Labour and Social Security Minister Fackson Shamenda has advised UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema to stop alarming the nation on issues he does not understand.
Responding to Mr. Hichilema statement that the move by government to reform the public service pension scheme is a ploy not to pay retirees, Mr. Shamenda said that Mr. Hichilema should keep quiet than mislead the nation.
He explained that governments world over are reforming their public pension schemes in a bid to give better conditions to the majority retirees who for many years fail to get their retirement package on time.
Mr. Shamenda said that government is not in support of politicians that want to alarm the nation on simple issues.
He said that the Patriotic Front government is committed to ensuring that Zambians have their retirement dues in a quick way than waiting for years to get their gratuities.
Mr Shamenda has since appealed to Mr. Hichilema to seek audience with him if he is to understand the move by government to reform the public service pension scheme
Hon. Shamenda, it is acceptable that you are willing to explain to HH fine points regarding the change in Government policy, however, can you also explain to the people such changes. After all, HH has never voted for you but the Zambians have and have right to know.
Its amazing how these politicians behave. Instead of looking at the conserns raised by someone, they look at who has raised those concerns and then adress the person who raised the concerns and not neccessarily the cncerns raised. Its not all of us who have the privellage of talking to the media or have a platform where everyone will hear what we have in mind but we may share the same concerns. So please insterd of you asking him to come to your office, just address the issues raised unless you say all those with issuess are welcome. After all acording to your own words he has arleady misslead the nation so why can’t you give the correct picture to the nation?
Shamenda not even shut up, but he can go to hell
GO TO HELL FIRST YOURSELF BECAUSE WE DON’T SUPPORT STANCE TAKEN BY GOVT
Bushe iwe Shamenda if I drink my pension what does it matter to you. Is it your money? If i chop my money on prostitutes and i dont care why should it bother you. Give me the lamp sum so that I do with what is pleasing to me not you.
Well said Chib.Its like that guy who kept his Fathers title deeds fearing that he will sell the house.He worked hard for it and he might well sweat for one himself.At the age of 53 the guy want to grab his fathers house.First you want to adjust the retirement age to 65 because you don’t want to pay the benefits on time.Who do you think you are cheating with your budget over run?
Nice one! Who should decide what I do with my money other than my self?
good point!! you can do anything with our hard earned money, its nobody`s problem but your own!!!
Shamenda, where is that lady who gave you multiple choice question? she thought she will get support, ma rubish!
By the way shememba failed that Nawakwi exam… So he cant progress to grade zeze
Am very happy for the government to reform public pension scheme and infact it has been overdue. Let also the government to review the monthly payments to suit the current normal living wage.
Shamenda let leaders of opposition parties apply checks and balances. You were very vocal when you were not a minister but now, you are set back. You are fond of applying labour theories which we ‘cheap’ Zambians do not understand. We.. ooh niza ku ulula ku chidona wenzo nituma kamdala iwe …careful.
Shamenda doesn’t understand a razor, soap, dress code and multiple choice questions.
Shamenda, your are either Insane or mad or both. who do you think you can fool around? I agree with Chib and president Hichilema, @Your comment ”
You want to cheat that Zambians have their retirement dues in a quick. When infact, its government which was been defaulting in payment, than waiting for years to get their gratuities. Where will this quick money come from, when it is not there now? You think we are Kindergarten kids, You…MPS you pay yourselves, and never wait, and you want to hold retirees pension and pay them peanuts so that they die without actually enjoying their money? Article 124 of the constitution is very clear, do not think we do not know. What President Hichilema wrote is correct, First of all, you are the one misleading people, but sorry we shall not Listen to…
You must learn to lend your ear than talking for the sake of doing so. HH is right.Pay the people their dues when They retire before that money goes to bye elections. That move is not commendable as people would want to build houses but how do They go about if paid in bits and pieces. Learn to listen to what the people want.
Disrespectful Shamenda and a bad reflection on GRZ .You’re supposed to do and say things in a manner that brings good repute,respect and more faith in our govt. If i were you i’d tell HH to hush (shutup sounds grossly rude)
PF is grossly rude.
Shamenda you have become useless yourself and shut up with the amount of greed in government no one in their right mind will entrust their pensions to greedy politicians, I’m better off getting all my money than having to wait for monthly peanuts with no guarantee . If your government is everyday defaulting, some farmers ,civil servants ,suppliers still waiting for pay. What guarantee penioneers will get paid every month when the country is almost broke
Let us go for a referendum. Let the people talk. give us a platform to express ourselves. mi hope Shamenda and his fellows will also be subjected to the same
Let the owners of the money decide on their money and not somebody else. How does one plan for a good business if you start to receive little by little? This does not make sense to me.
shamenda, even your brain has grown white hair rendering it moribund. some things you do not need rocket science to comprehend. simply give the retirees their lumpsum. did they solicit for piece meal payments? the answer is NO, so why do you want to decide for adults who can decide for themselves? fimo ifintu ine filampapusha mwe. yaaba! these 1diots we call leaders!
Shamenda got his Lumpsum and invested in politics.
Fair enough HH must seek public audience with Shamenda through a LIVE DEBATE at which we should have an open line for the public to contribute! HH Vs. Shamenda, Hikaumba & Public Service Mgt Div (PSMD) Director!
It is in fact shamenda who should shut his gob and shave around it because he and his boss UKWA have lied and misled the nation into believing that government does have money in reserve when they have carelessly spent it all on their health tourism to India , bloated government families and friends in foreign services and unplanned projects. Judge Chakopa is no exception to their list of senseless expenditure.
Why can Shamenda not educate Kabimba’s mother in-law to come back from Botswana so that she can join his list people he wants to abuse?
HH is a Management Consultant. A very qualified one for that matter. He understands Pension Schemes far much better than some form 3 in the name of Shamenda. Gvt always implores Opp political parties to critisize constructively and HH is has done just that.
The social security schemes in Zambia is f.uckd up. The lump sum is meagre. That is why all OLD people (Nkotes or Nfitis or Indoshis) run to politics.
The issue here is what is you business with what I do with my money which I was contributing. This reform is simply a method of running away from paying the dues to people that had been contributing for years. Pay people what you owe them. Imagine, the new reforms will entail that if you were earning a salary of K5m but your pension is K1bn; You will be paid a third of the initial money K333m and a supposed salary of K2m. This is pure theft
Why dont you engage the masses when coming up with decisions that involve there hard earned money. you can’t just jump to a conclusion over my money without talking to me, that is treasonable.
You have taken over Sakeni nosense. will send you to india as well and bye election will follow
Shamenda is aThi…f hr stole Katele’s piece of land where he’s building a house in Lusaka. Where is ZP?
PF ministers now think they have the monopoly of knowledge.There is a difference between a pension and a salary.You can not and you wont decide how people use they pension.Is this the way you will get your gratuity as an MP?You are indeed a failed project ba PF.
Why should government monitor how i spend my pension. Pension is another way of saving, so why pay in dribbs and drabbs. Give the cilvil servants their lumpsum amounts at 55 years!
I googled for the definition of the word “pension”. Among several definitions, I picked up this one; “A regular payment made during a person’s retirement from an investment fund to which that person or their employer has contributed…”. When you underline the word “regular”, my conclusion is that Bwana Shamenda has the correct interpretation of what a pension ought to be. Any benefits after retirement paid as lump sum cash should not be referred to as a “pension”, if they will not be regularly paid over a period. We need to find another word for it. Gratuity can not be used in this respect because the benefits are not gratuitous considering the employees contributed. I am not dealing with the morality of the reform. Let us understand the issue first and we will debate…
If shamenda and his fellow rascals in pf reform the pension and increase the retirement age, then kuya bebele in 2016. The real battle starts now.
If you took time to read the blog from Rising Star, it would have been of help to you a great deal. Do not rush into hate speech. You sound angry, well I will tell you this, anger resides where there is no wisdom!
I think the best the Government can do is provide two options i.e; for each person to decide either to get their money at once or be given on a monthly basis. They should not play around with my life’s sweat. I should decide how i want to spend it. People are not the same in terms of personal finance management. Responsible people should not suffer at the expense on irresponsible f00ls.
A change of retirement age and pension payment has major repercussions on government policy and the lives of citizens and should, therefore, be handled with great care and caution. Merely making statements in the press does not help either party. As things stand, the best way forward is a REFERENDUM. It will give the people a chance to decide after they’ve listened to all the pros and cons. Looks like government has become so inefficient. Even if the pension was reduced to K100 per month, the’ d still fail to pay.
True. The problem with the retirement age is that once moved up, it is almost impossible to lower it because of the many people that would suddenly become eligible for payments hence liquidating all govt coffers at once. Now what wrong have these guys seen in the current system? I think they should learn to consult the affected instead of making unilateral decisions whose consequencies are far reaching.
Mr Shamenda, its not only Shamenda who is ignorant, its the majority of Zambian workers. I read somewhere on this site that eveb teachers in SP have rejected the move. So even them they must shut up?
Just explain to all over us Bwana!
Shamenda, me I will need my money upon retirement. I do not want to be paid in peace meal. Period!!!!!! If I want to use my money to go to polo grill every Friday that’s my money and no one should dictate how I should use the money.
Kwati ni “piece work” banee. Pension ibe kwati ni dyonko sure. awe ba minister twakana. twali boomba, tupeni ichesu. Imagine wa boomba, only to die the 2nd month after retirement? Meaning ba new hubby to your widow, with be chopping both, double tobela…your money and your widow…..agony batata..lord have mercy.
@UPND you u think u can change our stance,thats why ukuteka igombe tababa normal because of fisushi,u a just opposing everything ba kolwenise.
Civil Servants….This is the time to rewrite your living wills to ensure that your widow does not remarry as the new hubby will be chopping both your widow and money. Double tobela…worst dream…double agony. If have the choice rewrite your living will or vote wisely 2016. Have nice day guys. twaingila noomba elo bwacha mu diaspora. Ba shimpundu……lebeni will imbi….!
All those supporting the move of non payment of the pension are *****s of the same camp. U don’t just dream about national issues but u need to engage the stake holders for serious debate. This Govt is broke to the bone marrow that is why it has resorted into avoiding its responsibilities. On this one Govt will fall and these morons in power should not say they not warned
@MP, ati “double tobela on the pension and on the widow”! Sumvela iwe! Kiki kikiki!
fAckson should be told not to play with our lives hereafter. I want my lumpsum payment so that I can put up a structure for retirement and my monthly payments for day-to-day sustenance. We should not allow PoorFinishers Govt. to steal our pension monies for their appeasement. Come 2016 No! Change!
Sgt Gunduzani, Mwami it is what it is. Abantu taba tina, bala pela ifumu widow , yet bwali mwane ifyo hubby achulile nokuluwala prior to his death. Elpo nishi tapali na motivating factor besides ba widow. Now if we had to factor in pension, ya panono panono ni double tobela….kuti kwa umuntu naumbi.
@rising Star. I think you are a rising darkness. When someone works until 55 years and served in the govt for more than 20 years, he duly in tittled to the lumpsum. Why. 33% of that money is his deducted from his salary every months and 67% added from his employers. In addition, these persons are in tittle to about 80% of there last salary which they are now paid regular until the they die or the last born attends 18 years of age.
The govt should just increase these regulars moneys instead of paying 200/month.
In fact that is PF promised.
So since PF is teaching us KAPOYA language.Iwe rising star shut-up
Inde Bwana!
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This OLD RUG Shamenda does not understand anything to do with Finance and finance products. The other day he was wrestling with Budget fundamentals even giving totally misleading pronouncemnts.
Today again he is up to some mischief with Pensions! I dont know which world he is refering to where lumpsums have been abolished! Let Shamenda name one country in the world which has no pension lumpsums?
Actually, why should the PF Govt patronise and insult the inteligence of its citizenry by saying that they would spend lumpsums at once and run out money! It’s their money and they can spend it as they please….what’s Shamenda’s business with retirees money? They are not his kids and he and his PF Govt should know that Zambia is not a nuny state!! This sick OLD MAN has no shame!!
No derogatory remarks! no hunky punky just plain old English in the Queens register and I am still being moderated. Well get on with it and get my fcuking post on since that’s vibe you understand. Blimey!
Same here….. i wonder what drugs they are high on.
Shamenda or Hameenda used very crude and unpalatable language,HH does not need lessons from a nicompoop like hameenda,HH is there to speak for the voiceless,no matter how few they are.
General.. and Sgt Gunduzani..are my kinda guys. Then we got our Ndobo.. hitting it straight on the head – big up and please don’t soften unless they change.. Other big players are Cindy..Enka.. Yamba Sq and poor Saulosi..– we love u guys but lately you have gone disillusioned with the way things are going on the boat. There are many more other prominent and big hitting players whom I can’t remember at the mo and others like me who like a lot of banter as I think God left Africa a long time ago and may be I don’t wanna go back there any more and it ain’t sad.
General.. and Sgt Gunduzani..are my kinda guys. Then we got our Ndobo.. telling it the way it is – big up and please don’t soften up unless they change.. Other big players are Cindy..Enka.. Yamba Sq and poor Saulosi..– we love u guys but lately you seem have gone disillusioned with the way things are going on the boat. Hold on tight as the boat is heading towards the thunderous steep side of the might Zambezi river and crocks await. There are many more other prominent and big hitting players whom I can’t remember at the mo and others like me who like a lot of banter as I think God left Africa a long time ago and may be I don’t wanna go back there any more and it ain’t sad.
I bloody give up…if you see multi posts it wasn’t me!
Who does that?!! I urge all government workers to work in instalments as well, divide your working hours, i guess there will be no problem as long as the total amount is exausted!
Did Grandpa pass his multiple choice test? i want to see the results.
The moron attempted only 1 question the rest he he could not remember and he got it wrong. Otherwise the Grandpa failed
Don’t react like that bwana minister! Explain the plot of yo pension reform in which ways will it be better than the current? Don’t jst attack HH who is after all doing his job very well.
disaster Shamenda trying to justify a disaster decision just like Kambwili was defending the Gabon national heroes disaster stadium, let this govt for once be serious with their decisions we are quickly getting fade up!
HH is right Shamenda and your PF you are crooks
Fackson Shamenda is well advised to hold a Mini-Indaba with Daniel Munkombwe, ZNBC Director-General, Hampunda and some known selected Chiefs in Livingstone, Mazabuka, Namwala and Sinazongwe. Facts that will be unveiled after some honest soul-searching and re-examination of their greed for money, then Shambenda may learn to sober-up.
This message should also be extended to Lameck Mangani, Lucas Phiri, David Phiri (of Mkaika) and Lungu of Msanzala in Eastern Province.
The camps revolving around GBM-Nsanda vs Kabimba-Mmembe-Masebo have ushered in a strange phenomenon that has no mechanism to develop Southern and Eastern provinces.