Former President Rupiah Bwezani Banda has refuted claims that the country is sliding into dictatorship.
Mr. Banda noted that the country is still enjoying a democratic governance and applauded late President Frederick Chiluba for the introduction of democracy.
He instead advised the Church to counsel the incarcerated leader Hakainde Hichilema to concede defeat.
Mr Banda said Mr Hichilema’s refusal to accept losing an election was the source of all the assertions of that the country was in dictatorship.
He was answering questions from Journalists after he laid wreaths on late second Republican President Chiluba’s grave on the occasion to commemorate the seventh anniversary of his death.
President Banda observed that the re-election of President Edgar Chagwa Lungu is one that has been accepted by the international community, the church itself and most importantly Zambians.
He observed that even leaders such as first Republican President Kenneth Kaunda had accepted defeat when the people had spoken and it is this decision that makes him a role model.
“When we have had an election and it has been declared we are supposed to accept… Dr Kaunda did it, I did it and I hope the others will learn to do that,” he said.
“Let’s assume he wins the election in five years and the current government loses and he wins, our brother who is in prison we will expect that people should accept. If he does not accept now why would he expect people to accept when he wins.”
President Banda repeatedly refused assertions that the country was a dictatorship or sliding into a dictatorship.
He observed that he did belong to the party and ruled from the party crowned as mother of democracy and thus knew what a democratic government was.
who asked the question?
Well, even Hitler has massive support as he killed Jews and conquered EuropeOur country is now all, except in designation, a dictatorship and if it is not yet, then we are not far from it. Our political leaders in the ruling party often issue intimidating statements that frighten people and make us fear for the immediate and future. Only naive people will not accept this
It’s not a dictatorship, but we need reconciliation. Leader’s, Political Party’s, Church organizations, NGO’s etc., we need to stop acting like children and start talking to each other to effect reconciliation, peace and tranquillity.
How come only the First Lady, Esther Lungu seem to be the only one blessed with the wisdom to see that the ruling party need to start talking to opposition party’s? She gave an example of how the Ugandan’s are talking to each other.
Put your politics aside and start acting like adults.
Zambia has not slid into dictatorship, says the country’s co-President.
Ignore this diarrhea, it is infested with a cholera virus.
RB you are to blame for the corrupt morals
What would you expect from Lazy Lungu’s mentor….. the crook Ruphiah has more to lose by stating otherwise since he has his best people in influential positions in this Lazy Lungu Govt.
RB must have been totally asleep, or is he just being oblivious to reality?
President lungu may be a good man, the people misleading him are those who PF by tribe or material benefit.
In today’s Zambia any evil can be justified.
10 WAYS TO TELL IF YOUR PRESIDENT IS A DICTATOR By Prof. Stephen Walt, Harvard University
1) Demonizing the opposition.
These are the same tactics Erdogan and Putin have used in Turkey and Russia.
2) Systematic efforts to intimidate the media.
As George Orwell emphasized so powerfully in 1984, autocrats survive by controlling information.
3) Building an official user-friendly media network. (DeadNBC, Daily Nation, Times of Zambia, Daily mail)
4) Politicizing the civil service, military & the domestic security agencies.
5) Using government surveillance against domestic political opponents.
6) Using state power to reward corporate backers and punish opponents.
7) Stacking the Supreme Court.
8) Enforcing the law for only one side.
9) Really rigging the elsystem.
10)…
CONT’D…
10) Fearmongering: Stoking public fears about safety and well-being is a DICTATORSHIP tactic, designed to convince a frightened population to look to the Supreme Leader for protection. A frightened population tends to think first about its own safety, and forget about fundamental liberties, and would be more likely to look the other way as a president amassed greater power.
The worst case, of course, would be an Erdogan-like attempt to use a terrorist attack or some other equally dramatic event as an excuse to declare a “State of Emergency” and to assume unprecedented executive authority. Similarly lungu wants to use any excuse to declare state of emergency so he can detain without trial anyone with a divergent view, change constitution to remove 3rd term clause etc.
What else can you expect from this corrupt guy whose the beneficiary of corrupt proceeds from both when his was president and from the current band of bandits.
Look who is talking!
So is he saying HH’s non acceptance of defeat is why Lungu is persecuting him using State Machines? This is the same Rupia Banda who wrongly advised Lungu not to concede defeat, and instead told him to manipulate the results and declare himself President.
But notice how almost every defender of Lungu’s dictatorship tag says HH must accept defeat. No one has really come forward to argue any other reason why HH is in jail… it’s obvious why they have persecuting the man.
Lungu can’t force people to accept him as president… the onus is on Lungu to prove that he really won the elections. So far he has failed to do that; instead he has turned the country into dictatorship. Just Goggle “The day road rage led to a treason charge in Zambia” to see…
…Just Goggle “The day road rage led to a treason charge in Zambia” to see how the international media has reported this issue (include the BBC, LA Times, VoA, etc.).
This RB D1ck head 1diot is the reason why Zambia is wallowing in PF sh1t now.
@ Alternative Facts Fake News
I just googled The day road rage led to a treason charge in Zambia, it’s a disgrace to lungu & his supporters.
if the High Court even entertains this tramped up case, it’ll go down the septic tank together with PF & lungu.
SHAME, THAT IS WHAT CHANCERS / OPPORTUNISTS DO. INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON LAYING WRATHS HE IS BUSY SEEKING ATTENTION AND WORRYING ABOUT HIS CORRUPT POCKET. HE IS DRIVING PLEASURE OUT OF HH’S ARREST, THE YOUNG MAN HAS MORE DIGNITY THAN YOU.
With due respect Mr. Rupiah B Banda, I do not agree with you on the need for HH and his Party to accept the results of the 11th August, 2016 elections, as well as recognising Mr Lungu as President. Why don’t i agree with you? I don’t agree with you because the examples you have cited do not hold any water. They are very weak. (1) Dr Kaunda lost miserably in 1991and he had no choice but to concede defeat. (2) You, yourself lost equally miserably in 2011 and you had no choice but to concede. Further, in all the 4 occasions that HH lost, he has been confusing without any problem. But for the 2016 elections, you saw what happened to the counting of ballot papers.
Both KK and RB were soundly beaten fair and square! You don’t curtail a hearing for the affected, first you hear what they have to say (petition) then you counsel! There is an adage which says “A slave is put to death with words in his mouth that no one accords a hearing!” Zambia has evolved way beyond being still primitive! RB and KK are a let down for theirs should have been as a blind fold on Lady Justice in providing counsel to children in both government and opposition!
Contf…some ballot boxes were found in private houses like the ones in Nola where the returning officer took some boxes to God knows where. You call that election having been fair and free? After all the Constitution of Zambia demands that if one part is not satisfied with the election results, they are free to seek legal opinion and that’s what the UPND did but the PF is refusing to abide by what the Republican Constitution demands. No sir, I don’t agree with you. Your advice is based on Wako ni Wako.
“Mr. Banda noted that the country is still enjoying a democratic governance and applauded late President Frederick Chiluba for the introduction of democracy.”
If your elders are telling lies about history know that something is seriously wrong with them…this crook RB telling lies..when did Ka FTJ introduce democracy…why can’t this big crook simply lay the wreaths and go back to State House to steal with Lazy.
Contd…Besides Mr. Former President Banda, which is supposed to come first according to our new Constitution signed by the current Mr President? Recognize first and Petition or Petition first and depending on the ruling by the Courts then recognize the winning President? I doubt if you looked at all these facts and this is why I am saying your decision is made from a Wako ni Wako stand point sir. With what I’ve said, I don’t agree with your advice!
What else do you expect from Banda? Banda is the one who convinced Lungu to hijack power from HH , so what other advise do you expect from Banda apart from defending the wrong he endorsed after the August 11 elections. Band’s roots are from Malawi, just like Lungu. We all know it.
sad Coming from Rupiah…. in his statement he is assuming that Democracy starts and ends with an election. Unbelievable ! You cannot force the UPND to accept the election and by the way they are also simply using the very institutions that a democracy u are talking about allows them to use … the COURTS. They have not gone to form militias or any other illegal means if anything they are demonstrating what a true democracy must accommodate. Unfortunately the reaction from the Ruling PF has inadvertently exposed the lack of participatory democracy in this nation. Rupiah democracy does not start and end with a sitting Presido accepting or not accepting results of an election that is a self absorbed and Myopic view
Eastern Province is full of grey-haired men who have 0% Wisdom in their heads:-
– Edwin sakala (who wants Tongas & UPND banned from Eastern Province)
– RB
– lungu – (Malawian moslem -Chawa)
– kaizer zulu
– Mpezeni
– Mathew Ngulube Ex Chief Justice who got Zamtroop bribes – (a Malawian)
– Richard sakala
– KK – (a Malawian)
– Newstead Zimba – (a Malawian)
etc.
Banda find other people to patronize. You are part of Pf hence you are compromised on this matter.
Tongas are very good dogs. They know how to turnish names. They have a dog trait in their genomes!
Stew pig.
RB or Banda something (I am not really sure about his full name) whatever it is, I do not give it a damn. This RB is a scoundrel and he is just another goon who is attempting to validate all PF denials, which were orchestrated by the lead villain himself (Lungu). This Banda thing should have talked about what PF would have done differently in order to remedy their unwanted mess. We are fed up with these creatures and everything under their control is a mess. Zambians have been lied to and they (PF villains) are bent on continuing with lies and corruption. Where are they (PF) taking Zambia to? The lead villain (Lungu) solicited this old scoundrel (RB thing) to convince uncritical and passive Zambians to believe this latest hollow pronouncement. Viva HH, viva UPND and Tongas including all…
Do you have parents or did you have parents, you jackass?
That’s inhuman Tilizon calling others as dogs! Anyway, what I wanted to share with you is that : Did you know that RBB became the President of Zambia but was not really an MMD member? Ask him, he will tell you himself! It was luck favouring fools because he was still UNIP when he was hand-picked by LPM to be his Vice.
Look at your stupidity. Maybe you are not even a true Zambian. Be reminded, Tongas are the real and true owners of this piece of land called Zambia. Wake your watery brain up.
Biggest slap on HH face
Why ? RB would say so……lungu dropped all charges against him and his son…
Well, even Hitler has massive support as he killed Jews and conquered EuropeOur country is now all, except in designation, a dictatorship and if it is not yet, then we are not far from it. Our political leaders in the ruling party often issue intimidating statements that frighten people and make us fear for the immediate and future. Only naive people will not accept this
Mr KUDOS – YOU NEED TO GO FOR A MEMORY TEST! JUST YESTERDAY THE POLICE WARNED PEOPLE ABOUT COMMENTING ON HH’S CASE ! IF WE WERE NOT IN A DICTATORSHIP WE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK FREELY ABOUT THIS ! IF WE WERE NOT IN A DICTATORSHIP THEN IT WOULD NOT MATTER WHETHER HH RECOGNISES MR LUNGU OR NOT. PEOPLE WOULD BE FREE TO HOLD PEACEFUL MARCHES AGAINST HIS ARREST …THE LIST GOES ON
(HH) is all alone in the dark behind bars because he’s an unfit Under 5 politician. Cheap crook.
UPND you’ve heard for yourselves. No dictatorship.
Get it out of your small brains.
If Zambia was in a dictatorship, there would be no Lusaka Times for citizens to air their views with a free voice.
The concepts of freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of expression are widely misunderstood by UPND who follow a blind leader Heke Inda Hajilima without questioning. They’re like robots and can’t think on their own. Maybe they can’t think at all.
These freedoms come with responsibility.
UPND, it is no wonder many Zambians have started calling you Donkeys which was created by Terrible
Kudos you are using a pseudo name what are you afraid of. If it wasn’t a dictatorship you should have used your real name, people are in fear nobody apart from Pf bootlickers are allowed to protest. The police are abusing their powers as evidenced in the recent court cases where they embarrass themselves. Then you RB speaking nonsence
The UPND have failed to deal with the elephant in their own room.
Akainde Ichilema has been the Dictator at the helm of UPND for 11 years and they fail to see it.
Garry Nkombo and other capable leaders have been sidelined.
Jack Chibwe if the powers that be were of a Dictatorial nature, you would have hidden your name Jack Chibwe. You wouldn’t even be here. Try living in China if you’ve never travelled.
I choose to use Mr Kudos and I’m PF happily supporting the government of the day. I have nothing to worry about.
I woke up this morning in my Makeni house breathing fresh air and took a warm shower why?
Because I have never been as dumb as to endanger the President’s life by blocking the Presidential motorcade.
Your Akainde woke up to the fresh smell of his own poo. What a life.
Suffice to say that I wouldn’t block Akainde’s motorcade if he were elected President in 2041. Respect is important.
That nincompoup will come out with a brain more fried than Captain Solo
Stew pig postings.
I must emphasize that Zambians are enjoying real peace with the cheap thug Akainde behind bars.
Once GBV takes over he should change the UPND’s Satamic Free Masson symbol.
The prison warden should shave Akainde’s hair before the beheading
Akainde and Mutinta thought was there was volcano in Zambia waiting to explode for their sake. Little did they know Zambians have more worthwhile things to do with their time
Akainde and Mutinta are very deluded.
Akainde will spend the rest of his life trekking between Kabulonga and the Chinama ward
Blame Ackson Sejane for the downward trend (HH) has been cursed with
Each night Akainde is faced with the tough decision of either using the A4 paper to develop his 10-point plan or to clean himself.
and that is what Fred Mumembe would call “a Dilema”.
Pay your taxes quickly Fred, Mast is not doing so well
Yes, Mr Kudos!! We hear you, and we agree with you!!
So let’s read between the lines, according to RB if HH accepts defeat he will be released..
Mmm such statements are confirming that HH’s incarceration is a deliberate attempt to break him.
Those are your own between-the-line; the plain msg is that if HH had accepted the election results he would have behaved more maturely and avoided criminality which some people are mistaking for opposition. Opposition does not mean breaking the law and when the law visits you, you claim political persecution!
@Umwina Nkhana, all you say is that HH broke the law. Why is it that every time someone says that they conveniently forget to mention the law he broke. Do you know yourself?
Banda is paying his bills for Lungu dropping his charges, which will be restated at the right time
Papa corruption the milandus have dissappeared and it was a collabo with chagwa so he is telling us HH is in jail because of not accepting chagwa as president and not treason ok “interesting”
Yes Rupiah (Money) Banda has confirmed that HH is incarcerated for not accepting Lungu as President and not treason, HH lawyers should take note of this statement.
@Buuga, the PF actually doesn’t know why HH is behind bars. If you ask Mr. LUNGU why HH is in prison, he will tell you that he doesn’t know and refer you to Kansas who will tell you that because he disrespected LUNGU on Mongu – Limulunga Road but will refer you to Mumbi Phiri who will tell you HH is refusing to recognize LUNGU as President but will refer you to Kampyongo who will tell you that because HH is rich and arrogant. The story for on and own without any of the PF bigwigs telling you exactly what HH did to be in prison. Funny isn’t? Even hardcore dictators like M7 and Mugabe know how to classify charges otherwise General Besigwe or whatever his name is and Tshangirai would have been in prisons now.
Stuck with maturity of a teenager! RB must be cited for contempt of court also. So HH is not in Jail for Treason but Recog … things. Can RB cite which part of the constitution Chagwa is using to justify the mistreatment he is making HH undergo. Umulandu taubola – Chagwa is the one who committed treason by not handing over power to the speaker when the petition was in effect. That in itself intimidated the judges to play a technicality of delaying tactics. Don’t try to justify a wrong Bwana RB! You failed already and we kicked you out. You should instead advise you man to sobber up. Power is not forever!
This statement by rb not different from sumaili religious affairs minister’s statement
Tongas always twist things.Advice from RB to HH is stop the rubbish your lost,EL won and everyone accepted including the itself and the international community except UPND.
Until you realize that tribe ain’t the biggest thing God made, you will always remain stew pig.
In your freaks. Wakeup
ALL THIS MESS POINTS TO YOU, WHO INTRODUCED THE DICTATOR ACROSS THE ZAMBEZI TO LUNGU? WHO DESTROYED MMD, LET HH EXERCISE HIS CONSCIOUS AND DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS ON OUR BEHALF. IF HH DIED TODAY WE WILL HONOUR HIM FOR RISKING HIS LIFE TO END TO THIS CANCER CALLED R I G G I N G.
Wise words from RB. Icilema should accept defeat. In short what RB is saying is that, by not accepting defeat HH ended up putting the President indanger by not giving him way during the Kuomboka ceremony. At the end, HH was slapped with a treason charge. Thanks RB once again, you are truly wise!
Do you mean to say, HH must forfeit fortitude?
@ Umute. Courage by obstructing the presidential motorcade? He should have taken his courage to Kasama or Mpulungu on a campaign trail not where the President was. And you call that fortitude? Really?
@11.2 Naluntambwe
According to the facts of the case, cited “obstructing the presidential motorcade” was a deliberate act by His Excellence President Edgar Lungu, fully avoidable by him, had he so wished. President Lungu and his team contemplated and hatched that shameless road-rage saga. Where else in the world may one find a president so despicably impetuous?
BANDA IS JUST KOTOWING LUNGU BECAUSE OF HIS CRIMES WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT. THIS IS THE MAN THAT KILLED MMD.
Well said, Your Excellency Rupiah Banda. The piece of wisdom coming from RB is that if HH does not accept that he lost the elections in 2016 and goes on to win in 2021, why should he expect the loser (s) in 2021 to accept defeat. HH and his unwise supporters are indeed setting a very bad precedent for this country of not accepting defeat when one loses. I remember when Trump said before the election he was not going to accept defeat if Hilary won, Americans got worried as this was seen to be undermining the very basis of American democracy where losers concede defeat no matter how difficult it may be in order to facilitate a smooth transition. Unfortunately, UPND seems to lack the wisdom to see the significance of this aspect.
It is suprising that even pipo who claim to be intellectuals (upnd) don’t know that hh did what he did in mongu to prove to the world that does recognize EL but not knowning that is putting him in big trouble
The corruption don has spoken; what do you expect from the inventor of wakumawa politics?
Crying my beloved country.
Tongas always twist things.Advice from RB to HH is stop the rubbish your lost,EL won and everyone accepted including the church itself and the international community except UPND.In short HH is the dictator who cannot accept defeat in multitude of evidence.
Accepting an election outcome is different from accepting political outcome. Election defeat is temporary whereas political defeat endures forever. The starting point is strengthening democratic institutions in the country, including statutory bodies, business community, civil society, religious bodies, professional bodies, intellectual giants, etc. Once an election outcome is announced by ECZ, then Court challenges remain the only democratic option. During the Court challenges, there is need to respect legal procedure and state institutions. This can take years but Good Governance is inherently a slow motion picture.
@Dr. Makasa Kasonde the private citizen
There goes the private citizen in Zimbabwe trying to split hairs over nothing. If an election outcome is not a political outcome, what then is it? Besides, court challenges are not democratic options, they are legal options Sir. They are the attempt to move away from illegal means of solving problems.
Eastern Province is full of grey-haired men without wisdom
– Edwin sakala
– RB
– lungu
– kaizer zulu
– Mpezeni
– Mathew Ngulube
– Richard sakala
Not in Zambia, they will spend next 5 years debating on past results instead of strengthening those institutions; reducing the Presidents powers. Come 2021 ECZ will still be printing ballot papers abroad sighting lack of facilities in Zambia, come 2021 the president will still join his friend to chair ECZ.
Welcome to Zambia ….land of docility!!
If the losing candidate stands again for the same position, then the loss was essentially electoral and not political. The struggle for political power is comparable to war. In war, one battle follows another until the victor can emerge. After defeat, the vanquished will remain subdued for relatively long time. Similarly, in a sports championship the loss of one game is not the same thing as losing the championship. What matters is the full picture. What matters is the essence. In the Kenyan scenario, Raila’s denial did not change the status quo. Even now, Uhuru is leading the country. It is two sides of the same coin. Only time will tell . . .
Look who is talking. Wakoo ni wakoo kumodzi kumava consultant. How do you accept an election where Esau Chuulu is announcing wrong figures, and where ‘Chavula’ is in the IT room cooking figures?
The only dictator in Zambia is HH himself. After losing 5 times, you would think one would move on and let others take care of the party. Imagine how he refuses to let go of UPND, would he let go of instruments of power once in government? This is what he means when he says, he’ll put his life on the line just to get to state house. Well, it worked for Sata but HH is a completely different kind of fish. The Zambian people are not with him so his fight is in vain. The man needs to move on so we can carry on and enjoy our peace.
“Let’s assume he wins the election in five years and the current government loses and he wins, our brother who is in prison we will expect that people should accept. If he does not accept now why would he expect people to accept when he wins.”- RB
Make your own conclusions but its abundantly clear that the traffic charge has nothing to do with why that man is in prison. And for all dull PF cadres …its not illegal to not recognize the president!
It’s illegal to attempt to topple the government or cause civil unrest just because you as an individual refuses to recognize the government. The traffic charge is one of the many charges slapped on HH and it’s this kind of attitude that lands people in problems. There are better and civil ways to approach things but someone probably whispered in HH’s ear that he needed to be a bit bolder in his approach.
I do not know his contribution to Zambia. He was Mwanawasa’s bad experiment on the Zambian people. No brains, full of nepotism, foul talking and poor posture. How do you keep an innocent person in maximum prison and claim all is well and there is no dictatorship in Zambia? Think for a moment, If they can keep HH at the maximum prison now (when he is just a suspect), what will happen if the court convicts him of ‘treason’?
There may still be democracy in Zambia but there has not been any convincing actions on the part of the government that they have enhanced it.
There is sense in what the former President of Zambia Mr Rupiah Banda has said…A proud person who thinks he or she knows it all will always fail…The earlier the Supreme Leader HH of the UPND realise that the better
The corrupt vomit is back to haunt Zambians! Easterners never cease to amaze me. They are difficult to advise and they will always support each other even for things that are obviously wrong. Above all they are sly and vindictive. Any wonder why they are always the last to change. They remained with UNIP and MMD when the rest of the country had moved on. This is how they will remain with the PF shell! If this is the level of inadequacy Lungu feels for want of recognition, then we are on autopilot. We should never trust easterners with the presidency again. They have failed us enough. Time to try other regions. Chiluba and Mwanawasa were jolly good presidents. Their presidency brought sanity to the economy. The rest were just in that seat for themselves! Chiluba unfortunately was misled by…
The rest were just in that seat for themselves! Chiluba unfortunately was misled by one Sata. Sata destroyed everything. True leaders don’t invest in buildings. Jesus, the greatest leader ever, never built a building. True leaders invest in people! Once you invest in people, the rest will follow. Ichalo Bantu! Ichalo te fukulwa! We must vote RB out again with his stooge EL!
What other rubbish can u expect from Lungu’s mentor? Ba Bwezani cannot condemn Lungu. I we cimudala u are a devil, a Mwansa kabinga, ci shetani. U are the cause of all this but God will punish u. Ulicipuba kabili icindoshi. Ci Nyama Soya. Niwe ci tata wampesha.
RB lacks the morality to speak about morals.
RB and his son stole $3 million in oil kickbacks and lungu dropped all charges.
Nuff said…….
I was a keen supporter of RB when PF cadres here were calling him as nyama soya. Now I have lost respect of this wako ni wako ex-president. Zambia is now a dictatorship, so just keep quiet mandala
HH does not want dialogue he wants the courts to declare ECL as the winner of the last elections because he was not happy with ECZ then we can all move on..
Who should we free an innocent man HH or capture Henry banda a fugitive and PF die hards shouted leave henry alone and lock up HH forever.
Very sad indeed.
Name one other country in Africa, besides Uganda, where wholesale stealing of presidential elections is practiced with impunity? Zambia is that other country. And such a country, by definition, is a dictatorship.
WHERE EXACTLY WERE THE UPND VOTES STOLEN? UPND HAD AGENTS TO COUNT AND VERIFY THE VOTES, SO WHERE WERE THE VOTES STOLEN. UPND WAS GIVEN 14 DAYS TO TELL US WHERE THE VOTES WERE STOLEN FROM. UP TO NOW THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US. DO YOU NEED 14 DAYS TO ONLY TELL US THAT THE VOTES WERE STOLEN HERE AND HERE AND THERE? PERIOD. SO WHERE WERE THE VOTES STOLEN? INSTEAD OF TELLING THE WORLD WHERE THE VOTES WERE STOLEN, UPND CAME WITH A LIST OF OVER 80 PRELIMINARIES. SO IN THIS CASE WHO EXACTLY IS A THIEF? BROAD DAY LIGHT BANDIT???…I THINK THE ONE WHO IS MAKING WILD CLAIMS OF STOLEN VOTES MUST BE A BANDIT. YOUR FRIEND WINS 6.5 PROVINCES AND YOU GET ONLY 3.5 PROVINCES. YOUR FRIEND GETS 98 MPS AND YOU GET 48 MPS
@31.1 Chisenga
So you don’t know? You need to acquaint yourself with the facts of the case. It’s a scandal, the like of which is yet to be witnessed even among the most primitive of societies around the world. What democracy can we ever speak boast about in the after mass of what transpired during the last election? Which grandmother will ever want to go and stand in a line for 12 hours in order to cast another ballot paper when it is all a sham and a facade?
Chisenga
Ask your self what mumbi phiri and kaizer Zulu were doing with ballot boxes without ECZ officials at city airport ????
Meimatungu,
Can you please speak with the help of empirical evidence? It is the epitome of intellectual incapacity and, indeed, very irritating to speak without backing your arguments with unimpeachable evidence. Maybe you were too young to have experienced the dictatorship of Kaunda’s reign when just holding a press briefing as Archbishop Telesphore Mpundu did on Friday would have landed him, together with all those present, in the cells.
@31.4 Facts:
What regard has a dictatorship for empirical evidence? If president Lungu was not a dictator, UPND’s petition case would long have been given a hearing by the courts. While the Judiciary and the Legislature were created to exist separately and independent from the Executive branch, that is hardly the case in Zambia right now. Both the Judiciary and the Legislature, are subservient to president Lungu’s regime. They do what he tells them to do. Do I need to provide empirical evidence for that? Probably not. It’s either you see it or you don’t. The fact that Kaunda was a dictator does not mean that Lungu is not one. The two are not mutually exclusive.
RB is the Culprit in all this. He is Lungu’s Godfather and helped him to rig the 2016. RB is a beneficiary of the rigged election and further Lungu has dropped RB’s Corruption cases from the Court. So RB says HH is in Prison becoz he has refused to recognize Lungu as President but not becoz he committed Treason. Failure or refusal to recognize Lungu is not a Crime so how does Treason arise? Why should HH recognize a Vote Thief and a Law Breaker as a Legitimate President? HH has no reason to recognize illegality. HH Petitioned the Election and that Petition must heard without. “An injury for one is an injury for all of us”. Lungu and RB have injured HH and all of us. Lungu and RB will pay the price for rigging elections and persecuting HH and his workers. Lungu and RB will lose this…
This RB D1ck head 1diot is the reason why Zambia is wallowing in PF sh1t now.
Rupiah Banda you are the one advising Edgar to behave the way he is behaving. You are a very bad mentor who has contributed to these problems we are facing now. I remember Nawakwi warning Edgar about Rupiah who has no heart for this country except to loot all the Government coffers. Rupiah is very corrupt that’s why he served only for three years.
Nonsense! Nothing sensible comes out of this man. It’s all about him and his sons. Nincompoop!
Ba Upnd this is free advise from a former President instead of listening you are showing us your true colours no respect but just full of insults and hatred. You can have the best manifesto but it’s what is in your heart that matters and people have seen what type of people you are full of hatred And malice.
100% correct Mambwe. upnd doesn’t see the value of the advice in these instances. Remember when MCS chose hh and asked him to work with him?? If hh had seen MCS as an elder statesman who he can learn a lot from, today there wouldn’t be any of what is going on, he would be PRESIDENT…
Who said dictatorship is bad. This is what we need in Zambia because you’re too recless and lazy. If a dictator is bringing good things and allowing freedom of speech movement expression then that dictator is good.
Every person has rights. Eg my rights would allow me to make noise and the other person rights would be to live in a quiet place. Human rights have limits and comes with responsibility. Don’t break the laws or infringe upon others rights while you are enjoying your so called rights.
RB is a failure, looter and a big hypocrite. Stop misleading the country we love through your henchman. During your tenure all you did is unwise stuff. Grow up old man
HH is a rebel leader
I strongly say the country is not in a dictatorship.To call Zambia a dictatorship is simply wrong.What is at fault or wrong in the country today is that the democratic process and procedures are being abused to the extent that basic human rights are not respected.This is what many citizens see as a dictatorship.Perhaps, and what I feel should happen is for organisations such as LAZ, the church bodies, human rights organisation the opposition parties to constantly engage and work with the government to correct the wrongs.Without having to be confrontational to the extent that the country becomes ungovernable. The judiciary should at all times be seen to be strong and independent in the eyes of the public.
That’s why we rejected RB because he does not reason. His cases have been dropped and he enjoys ECL’s govt. LeAve K K alone because he is very old now and cannot make proper judgment. This country is a dictatorship. We need credible leadership starting from plot one to all who advise the presidO. Lungu is a failed leader.
RB’s tongue is stained. Let him stay away from making fallacious comments on issues of public concern. It does matter who speaks and what they say. RB is a criminal on the loose.
All you whining about dictatorship were not there in the Kaunda days. Zambia was under a State of Emergency Law from 1964 to 1991. I was there and i understand how dictators govern… With all the madness we see on social media today ati we are now officially a dictatorship. Sorry to say this… i miss KK, maybe he would have cleaned up this nonsense.
Yes cleaned up this nonsense and have empty shelfs………..
I thought the Police warned us, if they don’t follow up on these remarks then I will conclude that the announcement was fake, it was published by the enemies of our government
RB, Zambia’s second worst presido, after Rungu!
The PF kaponyas are supporting RB because they know without MMD the PF theives would not have done anything in GRZ except stole.
The kaponyas seem to be signing praise for RB knowing he has infiltrated and taken over PF.
Indeed it was RB who said their great leader Sata could not get an erection…..
A father was telling a son to sit down. The son refused. Then the Father pressed the son on the shoulders until he got him sit down. Then the son told the Father that even if he is seen sited in his heart he is standing.
It’s only those who are eating with Lungu who are insisting that HH must recognize ecl before dialogue could be held.
The hugely compromised, bought,and without flock christians are in the forefront.
HH did the right thing to take matter to court.
Lungu has made 2 grave errors
1. Created a treason charge for his rival.
2. He had spurned reasonable voices to dialogue.
If Lungu knows the results were credible and in favour under severe scrutiny then he would be willing to open the boxes and SHAME THE DEVILS.
But we know that he will never open the boxes for fear of the TRUTH.
If a suspect shop lifter refuges to be searched……
if a suspect rapist refuses to take a DNA test…….
if a suspect robber refuses to stand on an identity line-up.. ….
if suspected lungu refuses to let nation hear the UPND petition against stealing votes…….
I will let you PF kaponyas fill in the blanks.
Tongas are big asses!
@Tilizon! it is not about Tongas, its about Zambia setting a very bad precedence. Nshili mutonga but i look at things objectively and with a sober mind, and not like your Lungu who is always drank. mulekwata amano, tribe will not and will never put food on your table. We need strong institutions in this country and not strong men.
This is a democratic republic national full time.
Thank you so much RB
The Zambian presidential legacy of fear of a vibrant & ambitious vice-president: Kaunda fired Kapwepwe, Musokotwane etc; Chiluba harassed Levy, Christon Tembo & Miyanda; Levy fired Nevers replacing him with Rupiah; Sata ensured that his was barred by law & ECL has Inonge. Zambia the mediocre country!
I wonder why tongas such as “spaka like lilo,Nzolo,etc” cant see sense in any truth said by Zambians who do not support HH.
WHAT RB SAID IS 100% CORRECT!!IF HH CONCEDED DEFEAT IN 2016,HE COULD BE FREE TODAY, ENJOYING PEACE AT HIS HOME!!i know any loss is bad.but for the sake of peace,HH could have conceded defeat like KK&RB did in 1991 and 2011.look,before American voted in 2016,the whole world expected Hillary Clinton to win.But Mr Trump won and Hillary Clinton conceded defeat forthwith despite romours stating that Russia rigged elections in fovour of Mr Trump!!so whether HH lost unfairly or fairly,since ECZ declared Edgar Lungu as 2016 winner and all big international organizations such as UN,EU,AU,SADC,COMESA and powerful nations like…
If a suspect shop lifter refuses to be searched……if a suspect rapist refuses to take a DNA test…….if a suspect robber refuses to stand on an identity line-up.. ….if lungu refuses to let nation hear the UPND petition against his stealing votes…….
I will let you PF kaponyas fill in the blanks.
Continue…
and powerfu nationals like America,UK,Russia,Germany,France,SA,etc recognized Edgar Lungu as Zambian president and declared 2016 elections as free and fair,there is nothing HH can or will do about it until 2021.the earlier upnd realised this fact,the better for them.THINKING ON TRIBAL LINES WONT HELP UPND MEMBERS IN ANYWAY!!2016 ELECTIONS ARE HISTORY AND NOBODY SHALL REMOVE ECL FROM STATE HOUSE BEFORE NEXT ELECTIONS IN 2021!!
HH was shocked in 2016 so its you members to help him.move on and prepare for 2021 elections!!!
Njimbu
I asked you why UPND are barred from having meeting , peacfull rallies or marches.
Not more than 2 UPND officials are allowed to meet at any place.. ..why ? What is lungu afraid of ?
Meimatungu,
Can you please speak with the help of empirical evidence? It is the epitome of intellectual incapacity and, indeed, very irritating to speak without backing your arguments with unimpeachable evidence. Maybe you were too young to have experienced the dictatorship of Kaunda’s reign when just holding a press briefing as Archbishop Telesphore Mpundu did on Friday would have landed him, together with all those present, in the cells.
@55 Facts
A dictatorship, such as president Lungu’s regime has no regard for empirical evidence. Were that not the case, UPND’s petition case would long have been given a hearing by the courts. While the Judiciary and the Legislature were created to exist separately and independent from the Executive branch, that is hardly the case in Zambia right now. Both the Judiciary and the Legislature, are subservient to president Lungu’s regime. They do what he tells them to do. Do I need to provide empirical evidence for that? Probably not. It’s either you see it or you don’t. The fact that Kaunda was a dictator does not mean that Lungu is not one. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Quote from Meimatungu: “Do I need to provide empirical evidence for that? Probably not. It’s either you see it or you don’t.”
Need I say more? This quotation above speaks volumes about the UPND mindset.
@ 55.2 Facts:
If you name is “Facts,” then, I expect you to be factual. You are not. What, in the world of “facts” is a “UPND mindset”? What is that? The FACT is that, a dictatorship will always endeavor to fuse the three organs of government (the Legislature, the Judiciary and the Executive), all three taking orders from the command center – the Supreme ruler. Do you need empirical evidence to prove this to be the case right now in Zambia? This is like having the person who makes the law becoming the person who arrests you the following day, for violating the law he made the previous day. When you report to the courthouse a week later, you find the same person who arrested you is the same one now presiding over your case as judge to hear your case. What chance do you have? Of…
@ 55.2 Facts:
…. Of what good is any empirical evidence then? And yet you claim to be “Facts!” The fusion of the three organs of government is the litmus test for a dictatorship – any dictatorship. In Zambia, we are seeing that unfold before our very eyes. It’s either you see it or you don’t. That is the fact. It’s not UPND mindset.
@ 55.2 Facts:
A dictatorship is a dictatorship for that very reason. It is able to bake its own cake and eat it. Edgar Lungu committed that heinous road rage crime in Mongu and then turned around and arrested HH for having committed the crime – the perpetrator arresting the victim for the crime that he, the perpetrator committed. And here you are singing a song about “EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.”
Nanga vima Donkey vimvela?
Yhis the Bishop heading the Catholic Church in Ndola Diocese has dismissed stories of a crisis in Zambia. What else did he say? He quoted the Bible where it tells us that the aggrieved party is the one who should seek reconciliation in order that there may peace. Like I predicted last night other Catholic bishops do Not agree with Telesbore. Where does this leave Telesbore?
I can’t wait, for AI to take control and will see which side of history will be on.
1. Vi ma UPNDonkeys ni vizende. Just leave them to rot until they come to their senses after 2021.
2. Pleaae amend the Constitition to make a provision to appoint a Special Advisor to the President for Donkey Affairs at Cabinet level. His main function is to assist the President appreciate donkey problems for which he seems to be ill prepared as were all of us since never in the history of our country have we had real donkeys as part of our politics and democracy. The Special Advisor should be an eminently qualified Veterinary Surgeon with Donkey psychology so as to quickly appreciate exactly what problems the UPNDonkeys party is facing and advise the President accordingly. I think that this is the most logical thing to do. At the moment Mr Lungu is ill equipped to handle the…
At the moment Mr Lungu is ill equipped to handle the UPNDonkeys. If you take my advice it is just a matter of time before UPNDonkeys will come to.their senses and shed off the bulky head of a donkey. Pazapita ntawi but we can make the results.
@spaka like lilo:
Indeed you are not in Zambia and only comment after reading lies on Zambian watchdog.
If there is a party in Zambia which meets publicly almost every week to address the nation,then that has to be upnd!!even last friday a lot of upnd cadres led by gbm,garry nkombo,mutale nalumango sorrounded Telesphore Mpundu as he read upnd propaganda about ECL.in mongu were hh committed treason,he met hundreds of upnd cadres openly,etc.SO WHY DO YOU LIE THAT UPND MEMBERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ASSEMBLE OPENLY?
LOOK OUR NATIONAL PEACE IS MORE VITAL THAN HH’S DAILY RANTINGS.IF THE POLICE SAYS,NO RALLIES NOW,ALL MUST OBEY BECAUSE IF OUR OPPOSITION LEADERS MEET,ALL THEY DO IS INCITING THE PUBLIC TO RISE AGAINST THE GOVNT!!can the any Govnt allow that nonsense?no,maybe only in your…
If HH is allowed to be having rallies,all he can be doing is inciting Zambians saying” PF stole our votes,increased electricity,fuel,jailed upnd cadres,petition is not heard,why are you watching,rise up and fight for yourself”.
All HH is interested in is to cause trouble in Zambia since its not him in state house-shame!!
Like RB put it,HOW CAN HH FEEL IF HE WINS 2021 ELECTIONS.ECZ DECLARES HIM AS 2021 WINNER,THEN PRESIDENT EDGAR LUNGU REFUSES TO CONCED DEFEAT?HH WOULD. E VERY UPSET!!mature politicians do like what Dr.KK and RB did after losing elections and not what HH did in 2016!!HIS ACTIONS IN OTHER COUNTRIES WOULD CAUSE CIVIL WAR!!so if our opposition parties are led by selfish politicians such as hh,then its better to have A ONE PARTY STATE AND ENJOY PEACE THAN HAVING U5…
Stop lying……..just last month lungu refused UPND to have a solidarity rally for their incarcerated leader.
What is worrying and disheartening most people and the electorate in Zambia is the continued presence of and being in the limelight by two Former Presidents Kaunda and RB Banda.
Both became very unpopular and the electorate rejected them.
RB Banda refused to concede defeat for fear that Sata would lock him up.RB Banda went to an extent of telling the Military and OP to do “Something” to stop Sata getting into State House. Thanks to General Wisdom Lopa, as Army Commander who refused, for it would have culminated in blood shade in Zambia. General Lopa should be honored for the Patriotic Stance he took on behalf of the people of Zambia.
It took KK and former American Ambassador to Zambia,to convince RB to concede defeat, after assuring him that Sata wouldn’t lock him up.RB unwillingly…
RB what are u doing in town go ku farm ku nyakutwa,leave town to the young ones your time is over in town.You dont believe that u re no longer president,master of corruption.Go ku farm otherwise we shall loose respect for u.just keep quite
HH can never accept the results for the simple reason that the irregularities in last August’s elections were very obvious. He was denied the right to be heard. The concourt should have heard that petition and all these problems would not be here.I’m not a fan of either PF or UPND but just speaking as patriotic citizen wishing to see peace in my country
he’s a bum of a father..he should make sure he doesn’t take sides..already Zambia is orphaned..get lost kanitundila
RB is precise and correct on the matter.
How is it the out of the entire world it is only HH and his followers who believe that the August 2016 elections are not won by Lungu?
All overseers – both local and international attest to the fact that Lungu won, only HH saw nothing else.
RB is a selfish man who has no heart for this Country. Look how he looted the government coffers in just 3 years of being in power. Corruption became worse just after Mwanawasa worked hard to stamp out corruption. Banda is an indirect President of Zambia, Lungu is just a figure head. Don’t mind him he is a beneficiary of Pf government silly man not worthy to be called man of wisdom.
RB’s advice has been misconstrued by some bloggers [email protected] you got it right i guess you did literature.What RB meant is as long as HH meets ELC he will not accord him the respect that a republican president deserve because he does not recognize him as duly elected thereby inviting court cases upon his life.Of course he has the right not to recognize him but it should be within the law.
look at all these thieves..people without backgrounds insulting the hard working Tongas,..that’s why you will never ever be free ..you are cursed to the end..God liberate Zambia
But ba mudala aba, yayi mwandi. and he was our president, imagine!
These upnd chaps do not heed to advice because they are not patriotic to their country. Just by reading their comments above, u can tell that they are very bitter kachemas. Let them continue day dreaming !
ASK THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF CHAD? HE GOT LIFE. TIME WILL SURELY COME…………WINA AZALILA, PEOPLE ARE GETTING FED UP.
Mr. President you are right! “Zambia slipped into dictatorship” is in the heads of losers – UPND! They are a tribal party.