambians.
THIS MATTER IS ACTUALLY TRUE KA CHILUBA AND SATA HAD ENGINEERED TO DETHRONE THE LITUNGA, IN FACT FOR YOUR OWN INFORMATION THE LITUNGA IS NOT A CHIEF LITUNGA but a KING AS HE RESIDES OVER A MONARCHY,I WAS AT CABINET OFFICE BY THEN AND SATA THEN MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT PLANNED REDUCE THE LITUNGA TO JUST A SMALLER CHIEF, LET US NOT BE SWAYED BY PF BLOGERS HERE ,THE ISSUE IS CAN THIS ONE SATA REFUTE MUMBI’S CLAIMS, SATA CAN NOT BE TRUSTED AS HE IS NOT A HONEST GUY AND CAN CHANGE ANY SECOND, U KNOW HOW HE F00LED US ON THE 3RD TERM. IS THIS ANGEL OR SATAn you want to be in plot1 .God forbid
Mushota you are one of the only ones talking sense. Sense should prevail
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#67 Corncerned Orbserver – yes we would like that document although I am sure pa Wikileaks tizaona shuwa mudala. Even I can get that document but am fearing you know?
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ati #65 bullets production in Zambia ni SECRETIIIIIIII!!!!!! chopetijot…
Anyway I believe the Warsaw Pact 7.62 rounds in container loads are freely available to anyone who knows RB’s sons at the price of … who knows … but wanaume ati 2 million USD per 20 million (10c each)
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and even we know where Lornd Lukan is?????
Whether Sata abrogated it or not, the fact remains the same, that document was illegal because it covered other areas which are not Barotseland, and the owners of that land never consented to it. What that Litunga and the Lozis did was not good, to include what did not belong to them. Lozis in that document called BA64 included parts of North-western, copperbelt, central and even Southern on pretext that they fought and conqured those tribes to grab land from them. I am not saying whatever was in that document was bad, the only problem I have is Lozis claiming what did not belong to them and even including it in their document, shame on them anyway. No wonder it never worked because it was dubious, done behind other people’s backs.
If that document covered only western province, I would have blamed someone for abrogating it, but as an enlightened person with laws, I say it was for a purpose. Lozis claim that they included territories beyond western province because they conqured those tribes and grabed land from them, but according to UN charter on land issues, you cannot acquire land through fighting others and as such Isreal had to surrender the Sinai Peninsular which they grabed from Egypt through fighting. Secondly humans demands that people are free to choose where they should belong and not one chief or leader to choose for them. SO I CAN SAY THAT DOCUMENT WAS ABROGATED FOR A PURPOSE BECAUSE CERTAIN ISSUES WERE ILLEGAL, DONE BEHIND OTHER PEOPLE’S BACKS. Lozis we are watching you closely.
#74 sorry, I meant human rights demand that…..
Country men,
MMD and Mumbi have urinated on our heads again
This is cheap propaganda. This shows how scared they have now become. Imwe, kwasila manje.
I wonder why Mumbi should not be arrested according to the State Security Act. The people who are familiar with what it entails should advice because civil servants either currently serving or those that have served should not be able to expose information. Both the giver and the reciever should be prosecuted.
Being Namwanga, I would say Bembas know the law so well because they fought Ngonis but they never intended to grab land from them and even never bothered to influence them to speak Bemba language. Bemba and Ngonis live in peace sis by side. Secondly, there are so many Bembas on the copperbelt, but you never hear them say they are the owners of the Copperbelt, they really accept that it is for Lambas despite the influence they have. As for Lozis, they wanted to share the country in between by even including people who never consented to be part of them. THANKS kk AND FRIENDS FOR SAVING US FROM THE LOZI CONFUSION, of luck of human rights.
#76 Man it is only MONKEYS which urinates at people living at state house. Don’t say that to MMD and Mumbi unless you have seen them with imicila.
1.The BRE agreement issue has come up so let the govt sort it out in a way they deem fit because it’s their responsibility.
2.Sata is linked to having worked against the recognition of the BRE agreement so let him refute the allegations to the satisfaction of the zambian public and the Lozis in particular.
#79, you must be blind. Are you sure, you have not seen tails on the confused M.M.D and their mercenary mumbi? Upto now, you dont know that M.M.D have lost the gene for human beings and have acquired something else close to ….
I put this one here due to traffic. Please do not chastise me.
Chinese traders in Tanzania’s main city of Dar es Salaam have been give 30 days to stop trading in a busy market.
The deputy industry minister said Chinese businessmen were allowed into the country as investors, but not as “vendors or shoe-shiners”.
Lazaro Nyalandu said these jobs could “be carried out by locals”, Tanzania’s Citizen paper quotes him as saying.
A BBC reporter says there are many foreigners trading illegally in Tanzania, especially from China.
When will Zambia wake up? Banda is killing us from all angles.
Mumbi is PF cadre out to put SATA in the limelight. MMD fails to see that.
A. The source of this documents is known. The question is what level of confidentiality it was given and if it was a Secret document then Mumbi and whoever gave him the document should be cited for abrogatingthe official secrets Act.
B. Sata was definitely part of this meeting thatrepresented Govt, therefore, the same MMD has just shot itself in the foot for abrogating the BRE Agreement and not one person that sat on it. What if a vote was held, what evidence is there that Sata voted for, against or abstained ?
Lets Think before following blindly
Sata, Sata, Sata, Sata- Now even my son who didnt know about him knows Sata and says he vote for him just to see what this Sata is made of.
Oh my God, we are back to Simukonda again the man who is always out of topic. Plz blogg sense. Dont be stagnant there are a lot of issues to discuss, rather than always talking of the same things. I see maybe you were frustrated with a Lozi girl. The Namwangas are far much distance apart, so i doubt if you know much abt the Lozis. We dont have anything in common with you. I advise you Simukonda if you can, to go back in history and change things.
My comment is this, NO one will believe Sata in the Barotse dynasty.
Whilst RB may have some ills here and there, he remains a better and stable person compared to Sata who will like the Chinese today and hate them tomorrow. Of course change can come as most bloggers are saying and hoping for. However the fact is that Sata is not able to lead in todays complex global economy. His way of doing things does not fit in today and he would take Zambia many steps backwards.
Armstrong No #60, yes we agree with you, but whats your comment abt Sata and Mumbi. We want to learn something from you. GO BACK AND READ THE DOCUMENT. Anyone talking of secession hasnt read the document like you Armstrong. Hurry go and read ok then come back and blogg sense.
In the West, leaders seek advice before they comment on issues. Sata should have done the same. He should not have capitalized on the Barotse issue.
He should have just said “this issue needs to be dealt with by government once and for all. if RB and MMD are failing to deal with it, then they should surrender and leave it to Sata and PF to sort it out.”
But instead, Sata decided to comment extensively over something which is both a waste of campaign time and post newspaper headlines.
Sata needs to appreciate the importance of organization and stop parading as a one man show!
These revelations will surely lose him votes in the Western Province.
Gud points No#88
Let Sata come to power and sort out these Barotse separatists!
In the Post newspaper dated January 22, 1996, Mr Sata, who was Minister of Health, said the MMD had written to Dr Chiluba asking him to drop recognition of the Litunga, Chief Chitimukulu and Paramount Chief Mpezeni on grounds that Dr Kaunda had bribed them to confuse their subjects.
Sata has a very big home worrk to do especially that he has lost Luapula. He changes colours at anytime. Even if somebody comes and say to him that allow me to marry Dr. Kaseba then you will win elections,he can accept immediately because he is desperate to be the republican President.
Gud points No#89.
Furthermore, the Nkoyas have refused to be subjects (Slaves) of the BRE and Litunga. They have refused to pay taxes and homage to the Litunga, as demanded by the Barotse Agreement.
Should the Zambian government allow the smaller tribes (Nkoya’s, Ila, Kaonde, Chokwe, Lunda, etc…) to be oppressed by the Litunga through the Barotse Agreement?
Should these other tribes not be free and independent to pick their own leaders and support their own development?
If you cut out the smaller tribes that don’t want to be subjects of the BRE and Litunga, the Lozi Kingdom shrinks to just Mongu, Nalikwanda, Luena and Kalabo. Not much!
Sata has just fallen prey to divisive politics and he has embedded his head in something that he should have steered clear of.
No #89 No point.
This is what happens when you don’t respect process and organization. You become a fool for every little ranting and you don’t know when to comment and when to shut up.
Another proof of how inconsistent Sata is. Zwa Sata.
Sorry i meant No#91
ITS TRUE NO#97 SATA IS NOT THE RIGHT PERSON.
#28 Aussie – Why so defensive? Don’t you want to know the truth about Sata and his participation in the destruction of Zambia from 1991 to 2001? Will the truth not set us all free? Will we not understand Sata better by getting to know his past and his present? Or would you rather we all behave like Sata is the Messiah and is never wrong?
The MMD is dead scared of Sata. That is hy day and night they are busy scheming ways to stop him. In the process, they are busy building him. The MMD will never talk about Mr. Miyanda or nawakwi. They are busy talking about Mr. Sata because he is their threat to their continuous hold on POWER.
So Viva Sata. kafupi once said Sata cant read and write??? How come he chaired a meeting of 8 ministers? MMD confused????
yes sata did that and we wouldn’t want him to blind us by changing his position now..we need change though..vote for fresh and young l;eadership!
foolish you are creating tension in the country you will never be appointed in the GOVT continue cheating your self .you can even reveal satas pants zambians will not agree with your stinking mouth.lost do……..
wikileaks…?
The silly thing about this is that Mumbi is highlighting an MMD stance, NOT a Sata stance. Mumbi was PF, will the PF come out and say Mumbi was part of whichever decisions were made? This is the insanity that is in MMD. Busy shooting themselves in the foot. Honestly, what does MMD aim to gain? Isn’t this just an affirmation that MMD is against the BRE?
Mumbi and MMD are showing a serious levels of political dullness. This stuff is equivalent to the revelation of the tunnels by Chiluba and look what happened with Solo? But this shows who is control of MMD….. Chiluba! And its a mess!
Please GRZ arrest this fool again he has published Classified Documents in his quest to feel his tummy…i am ment to believeall government, ministerial correspondence to the president are classified.
One thing that strikes me about Zambian political parties is lack of consensus on national direction. This is the reason why whoever comes into power wants to do away with almost everything that the predecessors did. Its not healthy for national developmenet. That aside, is SATA really as power hungry as some bloggers portray him to be? I do not think selfish leaders with such huge following accept marginal dobiuos loss of elections and stop their followers from rioting. We may be unfairly judging the old man.
DONCHI KUBEBA!
#92
Veteran – I will not talk about the other chiefs but about Chitimukulu.Lackment Ng’gandu former manager NCCM Nchanga Division. This man was imposed on the Bemba throne by KK. I have personally seen the letters KK used to write to this man on why he should become Chitimukulu without following the channel ie one must be Chief Mwamba or Nkula before he can be considered for Chitimukulu
#86 typical Lozi mentality of not accepting people with a view differnt from yours, and just believing what you know is the only truth no matter how cooked it may be, come guys Lozis come out of that small box. Mind you my mother is Tokaleya and being born in Livingstone city I feel part and parcel of it. It doesn’t take only take Tokaleyas alone to voice out, anyone residing in that beautiful city, who enjoyed the warmth of Chief Mukuni can have a say, because that city is for all Zambians and those who want succession should pack and go to where they belong
We love our President so much that we are blind to what you people call faults. We are happy to be ruled, bullied, abused and our daughters to be impregnated by his powerful genes. Viva PF. When he becomes President we will unite with any other PF party in Africa and destroy Zambis.
When God wants to destroy someone , he first makes them MAD! this is what is happening to MMD and Mumbi wansala…… it simply tells us that MMD are the ones against Lozi’s wakeup dull MMD and discuss the barotse issue ASAP or else you will be held accountable… can’t you read between your nose that things are slipping out of your hands! Mwatampa ukubepesha SATA uwabula power i think let me find out how popular Sata is because everytime i pay tax you give it Chanda Chimba to irritate the viewers on TV or Chi Mumbi naka Siulapwa…….
atase imwe sort out the issue not ifyabupuba ifyo chi mumbi cilelanda mwalatuvundula nomba kwati u have lost direction ninshi Sata Namilowa?…
Mumbi is really being tough and has vowed to fight Sata all the way, I can just imagine how important he has become to the MMD to the extent that they can give him so much access to the government peoples and machinery to use against Sata. If Sata really was part and parcel of that machination being claimed, then I would also wonder what has changed now or is he just trying to get some votes from the Lozis’ and dump them with their Barotse Royal Establishment (BRE) wrangles. Can we really trust anyone of these politicians anymore?
DONCHI KUBEBA, ZAMBIA 4WARD!!!
But Sata mwaume!. Ndadabwa ine ifyo afulunganya ba MMD!!!! Sata Sata Sata, even those who did not know him nomba nabamwishiba. Now that even his party is implementing democratisation, I think I’ll vote for him. Yes!! MMD confused, they even start making public their stance on contentious issues which could otherwise have remained secret! Sata nabafulunganya……………
Nipa Bwato chabe Ba Sata Tulipamo It’s Time chabe
#42
I agree with you how can a person who has never served in a cabinet be found with classified Govt material?
we have a serious problem here. No matter the content thats is state info….
echo panji alelandila
Dont rush to praise Sata He has fueled tension in western province.Sata would be very happy to see the Lozis disintegrate from the rest of Zambia.He hates the Lozis there is no way he can love them now.His interest is to see them out of Zambia.Sata will never appoint a lozi to higher position in Parastatal or public service.When he was a Minister of health he made sure that no Lozi was a director in a Hospital.He removed the Late Dr Ngubai at Kitwe Central Hospital, He removed Dr M.Mubita at Arther Davison Hospital, He removed Dr Eddy Limbambala at UTH as Chief Medical Superitendent.The list is endless.Lozi pipo shud very careful with such politicians.
Its time for SATA for plot one..take it or leave it.Mumbi is seeking a job from RB but knowing the boss he won’t give Mumbi..what happened to nawakwi and sikota after campaigning for RB????????
Dr Kaunda sighned this document…why do people want to nail Mr Sata! The practice by Mr Mumbi to be releasing ”GRZ Documents” any how is setting a very dangerous precedent and must be stopped! BRE presented a paper on this matter to NCC and NCC ignored the submission but now you want to shift positions by blaming to Mr Sata!
It is completely disheartening to reason through the MMDs’ confusion. They believe exposing government documents to bootlickers like Mumbi is decampaigning Sata? It is not, any decision made by cabinet has the mark of collective responsibility and therefore the 8 cabinet ministers acted together, including Sata. What is of interest for the Lozis is to find out what the government intends to do about the Lozi separatists? Are they going to engage them or just issue out historical documents as part of their campaign scam while people start dying? MMD under Kamwendo Munjila Banda has surely gone mad in fear of Sata, all reasoning has left them. No wonder some bloggers are wondering if Sata has bewitched them. Wake UP!! Zambians are fed up with the ‘wikileaks’ kind of polical attcks on…
Just transpired that Mumbi got the story from FTJ so can this dwarf tell us his part in this nonsense as President the/? Aka should come out in the open since he was part of Cabinet
The bottom line is that BRE will N0T vote MMD. ADD will carry the day in that region and MMD must look else were for votes.
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# 93 Anthony Lloyd: For someone with a PhD from Oxford in studies about the origins and social relationships of human beings , you are a shame to academia. With an exception of the Nkoyas and Mbundas, literally all other so called tribes in Western are Luyana you fool. Nyengo, Kwangwa, Kwamulonga etc are all Luyana and perfectly intelligible. Lozi spoken by all people in Western province today was brought by morena Sebitwane and is basically southern Sotho, a replica of what they speak here in Bloemfontein where I live. So please if you do not have anything to say, just f**k off and don’t smear your stinking ignorant defecation here.
Thanks mr.mumbi 4 availing us such useful information from state confidential files regarding mr.sata’s underweighing. Unfortunately mr.mumbi u have come at a rather inappropriate time because many households have already made up their minds on who to vote 4. As for me and my 5 voting household we are voting 4 charles sata micheal chilufya
#100 – If MMD is scared of Sata, then this is bad because they already know their enemy and will work to beat him. In 1991, KK did not think MMD would win and he lost. In 2006, Sata was a non contender and he came 2nd. The enemy you know is easier to beat than the one you dont know!
#104 – If you read the story correctly you will see than this MMD position was a culmination of the Sata led cabinet office committee. Sata and his cabinet crew decided the MMD position. Later on, FTJ rejected their position and refused to derecognize the Litunga. Therefore, Sata was not acting on MMD insutuction. He was part of the architects of the anti-Litunga policy.
#110 – Thank you. You have expressed the PF cadre most accurately.
#124 – There is no need to get upset. Anger is a weakness and not a strength. It is anger which is making the Lozi’s want to kill all other non-lozi tribes in the Province if they dont vacate by 14th January. Dont get angry at me. I am not Lozi, Mbunda, Nkoya, Chokwe, Luvale or Luyana. I am merely making an informed observation. There is no need to resort to insults and violence. These vices will not solve your problems.
It is funny how you insult me here yet you take my taxes through donor aid like a dog with its tail between its legs. You need me more than i need you yet you are quick to insult me. It is because we take time to study you that we know that you will revolt against your leaders if we close the tap of donor aid. This is how gullible you are. But still you insult me!
#125 – You are entitled to your choice. This is what democracy is all about. Some vote on tribal lines, others on nepotistic lines whilst you vote on merit. Never-the-less, always remember that it is not you who the MMD is targeting. They know you have already made up your mind so you are useless to them. It is those who can be reasoned with that they are targeting.
Even in the USA, Obama never targeted the Arian Brothers or the Texas Red Necks. He targeted areas where people were ready to listen and this is how he won.
MMD know their enemy and they know how to deal with him and his supporters. Their strategy is to work on the areas that will give them the vote they need to win and this does not mean trying to convince you to vote for them. To them, you are already ruined.
Its very sad that a government has resorted to use classified documents to fight one man SATA! I mean how did Mumbi get hold of such documents, thats a crime under the laws of Zambia. He should not be surprised if in future he is arrested and brought to answer how he came in possession of such documents.
Satasteria!
satamania
Just to share with all fellow bloggers- one thing that many Zambians have failed to realise is the resolve and decisiveness of the Lozi people. Many times, our patience and tolerance is mistaken for foolishness (or kushishita as you often say). But watch individual Lozis and you will see my point. When we decide to do something and we are convinced as we are now, we go for it. We just don’t sway from one side to another. Lozis know exactly how MC Sata looked at lozis not too long ago. He may have changed but you see, we are not fools. We are also contemplating not to participate in this year’s election if this will make govt realise that we know what we are talking about. I urge you all to go to UK parliamentary debates of 1960s and see it all for yourselves.
There might have been wrongs in the geographical split- and look we are taking of 1900s. I don’t think Lozis would press on having other regions. Barotseland is still potentially rich even in its current form. It is a pity that we are emotionally debating this issue and govt is blind to the conflict engulfing that region. I am an MA holder and still very passionate about this issue- contrary to what the state thinks that it is the tujilijili boys. It is all across classes. May God bless our land!
It is interesting to note that the problem has now shifted from the Barotse Agreement of 1964 to Micheal Sata-Funny indeed
Sataphobia
Zambians there is some truth in this story. Mr.Sata can not avoid being part of the group that sought to destroy the Barotse Agreement and the Litungaship. Remember its during Chiluba’s goverment that the divide and rule tatics of creating hatred between Lozi and Nkoya were introduced and Mr.Sata was Chiluba’s most dependable minister. We need open debate at all levels without criminalizing or threatening citizens on this issue if justice is to prevail. If we disagree on modalities to restore the agreement, then courts of law should help and us Barotse People should not be victimised for seeking justice. All we are saying is let Zambia be honest and restore the Barotse Agreement as well as Heritage period.
No one should seek to destroy the Litungaship and Lozi culture. RB and the Litunga please ensure justice prevails and we close this debate forever.