THE Zambia Episcopal Conference (ZEC) has submitted the chairperson and the vice-chairperson of the proposed National Constitutional Conference (NCC) should be elected by the members among themselves.
In a presentation to the Parliament watchdog committee on Legal Affairs, Governance, Human Rights and Gender Matters, the ZEC stated that electing a chairperson and his vice for the NCC from amongst members would be the right thing to do.
“This is important in order to remove all suspicions of Presidential interference as there is always a feeling that where one is appointed by the President, then allegiance is owed to the appointing authority,†the submission stated.
The ZEC called on all participants to the NCC to be patriotic and serve on the basis of sponsorship by their own organisations so as to reduce overall costs.
“We thus propose that a mechanism be worked out so that respective organisations sponsor their candidate as a way of saving costs,†the submission states.
The ZEC was of the view that any interest group like political parties, civil society organisations or Government officials, must not dominate participation in the NCC. Control by a single group would not produce the desired Constitution.
“We therefore urge a clear public scrutiny of the participant list before it is approved,†the ZEC states.
The position of the ZEC on the roadmap was that of the recommendation by the Mung’omba Constitution Review Commission (CRC), which provided that, a popular body, the Constituent Assembly (CA), should adopt of the Constitution.
The composition of the NCC was one of the cardinal issues to the ZEC.
The ZEC felt that the NCC ignored the three step process recommended by the Mung’omba Commission namely adoption, approval by the people through a referendum and enactment by Parliament without further debate.
“In addition, we reiterate our strong view on the need for a proportional representation of all interest groups in the constitutional conference.
This is to facilitate balanced debate and objective resolution of matters that will be brought before the conference,†the submission reads in part.
Zambians wanted to have a Constitution that would be people driven and the ZEC stated that there was still room for the Government to positively engage all stakeholders and adopt a more progressive road map towards the enactment of a new Constitution.
The ZEC hoped that the creation of the constitutional conference if drafted in the spirit of accommodating all views would give a new window of hope that should give birth to a renewed sense of dialogue and peaceful negotiations.
“We therefore call upon the Government to keep its doors of consultation open.
All stakeholders, in short all Zambians need to seize this opportunity to work in harmony for a better Zambia,†the statement says.
The Citizens Forum in its submission to the same committee called for the withdrawal of the NCC bill so that it could be redrafted in accordance with what Zambians said through the submissions to the CRC.
Meanwhile, Zambia Congress of Trade Unions (ZCTU) has reiterated that the National Constitution Conference (NCC) bill should be withdrawn from Parliament to allow for more consultation.
ZCTU president, Leonard Hikaumba said the NCC might appear good but the perception that it was a product of one group would make it illegitimate.
This was because it did not matter whether the bill had answered people’s concerns or not but the people needed to feel part of the process.
He said the ZCTU had talked to Government and other concerned parties on the importance of consensus and the need to be open minded with a strong unity of purpose and inclusiveness.
Mr Hikaumba has said the OASIS Forum should have stuck to it guns over the planned demonstrations at the Southern African Development Community (SADC) Heads of State summit which will be officially opened this week.
“The chickening out by OASIS Forum will make people doubt the extent of the movements commitment,†he said.
 Times of Zambia
That’s what ba Sata wanted rigth from the start and not to be imposed KAKA as chairman. Ala Sata ulimwaume and only *****s can open their mouths wide open letting out scorpions, lizards, kolyokolyo, fulunyemba coming out.
That’s what ba Sata wanted rigth from the start and not to be imposed KAKA as chairman. Ala Sata ulimwaume and only *****s can open their mouths wide open letting out scorpions, lizards, kolyokolyo, fulunyemba coming out and Denouncing the hard work of ba Sata inka yamilimo yabantu bonse who does not know the word tribalism. He works tireless for the pipo he loves. Shi Chilufya ala tufumya mwa Pharao twacula pafula….nefilamba nomba fyalikeka nokulukuta, tutambafye nomba.
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#1.2
Ka Jose,
Issues like this are way above SATA.
We know his previous intercourse with constituion making proccess under Kaunda and Chiluba.
Sta is a tyrant worse than Bokassa, Idi Amin and Hitler
#3 ci ci ci citizen
I do agree with u, this issue is above ba Sata and below you and that makes him to be a linkage between you and NCC, hence man of the pipo. Remember KAKA imposed himself as chairman and ba Sata was agaist it right from the beginning te? Now eat you words iwe ci ci ci citizen (I stammer ) and appreciate his work.
#3 ci ci ci citizen
Are you justifying point #2 te?
4# Ka Jose
You are truly confused. I am sure you are failing to tell the difference between ZCID where Katele Kalumba was elected Chairman by other board members and NCC which has not yet come into being.
The issue here if I can simplify it for you is that Government proposed that the chair of NCC be appointed by the president while most members of Oasis forum propose that he be elected by the delegates themselves from amongst them.
That cheap chamba you bought at Chibombo on your way from Kabwe seems to have turned whatever had remained of your brain upside down.
ci Citizen
Do you know how to read? Do I mention KAKA being a chairman of NC C somewhere? KAKA had never being elected as chairman of ZCID and he was just dragged in that position by Chuchu who wanted the same chap to take precedence over chairmanship. Young man I don’t smoke dobo and if you come pa inters you only find me with a lot of books, news papers, anyway you are welcome for a cup of tea. Meanwhile am still in Ndola with Kuku make a movie “Sheli†commencing tomorrow and if you need a copy of Sheli contact me at
[email protected] (NB* there is_ between ba and joze)
I don’t think the Forum request is unreasonable at all (suprisingly)Why should the president appoint the chairman and vice anyway? Yes, let the members choose for themselves, besides a chairman cannot single handedly alter/delete any submissions made, he is there merely as an administrative head.Imposing a chairman would create a “bad vibe” and give rise to unnecessary suspicions.LPM, let them choose the chair and vice chair from among themselves.(give a dog a bone !!!)
#8 The Original Pundit
weldone, hats off and let ci citizen get some knowledge from you mukaamba.
Ka Joze (4),
Ulapatula sana ichisungu. Why don’t you waffle in your Luvale tone instead of bitting the tongue with sentences full of incoherences from A-Z? Or alternatively, drop out of blogging your usual rubbish except weekends for some night school commitment. Behind your makeshift one room house in Chibolyo Compound, there is a new night school opened by Mr.Manjata and Henry Mtonga.
Read through your incoherences below:
#3 ci ci ci citizen
I do agree with u, this issue is above ba Sata and below you and that makes him to be a linkage between you and NCC, hence man of the pipo. Remember KAKA imposed himself as chairman and ba Sata was agaist it right from the beginning te? Now eat you words iwe ci ci ci citizen (I stammer ) and appreciate his work.
we should encourage transparency throughout this landmark process.Muli ifi fintu takuli ati aba niba boss !! the bosses in this process are the people so let LPM show some recognition to this fact, make deliberate effort to allay any suspicion of hidden agendas and we will succeed in the shortest time possible and at minimum cost. Anyone wanting to make political capital out of it, should do so at THE END !!If anyone (MMD included) uses this to flex their political might or muscles will derail this important process and cause unneccessary confusion and mistrust.
#10 ka PM, AM and NOON
How much did I buy that unwanted respect you claim to have loaned me? I didn’t need it at all. By the way do I know you? Get lost in your wishful thinking and leave me alone. You chameleon who shifts camps and behaving like wind, iwe muselela kwakaba. Don’t get surprised if you know RUFQUA is my real name, ask SAGE, he will tell you my true ID. Ba AM, ala mwadabwisha, try to get some medicine at PM may you be alright and stick your stance. Am not luvale, soli, mabwe or nothing you may think of iwe ci noon. I speak and write better English than you who can’t even defend yourself. We all know that you can’t write more than 5 lines coz of u are scared ukusashila. Go and take a bath ulenuka icibe nolukupa
ci ci ci citizen
Natawanjishiba ine here we go…
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Ka AM
We lanjamba ndekupenena ka.
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ci ci ci citizen,
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Now we know the chap who writes and impersonates other pipo’s IDs nici AM ci pepe ifyamba ifyaku Darfur. AM grow up and contribute the topic at hand.
11 Original Pundit
Mwalanda bwino, namashiwi aya kankala aya shila. The bosses are the Zambian Citizens.
#13,14,15
it’s the donkey work of AM.THE CHAP IS MAD OVER SIZE. Service men plz remove the postings of AM of #13,14 and 15. The chap has over worked, it’s now PM NOW.
NB- ba Serviceman(Rtd),
My message in #13,14 and 15 mean well to AM na cicici citizen only that they come in my Rufaq dialect which many could battle with to capture the message.That is the lingo in the under world prayers Rufaq indoctrinates its followers.Please take your time to decipher the msg for the unconverted souls.
ALA NDICHISUSHI CHIMUTETEMA,
Guys guys. This is important, the composition of the NCC and its leadership will detremin wether we move forward in the constitution making process or we go back to square one. Lets put aside our blogging differences and for once bring out good and progressive ideas on this subject. If you remember one of the contencious issues to be addressed in the new constitution is presidential powers. If LPM appoints the chairman and vice of NCC , they will cartail the whole process. look at how Mwanamwambwa frastrates debates in parliament. We dont need a repeat of that.
#19 AM, PM, NOON,
STOP USING MY ID. Mind u I, everyone knows that I never use RUFQUA in small letters and the spelling is wrong.
AM Please listen
Ba Sage(21),mwaisa bwino….contents of the amendments!!I think the president and vice must be elected on the same ticket.The vice should be a running mate.Supreme Court justices must be a lifetime appointment with these judges choosing the Chief justice not the president.The office of the DPP must be elective,every 5 years.Ministers can be chosen from outside Parliament.
I’ve started the ball rolling on the “content” any comments ??
#21 SAGE.The reason I `ve personally lost confidence in this Constitutional proccess is the political manipulation that I foresaw coming into play at such a crucial stage.LPM knows what needs to be done in order to have a constitution that would stand the test of time but unfortunately wouldn`t risk that for obvious political backclash.Why there`s so much upheaval is just on a few contentious issues such as 51% majority vote for the President,FOI and Presidential Powers.If that can be tackled then it wouldn`t even matter who would Chair the NCC.
pandit, most people fail to connect economical development to political freedom. Constitutionaly Zambia is an autocratic state. The president has too much power to do anything he wants. i must say we have come along way looking at KK’s era but we still have long way to go. We have institutions like the police, Op, Courts, that citizens have no faith in because initially they where designed to serve one person. The president. When people where fighting the one party state, the biggest enrmy was the police. That remains so today. I believe the office of IG should be abolished and have each provice elect its provintial police chief. who should be elected every five years by the people. The point is you have to make officers answerable to the citizenary. In The US the president addresses ordinary people as sir and mem respectivelly, why? because he knows who the boss is. A police man addresses people as sir, if he doesnt its a firable offence.We have to get politics out of service delivery
Ba Chapi(25), no president in the world willingly presses the self destruct button !!!If we recognise this we are better placed to understand some of their decisions!!
Pandit you are right on the money, the battle is who runs the show. No president would want to be a spectator in a constitution making process. Besides one of his major tasks he has been given by the people is to protect the constitution. If we expect MMD to step aside while we make the new rules, You are one sandwithc short of a picnic, it wont happen. We have to understand incumbancy and the powers and privilages it comes with. Right now there is no law that can stop LPM from appointing any one Chirman or vice of the NCC. dont forget we have given the responsibility to protect the cons. So he has to have a chairman who will make sure the current constitutional provisions are not floated in the process of trying to make a new one.
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SAGE 28.Nobody here is contending that the constitution should be floated in order to have a new or merely amending the existing one.The points THE ORIGINAL PUNDIT raised in #24 can be accomplished without floatinog the existing constitution.If there`s political will,then we can have a people driven constitution.LPM has reached a crucial stage in his presidency and if he makes the right decisions about the constitution then he would completely turn this country arround for good and I would personally start calling him MWANAWESU!!!
Ba Jose… What has the global credit crunch go to do with Zambia? Zambia is a cash based society with its citizenly no access to credit. can you educate us on what is the relevance of your posting @#29 to Zambia.
AM,
All trails have read to your station over post # 29. I wrote that piece yesterday on my PC but forgot to activate the security system overnight. I warn you to stop or take the heat that comes with foolishness. Just impersonate your friend and not playing with my system. I will be ruthless without regard that you are my fellow national should you fool yourself further. I will post the who article i wrote on my PC which you have posted using your playmate’s ID.
Chapi the biggest contention to the new constittution and its mode of adoption is article 79 which is self protecting cluase. It calls for a referendum in order to be amended or replaced. All these manuvoring has to do with finding a way to amend section 79 without a referendum. which in itself is floating the constitution. the alternative is floating the constitution regardless of what you call it.
#33 Sage.If you remember what happened in 1991,the same Article 79 was just repealled.My contention is just to repeal the current constitution and insert what the people need.The main problem is that what the people want isn`t to LPM`s liking.
Hello Iam here but SAGE I have not seen any problem in the process the Constitution roadmap has taken. Its just yesterday or a day before when the president asked people tp dialogue. If you remember when I protested about the O.S demo I mentioned that instead of going on the streets and cause problems the NGOs should collect information they want to be included in the constitution. This ZEC has just done the right thing and we want more to come. There is noway we can run out one one another, we need everyones representative and contribution. Pilz bear in mind as you talk about the CRC the costs of CA is very huge and unbearable. This is also a critical thing. Learning to spend wisely is one thing we have to learn. Over the election of the chairman of NCC or appointment what is important is to have competent pipo who can drive the vehicle forward. On referendum it Part 3 and article 79 which should go this way. Thank you O.S forum for cancelling the demo. Teach your pipo how to demonstr
ate. When that edu is imparted then we can stage peaceful demos without destruction of property.
#34 Chapi you are missing the point please read the mungomba CRC the bill of Rights has to looked this where there is a lot of problems. For instant CRC provides that a non Zambian who have lived in Zambia for 12 years can stand for president. Which country on earth is doing this. A society like Zambia doesnt need such clauses beause we are already weak you will see us losing everything to newcomers since the have the money. we have to protect ourselves.
# SAGE
The posting of #29 is the work of AM at during PM. The chap is proper chainama case.
#38 Ba Jose where is Kuku not posting and bloging what is happening. Is he to busy to write a few lines or he is scared of insults. Now the NCC has taken a new twisted and we wating to se how LPM reacts to this. He wants dialogue and discussion what is good.
# 31 SAGE
The posting of #29 is the work of AM during PM. The chap is proper chainama case.He’s now a right off from our group and at the moment he feels it being a denial in society and any time he can commit suicide by overdosing himself with coke.
EASY #37 .Welcome.Kindly read all the postings that relate to the subject for you to understand my comment in #34 or else you`ll get it out of context.
# 31 SAGE
The posting of #29 is the work of AM during PM. The chap is proper chainama case.He’s now a right off from our group and at the moment he feels it being a denial in society and any time he can commit suicide by overdosing himself with coke.
Ba Jose welcome back, how is inters? Chapi, There are clauses in the cons that can be changed by a mere majority vote in paliament. Self protecting clauses like article 79 are designed to prevent autocrasy and abuse of power. The referendum requirement imposed by section 79 is a way of finding out what people want. right now no one know what people really want. the cons is debated in Lusaka. I hasnt been explained to the blocs in kasama or mongu. The main reason we are trying to avoid the referendum is the money assoc with the same. I have said we should grow up and start spending money of important issues. People look @ K500BN estimated as a lot of money. compare the cost of a flowed cons its not. If you mess with the cons you risk a civil war which could cost us trillions in terms of human life and political turmoil. We should invest in a good const. monking with the cons is not an alternative. what we know is what polititians want but we dont know what people want.
#Chapi, One thing is in 1991 when the cowb there was no cry of changing the constitution but just a section of it to allow Multiparty democracy. This time is the overhauling of the whole constitution. Can you bring the Data which article was repealled under Kaunda.
on demos. A demo is the only way the powerless and the voiceless can voice out. Its practice that is a very important tenet of democracy. What we need education on the part of the masses so that they understand what the purpose of a demo is. There is a differency between a demo and a riot. we should condem in the strongest terms anyone who turns a well meant demo into a riot. Organizations like oasis should not be organising demos because they have a platform. They can secure a meeting with LPM any time.They can even walk into parliament and state their case. so what are they trying to archive through demos? demos are people who have no way or opportunity to hair their views in a manare that can catch the eyes of the powers that be.
The use other peoples Ids is rampant on lusakatimes. If these underground owners of LT dont come out and fix this site we should give them an altimetum and go on strike for period of time untill they do something with the loggins. What kind of a site is this where you cant even send an email to the editor?
Sage(46), at times when the “usual suspects awake” alot of us just switch off and spend time participating elsewhere.You got contributors posting TOTALLY different topics against the ongoing thread.This afternoon we had Arabic postings…whats that? When a blog becomes immature and no longer stimulating and purposefully informative…..it time to move on…..life is too short!Your comment/question in #46 deserves a response to keep this site alive.
SAGE 46,
You must be a dumb sage. No one pulled you on LT or ever extends an invitation to troll. This is just a debate club without purpose or objectives. Participation is at owners’ pleasure unless someone pays you to fool yourself that it has any bearing on the political System on the ground. You have been here for long yet to day that’s when the concern has had a toll on you? Serviceman (Rtd) recently posted the traffic data of LT. It’s a blog of the same negligible patrons and not anything to alter ground events.At worst to know, no one from the ruling party or GRZ visits this template.
#48 You are probably the stupidest person on this blog. Secondly do you monitor all the politicians 24/7 for you to say no one visits this blog. If you are hear to waste time we are not, We share ideas hear that are progressive. i have personally learned alot from my collegues in this blog. So if you think this is a waste of time then you are stupid in the american sense.
Ba Fact(48), mwaba too harsh bwana comrade!sometimes it is nice have a site where a topical issues can be discussed at length,views shared and theories professed.Instead of going to pubs for the same camaradie we can have it on here….if people behave and act mature.Trust me,there are people from the ruling party and GRZ who make it a point to check what people have to say on LT.Unfortunately, some of their feedback is that the threads do not last very long before useless postings take over.Blogs are media outlets and the clued up ones have their finger on the ball of things.Do not underestimate the power of seemingly useless media channels like LT !!
The debate was going on smoothly but I see blows and punctures. So instead of fight I have a qustion on you all. What does the constitutio on say on housing and land rents? Since most pipo got house at a give away price how much do they pay as sitting tenants especially those who are areas like Kabulonga, Kalundu, Roma, Chelston, olympia park, ibex, ndeke in ndola, Kumayards in all towns. What did the CRC suggestd on this one. I know Veteran, Serviceman(RtD), Ba Jose, SAGE, TOP, AM, Mwaba in Dublin will give answers. Oh I almost forgot Makeni Area, Kafue, Kabwe, Kapiri Mposhi, I know most Zambians bought a house. We are writing the new constitution. Does Plot 1 pay rent to the council or who is in charge. Not NHA but the Muncipal council like LCC for them to generate funds.
Sage (49)
Slow down don’t pull your epileptic convulsions on me for being too sincere with you. LT is not a creation of some Ghost as you want others to believe but a fellow Zambian trying to keep you learning from the Insaka. But that doesn’t mean you should be that dumb to only throw up questions after months of some addiction to something. If you were smart surely you could have scanned your environment rather than what you are proving to be, impulsive blogger!
When I say it’s a small community of the same people without an audience yet, hey i speak as an empiricist but with much respect for people’s privacy rights. I know who is who and the level of addiction to the blog based on many validated details beyond the traffic data. So Alibaba Sage, take a deep breath then call me the most stupid frank character that you have come across in the cyber space. That does not take away my generosity to help those with misplaced hopes wasting their time in blogs but dreaming that they are breaking some political regime they hate. Had that been the case, MMD could have suffered a devastating loss in 2006 considering that the lies and hatred that characterized the Zambia online open letter to the President forum was alarm to say the least. It took some the skills of some resolved patriotic counter propaganda machinery of cause at some astronomical cost to either the nation to correct the national image and destroying similar thugs like you. They professed as if Zambia and the world were ending on September 28, 2006. Had it not been for the expertise of some patriotic machinery, these same thugs now here could have done a lot of damage to the country’s investment prospects.
Thugs labored to paint a gloomy picture of a Zambia about to go in flames until specific counter measures were implemented with determinism. Personally, am not surprised when they throw all sorts of insults on those in support of GRZ. It’s the pain and memory of having lost what they hoped so much of destroying but to no avail. I’m a Zambian blogs historian who could stun you with what i have a clue on.
Sage (49)
Slow down don’t pull your epileptic convulsions on me for being too sincere with you. LT is not a creation of some Ghost as you want others to believe but a fellow Zambian trying to keep you learning from the Insaka. But that doesn’t mean you should be that dumb to only throw up questions after months of some addiction to something. If you were smart surely you could have scanned your environment rather than what you are proving to be, impulsive blogger!
When I say it’s a small community of the same people without an audience yet, hey I speak as an empiricist but with much respect for people’s privacy rights. I know who is who and the level of addiction to the blog based on many validated details beyond the traffic data. So Alibaba Sage, take a deep breath then call me the most stupid frank character that you have ever come across in the cyber space.
That does not take away my generosity to help those with misplaced hopes wasting their time in blogs but dreaming that they are breaking some political regime they hate. Had that been the case, MMD could have suffered a devastating loss in 2006 considering that the lies and hatred that characterized the Zambia online open letter to the President forum was alarming to say the least.
It took some skills of some resolved patriotic counter propaganda machinery of cause at some astronomical cost to the nation to correct the negative image by destroying similar thugs like you. Those chaps professed as if Zambia and the world were ending on September 28, 2006. Had it not been for the expertise of some patriotic machinery who took them at a personal level in the drama we all witnessed, these same thugs now here could have done a lot of damage to the country’s investment prospects.
Thugs’s strategy was to paint a gloomy picture of Zambia they labored the world to believe was about to go in flames until specific counter measures were implemented with determinism. Personally, am not surprised when they throw all sorts of insults on those in support of GRZ. It’s the pain and memory of having lost what they hoped so much of destroying but to no avail. I’m a Zambian blogs historian who could stun you with what I know about individuals in all Zambian blogs.
#49.SAGE.Don`t even bother to respond to such morons because immediatetly you do that then they achieve their objective of diverting from the topic at hand.These spineless embiciles are scared of LT initiating a log in system with possibly photo ID`s so that we know who we`re dealimg with.SHUSHUSHU.
#49.SAGE.Don`t even bother to respond to such morons because immediatetly you do that then they achieve their objective of diverting from the topic at hand.These spineless embiciles are scared of LT initiating a log in system with possibly photo ID`s so that we know who we`re dealing with.SHUSHUSHU.
The Original Pundit,Easy or Sage.Is it possible that we can have a Constitution that could stand the test of time in Zambia?
Chapi you are right… yes we can have a constitution that can stand a test of time. But we should be ready to invest in the constitution. What is going on right now looks like politics , but in actual sence we are trying to find common ground which should be the foundation upon which the constitution can be formulated from. Remember after this constitution we should not talk about the constitution for the next 20 years. Stake holders shoul stop looking at camps and start looking at where do we really want to be in 20 years. look at it as a road map.
EASY to answer your question, i think we need to point out rentals are a factor of supply and demand. And as the Americans say value is perceived. Zambia is a free market economy. That means the economic forces determin the price (supply and demand). At constitutional level all you can do is guarantee affordable housing to the citizens. Thats how councils start building houses which are rented at far much lower rates than privately owned howses. If i’m not mistaken we have that in our current constitution. Anyway i’m not an expert this area i will let Kuku and you EASY expound on this issue.
#57 SAGE.Why can`t we just remove politics out if this and for once do something for the good of the nation.After coming up with a constitution that would stand the test of time,then they can play politics using their Spin Doctors to turn such an outcome to whoever`s advantage.
Chapi (54 & 55),
I admire your passion to rhetoric but not your failures in modern political circles where you seem to have found some life solace. Your mess up is the impulsiveness, lack of analytical mind and the pig-headedness in Marxist values. I have sufficiently followed your impish propagation over 4 years now with little to be inspired of. Trust me, on the political vision, you are a life time failure with some dissolute personality characterized with some poor view of issues failing you to think and propagate straight with some independent mind.
Besides your Marxist values, maybe it’s because you have been bumping political parties too frequent like a thoughtless monkey in denial of self reflective moments.
You don’t give yourself time to learn where you seek refuge before some more bump-ups. Life is a learning curve this is why even employers they don’t just pick a novice but are particular with one’s background experience. How do you learn anything going by your political shimakwenkwe from UNIP to Heritage party to UPND to PF then back to UDA and now back again into PF all within a 4 year span. Nga teu shimakwenkwe uwo kwena, katwishi!
The easy with which you are consumed in some dizzy abstractions in politics confirms your squatness. Look at how your support for the Oasis forum’s intended violent demo has been disdained by the Zambians across their political divides except you PF cadres. You cannot see through the opportunities of a hosting a peaceful regional conference.
Now say all you want I gat you here again in pain and usual hollow dreams when the ball is off your small vision. I’m another blogs historian, the empiricist you will never succeed to disguise from. That aside, political blogging on Zambia in the current progressive political atmosphere is garbage in, garbage out without a processing point of any rhetoric from your wasted time.
So you should know that Blogs are good sources of information exchange if wise people without unclouded minds flow the debates with a sense of realism than your hollow dreams .This is why year after year you have disgracefully failed to impact anything thing on the ground. You are the same imbeciles who have weakened the opposition and made MMD a Party in a clear one party rule for many years to come. Instead of accepting the deficiencies at hand, you are there doing your subliminal rhetoric.
Lastly, who told you that there is such a thing as a constitution standing the test of time? Are you talking of some virtual world I don’t know or what? Show me a country with a constitution that has stood the test of time. I challenge students of political science and policy studies to help such kids easily confused by the post rhetoric.
Fact#60 Your attacks on chapi are clear signs that you are a coward. Why can’t u just put your point across without insults? Is this what been a shushushu is all about? I don’t see nothing wrong with the demos O.F. was planning on holding. It is just a shame that intimidation was again used instead of allowing this so called democracy to take root regarding the planned demo by O.F.Chapi I don’t know if we can have a constitution that stands the test time because laws and times are constantly changing. What we can do for now is to change what we don’t need like giving too much power in the hands of one person called the president and giving too much away to criminals called foreign investors. To me these are some of the issues that need to be addressed in the new document.We should also pull out from the commonwealth amongst other questionable organisations. State House and Parliament should be turned into tourist attractions relics to show case negative effects of colonialism on Zambia
FACT (60),
Bravo for your last paragraph in post # 60. Please allow me to thank you for resounding the challenge i have long been throwing up to some bloggers and our so called smart politicians on the ground. If you read the Times of Zambia feature writers section my article expansively covered almost one full page in the last week of June edition. Upto now none of the most vocal politicians on the street has ever gained some credibility to rebuttal my argument.
In law, politics and public policy studies there is nothing like a constitution standing the test of time. Like you, I wait to be challenged on that self misleading statement which even the press has failed to shoot down. I challenge all cadres here with courage enough to educate us on model states that have existed on constitutions that have stood the state of Time.
Let’s research with open minds on what the following teach us on national constitution:
• COMPARATIVE POLITICAL SYSTEMS
• Special TOPICS IN PUBLIC LAW AND JURISPRUDENCE
• Contemporary controversies in political theory
I don’t need to off lectures but a mere guidance following our tendency of blindly citing the so called street smart political gurus’s empty rhetoric. I think we could show our intellect as people who can research and make learned statements.
Chikubabe, i do agree with you over the commonwealthy issue, in many cases what do we benefit from commonwealthy? Nothing even to enter Britain we are treated like shit unlike Bulgalia, Poland, the new european countries which Britain has ever benefited from like African countries natural resources.
Secondly, Facts you have shown your true colours of not being open minded by respecting others contributors’ opinions though you may disagree with them.Insults are sign of failure and more importantly imature. Great minds ignore hear say and bring on positive contributions.Never mind about names like Shushushu. Everyone has a political party he/she supports and that’s the way life goes on.
Chikubabe, i do agree with you over the commonwealthy issue, in many cases what do we benefit from commonwealthy? Nothing even to enter Britain we are treated like shit unlike Bulgalia, Poland, the new european countries which Britain has ever benefited from like African countries natural resources.
Secondly, Facts you have shown your true colours of not being open minded by respecting others contributors’ opinions though you may disagree with them.Insults are signs of failure and more importantly imature. Great minds ignore hear say and bring on positive contributions.Never mind about names like Shushushu. Everyone has a political party he/she supports and that’s the way life goes on.
Ba Jose bakama bola panshi, ala kuli imbifi apa pa blog who is using the my ID. I, the Kaponya boy from Kulima tower cannot insult u ama bosses ba inter city. And Ba Jose u know very well that internet cafes at kulima tower knock off at 16.30hrs (4.30pm) I cannot blog after that. Ico icilebofya ID yandi lishilu lyamumwando.
Ba Jose from today onwards, I have gone kuma order kwa Mongu, so whoever will be blogging using my ID just know that he is imposter, devil, shetani mushibila insala, kanuka wama sockoshi namu kwapa kwakwe mulalembeka icitakataka.
More Messages of Condemnation pool in for the LT based disgraced blogger Chapi. This is over his verified conspiracy role in the flopped Oasis Forum violence demonstration plans. Zambian Patriots from different interest groups have become under personalized questions why they have tolerated the traitor this far when they know the hole he is using to launch these wishes of a Zambians under some carnage for denying Sata the Presidency in 2006.
LUSAKA TRADER TALKS AGAINST DEMOS DURING SADC MEETING
A LUSAKA businessman has joined calls against demonstrations over the Constitution-making process during the Southern African Development Community (SADC) meeting. Mr Masautso Lulanga, who is Msanzala Auctioneers managing director, urged police in a statement in Lusaka yesterday not to allow any demonstration as these would only bring about confusion.“Why demonstrate to Presidents of other countries when our own President is always ready to listen especially over this issue?,†he wondered.
Meanwhile, Zambia’s High Commissioner to South Africa, Leslie Mbula, has challenged Zambians to take advantage of the SADC summit in Lusaka as an opportunity to seek ways of improving in various developmental areas.
He said it was an honour for Zambia to host such a conference.
In an interview in Lusaka, Mr Mbula said for a long time now, Zambia had been involved in implementation of various SADC protocols, which should make Zambians proud.
He said the efforts contributed to various forums should be appreciated by all peace loving SADC members whose interest was to see development in various sectors to improve the conditions of living of the people in the region.Foreign Affairs Permanent Secretary, Tens Kapoma, said Government was happy with the preparations made so far ahead of the summit and was committed to ensuring that the meeting was a success.Zambia is expected to assume the chairmanship of the regional grouping during the summit which opens tomorrow in Lusaka.
What is a constitution in the first place before you start talking of it whether it will stand the test of time. Situations constantly change and so do the laws. You know they say laws ar made to be broken in order to see how effective they are. So in short by having a new constitution we are increase the number of criminals so be prepared to build more prisons. Hey you guys what have you got to say about what sondashi said yesterday in parliament.
Another thing we need to change are the editorial teams of our public media. The editorial committee needs to be independent from political manipulation. For example, this blogger called Veteran writes a story and gets it published in a publicly funded media outlet (Times of Zambia) and turns round to claim that ‘the people have spoken’ when he or his henchmen wrote the damm stories just to deceive the people of Zambia. Veteran, you are a shameless criminal. If we really want to hear what the people are saying then our public media should be free of political manipulation. There is no way we can have publicly funded media paid for by highly taxed Zambians yet we let important tools of communication in the hands of corrupt politicians! The Zambian people who pay for our public media should run such organisations. I think that will improve the accountability of those in publicly funded positions of responsibilities. The current set up is corrupt and only serves a corrupt government.
#65 Original AM
Kuku and I were wondering what went wrong with u and now we know the chap who impersonated your ID is Pragmatist and this is gauged from the postings of # 29 and #32 really show some circus that would toll the bells and worn bloggers how dirty Pragmatist is by using cheap monkey tricks of impersonating original AM and pretends to be innocent. Any way postings #29 and 32 have entangled him.
AM, we are busy with Kuku in Ndola filming “Sheli†which is likely to be shown to the public on 1st January 2008, thus I won’t be blocking for 2 weeks and if some one uses my ID it must be ci Pragmatst.
Youngman (70),
Be advised that I’m way beyond your juvenile mindset and far fetched to be smeared with easy. Practically, there are too many variances between your side and mine. Your friend parroted that piece from my PC the night I forgot to secure it after some clean up hours. That was criminal and prosecutable thuggerly.
Whatever did he want to prove by posting a stolen piece on the same blog I occasionally visit whenever I get some time to waste? That confirms that your side is neither smart nor understand the implications. By the way, I don’t keep anything on this PC. Anything deemed important herein is heavily secured. If your camp has the skin it takes to launch some cyber war, keep trying the pill is yours to swallow. Nevertheless, I have received specific details of trails covering all the routes the criminal used. If you are a partner in that line of crime, eschew or prepare for the net in advent of any escalation.
Look at the variances; you and your fellow thug insult while I don’t. You belong to those market place makeshift trading stands when I spend my life and energy dealing with the corporate world. You are Satanists heavily socked in your satanic verses when I’m a Bible believing Christian established on the infallible word of God with belief in the trinity.
You are struggling to make a film on the street for a living while I crunch numbers, analyze data, and thrive in the money market day after day. Blogging is your vocation while I do it for fun fully cognizant that all efforts end up here without consideration anywhere. You thrive on political fantasy while I stand on the moral highway of truth and pragmatism. I don’t play the feel good or populist games to appease people when there is no mileage to cover. I call a spade a spade. You are still discovering your life when I have my last son of your age at UNISA.
You are still devastated from my revelation that your so called book is nothing but a collection of some Satanic verses hence your failure to progress without the Pragmatist name on your head every time you enter the blog. On my side, I have long written you off as anything worth taking to heart but have instead intensified prayers for your salvation. I still believe one day should you pull through your confused days, you could also become a human being with a pure human mind and pure spirit. It take Grace and personal acceptance that there is some animist mentality if you have to find your way out of the mess you are in.
At 28 you need to put your acts straight. At that age I hard already received some strategic public confidence, support and served the people of Zambia with honor through merit overseas. Today am a free patriot in the free world as a Global citizen campaigning for Global peace and prosperity for all when you are stuck with insults and all the sublevel vices.
This is the full article your buddy parroted from my PC;
My fellow Investors and trusted portfolio Managers,
POLITICKING IS GOOD, BUT INVESTMENT SHOULD BE THE PRIORITY
It’s time to turn rhetoric into investment
Over the past few weeks the Global financial markets have seen an abundance of drama, with broad sell-offs occurring due to a drastic shift in Investor sentiment and worries about subprime lending especially in the USA. Certainly, times like this remind us of the short term risks involved with investing, even in the most bullish of markets. It is nearly impossible to predict the market’s short term future, which is why most of us Pragmatists in the Act emphasize the importance of owning solid long-term prospects.
Even after the market’s recent stumble, the average stock in our smartly managed Core Holdings Portfolio has gained beyond 24.71%!
With time and devotion we have seen the need to use fundamental analysis to determine the true intrinsic value of any company on the market before considering an investment. This philosophy ensures that only the highest quality companies with sustainable business models are deemed worthy. Sound familiar?
The most successful investor of all time, Warren Buffett, has accumulated over $40 billion using this strategy! Regardless of the uncertainties you can do it again. Follow the market trends, study it and consider investing instead of vesting all your time in political rhetoric. Smart Zambians and some folks in politics too are missing no opportunity to invest. Where they face challenges to understand the complexities at hand, professionals play the role. Without money, forget of any future prospects.
World over politics you are so glued in is becoming expensive to excel. Statistically do a regression analysis in Dollar value in most recent political races. Bush and John Kerry hit US $ 200 Million each. Decision 2008 is already proving another expensive race Governor Romney just invested Millions of Dollars in Iowa to top it. In Zambia, MMD invested more than ZK 15 billion to win the 2006 race. In 2011, the winner will need not less than ZK 26 billion. Invest and make money now. Ownership in the private and public sector entities is the way to go. Let press the Mines and other companies for floatation of shares.
The lilayi and National Housing projects are coming up good supported by ZNBS in the mortgage industry. Banks are coming up with supportive business based credit lines worth exploiting now or never. Time is of essence in life.
you see now sage you zsmbians are busy discussing about the road map of your constitution when your companies are being sold by one to foreigners. Now the World Bank is to finalise the commerlization of ZESCO. Very you will toil only to pay for power, water and housing. One ask himself how many Zambians are buying companies in other countries.
# 72 Pragmatist
What’s your real name? At the moment we shall regard you as a coward…hiding his true colour. I say so for I want to know things you have done to Zambia. No bad feelings just feel free to respond.
#71 & 72 you are a real failure in life and a bitter person for that matter.what have you achieved by runting like a person who has taken class A drugs?you could be old ,if that is true ,but very immature,your behaviour is disgusting and unacceptable.Not long ago you bragged about consulting with MOF senior officials on how to combat corruption,it casts alot of doubt that the people you were fooling with are senior people.I go to Unisa as an external examiner, what is your son doing? BaJoze dont forget Inkwashi,Pio na Vera, Shikalume kalyonse,Africa utubelele uluse lelo teti tulabe,Uwauma na fyala by Stephen A Mpashi.Uyu Pragmatist takwata incito ifi fyonse alesabaila bushilu bweka bweka.Imwe Baice bena Born Rich,Kalembe Kafyuke,Chapi na SAGE bail out pragmatist, he has run out of job seekers allowance(JSA).
Who is this confused block impersonating our Original AM?Ba satana muleke dobo,ififyamba mulepepa na Pragmatist,Veteran, Patriot , Paparrazi mukaponena mu mississipi river.
You see, we’re in the early stages of an unprecedented global boom – bigger, longer lasting and with a greater number of impossible-to-predict ramifications than any we’ll see again.
From 2005 to 2010 alone, the value of all the stocks, bonds, CDs and other financial assets held worldwide will soar from $118 trillion to $200 trillion, the highly respected McKinsey Global Institute reported in a just-released report.
That’s an increase of $82 trillion, or 69%. In just five years.
The boom will certainly redistribute wealth. But it will also radically alter the global economic pecking order. And in a big way.
Right now, Asia and the United States each account for 28% of the world economy. The World Bank estimates that America’s share of the world economy will slip a bit, dropping to 24% by 2030.
But Asia’s share will double, reaching a staggering 55%.
In other words, the Asia of tomorrow will be twice as powerful as the United States of today.
Retail investors who ignore these powerful trends and adhere to U.S.-only portfolios will ultimately realize that they’ve been left behind financially.
Wharton Professor and best-selling author Jeremy Siegel recently said investors should toss away the old international-investing allocation of 5% to 15%. Even the average investor should have 40% of their holdings in overseas investments, he said.
Unfortunately, that’s not going to be as easy as it sounds. And you’ll be surprised at the two reasons why.
Sad Fact #1: While the average American doesn’t have access to the “market intelligence†needed to profit from this overseas boom, the nation’s well-connected wealthy investors are taking these projections straight to the bank – and are already profiting from some of the very best deals. Wall Street has known about this global boom for some time. But they’re reserving their best profit opportunities for their wealthiest clients.
Even investors who see and understand what’s happening could end up watching this wealth explosion from the wrong side of the velvet rope. That’s because …
Sad Fact #2: Even though overseas markets clearly will offer the greatest returns in the months and years to come, federal regulations prohibit most American investors from buying many foreign stocks.
You heard that correctly.
If a foreign company isn’t registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission, its shares are off-limits to most investors. And the shortage of foreign shares is getting worse, instead of better: The labyrinthine-and-costly registration process is even discouraging foreign companies from listing easy-to-trade American Depository Receipts (ADRs), a type of security U.S. investors trust and are willing to buy.
Wealthy investors don’t face this problem. An obscure SEC regulation, Rule 144A, allows them to circumnavigate that rule and form investment pools through investment banks, so they can buy foreign-company shares.
But if you’re not yet fortunate enough to be a millionaire investor, aren’t a partner at Merrill Lynch, or don’t live next door to the CEO of Goldman Sachs, the game isn’t over for you
Mwaice Pragmatist #72 nomba twapwisha ‘sheli’na BaJoze, iyi data wacibika mu #72 wacilingila ukuya deeper mwaice,kanshi Economics yobe bushe nayamba ukuba diluted? Ukese ku Masala, ifi usabaila tukesa kubika muli ‘chekesoni aingila ubusocha’, BaJoze ingamwafika segment these parts for ici muntu ci Prgamatist cabula ubuyo.Come back home wilasabaila fye ngo mulwele wefumo.
Mwaice Easy tame ci Pragmatist epo tacilayamba ukulemba mu chi Chinese, nayamukutamba ‘Sheli’ ku auditorium.BAjoze ingamwafika pa interz muntumine ka phone since mukabwela pa Saturday tukesaya ku Kasumbalesa mukunwa Tembo na Simba.Mwaice Easy bushe ifi mu chita track down ama IP yabantu teach how to go about it, pantu nayishiba fye yahoo can track down originating IP, endesha inkasange data mailo, you can consult SAGE the fiber man,VOIP
Quotations From Ndoligan –Mine Masala
Pragmatist mwaice iyi data is for you as a global investor but ne toloshi limo, insapato sha kashika,ishati lya mucenga
Elo ingawaba ready mailo ukalundepo pantu tukalapanga film nayimbi and you will be invited to take part, we are going to make a cool K2bn with the Ministry of Education elo iwe ulesabaila pali RUFQUA
Rarely has a cash explosion of $867 billioni ever hit the markets at one time. Yet that’s exactly what’s happening right now.
It’s more money than ever poured into the wireless revolution ($113.3 billion), gold ($45.1billion), or even the giant Internet boom in the 1990s ($319.2 billion) – combined, as you’ll see in a moment.
And here’s the thing… Investors who know how to track this enormous capital flow are about to be rewarded handsomely, with the opportunity to make 20, 30, even 50-to-1 gains in the coming months on a silver-platter opportunity.
And this is happening despite interest-rate and inflation rumors… Despite the looming collapse in real estate… Or the declining dollar… Or even the mounting $9.1 trillion U.S. deficit.
The returns are nothing less than explosive. Already a few smart investors are sitting on barrels of cash – even while commodities worldwide have taken a walloping 21%ii hit in the May-through-August meltdown. Just take a look:
• 297% in 10 months on Titanium Metals Corp. Airline and defense contractors are booming, creating an additional billion-dollar demand for this precious metal used in airplanes, missiles and armor.
• 333% in 12 months on Tenaris SA, a little-known but key supplier of seamless pipe worldwide. Big producers like Exxon are spending billions on getting more oil to market faster.
• 1,273% on U.S. based Empire Resources in 12 months. China’s been gobbling up commodities for the past 8 years. Its devotion to oil and steel are not news. But it recently started bleeding the market for aluminum – to the tune of billions…
• 1,540% on Cygne Designs. 300 million new customers poured billions into the world’s fastest growing retail boom in history, cashing in on 400 new malls built in three years in one of Asia’s red-hot economies…
I want Chapi the accomplice in unpatriotic violence to capture the cutting edge message magnanimously communicated to the Nation yesterday by the only Zambian Head of State President Levy Patrick Mwanawasa. I now repost the press statement from the post newspapers:
For your attn Demagogue Chapi,
During a recording at ZNBC of his address on the eve of the 27th Ordinary Summit of the Heads of State and Government of the Southern African Development Community (SADC), President Mwanawasa said the debate and dialogue over the Constitution can continue after visitors to the SADC summit are gone.
“This, in my view, is a demonstration of patriotism, magnanimity and civil maturity in the handling of internal national affairs,” he said. “The constitutional review process is an internal matter that we, the people of Zambia, are capable of dealing with in the spirit of national unity.”
He said it was gratifying that Zambians had agreed on the need to host the summit in a dignified and peaceful manner, characteristic of the Zambian people.”When the visitors have left, we can continue our debate and dialogue over the matter. In the meantime, let us all ensure peace and security for all the delegates and the heads of state and government that are coming to Zambia,” he said.
President Mwanawasa said dialogue pre-supposes a give-and-take approach where the outcome must be a result of consensus. He said the debate over the constitution had been a healthy discourse in the democratisation process of Zambia.
President Mwanawasa said as was customary the world over, security during summits such as the current one was pitched at the highest level.He said some road users would be inconvenienced on certain occasions and he called on Lusaka residents to exercise patience, respect and courtesy during the summit.
President Mwanawasa said he was humbled to take over the SADC chairmanship.
“Zambia assumes the chairmanship of the SADC region against a backdrop of numerous socio-economic challenges being faced by the member states,” he said.
“On the economic front, member states continue to face the challenge of accelerating real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth to a level not less than 7 per cent by 2008, the target set by SADC.”
He said all member states were required to attain a single digit inflation rate, attain a budget deficit of less than five per cent of GDP, reduce public debt as a percentage of GDP below 60 per cent and attain a current account deficit of less than nine per cent of GDP by 2008.
President Mwanawasa said to achieve that, SADC was establishing a development fund, developing the protocol on trade in services and developing the protocol on mining aimed at harmonising mining policies within the region.President Mwanawasa said SADC continued to face numerous challenges including in the areas of education, health and the HIV/AIDS pandemic.
He said the region must continue to develop and implement policy measures and strategies to combat HIV/AIDS, which threatens the very core of existence.President Mwanawasa said he had assumed the SADC chairmanship at a very critical stage in the grouping. SADC was established on April 1, 1980 in Lusaka with nine members, which has now grown to 14 with the attainment of independence among some member states.
PF from the head to toes is full of vultures. They survive of sympathy and fantasy politics. Hardly two weeks ago had they belabored to rob Mwaiche Emmanuel Munaile then the Hon. Magande of their dully elected seats. PF is a party of sissies and vultures. They are misfits in issue based politics. It’s all full of unpatriotic vandals too narrow minded to distinguish between matters of national discourse and those of international arbitration. Their gluttonous behavior for the Constitution ZK 500,000 seating allowance per day has killed the Oasis Forum.
PF’S MUSONDA LOSES ELECTION PETITION
Lusaka High Court judge Thomas Ndhlovu yesterday dismissed the Lupososhi Constituency election petition saying the allegations of electoral malpractices had not been proved.
This is in a case where losing Patriotic Front parliamentary (PF) candidate for Lupososhi Emmanuel Musonda had challenged the election of MMD’s Albert Mulonga as member of parliament for the constituency.
Musonda among others had accused Mulonga of engaging in corrupt practices prior to the election in wilful contravention of the electoral laws in a bid to secure his election.
He asked the court to nullify the election results for the area saying the election was not held in a free and fair atmosphere.
But Mulonga denied all the allegations against him in his defence before the court.
After analysing the evidence, judge Ndhlovu dismissed the petition saying there was no evidence to support the allegations against the respondent.
#79 Veteran, it is becoming very characteristic of you to demean and insult Chapi in your contributions.To say the least, you are the one trying to fan animosity.Chapi is a right thinking Zambian who has the right to contribute to issues in any way and form.If he differs with you in terms of analysis that does not give you the right to call him names.You need to show some class in your analysis.As a matter of fact, you are not the best contributor on this blog becoz some of your points are highly questionable and very shallow.If you are going to pick fights with people on this blog then you are in the wrong place.Grow up.
#79 Veteran/Prgamatist mwaice kanshi dobo ukaleka lilali?Nasumina nomba ati dobo yaku Teka constituency ikali pantu nomba naupena ukufuma mucipimo ulefwaikwa ulubatisho lwakumulilo(baptism by fire),Iwe naucita over, taupusene nechi icimuntu citumbula ifitumbi ci Dr HK.Check in a nearest re hab before your start throwing clothes off your body.I pity you.Stop being a bully, we have a part of bullies muli Sheli, you are welcome,leave decent souls on this blog to continue blogging diligently not ifi am copy and paste fyobe ifyabula inshila, ingawakonkanyapo tukesa kulopola na BaJoze kabili muzulu natupanga.Keep ubushilu bobe closer to your TB chest.