ATTONERY General Mumba Malila has questioned the motive behind groups agitating over registration of the judgement of a London Court in a civil case brought against former President Frederick Chiluba as the matter is before court.
Mr Malila said there was no need to raise alarm over the matter because the Government was already a step further and that the case was already before the courts of law to determine registration of the London High Court judgment.
In an interview in Lusaka yesterday, Mr Malila said it was wrong for any individual or organisation to start pressurising the courts on the matter because it was still going on.
Some civil society organisations and individuals have continued to agitate for registration of the judgement and alleging Government interference in the recent acquittal of Dr Chiluba in the criminal case.
Transparency International Zambia (TIZ) is on behalf of 17 other civil society organisations currently circulating an invitation letter for a Press conference tomorrow where Dr Chiluba’s acquittal, the question of appeal, the registration of the London Court Judgment and the restoration of his immunity are issues lined up to be tackled.
“There is no need for any person to start pressurising the courts over the London judgment case because as Government we have gone a step further by having this matter registered, so the best those wishing to hold such gathering can do is to rescind their decision,” Mr Malila said.
He explained that the Government was waiting for a date to be set by the Supreme Court following some preliminary issues raised by the defence and called for calm.
He said if some sections of society were not clear over the matter, they should consult his office.[quote]
And Home Affairs Minister Lameck Mangani said any attempts to hold gatherings related to the London judgement would be regarded as prejudicial and questioned the motive behind such an action.
He said while the Government acknowledged the freedom of assembly, association and expression, it was wrong to misinform the public by making them believe that the matter was not before the Zambian courts anymore.
“I think the law is very clear and we are not going to allow people who deliberately want to cause anarchy in the country and my appeal to those planning to hold such meetings is that they should be patient and wait for the courts,” he said.
He said the Government was concerned about the conduct of some NGOs. He said the Government was not against criticism provided it was genuine and that it was aimed at the development of the nation.
The civil society includes TIZ, Caritas Zambia, Non Governmental Coordinating Council (NGOCC), Women for Change, Foundation for Democratic Process (FODEP), Southern Africa Centre for Constructive Resolution of Disputes (SACCORD), Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia (EFZ) and the Citizen forum among others.
[Times of Zambia]
I can not understand why people in government are panicking? May be there is more to this than meets the eye!
leave these organisation put up their action then also do yours and let people know who is saying the truth. Dont intimidate them. Guess what? i know who is speaking the truth. yah your guess is right.
The problem with Govt is they are always on the defensive. When has this case ever come up in a Zambian court? The judgement was obtained a long time ago and we have all been left in the dark. Govt should be more forthcoming. Is Malila telling me that I can just walk into his office and he will give me the data?
Mumba you are taking way too long to have that judgement registered.Let people gather and express their views like those sychopaths in Mansa
Apparently know one knew that this case has or was already registered with the courts,if Malila had said this way back i dont think the civil society would have gone ahead to organize a press conference, someone must be panicking over this,,,this is how the oasis forum that opposed the third term started…any protest or gathering against the government is now anarchy according to Mangani
I think think these cases won’t go anywhere as long as Banda remains president. Let’s stop wasting our tme.
Muli muchibe bafiweno
Yes laws are there to be followed but are they being followed? The man was found guilty so why wait and yet our law(s) have a provision for registration? Has the legal language become hard to comprehend? Perusing of the laws pertaining to registration shold have been done before and during trial. These chaps need more training in contingency palnning let alone project management. Wake up Zambia. Let’s not act like illiterates. Whwy go to school and amass all that knowledge if we can’t put it to use? Shame guys.
The Civil Society will should read between the lines the comments from the Attonery General and Home Affairs Minister. Their attempt is as bad as trying to grow hair on an egg. It doubt if the Govt position on FTJ will take another direction. For now I will wait and see the influence thier gathering is going to generate. The whole matter has taken political dimensions and it will be difficult for GRZ to bend further. There both good and bad lessons to be learnt from from FFTJ’s case.
People have the right of association and this right is there so that governments don’t do everything on their behalf.
As attorney general why dont you empower the people to do that which is legally right so their rights and freedoms are not interfered with. A true Zambian leader is a leader with the ability to give people their independence in the way they want their justice administered. Discussions are necessary, whether on this case or on others and, if these demos and debates lead to the amendment of current legislation even better.
You will agree with me that Zambians since Chiluba as president have been liberated and want to have a say in the way the three arms of government work. Please just provide non-violent procedures its for you its for the people.
GRZ has not been clear on the steps concerning the registration of the case Vs FTJ.Now that there is pressure it is possible for GRz to cheat Zedians that the case has been registered and yet nothing has been done.So let the concerned organisations hold meetings or press conferences so that we the people are kept informed.GRZ is very late to keep us updated in this issue and moreover the courts are being run by RB and his manions
FTJ was taken to the london court over corruption by the late LPMs who died after a reoccurrent brain stroke, He was found guity by the late Judge smith who died of a heart attack, the case was being registered in the zambian courts by the late judge Japhet banda who died in a road accident at the time of these events the chief of police who was a member of the task force by virture of his office was Wazakaza nguni, he died in a road accident. its not clear which judge is currently handling the matter if any. President chiluba is a former president and an evangelist, he has repeatedly pronounced that he is a prophet standing on solid rock and that whoever fights his Godly ways shall be crushed. It is yet to be known whether his prophecies are true or are yet to occure
**** banda,**** mwanga,**** dora the bitch,**** kunda the the aids carrier and to hell with the MMd.
Malia, Malila my son now you have also been intimidated by RB cos he threatened to reorganize your Chambers?
#12 Engines, i love your analysis, i was tempted to think the same concerning Chiluba standing on solid rock. Indeed, poverty levels can tell it in Zambia under this man who unashamed goes on to take someones wife. Well, the zambians deserve the best and no amount of threats like those coming from chiluba will discourage people like me to talk against the misdemeanors of chiluba. look here, death comes in so many ways and as long as the truth is lying out there, we shall surely know one day. we need to compare logically how KK amassed wealth in 27 years and the unequaled wealth chiluba gathered in 10 years. who is so blind not to see some frivolous activity here? If the london judgement is fraudulent, let the govt say so after all its not chiluba who took the govt to task rather its the
same govt that took him to london for judgement which we all know was in favor of the state. the turn of events of the aquittal tells mountains concerning the registration of the london case.
The process of registration and actual registration are two different issues. Japhet Banda was to take this court to be registered but he died. so the case is still not registered because they are looking for a judge to take on this case and i thought hamaundu was given this case but still the courts are full and they are still trying to find space for this case. anyways, malila twaliku chongele nomba twa chongolola.
Bloggers get back to work. The majority of bloggers on LT are shallow minded. Can you ever try a British government official in Zambia and expect the same to be registered in the UK. Wake up bloggers and get on with your life. Too much talking is the reason why most Zambians do not progress. Your friends are busy making money and you are there wasting time talking shit.
Mumba Mailila is now speaking the different language.. When he was a commissioner at the Human Rights Commission, he spoke for the people of Zambia and now he is speaking for an individual. Mangani should go back to school and different between Anarchy and Press Conference. Any Criticism is considered Anarchy. what a Minister.
#18 Alcapone This is how we make money and probably more than you do.
Alcapone, this criminal was found guilty by the london judge for stealing zambian goods not british items. he was taken to court by the govt, mind you we ascribe to the commonwealth and there are rules governing such. dont look at the color of the judge coz even on the zambian bench we have non zambian judges just like we have zambian judges sitting on foreign soil court benches, one of them being the current ECZ chairperson who was appointed not long ago to be on a tribunal for some country. so you must not confuse yourself by thinking probably its because judgement was not passed in zambia by a zambian judge and this could not be a fair judgement, infact some local judges stink like chinyama and philip musonds judgements of chiluba and dora respectively
Well civil society has a duty to presurise govt to make sure they push ahead with the registration of the judgement. I feell the registration should have its fair chance. But bloggers let us all accept the outcome and not only accept the outcome we prefer. We need to remember that to evert argument there are two sides
Mr Malilia, the reason why people or NGO’s are “agitating” as you call it, and pressurising for registration of the london Judgement, inspite of it being in court, is obvious to all but you. The reason is simply that Zambians do not have confidence in our judiciary anymore due to the Chiluba aquital debacle. One cannot work with crooks and claim to be innocent so in that regard, you are guilty by association. Guiltier than others in fact because you are the governments legal advisor. Rupiah is a joke, and i cannot believe how much our democracy has been high jacked. The day of reckoning will come though, and when it does, there will be gnashing of teeth.
Transparency is good. So is holding tongues about Western pressure on other countries constitutions when one has clearly had no problem taking in the mighty dollar when one was ruling. Perhaps he is missing his shoes.
I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THE MALILAS,THE RBS OF THESE WORLD HAVE FAILED TO EXPLAIN TO THE ZAMBIAN PEOPLE WHY FTJ WAS ACQUITED ON FLIMSY AND VERY SUSPICIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES. GENTLEMEN, THE JOB OF THE CIVIL SOCIETIES IS CRUCIAL IN THIS CASE, LET THEM GO AHEAD AND HOLD CONFERENCE …..LET THERE BE NO INTERFERENCE. LIKE MY OTHER BROTHER SAID MR MALILA CANNOT ALLOW ME TO GO TO HIS OFFICE AND EXPLAIN ISSUES SURROUNDING FTJ’S CASE. I CANT BE PAYING SO HUGE TAXES, WHEN OTHERS ARE BUSY CHEWING JUST FOR THEIR PERSONNAL BENEFITS….VIVA NGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18 Al Capone Chiluba is not as Zambian official, he is simply a Zambian thief. The fact that some that stolen money is stashed in the UK gives them every right to try him. There are money Laundering laws in place in every developed financial system and when these are broken, there are penalties. In the area of anti money laundering and fraud prevention, there is a process known as sanction checking. This applies even in Zambian Banks, and it’s basically a check of people listed internationally that banks should not deal with. I happen to work for a Bank in the UK and i inputted Chiluba’s name in the system we use. He came up with a very red flag and warning. He is listed with all his children and associates eg Chuungu etc and banks are advised not to to do business with them. So keep
26 continued. deluding yourself if you think this aquital exonerates him. In fact after he was aquitted, banks were reminded to check their systems and ensure that they do not do business with anyone closely connected to Chiluba as it would be unlawful. Aquit him all you want, the little monkey stole maize in the field.
Alcapone i agree with u man th london court judgement is useless how do mak a jury whn th defendant was not at any time been represented by himself or his lawyers cn some one tel me if chiluba at one point went to defend himself in tht court..Pliz zambians read thru lines.
Goodmorning
The whole thing is just too suspicious for the people to keep silent about it: civil society organisations and individuals have the right to open their mouths in protest. Unless you’re telling us that we are not a democratic state, Mr. Malila?
On average most of the bloggers on LT are dull. My best suggestion is that you guys create a COURT and appoint judges so that this matter can be put to rest. There is no country in the entire world where its people could be allowed to talk to much shit like in Zambia. Its high time sanity came back to this country. There is a serious abuse of FREEDOM. There is no way a civilized society could encourage insults and divisions. At the rate this country is going anarchy is likely to be the end result. Why can’t we reach a stage where we could start addressing issues from a more mature standpoint. As for the NGOs all that they are occupied with is devising means and ways of receiving donor funding in the name of checks and balances. Thats why these bastards are afraid of the NGO Bill.
Simon 26/ 27, tell him. Good points there. Umwana ashenda atasha……….
In other words the NGO regulatory framework shall provide us an opportunity as Zambians to judge for ourselves genuine NGOs. Most of these NGOs are personal organisations that aim at providing stead incomes for certain individuals. I am happy that all that shall come to pass when these chaps are regulated. They were given an opportunity to regulate themselves but failed. So. So what next? Get regulated and checked and we will shall see who is who. As for media, the same is the case. The POST which is an advocate of divisions, distortions and insults has never ever belonged to any media association before. Why? They fear regulation. My fellow countrymen lets just work hard and continue thanking him coz he alone is control.and just.
30 Alcapone, i agree with you that blogger who think like you are very dull. To say there is an abuse of freedom in Zambia is an insult to the many people who have suffered or have been gagged, lost their jobs etc simply for exercising their consitutional right of speech or association. Whats the weather like on planet cookoo? Coz you are obviously not on planet earth! In case you havent noticed, we are already in a state of anarchy. The judiciary has been compromised (listen to Mulongoti’s interview), The Executive lacks leadership (every quack issues statements everyday), is incompetent and corrupt, the coffers are empty (yet we want chiluba to keep $40m stolen from Zambia. Since you are so intelligent, how can he have earned that money in 10 yrs?? Do the math.
Mumba, I thought you were different from rupiah, balikusoka ati uleke ukutontonkanya mwa?
Ci Malila Mumba stop embarrasing us , l thot u are a genius kanshi wuli cipubafye. Dont be defencive for nothing ,we zambians know what u useless chaps are doing behind scenes and we shall not let you go scort free with such cases. Tell RB that u time of reconing is near and you(Govt) shall all dance to our tune.
As for you SIMON # 27 keep shut and continue living a laborer, slavish, fake and miserable life in the UK. Hell knows whether you are telling us the truth. You have gone abroad coz you are a coward who can’t face up to the realities of your mother land. If had the power i would naturally disqualify you from blogging on LT when it comes to the current affairs of OUR BELOVED AND BLESSED country Zambia.
I suggest Number 18 takes the advice of the first sentence in number 18. Too much freedom? There is no such thing. With freedom comes responsibility and knowing that just as you have the right to an opinion and to speak your mind, so does everyone else. We also have the right not to listen if we choose. As you share this platform with others you have chosen to speak (lecture) and it is quite telling that once challenged you resort to infantile insults which make you appear dull (which I doubt that you are, by the way). Spare me the geographically biased rant if you choose to respond. You don’t know me.
I pray that Mumba does not fall in the same pit as his DPP friend. Mumba i think you are a smart guy.. LLM (Cantab)…..why fall for a few pieces of silver just to let your name being dragged in shit.. come on be a professional…….
A Phiri ana bwela No 37 whats your problem? I think you enjoying ma lecture. Infact ndiwe chi SIMON. You have disguised yourself hey!!!!!!
36 Alcapone, why is it that you assume a black man from Zambia can only be a labourer and lead a miserable life in the UK. I came to the UK because i had options, due in part to my family’s financial position, as well as my education, which i actually came to further when i first came to the UK. I am very comfortable in my skin and have absolutely nothing to prove to you, you are obviously frustrated and ill informed. This is not the UK of the 80’s my friend. Just because your circle of friends/relatives in the UK may be laborers does not mean it applies to all. Travel the world and open your eyes. If you think Democracy prevails in Zambia and that your government is serving the Tax payer then you are even more embicilic than you sound. Its obvious you have never set foot in a uni…
Someon is taking things very personal here,,,,one he thinks voicing out a concern and being critical is having too much freedom, just wonder if he has seen or had a chance to read some foreign media to see what really freedom of speech is (just in jorburg workers where protesting in the streets for a week,no police was unleashed on them,in zed you can only protest in support of mmd anything else is “anarchy”), 2nd suggesting that all bloggers are dull speaks volumes of the author…if the president can stand on a platform and insult(Ubufi uwakunya)then i doubt you can blame anyone else…again the word ANARCHY being misused,had it not been for some of these NGO’s, we could have seen chiluba going for the 3rd term,as for chiluba,he’s a thief period
Alcapone and your postings! Being ignorant and being dull are 2 different things and cannot be interchanged,right? Bloggers on LT may have defects on certain topics like thing one but may be brilliant in one topic may be on usage of CONDOMS. We need such. For example Im an It Professional, I may not know how Kapoko from Human Resources was swindling GRZ when Accountants couldnot dtect that. Also i may know IT forensic but not How Mohan was allowed to escape and then called back by the same Police. Have a good day ALCAPONE, you have made may day
Number 39 – I would require a gender change to be Simon. Would you like my full name and occupation? At least my surname is there. As someone who supposedly loves Zambia so much it is quite amusing to note you choose the pseudonym of a psychotic gangster.
Alcapone, why cant you argue against points that are made and not revert to personal attacks? I was showing you that two can play that game, but i have no personal problem with you. Simply answer the following: 1.Do you think FTJ earned all that money, and records of his PAYE at ZRA will show that? 2. Does it make sense for the same magistrate to Find Chiluba’s wife guilty of receiving stolen goods from Chiluba and yet find FTJ innocent? 3. Is it democratic for RB to act against MMD constitution and not have convention, thus imposing himself as leader? 4. Is it therefore wrong for NGO to speak out, and have a wish to resist government regulation, which is against democratic principles? Lets try and keep away from insults and address these issues if you may.
43 A Phiri, i like that. Maybe thats why Chiluba may be a hero to some, in his little suits and high heeled shoes. I wonder if he knows how Al Capone died?
#39. Alcapone. Is that what you get paid for? By the way did you know there are Zambians infact a lot of them now who are more confortable than even the locals?
Hee hee hee. Thanks Simon. It’s been a while since I’ve blogged with Zambians (and those linked to Zed). I’m actually enjoying this so thank you to all bloggers regardless of opinions. It’s good to know people actually care one way or another.
Simon#44 Im interested in question2. There is a simillar case involving Retired General Funjika vs The People. He was jailed for receiving graft form Mr Rathi of £15,000 to pay for his children as an inducement. Gen funjika was even ordered to pay back the money by Jones Chinyama. Now Rathi’s judgemt is coming on November 9. He (Rathi) is the person the gave Funjika the £15000. Is he going to be aquitted also? Lets wait for that day. If he will not be aquitted then our courts are no based on precedence but favour. Alcapone please ANSWER QUESTIONS especially number 2.
5,8 Either you have short memories or you have not followed this matter. The current position is that the government has applied for the judgment to be registered in the Zambian courts but the defence have challenged it. As in the recent case where FJT was acqiutted this one may also take seven years to conclude. Unfortunatekly that is the law as it stands. The civil society has all the information and should not pretend to be ignorant. All that they are looking to do at all costs is to pressurise the judges to rule in their favour, otherwise their sources of funding (donors) will dry up. Nkani za pa Zed, one’s pocket is more important than national inyerests, otherwise how will they build that mansion or buy that latest Pajero?
Someone tell Alcapone there are people with a lot of degrees who have left Zambia please! I would rather be in a country where I can see how my tax is spent. A country where a MP is asked to pay back £1 200 (K9,000.00) than in a country where a certain midget truns round after s t e a l i n g $40million to claim it money given to him by his friends, also claiming the bambas he bought using the same money. Alcapone you are a “tool”!
IG says:
September 29, 2009 at 10:33 am
Alcapone i agree with u man th london court judgement is useless how do mak a jury whn th defendant was not at any time been represented by himself or his lawyers cn some one tel me if chiluba at one point went to defend himself in tht court..Pliz zambians read thru lines.
Comment.
Why did Zambia government not show up to the south african court and settle the oil scam?
Why did the judge not care if Zambia showed up and awarded RSA to claim costs of $80US million?
I.G
Your point is useless against Zambias own actions so very recently.
48 Presidential Paging. You are right. The aquital of Chiluba has far reaching implications on a number of cases, some still in the courts, and others who will now feel they should appeal since Chiluba is suppossedly innocent. Mulongoti put it very plainly that it was a politically convenient decision. That is against the constitution! If RB wanted JTJ free, he should have let the courts conclude without interference, and then pardon him using his constitutional powers. Does no one advise him? RB and Co. think that Chiluba can deliver Luapula province to them during the elections. It is surely a marriage made in hell.
Anyway am not worried what you call me. They say the truth hates. As long as you are not proud of where you come from you will never ever reach your destiny. I am happy am using my MBA nicely and am earning a decent salary. Convert K 360 M per annum with three houses and a farm. I can’t compare myself to you who stays in a ka shared room/flat in london or liverpool and still remain a destitute. Shame sucker! Its cowards like you who want to portray a wrong picture about our country abroad. You will always be a destitute sucker.
Well, we’ll see now how they are going to get their Iturian pygmy marmoset off the London judgement hook without sparking riots in the country. And for Malila, it looks like the boy has been scared by vinyau, why is he all of a sudden cozy cozy with Kanitundila? Banda and Chiluba’s silly conspiracies against our people have reached the end, if they try any silly monkey trick, it is difekane baba!
Sir Alcapone has three houses and a farm! lol! He gets K360million per year! Sir Alcapone gets roughly K24million per month after tax! You are a funny man Sir Alcapone. Please tell us which cars you drive and how many they are, how much you have in your account. We are waiting sir!
53 Sir AlCapone, Zambians are not excluded from renting houses or indeed buying them. Infact you will be interested to know that a lot of Zambians have bought property, which converted to ZMK is valued at an average of ZMK1.6b (£200k @ K8,000). Students of all nationalities share rooms, including in Zambia. But i am glad you have attained an MBA, i hope that it and your houses and farm make you happy and give you the sense of achievement that you desire. Well done. Knowledge is power and it is desirable, a little knowledge dangerous on the other hand. Out of interest, what is your area of expertise? Since i am a laborer perhaps we can debate professionally so that independents make a judgement as to the value of your MBA? Are you on for the challenge? Expose my ignorance.
Sir Alcapone we are still waiting please.
Chiluba is a very seed for Zambia. The sooner he is dealt with the better for Zambia. Apparently, he used to fear LPM like there is no tomorrow but he generally does not have respect for anyone and this time round, he is truelly a monkey in the maize field.
Alcapone, Simon & Magic… instead of hijacking the story boasting on how much money you have, why not make a relief donation for a very very serious humanitarian situation the Phillpines flood victims are facing? After all it’s a global world.
# 28 IG u ar a very daul person ,u ar jst supporting blindly ,firstly analyse and understand things b4 u comment or support, young man am u ar a street boy who jst vomit issues anyhw,with out understandind National issues professionally.
Iwe Nine Chale have boasted about money on this site? Niwe Alcapone? lol! Shani man? How many farms and houses have you got back home?
Iwe Nine Chale have I boasted about money on this site? Niwe Alcapone? lol! Shani man? How many farms and houses have you got back home?
18.
Alcapone : Dont waste your breath. You are the one who is shallow because you are failing to debate in a civil manner. By the way not all bloggers work for other people. Me I can blog 24 hrs because I can afford and also I cannot allow any one stamp on my rights.
#59 Nine chale, Its a GLOBAL VILLAGE and not GLOBAL WORLD. Its like saying world world.lol. You are characters Alcapone is talking about a believe. the dull ones. Dudes as well
Hahahahahah don’t dare me # 56 and 55 I bet you are waiters or laborers. Anyways i am very comfortable and am very sure you cannot in any way match my academic and professional excellence. Its a pity that you do not own anything and will die as such. i suspect you are yet to get the PI status. As for the type of vehicles i drive thats not an issue. At least i have two very good vehicles that i managed to buy straight from the show room unlike you who uses a train because you probably do not own a car and do not even qualify for a driver’s licence. You don’t own anything and the sooner you come to terms with that the better. You are not even entitled to any form of credit finance coz you are an economic destitute in the UK. In other words you are not credit worthy. Shame my dear!
65 Sir Alcapone, the level of ignorance you are exhibiting is appalling! You are making too many assumptions. What makes you think that we are destitute? Do your research. By the way, people from all walks of life travel by train not because they cannot afford a car, but because it more convenient (due to traffic and speed) and the environmentally conscious because they believe less driving reducec global warming. Central London infact has a daily charge to discourage people from driving. We wont go into who owns what or earns what because that is obviously juvenile. If you think owning two cars and houses/farms makes you rich/superior then you obviously did not grow up with those things. Thank God that now you have them. P.s, you earn $72,000p.a, you dont know what a showrm looks like.
Iwe Alcapone,you are now to talking kak. Contribute maturely. No one wants know what you own here.,what benefit is it to Simon and them? Its your own achievement.. You are the one being childish here by talking about your RICHES. I wonder which showroom you bought cars from. Dont bring personal issues here. People have migrated not because they are coward,they want a decent life like running water in a toilet not using a bucket in a MANSION………
chi Al-Capone asuka mu number 56….we are waiting!wachilayumfwa fye iwe kwiindi
!ati ama bondi yatatu na faarmu?
if its true you have houses and a farm,I bet you also got those from that midget who is only as TALL as a pooltable!
Alcapone you are truly a Zambian. Please tell them us drive a Bently, your wife drives a Ferrari and your first born child an Austin. But do us a favour and tell us which showroom you boughtthose cars from. If it`s a Zambian show room then as expected there will be no record. If it`s from out side I can bet you, we will find record of your purchases. How old are you?
Enough of you Simon. Continue with your destitution. I would like to apologise to my fellow bloggers for getting out of line and thus engaging in a very shallow debate with an ignorant and dull fella like Simon. Accept my apologies my fellow countrymen. I therefore would like to re-engage in a much more realistic debate that will benefit others except Chi Simon. Forgive me once again my fellow bloggers.
When did govt ever liked criticism, GENUINE or NOT?!
When people want to express their displeasure with some court’s RULINGS; you call them AGITATORS and ANARCHISTS who should learn to accept court’s JUDGEMENTS. They do it before the judgements come down, you still label them agitators and the like. So, Bwana ATTONERY General, do you have any good ideas as to when is the right time for citizens to weigh-in on matters of National importance?
Remember, Bwana ATTONERY General Mumba Malila, it is not only govt who have a stake and opinion on these matters, plenty a Zambian wants some answers too—-trying to MUZLE citizens is so ‘Mugabe-sh’!!
This is strange ,vote wisely in 2011
but Al-Capone u are the childiSHEST blogger LT has ever had!were has this chap come from?Is this your first time pa LT?LT ban the 1d.i.o.t please.We blog ,to share ideas,to check other pipos opinions,to see wat others think.PLEASE WE DO NOT BOAST ABOUT OUR second-hand-used japanese cars….and half finished houses on plots that were acquired via “MMD-CADRE” style.
Alcapone you are truly a Zambian. Please tell us you drive a Bently, your wife drives a Ferrari and your first born child an Austin. But do us a favour and tell us which showroom you bought those cars from. If it`s a Zambian show room then as expected there will be no record. If it`s from out side I can bet you, we will find record of your purchases. How old are you?
I am happy to invest in three houses and a farm. But, am I oing to have water in those bungalows or will I be expected to use a bucket early in the morning in winter to have a “bath”? I know where I would rather be! Okay enough with Alcapone. Let governemnt not feel intimidated by people calling for demos. If we claim to be a democratic country then we should realise these are part and parcel of democracy.
Mumba ,Mumba,Mumba,Mumba sure mwana wandi ????chinshi chakuchinja apapene we mwana?iyeee mayo.wali umwana umusana pamilandu shakwa Dora…..nomba chinshi chaku chinja ???ma-brown envolopes?
70 AlCapone, The bible says that “we shall be known by our fruit.” If i am indeed childish, my contributions are here for all to see, and i will be judged as such by my peers on this blog. In conclusion, i would like to add that you are a disgrace. You idiolise thieves like FTJ because what you value most are material things. What will you teach your children? That money is the most important thing in life – get it, or die trying? Thats what results in people abusing their positions and living beyond their means. What happened to self respect, integrity, honesty and hardwork? If i am poorer than you (which by the way i doubt i am) but i provide for my faimily by honest work does that make you better? Grow up! Choose any topic from your MBA or any of your choice and take me on if you…
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Some of you are ill informed, if you commit a crime in a country and break their laws then you are liable to be sued in that country. CHiluba broke uk law by trying to launder money using UK resources and UK people hence why he was tried in London. If you steal in south africa do you expect to be tried in Lusaka? thats silly if you assume so.
Simon@77, good comment. We should move from this syndrome of supporting wrong things. Why should a person with MBA support Chiluba of all the people? Lets acquire wealth in a proper and respectable manner so that even your kids would take over from us. Its us chaps claiming to be highly educated who have failed our country. We have put our personal interests first by buying cars and properties thru dubious means. We embrace thieves…….ati chikali chama dilu. Shame on us
At last NGO have organised themselves. Thanx so much. Please carry on the good work. Many right thinking zambians are behind u! we on the copperbelt are ready to join in this important cause.
Fellow Zedians, where did we get this culture of lying – or, rather, not telling the truth? Cewrtainly not from our roots in the Congo of the Luba-Lunda. It’s clear from the utterances and actions of the RBB Administration that in their eyes, Kafupi is a hero, period. The Attorney-General should resign.
The comments from the Attorney General are silly in my view. When did he or anyone ever announce that the case has been registered. The only language government understands is pressure. RB and his Kabovaz cannot understand appeals by pipo bt pressure through the media and demos. All they want is to see to it that the 1m man walks to justice and the expense of Kabwe and Chungu. His wife is guilty of receiving stolen goods by who? Silly comments indeed especially the acquittal!
Statements like “There is no need for any person to start pressurising the courts over the London judgment case because as Government we have gone a step further by having this matter registered, so the best those wishing to hold such gathering can do is to rescind their decision,” Mr Malila said” ” malila
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“He said while the Government acknowledged the freedom of assembly, association and expression, it was wrong to misinform the public by making them believe that the matter was not before the Zambian courts anymore.” Mangani can not go without comment. when does the law get practiced? I don’t know about Mangani, he looks dull to me, but Malila of all people should know that Zambians needs information all the time. inform us adequately and all will be fine.
84 Cont ……No wonder the media Houses are calling for the freedom of information bill. There is a lot at stake. You chaps are so damn quiet. Grow up!!!!
Sir Alcapone #70, i followed your conversation with Simon. I wonder where we aiding to if educated people (as you claim) like you can surely support thieves. Sorry you sound to be a beneficiary of plundered resources, you do not deserve to be Zambian. leave Simon alone, he was talking sense….
The DPP’s boss is the Attorney General. Only the AG can over rule the DPP.
Can all of you armchair critics read the judgement on zambia watc4d04online right now. Instead of just accepting all the rubbish from post read it for yourself.
AG HAS NO POWER TO OVERRULE THE DPP. NO ONE HAS SUCH POWER. ONLY A TRIBUNAL CONSTITUTED BY THE PRESIDENT CAN DO THAT. AND THIS HAS TO BE WHERE THERE IS GROSS MISCONDUCT BY THE DPP. PLEASE DONT DISPLAY IGNORANCE IN PUBLIC. DPP IS A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE THE SECURITY OF TENURE. IT IS ONE OF THOSE VERY IMPORTANT STATE OFFICES. THATS WHY BEFORE APPOINTMENT DPP GOES THROUGH SERIOUS VETTING BY ALL ARMS OF THE STATE
As the Zed comedy continues. Why are these guys panicking when people request that the law is folowed to the letter ? This case as well as the other ‘unprosecutable’ ones should be fully exhausted through all the labyrithes of the Zambian law ! FTJ must go in one way or the ‘f ‘ other
I SAID BEFORE ON THIS BLOG THAT THE CHILUBA CASE HAS BEEN FEEDING MANY PIPO. IT IS THE FOUNDATION OF MANY NGOs THAT THRIVE ON IT. ANY DECISION, LEGITIMATE OR OTHERWISE, CONTRARY TO WHAT THOSE WHO SURVIVE ON THIS CASE WANT, IS SURELY TO BE MET WITH RESISTANCE, AS CAN NOW BE SEEN. THEY ARE THNKING ABOUT WHERE THE NEXT FUNDING WILL COME FROM IF THE CHILUBA CASE DIES. ANY SANE AND ANALYTICAL INDIVIDUAL CAN CLEARLY SEE HOW MANY ARE BENEFICIARIES OF THIS CASE. SO THE QUESTION IS WHY THE NGOs WANT TO USE THE COURTS AS RUBBER STAMPS TO JUST DO WHAT THEY HAVE FORE CONCLUDED. WHY ARE THEY NOT RESPECTING THE COURTS UNLESS DECISIONS ARE IN LINE WITH THEIR OWN? LASTLY WHY SHOULD THERE BE AN INDIVIDUAL TO BE SACRIFICED FOR THE SAKE OF DONOR AID? WHAT GUARANTEE IS THERE THAT OTHER DEMANDS WONT COME?
here are various documents circulating the Net which claim Chiluba was a victim of a plot concocted by the British to overthrow and persecute him. Well whether this is true or not, to me and most of the people in Zambia Chiluba is just a thief. It is doubtful that any knowledgeable person, except for conspiracy theorist, cranks and of course fabricators of stories on behalf of thieving ex-Presidents, really thinks Britain, France, the US, Germany, Sweden, Norway and Ireland have time to waste plotting against a sometime, rather mediocre past President of a small insignificant country in Africa. Chiluba was just a simple middle class accountant at Atlas Copco in 1991. Today by lifestyle and by any measure he is a millionaire. A dollar millionaire.
Chiluba has hidden his assets using Pablo Escobar or Don Corleone methods. As for failing to trace ownership of any assets of Chiluba’s well we can give examples. Horizon house in Kabulonga was probably Frederick Chiluba’s. However tracing the ownership proved to be a real hassle with investigators coming up against shell companies owned by lawyers in Panama and the Cayman Islands. This is a typical ploy employed by drug traffickers, criminals, money launderers and other dubious characters. This is true. No-one came forward to claim ownership of Horizon House except some Panamanian lawyer known to represent mobsters, tax evaders and other persons of dubious repute who is using a power of attorney provided by a shell company in a country known to shelter such persons of low repute.
Horizon House was Chiluba’s. This is a 99% certainity. If he bought the building from genuine gotten funds why the hide ownership ? Unless of course the source of funds is less than salubrious. This is typical of the trickster and twister of the truth, self confessed political engineer Frederick Chiluba.As for his acquittal, unfortunately it is an acquittal by technicality and not a clean acquittal. O.J. Simpson was acquitted because of sloppy police work and careless handling of evidence. However everyone knows he did it and unlike Chiluba he has kept a low profile and has not offended people by proclaiming his so called innocence. The prosecution mishandled the case and OJ went free he was innocent because the law will only take away youronly when the evidence is clear and untainted.
In Chiluba’s case procedural issues got him off. Not proof of his innocence. If he was sued under the less strict laws of evidence of a civil case, he would have lost like he lost in London and despite the slurs made by Chiluba’s team against the judge, this judgement still stands. The law firm that facilitated Chiluba’s shenanigans appealed against being lumped together with other crooks involved in these truly nefarious activities and won the appeal. Chiluba and company have not appealed. The reason is simple they would lose.bbb
In Zambia Chiluba has still not stood trial nor has he yet been acquitted for:-
1. Carlington Maize Deal US$ 8 million
2. Arms for Katebe Katoto deal US$ 20 million
3. Cobalt and Copper dealings at ZCCM unreconciled account and disappeared cash proceeds amounting to millions of dollars
4. Breaking his oath and endangering the security of the country by revealing State secrets which actually may have cost him his Presidency or even life if the Solo coup had succeeded. Chiluba was literally cowering under his bed while soldiers rampaged through Arrakkan barracks. His short sighted and misguided revelations which were treasonous as they revealed information which put the nation in danger back fired as he now had no means of escaping from State House.
Its intrestesting that its actually the government that are agitated wit the whole Chiluba issue, i have just realised that even the attoney general knows something here. The case wont go anywhere. The London court Judegement was said to have been registered 14 days after the London Judgement but its taken over a year. Indeed people can wonder as to whether its trully before the courts. RB is president therefore we will see a situation where it the London judgement will be thrown out of court saying the London court has no Jurisdiction in Zambia and bla blah blah. Thats like whats will happen.
5. Illegal arms, diamonds and fuel deals with UNITA which endangered Zambia and caused Angola to threaten war and resulted in 8 bombing around Lusaka by Angola as a veiled threat. Chiluba nearly led us into a war because of his greed and love for shady deals. Angola wrote a letter which according to sources had him literally shaking in his boots. Angola nearly went to war and by all measures Zambia would have been beaten easily if it had happened.
6. The mishandled deal which caused Zambia to lose some of its top of the line Mig-21 fighters which to this day are held in Israel. Once the commission was chewed our aircraft were either handed over or seized by IAI in Israel.
7. ZAF Mi-8 helicopters which were in perfect working condition and only had time expired parts. These choppers ended up in private hands and reputedly to add insult to injury were later hired by the Un to ferry Zambian troops on peacekeeping duties in Sierra Leone and Darfur
8. Sale of arms specifically ZU-23-4 Shilka, ZU-23-2, ZU-57-2 anti-aircraft guns to UNITA and SPLA from stocks held at 25 LAD Regiment and Lusaka Ordnance Depot
9. Disposal of the Challenger 601 Jet which is now flying in Texas for which Xavier Chungu was detained when he carried millions of dollars in a briefcase like a common drug dealer. Where that money went Chiluba and Chungu never explained. Instead we now lease a jet from Execujet.
10. Insider dealing and bid rigging of the Roan assets of ZCCM in the ill fated RAMCOZ saga
11. Unexplained deductions from UN peacekeeping allowances were the root cause of the Solo coup. Chiluba and Co were reputed to have siphoned off these deductions. Zambia normally has a battalion of troops on UN peace keeping duty. They get paid about US$1000 per month. Half of this was being deducted and collected from the soldiers. This meant roughly US$325,000 per month was being deducted from these soldiers and these funds were landing in someone’s pockets. This went on for years until the Solo coup.
Furthermore Chiluba’s morals do not stand up to examination and are simply not up to the standards of a God fearing Christian. Namely:-
1. Chiluba smokes dagga. ZAF pilots were once sent on an urgent mission on a a Bell 205 chopper to go and pick up an urgent parcel from Chiluba’s childhood friend. The parcel was 100% high quality Malawi gold marijuana.
2. Chiluba drinks alcohol. Several intimate associates reveal he drinks crystal champagne, Blue label and Laphroaig whisky.
3. Insatiable sexual appetite. Not content with stealing and committing adultery with his acquaintances wife (Eddie Mwanza’s wife) Chiluba was seen on several occasion at the home of several attractive middle aged women driving himself in his gold BMW. Apparently one lady that turned down his advances was rewarded with a diamond studded gold bracelet as a consolation prize. His close friend Robinson Mwansa facilitated these nocturnal adventures by lacking out certain areas of Lusaka where Chiluba was meeting these women. Several times Kabwata and Libala were victims while Chiluba went to his rendezvous with a very attractive vivacious resident of Libala opposite the NIPA complex along Burma road. Two of his aides almost blew the plot when looking for chicks for the boss at a college
4. Bizarre public behaviour. Singing songs about how bachelorhood had confused him dismayed his minder obviously the dagga he had smoked before the rally was of too high quality and resulted in unexpected results.
5. What is his real name. People who knew Chiluba before 1966-68 claim he went by the name of Titus Mpundu. Vigorous searches of his alma mater where he was expelled for beer drinking and dagga smoking in 1961 or 1962 and not for leading a demonstration have been unable to find any Frederick Chiluba enrolled during the period of 1957 to 1963 despite several searches. Former schoolmate and house mate John Chinula who knew how this name was changed was deported and died stateless and a pauper in Malawi to stop him revealing the truth. Frederick Chiluba another housemate employed
Frederick Chiluba another housemate employed at Luangwa Industries in Chipata lent his friend Titus Mpundu certificates which allowed him to gain employment.
6. Vindictiveness and abuse of office to avenge perceived wrongs. Dean Namulya Mung’omba was tortured and raped in prison on Chiluba’s orders and contracted TB and other diseases that resulted in his early demise. Cuthbert Nguni was tortured to death in the concocted Zero option plot on Chiluba’s orders. Kenneth Kaunda was arrested and held for 6 months for treason that never was with not a single witness nor a single shred of evidence when Chiluba lashed out blindly after the Solo coup attempt. Princess Nakatindi Wina suffered in order to humble her for her perceived arrogance during the same charade.
Bomb disposal expert Ordon Ngoma died at Lusaka international Airport in unexplained circumstances during the concocted Black Mamba scare. Other experts had questions. If he was supposedly defusing the bomb why was he dressed in a suit and tie and carry a loaded pistol ? Why was the airport not evacuated while he carrying out this so called bomb defusion ? Expert opinion was he was planting the bomb when it went off probably on the orders of Frederick Chiluba through his intelligence chief Xavier Chungu. Archie Mactribouy was hounded until he died destitute, mentally unstable for having the temerity to be allegedly his wife’s boyfriend.
. Even his ex wife Vera Tembo could not be allowed to find love and re-marry like Chiluba had done. Her proposed nuptials were torpedoed using Chiluba confidant and hatchet man Vernon Mwaanga. While everyone thought Vernon was rigging elections in Malawi, he was also on express orders of his boss making sure Vera did not become Malawi’s first lady.
As for his service chiefs who have ended up convicted for their various peccadilloes and scandals well let us see:-
Sunday Kayumba
Theft by public servant, flouting tender procedures, accepting bribes.
Geojago
Theft by public servant, flouting tender procedures, accepting bribes.
Funjika
Flouting Tender procedures, accepting bribes
Singogo
Theft by public servant, flouting tender procedures, accepting bribes, converting public property to personal use.
These are common criminal offences and unfortunately these gentlemen left a trail which a blind man could follow on dark moonless and starless night. No one compelled them to steal. And when they were caught they had their day in court. They unfortunately lost their cases and as they had no friends to subvert judges and change verdicts.
Dear Mr. Rupiah Banda, Mr. Chiluba and their PR minders should not insult our intelligence. Chiluba should quietly go away and enjoy his ill gotten monies. He should not flout his tainted so called innocence and have these Dickson Jere authored spin articles spread on the net. Mr. Chiluba (some of us do not count PhD’s given away by Universities of unknown provenance as real PhDs) like OJ Simpson please disappear and lead a quiet retirement. We are…
We are not part of your crooked acquittals or acquittals by technicalities. These mean nothing. There is a greater judge waiting for all of us and this judge knows all and will not be misled by clever lawyers nor bribed and cajoled into giving doctored or engineered verdicts. Please do not mock the Zambian people nor God with your stupid unrepentant attitude.
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cimbwi, thanks for spelling it out . I vividly remember the ‘Angola episode’, by all accounts we were hours away from war with Angola and we the people didn’t even know it. That whole crisis was Kafupi and Chungu’s making. How many Angola’s died because of Mr Chiluba? How many Congolese have died because of Mr Chiluba and most importantly, how many Zambian’s have died because of Mr Chiluba? No more weeping under the carpet for us! Btw. Sir Al Capone, don’t beg for forgiveness from us. You have shown a level of immaturity that I didn’t think was possible. But it is your support for a little thief that is completely inexcusable and is partly the reason why millions of Zambians have died needlessly over the last 15 years!
Cimbwi Various, Thank you for putting things into context and reminding people with selective amnesia. Chiluba ruined our country, ruined a lot of lives/families, and i cant for the life of me understand why he is a free man today. Chiluba is on record as saying there is $8m of his money in the Zamtrop account. I believe even a simple forensic examination of his tax records would then warrant his incarceration for tax evasion and under the current money laundering laws. The little man is a fraud. How can a person fail to have any classmates if he went to school? Did you notice how suddenly Chiluba was being seated at official events next to KK and RB? That was all to prepare us for his re-introduction to public life as they (MMD) intend to use him (or so they think).
THANKS TO CHIMBWI FOR OFFLOADING THE EARSAYS THAT ARE NOT ANY NEW. WHERE WERE YOU WHEN MUTEMBO WAS LOOKING FOR WITTNESSES. FOR EIGHT YEARS YOU COULD NOT OFFER TO BE A ONE. AND WHY IS IT THAT FOR SEVEN YEARS THE ONLY CASE IN COURTS WAS ABOUT USD400K + AND NOT THE BIG AMOUNTS THAT YOU SEEM TO HAVE EVIDENCE FOR? ITS INTERESTING THAT YOU CAN WASTE 2HRS OF YOUR TIME RE-WRITING MEDIA EDITORIALS, THAT ARE NOT NEW. ALL THE BEST!
Ka Simon # 111 become a Judge or Lawyer so that you can prosecute and judge Chiluba. It seems you are extremely obsessed with Kafupi such that you can’t ever move on in life other than discuss him day and nite. I totally disagree with you when you say Kafupi ruined people’s lives in Zambia. Anyway i can’t blame you especially when the little man was in power you never saw any opportunity in the policies that were implemented during his tenure of office. I can just conclude that you are some disgruntled individual who is so lazy and worked and so much used to hand outs. Some of us have worked extremely hard and believe so much in ourselves and as a result we are successful. Stop complaining, blaming and instead work hard for yourself.
Zambians get your facts correct before you use your hands to mislead pipo further…the london judgement alludes to a civil matter thus you cannot make pronouncements of guilty…in such matters you are found liable. It is the criminal matters that you are found guilty and in civil the burden of proof is based on the balance of probability whereas in criminal litigation its beyond all reasonable doubt. By the way those brishit people could not be held accountable in our courts…muzungus threaten to withdraw funding even when a useless one of their own is found guilty in a criminal matter…I have come across such matters so don’t argue.
By the way I totally support Al Capone on his stance…sit and think guys…argue from an informed point of view or position, then you shall not mislead others who are easily misled with you ignorance…the blind should not lead the blind….WHo among you has read the Chiluba judgement to start condemning anything legal or unlegal about it???? Most of you are just relying on Mmembe who has the judgement but has not published it. Believe me if it was in his favour or Nchito’s he would have published it…who can argue with this position???
Sad stiry pa zed. Malila is also bootlicking now
The main thing here is Z should not encourage corruption. The younger generation will think that is what leadership in Z is about. Unfortunately, the decision of a few greedy people in authority affects millions of lives. Anyone in leadership must be made accountable using the judicial system if they have misused public funds. Any leader in a country is appointed to serve the people. They should take their responsibility seriously and not think they will evade the law when they steal millions. People like Mandela are good examples of what true leadership is about.
Is it only me who has observed that the once near fatal heart condition of this Congo forest pygmy called Fred is now a thing of the past. What happened to this fatal condition from which many have answered God’s call and huray the man is healed not by God’s hand but by a simple magistrate! Mawee…
The Hour Has Come!,Let these Fools realise that Zambians cant be taken for a ride any more.Mumba Malira is becoming a useless chap nowadays.There is nobody upright in this Government.
taking the case to london was a ****up,lets protect our own kind.they can not bring brown or blair for us to gudge.Zambians pilizi!
Zambians lets be real, can the U.k allow us to try any of its citizens based there? Worse yet a former officer in their government. These donors/slave drivers/extortioners should just shut up, this is not the colonial era where they cough & we run to wipe there backsides…If you ask me thats what we should do to the london judgement! By the way they should still give us money because they got rich at our expense or they shuold just give us 1 lump sum as compensation & leave us to develop in peace. Viva FTJ! Viva acquital!
IS IT TRUE?
FTJ was taken to the London court over corruption by the late LPM who died after a recurrent brain stroke, He was found guilty by the late Judge Smith who died of a heart attack, the case was being registered in the Zambian courts by the late judge Japhet Banda who died in a road accident at the time of these events the Chief of Police who was a member of the Task Force by virtue of his office was Wazakaza Nguni, he died in a road accident. It is not clear which judge is currently handling the matter if any. President Chiluba is a former President and an evangelist; he has repeatedly pronounced that he is a prophet standing on solid rock and that whoever fights his Godly ways shall be crushed. It is yet to be known whether his prophecies are true or are yet to occur.
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