GOVERNMENT says it will hold the Oasis Forum responsible for any lawlessness which may occur during the Southern African Development Community (SADC) heads of State Summit in Lusaka.
The Oasis Forum are planning to hold peaceful demonstrations for five-days during the SADC Summit next week.
The intention is to picket leaders in the region over the perceived disagreement over constitution-making process in Zambia.
But Minister of Justice, George Kunda, said yesterday in Lusaka that it was unfortunate that the Oasis Forum and those bent on derailing the constitutional review process intended to demonstrate against the government during the SADC heads of State summit with a view to compelling Government to follow their constitution review Roadmap.
“Oasis Forum will be held responsible for any damage to property, loss of life or lawlessness which may occur during their planned demonstrations during the Southern Africa Development Community heads of State summit,†he said.
Mr Kunda said demonstrations were not necessary under present circumstances as Government was putting in place a broadly representative body, the National Constitutional Conference (NCC), to adopt the constitution or any part of the constitution as recommended by the Mung’omba Constitutional Review Commission (CRC).
“As Zambians, we are law-abiding and peaceful and should not ferment chaos or lawlessness, especially when we receive distinguished leaders from the SADC region,†he said.
Mr Kunda said in drafting the NCC Bill, Government had consulted stakeholders and accommodated divergent views.
And Minister of Home Affairs, Ronnie Shikapwasha, said the Oasis Forum and the Consultative Group on the Constitution could not guarantee that their planned demonstrations would be peaceful because they were unable to detect elements that may try to disturb the peace.
Lieutenant-General Shikapwasha said in an interview yesterday in Lusaka that any planned demonstrations during the summit could not be allowed to proceed because they were a major security risk.
He said the arguments put forward by the two groups that it was their democratic right to hold peaceful demonstrations “did not hold waterâ€, as it was also the democratic right of Government to maintain law and order, especially during a gathering such as the SADC summit.
“There is really no need for anyone to demonstrate.
We are in control of the security situation in the country and we do not want to see a situation where our visitors will think that we are not, after all, a peaceful country,†he said.
Lt-Gen. Shikapwasha said the Zambia Police Service was capable of dealing with all the security issues of the country and that Government would support them.
Inspector General of Police, Ephraim Mateyo, said he had not seen the notice given by the two groups on their planned demonstrations.
He said, however, that the Lusaka Police Division may have received the notice and that the department would make a decision in the best interest of the nation.
Poor Oasis. You think SADC can intervene in the constitution making process when it is mute over a more serious situation in Zimbabwe? Wake up Oasis.
-No permit should be issued
-Bring the Kamfisa and Lilayi boys with summary mandate on peace management headed by a seasoned paratropper commanding officer
-No regular police involved
-On standby reinforce platoons of Mushili boys a 100 fold to what is in Lusaka west.
– Transfer all detainees to chioko ZNS camp with paratroopers to handle a screening for 14 day process.
-Detain all ring leaders in remote former military training camps scattered around in some the country side for not less than 7 days.
The OASIS Forum is losing it.What is the objective of demostrating during the SADC conference?. This is just intended to embarass us ordinary citizens who are proud to be having this summit on our soil. In any case how will foreigners solve an internal problem in Zambia.
I would urge the Government to arrest the leaders of organisations who are members of oasis forum NA detain them in filthy cells in Kanyama, Ngombe,John laing, Kabangwe and Linda policy posts for the entire duration of the summit.
Don’t say it’s loosing but that it has lost it all. They have become a non strategic cell of vandals driven by emotions, umbrage and Group think fantasy since the sober Rev. Japhet Njobvu left the leadership. They have lost the justified cause from every front the very time they entered into some “unholy alliance” with desperate and PHD (Pull Him down) political vampires. Personally, I have always questioned their constituency and derived mandate to brew anarchy rather than conning their donors for funds to survive. Career and business wise, they are slobs without trails of achievement not even in the public service. Look at the so called Rev. Mususu, a religious failure of a stagnant church in Chilenje. A deep pull on Mwenya brings trails of failures and confused life.
We can see the usual sycophants playing to their cheer-leader’s tune!! What are they really afraid of??
I guess the simple answer for them, is that being so used to use kaponyas in their demonstrations, they take it the civil groups & Oasis forum will demonstrate in their “impish style!” The Civil society has articulated its argument so well that the “PIG” are really having a hard time trying to wriggle their way out of their “swill.” It is a indeed a big challenge & embarrassment to this PIG which is trying to stand on the pulpit of good governance to have this on, whilst they play host to those they are try to rub their influence on. I believe the demos will have the intended effect – to curtail the glee of PIG, becoz all their guests will remind them to “remove the log from their eyes, before offering to remove the specks in the eyes of their guests!” Being humans, it is impossible to guarantee that there won’t be sporadic acts of lawlessness, probably formented by their kaponyas!
Under the Public Order Act, Organizers/Marshalls of an acknowledged public rally/demonstration are liable individually and severally to criminal sanctions for any beakdown of law and order therefrom. Oasis Forum need to take heed. Aside,there’s is a lot of logic and practicality in the concept and process of the NCC as a vehicle of reviewing & enhancing the current Republican Constitution.Zambia is not making a new Consitution, we are merely reviewing in order to adopt the considered proposals gathered by the CRC. This then is an amendment process as opposed to a Constitution “Making Process”. The latter would entail suspension of the current Constitution in its entirety in order to start afresh. I believe that’s not what Oasis Forum is advocating!All we need is to adopt progressive proposals from the CRC Recommendations & through the NCC incorporate them into the current Constitution by way of Amendment. Legality & Legitimacy of the Constitution as such shall still be guaranteed.Thanx
A few swift,decisive political manouevres have rendered the once all powerful Oasis Forum irrelevant and gasping for air!! This is what political engineering is all about!!These demonstrations are the last kicks of a dying horse which will soon have its’ funding withdrawn.
I am sure peace loving Zambian like myself can see that the group has no direction at all. Imwe guys those are bedroom issues! I do not support Chuchu’s leadership but on this I can, there is no need for demonstrate at this stage. Please, do not even say that it is in the best interest of Zambian when in the actual sense you are just using our name. When they will be need we will support you. Not now. Pilishi. Chuchu if this selfish chaps demonstrate, fire Mateyo, wemusebanya ulakula.
#Bauze
It is true that most of you intellectals lack common sense and reason.You are a typical example of people within the OASIS forum.You are not at war.The constitution making issue is a consultative proccess which must take on board all views from various interest sectors from which the OASIS forum and Government are only part. The forum has been so much focused on the procces and very little attention paid to the content.What makes a constitution unacceptable or acceptable after enactment is always the content and not the proccess.
There is absolutlely no reason to be antagonistic and take fixed positions.In any case case most kaponyas are respectful as opposed to those arrogant intellectauls.
#6 your assertions indeed are correct, the problem lies with how the govt/MMD want to implement it. NCC has a majority composition of all MPs, MAJORITY of whom are MMD – making this whole thing lopesided, further, the govt determine the small numbers from the civil societies – in effect they are dictating the whole process, which frankly leaves a sour taste of mistrust, this has led ZCID to fall foul becoz of the same manipulation. We want to see the process evenly handled, with even representation of views. Everyone appreciates not all 11 million zambians can be afforded a seat at such a forum, short of a referendum. So in short, we are against being hoodwinked!! If govt & civil society sit down, as KK’s govt sat down at Cathedral of the Holy cross with “the movement” then, and decide on composition of NCC or whatever, this will erase the air of mistrust, & the sooner we get on with the amendments very much before the next elections, & sooner we can direct all efforts to development!
#9 citizen, very true indeed!! COMMON is very relative, if am among intellectuals, our COMMON sense & reason will BE VERY DIFFERENT as to, if I were to find myself in your group of “common” sense & reason, so I shan’t argue with your observation, but concur!
#bAUZE
I can only refer you to re- read 6 and 8
Ther is is lot of common(Regular,ordinary,marjority)sense and reasonableness
#12 citizen, well have your read #10, there is a lot of common(regular, ordinary, majority) sense & reasonable sense!
Bauze(10&11),would i be off the mark to assume the ruling govt. is of the opinion the Forum is no longer a preferred partner in the review process? I’m also of the opinion they have been “engineered” out of the process.I think their confrontational approach has made this necessary and any govt. would have done the same!!
If the bible was written by people of our times, we wouldn’t have a final copy by now. Just look at the oasis forum.
Demonstration is sign of saying enough is enough of ill treatments, suppressions, oppressions and hidden personal agendum. When pipo demonstrated against FTJ third term during AU meeting in Lusaka, its essence was to expose the dirty swept under the carpet to the outside world and to add sort to an injury it was the time Paul Tembo was ruthless murdered and the impact was heavy for the ruling govt to bear. Therefore, am in support of the Oasis Forum demonstration to expose the MMD govt tactics of twisting the story at the end. Please let the Oasis Forum stage peaceful demonstrations since they are the eyes and voices of most Zambian pipo and there will be no chaos unless cops misbehave and get excited as usual
When did it become unlawfull to hold peacefull demostrations? someone educate me!!
I see no reason why govt should deny the OASIS Forum their right to be heard. This is a test for LPM and his minions. He claims that his govt is a “govt of laws rather than men” but lets his minions issue threats and indimidations to our honoured country men and women.
The OASIS FORUM is comprised of very honourable men and women whose views represent the views of many zambians. These too have the RIGHT TO BE HEARD just as govt has sent out its message on how they prefer things to be done.
Govt has been shifting goal posts for a long time. It is time to give the people what they want. We cannot leave politicians alone to champion the constitutional cause. They have failed us in the past. They will surely fail us this time around because they all have on this in common – to get to plot 1 at ALL COST!!! It is clear that govt is trying to sideline the civil society in the constitutional making process. No wonder they have introduced the STUPID NGO Bill ( which is not bad in and itself but has been done in bad faith)!! We simply cannot leave ZCID(a consortium of political parties) to drive the constitutional crusade.
#7.Original Pundit, do not delude yourself, govts finally, eventually, ultimately bows down to sustained pressure from the masses. Ask KK and chiluba they will tell you.
And talking about KK and FTJ, these boys must NOT be allowed anywhere near the constitution making process. They failed us during their time. We would be setting a bad precedence if when where to include these 2 teenagers. They had nothing to offer then, they have nothing to offer now.
Viva good leadership
VIVA Zambia!!
When did it become unlawfull to hold peacefull demostrations? someone educate me!!
I see no reason why govt should deny the OASIS Forum their right to be heard. This is a test for LPM and his minions. He claims that his govt is a “govt of laws rather than men” but lets his minions issue threats and indimidations to our honoured country men and women.
The OASIS FORUM is comprised of very honourable men and women whose views represent the views of many zambians. These too have the RIGHT TO BE HEARD just as govt has sent out its message on how they prefer things to be done.
Govt has been shifting goal posts for a long time. It is time to give the people what they want. We cannot leave politicians alone to champion the constitutional cause. They have failed us in the past. They will surely fail us this time around because they all have one thing in common – to get to plot 1 at ALL COST!!! It is clear that govt is trying to sideline the civil society in the constitutional making process. No wonder they have introduced the STUPID NGO Bill ( which is not bad in and of itself but has been done in bad faith)!! We simply cannot leave ZCID(a consortium of political parties) to drive the constitutional crusade.
#7.Original Pundit, do not delude yourself, govts in the end, in due course, at last,finally, eventually, ultimately bows down to sustained pressure from the masses. Ask KK and chiluba they will tell you.
And talking about KK and FTJ, these 2 boys must NOT be allowed anywhere near the constitution making process. They failed us during their time. We would be setting a bad precedence if we where to include these 2 teenagers. On this issue, they had nothing to offer then, they have nothing to offer now.
Viva good leadership
VIVA Zambia!!
When did it become unlawfull to hold peacefull demostrations? someone educate me!!
I see no reason why govt should deny the OASIS Forum their right to be heard. This is a test for LPM and his minions. He claims that his govt is a “govt of laws rather than men†but lets his minions issue threats and indimidations to our honoured country men and women.
The OASIS FORUM is comprised of very honourable men and women whose views represent the views of many zambians. These too have the RIGHT TO BE HEARD just as govt has sent out its message on how they prefer things to be done.
Govt has been shifting goal posts for a long time. It is time to give the people what they want. We cannot leave politicians alone to champion the constitutional cause. They have failed us in the past. They will surely fail us this time around because they all have one thing in common – to get to plot 1 at ALL COST!!! It is clear that govt is trying to sideline the civil society in the constitutional making process. No wonder they have introduced the STUPID NGO Bill ( which is not bad in and of itself but has been done in bad faith)!! We simply cannot leave ZCID(a consortium of political parties) to drive the constitutional crusade.
#7.Original Pundit, do not delude yourself, govts in the end, in due course, at last,finally, eventually, ultimately bows down to sustained pressure from the masses. Ask KK and chiluba they will tell you.
And talking about KK and FTJ, these 2 boys must NOT be allowed anywhere near the constitution making process. They failed us during their time. We would be setting a bad precedence if we where to include these 2 teenagers. On this issue, they had nothing to offer then, they have nothing to offer now.
Viva good leadership
VIVA Zambia!!
This morning I was listening to a programme on radio featuring among others officials from FODEP on the current constitution making procces and impending demostration by the OASIS Forum.
FODEP has categorically stated that they will not partake in the demostrations by OASIS FORUM because they are convinced that, this is not the best methord of achieving what is broadly desired in the constitution making process.They say that the NCC as opposed to the CC gives a time frame for debate and enactment. Besides there is no guarantee that when the CC is prefered they will be agreement or consensus on contentious issues by the attendants.
FODEP says there has been undue focus on the constution making proccess as opposed to the contents.They have stated that they will choose a more constructive and realistic way of engaging government and other state holders on the proccess.
At least some a begining to reason and see sense
#20. Citizen
Let us not confuse what we perceive to be the “best” way to enact the constytyooshuoon with the RIGHT of other groupings (the oasis forum in this case) in our society to add their voice on the issue at hand.
For an impartial person, the issue here would not be whether the oasis forum’s ‘roadmap’ and/or ‘method’ is good or bad, but just the fact that govt is denying them their right to express their views publicly by means of holding a peacefull demostration. For me, that, more than anything else is the big issue here!!!
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ama Citizen, kindly post some kalampa news ku sports page. The whole nation is waiting.
I have hardly ever agreed with Ba Jose ever since I joined this blog. But today i must say I AGREE with his posting entirely.
Thanks Ba Jose, once again.
Natural laws of Freedom of association dictate that the oasis forum should be allowed to demonstrate as planned without being intimidated, if their cause is weak it will die down. But the should be free to demonstrate!
Ba Citizen(20),at last the chorus for emphasis on “content” as opposed to methodology is being sung!!When the time comes for “content” it will be hilarious to read some of the demands society will make.The submissions from the forum will definitley make good reading and i cannot wait!!
Born Rich(19),KK & FTJ like or not are citizens and have the right just as you and me have, to participate.Maybe with their hindsight and experiences their submissions may be of a better quality than those those expected from certain sections of our society!!People are crying for an all inclusive process..why would you want to exclude certain people.If we did.. the tag of “hypocrites” would be well deserved.
Original Pundit(23), if you are well informed, which i am pretty sure you are, you will agree with me that when people talk about KK & FTJ on these matters, they do not talk about them as ordinary citizens. They talk about them as ‘fathers’, elders ….. people who once presided over this great country.
My argument is, if they ought to be engaged, let them be engaged just like one would engage a common person like you or mudaala Kuku!!!
Believe me, on the constitution issue, there is NOTHING else to learn from KK and FTJ except WHAT NOT TO DO!!! One could forgive KK because of the different political climate we were in (which was his making anyway) but this old boy FTJ must not even be the last person to talk about an ‘all inclusive’ constitution making process.
A fourth year student at the University of Zambia (UNZA) is appealing for about K26 million to undergo a tumor surgery in South Africa.
Twenty two-year-old Patricia Maluti, who is doing engineering at UNZA, has a growth on her throat, which affects her breathing.
“Patricia needs 44, 600 rand (about K26, 760, 000) to go for treatment,†the University of Zambia Engineering Society (UNZES) stated in its appeal letter.
“This student has a growth on her throat which was diagnosed as a tumor in April 2007 by the University Teaching Hospital and thus she has been experiencing difficulties in breathing. Her condition worsened and she went through a surgery which was unsuccessful because of our hospital’s lack of the necessary equipment to reach diagnosis.â€
Matuti, who is a double orphan, has been using an improvised pipe to breath for the past four months.
Matuti no longer speaks properly because of the pipe.
I am sorry for trying to change to topic under discussion. I have been touched by this story and I have been hoping that Lusakatimes could open a discussion board on this issue. The last time we had a discussion on VJ’s (and politicians) priviledges of being evacuated to South Africa on signs of a cough or flu, I argued that such priviledges are not accorded to ordinary Zambians even when it is apparent. In this case, it has to take UNZES to champion the cause of this student. Where is UTH? Why the hell have they been quiet after making the problem worse? This LPM government is all about protecting Chitoba, Kalumba and the family tree and caring less for ordinary Zambian – Lord have mercy!
#14 I think it’s not for govt/MMD to decide Oasis forum has lost direction, this should be left to the members to decide. Just as MMD was hijacked & failed to get rid of its ghost – it’s time MMD had a clean sweep thru itself to bring us back to the ideals we all aspired to in 1991; So, there is a challenge, first pluck that log out of MMD’s eye, before they can claim ill of, or smear the forum!
#26 Chandafkaunda, it is indeed a touching story, & I feel for this young lady – this is the type of person who should receive some priority, as she has shown sheer determination inspite of all adversity she has been thru(NB this is not to belittle the many out there who probably have a similar story to tell) I would expect the special medical board to have been looking @ her case – just goes to show how this facility is used or abused depending which way you interpret things.
#26 before you lampoon UTH, it would be better to have all the info at hand(But I doubt very much as medical notes are private). The hole described in her neck seems to me a Tracheostomy, a well recognised
“alternative” airway for someone with upper airway obstruction. From the little info, it is difficult to discern whether the Opn @ UTH primarily was for creation of this alternate airway, or was resorted to after failure of an initial definitive procedure to correct the primary problem.
The Oasis forum shud jst register as a political party not the nonsense they r preaching now
ChandafKaunda (25),
This is where Government and the private sector such as those calling themselves Born Rich, Chinondo and indeed all of us who feel have accumulated some good fortune in our private lives seize the opportunity to prove our human heart. There is need to exhibit a sense of urgency in saving lives. Here we are faced with the needy young lady and potential future leader in a hopeless predicament. Could someone urgently establish and share authentic channels of support please! I stand ready to channel US $500.00 toward this life. If a few more willing hearts can stand up to the noble calling, life would be saved. Its a spirit and culture of giving we need to seed in our community.
Thanks for sharing the burden.
#bauze, Citizen, HEY, Ba Jose, Zambia needs peace to continue development. There must be peace, intercultural, social, political stability and harmony conditions to be on course of national development. Anything that brings disturbs cannot be condoned. However I have noticed one thing is it a ritual in Zambia whenever a big meeting is held that prior to that there is human sacrifice. Ba Jose mentioned Paul Tembos death and just last Thursday a that Zimbabwean police died and his death is mistrious. Now you continue reading my posting because it seems you are behind about the NCC. The govt has good intentions over the composition of the NCC.I dont know why a fraction pipo want to divert from progress when they want the constitution very soon. Above the process of making the constitution has been debated fiercely because of the various methodes involved and the money at stake. The president admitted to say the NCC is the cheapest and he is talking from experience of CRC and what it took.
Zambians where are you then read this:
Kanganja to appoint NCC members
SECRETARY to the Cabinet, Joshua Kanganja, will appoint all members of the National Constitution Conference (NCC) if its bill is finally passed by Parliament in its present form.
However, President Mwanawasa would appoint a chairperson and three vice chairpersons of the conference from among people recommended by members of the NCC, while Dr Kanganja would appoint the secretary of the conference.
This is contained in the NCC Bill, which Minister of Justice, George Kunda, presented to Parliament last Thursday. The bill also states that respective institutions would nominate their representatives and “the Secretary to the Cabinet shall ensure that 30 per cent of the representatives are women.â€
“A person shall not be appointed as a member of the Conference if the person is not a citizen of Zambia, is an undischarged bankrupt…has been convicted of an offence involving fraud or dishonesty…†the bill reads
in part.According to the bill, the NCC would consist of all members of the National Assembly, six representatives from each political party, which is a member of the Zambia Centre for Inter-Party Dialogue (ZCID).The conference would also consist of two representatives from the Zambia Episcopal Conference, Council of Churches in Zambia, Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia, and any other church mother body registered under the Societies Act. It would also have two representatives from the Non-Governmental Organisations Coordinating Council, Anti Corruption Commission, Electoral Commission of Zambia, Drug Enforcement Commission, and the Human Rights Commission. The NCC would also consist of two representatives from professional bodies including Law Association of Zambia, Economics Association of Zambia, Engineering Institution of Zambia, Local Government Association of Zambia, and the Medical Association of Zambia.
The conference would also have two representatives of traditional healers, 18 traditional leaders representing the House of Chiefs, two representatives each from private media and public media organisations.
The NCC would also have seven representatives of the Zambia Congress of Trade Unions, three from the Federation of Free Trade Unions of Zambia, another three from trade unions affiliated to ZCTU and three more from FFTUZ affiliates.
The conference would include two representatives each from the University of Zambia, Copperbelt University, and private university registered under the University Act.
The conference would also have two representatives from University of Zambia Students Union, Copperbelt University Students Union, and the National Students Union.
The NCC would also include five representatives from colleges and other institution of higher learning registered under the Technical Education, Vocational and Entrepreneurship Training Act, and two representatives
from Judicial Service Commission, Public Service Commission, Police and Prisons Service Commission and the Teaching Service Commission.
On security wings, the NCC would have three representatives from the Zambia Army, Zambia Air Force, Zambia National Service, Zambia Police Service, Zambia Prisons Service and Zambia Security Intelligence Service.
The conference would also have three representatives from the Judiciary, Department of the Clerk of the National Assembly, associations of disabled persons registered with the Zambia Agency for Persons with Disabilities, and National Arts Council.
It would also include five eminent Zambians, five senior citizens, 10 senior civil servants, three representatives of women’s organisations that are not members of the NGOCC; and two representatives of youth organisations registered under the National Youth Development Council Act.
The NCC would also have two representatives each from the Islamic Association and Hindu Association, three
representatives each from the Zambia National Farmers Union and the Peasant and Small Scale Farmers Association. The conference would include 10 representatives from NGOs registered under the Societies Act or any other written law, 10 freedom fighters and one councillor each from every council
#31-33 Easy
We applaud you, please give us more info then we can debate more intelligently and narrow our differences.
Maybe if people in the OASIS Forum have as much information as you on the NCC then they would refrain from demostrating.
ChandafKaunda-USA(25), make your approach to Dr Miti.The University Vice Chancellor can even present the case and he would have easier access to Dr Miti or even Dr.Chituwo.Government(tax payers) will pay for her.We pay for thieves to go for treatment abroad, why not this unfortunate young lady?
Born Rich(24),The “what not to do list” would make good reading.Who better to forward such a list than a former president?? Some of these jobs (presidency)it is very rare to find some one with previous experience(unless you are J Rawlings!!)
When you read this above I dont see any reason why two NGOs want to paint a bad picture about our nation. This no time for demonstrations but for contributions. NGOs should instead start sitting down and collect information they want to be included in the constitution instead of going on the streets and stage demos which will not yield intend results less alone the risks of life, property. Freedom is only meaningful if you use it wisely to the benefit society. Those who want demos should go ahead but they should be remind if any mist happens the law will pounce on them especially in this risk world we live in. Just reminder of the 12 March 2007 church gathering in Zimbabwe.
LPM has lied alot on this matter regarding the constitution maybe the demonstrations will help us. Before the elections he promised a constitution and if any over zealous police shoot any peaceful demonstrators that will be treated as murder. And you people supporting this government that murder when convicted is punishable by hanging.
By the way when is Police picking up Chitoba?
#25 argent, contact the Germany embassy in Lusaka and the health minister so that this girl can be evacauted to Germany as quickly as possible. I dont know how good is SA in this but I know Germans are first class on cancer.
Easy, copy & paste!! Well looking at the composition, just goes to show how MMD/govt wants to manipulate this, e.g. All Military, Intelligence, Police are SWORN to the presidency in the current format of our constitution, these are APPOINTED, they are not representatives. All appointees have allegiance.
Councillors from every council, again not representative across the board, as MMD being majority party will hold most.
Freedom fighters – well, now is this a joke? How many are still around, & if so are they in a fit state to sit in the gruelling sessions one would anticipate to be endured during such an exercise with most likely hard bargaining on both sides? I guess the response we would get from them is, they would like to enjoy this twilight time of their lives in peace, as they had played their part, & now the onus is on our generation to see to it that they indeed enjoy this peace & not bother them any further!
#40 Do you know that making a constitution is a long process you dont just woke up and the next day you have what you want. The EU it has taken them more than 50 years to have a new constitution and yet they are not thru. Why do you want to blame the president always. What efforts have you put in helping the process to come that far. Nowonder Zambians are good at talking other than action. YOu Truly Zambian you are one of them. I would favour that you start attendinf NGO meetings and make suggestions of what you want be included in the constitution. If you dont then it will be too late.
#42 So what you were just debating without details copy and paste so what I have given you the information which you didnt know or you wanted to deny the masses so as to make the govt it was not considerate. All those mentioned involve Zambians and I am sure its write especially that PF has won most council seats he will make a good respresentative. Once you are elected or appointed you are a representative my dear brother. What do you want that we make elections or what yet you are crying for a new constitution tomorrow.
THE Drug Enforcement Commission (DEC) on Saturday sought services of the Zambia Army to forcefully transfer to various provinces officers suspected to be whistle blowers in the financial scandals at the institution.
And Patriotic Front president Michael Sata yesterday declared that he would continue attacking President Mwanawasa’s family tree until Chitoba was suspended. On Saturday night, four armed military officers forced their way into unsuspected DEC officers who have been issued with letters of transfer to physically help them pack and leave to their various areas of posting.
The soldiers clad in military uniform using a military truck started their assignment with Justine Phiri around 03:00 hours on Saturday and ordered him to start packing without prior notice.
Sources said Phiri’s wife, who works for Madison Insurance, protested against the forced transfer but the soldiers forced her husband to go.
“Mr Phiri just packed clothes in a small bag and that is how he left,” the sources said.
Afterwards, the soldiers went to Clement Mweupe around 04:00 hours whom they approached unexpectedly and told him to pack and go.
The sources said Mweupe tried to resist the impromptu move but the soldiers even assisted him to pack so that they could start off. “You know this is the officer whose wife works for the judiciary and they were forced to go without informing her employers,” the sources said.
The sources said some of the DEC officers who were transferred could not even find accommodation and were only squatting with well-wishers. Both Phiri and Mweupe have been transferred to Mansa.
Among those transferred is Jacqueline Chisi who has been taken from headquarters to Solwezi. Chisi was also demoted by seven ranks from that of senior human resource personnel to a clerk, and Trevor Malambo, assistant commissioner who has been transferred to Ndola. Others are Mercy Lungwane, an assistant investigations officer who has been transferred to Mpulungu, Patson Chiwala, a senior investigations officer and his wife Hope Chiwala, an investigations officer who have been posted to Kabompo while Mable Lumbwe, a clerk officer has been posted to Kasama.
Bridget Kafwimbi, an investigations officer has been taken to Kasempa, Chansa Chibwe, a senior investigations officer has been transferred to Kabwe, Justine Phiri, a senior investigations officer has been posted to Mansa and Anice Luwi, an assistant investigations officer has been posted to Mpulungu.
The ACC is investigating Chitoba and his deputy Jacob Koyi for abuse of authority of office involving about K1 billion.
And reacting to Lamba speaking people’s spokesperson Jobb Shamfuti’s threats that the Lambas would deal with him in a manner befitting his venomous attacks, Sata said Shamfuti was the wrong person to speak on behalf of the Lamba people because he belonged to President Mwanawasa’s family tree.
“I will not fold my hands until Chitoba faces the law just like Gladys Nyirongo and Frighton Sichone, who were fired to pave way for investigations over allegations levelled against them. I am ready for them,” Sata said.
“I am not talking about the Lamba speaking people, but members of Mwanawasa’s family tree who are over protected against prosecution. Shamfuti should not try to shield Chitoba from prosecution using the Lamba speaking people. When Chitoba and Shamfuti are waxing in fat, they forget they are Lambas but when trouble gets close to them they want to hide in the tribe.”
Sata said the Lambas and Lenjes were suffering like any other Zambian, through the high cost of living, poverty, and lack of drugs in health institutions among others. Sata said Shamfuti’s statement was a deliberate ploy by members of the Mwanawasa family tree to mislead the nation that he was attacking the tribe.
“I have no intention of attacking the tribe because we are all wallowing in poverty,” Sata said. Sata asked State House to challenge his statements that there were members of the Mwanawasa family tree at government, party and diplomatic levels.
He also challenged Chitoba and Shamfuti to deny being related to President Mwanawasa. Sata reminded Shamfuti that the corrupt allegations levelled against Chitoba were not about the Lamba and Lenje speaking people but two individuals in DEC.
“What I expected from Shamfuti was to deny that Chitoba does not belong to the family tree. State House has not said anything, it is quiet,” he said. “Chitoba should be reminded that I will not wait for Shamfuti to come and sort me out before he faces the law.”
#44 Easy, sorry to disappoint you, that story wasn’t news to me asI had already read it from long before, hence my recognising your “copy & paste”.
Pity about the last bit of your posting , I can hardly make head or tail of it, pls try again.
If you opt for democracy you must prepare for its consequences. People are supposed to demonstrate in democratic countries. If you deny them freedom of expression you are giving them only one other option; bloodshed. This is a chance for Zambia to show it does not suppress freedom of speech and Justice Ministers in their right thinking minds should be happy and not start setting their political police upon peaceful demonstrators. You must be keen to show the world how different Zambia is from Zimbabwe.
ZNBC reports that CHITOBA has been suspended with immediate effect to pave way for corruption investigations against him.
#48 Chapi this is good news for Zambia. I knew it was a matter of time. #46 bauze all the pipo mentioned are Zambians and the constitution is only civil but also the security wing is involved. Every Zambia has a representative of a MP which makes the set up not leaving anyone from the process. We are all represented. These is no time for demos but for bringing in brilliant ideas about our news constitution. Zambia has not anarchy at present.What was trying to say when I mentioned Zimbabwe is some pipo will use chance to disturise peace in the country. You know some pipo are bitter about MMD but Iam not for one a member I am a peace loving Zambian. This is now a straight forward thing its clear and the process is growing wings but some want to shot it down.
#Chapi wat have got to say on those army officers involved in transfering DEC workers? They also be punished for following wrong orders and who gave them the orders anyway? This is culprit and must be dealt with.
#46 bauze why didnt you mention in your discussion the intentions of the govt instead of painting a wrong picture. Ba Jose still thinks in the times of Kalulu FTJ that is past Zambia need progress not kubwela kunuma. Freedom is knowing your rights and exercising them. So you go and demonstrate but remember not to damage property because this will be awful and painful. NGOs should concentrate on helping the govt where its hand is short instead of wasting time.Contribution Contribution Contribution Contribution Contribution Contribution
I’m often on the opposing side of govt but i have to admit this demo is more a waste of time. As RN put it what mileage could Oasis get from SADC. If we cant trust our MPs enough to do a decent job why do we have them? Also, one would think Levy as outgoing President has shown some honesty in offering the CC roadmap.
#52 Francis hi, we need more of your likes to educate the masses on this time waste guys. The Roadmap is on and it roll and roll. What have got to say about Chitobas suspension?
#52 Where is SAGE? I want to confront him on VOIP. His article was good but… it poses questions.
#45 & 50 those acts were unlawful!! First it was GROSS ABUSE of OFFICE to use the Army by BOTH DEC as well as ARMY COMMANDER! So the task force should visit these two without any question.
The officers involved should SUE GOVT for having their peace interfered with by the STATE i.e. the Army entering their premises in the night without any warrant of any sort and FORCED REMOVAL (becoz who knows, these officers might have elected to resign rather than being transferred).
Kunda instead of harping on about peaceful demonstrations, SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON PROTECTING HARD WORKING PATRIOTIC ZAMBIANS SUCH AS THESE OFFICERS!
#55 bauze the CPM has no cricises hence no need of demos wat will waste taxpayers monies for security. Plz be reasonable and see sence in this what the govt is trying to do. Zambia a boom at the moment its time to use every little resources wisely to forge ahead with development.
Easy, everyone welcomes Ryan Chitoba’s suspension so the ACC can move to prosecute him. It wont be easy if they get a very good lawyer. What I also understand is that there’s a camp at DEC loyal to former director Sinyani, i think led by Nason Banda, who did all they could to discredit Chitoba and Koyi. This is no excuse if their allegations are proved true. But these things of abuse of office, theft of imprest, etc., are happening in many govt depts.
#Francis you are right I know this especially imprest my civil servants and army officers have been misusing this for years. Anyway that one way of holding a nation like Zambia which has not record of coups to change govt. Soldiers even today they still get free mealie meal. I think think this substential to keep peace as long as have not riched the certain stds in democracy. So they are other players ón field. What happened to Sinyani? How did he leave?
Just to contribute on the main article, Oasis forum has really lost it. SADC leaders can not even talk about the issue at hand in Zimbabwe. These leaders are tourists. They move from one place to another enjoying flights and not doing anything. Am sorry to say this but Africa is not Europe and please let our people realize this before its too late. Democracy cannot work here in Africa. Just look at our ministers when ever people want to have a peaceful demonstration they think of war and unlawfulness. Don’t blame them, they don’t understand how to run a democratic government.
#57 Francis, it does matter whether he hires the best lawyer or not, the fact is he will never be the same chitoba. Look at VJ(drugs), Sikota Wina(drugs), Ketele Kalumba(laptop)etc. These guys have tanished their names and they’ll never walk the streets with their heads high, let alone aspire to run for presidency. Stealing does not pay. I just hope tapulile shonse because he’ll never have such a nice job again.
Katele Kalumba is still up there waiting to succeed Levy. Mabenga too is free and enjoying relative power in MMD. I also dont think Chitoba will go back to DEC, but you never know. If they fail to convict what stops Levy from giving him a diplomatic post somewhere.
#59 are you real serious with your sentiments about SADC and Zimbabwe or are you real aware of what is at stake Ãn Zimbabwe or you cannot see beyond your forehead. Lastest news from Zimbabwe: They are starting renovating there nation stadium which will last until October. What is Zambia doing? Zimbabwe turning east has started paying. Dont be blind my brother Zambia went thru what is in Zimbabwe happpening if you are really convinced that Mugabe is the cause then you being cheated. Look at Libya despite all the differences with west today they are dancing to his tune even begging him this one man who has been in power tim memorial. Egypt is the same situation. Senegal has just elected a olderly man as a state man. Yet in DR Congo pipo die everyday and eyes are closed no one is talking about it. Sometimes its good to have put like Bob who ca challenge some of these foreign policies because they have teaching lessons for both sides. Somalia is lawless nothing is being done about it.
Look at Sudan soon there will be peace because of the oil is at stake its not benefiting those who have been on advantage. You open your eyes and ears be informed of Africas prite which man made. Sierra leone Diamonds, Liberia Diamonds and blood shed. Nambia Diamonds and blood shed. South Africa Gold and killings, Zimbabwe land and white farmers, Uganda and religous circus, Congo and minerals civil war and unrest, Angola and oil civil war for decades. Rwanda and Gollilars, Timber plus tribal conflicts. CAR ritual killings and eyes closed for the world. Mozambique and its vast nature resources war without an end Eritea and control of India ocean waters conflict in the name of civil border war with ethiopia. Africa think twice and unite and liberate yourselfs from slavery.
#62 Thanx for the information but you are one of the “wanna be’s” or let me put it in this way “some of us”. You think of development in terms of building Stadiums, fendeco houses good roads replacing Africa with Europe etc.. no thats not development my friend South Africa the country which is hosting me now is proud of that, but you would not believe it, if you were to go to the grass root of people. Black people especially. These people are starving to death, what development is this? if your own country men and women do not have the necessary basic needs???? Zimbabwe can build as many stadiums as they want but I live with Zimbabweans who flee from their country because of oppression. Actually i did not mention that Mugabe is bad but his own people say he is evil. How can you be in power for such a long? come on buddy lets hope you are not related to Kaunda who wanted to do the same……
#63Actually i was talking about SADC not AU like the way you have put it. You are talking of Africa as a whole with its many problems caused by the so called democracy??? what is democracy by the way? and who brought it? Keep in mind Russia had its own democracy, the Greeks had their own during the time of Plato and Socrates and now we have the US version. Are we going to have an Africa version tell me because you know?
#65 Ba Chibwe you mean sure all those heads i SADC are just silent on Zimbabwe or do you see something sinister about it. Why is a problem of having Mugabe as lead of ZIM at 84 a bad thing. My grandfather was head of his family until he died. Can you give concrete reason why the west have called for a regime change? When talked of stadiums I want to enlight you that despite the false image being painted about ZIM something is happening to resurrect the economy. To run away from you own country is not a solution but a disaster. Those who have bad intentions wil use the situation for own gain. Africa need just have its own lending institutions to lool for turns like this because of the expliotation the continent has suffered at the hands of so called our white brothers. Ther has been not fairness in trade all. What is democracy its a process of choosing leaders thru a ballot box which took place in Zim yet it has be called a regime.
EASY i’m here , whats up?
#65 BaChibwe in SA now you see once you become an economic refugee how hard it is to be accepted. This is the kind of culture we need to change. Europe has built a wall to just stop foreigners entering the continent. Yet we are open still accept everyone. I know many people who moved illegally suffering in Europe even worse than in SA. Some work on force labor because they have no alternative and some are even slaves. Recently a group of children were realised from a factory they worked without pay. They went as footballers yet landed in working in plantations, farms,
#67 Thank you for VOIP article. Just maybe a word of advice next time to boost this technology include the Advantages and disadvantages on private sector and Firms. Otherwise the article was very informatve and I liked it. You know I have an opportunity to be part of the research students in 1997 over VOIP. Maybe make it simpler for pipo to understand VOIP by saying its nothing other than Internet Telephone, IP Telephone, LAN Telephone. I hope you are doing to give us hints how it can be combined with WiMAX tech. I believe this has future to. Have you read what ZAMTEL intends to do because of the problems they face of vandalism?
#69 thanks for the that info. Well as i said this is a four part article. I will try by any means to bring out the benefits not only to the Industry but to the users. WiMAX is a the future for VoIP and the internet. The success of VoIP largelly depends on WiMAX as the Vehicle for delivery. a month ago i wrote an article on wireless and fiber optic, i clearly outlined the advantage Wireless has over Fiber in relation to implementation costs and ease of implementation. On ZAMTEL, No i believe Zamtel is a sleeping giant on a titanic. until the Titanic hits the iceburg you wont see anything radical from them. ZAMTEL owns mwembeshi and they more money than Zamnet will ever have. How come they are the least perfoming ISP Zambia today. The answer is ineptitude and probably lack of vision at the top. Remember when you go to buy fish, you look at the head. If its rotten you dont buy the fish.
Oasis wanted CA so that they can be pocketing K500,000 each per day as sitting allowances -selfish pipo-I dont think they are genuine.As said earlier allow CA but no allowances no food then we will know CA pipo are genuine
#70 SAGE, Do have intentions of starting a ISP firm in Zambia. Iam asking when I look at the streaming websites most the time are down I wonder if we were to depend on them. I have not listened to radio now for past 4 days. I wonder what is happening. Is it being censored. Okay I will follow your article realise. You are in contact with Computer Society of Zambia? Definately if services are very poor customers go away. I didnt know that ZAMTEL is also a provider of Internet Access. I can just see business in Zambia. If we can net the whole country what a good perspective.
The ultimate losers are the Zambian people. They obviously cant pay K500,000, and the total cost of this process is still in a black box. They already elected parliamentary representatives to deal with all the legislative duties of the country. The only reason I hear for the CA is that MPs will be manipulated by the MMD.
#73 Francis can you review wat was the cost of CRC. Maybe this makes sense as starting point of the debate. How long did they seat? I believe this what made Levy tolerant to go CA because of the huge amount involved. I can still remember he mentioned this: A cheaper way has be reached on the constitution Roadmap.
Mufana Easy, siulema? Enda ukangone, uzakala monga fyiti.
#72 Our political system is also a part of the problem. Postzambia moved their website offshore because GRZ has owns Zamnet. whenever the post wanted to publish a contravecial story all Zamnet did was shutdown the server and site technical difficalties. the other thing is bandwidth. most ISP’s have one server and 2 T1 lines. thats why you find the websites are slow. I have plans of participating in the ISP industry, but at the moment the prevailing conditions are not attractive.Talk about $40,000.00 for a license. I dont think that is realistic. People like you easy can start a hosting company. The good thing with webhosting is you dont have to be in Zambia or locate your servers in Zambia. You can do that in the US and advertize your service in Zambia. You will have cheap internet bandwith, access to equipment like servers. Zamnet is an ISP, just as most people dont know that Zamtel is cell phone provider. they rank last in both ISP and Cell phones. Why???
#73 the issue is how do amend section 79 of the constitution cost effectively while protecting the current constitution. Section 79 is a self protecting clause which can not be changed without a form of a referendum.You can call it CA,ZDCID or EASY. I dont believe we have to float the current constitution because we are worried of the costs involved. Zambians should learn to pay the right price for the right product or service. All these countries you rush to didnt start the way they are to day. Do you know how many people died just to test the aeroplane technology? Zambia has more resources than Norway, Sweeden put together. But why are they reacher than us. in any other country on earth a government cheque is as good as cash except Zambia. People would rather take HH’s personal chcque than GRZ check. the point is we have money, but we would rather spend K100B on a used presidential jet than spend that money on the constitution. You dont here anyone complaining that K4BN is too much..
for booze at state house. Polio hit the world during the American depression. American had to donate personal money and jewelary to fund the reaserch for the cure. We need to grow up as a nationa and start putting our money where our mouth is. We have to fix the constitution by any means necessary. That is the foundation upon which all you rights as a citizen are based. if that is not important, i dont know what is.
With Chitoba going to prison, he is likely to meet Chung there. They will together have a laugh.
#75 Haamba, Dont you that Iam fyiti in Technology. I cannot without it. It follow me everywhere. The day has just started. So contribute instead of gastigating me. I do understand however charter a jet is a previllege of the president and his poor planing. My problem is CA is intendly to make just a small group of pipo even richer and richer. This unfair for Zambians. We need to sacrifice the ? is for how long? A person live only once.
I hear you SAGE. Right now our mouth is educating our children half of whom dont get educated, and protecting them from preventable disease and death. So we take our money there.
My understanding is that this process is about reviewing a constitution that already exists by amending certain parts of it. We’re not making a whole new constitution.
I must admit to this day, no one has convinced me which specific pieces these would be, and how fundamental they are to our democratic and economic future. Apart from the 50%+1, which is arguably not worth all the costs involved, now(enacting it) and i future(election re-runs).
In short, I wouldnt be advocating spending K500+ Billion to do something of dubious, or at least unkown, impact on our basic welfare. I rather buy Peter Mwaba and co. a dialysis machine. When people say Zambia is rich i dont understand what they mean? Is it land, copper, rivers?
I think SAGE is putting a lot of sense in most on ur heads. Wake up, u need to sacrifice some other things or else when are u going to change the constitution? When Sata comes to power?
Every decision will involve some sacrifice. But if you wake up to the true impact of a K500-700 Billion sacrifice on social welfare I bet you will make a different decision. This process cant be worth every penny in our pocket.
From what i hear we are trying to write a new constitution. correct me if i’m wrong. The alternative is to amend any parts of the constitution containing achaic or draconian laws, like motor vehichle act and the electroral act. I personally dont see why we should write a new constitution. The issue is the Zambian constitution is designed to serve the powers that be. As a result its not attractive for the sitting president to change these laws. Thats why they spend the first 5 years of their retirement either in jail or in court. If you really look at how much we have spent from the mwanakatwe comm to the indabas and bickering over what is the road map. We have already spent the K500BN people are wyning about. And the more we put it off the more we are going to spend.What LPM is doing is just pasifying his oponents. unfortunatelly by the time he will choose to deal with the issue, he will be a lame dark president. and no one listens to a president in their final year.
On Chitoba, Levy has again proved to be more human than Kafupi who never wanted to appear to budge to public pressure. It was not only the right thing but the only way out for him.
I think education is very important in presidency.
Immediately I smelt political manipulation in the constitutional review process,I even lost confidence in the whole exercise and my personal conclussion is that this is a share waste of resources.With regard to the Army victimising the whistle blowers in the CHITOBA saga,I think the ACC should put a stop to this coz they need to protect citzens that are trying to help in the fight against corruption and plunder of national resources.If KEY witnesses aren`t available then the ACC`s investigation will be jeopadised.
It seems the main sources of tension have to do with the 50%+1 and the FOI, which is already in the courts. And perhaps a few other pieces, but these are the ones galvalising all the civil society movement. George Kunda and Levy have made their position clear on FOI. But for me the implementation of the POA by Police suggests that even a perfect constitution wont guarantee us anything.
If there was a way to get this done at reasonable cost K50-100 Billion, maybe i might be more positive. If its so important maybe civil society can propose lower if any allowances. But am not gonna support anything that reduces the chances that my niece in katete wont get a vaccination next year.
Apali umunwe epali ibala. If eople had genuine intentions money can be found. Everyone is suspicious of MMD. You cant blame them for that, Kafupi had mwanakatwe comm. A waste of money. LPM had the Mungomba comm another waste of money. So people have a reason to believe its another waste of money. At the moment LPM does not have the credibility. he hasnt shown the kind of leadership that people can trust. On Chitoba he should have acted last week. Sikasote was dropped 24hours after it was learned that he did not retire his imprest. To many it looks like he just bowed to pressure just FTJ on his third term bid. Its one thing to make an independent decision, its another to be forced into making a decision.
#88 SAGE.I realise that the POST did a wonderful thing in exposing the corruption and theft CHITOBA engaged in but my question is why does our system keep failling us.Do we have to always rely on the POST to expose such deeds for us tackle this vise.Few months ago it was the LAND saga,then the MULYATA/GBM scandal and many others.
SAGE I will be back when I get some time to read your Article. Meanwhile, do some more research mwaiche pali ama-users, not data yapa CIA Zambia fact book.
Keep us refreshed.
You see when a civil servant travels they are entitled to allowances in advance. Miyanda retired all his imprests. If you go by the records i dont think LPM brings reciepts. I know he doesnt buy anything as presida, but why does he get travelling allowances. They are all thieves its just that changa baseka uwachelwa. Chitoba is just unlucky. Ministers buy invoices at soweto market. Its a common practice thats why upto now not a single government offical called for chitoba’s suspension because they know.
The whole saga broke out because a clique at DEC, i believe led by Nason Banda, compiled thaa list of scandals and took them to TIZ. Then TIZ went to the post, and thereafter it was a daily story. Am sure we havent heard everything yet. Nepotism didnt start now at DEC. But at least now they will charge Chitoba formally.
HK CIA actually says Zambia has 7000 users. that data is from the 5th NDP
#92 FRANCIS.How do we tackle this vise if at all we can?
Dont think we can.
#93 So now you have put a face. Trust me I dont know that face. Tawali lumpeni iwe?..Just joking?
#96 nali BA, but i just wanted for you guys to start ading a face to the text. I wish LT can also develop the blog to point where we can create profiles and add pictures so that people can know who really is posting on the blog. You like we didnt know that Jose was just 28 yrs old.
I don’t really understand the whole constitution debate. CA route was said to be expensive and yet finance minister magande announced that our mining sector had made 400 million US dollars! Magande said Zambia ‘benefited’from the mining profits by returning only 9 million US dollars out of the 400 million US dollars profit that the mining sector made. But to trick the Zambian pipo this magande together with the state media decided to convert the 9 million US dollars into Zambian kwacha which of course when into billions of kwachas. In short Zambia just kept US$9mln while these so called foreign investors took US391 million dollars out of Zambia! my point is, why should our gov’t be telling the nation that there is no money for CA route when they are busy giving away the much needed profits that could bring about a good people driven constitution? Surely wouldn’t that US$391 million be useful in capitalising UTH so that that UNZA student shouldn’t have to go to SA for treatment?
#98.How would you feel if gov pumped in millions of dollars in the constitutional review process at yet we don`t come up with the Constitution that would stand the test of time?
# 99.Well chapi of course I wouldn’t be happy if gov’t spent millions of dollars on a fruitless constitutional review process but I would rather gov’t spends the money, keeps everyone and we get a people driven constitution that stands the test of time unlike having to take short cuts that only serve the political interests of those in gov’t and foreign owned corporations. When you read the list that gov’t has come up with regarding the CC route, you will notice that almost all the so called representatives depend in one way or the other on the gov’t and therefore are unlikely to give any constructive opposing views for fear of losing their gov’t given privileges. To me that looks like indirect dictatorship. I think that ba levy & co. are trying to come up with a document that serve their personal political interests and the interests of foreign corporations at the expense of the majority poor Zambians. Like ‘the’ say, Politics is a really dirty game!!
#99.LPM is a lawyer and knows what`s good for the nation but unfortunately he`s a politician too and that happens to be paramount in his decision on the constitutional review process.My friend,LPM is in his final term and he knows that any slip up and the MMD is out of power and that would be catastrophic to him.In that regard,he will do everything in his power to safeguard the interest of his Party(MMD).When FTJ says LPM has so many cases to answer,that`s not a joke and you can even see with what`s already happening to his innercircle(CHITOBA SAGA).He won`t risk his party losing its firm hold on power,coz that will open the door for the law to take its course on him.I hope that I would be proved wrong,but my take on the constitutional review exercise is that it`s a share waste public resources coz of political manipulation that`s currently taking place.
Sorry I meant #100 CONCERNED HUMAN.
#100.Ask PAPARAZZI,VETERAN OR PRAGMATIST about the 27 year RULE in Zambian politics,what it entails and the power brokers or DEMAGOGUES behind the scenes.
Chapi 101# I think that lawyers don’t make good leaders. Certainly lpm and tony blair are good living examples. If anything, I feel that people who came up with the multi party agenda destroyed Zambia rather than build on what was left by the KK administration. Yes KK’s admin wasn’t perfect but in my opinion they were more nationalistic than the current crop of leaders we have. In fact I would go ahead and say that western democracy can never work in Africa and those who advocate for it are possibly henchmen of a greater on going conspiracy to keep Africa divided and weak. The multi party system is there for the purpose of dividing and conquering Africa. As long as this system remains, cases such as the chitoba saga and many others will always be there. They only way to stop this cycle is to stop the system of political parties altogether.
Chapi# 103 Those who propagate the so called 27 year rule in Zambian politics should be sent to Mukobeko prison because they are liars, fraudsters and possibly political murderers who would do anything to have there way. Such people are enemies of the poor people of Zambia and don’t deserve to be in positions of responsibilities because such people are a danger to our young nation.
I’m Out
One Zambia One Nation!!
#105 CONCERNED HUMAN.You`ve just hit the nail on the head and I hope PRAGMATIST would come to that same realisation.
#106 CHEERS
Top Zimbabwe cop ‘killed by prostitute’ in Zambia
OFFICER DOWN: Zimbabwe’s police chief Chihuri was in Zambia for the SARPCO meeting
By Lebo Nkatazo
Last updated: 08/05/2007 18:00:06
A TOP Zimbabwean police officer has died in Zambia after being shot by a prostitute, a newspaper reported on Sunday.
Assistant Commissioner Christopher Gapara, 37, an aide-de-camp of Zimbabwe Republic Police (ZRP) Commissioner, Augustine Chihuri, had travelled to Lusaka for the Southern Africa Region Police Chief’s Co-operation Organisation (SARPCO) last week.
The Post newspaper reported that Gapara — a married father of three — had picked up a prostitute on Thursday night and taken her to his room at Pamodzi Hotel in Lusaka.
The paper alleged that the woman used Gapara’s handgun to kill him after they failed to agree on payment terms. Gapara’s body was discovered in the hotel room on Friday morning with his trousers halfway down, the paper said.
His body was taken to the University Teaching Hospital for post-mortem and later to Ambassador St Ann in preparation for its repatriation to Zimbabwe.
However, there appeared to be a conflict on exactly how he died. A spokesmnan for the ZRP Superintendent Andrew Phiri said Gapara died after suffering from “acute respiratory arrest”.
Zambia’s inspector general of police, Ephraim Mateyo, confirmed Gapara’s death but he insisted that there was “no foul play” involved.
Mateyo has promised to issue a comprehensive statement after preliminary investigations, including a post-mortem report.
The Post said another senior police officer from an unnamed SADC country had his boss’ laptop stolen from his room “in suspicious circumstances”.
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DEC boss suspended
By KANGWA MULENGA and KASUBA MULENGA
PRESIDENT Mwanawasa has suspended Drug Enforcement Commission (DEC) Commissioner, Ryan Chitoba.
Special Assistant to the President for press and public relations, John Musukuma, announced in a statement yesterday that President Mwanawasa took the action following receipt of particulars of allegations against Mr Chitoba in a letter dated August 2, 2007, from Anti-Corruption Commission (ACC) Director-General, Nixon Banda.
The President received Mr Banda’s letter on Sunday morning while in Malaysia where he was attending an international conference on third world development.
“To facilitate the completion of these allegations or should it be decided to charge you in a court of law, I am suspending you from exercising your functions as commissioner of the Drug Enforcement Commission with immediate effect,†Mr Mwanawasa said.
And in a letter to Mr Chitoba, the President wrote: “I expect you to give the Anti-Corruption Commission all the possible cooperation and assistance.â€
The President said Mr Chitoba would be on half salary during his suspension and that he would be entitled to his personal-to-holder vehicle.
And Mr Mwanawasa has directed the ACC to provide him with details of the allegations against DEC Deputy Commissioner, Jacob Koyi, to enable him take appropriate action.
“The President has not taken any action against Jacob Koyi as he has not been furnished with details of allegations against him by the Anti-Corruption Commission,†Mr Musukuma said.
Earlier, Secretary to the Cabinet, Joshua Kanganja, announced in a statement that Inspector-General of Police, Ephraim Mateyo, would, in the meantime, oversee the operations of the commission.
“Mr Ryan Chitoba, commissioner, Drug Enforcement Commission, has been suspended with immediate effect in order to expedite the on-going investigations on alleged abuse of office against him by the Anti-Corruption Commission,†Dr Kanganja said.
And Transparency International Zambia (TIZ) has welcomed the suspension of Mr Chitoba although they feel this could have been done much earlier.
TIZ president, Reuben Lifuka, said in an interview that the suspension should have been done much earlier and that other officers facing similar allegations should have also been axed.
“Our position is that the suspension should have been done much earlier.
We also feel that Dr Kanganja should consider the issue of the deputy commissioner in order to make progress in the investigations.
The same process should be extended to whistle-blowers to protect them,†Mr Lifuka said.
He said the transfers and demotions of officers at DEC should be put on hold because they could have vital information that could help in the on-going investigations.
Recently, the ACC Director-General announced that the anti-corruption body was investigating Mr Chitoba and his deputy for alleged abuse of authority of office by withdrawing money from a DEC’s forfeiture account and failure to retire imprest.
Prior to this, the police recorded a warn and caution statement from DEC assistant commissioner, Nason Banda, for allegedly being in possession of official documents contrary to section 6 (1) (2) and (9) of the State Security Act.
The police also interviewed Mr Chitoba’s secretary, Ms Lubona Mutakwa, although they did not record any statement from her.
SCORES DEMONSTRATE IN SUPPORT OF NCC BILL
SCORES of people yesterday staged demonstrations outside the Parliament buildings to show solidarity to Government over the National Constitution Conference (NCC) Bill, which is currently before the House.The peaceful demonstrators denounced the Oasis Forum and other stakeholders that were against the NCC Bill through placards.
Clad in white T-shirts with labels indicating their support for President Mwanawasa’s Government as well as the NCC Bill, they said there was no need for demonstrations on the Constitution during the Southern African Development Community Heads of States summit.
Zambia Association of Motorists (ZAM) president, John Zulu, who led the group, said the planned demonstrations by the Oasis Forum and other stakeholders opposed to the NCC Bill were misplaced, as Government meant well over the Constitution-making process.
“We have decided to demonstrate as a way to show our welcome to the visiting Heads of State that will arrive in Zambia for the SADC summit and as a way to show our support to the Government of the day,†Mr Zulu said.He said some of those against the NCC Bill refused to make submissions to the Constitution Review Commission (CRC) and wondered why they wanted to champion the idea now.
“Besides, how many people in rural areas know about this Constitution roadmap issued by the Oasis Forum.
“Government has a short roadmap that will also be less costly so that resources could be channeled to other developmental projects,†he said.
Mr Zulu urged members of Parliament (MPs) to support the NCC Bill, which he said was so progressive.
FODEP HAPPY WITH NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CONFERENCE BILL CONTENTS
THE National Constitution Conference (NCC) Bill currently before Parliament has made great strides in addressing most recommendations in the Mung’omba Constitution Review Commission (CRC), the Foundation for Democratic Process (FODEP) has said.
Featuring on Radio Phoenix’s Let the People Talk programme yesterday, FODEP president, Stanley Mhango, said his organisation was now scouting for resources to get to people and explain the contents of the NCC bill so that they could understand it well.
Mr Mhango said the NCC had a broad representation than what some stakeholders in the Constitution-making process had suggested. Under the CRC recommendations, the Zambia Congress of Trade Union (ZCTU) and the Federation of Free Trade Unions of Zambia (FFTUZ) would have two representatives each but under the NCC, they would have seven each. He said under the CRC, there was no limit to the debate but the NCC had provided one year, while it had also included representation from all Church mother bodies as well as chiefs.
Mr Mhango was, however, worried about the culture of dishonesty that had continued to characterise the Constitution-making process over the years.
“The fact that political parties met under the Zambia Centre for Inter-party Dialogue (ZCID) to dialogue over the Constitution shows that they have been more objective and as FODEP we feel this is the right thing to do,†he said.
Zambia Development Conference (ZADECO) chairperson, Langton Sichone, who was also a discussant on the programme said the bone of contention over the Constitution was based on suspicion and lack of trust for stakeholders.He was happy that a platform had been created under the ZCID, and it was cardinal to identify areas needing urgent attention.
A Lusaka caller only identified as Mubita condemned the planned demonstrations by the Oasis Forum and other stakeholders, challenging the non-governmental organisations (NGOs) in the forefront of organising the planned demonstrations during the Southern African Development Community (SADC) Heads of State summit to come out in the open and identify themselves as political parties. “Police should create no room for culprits that will fan trouble through Constitution demonstrations when Zambia hosts the SADC summit.
“The CRC is not law but it merely made recommendations which could be accepted or rejected or could be amended and so where is the basis for these demonstrations,?†Mr Mubita asked. The NCC was made available to all stakeholders in the Constitution-making process for suggestions and wondered why some people should picket the SADC Heads of States. Another Lusaka caller who chose to remain anonymous charged that NGOs should stop being jack of all trades.
He said it was wrong for an NGO on HIV/AIDS to start engaging in Constitutional issues and that the Church should not politic at the expense of preaching the Gospel of God to the masses.
In response, Mr Mhango said it was wrong to rubbish NGOs that were law abiding and had democratic right to demonstrate. Mr Sichone said it was up to Zambians to judge NGOs on whether it was right or wrong for them to engage in demonstrations during the SADC summit.Meanwhile, political activist, Dante Saunders, has accused some organisations of being inconsistent and bent on causing confusion among Zambians by insisting that they will hold demonstrations.He said he would not participate in any demonstration.
He advised the Church to seriously reconsider its support for the demonstrations and not allow private individuals to use them as a springboard to gain political mileage.
He said on March 13, 2006, he wrote a letter to President Mwanawasa where he made recommendations after a series of discussions with various stakeholders and the contents of the letter were made public
Mr Saunders said in a statement in Lusaka yesterday that it was morally wrong and inconsistent to join the demonstrations.He said the intended NCC Bill of 2007 addressed all the issues which he found cardinal and raised them in his meeting with the President.
He challenged the institutions participating in the demonstrations to convince him that they had a genuine reason.“I call upon the people of Zambia to judge us all for consistence with regards to the fight for a new Constitution,†he said.Mr Saunders said the Government had shown seriousness by setting up a base that could now provide for a group to begin working and the opportunity should not be sabotaged for the sake of personal interests.He said all those responsible for causing the delay in the Constitution-making process would be held accountable.
•A 64-year-old Lusaka resident has also urged the Oasis Forum to respect the provisions of the current Constitution that give power to the people and not a few elite citizens in the name of the civil society.He also reiterated that there was no need for a demonstration but urged stakeholders to put the interest of the Zambians first.The 64-year-old who sought anonymity said the Constitution should be made to serve and save the people and not a few elite people.
#66,68 Easy: You want to put the blame on whites for no good reason. one of the most difficult thing of a human being is to accept his or her own mistakes. There is no way that you can be puting all the faults our father and mothers did on whites. Why did’nt they do something when Africa was scrumbled?? let me tell you why?? because they liked “wine” more than their fellow humans. Whites did not fall from heaven they come here and made friends with hostile tribes or let me call them peoples. These peoples liked power and they sold the weak. They did not think about the future. Thats what Mugabe is doing. And if not all of these power angry leaders in SADC. There is no garantee that because your grand-father ruled you well then Mugabe can do that. Human beings are complex beings. The west will always have interest just like from the begining and they will do what ever they can do to protect this. Its only an Africa who can come up and do something.
“Copy & Paste” gang have you never heard of
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Oasis forum has been given the mandate to demonstrate. Now let us see what will happen. I can assure you no one from the ranks of SADC leaders will even pay attention to this. If am not wrong they don’t even know whats happening. Africa just needs to educate its young ones because thats where the future is. We need more people who are going to be like you, able to analyze and critically reflect whats going on in Africa. I give respect to educating an African first than demonstrations i know the constitution is helpful but how many people understand it in Zambia? realistic. They don’t even know what kind of animal it is. Thanx Man
#116 Chibwe, what are you then trying to say?? Should we just sit back & do nothing about it?? If the demonstration is that useless, why is it that the MMD/govt are so heated about it & against it? Are you suggesting that they are stupid to be even bothered about it?? Mind you they even organised their own demonstration for the NCC bill, yesterday!
Just becoz many people are unfortunate enough not to have gone to school, or attained a level that would put them in a position to appreciate what the whole hullabaloo is about – doesn’t mean we the fortunate ones should just sit back & do nothing, INFACT WE OWE IT TO THEM, OUR FORTUNATE POSITION ISN’T JUST FOR OUR OWN BENEFIT, it is for the general betterment of the society we live in. Would you e.g. advocate for a doctor not to inform the general public about avian flu simply becoz hardly any of them have heard about it?? Let’s use our fortunate position to move us forward.
#114 BA Chibwe, If you want to know how a lion lives penetrate in its hiding hole. You are ignorant about the problems in ZIM and you siding a wrong position.If your fellow Zimbabweans are telling you that Mugabe is bad then you should the are non patriotic and they have been cheated by thinking if they run away they will have better lives. A good a example is your country Zambia when we had those cricises we never ran away but confronted the problems as they came. I asked you a question to the blog what wrong did Mugabe do to his people for the economy to go down like that if they are no external forces that scramble it. be wise in my tribe they you dont let a child play with fire because he doesnt know what damage it cause.
#112 VETERAN.Have you read Today`s POST headline story?
I agree with ba JOSE Imwe mwefibantu who are against the demos, you’re still in the 20th century. It really does not matter whether the Oasis as a case or not, they have every right and freedom to stage a peaceful demostration. Wake up ladies and gentlemen and let our young democracy grow. Umwana atasha nyina……., muletala mwaendako and see how democratic othernations are. You are so annoying.
#120 Ci Mala msana wandalama, You dont just demonstrate because there is a democracy. You should demonstrate to bring meaningful use. If you look at the composition of the NCC all walks of life is represented chiefs, MPs, NGO, Govt, Security, churches, Farmers, Youths, Education and technology, women and men. What else do your Oasis forum want. Anyway they can go ahead and make there demo they have been permitted. It doesnt bother us. Are you a kaponya maybe that is why use fill not represented.
#121 Mr EASY BLOGG MAN, let them demostrate and them then get what they are trying to say instead of muzzling them. Isn’t it in the current constitution where the freedom of assembly and expression is enshrined?. If naked women can express themselves freely, why should you then deny the Oasis the same freedom of expression. EASY you’ve stopped thinking rationally because you’re ever busy(blogging). Come on get some life and stop annoying me. Infact leave some time to be with you’re wife/girlfriend or boyfriend(if you’re a gay), bakakwafwa.
121 Mr EASY BLOGG MAN, let them demostrate and them then get what they are trying to say instead of muzzling them. Isn’t it in the current constitution where the freedom of assembly and expression is enshrined?. If naked women can express themselves freely, why should you then deny the Oasis the same freedom of expression. EASY you’ve stopped thinking rationally because you’re ever busy(blogging). Come on get some life and stop annoying me. Infact leave some time to be with you’re wife/girlfriend or boyfriend(if you’re still a gay), bakakwafwa.
August 8, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
I’m just holding my chin with anticipation that the whole process will be a failure believe or not. Today you men and women are calling Oasis as useless. Is it not the same Oasis that campaigned against FTJ third term and FTJ gave in. Why have you forgotten so easily? What’s wrong for Oasis to demostrate when MMD cadres have done so? So there is law for cadres and another for Oasis.Easy I envy your contribution but strongly disagree with your perpetual pernicious and hatred towards those who critise Levy and his govt. Mala msanawandala has just contrubuted to the discussion and no hard feelings for this. Easy Show some understanding and accept others’ expressions of their opinions.Mature pipo learn to disagree or agree in a decent way.The good or bad constitution is not for the Oasis but will be for us all.So there is genuine fear and panic by the govt that if the constitution will be pipo driven politicians will lose some power and many face difficult times after leaving offices.
‘MMD limiting NGOs’ participation in constitution making process’
NGOCC board chairperson Marian Munyinda has said the MMD is trying to limit the participation of certain non governmental organisations in the constitution-making process through the NGO Bill.
And some opposition members of parliament have called for the withdrawal of the NGO Bill to allow for more consultation with major stakeholders.
In an interview during a meeting organised by civil society under the auspices of NGOCC, Civil Society for Poverty Reduction and Zambia Council for Social Development, Munyinda said the government had included the NGO Bill in the draft Constitutional Bill even though it had not passed.
She said the civil society organistions invited all the members of parliament from all political parties including the MMD who shunned the meeting.
Munyinda said the NGO Bill had far-reaching
#117 Easy: How do you expect me to follow you who don’t even live in Zimbabwe. Am telling you that people in Zimbabwe don’t have basic needs like water, bread, cooking oil,Maize. And you are saying that am listening to wrong people. I did not say Mugabe is bad neither will i say it, they are telling me. My last pastoral week i went to Bulawayo. I saw it, the people their live in fear. Man am a missionary i go to the most abandoned places and they are many in Africa let me repeat myself i don’t hate Africa i love it thats why i work in Africa. If you would come down from where you are. You would see or hear what am trying to say. In Zambia i visit places where people have never seen a car. Am saying a car not a Vehicle. Its bad my friend the so called democracy is not working we need to have something else thats why am participate in this blog to hear what you guys are thinking. Dont be protective of our leaders when they hear they wont do anything……
Mbozi #124, Good post. I also support the O.F. demo. These guys are representing those who have not been hand picked by lpm.
Easy, you have lost it bro, take it easy. Most of the people that you claim are representing the rest like MPs, some chiefs, a selected few number of NGOs amongst others are simply representing themselves only! Ba kaponya also need to be represented just like every one else. If anything, ba kaponya are the majority who represent the voting masses. They are the ones that live in the ghettos that you wouldn’t even last one full day if you had to live there yourself. let the people take there struggle to the streets!!
Easy my friend i live in Zimbabwe i go there more frequently than you think. I know the tribal conflicts between Ndebeles and Shonas and why the Ndebeles don’t like Mugabe. I know a lot of missions from Masina to Chirundu border Zambian side. Don’t say that am ignorant about whats going on in Zim. In South Africa now i live with Zimbabweans. Thats why i say most of the leaders in Africa have the same mentality like yours they think they know everything. I thought you were a sharp person but know am doubting???
Easy:::: correction::: a car not a truck or land cruiser or bus, these big vehicles.
Chibwe#128 My take on Zim is that the current problems are not entirely mugabe’s problems esp as far as the ecomony of zim is concerned. Britain and the west messed up zim so that the can send a message to those others who might be thinking of land redistribution like SA, Nambia and soon Zambia! What we can learn from this is that never give too much power to white people in your country because when you try it take that economic power back, they will fight back with all there might. On tribalism in zim between shonas and ndebebeles that is true. Shonas through mugabe have been very stupid against there own brothers and sisters, the ndebeles. Mugabe in the past used the state to fight useless tribal wars, at one point even reportedly killed up to 20,000 ndebeles who were part of the liberation struggle against his tribal agendas. More recently however, I have met ndebeles who have respected mugabe for taking back the land and giving it to all zimbabweans.
#130 Thanks for thinking like an African don’t be like #118 a coconut(not an insult please) white inside and black or brown out side. Its true that Zim problems is not Entirely Mugabe’s problems but hearing from what you are saying or the statement itself Mugabe has problems. And i think(not feel) he is now adding to the problems the whites caused, instead of freeing his own people he is now imprisoning them. Mugabe thinks, i can assure you that he is freeing them but if you talk to the Zimbabweans most of them feel he has gone too far. And thats why i said i can not blame him. He does not understand how to ran a country democratically. Most of the African leaders do not understand. Thats what am trying to say. Thats why even if the Europe or USA educated Oasis forum members think that if they demo at the SADC meeting something will be done. i can bet you no!!!! nothing instead let them try to talk about education most African aint. this is the foundation!!!!!
#126 Chibwe You are pastor and I hope you real understand the suffering of an african. i hope not like that archibishop from Bulawayo? To start with did attend the G8 Summit in Germany in May this year.If so what did you see if you are saying the west are more democractic than us. If not please find out. Too as #130 as said this correct think that every Zimbabwean must have towards their country before it becomes another Palestine- promised land. The ZIM is very complicated such that UN, AU, EU run away from solving the problem. Even Kufour one time asked what he can do with Zimbabwean problems he just its very senstive. I will just refer you to the Rwanda genocide and ask those Zimbabwean what do they know about it. I mix with the most poorest pipo on earth I was in Zambia when the country was hit by hunger in 1983 and I know what it means to go without a meal for a week. Dont underlate me Africa has Problems but shoulder the problems on pipo like Bob its very unfair.
Know the routes of this problems and what those who are behind the cricises in ZIM are up. Tell me is mugabe stopping the companies from buying essential commodities or it is done somewhere remote to cramble the current govt and melt it down. As long as we are depending on companies like BP, Total to supply us with fuel we have no chances to understand on our own and defend ourselves. African countries should start think like South american who have managed to be independent economically then you will see change. Change that will bring results. Here what the those who are patrons in politics say.Prof Mutambara dismissed Mr Tsvangirai as a hopeless leader, remarking that even though he may be viewed by some as “brave”, the truth is that he certainly lacks the “strategic vision” to transform Zimbabwe into a globally competitive economy.Likening Mr Tsvangirai to Mr Frederick Chiluba — a former bus conductor and trade unionist who toppled President Kenneth Kaunda of Zambia.
in the 1991 elections but was later tainted by accusations of corruption and economic mismanagement — Prof Mutambara said “bravery is not enough… you need an economic vision”.”You may be brave, have guts, but what is needed is to have a vision… strategy and tactics,” he said. Zimbabweans need to cooperate else they are fighting a losing battle someone else will win it. You tell those Zimbabweans to be strong and stop listen to kachepa Radio like the SW Radio hosted in UK. They are killing their own country. Ba Chibwe Zambia has white farmers why is that they are accepted despite the bad things they did to get land. Just think deeply and preach knowledge and sense to the Zimbabweans to learn to love their country and fight for it at all cost. In Lesotho there is hunger looming but is not the interest of the west?
You are blaming Africa for not being strong like South America. Now i don’t understand if you are blaming the innocent people or those in power like Mugabe and the rest of SADC leaders to be specific? what am hearing you say, is that in Africa we don’t have good leaders at the moment. hope am not mistaken. my question is who are those leaders who are bad and are putting an obstacle for Africa not to be like South America? Is it the white leaders or African leaders? if its the whites then it is a problem that the leaders we choose democratically are puppets. If its the African leaders themselves then they are power angry. You now see that either way it goes back to our leaders. In South America my friend leaders fought for the people not for power. And still up to now they are struggling. i don’t want to go there. I want us to stick to Africa. When you hate Mwanawasa or mugabe,that does not mean that you hate your country. You want change and most of Africans like you feel frightened.
You see now oasis forum has been denied permission. O.S should be focused.
#134I think you have got anger for whites. And that wont help us solve African problems. African leaders are not doing enough. Thats why even if the noise about the Demo does not happen or it happens nothing will happen like what is happening in Zim.
its good they have denied them permission and it does not add any weight because poor Zambians who are the majority and are not educated will think as if there is war if the demo is granted this is because, they don’t understand what a demo is. Teach them first then let them demo peacefully… these leaders are taking advantage of there powers…….thats why they will always tell a poor Zambian that it is wrong to demo because they will be war. a poor Zambian who is not educated will accept this because fear has been bumped in his or her mind. and noneducational programs continues!!!!!!!!!
#137 i dont hart whites but dont like they treat a black regardless of where they are what they do how they look like how educated they. i leave diaspora bwana chibwe i have seen how a black person suffers at the hands these western. white man will not give you anything telling you its free but the reality is always different. Anyway they are few who are good but I stop trying them long before because I know the hippo leaves in water. Pastor you are also a leader what are doing to improve awareness among our african brothers. Dont just sit and complain always saying leaders are selffish is not good do something to better the situation in Zambia we vote every 5 years and give those leaders powers. so why not vote wisely if you think wrong pipo are in power. look at your change of leadership in 1991. Zambia was for 10 years a real sinking Tatanic, thank god the sherpard chose the right sheep at least things have changed. Ba Chibwe also working hard is an element which must be encouraged
Rememeber I dont believe in politics but leadership at all levels. Only that way can society function.
Education is the key in Africa
#141 Pastor Chibwe there is a new topic for you to propound link up later. Abid by him how created you for he gives and takes away in the name of the lord Jesus christ Amen
Keep E’m coming
UPND, SACCORD IN SUPPORT OF CC
THE United Party for National Development (UPND) and the Southern African Centre for the Constructive Resolutions of Disputes (SACCORD) are in support of the National Constitutional Conference (CC), saying President Mwanawasa meant well over the Constitution-making process.The UPND was of the view that the Bill was aimed at bringing reconciliation in the country and that it was aimed at arriving at national consensus on the Constitution-making process.
However, the UPND said the President should not have absolute powers to dissolve the CC and that the composition of the body must include various stakeholders.
UPND secretary general, Tiens Kahenya said this yesterday when his party made submissions to the NCC Bill before the Parliamentary committee on Legal Affairs, Governance, Human Rights and Gender Matters.
The UPND becomes the first political party to make submissions to the committee.
Mr Kahenya was accompanied to the committee, chaired by Monze MP Jack Mwiimbu (UPND) by Mazabuka MP Garry Nkombo, and his Mapatizya counterpart Ackson Sejani.The party reiterated the need for the entire adoption through a referendum and Parliament should afterwards enact without any alterations.
Such moves, Mr Kahenya said, would instill confidence in many people that had expressed misgivings over Government’s intentions of enacting a new Constitution.
“We propose the addition of two representatives from the General Nursing Council, three representatives of Trade Unions nominated by Zambia Congress of Trade Unions,†Mr Kahenya said.Chimbamilonga MP Brian Sikazwe (MMD) asked Mr Kahenya if the UPND was comfortable with the composition of the Zambia Centre for Inter-party Dialogue (ZCID).
Mr Kahenya said even political parties that did not have representation in Parliament still had representation in ZCID.Bangweulu MP Joseph Kasongo (PF) asked as to the time frame that the UPND would want the Constitution enacted, but Mr Kahenya said from the roadmap given so far, by December 2008, the Constitution would have been in place.He said it was clear that the Government was serious with the issue of giving the Zambian people a Constitution that they had been yearning for sometime now.
SACCORD programme manager, Boniface Cheembe, submitted to the same committee that the Bill was not controversial as it was initially thought.Mr Cheembe said it was clear on many salient points such as immunity of members of the Conference.The organisation further recommended that the Conference must have legislative powers not to allow the Constitution being altered by various political parties.All People’s Congress Party president, Ken Ngondo, also supported the NCC, saying those opposed the body had hidden agendas.
MARKETEERS SHUN SADC DEMOS
Zambia National Marketeers Association (ZANAMA) says there is no justification for the civil society to demonstrate over the constitution during the forthcoming SADC summit in Lusaka. ZANAMA Chairman General, Elvis Nkandu said Zambia’s hosting of the SADC summit should be treated as an honour for the nation.
Mr. Nkandu told ZNBC News in an interview that this is the time for everyone to be happy and ensure, the summit is a success.He said it will be embarrassing to visiting dignitaries for civil society to parade itself at the summit over a domestic issue.Mr. Nkandu said the issue of the constitution is internal, and should be resolved through dialogue.He appealed to marketeers not to get involved in the planned demonstrations
#142 Thanx hope we have both grown or learnt somthing i wish all the Zambians could read this>>>>>
What cheap claims to democracy, refusing permits for a demo, inspite of having followed the right channels.
Really has nothing to do with security, more to do with the other “S”, “Scared!!”
Why is it okay for MMD riff ruffs to have a solidarity match and yet denying the OASIS organised demonstration?Is it democracy we have in Zambia or it`s demon crazy(ingulu)?
To us crusaders of democracy and the free enterprise, it’s been really sad to see how a supposedly civil society has sold its moral platform to the evil political opportunism, anarchy and sponsored acrimony against Zambians. The Oasis forum under Mwenya Mwewa a PF cadre lost it all the very time it entered into that “unholy acrimonious alliance†with the PF.
There and then it lost its civic values and public good will from a cross section of pro democracy crusaders. Sadly, its now headed by some reckless and over ambitious political stooges with patronage in PF. That development has worsened the forum’s susceptibility and desperation on public matters. It carries a badly irreparable public image from a true people’s movement largely believing it as a front of “Evil anarchists against the peace loving Zambiansâ€.
The front has failed to fill the gap of civil society politics democracy brings. Instead, it has become an auxiliary of the hopeless indoctrinating political fantasy void of realistic dimensions. On the Demo, it has lost it again. My advice to our custodians of peace is DON’T BE TOO SOFT WITH ANARCHISTS. We pay taxes spare us from fanatics who have failed in their lives. Serious Zambians have the challenge of building wealth and Jobs for all. Where these fanatics have failed, we the ingenious outrival them.
Our plans are big and on course to be compromised by mischievous ne’er-do-well political cadres masquerading as the civil society. It is in the Democratic rights of these parochial pseudo activists to stand up and enter the competitive politics as politicians under registered political parties instead of tarnishing the civil society image. Let them be advised and regulated to observe the roles of the civil society in democracy and not offer themselves as political acrimony fronts against Zambians.
It’s Peace loving Zambians vs. Anarchists
Evil against Good
Oasis/PF against Zambians
SCORES DEMONSTRATE IN SUPPORT OF NCC BILL.
FODEP HAPPY WITH NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CONFERENCE BILL CONTENTS
UPND, SACCORD IN SUPPORT OF CC
MARKETEERS SHUN SADC DEMOS
Chitimukulu and Kanongesha denounces time wasters and upholds CC road map. They also register gratitude for the successful Agriculture support policies bearing much fruits to the sector.
That said, without apology I don’t support the aborted Oasis/PF anarchy demonstration. In this vein, I advise LT.General Shikapwasha the Home office head to realize that we pay taxes. Provide leadership against any form of vandals. Our investments and interests must never be at the peril of those who have failed to reason, dialogue or economically make it in the free market economy.
We need every form of stability to foster our business opportunities we have already ploughed in so much in the economy. We are set to pool in more partnership resources as we endeavor to fully realize the dream of possessing the wealth of our land. Anarchists are sponsored enemies of the People and emerging wealth builders.
From time in memory, sponsored frictional politics has failed this nation. It is the duty of every patriot and visionary citizen to denounce them and outright crash their compromised soul agenda against hope and peace for all.
IT’S TIME FOR SELF INTROSPECTION
A well meaning activist would not promote anarchy. A closer study of the so called oasis Forum reveals that their confusion driven agenda is legally contemptible and frivolous to follow. They want the current constitution to be shredded and trashed then a new one adopted on their terms.
They feel their agenda should take precedence over all non Oasis forum/PF aligned Zambians and Government. They want Government to take a rubber stamp role typical of titular administrations without a Give and take spirit. Where Government and the popular patriotic population has spotted and hindered their unsympathetic motives, they have counted on anarchy to blood-let peaceful Zambian souls.
No learned soul, patriot, visionary, entrepreneur, law abiding democrat or progressive person would endorse their anarchy centered agenda motivated by lawlessness. We are not emerging from a war or under some junta transitioning into Democracy to warrant their approach. If we shred the supreme law of the land-Constitution on which the country is governed, under what laws will Government be administered? Where will the branches of Government; Executive, Legislature and the Judiciary derive their powers to run this country? Anything done in the absence of a constitution would be illegal. The Presidency would be illegal; Commander in-chief powers would be illegal. This is how lawless these anarchists are. They are an immediate danger to support and align with under any circumstance of democracy.
The ZCID is the most inclusive approach towards a people based constitution. The current Oasis forum/PF is not a Zambian voice and has no mandate to dictate our way. I challenge all cadres blindly buying the idea of anarchy to find some time and look at “Reciprocal effects of party identification and policy opinions in a multi party systemâ€. If Oasis forum thinks it has the People’s mandate, let it enter and compete in the political arena and measure its worth. In the same vein, I challenge their disillusioned legion to consolidate their support and prove us disdained entrepreneurs that they are worth our support. I beat my last dollar they are nothing but a legion of rumbling trolls with a hollow place in the Zambian power politics.
Pragmatist you are so two faced, bent and lacks moral judgement. As long as it is MMD you will support even when from your bottom of your heart you are sure it is wrong.You are preaching about being learnt, visionary, patriot and law abiding citizens thats what all these pipo who want to demostrate are.There is money for MMD cadres who were demostrating a few days ago but for Oasis is anarchists and lawless citizens. If you are eating , housed, employed and have access to anything coz you are MMD cadre dont think you are too smart and well informed guy. The constitution is for the pipo and not for politicians like you a selfish and uncultured political thug. Why are you panicking and fretting? You political aliens who can not listen till you have it hard. How many times are you going to fool pipo and steal their way of live? Pragmatist you are a rumbling political shame of the modern political era, driven by manipulation and selfiness of identity thru attacking Oasis/PF.
The Oasis Forum should not give in to the Lunatic behaviour being propagated by these MMD thugs.Suppression is never a solution to solving any problems in this modern day and era.Why are these MMD DEMAGOGUES so scared of the Oasis Forum if they are not representing the general populous.In a democracy,we have got to protect the freedom of expression and assembly irrespective of our personal conflict with opinions being put accross.Diversity of views should be encouraged by any objective and normal thinking person.It`s a very simple analogy that if the Oasis Forum are not representing majority of Zambians then such demonstrations would be their downfall coz they would lack any following.My advice to Oasis is that if they are representing poor Zambians then they should not back off from doing what is right and of noble course.Like they say that if there`s no enemy within the enemy outside can do us no harm.It`s entirely up to the people to decide who is on their side or not.
#153 MBOZI…PRAGMATIST,VETERAN,SOPHIST or PAPARAZZI(all one person) lacks objectivity.Kindly refer to the archives and check the passion with which he denounces the corruption that took place in the previous gov.Yet he`s been MUTE on the CHITOBA saga and any other corruption or theft cases against the current gov.Check the levels of paste and copy that he does just to divert the bloggers attention on any topic that covers the scandals that implicates the current gov.Instead of responding to the issues you`ve raised,he`s gona go after your personality but this defeats the whole purpose of democracy.
Chapi, I’m not like those thugs used by MMD to label other contributors or Oasis forum as being undemocratic because they do not conform/ follow MMD idealogy by attacking and calling them names.I support those who speak for the less able to speak for themselve (Oasis)
#156.MBOZI.Zambia needs objective and morally upright individuals like you that can help shape its destiny.We need vissionaries and not paid cadres to determine the direction our beloved nation should take.Shame on these people that are just after a few pieces of silver and the prestige of Power at the expense of the suffering masses.What has happened to our MORALS?
Fred M’membe is a very confused animal. Here he goes again shamelessly trying to redeem a troubled group whose impulsive moves have hit a snag. The Oasis Forum vowed to fight GRZ and stage a demo come what may. GRZ has said to hell with your threats we are not curving in. Try it and be responsible on consequences. Realizing the no nonsense tone of GRZ, Sata and his Oasis forum develops Shikishiki polomya. They are cognizant of where they would be languishing for the next 14 days. So M’membe don’t embarrass yourself, GRZ has denied these chaps what they wanted and not that they have cancelled. You helped them in building fake courage to challenge GRZ. But today just because you have realized the uncompromising mind of umushika Shikapwasha you are trying to distance yourself and offer a fake recovery editorial? That is cheap flippancy. Credible people stand their ground and confess their huddles on the way without cooking cheap stories. The whole country knows that Oasis forum has been pressed had in the corner against its conspiracies with Sata. They have finished themselves until another civil society group emerges. The Oasis forum has become a shame and reliability. We need clean non politicized activist in the Genuine Civil society if Democracy has to nurture.
POLICE DENY OASIS DEMONSTRATION PERMIT
POLICE in Lusaka has denied Oasis Forum and the Collaborative Group on the Constitution (CGC) permission to demonstrate over the constitution making process during next week’s SADC heads of state summit in Lusaka. Acting Lusaka division police commanding officer Kedrick Zombe has informed Oasis Forum that he had a shortage of officers to monitor the demonstration. Zombe has since proposed July 21, 2007 as an alternative day for the Oasis to hold the demonstration.
But Oasis Forum spokesperson Musa Mwenye yesterday said he sympathised with the police officers because they were acting under political pressure. Mwenye said Oasis Forum and CGC members were all law abiding citizens. He said he was happy that the police have finally given a response, unlike the ministers that were making political statements on the planned demonstrations.â€I don’t know how genuine the police are in this response but I sympathise with them because they are acting under political pressure,†he said.
He said demonstrations on August 21, could not be possible because that would be after the SADC summit which they were targeting. Mwenye said the Oasis Forum and the CGC would have a meeting where they would decide the way forward.The Oasis Forum and CGC have planned a demonstration during the SADC heads of state summit to urge other regional leaders to help Zambia resolve the constitutional problem.
Last month, home affairs minister Lieutenant General Ronnie Shikapwasha said the Oasis Forum should leave the SADC heads of state alone. Foreign affairs minister Mundia Sikatana also said the constitution-making process was an internal issue that should be left to the Zambians.Later chief government spokesperson Mike Mulongoti said the Oasis Forum and CGC were free to picket SADC heads of state, as long as they would abide by the law.
But justice minister George Kunda on Sunday said the Oasis Forum’s planned demonstrations were unnecessary at present as the government was putting in place the National Constitutional Conference Bill to adopt the new constitution. He said proponents and organisers of demonstrations, chaos and strikes would be held responsible for any damage to property, loss of life or lawlessness, which would occur during demonstrations.
Kunda said it was unfortunate that the Oasis Forum and “those bent on derailing the constitutional review process†intended to demonstrate against government during the SADC heads of state summit next week.
Chapi calls me a Demagogue for my principles. He hates this; but hey he is just one of many disillusioned imbeciles I have no reasons or responsibility to please. Like his friend Mbuzi, they are PF thugs doing their Sata assignments. I’m no PF cadre known for political fantasy.
MATEYO RULES OUT OASIS FORUM DEMO
THE Oasis Forum will not go ahead with its planned demonstration over the constitution making process during the Southern Africa Development Community (SADC) heads of State summit because Police has inadequate manpower to offer the organisation security.
Inspector General of Police, Ephraim Mateyo, said that the Oasis Forum should respect the Police’s decision.“As much as it would have been possible for the police to allow them, there were a number of issues taken into account,†he said.
He was speaking at a press briefing in Lusaka yesterday.The Oasis Forum had served notice to the Police informing the Lusaka command of its intention to picket SADC leaders on the perceived disagreements in the constitution making process.Mr Mateyo said since there would be close to 13 Heads of State and other dignitaries in Lusaka, Police’s manpower would be inadequate to also man the Oasis Forum’s demonstration.“It has always been my stand to cooperate with the non-governmental organisations.
I know that they want to conduct a peaceful demonstration and they have done it before. But we are asking them to also cooperate with us and understand our position.“What if some people try to disrupt their procession? Police should be on hand to protect even the Oasis Forum from disruptive elements.
But I don’t have enough officers,†he said. Mr Mateyo said the police had given the forum an alternative date after the SADC summit on which to demonstrate.The SADC heads of State summit would be held between August 16 and August 18, 2007.“They should work with me and respect our decision just like I have respected their decisions in the past,†he said.
Mr Mateyo also said the Zambia Police Service would deploy over 2,000 police officers to provide security to heads of State, other dignitaries and members of the public during the summit.He said police wanted to ensure that there was law and order in all the townships of Lusaka.“I wish to appeal to all Zambians, that this is the first time that our President is taking over the chairmanship of SADC.
It is therefore our duty as Zambians to rally behind the President by providing what we can to satisfy the needs of our visitors,†the Inspector General of Police said.Mr Mateyo warned that it would be the duty of the Police to deal firmly but fairly with any offender during the SADC summit period.“I am ready to take up the challenge to ensure that the safety of all the dignitaries who are coming is maintained. We will ensure that we keep criminals out of the coverage area,†he said.
Mr Mateyo said since he launched the patrols in townships, police were picking up at least 100 people for various offences everyday.He directed head of Police Public Relations Bonny Kapeso to ensure that journalists were protected from any harassment by police officers.Mr Mateyo said Mr Kapeso and his team should be at all functions where members of the press would be required to be to protect them. However, he appealed to members of the media to ensure that they reported positively and objectively.“We are all one and so we should work together.Police officers are there to maintain law and order and journalists are also there to inform members of the public,†he said.
And Mr Mateyo has thanked his fellow police chiefs in Southern African countries for allowing him to chair the Southern Africa Regional Police Chiefs Cooperation Organisation (SARPCO).He said the Southern African region needed to coordinate and work together with International Police (INTERPOL) to ensure illegal immigrants did not enter to destabilise the countries.“Some come to destabilise countries by involving themselves in criminal activities and drug related issues,†he said.
Mwanawasa embraces dialogue
From Sylvia Jere-Kabala, Penang, Thursday
PRESIDENT Mwanawasa has called on stakeholders in the Constitution review process to embrace dialogue in order to effectively address critical issues relating to the enactment of the new Republican Constitution.
Mr Mwanawasa said the principle of dialogue should be applied in the process as it would afford people a forum for expressing and responding to specific issues of concern.
Mr Mwanawasa said the just-ended eighth Langkawi International Dialogue (LID) in Malaysia emphasised the importance of dialogue as an effective tool for addressing various challenges within and among nations.
The President told ZANIS in Langkawi, Malaysia, yesterday on the eve of his departure for London en route to Zambia, that the Government was ready to embrace dialogue in its endeavour to find solutions to social, political and economic challenges facing the country.
Mr Mwanawasa was impressed with the manner in which the Government, private sector and civil society interacted on various issues during the Langkawi Dialogue.
Meanwhile, the just-ended LID 2007 in Malaysia stressed the need for member countries to adopt a holistic approach to the development of human capital as an indispensable factor in achieving sustainable social and economic development.
The Dialogue, which was attended by over 500 delegates from 40 countries around the globe, also came up with an Action Plan that highlighted the need for governments to put in place practical policies and measures for eradicating poverty.
The governments and private sector were hence advised to establish national coordination bodies that would coordinate institutions in the implementation of poverty eradication programmes.
President Mwanawasa said the Government, in collaboration with the private sector, would take advantage of Zambia’s hosting of the next International Dialogue to showcase the investment potential and rich tourist destinations in the country.
The President said he would propose that the next Dialogue in Zambia should be held in August so that it coincides with the Agriculture and Commercial Show. This would enable local entrepreneurs and other investors to showcase their products to the international delegates that would come for the Dialogue.
Government would work out a strategy that would ensure that delegates to the Lusaka International Dialogue find time to view the national heritage sites and other tourist destinations such as the Victoria Falls.
“I intend to propose that the Lusaka International Dialogue be held round August during the period of the Agriculture and Commercial Show so that we are provided with the opportunity to showcase our potential in various sectors of our economy,†President Mwanawasa said.
President Mwanawasa announced during the official closing dinner of LID 2007 that Zambia would host the next Dialogue that would take place in Lusaka.
Meanwhile, President Mwanawasa will this monthend be the guest of honour at the 2007 Swaziland international Trade Fair.
President Mwanawasa will also attend Swaziland’s national traditional Reed Mat ceremony scheduled on September 4.
Mr Mwanawasa said King Mswati III of Swaziland had invited him to grace the Trade Fair scheduled to take place on August 30 this year.
“King Mswati III has invited me to officially open Swaziland’s Trade Fair on August 30. He also asked me to stay on up to 4th September so that I attend the Reed Mat cultural ceremony taking place on 4th September,†Mr Mwanawasa said.
He said the invitation was testimony of the growing relations between Zambia and Swaziland, and hoped that the strong bonds of friendship between the two leaders transcended to the people of the two countries.
President Mwanawasa on Tuesday held private talks with King Mswati III, who was also attending the LID 2007.
Mr Mwanawasa has since left Malaysia for London on his way back home, and is expected to arrive in Lusaka tomorrow.
Veteran uli CHIKOPO SANA KABILI ULI CHISHUSHI icifukufuku. Stop copy and paste wecipubawe.
Kwapa kwapa kwapa (161),
We Mumbimunda we, ala ulichimbusu ichafwasa amafi. Wafula imititi muchimutwe icho. Who told you ba Veteran is here to appease you? Filabinduka fimafi mumala ngawamono ID yaba kalamba? Leave him alone he has some of us informed of important missed articles from the press.
Why didn’t you see anything wrong with Posts # 45, 109,111 & 125 but ba Veteran? Walefya ukutoba ama stores nomba nabai fyanta Agenda. Learn to make your own money clean and honourable that trickles to your entire family chain not vandalism. If we have done it, once you become umuntu, you could do it too. Fimano ifya Kukamatipa nanomba musamba pa sate we ala ifileke nafikufilwa!
Kwapa kwapa kwapa (161),
We Mumbimunda we, ala ulichimbusu ichafwasa amafi. Wafula imititi muchimutwe icho. Who told you ba Veteran is here to appease you? Filabinduka fimafi mumala ngawamono ID yaba kalamba? Leave him alone he has some of us informed of important missed articles from the press.
Why didn’t you see anything wrong with Posts # 45, 109,111 & 125 but ba Veteran? Walefwaya ukutoba ama stores nomba nabai fyanta Agenda hooooooooh. Learn to make your own money clean and honourable that trickles to your entire family chain not vandalism. If we have built our family wealth , once you become umuntu, you could do it too. Fimano ifya Kukamatipa nanomba musamba pa sate we ala fileke nafikufilwa!
Chapi (155, 157) & Mbozi (156),
Mbozi is a kid but Chapi I prefer calling Shapi, I have no question of your cynical character sufficiently spotted wherever your troubled and mischievous personality has shown up over your dark years.
Not being hilarious or picking a personal bash but just necessary to say your insurmountable challenges when it comes to objectivity, critical analysis on public affairs and patriotic matters remains a persisting source of worry. On these pillars of leadership, you have publicly proved beyond reasonable doubt as being amoral and an alien to the call of visionary roles. I don’t need more than the time I have sufficiently spotted your insidious motives against peace, democracy and dialogue on which many of us patriots firmly stand.
I’m sorry am no pattern of anarchy and violence you pride in. I believe in Dialogue and brainpower to resolve confronted public affairs differences period. But on your so called vision, I have seriously failed to believe your romanticism for anarchy and lawlessness on one hand while on the other one its rhetoric on visionary national leadership.
A mature and patriotic citizen wouldn’t miss the significance of the SADC conference scheduled for Lusaka. Would not prefer seeing thugs violent over for the benefits the conference would foster to the region. Regional perception that Zambia is an oasis of peace not mentioning Levy taking up the regional group chairmanship would foster a lot of opportunities that will consequently trickle down to the people whereas your violence takes away.
And you are shamelessly calling your fellow enemies of peaceful Zambians as visionary all for their thoughtless passion to wreck carnage. You even have the audacity to call your fellow hoodlum as being the objective moral uprights because they sing the path of hegemony and lawlessness you dream too? It is not in my character to vilify those like you many of us visionary patriots find sadistic and treacherously compromised with unbridled hatred at all costs for those Democracy and good will have favored to provide leadership.
All these issues aside, I pledge to find ways of helping you out of your amoral disillusionment. I regret that the MMD era politics have left you bitter, amoral and defunct in values for this country. Stand up and be counted with a sense of responsibility and objectivity.
Ewe KaJoze,
We mumbimunda wee, kwena ulichimbusu ichafwasa amafi. Wafula imititi muchimutwe icho ichabula amano. Ukushikwata amano nganoko waluse mu Bedi. Pali Satana obe ulakwata mudiku diku fiya akwata nook pamunyenga tee. Who told you ba Veteran is here to appease you? Filabinduka fimafi mumala ngawamono ID yaba kalamba? Leave him alone he has some of us advised. Satan na pozona Given Lubinda alefwaya kumwipaya. You haven’t heard that Lubanda’s lungs have suddenly failed. He sacrificed Mark Mushili’s seat in Ndola, fighting Chimumbwa in Nchanga, frustrated Saki in the Alliance and Now poisoned Given Lubinda all his mediate threats at the conventions. Ulichinangwa ichatipwiwa wafita pamenso nobubi ngegoshe. Wanya kuyabebele nendoshi inonko satana.
We lomba wee, walefwaya ukutoba ama stores nomba nabai fyanta Agenda hooooooooh. Learn to make your own money clean and in honorable ways until it trickles to your entire family of devils and not vandalism. If we some of us have built our family wealth through smart ways, once you become umuntu, you could do it too. Fimano ifya Kukamatipa nanomba musamba pa sate we ala fileke nafikufilwa!
The MMD sees to have infiltrated lerned minds and so making them fail to think and to exercise their rights. Would you guys be happy with Zambia has it now been for the Seattle and Hong Kong demos which helped us with G* guys rethinking their policies and support? When OASIS has lost it or not, they have the right to demonstrate. We used to stone cars at UNZA and we got results through that. Those of you who we watching TV while we fought battles with the police cannot understand this at all because you are blue-eyed boys with a silver-spoon to your lips. Let the likes of Mbozi do the talking. Viva People’s Power!
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