I was disheartened to read the Sunday Post Newspaper editorial of 20th October 2013 which falsely claimed that “Bemba tribalism” is at the core of demands by ruling Patriotic Front (PF) members to have embattled Secretary General Hon. Wynter Kabimba disciplined based on petitions from all 10 provinces and 2 members of the Central Committee.
Strangely, the Post Newspaper is parroting the same divisive language of “tribal clique” and “corrupt PF Cabinet ministers” used by Kabimba and Vice President Guy Scott which have badly dented the image of PF and government.
It is also deeply regrettable that the Post Newspaper chose to discredit a great leader, freedom fighter and former Republican Vice President late Simon Mwansa Kapwepwe (MHSRIP) through their futile attempts to defend and promote their friends Guy Scott and Wynter Kabimba.
The Post’s revisionist view that late Simon Kapwepwe was popularly elected as UNIP and Republican Vice President only by Bembas only is both factually and historically incorrect, unless they are implying that UNIP was a “Bembas only” party – ask Dr. Kenneth Kaunda and other freedom fighters like Simon Zukas!
In a democratic dispensation, unlike the one party State Kaunda imposed on Zambia later on, late Simon Kapwepwe and Harry Mwaanga Nkumbula would both probably have been freely elected President of Zambia if they had been allowed to exercise their God-given right!
[pullquote]Alexander Chikwanda again refuted these senseless allegations by the Post and their preferred PF leaders stating that Wynter Kabimba is both Bemba and Sala by parentage and “…how can we work against our own?” [/pullquote]
Paradoxically, the Post’s false and misguided “Bemba tribalism” claims also echoed by their surrogates like Fr. Luonde came on the same day that Kabwata MP Hon. Given Lubinda published a lengthy letter in the Sunday Mail of 20th October 2013 explaining how Wynter Kabimba labeled false accusations against him to hound him out of PF, with only Sylvia Masebo being the key witness, and how Wynter served both as Accuser and Judge in his case.
Yet, in spite of the obvious miscarriage of natural justice against him by Kabimba’s devious schemes, Lubinda never cried wolf by claiming that his persecution was tribal or racial in nature, and Post Newspaper never stood behind him.
Oddly, Wynter and the Post even supported PF cadres like Kabwata PF Constituency chairman Silubanje and others who demonstrated against Lubinda claiming they were exercising their democratic rights!
The Sunday Mail of this same date quotes Home Affairs Minister and PF Disciplinary Committee chairman Hon. Edgar Lungu as challenging Scott and Kabimba to excuse themselves from the PF if they felt it was tribal or corrupt, saying“…you can’t hunt with fox and play with rabbits!”
In the Sunday Nation on the same day Finance Minister Hon. Alexander Chikwanda again refuted these senseless allegations by the Post and their preferred PF leaders stating that Wynter Kabimba is both Bemba and Sala by parentage and “…how can we work against our own?”
When people feel politically pressured and weak due to their lack of genuine popular mass support and base, they resort to “playing victim” employing tactics like tribalism, clanism, racism etc. Indeed “Uwawa tabula kabepesho” (he who has fallen lacks no excuse!).
Instead of defending themselves against their accusers and rallying people to their side, the Post and their preferred PF leaders, like desperate drowning men, are trying to pull everyone down with them to destruction due to their ulterior motives – Ukufilila munsenga!
[pullquote]When people feel politically pressured and weak due to their lack of genuine popular mass support and base, they resort to “playing victim” employing tactics like tribalism, clanism, racism etc.[/pullquote]
Is the Post telling us that Wynter’s accusers, Central Committee members like Hon. Jean Kapata (North Western province)and Onat Kamayoyo (Western province) all Bemba? Is PF Deputy SG Bridget Atanga, who expelled Wynter Kabimba’s person Situula Sikwindi Bemba? Is Hon. Given Lubinda Bemba?
Is Hon. Edgar Lungu Bemba? What other excuses, apart from feeble accusations of “Bemba tribalism”, do the Post Newspaper, Guy Scott and Wynter Kabimba have?
Zambians should not forget that the Post Newspaper’s crusade as spokespersons for Wynter Kabimba and Guy Scott is only for self-preservation and to protect their narrow “interests.”Surprisingly, this same newspaper kept insulting President Sata as a “Bemba tribalist” while in opposition, while Sylvia Masebo was insulting Mr. Sata even as late as 2 years ago! Talk about political opportunism! They now claim in their editorials to be President Sata’s greatest praise singers.
[pullquote]One would also wonder why a so-called “private” newspaper like the Post is so bitter and fully immersed in PF’s intra-party partisan wrangles[/pullquote]
The Post newspaper always maliciously labels those who stand against their peculiar agenda “Tribalists” or “Corrupt” – they labeled late President Chiluba, who actually picked Levy Mwanawasa over his fellow tribespersons Emmanuel Kasonde and Michael Sata to succeed him as President, a tribalist.
And they also called late UPND leader Anderson Mazoka and former President Rupiah Banda “tribalists.” One would also wonder why a so-called “private” newspaper like the Post is so bitter and fully immersed in PF’s intra-party partisan wrangles, thus losing all sense of objectivity and independence. Can they tell the nation if they are an appendage of the PF which serves the interests of “their chosen leaders?”
I urge all well-meaning patriotic Zambians to condemn in the strongest terms possible the Post Newspaper’s careless and dangerous “Bemba Tribalism” mantra which can divide the country and plunge it into untold chaos like what happened in countries like Kenya, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Somalia, Rwanda, Nigeria, Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, etc. This self-serving newspaper’s narrow and “partisan” agenda is only for self-preservation at the expense of party and national unity.
CHIBASHE SICHONE
CONCERNED CITIZEN
Now that the POST has written about Bemba Tribalism, it has become a bad paper. When it wrote about Tonga Tribalism you were dancing all over, Feel the salt you Tribalism. Your lenghty article does not convince anybody that you are not tribalism. Check the government appointments.
Fred mmembe is a tribalist himself who tries to make other people look evil tribalist and himself a holy saint!!!
have you understood the article?
All Zambians are tribalist, including myself. So stop accusing each other.
James, I suggest you read the article again. The writer has hit the nail on it’s head. The biggest threat to Zambia’s democracy is Membe. The man has no objectivity in his reporting. It is clear that the man is pursuing a personal agenda motivated by greedy. Membe has endorsed Wynter for personal interests.
All Zambians are tribalist, including myself. So stop accusing each other. The Post newspaper is the most useless paper I have ever read in my life.
kikikiki
Well guys, the issue of tribalism is a thorny one. Much as the perpetrators may deny it vigorously, the fact is it exists. I have taken a closer look of all the people Sata has appointed to run various government bodies within and out side the country. The evidence is overwhelmingly alarming because it is a fact that 85% of all political appointees under PF are Bembas or belong tribes who collectively call themselves Bembas.
I have no problem with the appointment of ministers because the majority of PF MPs are Bembas. But I am deeply concerned about the appointment by the president of nearly 87% of Bembas to head Parastals and foreign missions abroad . I belive these are the areas where the president could have exercised his discretion to appoint qualified people from other tribes.
While its reasonable to suggest that every tribe has tribal elements there are some tribes in our country that feel no shame in propagating and perpetuating tribalism.
I personally disagreed with most of the said editorial content except one:
Bembas are among the most accommodating tribes in the land. You are more likely to feel comfortable as a non-bemba living in a bemba land than a bemba being accommodated in non-bemba speaking lands of our country.
This is a hard fact that cannot be taken away from the bemba tribe
This propaganda is too crude to convince even a grade 7 pupil a bwana.
That said I must emphasise that its not all doom and gloom as the president still has the discretionary powers to change things and erase this tribal perception about the PF.
Going forward I would like to see deliberate steps taken to ensure that no tribes are marginalised in the realms of power if Zambia is to maintain its position as the epitome of peaceful multi-tribal country.
Legislation needs to enacted to criminalise tribalism once all the elements of tribalism are clearly identified and defined. If we have laws against racism why not laws against tribalism? Tribalism and racism both have the same evil dimensions too difficult to tear apart.
I believe all things are people if we just keep ours eye on the ball. We will truimph over tribalism PF or not. Viva Zambia!!!!!!!
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@ Gen
I agree with most of what you have said. I have a lot Bemba friends ,both women and men. Co-existence is not that much of an issue amongst all the tribes in Zambia. But the fact you have to accept is that quiet a few Bembas feel less integrated in other tribal communities because they don’t bother to learn other people’s languages or accept their culture. Instead some are fond of trashing other tribes’s languages and cultures. This totally a wrong attitude. Every Zambian should be encouraged to learn to speak at least five Zambian languages like me.
Over all the problem exists on the political front where you hear Sata the whole president plainly promoting tribalism and nepotism by his “wako ni wako” mantra.
Sata should be the forefront to cultivate a non divisive moral…
#1.4, winter kabumba and gbm are both not presidential material. Belatusebanya
I agree that Fred Mmembe is evil and tribalist. I also believe that Sata and PF are the most tribalistic government in the history of Zambia. The facts are undeniable. We now learn that even Wynter Kabimba is Bemba, that increases the tally of Bemba’s in Sata’s government to 90%. What find unfortunate about this article is that the author fails to defend UPND against Mmembe’s attacks of tribalism in the same article. He can defend Kapwepwe his fellow Bemba but refuses to defend UPND against this lable. Bembas have always attached Lozi’s as tribalists, but when they started Tonga’s in that smear, thats when they met resistance which has exposed them as tribalists. There some good Bembas but they also need to speak up and defend tongas and lozis against this smear tactic of Sata’s…
“When people feel politically pressured and weak due to their lack of genuine popular mass support and base, they resort to “playing victim” employing tactics like tribalism, clanism, racism etc. Indeed “Uwawa tabula kabepesho” (he who has fallen lacks no excuse!)”
when the same tactics where used on HH and UPND everyone apart from a few where happy saying Tongaz will just bring COWS in the State house and that as a tribe Tongaz I mean.
UPND is still battling on this issue that has been used against it by people who fail to judge a person as a separate entity from his/her tribe. I wish “some” Bembaz had realised this.
Nobody will start a party minus being a member of one of the 72 tribes we have in Zambia.
kalunda can form a party, that is not being tribal.
Kaonde aslo
Lala…
Interesting to read this comment, as we can see this paper ushered in the PF under the influence that Banda was a Malawian and the most Corrupt leader what is wrong for the opinon that Sata has been the most nepotistis and tribal in his cabinet as claimed by the Post based on his cabinet compsition and foreign services appointees.
The object of the outcry for many Zambian is inclusive Government, and the fulfillment of the needs to employment, and a better life employment for all Zambians not only cadres as is said now. Or disempoering Zambian by pouching members of the oppositions to steal monies through the bye-elections and appointments.
Yaaaa! Well articulated clap,clap,clap,clap. But what Mmembe must know is that his time is over!’ Nomba pipo have unveiled his evil mask and know who he is exactly, at least I do. He must just prepare to pay DBZ or will be jailed. Mark my words.
Well written article, I’m impressed. I’m just thinking as to whether the post news paper honestly is able to read the minds of Zambians, especially now. Their open support of Mr Kabimba leaves one wandering as to whether these are journalists, I mean, people who have gone through courses for the job they have chosen.
I’m quite disappointed especially with a paper I held in high esteem.
Nice piece of writing.I can`t agree more.
This article makes a lot of sense. Many Zambians condemned Post Newspaper’s Tribal agenda against the Tongas to the extent of voting for Mazoka beyond Southern Province. Mazoka was voted for in most places of Northern Province. I am neither a Bemba or Tonga- I am soli but this I know for a fact. We must stop this nonsense by the Post Newspaper. Good analysis Chibashe
It is factually not true, in fact it is patently false that Nothern Province voted for Mazoka. That is a lie and you know it. Northern and Luapula provinces where the only provinces that did not vote for Mazoka. If they had not voted along tribal lines, Mazoka would have won by a bigger margin that would have been rig proof. We know this trick by Bembas who are tribalist. They always say they liked Mazoka and hate HH when the truth is that they never voted for Mazoka. It was Mmembe who destroyed Mazoka. He assigned hit men like Ka George Chella and Beavan Salusaki to destroy him using the post. We remember, we dont forget.
Luapulans and Northerners never voted for Mazoka nor UPND. Stop creating your own reality!
Never met a more ignorant Soli! Bembas never vote for non-Bembas period. And must that not be called tribalism?
Past newspaper.
Was doing a research on white collar crime reporting and was shocked at finding facts of court indictments reported as crimes. No objectivity or responsible investigative reporting at all. I thought an independent home paper would offer for exciting reading and citations……….sad
When mwanawasa died Sata wrote a letter of reconciliation to Mmembee. We need to find out what were terms and conditions for reconciliation.
Very good question. The Post only started to cover and support Sata after he agreed certain terms (including an apology?) which to date we do not really know. Could these be the terms that Sata need not go against? I wish I were a fly on the wall when this agreement was reached. It seems to lie at the centre of the current PF wrangles.
heheheheh! I would urge you ask ba shilubemba
From Post to Past. The end!!!
The PF paper has become very narrow minded. Form the paper that digs dip to The paper that dances with the PF. – shame . They are misguided by their illusion that they direct the political agenda of the country .
This song of TRIBALISM is only perpetuated by The POST to suit their Agenda…How come they never saw this tribalism in PF until Wynter is humiliated? They hated HH and also campaigned similarly.. Zambians MUST wake up and refuse to be led by the POST. They MUST INSTEAD pay that 16bn they owe.
Please can someone sue Mmembe and the post for ‘seditious intentions likely to cause a breach of peace’ amongst zambians. Enough about tribalism the world is now a global village allowing us to co-exist without boundaries.
Some Bembaz have done that without feeling for the Tongaz when the same was on the Tongaz and other tribes.
“Unless you marry a Bemba, as a Tonga you will never be a president”. a MINISTER SAID.
Bloggers have been writting about it,” Tongaz wil never be presidents.” Why u “some” Bembaz marginalising others.
Sata himself said HH and his Tribal and Provincial party.
Truly I love Bembaz because 90% of my friends a Bembaz but there a “some” Bembaz who condone such vices like Tribe
You are only trying to divert the attention from the subject matter. Bemba tribalism is ugly and real.
M’membe is extremely dangerous, he will set this house called Zambia on fire. He has to be stopped, he’s no longer useful.
Totally agree. He has a very powerful tool to use and turn us against each other. Mind you, proving “you said , he said” is one complicated business.
You are 2020% correct; one man can do untold harm to a nation. Ask anyone from Zimbabwe (Sata’s no 1 friend Mugabe), Rwanda, Libya (Gaddafi), Iraq (Saddam), Afganistan (Talibam cum Osama) etc. Cage Mumembe NOW!!!! I hate tribalists. We are thoroughly inter-married; Lozi to Bemba, Ngoni to Sala, Lala to Kaonde etc. Stop the PAST’s Mumembe!!!
Is this the first time we are hearing about Bemba tribalism esp. in the PF? In this case, we know that a Bemba Cartel want to hold the country at ransom because of their business deal. I know it is a fight for survival but it has become evident to all that PF has a tribal leadership. I want to explain that Kabimba is not clean himself but the way he is being haunted shows that there is a motive behind. This fight has not just started today, it started when Kabimba and GBM started exposing each other on their deals; now we are entering a grand finale. But casualties will be many as we will hear of the hidden secrets. The Post is arming itself and the drama has just began; more popcorn please!
Is this the first time we are hearing about Bemba tribalism esp. in the PF? In this case, we know that a Bemba Cartel want to hold the country at ransom because of their business deal. I know it is a fight for survival but it has become evident to all that PF has a tribal leadership. I want to explain that Kabimba is not clean himself but the way he is being haunted shows that there is a motive behind. This fight has not just started today, it started when Kabimba and GBM started exposing each other on their deals; now we are entering a grand finale. But casualties will be many as we will hear of the hidden secrets. The Post is arming itself and the drama has just began; more popcorn please!
Buying news paper was automatic its was the post but nt anymore.daily mail is making a lot more sense especially their balanced reporting in politics and sport.never the past newspaper.Winter is off balance for now, sorry m’membe.
i bought my last post toilet paper on 20th oct 2013, am sure bembas know the reason why i bought zambia daily mail today. i know am addicted to the post but i’ll go for rehab asap…… you cant hunt with fox and play with rabbits… no
@Chinyama,
You are very right. Any citizen should stop buying The Post Newspaper. M’membe is a dangerous man who wants to turn this country into chaos. Let us all repel his evil scheme. Is it that HEMCS has not touched the issue of and talked about the DBZ loan that is the main reason now Fred is coming out like this? Fred is a dangerous criminal who needs to be caged before he puts this country on fire.
Are there people that believe the hogwash in that petty gaypaper?
Fools stoking the embers of tribal wars.Kenya and Rwanda here comes amazambians foolishly ignoring your past bloody examples.
My appeal to my Bemba brothers/sisters is not to be defensive but review their actions as well. They were/are the majority of those pointing an accusing finger at Tongas and Lozis to be tribalists and yet the former are the worst. When PF won non Bembas could not talk in offices and were like ophans in their own country. Learn to support others & not only soliciting support from others when in need
Point well made.
At least Mmembe and the Post newspaper have the guts to turn the lights on Bemba tribalism and expose it to the public. Any wonder that Bembas are now crying foul and pointing their fingers at this guy Mmembe, painting him as ‘dangerous to Zambia’! Bembas are never ashamed of their tribalism. Those who speak against it are the ones they portray as ‘tribalists’ not themselves.
It is TRUE that BEMBAS are the waste TRIBALISTS in Zambia. They are also very DULL I D I O T S that can learn other languages. President Sata has also exhibited the worst tribalism. For example ALL THE PARASTATAL CHIEFS THAT WERE NOT BEMBA LOST THEIR JOBS WHEN HE CAME INTO POWER. ALL FOREIGN MISSIONS THAT WERE NOT HEADED BY BEMBAS WERE REPLACED BY BEMBAS. IF WERE HAD DOGS TO IN SOME POSITIONS THEY TOO COULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED BY BEMBAS.
LOOK AT ZESCO AND ZAMTEL…THE TOP 10 POSITIONS ARE ALL HELD BY BEMBA, I BELIVE EVEN MEETINGS ARE NOW JUST DISCUSSED IN BEMBA…I BELIEVE EVEN CABINET MEETINGS ARE NOW DISCUSSED IN BEMBA. WHAT A COUNTRY? I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BORN IN LEBANON OR IRAQ, MAY BE I SHOULD HAVE DIED AT LEAST
iwe? u cant even spell? its ‘worst’ not ‘waste’
This is correct. The Rural Electrification Authority (REA) advertised for the position of CEO. It was already decided by the Minister and Prof. Mwenechanya the Chairman to recruit Geoffrey Musonda as CEO. Although interviews were conducted, there were just a smoke screen. A decision had already been made to recruit Musonda who had a degree in Mechanical Engineering but the advert required an Electrical Engineer. Musonda was right name for obvious reasons. There are many other parastatal jobs that have been given to Bembas
How do you accuse Bembas to be Tribalists are they your neighbours. if you are Tonga Choma and Kasama or Mongu and Kasama if you are Lozi. We can not fight back kwa bulozi ki kwa hule, lubata ku ina fela mwa Kasama. you can sit there in Choma and accuse us of Tribalism. Nga nshishibe ululimi lobe bushe mulandu. Undipe ngombe makumi yobilo if you want me to learn your language. I belong to my tribe and you belong to yours but you are not my enemy. I do not know you. Please note that you can not be appointed in a PF cabinet if you are not a member. even if you are Bemba, Tonga Lozi or any other TRibe.
It is TRUE that BEMBAS are the waste TRIBALISTS in Zambia. They are also very DULL I D I O T S that canT learn other languages. President Sata has also exhibited the worst tribalism. For example ALL THE PARASTATAL CHIEFS THAT WERE NOT BEMBA LOST THEIR JOBS WHEN HE CAME INTO POWER. ALL FOREIGN MISSIONS THAT WERE NOT HEADED BY BEMBAS WERE REPLACED BY BEMBAS. IF WE HAD DOGS IN SOME POSITIONS, BEMBA SHOULD HAVE TAKEN OVER OR DOGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED BY BEMBAS.
LOOK AT ZESCO AND ZAMTEL…THE TOP 10 POSITIONS ARE ALL HELD BY BEMBAS, I BELIVE EVEN MEETINGS ARE NOW JUST DISCUSSED IN BEMBA…I BELIEVE EVEN CABINET MEETINGS ARE NOW DISCUSSED IN BEMBA. WHAT A COUNTRY? I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BORN IN LEBANON OR IRAQ, MAY BE I SHOULD HAVE DIED AT LEAST BY NOW
If Bembas were tribal, Nevers Mumba, Chipimo, Mulongoti, Cosmo Mumba, Mutati etc would have joined PF. How many people are leaders of Political parties from other provinces. You know the answer and reasons to consolidate chances of your own winning. Let us work together as a Nation. Remember God grants leadership Roman 13:1
This is really cheap thinking. look at the cabinet of President Sata, the Parastatals, foreign missions…and just even pet jobs. 99.5% are taken by Bembas. See through the pillars and look beyond the Bemba spheres and you see that the comment in the Post is just but the TRUE reflection of things on the GROUND. Donot get angry, but quietly think deeply with your eyes closed and you will see some serious truth.
Why do people try and defend the indefensible with very poor reasoning? Very few bembas will make the effort to learn or speak other Zambian language.
Memmbe has been humble with his attack on bemba tribalism. i totally agree with him, except on one part, where he says sata is not tribal. this is not true. as a matter of fact, this man is the most tribal president we have ever had, he has prmoted regionalism and we are headed for a head-bat.
look, after sata swore in his cabinet, mmembe openly attacked him and said he had selected a cabinet with regional and nepotistic nature.
this has gone on unabated and now all his stooges are employing and promoting only their bemba people.
so if you think memmbe is wrong, i guess it is you who is wrong and you feel offended that your scheme has been exposed.
Well written article. In fact the post is distorting facts. President Sata is the one who is a tribalist. No those around him. Those around him are safeguarding their interests.
Why the post has not condemned tribal appointments by President Sata? This time the post will go down whether it likes it or not. It has entered too much into PF politics.
It wants Politicians who dance to their tune and if do not agree with them bring the tribal element.
The real problem and person fighting SataN is Guy Scott using Kabimba. He may even the cause of a Civil War in Zambia if we are nor careful!
White people think blacks are dull and Scott can use Kabimba to fight his brother SataN, and it will explaibed as black on black! Look at how whites tried to use Tshangarai to fight Robert Mugabe to the extent of demonising the nationalist Mugabe govt!
If Scott tells his white friends in the West that PF is corrupt and Tribalist, they will believe him and that will be the end of Zambia – and sanctions and hell will break loose! We should all watch that stupid white man Acott!
@Chilyata,
You are very right. Scott is a sell out.
I am dumbfounded to learn that there are actually some people who like Wynter Kabimba, really? The man’s character is repugnant enough to force his party members to want him out. He is arrogant, disrespectful, pompous and proud. The earlier the PF gets rid of this obnoxious weed the better. Forget about the excuse of tribalism, even if he was my tribesmate, I would still want him out.
Thanks
Get it right. Mmembe hates GBM to the core. The past newspaper can do anything for anyone in a disguised war against GBM (and the perception here is GBM vs Wynter). They (PN) will throw away all objectivity and professionalism. They would even ignore all negative consequences of their utterances. What a mess.
Anyhow, a fellow who fails to exculpate oneself but resorts to improvable accusations sounds like a guilty panting squirrel.
(1) This article is Emmanuel Mwamba’s product.
(2) All this time the Post has been writing about Tonga tribalism where were you? We never saw you write such useless long articles.
(3) When the post wrote about Lupiya Banda’s Mpuno tribal remarks where were you?
Now because the Post is writing about Bembas you start writing useless long articles. Go to hell.
Mmembe has stated that he is Bemba from a bemba royal family chief Nkula. This paper has spared no one in its crusade against tribalism. Why should it be an issue because it is Bembas being talked about.
The Post did a lot for PF to come into power hence their interests. Small minds like you think that the POST will close. NEVER. This time there is another group buying this paper to know what is going on.
Kavuyi my dear Kavuyi! Please check your blind loyalty to the Post. Check their consistency and loyalty to principles. If you do an honest assessment, you will discover that they are actually an embodiment of the word hypocrisy.
Now people know how it feels to be called tribal when only a few people may have this view. Tongas have suffered this tug for a long time now and nobody defended them other than themselves. Mazoka’s UPND was called tribal by Mmembe even before the party was officially launched. HH was called tribal just because one person made a tribal pronouncement. Now, Wynter says PF is tribal and without even asking Wynter who is specifically tribal, the Post says Bembas are tribal. The only thing I can say is this conclusion comes from the fact that PF cabinet and all quasi qovt positions are Bemba dominated. The most unfortunate thing is that Bembas celebrated when the Post wrote tribal articles against Tongas, even calling Tongas Bantustan. Now is turn for the Bembas to face this nosense, alone.
Concerned citizen or Concerned tribalist . Face facts and you will see what others are seeing .
Have ou read today’s POST newspaper paper. Front page is very interesting
A very nice picture of Mwenya Musenge while the people of Chimwemwe are languishing.
Can Emmanuel Mwamba report like that? NO. He is more interested in Wynter Kabimba than his misbehaving ministers. Watch out. Fred Mmembe is getting hot day by day.
Yes the post attacked Sata because he potrayed the picture of a tribalist until he changed. Inafct his change from the tribalistic outlook helped him win elections.
Kabimba does not have powers of charging Lubinda.Kabimba was instructed by Sata to charge Lubinda.This was not the first time Lubinda was being sidelined.Even when PF was still in opposition,Lubinda was sidelined for giving party information to UPND.Just go back into the achives.Is there tribalism in PF? YES! Infact,there are recordings of the dark corner meetings of the Bemba clique expressing there tribal nature.These triblists wanted Kabimba out even before he mentioned their tribalism and corruption,and the meeting of the so called 10 provinces was already organised.The Post didnt mention Kapwepwe as a member of Unip,but as the leader of UPP (a tribal party)
The author is bitter because the truth hurts and although he has a loud bark he lacks the bite.
Lets call a spade a spade – Sata just like his mentor Kapwepwe is the worst and shameless Bemba tribalist and nepotistic president Zambia has ever seen. Just look at his appointments and the inequitable distribution of developmental projects skewed to Muchinga at the expense of the rest of country. Productive provinces are being sucked and used to develop his village. Zambian must stop this nonsense by the rascal president. Zambia and its presidency has really gone to the dogs!
Wrong, Kapwepwe and Harry Nkumbula (MTSRIEP), were the best of friends and they tried to unite us very much.
I find bembas accommodating people from all tribes unlike some of our other tribes who call others “thieves” even when the person they are talking to is innocent.
As Zambians, let us not be controlled by the Post. We shall be misled. H.E. Sata has just done his job. If HH takes over tomorrow, the outcry will even be bigger!!!
What is on your friend today, tomorrow it will be on you. Nakulalolesha fye!!
@Akashambatwa: you are misinformed about the real Simon Kapwepwe and his UPP. The man was a tribalist to the core. He had a double-edged agenda. If at all he befriended Nkumbula, which he did, it was all for the purpose of enhancing Bemba supremacy. Bembas will form alliances with other tribes mainly for the purpose of getting the numbers to help them advance their cause. Kapwepwe was a master at that and Sata a true replica of him.
Post Newspaper is promoting hate among tribes. They say HH, UPND and Tongas of being are tribalists. I don’t know why Bembas see themselves as superior than other tribes. We need to end this bemba hegemony.
you are right; Bembas speak the loudest, and they think they are superior, yet the more they do that the more they expose themselves of lucking wisdom. Please Zambia is for all Zambian and we co-exist. Infact the moment our colleagues realise that all other tribes are equal the better for Zambia and together we can focus our energies towards economic prudence. The point is because the mining activities which have been the back borne of our economic growth is situated in the Bemba speaking territory, Bembas fell superior. But look at North Western Province today, the mine has shifted but there has been no pride by north-westerner to claim this or that, there road is in a deplorable condition and they are quiet.
Chaipila mbuzi ku luma galu! Look at all Sata’s appointments since he came into power, they are all 99% Kasai! The lumpen is not even ashamed to appoint his wife’s sister and also saturate our cabinet, judiciary and the diplomatic service with Chibesakundas and other Bembas. I am sick and tired of this stinking tribalism by the Northern Janjaweedos, this country should just be curved apart.
LOL
Bembas have never been tribal. They are just a majority and in democracy the majority wins.
Check your facts….the largest ethnic grouping in Zambia is the Bantu Botatwe grouping of Southern Province, Lusaka and part of Central Province
very tribe people like you.
A nation living in the past uncivilized ages.
This is what Zambia is turning out to be.
Other nations are moving forward and looking to advance in technology while we are looking to go back to wearing animal skins.
God save us Zambian’s, and may he in his mercy rid our nation of tribalist corruption.
For your information, 20th October 2013 marked the beginning of the “One World” week. Sadly, we are busy dissecting Zambia.
A nation living in the past uncivilized ages.
This is what Zambia is turning out to be.
Other nations are moving forward and looking to advance in technology while we are looking to go back to wearing animal skins.
God save us Zambian’s, and may he in his mercy rid our nation of tribalist corruption.
For your information, 20th October 2013 marked the beginning of the “One World” week. Sadly, we are busy dissecting Zambia. Why are we destroying what we built with our own sweat and blood? Because of our togetherness, we have been the most bold and confident people on the Continent. We have sheltered others in their times of grief.
Perhaps our Parliamentarians must legislate against Tribalism in a very clear way and make it a criminal offence.
Now PF supporters you have waken up, simply because Mumembe is not supporting your party. Yes Fred is a problem he is not objective especially to UPND and its leaders, but that is not a problem. Coming to the writer, take note that tribalism is alive and we are all looking from a distance where people are being giving very high profile jobs based on their region. Be objective too and ask your PF to stop being tribal.
CHIBASHE SICHONE
You are the i.d.i.o.t, not The POST. Only fool.i.s.h people deny the existence of tribalism in Zambia or that Wynter Kabimba’s troubles were not tribally motivated. Even children know that. What is important is to listen the advice that The POST offered, which is to ignore these tribalists. If we ignore the POST and pretend other tribes are happy, there will be civil war in Zambia. It is not Bembas who should determine whether the way they treated Kabimba is tribal or not—–ask Kabimba himself how he felt and that is exactly what he said it felt like he was being hunted because of his tribe. If Bembas in PF do not want to be labelled tribal, then they should play a fair game.
We need to have a an objective criteria on who is a tribalist: contempt of other people’s languages and culture and being hegemonic.
One of the objective criteria is appointment to govt jobs. Take for instance the Ministry of health. The Minister, Deputy, PS and Directors are from the same region. Do people from other provinces not have qualified representatives? It is time we Bembas looked at ourselves critically and embrace other tribes
THE TRUTH IS THE POST REFERS TO KAPWEPWE’S
WERE BEING PERSECUTED JUST BECAUSE
OF HIM BEING VICE PRESIDENT IE AFTER HE HAD DEFEATED
RUBEN KAMAGA FOR THE POSITION OF VICE PRESIDENT
IN UNIP.
SECONDLY, THERE’S NOWHERE I THE POST EDITORIAL
WHERE THE NAME OF CHILUBA HAS BEEN MENTIONED.
THIRDLY, YOU ARE NOT BEMBA.
FOURTHLY, THE HOME AFFAIRS MINISTER IS RIGHT
WHEN HE IMPLIES THAT PF IS SATA, GUY AND WYNTER.
FIFTHLY, WYNTER’S ADVERSARIES INCLUDING YOURSELF
KNOW THAT WINTER IS ONE OF THE 3 PILLARS OF PF.
IF HE GOES PF WILL SHALL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN.
FINALLY, THE NONSENSE ABOUT WYNTER STARTED
WHEN HE SHUT DOWN YO BRIGADIER MIYANDA
IN A FAIRLY CONTESTED DEBATE AROUND THE CHIEF JUSTICE
POSITION. THE PRESIDENT I AWARE!!
hy is it that Bembas only think highly of themselves, any normal person can just look at how many Bembas make up the cabinet, forign missions, defence and Parastatals.
Bembas wnat evrybody to speak their language even when they are in Mongu, Chipata, Solwezi, Monze. Why? Cause they think they are better then everyone else.
Shame on the writer.
Our brothers easily cry foul when things dont go their way.This issue will eat us if not properly handled.No tribe will claim to the most widely spoken and foolishily to be imposed on people to be a local official language.It should NEVER happen.Let people speak their languages freely.If forced on people this will be fertile groun for animost.All major appointments at sernior positions both at home and abroad you have to be either bemba or bemba speakin statistics are there, people are agrevived and choked with un fairness 2 Lozis or Tongas w should they speak their languages, they are said to speak chitundu, but 10 or so Bembas are allowed to speak their language, it is fine Why?Let us no be Ruanda.Bembas must accommodate other tribes.There are hard nosed tribalists amoung our bemba brot
Preach.
@Mundia Mundia
THE DEMOGRAPHY OF ZAMBIAN’S OR
IS IT PF CABINET IS PER CONSTITUENCY
OR PARTY’S ELECTORAL MAP.
CAMERON’S CABINET (UK) IS FULL PARTY FAITHFULS.
OBAMA’S CABINET (USA) IS MADE UP OF DEMOCRATS.
MIND WE ARE IN A DEMOCRACY…WINNER TAKES IT ALL.
So the winner should also be prepared to be called a tribalist!
Mailo chenze pamunzako, lelo chili pali iwe. Osalila, uLimbe unkale nanzelu.
What goes around comes around!
Bemba dominance in this country is real. It is most widely spoken language in Zambia. If you go to Livingstone, Chipata, Mongu, Solwezi, Zambezi, Kasama, Mbala, Mansa, Petauke, Lusaka. The most spoken language is Bemba. Even when you go to South Africa, Zimbabwe, Russia, China,Kenya, Lagos Washingtone , Lahore, Mumbai and Perth, te language most spoken by Zambians in those countries is Bemba. Iam not Bemba but Lunda but it is true Bemba,s are dominant.the truth is bemba tribe has no room for tribalism you can live among them with no problems at all. Ask those who have settled in bemba land and own piece of land if ever at any time have been discriminated in decision making? In some places of our country it is imposible for one to own land who comes fro other regions this the truth.Please…
PSE,LUSAKA TIMES DO A SMALL RESEARCH TO MY SATA, HH,MWAMBA,MILUPI,
WINAS MWANAWASA COMPANIES AND SEE WHO ARE EMPLOYEES,WHICH TRIBES THEY COME FROM IF YOU COME AND TELL US
And you think by attacking Bembas the voting pattern will change? First remove a log in your eye. Bembashave always accepted all the people.
preach that to you fellow tribalists. other tribes are more interactive and accommodating because they even strive to learn your language too. how many zambian languages do you know other than ichibemba iwe kolwe
Matipa well stated.
ba fikamba mukabusha inkondo mu Zambia, you talk about tribes too much. If you don’t like bembas vote them out mu 2016,its very near and will see if at all people will stop speaking bemba.
BEMBAS ARE HIGHLY TRIBAL. THIS IS A FACT. SATA IS one of the most tribal individuals that Zambia has. PF is a tribal government. Almost all CEOs in different parastatals and Government offices are Bembas. Most permanent secretaries and Cabinet ministers are Bembas. Infrastructural development and manpower development is currently over skewed towards Bembas and Bembaland. The Post Newspaper knows a lot of dirty which these Bembas have been playing on us over the years, and we want them to bring it on! Bring it out Post. These people have used you over the years and you know all their dirty. Wash that dirty linen in public now. We want to know how Bembas have been manipulating us for all these years. How come other Zambians from other tribes have not been given chance to become presidents
Ba TRUTH muli ba bufi.Zambia has been tekwad by a lenje/lamba (mwanawasasa), an easterner the greatest tribalist rupia. so what are u talking about. Its only lozis and tongas who have not tasted power because balipwalala
@OBATALA AND @SABA ASA
CRITERIA?
ZAMBIANS IN GENERAL ARE NOT TRIBALISTIC.
IT IS THE PARTIES IN THEIR CONSTITUTIONS AND
CAMPAIGN PRONOUNCEMENTS WHICH TRY TO TUNE
OUR REASONING TOWARDS OUR TRIBES.
FOR EXAMPLE, UPND PUBLICLY PROCLAIMED
THAT ONLY TONGAS CAN BE PRESIDENTS OF
THEIR PARTY – TO DATE NO ONE IN THE PARTY HIERARCHY
HAS EVER TRIED TO REPUDIATE THAT SILLY REASONING.
DO YOU RECKON ANY RIGHT THINKING NON TONGA
SPEAKING HUMAN CAN CAST A VOTE FOR THAT PARTY?
PF APPOINTMENTS WERE BASED ON CONSTITUENCY
ELECTION RESULTS AND BASED ON PRIVATE PARTY
FINANCIAL SUPPORT, PERIOD.
I am 100% Bemba and I have made up my mind to vote UPND in 2016 (convincing my whole family as well). I have no problem with the President appointing people who supported him to political jobs such as ministers, I however have a serious problem when technocrats and civil servants are appointed on tribal lines.
Zambians are easy to brainwash……just coin a phrase and see how it runs. Just like the taste of salt or the term “women empowerment” for instance. Fools have been appointed to higher offices all in the name of Gender and no one sees anything wrong with it. Leadership in Zambia is so cheap.
Good morning
I think it is very important to understand the article from the author’s viewpoint as a concerned citizen.
His main purpose for writing is to unravel the ulterior motives behind the paper and warn us about the destructive outcome of it’s divisive tendency of tribal-talk. If we are truly concerned about peace and harmony in our country, we should be thankful to him for making us aware.
Having said that, I think people should be very careful with this talk about tribalism. To me, our real problems in Zambia are not tribal but economical. I am convinced that If there were enough jobs, food and shelter for everyone, there would be no talk about tribes. The debate is not only retrogressive but it is like a time bomb. It must not be allowed to tick on.
walasa regardless of your tribe
WAS THE BEMBA VOTE IN 2011 TRIBAL?
NO.
THERE WERE ONY TWO PARTIES TO CHOOSE
FROM..
THE CORRUPT MMD AND PF.
THE TONGA UPND DID NOT AND HAVE
NEVER CAMPAIGNED IN THE BEMBA REGION TODATE.
THE SAME PATTERN WILL REPEAT ITSELF IN 2016.
BUOYED BY THE COMPLETION OF TARRING
THE PEDICAL ROAD, LUAPULA WILL DEFINITELY
VOTE PF AGAIN IN 2016.
useless small bemba. you are the onez bringing tribal issues
Bemba voting pattern since 1964 has always been tribal.
If Kapwepwe and Sata’s are not tribalists Then I do not know who qualifies to be called a tribalist. Sichone print the REASONS for Kapwepwe’s Resigning from Government and UNIP then. The problem with the Zambian brothers(NORTH) is they do not like history(- they say syakale or bya kundala). You will understand that the people promoting him either they belonged to his tribal party(UPP) or are mere tribal failures.
If Kapwepwe and Sata’s PF are not tribalists Then I do not know who qualifies to be called a tribalist. Sichone print the REASONS for Kapwepwe’s Resigning from Government and UNIP then. The problem with the Zambian brothers(NORTH) is they do not like history(- they say syakale or bya kundala). You will understand that the people promoting him either they belonged to his tribal party(UPP) or are mere tribal failures.
the pf is very tribal and they have to be stopped or else..a civil war will begin..this bemba thingy is so nauseating..atase..!
very very interesting surely a citizen of Zambia is a “ZAMBIAN”,a follower of Jesus Christ is a “CHRITIAN”,a guru at law is a “LAWYER” therefore any person born from a certain tribe and happly so qualifies to called a “TRIBALIST”………… wow we are all tribalists just like all these who are citizens of this great continent are “AFRICANS”.The point is people dont like to hear the truth…………………
Thanks Sichone for a well articulated article. I have said it many times that “tribalism” is only for those who want to serve their selfish interests, like the post newspapers and their friends.
It is wrong to pick on our defenseless Simon Mwansa Kapwepwe MHSRIP, a great son of this soil. Simon and late great son of Zambia, Harry Mwanga Nkumbula, MHSRIEP, were united when Kaunda turned against Simon. Harry provided a house to Simon in Libala after Kaunda chased him from the Government Vice Presidential House. This is how united and close our leaders tried to bury tribal differences. They must be turning in their graves to hear the post champion hate and tribalism 43 years later!!!! It is indeed shameful that a newspaper can write tribal remarks as if we are in the stone age!!!…
HE IS A FAGGOTS , A TRIBALIST ,TELL THIS GUY IN BWINJINFUMU TO FORM HIS OWN PARTY,NOT EVEN UR GRANDMA WILL VOTE 4 U
Kapwepwe formed UPP because he regarded KK as not Bemba and not promoting a Bemba agenda in UNIP. Obviously what came out was that he did that because KK had become a dictator, but that’s not the real truth.
Chiluba and Sata were ardent followers and students of Kapwepwe on tribalism, but people that regarded themselves as “pure” Bembas began to gang up against FTJ in MMD who they accused of side lining them. To fix this “pure” Bemba tribalism, FTJ anointed LPM as his successor.
Bemba clans are currently at war with each other(Sata & Nkandu Luo Vs bashilubemba) and they want to nationalize this war. The earlier Bemba came to terms with their naked tribalism, the better for them.
Amen!
Tribalism is rife in Zambia. Bemba, majority of them vote for Sata, even knowing deep down that he is a kaponya.
Tonga, most of them vote for HH, knowing pretty well that he compromised and stole from Luanshya Mines, Musi-o-Tunya.
I find smaller tribes from North western and Eastern to be the most friendly to other tribes.
Lozis are the worst tribalists.
Lozis are the worst tribalists? Your examples indicate that Bembas voted for Sata and his PF and Tongas voted for HH and his UPND.
Now can you explain to me on how and why Charles Milupi only managed to come fourth in his tribalist Lozi homeland behind RB, HH and Sata in the 2011 elections if Lozis are the worst tribalists.? The results were:
1. RB…MMD 10 seats.
2. HH.. UPND 4 seats.
3. Sata …PF 2 seats.
4. Milupi…ADD 1 seat.
If Lozis were the worst tribalists as you claim, Milupi would have won all the 17 seats but he only managed to get one seat.
And by the way Western Province is the only region that voted 4 different parties and elected MPs from 4 different parties. Democracy and pluralism is alive and well in Barotseland.
Lol! It seems @Erupug is nothing but a Lozi hater. His foo.lish conclusion is not supported by facts. Ironic that the “worst tribalists’ never supported their fellow Lozi Milupi. Instead they opted for parties led by people from other provinces! Going by the way people voted in 2011 it is actually correct to say that Lozis are the least tribal. Lozis did the same in 2001 when they voted overwhelmingly for Mazoka instead of their own Inonge Mbikusita Lewanika.
Interestingly, the ‘Lozi worst tribalists’ you are referring to overwhelmingly voted for Kenneth Kaunda, Chiluba, Mazoka, Mwanawasa, Rupiya Banda and even Michael Sata, none of whom were Lozis. If that’s what it means to be the ‘worst tribalists’ then, I probably don’t know what tribalism is.
What a stench from the Post, these days!
Now the Bembas have been exposed, I’m a disgruntled Lunda tribalist who is bitter with this Bemba infested tribal party.
That is the result of lack of principles. MCS found it good to go to bed with Fred all in the name of going to State House. A little reflection would have brought memories of insults Fred poured on MCF before they became ‘friends’. Fred has not changed. He is a shameless opportunist who wil pounce on any unprincipled fool he finds in his way. MCF has only got himself to blame. He has exposed himself by shemelessly commiting so may sins, ie blotted cabinet, any army of deputy ministers, shameless tribal appointments etc. The worst thing of all is that MCF might just succeed in tearing Zambia apart and Fred will gladly offer him a hand.
The name Silubanje mentioned in the article means `Wambanje`, `Wa matokwani’ or `ubebange`.
This is the question that runs through every article that Fred writes about ‘Mike’ (our president); it is so un-ashamadely clear that the Post has been bootlicking PF from inception. I suppose there is no honour amongst ‘thieves’ as they say. The Post has been robbed of being objective, unbiased, non-partisan and above all, journalistic ethics. Sichone’s question below begs for a long-awaited but never-expected response from Fred and co.
“”One would also wonder why a so-called “private” newspaper like the Post is so bitter and fully immersed in PF’s intra-party partisan wrangles. Can they tell the nation if they are an appendage of the PF which serves the interests of “their chosen leaders?””
Look at one’s deeds and not words. Consider how tribal cabinet is? what about diplomats? CEOs of parastatals? Constituency development funds allocations to mainly PF constituencies?
Oh! how they cry now that there beloved paper has called out their tribalism. We all as Zambians know which of the three tribalistic group is the most nepotistic. lol.
ZAMBIANS—–TRUTH HURTS BEYOND HYPOCRISY. BEMBAS HAVE DOMINATED PF GOVERNMENT THAN ANY OTHER GOVT THAT HAS RULED ZAMBIA. THE CURRENT PF GOVERNMENT IS INDEED A BEMBA DOMINATED ONE WHERE EVERY MAJOR MINISTRY AND DEPUTIES ARE OF BEMBA ORIGIN. THIS IS SHAMEFUL AND BEMBAS WHANT TO BURY THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND AND PRETEND TO POINT AT DR GUY SCOTT AS AN INCLUSIVE GOVT. TRUTH HURTS AND WILL HAUNT BEMBAS NOW AND IN FUTURE ESPECIALLY WITH SATA AS PRESIDENT BELIEVES OTHER TRIBES AS MINORITY NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE IN HIS GOVT. JUST LOOK AT APPOINTMENTS AND MINISTERS AND THEIR DEPUTIES PROVES THE POINT OF BEMBA TRIBALISM.
Ati chiwamila galu kuluma mbuzi! Kikikikikekekeke
Sata has excluded other provinces in his administration. This is really dangerous.
I have read the article by Mr.Mmembe in the Post Newspaper and the above. I find both articles to have been written by wrong people. If the articles were written by two independent minds maybe I would have had a second look at this whole thing. Sichone has a grind to hammer with Mmembe because he is from Muchinga/Northern Province where Sata hails from and no sane Zambian can trust Mmembe or believe that he is saying what he is saying genuinely . Mmembe himself has been a promoter of Bemba tribalism. He ran articles in his newspaper that Bemba was the number 1 tribe in Zambia. Just google this. So what is he talking about now? If Mmembe’s article was written by Times of Zambia or maybe Daily Nation people could possibly believe it but not him. Sata is a tribalist. Just see his…
Check the appointment at FRA. There were interviews conducted in September last year at Cresta Golf View Hotel. The panel picked a different person but his name was not on the alphabet being used and so someone who did not even attend the interview was given the job. Simply because his name was found on the Bemba alphabet now in use in Zambia. the Chairman of the Board of the FRA was part of the interviewing panel. This happened on the PF leadership’s watch. So no tribalism? Olala!
while all guys talk about useless tribalism i need tell you that most of the women i ve chopped are tongas. They tell me their acclaimed tonga bulls do nothing in bed hence turning to a bemba man like me for help and love.
Ve ended up marrying a tonga coz thats where i find love and not this tribalism talk you chaps are yapping. Iyo kwena nalitulya utu tonga utwanakashi.
@bigeh..Trabalisim is not defined as the mst spokn lunguage in the country, bt as the behavior and attitudes tht stem from strong loyalty to 1’s own tribe or social group.
Wt we need is fair and equal oportunity to job positions for pipo wit the ryt qualifications without being askd wt tribe one is… Jst so we cn continue usin the one zambia one nation them in our court of arms…
Despise the Bemba at your own peril