ZAF to receive the first of the 6 Fighter Jets ordered in 2014 from China

1. PF lacks priorities. Zambia is not at war to be buying jets on credit.

   $100million could be better spent on buying industrial power generators to supply enough power to the mines so that the mines can increase productivity and re employ the workers being retrenched.

   Only UPND will improve Zambia economy and provide jobs.

   • @wanzelu, try to read tumfweko sometimes, I spoke about Zambia using industrial gensets but received criticism from the like of jjb and kakolwe, saying I don’t understand the power needed in the mines. Try and educate some guys on the other sites.

   • @MJ Banda,

     Thanks for your advice. I will try to spread my messages across all popular publications so that those that have the ability to read between the lines can understand.

   • This comentioned is endowed with massive intellectual bankruptcy. You prepare for national defence during peace time. It’s absurd to buy weapons when you are under attack. If that’s UPND defence policy then God forbid you to get anywhere near the Instruments of power!

   • This hallaboo by UPND cyberstalkers is empirical evidence that they are a legion of disconnected Groupthink. The country would be over exposed to helpless status in a blink of an eye to the edge of being overrun by anyone. If you think sustainable national peace is expensive, try sleeping with all doors to our homes wide open with the gate free for all. So you order and stock your defense inventory in wartime? What a circus natoonal securit policy. It’s only synonymous with idealistic infantiles in their imaginary world. No wonder they are saying stop stocking medications except when Zambians are sick. Unprecedented ignorance. LoL!

   • Every country whose economy is on its knees can not manage to effectly engage an enemy in war. Just a few years back bankrupt Zimbabwe with relatively mordern military hard ware than Zambia tried to engage the M23 and Banyamulenge in Congo. All the Zim soldiers ran away and some boarded planes to Europe to seek asylum.

     To fight a war with genuine prospects of winning you must have enough financial resources for a start. Just having hardware alone is never enough because wars are generally expensive. Clever governments like Switzerland first look after the economy and put enough money for a rainy day so that if a war was to start it could just order all the needed hardware in no time.

     So in times of peace prop up the economy first so that you have enough money to send your soldiers…

   • If Mweetwa a certified UPND can spew thIs kind of ignorance, its a manifests that UPND has no national security policy. Zambians taking a risk with them God forbid, would be a ticket to self stripping show. Their national security is based on what would be parrotted from cartoon shows if not some circus talkshows. All our defense and security outfits would be dismantled on orders of the party’s sponsoring preponderant imperial nations and corporations panting for a helpless Zambia they could strip at will. What a circus.

   • these are things you make yourselves, not importing. south africa makes their own. how will you import a weapon if your supplier turns out to be your enemy?
     $100 million is 10% of the Euro-Bond. invest that $100 million in strengthening technical schools/colleges/universities with the high-end research equipment, great classroom facilities and good remunerations for lecturers (to curb brain drain) so that we can start manufacturing our own cars, two will tractors, solar panels, bio-gas generators, cotton and fighter jets. we have all the natural resources to make anything that man is currently making on earth. we need not import anything. that’s how progressive minds think!

   • Senseless comments. You don’t buy war equipment when you are at war. You stock up for the eventuality.

   • First thing first: The users, represented by the quoted Brig, Gen Zulu, say they want to ‘airlift capabilities to meet the logistical need of Zambian Army, and also ‘to improve the ZAF’s internal airlift operational capabilities and its ability to respond to public emergency relief and evacuation needs’.

     The key word here is Capability… so why are we procuring Military Off The Shelf (MOTS) equipment that is at variance with the needs or capability? And yes the people talking about priorities are just correct. Zambia has never been at war since time immemorial, so yes we need to feed our people first and ensure we have medicine in our hospital. Even America who is always at war have cut defence spending…

   • contd…
     Even America who is always at war have cut defence spending in the last couple of years and are investing in low cost high tech military equipment like UAVs (aka drones).

     And for those arguing planning and buying before you go to war, oh well but did we even do any capability studies and planning? In 10-20 years time these aircraft will be obsolete. And did anyone think about the through life support costs (maintenance costs)? Anyone who knows a thing or 2 about military procurement will tell you that more than 50% of the cost is embedded within the through life support costs. Without risking giving away my anonymity, I know this because I make military systems for a living. So the people questioning this expenditure are right, and have every right to as tax payers…

   • contd…
     Finally why are we buying military equipment junkie gear from China? I didn’t even know the Chinese had a market for their copycat, never tested military junkie. The way we have compromised our national security to China, we might as well become another province of China.

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   • UPND cadres are very petty and stupid just like their president. They want to comment on each and every issue exposing their ignorant. Do you know that this gvt is mandated by your old/new constitution to ensure your military is equipped at all times. Almost all planes owned by your ZAF is obsolete and you want them to go on like that, until when you silly cadres? You had South Africa secretly flying into your country to steal animals and your ill equipped ZAF could not see them because they have no ladder, where you at war? Didn’t you loose a lot money because of your ill equipped ZAF?

   • in the mean time, have already paid bribery money to Rupiya’s sons(and Katumbi and Rupia himself) for arranging this corrupt deal??

   • But if it was attacked, you will be the same people saying, ‘Why didn’t we prepare for this?’ It looks like UPND just like PF before has a permanent ‘Opposition mentality.’ You should not oppose everything for the sake of gaining popularity because one day when you are in power, you will find yourselves doing exactly the same things and you will be ashamed.

   • Ever heard of this saying: “A stitch in time saves nine.” You don’t have to wait until you are at war to prepare for it. Combat readiness is one thing you cannot ignore, silly twerp!

2. Does Zambia need these – in the midst of economic challenges?

3. All HH advise list of issues to challenge the Gov on.

   1. Electricity rates increment of 300% without knowledge of customer
   2. Water rates increment of more than 70%
   3. cost of living
   these are really issues to win an election.

4. The above comments by UPND cadres @Wanzelu and @Ke Nako just shows how the once smart party with smart bloggers has just degenerated to i d i o c y to even bother to read about what they say.

   No doubt ZAF has planes and this is a government decision to equip the Air Force because all the old aging planes will be killing some of our best men trained at high cost, recall how you made noise about ZAF planes crashing?

   Secondly the order was placed in 2014 after years of planning and this is clear in the story. In fact that planning started under MMD

   Lastly, you don’t go out to buy Generators when you have a crisis. You should have planned for this. We can’t wait till we are at war to equip our Air force. There is planning and training that takes years.

   Frankly speaking this…

   • Frankly speaking this type of under 5 commenting from UPND cadres, without application of any shred of critical thinking, is becoming nauseating.

     Well I can’t wait to see UPND came to come and get rid of the Army , the Air force because those are institutions that don’t produce money but shred it and many Governments all over the world have them.

     Or to make it interesting HH should just add his campaign slogan that he will get rid of Zambia Army and ZAF because that would release a lot of money to buy the generators UPND cadres are obsessed with.

   • Its in fact you who has lost it by becoming a useless PF cadre. I can imagine you have no choice after your party was taken over by PF. You will disappear with PF this year

   • I can see how a grown up person with 5 senses can support this

     1. Collapse of kwacha with 100% depreciation.
     2. Collapse of mining sector and massive job losses.
     3. Inflation reaches 21%.
     4. Almost all basic commodities double. Mealie meal approaches K95 in some cases.
     5. External approaches $7 billion or about $500 per head.
     6. Debt to GDP ratio crosses the 50% barrier.
     7. Massive budget deficits.
     8. Mining firms still unpaid up to $600 million on VAT refunds.
     9. Loadshedding becomes an Apocalytic Mad Max Nighmare.
     10. Fertiliser costing K450 per bag.
     11. Voucher system a dismal failure.
     12. Endemic political violence sponsored by PF.
     13. Edgar wastes $300,000 to ferry dancing queens to New York.
     14. Waste of milllions to buy satellite phones.
     15. Another useless…

   • @TheEngineer (Australia now Germany)

     And you call yourself an Engineer, my foot. How laughable dull. Did they push the bar that low or just sink it in the ground to get you in? An Engineer without basic analytical skills and claim to have been in Australia and Germany! It is such dander heads like you who make people back home think we all of us clean toilets in Diaspora.

     To begin with, the things you have listed happened in 2015!! Can’t you read that this order was placed in 2014 and it is even in the headline. Why can’t you think around that and apply your mind?

   • @MMD/PF ass licker,

     Now its become very clear that you have lost all the acumen to reason properly. Your thinking batata imwe is disgusting to say the least. I think your butt licking has now caused your brain to start degenerating.

     Even at house hold level, it would utter stupidity for a father to buy an expensive gun when his family house is crumbling and hunger has hit home.

   • @Wanzelu

     I thought Wanzelu means smart person in Nyanja. Alas, looks like we have another fraud who needed the sinking of the bar into the ground to get in.

     Again, why can’t you paid UPND cadres read. Again this order was placed in 2014. You just don’t wake up and buy Jets like you do with Cows. There is planning and thought that goes into this and clearly the thought process started way before that and before the so called house started crumbling.

     Can you critise PF on something else? They did not place this order in 2015 when the economy collapsed. And that is the wrong story you dull UPND cadres are pushing here and it is not true.

     Any critical thinker and analyst would see through your s t u p i d i t y

   • Mr so called intelligent bootlicker….. what was the copper price in 2014? The China slow down did not start in 2015, everyone was warned of the economic meltdown which was coming especially for commodity exporting countries. However, you and you clever PF in 2014 thought it was business as usual. Like i have said before, anyone who starts supporting PF suddenly looses their sense. You are a typical case in point

   • @TheEngineer (Australia now Germany)

     Y’ know what, today I just said that let me just take on these dull chaps with their flawed reasoning. Honestly, some of us a sick to the core of the likes of shallow reasoning people like you.

     First, Look at the 15 items you posted which you clearly claimed are facts that should have prevented or halted this decision. Now, tell me which of those items happened in 2014. The only closest point is no.8, the rest are not.

     And now you are asking me the price of copper in 2014. That is being fallacious. In fact your tactic is called the Fallacy of Red Herring- introducing an irrelevant topic to divert attention from the original issue.

     Anyway, am done, I’m not bring myself down to your level.

   • Mwaitaya bakalamba its best to shut up

   • To give you an example of countries that think and have much more money than your Zambia

     Canada has withdrawn from bidding for the Olympics
     Japan has opted to use old stadiums instead of build a more expansive US$2bn stadium for the 2019 Rugby world cup

     Munich in Germany has withdrawn its bid for the Olympics

     These are countries with lots of money but know that the economy will be tuff in the future.

     You seem to support anything PF without thinking

   • This MMD Chief B00tlicker is really a strange fella. His entire arguments is centred on the premise that the procurement was entered into in 2014. So what? How does that justify the fact Zambia is poor and cannot afford this expensive Chinese military junkie equipment? It’s not like Zambia was richest country in 2014. And if you enter into a contractual obligation where you don’t put clauses to cancel and suffer little monetary consequences then you are the one who is dnmb.

     And yes if I were president I would abolish the military and invest into strengthening the law enforcement agencies. There is no incentives in a country invading Zambia, right now. What to inherit problems? Once we have diamonds, gold and oil, then we can build our military. Right now, keep a smarter,…

   • Right now, keep a smarter, small military and equipment them with modern equipment, like drones. Or better still, enter into military partnership with the likes of South Africa to come defend us should we be attacked by an emissary. Again no country would dream of invading Zambia.

   • But where is the enemy coming from? we are surrounded by SADC, COMESA, etc these are just toys to keep the soldiers busy. ZAF role is now peace keeping, relief and saving against natural calamities not war

5. Yaba, like MMD Chief bootlicker has aptly put it, it is indeed very sad to read such empty rants from UPND cadres these days. Really, why in hell should you wait for a crisis to hit first for you to start scrambling for a solution? Isn’t that the kind of mentality that has put the country in the same position we are in in terms of electricity generation? You wait for crisis for you to find a solution—-who runs a country like that? Wait for a war for you to start scrambling for weapons/equipment to defend the country—-and this is coming from self-proclaimed intellectuals. Really????

   • Its so sad that everything in Zambia has taken a tribal root .It is very clear that a poor person can not fight a war.A hungry sodier with all the latest hard ware can not fight a war. wars are not won using expensive arms alone.Iam a well trained soldier I know that USA lost to vietnam simply because Vietnamese were mentally and physically prepared to defend there sovereignty. What wins wars is a conviction that what you are doing is right and is justified. What Zambia needs now is a strong Economy then all will follow. King Solomon asked for wisdom first though riches followed later.

6. WETHER IN ECONOMIC OR NOT AT WAR, THIS MACHINERY IS NEEDED, THE WORLD IS FACED WITH EVER CHANGING SECURITY THREATS WICH REQUIRES UPTO DATE MACHINERY… BA UPND U DNT JST LOOK AT ONE POINT AND U GIVE ANOTHER A DEAF EAR…… WE CALL U TO ISSUE BASED CAMPAIGNS AND NOT PROPAGANDAS…. ZAMBIANS WANT TO HIA HOW U WILL CHANGE THINGS ESP THE ONES U SAY PF HAS DESTROYED… TEL THE ZAMBIAN PEOPLE HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE FIXED…PERIOD

7. fipuba fi upnd amano taba kwata they what a reactive gvt not a proactive one

8. Surely with all the suffering of most of Zambians, the pf govt can go and buy such expensive jets at the expense of equiping schools with computers. PF lack policy direction and don’t drag MMD into your madness. RB left a resounding capital reserve and the economy was ticking. HH 2016

9. I don’t trust Chinese equipment. That money would have been used to purchase durable machines manufactured in Europe or USA.

10. @ the chosen one… i wud agree with u if u said russia or china…. whats so special about usa and europe anyway???

11. but friends tell me do v need this who r v goint to fight or who is going to fight with us than y do v have sada pan african and all this other org where by zambia is a member y y y this money would b used for better thing

12. These are just toys that cannot stand a fully fledged war. They were ordered during tensions in Barotseland to scare the lozi.

    • And the tongas…..

13. Every country in our region is spending and focusing on economic survival and development. Insurgent guerilla movements have all but disintegrated. The prospects of a war are far if not close to zero.
    Russian Mi 24 attack helicopters, which can be used for troop transport as well, which are still in use to day in conflic zones would have surficed, jets are a prestige option concedering the stability of our region.
    The helicopter option can be used for disaster situations, wildlife patrols, and many other situations as opposed to jets.

    • It only takes one man with a shoulder mounted stinger to bring down a helicopter…they do have their limitations.

    • Choppers are multipurpose, that is the point. Who in Africa has stinger missiles.???

14. MMD CHIEFBOOTLICKER: The name says it all.
    Whether the order was placed by MMD in 2014 or whatever, its irrelevant, An order can be cancelled if found that it was done without critical thinking. That is why it is called an order, off course it has terms which could have been varied. If PF saw that 6 fighter jets would cost the country huge funds, there was nothing wrong in amending the terms and say ok, make only one we do not need the rest so that we can place huge funds for priority areas. On top of everything, PF went on rampage on to create BYE elections which also cost the country dearly. MMD Chief Bootlicker, I had respect for your critical analysis but now you are becoming emortional, is because PF has swallowed the MMD, will you now call yourself MMD-PFChief Boot licker,…

15. Where are the MIGs?

    • Obsolete

    • The MiG-21s are in museums….check there!!

    • The same place these expensive toys will be in a years time – on the scrapheap!

      This shows just how dull Lungu and his PF clowns are.

      Wise and competent leaders use diplomacy and negotiation to achieve objectives.

      Dull, arrogant dictators use violence and guns.

      Morally bankrupt visonless idi.ots borrow money for development and then spend it on planes!

      You be the judge which is Zambian now.

    • They are older than you. Can you grand father run faster than you? Silly Question Lol

16. Well bloggers I think we need to be dispassionate when contributing to technical articles. There is nothing pf, upnd or mmd with regard to the new Jets.

    It is necessary that the army modernizes. Every world government modernizes it military hardware.

    We cannot sometimes be Jacks of all trades to comment on just about anything.Notwithstanding that its our constitutional right to do so.

    Lets research a little about defense matters as a discipline before we make our contributions.

    • When are we going to modernise ZP with a proper radios and modern side-on automatic 9mm piston instead of moving around with an AK47 automatic rifle everywhere.

    • Yes, we should do some research to find out who is getting kickbacks on this deal!

      When you see Government buying something we really do not need we should smell a big RAT!

      Especially jet fighters.

    • No rat to smell its just cheap aircraft got on credit from the Chinese…even our unborn children are now indebted to the Chines.

17. More cheap Chinese sub-standard rubbish so whole fleet will comprise of Chinese aircraft, talk about putting all your eggs in one basket.
    What is equally surprising is Zambia is also seeking a new cheap Russian P-18 aerial defense radar systems to secure national airspace…didn’t Dora Silya try to order or ordered a radar? This P-18 is truck mounted and has a range of 250km..why can’t we invest in proper defense radar systems from the best in the business instead of buying cheap stuff that will be obsolete in 5 years time? Its no wonder rich Boer poachers from RSA fly in and snatch animals from game parks..back to their ranches in RSA to sell to buyers abroad. What good is a radar with a 250 range in a big landlocked country like ours?

    • Where is the money?? You complain about project expenditure now you expensive military hardware???

    • Senseless comments. You don’t buy war equipment when you are at war. You stock up for the eventuality.

    • Shaka Zulu, what war. Who are you expecting to do war with?? There is no chance of war for the foreseeable future. Unless you know something we don’t. When economic conditions improve then we can re-arm.

18. ….which country do we expect to go to war with in the next 5, 10, 15 or 20 years…??….the only war we can expect is a civil war going by what is currently brewing…..the regional politics our politicians are embarking on every day…. if the likes of Davis Chama, Mumbi Phiri are not tamed…expect anything….tempers are very high….what recently happened in Kitwe and Kafue testifies to that….
    …beside, if any country would seem like evading us, all we need is cry out and either of the big powers will immediately come to our aid….

    • …sorry…invade us……

    • The selfsame reason you buy car insurance is the reason we should invest in a reasonable modern Military…you may have the best F1 driving license on the road but the next man behind you is drunk or a newly qualified driver….big powers you mentioned are funded by their own tax payers why should they have an obligation to help you?

    • Chinese will do Pricewise. Almost everything you use from cooker, mobile phone to computer is made in China…….unless we are expecting a war soon then maybe you borrow some more to buy expensive kit, then borrow again to maintain it….

    • @JAY JAY…
      … car insurance and equipping yourselves with military ‘armor’ is not comparable…far from it….instead of purchasing latest medical equipment to stop our citizens flying all over the world…Israel, India. UK, China, South Africa for medical attention we opt to buy military Bombers which we definitely do not need or shall never use for the next 40 – 60 years….mention of any country which may want to fight us in the next 10/20years and for what reason..??…politicians always use such deals to make personal money my dear…..not even one medical institution has a cardiac equipment…you end up flying you ailing presidents to UK just for a medical check up….meanwhile you opt to buy a bomber just to be packed at the military base for a show off that we have the latest…

    • At my last count there actually were 22 countries with no Army.

      If you are too dull to use Google and Wikipedia to find out the FACTS you should just keep quiet instead of showing your prejudice and ignorance here so that you can be laughed at in public!

19. MMD Chiefbootlicker, what kind of reasoning is this; that because an order was placed in 2014 bla bla bla. How was the economy in 2014? MMD Chiefbootlicker, you can recall one of the most sensible decisions our govt made in 2008. In 2005 Zambia won the rights to host the 2011 All Africa Games. 3 yrs later (in 2008), RB was elected President, the economy wasn’t doing well, he immediately announced that Zambia was going to pull out of hosting of the All Africa Games. Situmbeko Musokotwane and team projected that we were not going to raise enough money to host the event. Those are the benefits of having a good economic team, which RB was fortunate to have. Fighter aircraft are not an emergency, besides they’ve bought these from the loan which M’membe exposed in his paper which landed him…

    • … besides they’ve bought these from the loan which M’membe exposed in his paper and landed himself in jail.

      TAKE NOTE: What UPND bloggers (Wanzelu and co.) post here do not in any way represent the policies of HH/UPND.

20. Someone tell me which country has no army? Japan tried it after world war 2 and failed

    • Who said we should have no army.????.
      Some pipo just hear voices in their heads.

    • So for you it doesn’t follow that if you have an army you arm it? What kind of schools are you people coming from? Your army has n’t even bought state of the art aircraft yet youre making noise about just maintenance equipment. 7 such aircraft is what any ragtag army would have.

    • There is no prospect of a war for the foreseeable future, there was no need for jets at this moment of economic hardships.
      Just like plans for a national airline were shelved because there is no prospect of increased visitors to Zambia while we are in economic doldrums. £100 million could have established a few well thought industrial plants.

    • There are MANY countries that do not have an army.

      Most are peaceful and prosperous, and just have a police force.

      Please do not expose your ignorance here.

    • @Chester you can’t name them because you know of none. It’s you who is exposing your ignorance. @ Patrick you dont have to identify an enemy to arm yourself. That is naive logic and that’s why you aren’t in the army. An army is always strategic – that’s the keyword STRATEGIC. That aside just in the past 2 decade one of your neighbours nearly attacked you for helping it’s rebels and you had to even send KK to go begging for mercy. There are volatile neighbours who could change regime and you have a hostile neighbour ready to fight you. Ask Tanzania

    • @shaka zulu,
      if you do silly things like sell weapons to disstabalising movements like the former UNITA then you deserve to be attacked, and if PF intend to do that then by better invest in better jets then those Chinese ones.
      times are a changing, the times of madmen like amin are gone. No one is against a updating jet fighters, but that money can be used else where right now.

    • @Shaka Zulu are you one of those guys who go to a witch doctor to buy charms to protect yourself against your neighbors who you suspect could harm you with witchcraft?

    • There’s no country without an army yolu danderhead Chester!

    • UPND Supporter thats poor and illogical thinking which is responsible for the poor quality of debate here. Whether I believe in witchcraft or dont doesn’t compel me to use witchcraft to defend myself. You believed in witchcraft when you fought the European coloniser but he still fought you without consulting any witch. As for Patrick hes failed to address any issue I’ve raised so I leave it there

21. Some of the comments here defy logic. Do you honestly prepare to arm yourself when you are under threat? You need to have a battle-ready defence force. When I become President I will increase military spending tenfold!! (Just laughing)

    • The war which is we should fight first you *****s is poverty and literacy all will follow.Zambia needs a strong and educated people in order to defend themselves.

22. Comment:modernising military hardware is a welcome move..First of all, you should appreciate the role of military & other security agencies in preserving the peace you are enjoying..Some of you, you don’t know the external & internal security threats which these guys in uniform have countered to preserve peace as well as the challenges they face in this cause. Above all, having modern military capabilities deters would be aggressors

    • If pipo are starving, can’t afford school fees, rents and have no jobs, what’s the use of a modern military?, maybe to use against rioting citizens

23. Which Ignorant leader or people want to start modernizing their military in time of war. really? How do some of you even function when ever you awake?

24. What wars are you pipo preparing for.???? There is no prospect of a war with Zambia for the foreseeable future. All countries in our region are independent, all guerilla movements have died out, every one is fighting for economic survival in our region. There was no need for jets at this moment in time. If it were multipurpose craft like helicopters, which can be deployed in other theaters like wildlife, or disaster situations then no one can argue.
    But since sales commissions have already been chewed, lets be ready for wars with those jets.

    • Dumb very dumb

    • right now pipo cant afford even 2 meals and you have normal people supporting PF buying fighter jets, the region is peaceful unless these same people envision civil war in Zambia and hope to use those jets against our citizens..

25. Wanzelu and his UPND are lunatics. It’s difficult to reason with the as they are so deluded to the bone. Zambia’s peace is not born out of nothing but the struggle and commitment by those who spend days and nights safeguarding this rare treasure. I salute MMD bootlious for maturity and his critical analysing the purchase of military planes.

    • Ha ha ha ha! Safe guarding this rare treasure?

      Is that what you call a bankrupt Zambia with DEBT OF TEN BILLION DOLLARS? Wake up! NOBODY WANTS IT!

      We should just invite someone to take the country over. Maybe they can run it better than these useless drunkards and clowns!

26. LT, may I suggest you conduct an ‘election’ among your bloggers on this site between PF and UPND? Would be interesting to find out the outcome!

27. Its actually better for ZAF to buy South African made Atlas Cheetah jet fighters than these flying Chinese coffins.Chinese products are cheap and dangerous.

    • South africa doesn’t make jet planes. It makes helicopters

    • @Made a Gas Car….please don’t expose your ignorance.Do a google search or Wikipedia and you’ll see ZA made Atlas Cheetah jets which even Ecuador Airforce uses.

    • Mzambia wa Zamani the Atlas cheetah plane is an Israeli made plane that they sold to South African AIr force but then decided to produce in pretoria. This is because of an arrange that

28. Mailo munakamba ati 7 planes lelo ati 6 can we trust your reporting

29. Mailo munakamba ati 7 planes lelo ati 6 can we trust your reporting?

    • Somewhere else I saw 8 planes

30. There are a few countries that claimnot to have an army but they have signed treaties with superpowers to protect them. What the hell is that? So defacto they have an army they have just subcontrcated the job

    • Besides countries like Monaco the Vatican Guam cannot be called countries

31. But ukusambilila kwa pa internet! Someone sourced info from Wikipedia and is boasting about it and telling others that they are ignorant sure! Muleya ku sukulu mwebantu. No respected university will pass you if you sourced info from wikipedia. I can change anything on wikipedia any time. As Noizmaking Zedians puts it the 22 countries that have no armies are mostly protectorates and those who have pacts with other countries to help when they are attacked

32. The Engineer and Jaya Jay, you guys your reasoning is too shallow, no wonder you’re under 5 as UPND. Keep on cleaning old people’s as.ses. Go PF

33. You who is talking of making our own planes, don’t you understand that you need to understand the sophistication of your enemies weapons to devise stronger ones too? I am hoping ZAF will dismantle one of those jets and study it’s components so as to improve our future ‘made in Zambia fleet’ it’s embarrassing for an individual to condem the purchase of such important equipment. It shows that not all those that sound a little intelligent are really intelligent as one would expect. We can start making our soon but we need you to take up the task of getting involved, for as long as you hide in the ‘diaspora’ hoping to come and join when we have already started devising and moving in that direction, you will be an irrelevant liability and will complain of been neglected. Wake…

    • you cant even make a spoon in zambia and you are hallucinating about replicating jets

34. Chinese substandard, go and make your own then you will realize that any level is okay for an individual with no ability to care for himself. If you know the right we ought to do, be like Dangote, instead of yaping, make a difference. Government in and government out, you have remained irrelevant. Let’s wake Zambians and Stop making two individuals our daily bread, it shows how lazy a people we are, if you are an engineer, share the articles you have published, if you are intelligent, share your reference points we learn too. It’s disturbing to look at how much we are tarnishing the educational titles we claim we posses.

35. Why do all “clever” guys here start their statements with “please dont expose your ignorance” instead of just making their point? Its the mark of a dumb guy posseessing some little knowledge that he thinks he is clever to know.

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