The Zambian Constitution is clear on issues of gay and lesbian rights-President Hichilema

1. And now we wait for IMF and their mouthpieces to talk. The more he continues avoiding straight answers on gay rights the more US and IMF delays in shock.
   DOLLARS AND GAY vs POVERTY AND POOR THINKING.

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2. Among some Zambians, the gay rights issues is more important than the rampant corruption, high unemployment , high cost of living, poor health facilities, covid 19 etc.
   Strange people indeed.

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3. PF leadership does not learn. The same issues that lost them an election like gays rights are being brought to the forefront as their message of hope to win back power. What strategy is that? How can such a part like that rebrand? Same old message that was rejected by Zambians. Most Europens countries and USA gays rights have accepted them but it does not mean that we cannot do business with them. Most of us were educated in their instiutions sometimes sitting next to a gay person but we never turned gay and never accepted their gay rights. Left them there, it is their choice. We have our choices and values. PF chaps like Lubinda are destroying PF. No strategy at all and talk about rebranding. Let young guys take over PF not these old chaps like Lubinda, their time is over. Let him…

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4. He has cleared the dust because Given Lubinda and Raphael Nakachinda thought they can tarnish his name with such falsehood.

   They are really failed politicians not worth listening to.

   Zambian forward!

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5. Honestly can he say YES WE DISCUSSED ETC?

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6. PF PROPAGANDA BEING PUT TO SLEEP
   BUT THE ISSUE OF GAY RIGHTS WILL NOT DISSAPEAR
   WE KEEP HEARING AGAINST OUR CUSTOM WHAT CUSTOM
   90 % 0F OUR WOMEN WEAR WIGS AND WESTERN FASHION LIPSTICK ETC ETC
   MEN IN WESTERN SUITS AND LATEST FASHIONS
   SO LETS STOP TALKING NONSENSE
   WE ARE ALL GODS CHILDREN WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT !!!
   AND DONT MENTION THE BIBLE WRITTEN 4,000 YEARS AGO ITS OUT DATED
   AND ONLY USED BY PASTORS TRYING TO EXTRACT THE LAST OF YOUR HARD EARNED BUCKS

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7. LUBINDA AND NACHINDA RAISE YOUR GAME IF YOU WANT TO BE RELEVANT, RESERVE THAT MUGULU MAYBE FOR YOUR CHILDREN.

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8. He hasn’t cleared anything…read between the lines…he’s a Politician…what he discusses with his gay Funders is different from what he says to his voters….no wonder his government is so disorganized…and tomorrow someone will issue a statement contrary to what baby President is saying…we have already gotten uses to chipante pante Government

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9. Well said, Mr. President! While the majority of us is focussed on developmental issues only, some conniving few are busy trying to sow seeds of confusion and putting stumbling blocks in your way.. They should all just sit down and let the new government perform!

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10. That last statement says it all about what’s coming. The tolerance HH and UPND talk about is just lip service. You’re itching to follow in PF’s footsteps because you have no plan, nothing to show, zilch, nada! A leopard can hide in the bush but can never change its color. 2 months full of talk no action. You don’t seem to have heard about the saying, empty barrels make the loudest noise. Braze ourselves for the worse.

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11. SPAKA, SPAKA, SPAKA,

    You are a blind follower. One minute you say, cadres will not return. The next day you say its very good to have them back on bus stops and markets. Listen to HH your God. You f**kin brainless D**head

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12. The thought of, ‘I now pronounce you man and man, you may kiss your man’ scares the $h*t out of 90% of Zambians.

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13. 1. CONFINDENCE without CLARITY, to what you are doing leads to Disaster
    2. CLARITY without the CONFINDENCE, to take actions also leads to Disaster

    It just appears like you are at loggerheads with the Home Affairs Minister Jack mwiimbu and Mwaliteta. Then again, you have the ultimate voice.

    HH give these cadres incentives and roadmaps to get out of this cycle of Harassing People, Over-Crowding, Pick-Pocketing Travellers, Dumping Filthy on Bus-stops, and Markets. Address the youth and tell them what Programs, Curriculars, Skillset Training you will offer them. You have promised them all that is good under your administration. If you don’t, they will turn against you. Remember the Arab Uprising that shook North Africa & Middle East.

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14. If UPND is allowed what about the alliance partners, where are they going to open offices? just find other places and plots to establish offices that will stand the test of time. Having branches in markets and bus stations is light thing.

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15. Given Lubinda and Raphael Nakachinda are a spent force, widely rejected by Zambians through an election which themselves were very much against the opposition using the Police, they are trying to save face. Genuine PF members do not even want them

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16. Dont dance to their tune by wasting your time to talk about the same thing over and over again…we know that is a topic that zambians will never entertain instead squeeze the jelly out their eyes on the scandals they left behind

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17. By the way. HH you have just returned from the USA. What about this below from the claims you made now in the archives.

    
    { LUSAKATIMES – 19 OCTOBER 2019 }

    “Mr Hichilema has revealed that private investors from the US have pledged to invest over US$25.8 billion in Zambia in the first 5 years of his administration. Mr Hichilema was speaking in Washington DC at the Woodrow Wilson Centre where he discussed the State of Play in Zambia. “

    .+++ Can you shed some more light on this, and who is who coming to invest in Zambia? Or was just another campaign rhetoric or lies from you ?

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18. By the way. HH you have just returned from the USA. What about this below from the claims you made now in the archives.

    { LUSAKATIMES – 19 OCTOBER 2019 }

    “Mr Hichilema has revealed that private investors from the US have pledged to invest over US$25.8 billion in Zambia in the first 5 years of his administration. Mr Hichilema was speaking in Washington DC at the Woodrow Wilson Centre where he discussed the State of Play in Zambia. “

    Can you shed some more light on this, and who is who coming to invest in Zambia? Or was just another campaign rhetoric or lies from you.

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19. Independent Observer @ 17

    Thanks for reminding us. You are one of a kind that follow facts all the time. I remember reading this article in 2019. This dude in Plot One is a Narcist . He pretended for 15 years as if he knew the answers to the problems Zambia is facing. Now he is exposed and what he says is contradictory to his ministers and followers. One would have thought he would bring up the $25 Billion he boasted that he had gotten as pledges from investors in 2019 from USA. The man is a sick lair. Mine is to ask all Zambians not to pay schools fees as from January 2022, considering he promised free education. Just another lie from this president who overrates himself

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20. BA PF CADRES…..KUWAYA..WAYA FYE. YOU ARE SHOCKED , THERE IS NO ONE ON CURRENT POLITICAL SCENE WHO CAN BE BETTER THAN HH.
    Just suck it and accept him.

    The gayism sh!T you keep on bringing is as well debunked, just waiting what SLEEPY LUBI is going to say. CAN SOMEONE direct us to the constitution where it says gayism is forbidden in ZAMBIA? Ati christian nation, and yet full of fornication, adultery, thieving, corruption, and you have the guts of brainwashing people.

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21. I just finished watched the full recorded version of this press conference and I am very with HH that he came to his employers to hand in his report of his trip to DC…he was articulate and touched on all issues.

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22. @6-tikki, I wish you know who Jehovah is then you can not say such nonsense about him. Your days are numbered my friend. Don’t mock Jehovah in your life.

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23. The Constitution is clear on the question of gay and lesbian issues but why didn’t these people say so when Edgar C. Lungu was being attacked by the USA ambassador over the imprisonment of the Kapiri gay couple? Instead they rejoiced at fall out.

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24. Absolutely no rights for gays & lesbians in Zambia.We don’t need that filthy social corruption .

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25. THE LEARNED GARY NKOMBO SHOULD NOT ENTERTAIN PROPOSALS FROM CADRES LIKE THE ONE FROM MWALITETA OR ESTABLISHING PARTY BRANCHES IN MARKETS AND BUS STATIONS. PLZ LET THE BRANCHES BE ASSOCIATED WITH RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND NOT WORKING PLACES FOR SAKE OF SANITY IN THE COUNTRY. BO NKOMBO REMEMBER THE STORY OF THE WAHERMAN’S DONKEY . OUR PRESIDENT IS VERY RIGHT TO REMOVE CADRES FROM THE MARKETS AND BUS STATIONS. THE SO CALLED BRANCHES MAY SOONER OR LATER GENERATE ANARCHY . PLZ BO NKOMBO DONT LOWER YOUR CREDIBILITY FOR SAKE OF ENTERTAINING CADRE WHO MAY FURTHER SUGGEST TO YOU TO FORM STRUCTURES EVEN IN PUBLIC OFFICES AND ALL WORKING PLACES. PLEASE LET US MOVE FORWARD WITH GOOG POLICIES OF SASTAINABLE SANITY.

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26. Bath you are right. it looks that mwaliteta and gary nkombo want to form an opposition cartel within upnd. why should they oppose a straight forward and party strategy of maintaining peace and order in public places like markets , bus stations , schools . health centres and other working places. According to the waybi know gary nkombo, i never expected him to entertain such a retrogressive proposal . PLZ bary maintain sanity. people are happy with wha you are doing so far

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27. #10  xFactor
     September 30, 2021 At 9:45 pm

    ” SPAKA, SPAKA, SPAKA,

    You are a blind follower. One minute you say, cadres will not return. The next day you say its very good to have them back on bus stops and markets. Listen to HH your God. You f**kin brainless D**head….”

    You can rant all you want , UPND will have offices in markets and bus stops ……..

    We never said caders will return , having UPND offices and caders is 2 different things only a dum a.ss like you don’t understand…….

    UPND is in now power………..

    sit down and swallow what ever you are given

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28. #17  INDEPENDENT OBSERVER and #18  Wow! My backside…..

    “Mr Hichilema has revealed that private investors from the US have pledged to invest over US$25.8 billion in Zambia in the first 5 years of his administration. Mr Hichilema was speaking in…….”

    Has it been 5 years yet ?

    We know you are in a hurry for developments,……….

    but as HEHH said , things with this new GRZ are done in a methodical way …….we don’t rush.

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29. If our constitution is against gay activities, then ambassador Foote had made an assault on our sovereignty as a country. Like I have always said an attack on one single American will attract the full wrath of the USA. But here we were attacking our Lazy Lungu for calling for the recall of ambassador Foote. Are we only patriotic when we are in power. Lungu was bad but this case was not about Lungu but about defending ( not only when you occupy state house) our constitution as citizens.

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30. scares the $h*t out of 90% of Zambians. ???
    INCORRECT MAYBE 40%

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31. This is the way to govern a country. Infact Mr President you need to be holding these press conferences at least once per quarter so that citizens’ queries are answered, not like the former President Edgar Lungu who never used to speak to the nation. It was a wasted 10 years under PF.

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32. The question was whether the president discussed the issue of gay and lesbian rights while in America and NOT what our constitution says. He avoided the question. If Indeed he believes In our constitution, why did upnd join the then American ambassador Foote in attacking ECL when a gay couple was jailed in kapiri mposhi? Has the constitution changed?
    HH has publicly stated that he wants to embark on constitutional reforms.
    Perhaps this gives us an idea of what exactly they want to reform or change. Filiokotuleya.

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33. ALL YOU MORONS, LGBT MORONS, HAVE YOU HEARD WHAT OUR PRESIDENT HH HAS SAID…NO GAYS AND LESBIANS IN THIS GOD LOVING NATION SO YOU CAN GO AND HANG, YOU DEMONS, SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF THE DEVIL, YOUR EVIL WILL SHALL NEVER COME TO PASS IN THIS NATION. YOU USELESS CREATIONS, WANTING TO USE YOUR SICK MINDS TO PROPAGATE SUCH VILE AND DIRTY BEHAVIOUR. OUR PRESIDENT IS A SMART ONE. YOU WANT TO SPOIL OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS. FOOLISH PEOPLE. HA HA HA HA HA HA LOSERS! JUSTIFYING SICK THINGS. A MAN ON MAN, A WOMAN ON A WOMAN, HETEROSEXUAL *****S
    THANKS TO ALL COMMENTATORS AND BLOGGERS THAT MADE SURE THESE PEOPLE ARE TRASHED, WHITEWASHED AND TRAMPLED O. SO STOP THIS USELESS DEBATE OF YOURS FROM NOW ONWARDS

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34. tikki @7 tikki@30, I have a premonition for you since you always trash God and his instructions and believe in man because you are gay, God says your days are numbered. He wants what he put in you back, and very soon

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35. AT 29.THANKS, WISELY PUT OUT!

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36. This thread is a clear example how our people are easily distracted …they are here debating about issues that remotely concern them or they have no understanding of…if you watched the whole press conference you wouldn’t be wasting your time on this issue.

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37. #32 That’s my point too. So the Constitution only applies when you’re president? My take is that the president is avoiding the question by throwing it to the Constitution. Proof will only come out when we have another case like the Kapiri one. Will the culprits be judged according to the Constitution? Or will someone play clemency? Let’s wait and see.

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38. #35 Tarino but you are here debating
    What a fallacy this world is!!!

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39. We have a serious problem as a Nation. Lubinda and his friends like Lusambo, just want to disrupt the issue of corruption that the PF leaders were engaged in. we don’t eat Gays, we want the stolen money returned. PF are shameless people and should apologize to Zambians on their evil divisive mind. Stop the Gay Nonsense and let HH work for our people. We need to improve lives of Zambians.

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40. @ 37—A FALLACY INDEED, AND A VERY SERIOUS ONE………WANTING TO GAG PEOPLE FROM DEBATING ISSUES. WITHOUT PEOPLE DEBATING IT, WHO KNOWS WHAT WOULD HAVE COME OUT

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41. #29, #32, #36 – @Deja Vu, @SLEEPYJOE
    Can you please paste here which section of the constitution names “Gayism” as being FORBIDDEN in Zambia, and what does the PENAL CODE says regarding who can be charged?. Please can you educate us than just throwing out statements.

42. Which bible are we reading from ? It is amazing how ba PF speak so vehemently against gay and lesbian rights when they cannot condemn adultery which Edgar Lungu committed countless times and corruption that was so rampant during their reign. Hypocrisy at its best…

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43. Actions speak louder than words. This Christian nation and homosexuality that PF thinks are campaign issues are actually nothings. The Zambian People are able to see through the pretence.

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44. @41 GENERAL KANENE. YOU CAN BRING IN GENERAL OZZY IF YOU LIKE..KIKIKIKI. FIRSTLY THE CONSTITUTION IS A MAN MADE DOCUMENT. WE STAND HERE TO DEFEND WHAT WE BELIEVE IN, THE WORD OF WORD THAT ABHORS SUCH ACTS. EVEN IF THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS IT, WE SHALL CONTINUE TO OPPOSE IT. YOUR QUESTION HAS A POINT. AM SURE THE 2 KAPIRI GAYS (MORONS) WHERE JAILED BASED ON SOME SECTION OF IN LEGAL BOOKS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY WHERE SENTENCED FROM WITHOUT. DID YOU REALIZE YESTERDAY THAT OUR JOURNALISTS ARE DULL, THEY SHOULD HAVE ASKED HH TO QUOTE WHICH SECTION OF THE LAW HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, HE NEEDS TO PROVIDE ALL THE ANSWERS, HE HAS ALL THE LEGAL MINDS AT HIS DISPOSAL. BUT YOU HAVE CHALLENGED US, WE SHALL RESEARCH AND COME BACK TO YOU. BUT LIKE SAID, WE SHALL DEFEND GOD AND NOT MAN’S WRITE-UP, WHATEVER…

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45. @42..Leviticus chapter 20, verse 13 reads: “If a man has intercourse with a man as with a woman, both commit an abomination. They must be put to death.” So the Bible’s stance is not just to bash homosexuals ( anal intercourse lovers ) but to murder them. We do not even call for murder in modern times but rehabilitation. Look for a Psychiatric hospital and be treated @42 . DO NOT BE A BLIND BAT. IF ECL COMMITTED COUNTLESS ADULTERIES, HE HAS SINNED. WE CONDEMN HIM BASIS THE WORD OF GOD. PLEASE DO NOT PLAY GOD! YOUR SOUL IS AS LIKE CHAFF IN THE WIND. LET NOT THE ENEMY DECEIVE YOU. WE THANK OUR PRESIDENT HH FOR PUTTING THIS MATTER TO SLEEP. THIS MATTER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATION ROBERT@43, BUT MORALITY FOR HUMAN BEINGS…………

46. The issues of LGBT rights in zambia is not something to waste time on………

    You take aid money from gay people in the west, infact some gay people keep your health service functioning with the frorign aid you receive, yet you want to act holier than thau ?

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47. @SLLEPYJOE,
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR HONESTY, BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU DONT KNOW. AND I WILL BE WAITING FOR YOUR RESEARCH TO EDUCATE US, PLEASE DONT DEFLECT THE CHALLENGE TO HH, ITS YOU GUYS WHO ARE FILLING LT WITH THESE GAYISM AND YOU KEEP ON REFERING TO THE CONSTITUTION.
    BTW: JUST KNOW THAT UNDER PENAL CODE, IF YOUR WIFE DOES YOU…..OR YOU DO HER into her …YOU CAN BE CHARGED FOR THE SAME….8YRS ba..ba

48. In as much as I detest gays especially, I really do not think it is a topic that needs attention and discussion especially that Zambia is facing serious challenges that genuinely affect the masses. What men and men or women and women do in their private (bedrooms) life should not really be such important issue to the extent that we even forget about important issues as corruption, unemployment, clean water, proper housing and many important things lacking for the people at the expense of LGBHT rights. Let us press this govt to work on their campaign promises instead of tolerating this debating after all this issue only affects a few individuals who can be however they want for as long as they do not bring it in public to corrupt kids’ minds and morals.

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49. Life is more than just think economy, economy, economy.

    There are things that are far more important than economy.

    If a country told you that we will give you all the money you need if you allow people freedom to own guns and kill anyhow.
    Will you get the money and allow such freedoms because you think economy is more important?

    Some people have killed their relatives because the ng’anga has told them to do so. Are we going sink so low?

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50. Life is more than just think economy, economy, economy.

    There are things that are far more important than economy.

    If a country told you that we will give you all the money you need if you allow people freedom to own guns and kill anyhow.
    Will you get the money and allow such freedoms because you think economy is more important?

    Some people have killed their relatives because the ng’anga has told them to do so. Are we going sink so low?

51. @48 I QUOTE’ What men and men or women and women do in their private (bedrooms) life should not really be such important issue ‘END OF QUOTE. It is important for some of us because we believe these people bring a CURSE on a people…………….

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