Government has warned people distributing leaflets inciting Lozis to rise against other tribes for refusing to support calls for secession that they will be cited for treason.
Police in Mongu have stepped up investigations to establish the authors of leaflets containing seditious material encouraging Lozis to rise against other tribes.
The situation in Mongu has escalated in the last few days, with one of the pro-secession groups threatening to expel all non-Lozi-speaking people from Western Province by January 14, for refusing to support their cause.
Inspector-General of Police Francis Kabonde has warned that those perpetrating violence in the province will be arrested and charged accordingly.
Western Province police commanding officer Peacewell Mweemba said the police have intensified investigations to identify the authors of the fliers which are being dropped in all the districts of Western Province.
The BRE has advised people in Western Province not to listen to people who want to cause disunity using the Barotseland Agreement.
Induna Ngambela Litiya said on ZNBC TV that calls to divide the country should not be entertained. He said the talks on the agreement are progressing well with Government.
He said in an interview on January 9 that the police have refused to give the groups a permit to hold their meeting in Limulunga.
A group calling itself Linyungandambo has also threatened the King of the Lozi, the Litunga.
The threats to expel non-Lozi-speaking people and attack the Limulunga palace, the royal home of the Litunga, are contained in leaflets the Linyungandambo has been circulating in Mongu.
But the Mbunda Traditional Association has vowed to defend its people and the Litunga from the insurgence advocated by the Linyungandambo.
On Friday, the BRE distanced itself from the group’s activities and condemned the people calling for Western Province to secede.
Linyungandambo is a group working with the Barotse Freedom Movement and the Movement for Restoration of Barotseland Agreement to agitate for the secession of Western Province.
“This serves to warn the following: Mbundas, Maluvales and other tribes that they should start preparing to leave Barotseland by January 14th 2011, when we shall secede from Zambia,” one of the fliers says.
Cheke Cha Mbunda Cultural and Writers Association spokesperson Maxwell Kalukango condemned the threats by the Linyungandambo to attack the Mbundas and other tribes.
[Zambia Daily Mail]
Where is this madness coming from!
Correct and consistent use of the term secession. You are trainable LT. One Zambia, one nation.
ethnic cleansing is evil…
What is happening in western province? Sata should not involve himself in the Barotse agreement but leave it to the Government to dialogue with the people of western province and the litunga. Inciting the people in western province wont make Sata win the election. What type of a leader is he? This is a person you want to put in office this year!
|Is this the christian nation we hear about bracing itself for genocide? G*d forbid!
Let us not take advantage of the peace and stability that we have enjoyed since indipendence. Kabonde go ahead and crush who ever is agitating violence in the province.VIVA one zambia one Nation
This is simply a case of frustration due to high poverty levels and no hope for better future. People feel cheated and let down by government/politicians who are always making promises every election but fail to deliver.
RB has just failed to run the country thats why primitive barotse war lords have taken advantage
The woman in picture looks like Brian Chituwo, why should she? get a life madam! lol
Kabonde were are you? pliz put a stop to this nonsense. Am a bemba married to a lozi woman in mongu,are they suggensting i should leave my family? Pipo its tense here and to be honest am sleeping with a panga under my bed for defence purpose.
I’m suprized how pipo are linking Mr. Sata to the troubles in Western Province. Mr. Sata only said the problems need urgent answers from this docile Govt., is that calling for suceeding??? the MMD short of brains. Even Col Panji Kaunda when he gave timely warning that there will be bloodshed during 2011 elections if contetious issues are not resolved. The MMD instead of calling him to be briefed where contentious issues are though obvious, they chose to insult him, threaten him etc. Useless MMD. Unless it is them that are saying it.
Slap these war mongers with a death penalty once caught.
Once upon a time in april i remember???? I am growing cold feet lol!!!!!
#3
Sata should actually state his position on BRA and not keep quiet. He is a leader, altenative leader- we should know his position before we vote. What do you understand by democracy? Even HH should. But if they incite anyone then they are wrong. And I dont think Sata has so far incited anyone, if he has Shikapwasha wud not hesitate to arrest him. Ba MMD pls dont just mention Sata’s name everywhere, thats why you make him popular. Remember he became popular in Mufulira after Levy accused him of inciting miners. Miners started thinking there was one who could speak on their behalf and he won their hearts up to now. You risk doing the same in W/Province! I’ve followed Sata’s debate on this issue. I dont see him inciting anyone but just stating his position and support for the BRA
Tutsi’s vs Hutus of Rwanda and Kikuyu’s vs Luo’s of Kenya.
MICHAEL Sata has challenged Frederick Chiluba to be truthful over the Barotse Agreement and courageously state his position on the matter.
In an interview yesterday, Sata urged Chiluba to speak for himself and not hide through misguided cheap political mercenaries like Edward Mumbi by leaking confidential state documents piecemeal.
“That’s Chiluba’s own document, produced in line with his own desires as president of the Republic and the MMD then. It’s his government’s document, the government of the MMD he led. It’s not a PF government’s document,” he said.
He said Chiluba was told the basis of the problems surrounding the Barotse Agreement.
“If Chiluba was sincere he would have given you my honest views on this issue as opposed to what he is doing through disgruntled elements…
He said Chiluba knows the truth but since he was untruthful he would never say it.
“For Chiluba, everything is open to manipulation, to deceit and to lies. For once in his life let him tell the truth about what his position was on the Barotse Agreement,” Sata said. “The truth is he never wanted to hear anything about the Barotse Agreement and he thought it would die a natural death and today he is shocked and confused that his client Rupiah Banda has to deal with the Barotse Agreement. My advice to Rupiah is not to follow Chiluba on this issue but to listen to the collective wisdom of the best-intentioned people in our country.”
He said the country had a lot to learn from the way Barotseland was governed by King Lewanika and his successors.
“Nobody is calling or pushing for…
He said Zambians wanted to see the same support for each other without regard to tribe.
“When things are wrong, they are wrong regardless of the tribe of which is involved and when things are right, they are right regardless of the tribe of which is involved,” Sata said. “I have total conviction that the Barotse Agreement is valid and should be respected and honoured. I believe this is the same spirit other people like Roger Chongwe are calling for the honouring and respect of the Barotse Agreement. This has always been my position even when I served under Chiluba and it is now the position we have taken as PF.”
If there is time to stop taking “JOKERS” as buffoons, this is it! You can not, as a responsible government, keep dismissing this fringe groups in WP as non entities and keep treating them with kids gloves. The moment anyone threatens violence against other innocent Zambian Citizens, in my book, they ceases to be protected by our Constitution—they become CRIMINALS who deserves to be treated as such!!
If these people want WAR, and WAR they should get! Let us see what they are really made of when BAZUCAS start blazing. Talk is cheap! If they want violence, let violence rain upon them!! I bet they will scamper across the borders into Namibia or Angola with their tails between their legs.
DON’T TRY ZIMBABWE BECOZ BOB “THE NUT” MUGABE WILL HAVE YOU SKINNED!
Chiluba out dribbled so manay people withing his inner circle. he ended up dribbling himself. This is a test case.
No you fools. This is the direct result of Zambians reading the Post instead of reading the Bible. Shame on you.
#15 your analogy doesn’t wash in zed.The kikuyus in kenya and Hutus in Rwanda controlled state machinery,control the economy,they’re majorities and their fights were not on separation.In zed it is a minor tribe vs many tribes and no one tribe in zed has that kind of numerical,political or economic might to turn our small fire into a major crisis.So this for us is a passing cloud.
Lozis are a people who do not appreciate anything, Tonga, Ilas and Tokaleyas accomodated them so well in their areas but now what they receive is this is our land in places like Livingstone, Namwala etc. We told you people that these are dogs who cannot appreciate anything, apart from wanting to benefit where others have laboured. For us Luvales know them, they are good for nothing people, chase them so that they can go faster than they arrived with their Mulobezi trane from western province. Thats why Chief Mukuni of the Tokaleya renamed that park to be Mukuni park instead of Barotse park because of the behaviour of these chaps. You accomodate them today you regret in future, because they like to enjoy good even when they cannot afford. Succede alone as Lozis.
We need to see some action, not just threats from the Minister of Home Affairs and the IG.Surely there must be intelligence information available on which to act or should we wait for actual outbreak of violence? Let the govt be proactive for a change.
I doubt any of the groups there authored these seditious materials, it must be the case of a government going out fishing for treason to concoct a case against people genuinely asking for what belongs to them. If arbitrary detentions are enforced, this will just swell the rank and file of the secessionists. And the longer Banda takes to deal with this simple straight forward matter, the more complicated the case becomes. As a country, we are stone broke and we should all be honest with ourselves that if civil hostilities break out, our state coffers could literally dry out overnight. So, scare mongering and dirty remarks just won’t curl people this time, only negotiations will bring about a long lasting peace and preservance of our unitary state, ZAMBIA.
THE LOZI HAVE A RIGHT TO FIGHT FOR WHAT IS THEIRS. THE MBUNDAS AND MALUVALES ARE REFUGEES FROM ANGOLA WHO SHOULD HAVE RETURNED HOME AS SOON AS WAR WAS OVER INTHAT COUNTRY. I WONDER WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IN BAROTSELAND ALL THIS TIME. THEY ARE NOT AT LIBERTY TO BE AGAINST THE LOZI IN THEIR FIGHT FOR FEEDOM. ITS EITHER THEY SUPPORT THEIR HOST OR LEAVE. IT IS SIMPLE. WHICH HOST CAN ENTARTAIN A VISITOR WHO IS SUPPORTING HIS ENEMY? THEY MUST LEAVE IMMEDIATELY. ITS NOT THEIR FIGHT ANYWAY. IF THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE SO LOVING AND SYMPATHETIC TO THESE REFUGEES LET THEM GIVE THEM LAND TO SETTLE ON THEIR AREAS. THEY SHOULD LEAVE BAROTSELAND. HOW DO YOU SPIT IN THE FACE OF YOUR HOST AND STILL WANT TO CONTINUE LIVING IN HIS HOME? YOU MUST BE MAD.
#4 before you make a comment plzzz read the article. Or turn the page in your head, today’s article is not talking about Sata,,, read read read read napapata!!!!!!!!!!
All this thing about tribes is imaginery and colonial. Lozi speaking are essentially Makololo from Lesotho Or is there such a thing as an indegenous Lozi Tribe or we just have Lozi speaking people? If we do how many indegenous Lozi do we have in population? Just like we have Banyanja, those who speak Icinyanja a mixture of formally Zulu, Chewa,Tumbuka speaking and those who speak Ichibemba from Kola, ichilala, Biza etc. Can anyone who has done some history in our local languages and their origins shade some educated light on this please?
MY ADVISE TO ALL THE FOREIGNERS IN BAROTSELAND IS TO KEEP SILENT OVER THIS ISSUE. IT IS NOT THEIR FIGH AND ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT THIS ISSUE WILL GO AWAY IS SIMPLY DREAMING. THE LOZI HAVE BEEN SO QUIET FOR FAR TOO LONG SO THAT NOW EVEN THE PEOPLE THEY WELCOMED FROM A WAR STRICKEN ANGOLA INTO THEIR HOME CAN NOW SPIT ON THEIR FACES AND INSULT THEM AT WILL. IT IS REALLY AMAZING HOW SOME PEOPLE SO EASILY FORGET THE KINDNESS THAT WAS SHOWN THEM. NOW THEY WANT TO ALSO CLAIM TO BELONG WHERE THEY DON’T HAVE ANY ROOTS. I AM AFRAID THAT IS COMING TO AN END BECAUSE THE REAL POLITICS HAVE BEGUN. SE SISA FELI SA TOLELA. BULOZI KI BWALUNA. HA MUZWE, MU KUTE HABO MINA!!!! SE MUKONA NI KULU LWA HA, MINA LULI? NI SWABILE. KE MULIBALA KULI MUBAZWAHULE, KULI MU MAWIKO?
#4 all zambians are free to talk about BRE , including Sata and yoself.
#14 I like your Analise, many pipo on this log need to be educated to be more analytical and logical when making any comment over some issues and not just making vuvuzela’s comments without sense. #26 ATTENTION PLEASE!!!!!!!! are you also with the idea of sending out non-lozis from barotseland?? why should we send back mbundas to Angola now?? Get back to zambia naiwe
#28 Lozis you are the most blind and ignorant people in Zambia, how can you say Mbundas and Luvales are refugees, when you also claim to have originated from the Basotso tribe of South Africa runing away from Shaka Zulu’s military mighty, in short you are also refugees. Therefore, now since you are all refugees the bottom line is to meet somewhere as zambians. The issue of claiming for superiority just because you came first should be out of topic here. Leave those who do not want to be part of you, if people who accept the move cover Mongu and Senanga, then that should be the only area your barotseland should cover, because sense of belonging and recognition is not something you can impose on people. Just adjust your boundaries, not all in W/P are for the idea of secession.
#29 and your people are a disgrace to zambia. how can u use underdevelopment as an excuse as if all the other province in zambia are rich? there are some ppl in northern province who have never seen a car. why not just work to improve the country? i dont know where this kusamwa is coming from but just know that whoever is encouraging you is not doing it becos they give a damn about u.so all lozis should return to western province is that what u mean? the government shud shut down all office starting january 14th? please pull ur head out of ur a$$ and reason like a human being. things are looking up u ungrateful chules. African Parks is restoring ur national parks & u want to stop all that. mwa. nya. muzaipeza answer..ps. i cudnt care less if ur broke away. nobody likes vipuba..
These to ma weak Lozis are just playing chimbuya. They know who to threaten.
It is not that people are against Lozis making their own country no, what many detest is forcing other people who do not want to be part of them and annexing other people’s land. Lesotho was also a British protectorate, when they decided to form a country within South Africa they just concentrated on their own area, they even left out those Basotho who where not for the idea and still wanted to be in South Africa. They never never pushed to share South Africa in between in their quest to make a country despite their Kings being strong and having influence, and thats how fair things should be not claiming for what does not belong to you. Lozis you will never make a deal if you continue habouring that selfishness in you. Think differently and move forward, period.
This is sad.. I always thought on average.. Zambians are better people when it comes to humanity
The idea of Lozis from the beginning was to divide the country into two, Barotseland and Zambia(which was mostly to be Bembaland), so it was like we share land with Bembas, thats why whenever there is an issue they quickly point a finger at Bembas. To be honest, Bembas are a bit fair because I have never head a Bemba no matter how long he can stay on the Copperbelt, he still says I was brought up on the Copperbelt, but am from Luapula, Luwingu etc. For Lozis you accomodate them today and even allow them to reproduce, they will start claiming for your land to be Barotseland. Now Lozi Children connected to the royal family are sponsoring this move e.g Dr Kaluwe Mando because they need royalty funds to better their lives, just work hard guys thats not the way to go.
#29Bo Observer, tate mukuba luli. King’i?
Western province is the only place whereby you are never accepted if you do not belong there. There is too much discrimination against non Lozis, even among themselves those connected to the royal families are too proud of themselves. Those Lozis who are following without analysing who is going to benefit and realising the selfishness of these royal families will regret. This move will not succeed as long as royal families continue to be selfish the way they are. SHAME ON BLIND FOLLOWERS.
This has the potential to go well out of hand. Whether anyone likes it or not, politicians are to blame for all this. I am lozi and i know how capable my tribe is to be coldblooded when they are sure the cause they are fighting for is right. In Rwanda, politicians took advantage of mostly uneducated and unemployed Hutus to fan the genocide. Here, this extremist group will spread the propaganda of how seceding will work for the provinces’ prosperity and how the need to get rid of non-lozis is the foundation for this prosperity. I have a Sri Lankan colleague and he explained to me that the war in his country started out in exactly the same way. A small firebrand group with amazing oratory skills that will convince anyone that killing is ok. If this not nipped in the bud soon, we’re in…
Lozis if you want to finish each other by killing then end there and never come to our zambia as refugees because we will chase you the way you are doing to our beloved people. Finish, kill each other, we will come to take the land as zambians who want to develop it. You guys are really tired of living, does it mean you have no other things to do apart from fighting others and tribalism, no wonder you are so much in poverty.
CAGE THESE DONKEYS!
This is not the time to threaten these chaps with treason. If they are arrested it will fuel more anger amongst these people. We do not know how well armed this group is, I really hope the intelligence wings have done their work. Gov has to show leadership in this matter, as it will not go away, it is clear that there are issues that need resolving and this is the time to do it.
This whole issue if not well handled may lead to bloodshed. Those threatening to Mambunda and Luvales mean busnienss and should nto be taken lightly. We had problems of serial killer called Sipalo in Lusaka it started as a simple thing. Even the Mushala uprising started like a rumor later it became a problem. Govt mus move in shiftly or else this country could be destablised. There is a similar problem in Namibia concerning Kaprivi and facts are there. Let the powers be find a lasting solution before blood is shed.
I miss the KK days these guys would have disappeared already one by one, super Ken ala bane
#23 is a fool,ur stupidity is worse than kunda’s,as for numba 26,spot on,MBUNDAS came 2 zambia in the late 1960’s,2de the lyks of mulyata says he is litunga of the MBUNDAS,they boast of hw they own all businesses in western province as lozis are sleepy,nw lets find out hw sleepy Lozis wen they deport these chaps bk 2 Savimibi land,as 4 Sata,simply shut up u clown,u r part en pascel of this problm,i only pray 4 no violence!
WE HAVE SOME LOZI PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY IGNORANT ABOUT ZAMBIAN HISTORY AND WESTERN PROVINCE IN PARTICULAR.THE MBUNDAS DID NOT COME TO ZAMBIA RUNNING AWAY FROM WAR IN ANGOLA. WHO HELPED LOZIS DEFEAT ILAS AND LUVALES? WHO PROTECTED THE LITUNGASHIP? DO YOU KNOW WHY MBUNDA CHIEFS ARE PLACED AROUND THE LITUNGA’S PALACE? DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE MULAMBWA/CHIYENGELE TREATY OF 1795?(LOOK FOR A COPY AND EDUCATE YOURSELF). WHO SPILT BLOOD FOR ZAMBIAN INDEPENDENCE? DIDN’T BEMBAS ALSO COME FROM ANGOLA? SO DO YOU CALL THEM FOREIGNERS? DIDN’T LOZIS RUN AWAY FROM SHAKA ZULU? SO ARE THEY NOT FOREIGNERS TOO? WHAT GIVES THEM THE GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO THINK ONLY OTHERS ARE FOREIGNERS IN ZAMBIA? ALL ZAMBIANS ARE FOREIGNERS HERE!! MBUNDAS ARE FOUND IN ZAMBIA, ANGOLA, NAMIBIA AND CONGO DR AND ARE FULL CITIZENS IN…
No one should add innocent Lozis of the ploy. One question you should all answer is how many Lozis dropped the fliers? Those are the people 2 blame. Articulate before u knock out somebody tryin to lift u in a brawl. Remember, any stronger thought of war should be opposed by a stronger thought of peace!
Sata’s comments in The Post are untruthful and calculated. He was at the helm of the document. He was the one that was given the task to make recommendations and drove everyone to agree only with what (he) Sata wanted to be in the document.
In fact, the original draft was altered just to suit his outline and agenda. >>>>
Yes ! It is 100% true this document is there. I had just joined the cabinet office during that period. We drafted and printed this document and handed it to the then committee. I am now in the private sector but remember very well.
This even led to one Lozi Senior Cabinet Administrator resign because Sata had called the people of Western Province all sorts of names for wasting government time and money.
I know sometimes Mumbi is there in for Sata. However, on this one he is correct in Black & White. Sata needs to explain why he has changed his mind
Signs of the end times. Tick, tick, tick May 21, 2010 Jugdement Day. Get Ready !
lozis are the most foolish people this country has ever had. they are very lazi and only enjoy drinking and prostitution. i have worked in mongu. from moning up to sunset they are always quarelling amongst themselves. let them secede mwaba fisandi ba makaka.mwefipuba imwe
these lozis again.chase these monkeys
The solution to this problem is to change the system of Government in Zambia to a Federal System. What has caused this problem is the Central Government claiming to be champions and want people in the provinces sit and wait for them to do everything meanwhile they DO NOTHING for the Provinces. The Centralised Government System has let us down. The NCC should sit again and discuss real politics and throw away that Cosmetic/Childish Constitution which left out important issues like the BA64.
#45, are you sure they came to Zambia in late 60’s? You must be a joker. Ask Austin Liato, when he was born and where? Ala mwebantu bamu Zambia UBUTUTU MULEKE
#48, 49, When Chiluba opened his mouth, he said Sata cannot write even simple minutes, so who are you cheating?
One Zambia One Nation
#48,49, tell us the other 7 or 8 cabinet ministers so we can make informed decisions than being amaturish to just say sata was on the committee, UBUTUTU ULEKE IWE KAPALA
Kekekekek… Now the Government has seen there is a problem in the province.. Unfortunately its too late..When things were starting, govt was saying everything is aright in the province.. These are the results of BLP (Boot Licking Politics) The presidents was being cheated everything was fine in western, it’s time for him to know there is a crisis..
Elabila a zungu ati, ‘Vilekeni vi ma boyi. Tikavipasa indipendensi ngati tafumapo, vikayambe soti kugwazana na mikondo. Vi banthu ni vi masilu veka veka.’
Lomba ma voti uku ku mazulo akankhale tyani ‘fli andi feya’ ngati seo a manyukunyuku oti tamfya aba amahena.
When my friend was sued for divorce by his wife the local court justice asked to say something before judgment could be passed. He replied “BALEMUNKAFYE KU BANTU” meaning she was just being incited by certain people to divorce upon which the justice asked a Kapaso to check the dock where the woman was standing if there was someone else in that dock. The Kapaso checked and said there was nobody else in the dock. So he was asked which people he meant but had no answer to this query.
#9. Good observation. the woman indeed looks like Hon. Brian Chituwo.
May be they are related. These Lozi fools should behave themselves. What do they have in their sand?
Manyukunyuku?
The land mass they are asking for is too big. I don’t know what will be left of Zambia if this agreement pulls through so to me this is a non starter. PERIOD. Selfish lozis as ever!!!!!
# 1 The madness is coming from some people who are outside Zambia galvanizing support and rebellion. They together with those at home must be caged and slapped with treason! They want to bring Kenya and Rwanda to Zambia. Amafools.
58# CHE GUAVARA
I am not sure what world you leave in. If you are a meeting of such kind or in any business world per say, usually, minutes are recorded and written by junior staff.
All Sata had done was to narrate and give instructions to junior staff what was to be in the final Draft, regardless of what anyone said. This was the error when Sata was just simply untouchable because he was the right hand man of Chiluba
The rest of the other people that were in the committee did not agree with his analysis but had just to give in to avoid repercussions. This was how Chiluba & Sata run MMD & GRZ. >>>>
It not up to me to give names of the people that were in the committee and broadcast the names on the public domain such as this blog. I am sure in due course, these names will pop out
This it about what Sata said or contributed to the document and not what the rest of the team said. We are talking about Sata as to why h has changed his position
#36 Don’t forget that generations come and generations go. I am a sad man to note that zambia is degenerating into a spoiled and meaningless nation. You judge from the naivity of the comments on this blogspot ,let alone, the divisive stories LT is publishing of course from Govt media like ZNBC, ZANIS and Times of Zambia. Not forgeting the stories from the famous Post.
This nation is being divided politically, tribally and socially. The Old people of this country have turned themselves to be destroyers and not builders. Worse still the youth have lost ground.
I am not sure what world you leave in. If you are in a meeting of such kind or in any business world per say, usually, minutes are recorded and written by junior staff.
All Sata had done was to narrate and give instructions to junior staff what was to be in the final Draft, regardless of what anyone said. This was the error when Sata was just simply untouchable because he was the right hand man of Chiluba
The rest of the other people that were in the committee did not agree with his analysis but had just to give in to avoid repercussions. This was how Chiluba & Sata run MMD & GRZ. >>>>
continued for 58# CHE GUAVARA
Its not up to me to give names of the people that were in the committee and broadcast the names on the public domain such as this blog. I am sure in due course, these names will pop out
This is about what Sata said or contributed to the document and not what the rest of the team said. We are talking about Sata as to why h has changed his position
#69 ALL this is because MMD are ready to use any method to retain power. At election time all airports must be closed because these chaps may run awy after losing.
I just finished reading the post online, Sata has said his position on this matter after reading what he said am convinced beyond reasonable doubt that. The Government of today is running away from the problem rather than solve it. its actually the MMD who is actually trying to gain Political mileage on this one
I am a sad man to see that a simple agreement can be politicized to this extent. BRE talk would not have taken effect if development was taken to every corner of zambia. All I read from these old folks’ (SATA and RB) mouths are issues out of trivial matters. We surely need a serious deliverance from this plague of malice and an unwarranted attacks on each other before Zambia is completely devoured…before we condemn ourselves to hell. What story will we have for our grand kids. We only have but one country………Zambia. Is Zambia Surely a christian Nation???????
God Save This Nation from greedy and ill-minded brains.
God Save Zambia.
people should think twice before making foolish comments.lets not allow ourselves to go into what happened in rwanda.we need peace and not blood
When every correct thinking African wants our continent organised as one country the way it was before it was partitioned by ba mwisa for ba mwisa, we still have people who want to carve up Africa into small tribal territories. Is it not time to dismantle these artificial boundaries and allow Africans to move and do business freely with each other?
Shocking to hear Mbundas, Luvales etc are foreigners in their own land! How stupid can one sink to even entertain such a notion?
#68 just mention them.Why are you afraid?
The Observer, that’s where you get it wrong, you want other tribes to help you just to benefit your own selfish motives. Some of us we are proud of where we originate from, yes we might have come from Angola but we are proud Zambians, even when visiting Angola our Angolan relatives have accepted us as Zambians. One Zambia One Nation, ZAMBIAN TO THE BONE.
BUT HONESTRY SPEAKING,MR IG CAGE THIS COCROCHESE THEY WANT ANATHER APRIL BUT THS IS JANUARY IN RUANDA THEY SAY SOME TIME IN APRIL NOW IN ZAMBIA WE SHALL SAY SOME TIME IN JANUARY,LETS WAIT AND SEE BLOOD LOZIS.IT LL BE A LOZI KILING A FELLOW LOZI VERY INTRESTING.
Selfish government leaders where only waiting for this issue to go this far so that lozis can be called all kinds of names.
What is happening in western province is not something to smile about, its something heart breaking. Please government take education to these pipo especially universities because they are being cheated a lot, in 2006 some villagers in lukulu were told that;
1. There are machines which are tracking all those voting against MMD and the pay price would be no relief food.
2. Don’t vote for sata because he will bring war/Violence in the country.
An they believed.Now who do we blame the happenings in western province on? I would say its the poor human self-centred government leaders both at local and high authority.
Deja Vu @#72
Stop imagining things and join the winning team-MMD.Get to experience the winning feeling again.
#80
VJ Rigger- What winning team. Iam a founder member of MMD not this UNIP you want to protect. For your information Iam self sustaining so I dont have to tell lies in order to fill my stamuch
Sata you are de Campaigning yourself, a quick question for you. Do you think the Bundas, Lundas, Luvales, Tongas and other tribes who are in Western Province will vote for you this year? Now with the complications coming out of you purported support to the restoration of Barotse Land. Besides most well meaning Lozis are not supporting the idea of delinking themselves from Zambia. You are using a wrong strategy; Simply put! Sata will get less than 15% votes from the Western Province, because he has disappointed the few voters that he had in the province.
mpangula thanks
all that our hungry fellows want is development ..equal distribution of wealth..
Dialogue is the way to go not violence is a primitive way of doing things stop it
#8, though your words are a little graphic, you have surely fingered the root cause of the problem.
Sixty years on from the signing of the universal declaration of human rights, governments around the world have failed to fulfil their obligations under international law (as stated in the international covenant on the economic, social and cultural rights). With more than one billion people around the world still lacking even the most basic healthcare, the right to health remains largely rhetoric. A failure to apply its principles has led to persistent and widening Health, economic, cultural and social inequalities both between and within countries. Zambia endowed with corruption cannot be at said to be at peace.
Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and
well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing,
and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security
in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or
other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
Endemic corruption in Third World politics have been cited as one major factor responsible for the regions’ enduring poverty and underdevelopment. Several factors have been identified as contributing to corruption in Third World countries. Among these are the electoral and justice systems. The way and manner most of the leaders get into office is far from democratic. Their political foundation is faulty from the very beginning
Most are aware that nobody elected them in the first place, so they don’t feel accountable to any one. Those in power in most of these countries simply view politics as business, and they do not hesitate to use their political offices to garner as much of the national wealth as they please. Accountability? They simply don’t feel accountable to anyone. Yes, mention is of the rule of law in government quarters, but no one is deceived by such rhetoric. The reality is that those who should be leading by examples are not playing by the rules, and this is not lost on ordinary citizens.
Mushota where are you?
Debet on this Mushota
its simply total madness!
Warning. It sounds simple and funny to talk about the BRA hence you can joke, insult and judge to your best ignorance. The truth is the Agreement existed and still exist. Some politician after Kaunda decided it was a peace of trash and took it to the bin. Well he achieved it by ‘silencing’ all those who spoke about it, but only for a moment. This issue was taken to courts but, alas, the Kangaroo has taken over. The lawyer Sipalo Ngenda, MHSRIP was slained presenting the BRA. I tell you Lozis are dangerous in secrecy. People may start disappearing one by one and they call that Kuunu. It is a common phenomena with Lozis so please don’t put fuel on fire. Government should do alot of dialogue and give them respect. They easily judge lack of respect in whatever you do with them.
Now that Western is the least developed and poorest of all nine provinces, the people feel cheated in accepting to share the cake (merging). They feel they are taken for granted and can do it better on their own. The other thing is corruption. Lozis naturally dislike stealing (masholi) and sharing a cake with Lisholi has been a nightmare for them. However, educated Lozis are not very keen to keeping the same old BRA as it tends to give a lot of powers to the Royals than a common Lozi. However the majority feel its better their King gets the bigger share than anyone else. Lozis equate their King to republican presido. So be very very careful with what you say. I know them i better keep quiet than say something that may anger them more, other tribes are shivering, coz its hot on the ground
#83 Anecho, excellent analysis, the miscalculated opporttunism exhibited by the opposition is reaching worrying levels. Secessionist Lozis wont bother to vote for Mr Sata but he has now hurt the Mbundas/Luvales who would have otherwise voted for him.
#60-61, i am very dissapointed with your self pity, that beautiful language is not suitable for expressing your inferiority complex. Why dont you dress in sack cloths and live among garbage if it helps you?
just use the arm and air force chase us into namibia or angola then we shall know how lucky we are to be in zambia
#73 Kanyeletu!!!
Mr Sata says, “We want to see the same unity in our country, the same respect for everyone regardless of their tribe or countries of origin.”
This man is the most double faced man I have ever known! I know people personally whom Mr Sata threatened to depot to Malawi, Tanzania, Angola and South Africa! This happened when he was in Chiluba’s government. Susan Jere was most notable among them. Now he talks about harmony regardless of country of origin! Several Zambians were sidelined by prominent Bembas in the UNIP administration by reason of their origins! Some like a well known sports commentator maintained high octane diplomacy in order to keep their status in Zambia. Many Zambians are tribal, national and bigoted by nature. Sata is one of them!
#95 We do not care wharever you think you can do, you are just flies hovering around food. You can write as many threats as you can, but we will never change our minds as long as that document contains certain issues not applicable to other tribes e.g claiming land that does not belong to western province. You can even if you like go on national TV to air out your threats, but we won’t move an inch.
It was Chiluba with a late law Professor and Sata in government who harangued Dr Kaunda to be declared Stateless. Sata never resigned in protest against that! William Banda was depoted to Nyasaland by the same cohort. Sata has never defended any Zambian citizen with roots from another country whether privately or publicly when harrassed by the state! He kept calling Arthur Yoyo a Cape coloured. Oh, no friends, do not credit this man with the decency of civilisation! If he becomes President, so be it but we should not clothe him in clothes that do not fit him. Let Mr Sata be what he is and let the Zambian people choose him or not just as he is. It is a democracy after all. Mr Nkrumah said that we should have the right to destroy ourselves. So be it.
Am not bothered by swines and backward people like Kanguya. Yu are to late you ass hole, what you should be thinking now is how the issue will end and i hope in the peacefull manner. If you call us Dogs i wonder who you are. Get educated obe chizaluke. Dont use emotions but debate wisely man.
all this nonsense is playing well in the hands of RB…a chance to call off the general elections. they must have paid good money to those thugs and lets hope they are not warlords from dr congo bcoz things might get out hand as RB attempts to cling to power. that could just be the bigger picture.
WESTERN PROVINCE WILL BE INDEPENDENT IN MONTHS TO COME,WHOEVER IS NOT LOZI WILL NEED A VISA TO LIVE IN OUR KINGDOM,JUST LIKE LESOTHO O SWAZILAND,AM COMING OVER TO FIGHT FOR OUT INDEPENDENCE FROM ZAMBIA,WHOEVER DOES NOT SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENCE WILL BE EXCUTED,WE ARE GOING TO CHASE AWAY ALL FOREIGNERS IN OUR KINGDOM
# 96 Are a Lozi in hidding? Why are you trying to intimidate other bloggers.We are not afraid of you or whoever you represent.Each and every individual is intitalled to their opnion,So take your cheap,baseless threats elsewhere.
…The name Lewanika is a Mbunda name given to then Lozi chief whom they saved from being murdered by Luvales. Zambezi comes from Mbunda word Lyambai. Mbundas have been used by Lozis before who turned to spit in their faces and now have said enough is enough – you can’t use us any more and that’s the crime we have committed. If you make WP unsafe for Mbundas, we will also make it unsafe for everyone! You kill just 1 Mbunda, 2 Lozis shall be killed.Who own most businesses in WP? Who do most farming in WP? Its Mbundas! If you have failed in life just leave WP and Zambia so that our pipo can coexist peacefully as they have done over the centuries. Many pipo in WP have mixed Mbunda/Lozi blood, what are you going to do with them? Deport them where? If you start a fire it wil…
It is sad to note that bloggers are not getting it. Big ups Lozis you are visionaries and leaders show us the way.
LOZIS YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL THAT THE LUVALES AND MBUNDAS AND LUVALES TAUGHT YOU HOW TO GROW CROPS. YOU ONLY KNEW LITAPI. THE WORST MISTAKE YOU WILL MAKE IS TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THESE TWO TRIBES. AS YOU GO FOR THE KAN’GOTO, THE WILL HIT YOU WITH THEIR ‘KARAVINA’ GUNS..WATCH OUT!!
Gentlemen lets not be cheated by these kapunjunju journos who are hell bent on causing unnecessary arnachy in zed. to start with there is no violence in western province. there are a few disgruntled chaps vomitting here and there but that should not send serious ice chills in your spines as the situation is totally under control take it or not. secondly those few mangwams calling for secessation do not represent the people of Barotseland. what the people there want is fair distribution of resources as enshrined in the Paragraph 7 of the BA. the other issue is that although at times there have been little misunderstandings between lozis and others, there is nothing like killing non lozis as the lozis are much alive to the fact non lozis play a vital role in their lives.NO FEAR FAKE MEDIA ST
this bre issue, were all zambians consulted when signing this agreement or do the majority of zambians support it or is it only the Lozis.
if thats so iwould suggest we go for referandum so that the agreement can be revisited