THE CATHOLIC Bishops in charge of reconciliation between President Edgar Chagwa Lungu and opposition leader Hakainde Hichilema say they have merely sown the seeds in the ground and it is too soon to tell if the process will bear desired fruits.
Speaking to journalists shortly after Catholic Archbishop Telesphore Mpundu and Alick Banda held a meeting with President Lungu this morning following their meeting with Hichilema last week, Archbishop Mpundu asked journalists to be a little patient noting that the process has had some ups and downs.
ZCCB president Telesphore Mpundu said that Bishops have heard both President Lungu and Mr. Hichilema’s sides and that the nation will updated on the progress.
“We went to hear one side and we brought what we heard from him to the President and now we came to convey what we heard from him (Hichilema) to the President,” Archbishop Mpundu said.
“There is no conclusion, we are just beginning. The process has its own ups and downs but hopefully the ups and downs are going up so we will see after some time whether we have made progress or not. We can not pre-empt now when we have just started. You are being too impatient. We have just put seeds in the soil and you are waiting for it to be harvested.”
He added that the role of the Catholic Bishops was to be mediators of communication between the two leaders.
And National Guidance Minister Godfridah Sumaili has thanked the church for the role they have have chosen to support dialogue.
She encouraged all other churches to additionally pray for peace and unity in the nation.
“It is a process and we have to allow the process to take its course.What is important is something is being done,” she said.
“And to all the churches out there I want to encourage them to pray for peace in our nation, unity and also to use their pulpits to talk their congregants about the importance of patriotism, loving our nation. And the importance of being One Zambia, One Nation.”
After meeting the Catholic Bishops next in line for Edgar Lungu is to meet with electoral defeat .
Another reconciliation should start next week, between Kambwili and Edgar.
Though nothing substantial has been given. We still wait to hear the way forward
This a waste of the President’s time!
Release all the innocent people in Zambia’s prisons and detention centres and not just those with money. We have people serving for witchcraft etc..
Mandela was ready to reconcile as a result he met with the white govt as early as 1985 FYI and that’s when the process of his release began!!!!
Human Hyena (HH) and his supporters need to understand that HH is not a Mandela, the chap is just a low life privatisation ex-crook, a bitter inbred cretin who was name Hichilema because he is a cursed soul by virtue of everything it touches, HH has been used to getting his way and thinking he is ordained to become President! The cretin has been rejected 5 times for goodness sake!!! How dull does one have to be to read the writing on the wall!
Luke 12 :13
13 Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.”
14 Jesus replied, “Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?” 15 Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.”
16 And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. 17 He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’
18 “Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19 And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.”’
20 “But God said to him, ‘You fool! This…
20 “But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’
21 “This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.”
What reconciliations are people talking about, what HH wants is to be declared winner, short of that No Deal!
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Your Mr lungu has never contested an election without the use of violence, intimidation and cheating……LAZ did not take away his law licence for nothing.
It is unlikely that HH will listen to the church of the ‘anti-Christ’ if he is a real Seventh-day Adventist. The bishops should have co-opted one of the SDA leaders into their delegation in order to pump some sense into HH’s head.
I don’t see anything wrong with State House, except that wood behind the bishops. It is unsightly. Is that the way to the tunnels? Just asking! kikikikikiki
I see there is need for new state house..
HOW IMPARTIAL IS Telesphore Mpundu AND HIS GROUP BECAUSE THEY FIRST ISSUED A SCATHING ATTACK ON ECL BEFORE REALISING THEY HAD TO ACT AS PEACE MAKERS?
NOTWITHSTANDING MY COMMENTS, I WISH THEM LUCK FOR THE SAKE OF THE COUNTRY!!
Stating a fact is not a ‘scathing attack’! Truth hurts.
@3.1 Nick! you must be UPND and or Tonga.. but remember Bishop Mpundu was claiming to represent the church not your part like you r doing, because you are not factual though you cant agree.
We can already tell that (HH) Kaponya wants an easy way out. what a cheap pimp.
He has no genuine intentions for dialogue. He and his clique hired Telescope Mpundu to discredit our leadership and dent our country’s image. to their surprise no one believed their dirty gymnastics
There no easy way out for HH he realises that Zambia democracy will come at price from the budding dictator Mr lungu…
can we move on please … this laziness of always talking about two individuals who cant agree on anything is so draining and diverting the nation from the corruption which should be uprooted in Government?? To me they are both cry babies… one is a coward bully and the other one is spoilt child!
@5 GBros, I would have agreed with you but for the fact that these two individuals have the power to start a war! Yes, both have great character flaws but they are the leaders we have chosen for ourselves. So, let’s make sure they make peace, otherwise, our lives will be chaotic.
5.1 only one among the two has power to start the war the other one would have had already started it if he had power to.
The only good thing here is seeing Telesphore Mpundu calling H.E Edgar Lungu as president while simply refering to HH as him.this fact must sink into upnd cadres that in Zambia we only have one Republican President and that is Edgar Chagwa Lungu!!
HH’s treason case is now forgotten and nobody is talking about it in Zambia today.hence he (HH) can remain in Mukobeko longer for Zambia to keep on enjoying peace!!
PLUS PRESIDENT EDGAR LUNGU MUST ALLOW THE LAW TO TAKE ITS COURSE IN HH’S TREASON CASE AS NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW IN ZAMBIA!!
@Njimbu, your dullness is really interesting.
@6 Njimbu, why do you feel the need to speak fo.olishly all the time? At this point, I expected you to have some positive comment on what the Bishops are trying to achieve but alas, only dung comes out of your head. Please reclaim some sanity, wherever you lost it, before making any more utterances on this public forum.
At least the bishops have planted a seed..! Avoid unearthing the seed. It is brittle. It may break. Leave the germination to God and wait for the right time to harvest!!!
YOU MEAN TO SAY CATHOLIC BISHOPS BRIEF KA LUNGU ON THEIR MEETING WITH PRESIDENT HH.
Presidents stay at State House not mukobeko NEZ. A mukobeko president for mentally retarded creatures. NEZ and his convict president.
Presidents stay at State House not mukobeko NEZ. A mukobeko president for mentally retarded creatures. NEZ and his convict president.
have respect you immbecile of the year .
Waste of time they are just going to the state house for a cup of tea and to take pictures…how do you reach a dialogue with a locked up person in jail for a fake case….the dialogue will start as soon as he is released from prison….sorry folks.
@9 Dweny Mwamba, WHO will release him when even HH himself declared that “ONLY THE COURTS WILL FREE US” those last week he contradicted himself to Bishops that “he could not dialogue while in prison”. This matter is not as easy we may wish it to be.. even Bishops are now seeing how difficult it is reason with certain political “leaders”!!
Good job Catholic Bishops! At least you are trying to bring sanity between the two leaders. As to the so-called evangelical pastors, bwafya. They praise God with one hand lifted up and with the other they accept brown envelopes. God is watching!
Both HH and ECL are full of themselves, selfish and proud. None is better than the other that’s why the country is where it is today.
THE ONLY RECONCILIATION NEEDED HERE IS FOR HH TO RECONCILE WITH HIMSELF. HE NEEDS TO COME TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT THE LOST ELECTION IS NOW WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE. YOU CAN BLAH…BLAH…BLAH….BLAH, BUT NOTHING HAS HAPPENED, AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. HE HAS TRIED TO BAD-MOUTH ZAMBIA TO THE OUTSIDE, BUT THAT HAS NOT YIELDED ANYTHING FOR HIM. 2021 IS DRAWING NEARER AND AGAIN HE WILL LOSE AND WILL HAVE TO START FACING THE CONCOURT AND SEVERAL OTHER COURTS AGAIN AS HE DID LAST TIME.
Honestly I don’t see the need for reconciliation here. Catholic Bishops should concentrate on building Catholic Mall now.
HH should simply go through the normal court processes like any other citizen of the country.
He broke the law in Mongu and he should pay for it. No one is above the law.
Uuuuuuuuum!kutiwaseka mwe………..Anyway its PHD’s(Pull Him Down) syndrome in some of us.
I fail to understand what Reconciliation the BCCZ expected between a Prisoner and the Jailer? Did the Catholic Bishops expect the Prisoner to concede defeat over the 2016 Disputed and Petitioned Election and apologize for his imprisonment to the Jailer as a condition for his Release from Jail? This is weird thinking to say the least! What were the Bishops Reconcialing? The Prisoner feels he did not commit Treason and wants his name cleared in Court. There is No connection between Treason and Recognition. Treason is a Crime but failure to Recognize Lungu is not a Crime. After the Prisoner is set free then he can dialogue with Lungu on why he refuses to Recognize him as a Legitimate President. The Petition must be heard. Period.
@8 NEZ, so whom do you think underfive is trying to dialogue with? Whom do you think underfive believes will release him from gaol? Why cant he release hmself? Who can change things? Why is underfive talking to ECL and not the prisons commissioner? Of course The President of Zambia His Excellency Edgar Chagwa Lungu, the man who travels in Eagle-1.
Look here, underfive has already acknowledged who is President, never mind what you think.
What is wrong with UPNDonkeys kanshi? Wasting everybody’s time on donkey racing and even enjoying keeping underfive away from his wife and children.. By the way do his children visit him?
…..and when they visit I hear they ask him why he has chosen gail to his home in new Kasama and whats so special about a Presidency that he has failed to attain five times and will never attain anyway as long as he does things and associates with people who can only lead him one way: to Mukobeko.
The prisoner and the president…what dialogue can take place between them? This is like the plot of a Hollywood thriller movie. Can’t wait to see how it all ends.
Really I have no confidence in these two persons. Come 2021, they should be archived to the political dust bin. Zambia wont go anywhere with either of the two at the helm. We need a French Emmanuel type of broom in Zambia to sweep such mediocre leadership out of the country.The MCS project is a failure while UPND post 2006 is a disaster. New leadership is required in Zambia. Let the Catholic bishops realise this.
It is good to see mature bishops handling issues in a very mature way. Bishop Banda and reverend Mwanza were just frustrating people by their constant attacks on people opposed to government. Catholic bishops are acting as middle men now without taking sides. We hope to see positive results.
Why is Telespho wasting peoples time? People did not vote for HH. They voted for ECL What do you want kanshi? Are you a foolish Bishop who is failing to understand peoples views and must only get yours?
I am very impressed with Catholic Bishops for their fighting for unity. But Where is the SDA?
The SDA is not a political organization.
COUNTRY MEN LETS PRAY FOR OUR CHURCH LEADERS FOR THIS WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY OF BRINGING PEACE N THE NATION .I PRAY FOR OUR RULING PARTY AND HIS HIS EXCELLENCE THE PRESIDENT TO GIVE PEACE A CHANCE . LETS ASK FOR JESUS CHRIST BLESSING IN HELPING PF AND UPND COME TOGETHER IN THE NAME OF PEACE AS WE ARE ONE NATION .
I PRAY THAT PEACE WILL PREVAIL BY FORMING GOVERNMENT OF NATIONAL UNITY AND THIS WILL HELP OUR PF TO RULE ZAMBIA AND DELIVERY MUCH NEEDED DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE COUNTRY.
I STILL BELIEVE THE MAGIC FORMULA LIES ON THE WINNER OF ELECTIONS -ECL AND THE LOOSER HH TO WORK TOGETHER FOR PEACE. IE PRESIDENT LUNGU CAN ASK FOR CHANGE OF THE CONSTITUTION BY OUR MPs TO INN ACT A POSITION OF PM AND REMOVE THE POST OF VICE PRESIDENT .THIS WAY HE CAN APPOINT HH AS THE PRIME MINISTER…
Nothing is worse than a long unending conversation where you have to go back and figure out who is saying what. Tags are not needed after every line though. Bishop will do the trick and actually will gets ignored by HH the UPND reader . Characters say their lines. If the couple is having a fight, the dialogue can be a quick back and forth. hichilema please accept so zambia moves on for the beater iwe chimbwi!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I plainly said on this forum that HH is not going to accept so called negotiations with ECL because he just wants to be set free without facing judicial proceedings and to have his conditions or wishes priorities.ZCCB now have come to realize that they were very unwise by siding only on oppositions (HH) . This matter of sowing a seed was supposed to be done 6 months ago. Not now after Mr mpundu had also increased political pressure…let wait and watch how his seed shall be.
I plainly said on this forum that HH is not going to accept so called negotiations with ECL because he just wants to be set free without facing judicial proceedings and to have his conditions or wishes priorities.ZCCB now have come to realize that they were very unwise by siding only on oppositions (HH) . This matter of sowing a seed was supposed to be done 6 months ago. Not now after Mr mpundu had also increased political pressure…let wait and watch how his seed shall be.
True waste of time. The guy lost and if he had borrowed money for his campaign let him just apply for bankruptcy. I am genuinely fed up of pampering losers who have been complaining since 2001. Mwanawasa beat them so did Nyama Soya followed by Sata then Edgar x 2. Let him to Mars and become president of the extraterrestrials.
Am looking for Mushota
why?
were?
do you want to f.u.c.k her?
FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS SHOULD WITHDRAW THEIR STATEMENT OF CALLING ECL A
A DICTATOR BEFORE THEY WENT TO SEE HIM, IN FACT HE IS A GOOD MAN TO HAVE EVEN GIVEN THEM AUDIENCE WITHOUT DEMANDING THAT THEY RETRACT THEIR STATEMENT OF CALLING ECL A DICTATOR, WHERE IS THE IMPARTIALITY HERE. ECL IS THE SITTING REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WHETHER HH AND HIS UPND LIKE IT OR NOT, THEY MUST ACCEPT AND RECOGNISE HIM. ALL AUTHORITY IS FROM GOD.
After going through most of these responses/reactions i still remain to be tutored on what is it that H.E ECL president of the Republic of Zambia and HIM HH UPND party president ought to be reconciled on?. please let some one help me. the other question is what happens after the reconciliation if there is any to be?. To the bishops why is HH incarcerated?, is he wrong or not? am sure this is yet to be credibly ascertained by the courts of law. am not coming from the legal fraternity but i feel (i stand to be collected on this please don’t misjudge me) the steps taken so far by the bishops have a bearing of some extent to contempt of court because the matter is still in court. what would be wrong to wait for the verdict and then commence what is being tabled today by the bishops?. please…
Talking about dictators. hh come using the tonga tribal card to be upnd president. No convention has been held ever since. Where is the democracy. No one in upnd is man enough to challenge hh, they are all weaklings. The church which is fighting for his release are the Catholics whom sdas detest. The Bishops who went to visit hh are an Easterner and a Northener who you call monkeys and rats. When campaigns start your hh will go to the same provinces to ask for votes from the people you hate with a passion. What kind of people.
HH prime minister in a GNU?? If ECL can purge anyone in PF he considers a threat to his 2021 hallucinations, do you think he can accept HH to be near him as PM. That cannot work. That’s not the modus operandi of his Excellency the President. ECL is the Great Leader – the Alpha and Omega. The people he wants to be near him are Davies Mwila, Freedom Sikazwe, Nathan Chanda and Bowman Lusambo – not HH.
Anyway continue dreaming, a bit of dreaming is good for the soul.