THE executive committee of the United Party for National Development (UPND) is scouting for a female vice-president, preferably from the Northern Province to enhance its chances of winning the 2011 presidential polls now that it is clear that the pact with the Patriotic Front (PF) is crumbling, sources have revealed.
At its extra-ordinary executive meeting held on January 6, 2010 chaired by President Hakainde Hichilema, serious concerns were raised about the manner the PF was conducting its campaigns in the private media and it was resolved that Nkandu Luo be courted for the position of third vice-president.
This, in the view of the UPND, would attempt to give the party a more national outlook and possibly lure some Northern Province votes and the women’s vote in the light of the impending split with the PF.
UPND spokesperson Charles Kakoma confirmed that the meeting took place and that among other issues discussed was the issue of the third vice-president.
He, however, said the choice of the candidate for the position was still under intense debate and consideration. When asked if she had received overtures for the position, Professor Luo could neither confirm nor deny. “Kindly allow me to remain silent over this matter, I would not like to begin to discuss politics, please leave me out of it for now,” she said.
Mr Kakoma said the ideals of the pact were still alive but that the individual parties had agreed to go on an intensive membership drive to build capacity and strengthen their bases. He warned party members not to bank on riding on the backs of other pact members in apparent reference to the PF adding that they as UPND members must concentrate on building their own strengths.[quote]
The sources revealed that some executive members who attended the meeting complained that the private media was giving undue coverage to Mr Sata as opposed to Mr Hichilema, who was being systematically relegated to second position. It was however agreed that the “divorce” be kept under wraps while the party heightened its campaigns and new membership drives until the very end, to forestall any counter moves that the PF or MMD would engage in.
According to the sources, the UPND leader had come under increasing pressure from traditional leaders in the province to dissolve the party’s marriage of convenience with the PF because it was apparently clear that Mr Hichilema had already been relegated to the position of vice-president of the pact.
This has settled very badly with die-hard UPND members and traditionalists who felt that their president was giving in too much.
Mr Hichilema was, in the light of the impending cracks in the pact, advised to review all the disciplinary cases and instead speak the language of reconciliation to woo influential members who had left, to rebuild confidence.
Mr Hichilema is reportedly in the Western and North- Western provinces where he had travelled to garner support in readiness for the polls. “Hakainde is ready for the 2011 elections not as vice-president under the pact with the PF but as president of the UPND, it looks like the man has finally started seeing sense over this pact and realises that he is only being used by Mr Sata, even leaders like Chief Nalubamba has held meetings with him to advise him,” the source said.
PF spokesperson Given Lubinda said he took the UPND to be equal partners as prescribed in the memorandum of understanding and as far as he was concerned, everything was running smoothly. He said the UPND and the PF were alive to the fact that at no point did they agree to dissolve their respective parties to form one and as such both were at liberty to campaign in the manner they wanted.
“We are in the pact out of sincerity and good faith, we therefore would not like a third hand to dampen our resolve not on any propaganda allegations,” he said.
He added that the pact had learnt to take such insinuations in their stride and would treat such information as statements coming from detractors.
[Times of Zambia]
Maybe a Bemba speaking lady will make you electable for once young man.
The pact is intact. These are just stories! They wont work. Am just concerned that UPND is “scouting” for a female Vice President. You mean it had no Bemba women in its ranks? A bit tricky in my opinion. kaya!
This was a no brainer #2 you must be highly addicted to lies, falacies and ivory towers. You surely expected this to go anywhere. MMD deserves a better opposition to sharpen our focus and we applaud this move by the UPND leadership. PF is not just at our level. All they know is just to insult. How can you build a nation like that and mark my words, count the insults that will be on the thread from PF followers by end of today and you will be amazed. You wont see any insult on this thread from either HP, UPND or MMD. PF does not deserve to be anywhere near the corridors of power and any sensible person shouldn’t even have dealing with this bunch. Their standard is just too low, even for Kulima Tower
#2 This was a no brainier, you must be highly addicted to lies, fallacies and ivory towers. You surely expected this to go anywhere? MMD deserves a better opposition to sharpen our focus and we applaud this move by the UPND leadership. PF is not just at our level. All they know is just to insult. How can you build a nation like that and mark my words, count the insults that will be on the thread from PF followers by end of today and you will be amazed. You wont see any insult on this thread from either HP, UPND or MMD. PF does not deserve to be anywhere near the corridors of power and any sensible person shouldn’t even have dealing with this bunch. Their standard is just too low, even for Kulima Tower
Female Vice President will really be cool…its high time we have one. The pact is not going to work coz Sata wants to be the President and HH Vice, besides HH can do a better job than Sata.
The fact that I have alot of personal Bemba friends and respect I think this makes sense bringing Prof Luo as Veep although the battle will be again between HH Vs MC S because the mmd is now weak and the fact that UPND has reclaimed North western ,Western,3/4 of central and Ndola rural it will give them an upper hand. For PF they still comand Luapula,CB and Northern while Lusaka is for sharing ,and so the chances is 50 Vs 50 for HH and MC this cramble is caused by Post newspaper who simply support MC not HH , they have been doing so throughtout.
this are the tricks of the MMD espercially its coming from state news paper it wont work as the pact is intact and doing fine
The PACT is here to rule and stay. This article was written by MMD. VIVA pact and abash political masterbation from the MMD.
Pact wont work because the Post want sata and that leaves UPND with no mouth peice when MMD has plenty!
A wave of kafwafwa unfolding towards PACT implosion
(1)-UPND scouts for female Veep …As HH guns for UPND presidency
(2)-More fight Lubansenshi MP
(3)-‘PF UPND pact to collapse’
No right thinking human being can fail to understand that this marriage of convenience called PACT is a falling snowball of desperate and self defeated minds whose titular parties impact has continued growing irrelevant in a functional democracy. The so called PACT is implosion in phase 2
I conquer with Chief Mwanachingwala’s deep insight when he declares a spell of the PACT that ‘PF UPND pact to collapse’
He said if the PF-UPND pact does not adopt Mr Hakainde Hichilema as a presidential candidate, most of the people in Southern Province will vote for the MMD.
I challenge smart and detailed PACT members if there are any to drive a sober debate in articulating why they believe this PACT circus has space in this dispensation. We will show you why this is PACT was born with its own death certificate.
Its indeed a pity.
We needed the PACT so much. But the way the POST in particular is carrying on, it makes it difficult for mutual trust. Everyday (even today) you find Sata as the frontpage page lead story. This is giving him all the advantage as it entrenches HIM and HIM alone as the de facto leader. In the event that HH is chosen as a candidate, he will appear a stranger.
Who is the President between HH and Sata?
Well regardless of the interests behind this article the fact is UPND has people with brains and therefore wouldn’t help a lunatic go to “Plot One”. Its either HH becomes pact president and the pact rules or MMD. All sensible Zambians with sound minds that have clear memories wouldn’t make a mistake of voting for Sata. If Sata doesn’t allow HH to stand PF members should know that end of their journey has come. I can assure you UPND will have the votes even in Sata’s strong hold come 2011. Ba Sata should should work up to fact that his life is in the evening and his time to rule is long gone. 2008 was the nearest he could ever come to power. 2011 his power will dwindle significantly. UPND on the contract will make significant gains. Watch the space
This whole thing called PF-UPND Pact is non starter. HH and Sata have and will always be poles apart. PF wanted to use UPND as a springboard to Plot 1. The whole arrangement was like that of a horse and a rider. The Post has always given more coverage to Sata than HH. At the rate things are going the PACT is dead and has worked to the advantage of MMD. The voting pattern will be based on region. MMD is likely to lose a substantial no. of seats in Copperbelt (Rural) Western and N/Western Provinces but gainn a few in Luapula and Northen Provinces. PF will lose some seats in Northen and Copperbelt. As for HH that dress clearly indicates his ambition for plot 1. Richard Kapita and Col Mweene what predicated last year at funeral hse has been the truth. THe pact was hide & seek game. What next?
Remain calm. The PACT is winning by elections and the MMD is loosing. You want it or not, the same spirit that the people are using to votes for the PACT will continue until the end of elections in 2011. This is the end of MMD.
Our opposition political parties have no interest of themajority at heart.They are dead bent on serving individual party interests not national. Dont make mistake MMD will carry the day with a small majority in parliament. Come 2011. There is no way HH and King Cobra can be in union for a long time. We need a party that will redesign our econmical landscape. We can politic but for as long as we entertain and embrace bad investment politices which favour the foreign investor at the expense of the local ones then we are doomed. We need someone will a BIG BRAIN to steer this country out of self and man made poverty.
“now that it is clear that the pact with the Patriotic Front (PF) is crumbling”
I wish the above statement was substantiated.
I was listening to Sata on a phone in radio program just a few minutes ago and 90% of those that called in expressed the same fear most of you are expressing on the blog; that the pact will collapse. Sata says, “Hold your fire! The PACT is intact. Come rain, come sunshine”. What most of you dont understand is that this thing has been thought through by the two parties. You need to understand that the PACT is NOT Sata and HH, but the people of Zambia! In short, The PACT is alive, here to stay and ready to assume office in 2011. Viva PACT!!
HH approach Mdm Inonge Lewanika, she will do good. Another one would be Nawakwi, she is mature now.
when i say that HH is a tonga chicken, peope think am being unfair to him, just look at whats happening the guy doesn’t believe in himself, now hes confusing himself even more.HH has NO balls, nothing! just feathers
Another threat to the PACT is that HH is been controlled by the so called chiefs from southern, he constantly listen to their ill advices,aimed at dividing pact votes on tribal lines if he does not do what they tell him, like what chief mwanachingwala has said.Instaed HH should bring these chiefs into focus discussion aimed at winning the 2011 election within the UPND and the PACT and improve zambia after 2011 as a PACT. Am afraid if HH continues to listen to these chiefs if he becomes presiddent of Zambia, the county will be worse than we see it today.
Ah,so it’s in the Times Of Zambia,well,we know where it’s coming from then,to hell with MMD!
#22 Ndobo, you are right the guy is not strong to stand political pressure.
This development is a taste for how politically mature PF and UPND are to make a reflective decision and stand by it without being swayed by mobs who may only lack political finesse, and have no understanding of the real political dynamics in the country. The Pact is “strength” and indeed, a threat to MMD. Undoing the pact implies splitting votes between PF and UNDP, thereby strengthening MMD. The question of PF/UNDP presidency is surely difficult and delicate but it can be worked out in the manner that avoids political suicide. Otherwise, the two parties will have to regret for their fatal mistake when it’s too late –we see this after every elections. My advice to PF and UNDP is that don’t act emotionally. You are dealing with politics; act politically. Especially, try to…
#23 Mwiponta, Why do you say HH is controlled by the chiefs (because they are) from the Southern Province? Educate me there.
Especially, try to identify the real political motivations that underlie such solicitations for division or you risk finding yourselves in the net of your “political enemy” –you will have only yourselves to blame for lack of wit. I now cast my vote: KEEP THE PACT.
Ndobo #22 there you go again, what’s wrong with you, you cant just discuss without insulting. However if the pact goes I can asure you we are not vote so HH abe fye fwino and put the interests of the nation first. I thought the Post Newspaper ably explained why HH was not covered, they were not informed about his tours. Sata is more popular than HH so let them work out something. Let us forget about tribe and region bane zambia is one big entity.
#22 Ndobo, Let us not use abusive lang but rather debate this soberly.
#23 Mwiponta, do you agree that certain private media are giving Sata far much more coverage than HH?
The so called PACT between Sata and Hichilema was born with its own death certificate, lives with it and is getting interred with it.There are no structures of operations, transformation and integration for the two to commingle their political confusion.
there is no way Sata will let HH be President. HH is not Presidential material. he can be Minister of Finance. He should forget ever being a President especially with King Cobra. Lubinda wont let him be VP either ha! ha! walya iloba HH
The Post justified their seemingly ‘unbalanced’ coverage between Sata and HH saying that, it was logical to give Sata more coverage because he was the leader of Zambia’s largest opposition. Right or wrong, for me that is not an issue and it is besides the point. Let us be focussed. It is a PACT, period! Sata himself told the nation that HH is in the Western Province (Kaoma Or Kalabo). They are in touch and all is well. MMD are scared to the bone, and that is why you see all these lies and inuendos flying around. It is all in an attempt to split the Pact. Well, its too late. The victory wheels are already in motion!!
#29 You said “Sata is more popular” or do you mean SATA LOVES TO BE THE ATTENTION and so he can go all way to plays to the gallery. Every little piece of info he stumbles on he makes sure that he gets media coverage, sometimes even on trivial issues or without checking his facts properly. YES at times he does expose something IMPORTANT, but usually most are just useless and/or baseless utterances.
#30 the owl flies and #22 Concerned citizen…i have not insulted anyone, don’t create a storm in tea cup,, chiwamila imwe to use that kind of language to RB and MMD..Where the same language is directed at you then its not “fair”..you want to use the “holier than thou” attitude…pull yourselves together guys!
I will be willing to join UPND and stand as their MP on the Copperbelt if they break away from the pact. The pact is a harmful to the intellectual standing of such a good party.
PF has no policies and makes them on the move i.e. “reduce taxes”, “create jobs”, etc. How they can do that nobody knows. They will not even mention education and health unless they are at a school or hospital. What can they do for us? Nothing!
Let us get out of this pact and win this election now!
#32 malilwe, thank you so much for your wisdom. And I am sure you will be Minister of Info and Broadcasting since you so wise. I hope HH will enjoy the soil.
#35 Ndobo, kindly point out where I used that language on RB and MMD
ndobo if you have nothing of worth to say, do us a favour..go get some education!
# 4 “…. PF is not just at our level. All they know is just to insult. How can you build a nation like that and mark my words, count the insults that will be on the thread from PF followers by end of today and you will be amazed. You wont see any insult on this thread from either HP, UPND or MMD. PF does not deserve to be anywhere near the corridors of power and any sensible person shouldn’t even have dealing with this bunch. Their standard is just too low, even for Kulima Tower”
YOU mean all the 683,150 who voted SATA in 2008 are beneath you.U claim PF followers are foul mouthed but your commentary is awash with offensive language.Lets put were points across devoid of demeaning phrases.
#35 Ndobo, I am you would love people to call a guys with “NO balls, nothing! just feathers”
Mwana Chinondo #36, I love you enthusiasm. Keep it up. But honestly, just as much as i like UPND, what chance does it have of winning this election alone when they cant even win a single seat on the Copperbelt, Northern and Luapula? My friend, those chances were buried the day we buried Kambela Mazoka at his farm on that sad day. The chance to evict RB from State House has now come in the form of the PACT. And as long as you keep seeing Sata or HH as the PACT, you will not believe in it. Instead, see yourself and the millions of Zambians driving this winning machine.
The post is to blame for these recent cracks in the pact and MMD are really capitalising on this. The justification given by Amon about giving prominency to MCS is incorrect. Late Mazoka was at one time leader of the largest opposition political party but was not given such prominency and instead the Post oted to date smaller parties. The only sin HH committed to the Post is that he beat their unprincipled candidate in the name of Saki – atleat we can all see what is now left of him, his party is just a skeleto and despite all this, the Post has never condemned him as they should have.
MMD shall again retain power and the Post is facilitating this process through bias coverage. Through the pact Zambia should have had alternative leadership. Remember, WP, NWP & SP can
never vote for MC
Chief Mwanachingwala is MMD. HH should not listen to what the Chief is saying because he has just been paid by the MMD to destabilise the pact.
Sata knows this is the last chance he has to go to State House. There is no way he will give this opportunity to HH. Meanwhile, HH thinks he should be the man for the job and is loathe to allow Sata to lead.
The pact only works during bye-elections as the pact members have mutual interests in these. When their interests clash (for the pact presidential candidate), that will spell their death. No matter what they say now, the pact is doomed and the sooner they get their heads out of the sand, the better for them.
#35 Ndobo
Your dirty language tells a lot about your character and background.
#43 Historian, i like your point. What i don’t agree is the blank statement that “MMD shall again retain power…”. Believe you me, not with RB at the helm! There is so much discontent within the ranks of the ruling party over the manner in which RB is running the affairs of both the party and the Govt. On WP voting for Sata, well, that is obvious. The West (unfortunately) tends to cling to its own sons (for lack of a better term), but with regard to NWP, anything goes there (i think). SP is a non starter. Nice points you have raised though.
Without HH, Sata can never be President. And now that HH and his supporters are extremely smart people, Sata will never rule Zambia. I put my cards on HH coz he is young, teachable, intelligent and can relate with the modern world. As for Sata kaya, n by the way, the constitution being drafted has put qualification for MPs at G12. Do you think qualification for presidency will be lower than that???? God forbid and the last time I checked this MC of a cobra didn’t have a G12 certificate. So someone pls enlighten me.
# 4…. You are the great analyser, you are 100% right! Come 2011 we are voting for the right party with right manners to rule zambia.
The crumbling of the pact just had to happen. HH is learning what all sober minded Zambians have known for a long time that Sata is the epitome of trouble, a red-eyed snake with a running mouth who can never be trusted and he will never rule Zambia.
Good Morning
All those rejoicing over the cracks in the PACT should know that there can never be a poltical pact which is 100% perfect. With great strength always come great responsibilities and greater challenges. As Mr. Lubinda has explained, the two parties merged in sincerity and good faith on the basis of common interests but their liberty to campaign individually is still reserved.
On the other hand, I think that the main weakness with the PACT is that it has been wasting so much time and energy on defining common leadership roles instead of developing and presenting their political programmes.
FACT: Prof Luo CANNOT work under HH.
FACT: Prof Luo is likely to work with Sata, they have done before.
FACT: Prof Luo is not electable, nevr has been.
FACT: Three vice presidents in UPND is a recipe for malfunction and disaster.
FACT: There are too many egoistic politicians in Zambia.
FACT: Every politician in Zambia wants to be President (well, almost)
So ..at the end of it all,you agree that MMD is strong..FULLSTOP!
as final voter,i wished that the pact would be successful.my view where that pf being the largest political sata will be allowed to be president of the pact for the begining and i prayed that hh being young has more opportunity to become president than the old man.my view was if this happen and the two become selfless and allow us voters to decide since we are all tired of mmd then the pact will win.now i have seen the mmd have reorganised and since they had more fear of the pact if sata stands now the fear has gone since kunda has been pushing and make sure that hh stands under the pact.in this my conclusion is that rb has done again by splitting the pact and he is headed for victory because sata alone can not win a republic vote just like hh but rb can.iam disapointed as a pact supporter
An army can only have one commander, a ship can only be stirred by one captain, any organisation or institution under the sun, has to have one leader at the helm. You cant have two leaders giving instructions at the same time. HH and Sata are responsible for this impending break up, all these issues arising now should have been ironed out at formation. There is no way that you can call your selves married when the wife is carrying her own name and identity, you will risk loosing your wife to other men, seal the deal, choose a head now!!!
#47 nom de plume dot com and # 39 vitali you are too young get into a talk with me you’ve no backbones, i will phone you parents.
# 41 the owl flies…am sure what your point is! your comment is unclear.
Here is somethings which is painfully true: RB and Sata are political dinosaurs with muyayaya genes in their blood from KK, What ‘ve these guys got to offer which you don’t know of?.i mean these guys ‘ve been around since stone age they must be in retirement by now.Recycling politicians and ideas is what is killing zambia. HH would ‘ve been a good option but the guy has FEATHERS instead and NO stamina. so what would you choose between a snake and a monkey for president?
I am supporting the MMD in 2011 but If the pact is breaking then thank God. The MMD deserves a better opposition and not PF. UPND by itself is issue driven like the MMD and is thus far a better opposition to the MMD.
PF is full of ad hominems, insults and portrays itself in an uncivil manner. UPND is a better opposition. If UPND is filing for divorce, I say let the games begin, all the best and please accept defeat when MMD wins the elections in 2011.
Sata has waited so long for this chance and this young man HH came along offered him a chance!!! HH, in the meantime, would want to shed the regional tag, this old man (with a weak heart) would surely step aside and give him the holy grail! These and not people’s desires are the at the heart of the pact. Surely the only saviour of this situation is a neutral candidate – but who can be acceptable to both president?
If the pact is serious about winning the 2011 elections then they should start thinking outside the box (or pact!)If Sata stands then he won’t get the votes in HH’s strongholds and if HH stands even him won’t get support in Sata’s strongholds.Whoever stands btwn these two,the only winner will be the MMD candidate.MMD knows this pending opportunity and the pact shouldn’t be under any illusions that the MMD won’t capitalise heavily on this issue.If the pact’s primary aim is simply to unsit the MMD govt then let the pact think outside the box and the box here means the pact.Let the pact settle for HH and Sata as it’s two vice presidents and then choose a brilliant charismatic ‘outsider’ to stand on the pact ticket in 2011.Preferably such a one should neither be a southerner or a…
Preferably such a one should neither be a southerner nor a northener/Luapula.Maybe RB would agree!
#58 Do you honestly believe that after all this sweat….finaces HH has wasted….Sata’s popularity growing everyday, these two leaders can relinquish the hot seat for an unknown, that can never happen. The fact that they have been to elections several times and have failed but still keep going shows you how much they want the leadership position, what you suggesting can be succesful on selfless leaders, but is also a serious recipe for tribalism, why should one be denoied leadership because he is from a particular region that HH or Sata hails from. The best solution here is let them pick a candidate, those who will be disgruntled will leave and then forge ahead, they are simply wasting their own time.
#60 jooste…good points you have laid out..at least you see through the misty,
Sata’s PF is the largest Opposition party followed by HH’s UPND. Combined the MMD is no march. Now the MMD is not totally foolish just beause they have George, Shikapwasha and Mulongoti in their ranks. It wil be beneficial for the PF/UPND pact to crumble so that the vote is split and enables theMMD to carry the day, Hence Zambians should put pressure to ensure the survival of the pact. I only hope his article as all articles of this nature is from the Shu ShuShu to confuse people but time for such confusion is over. We wont buy it.
This article has achieved its purpose. It has caused a lot of us to have doubts about the pact and now we are just where we started from in the beginning asking the same question, “we dont want MMD but who then do we vote for”? Ba Moze, your comments on the pact being intact are very encouraging as we have put a lot of faith into it.
Last kicks of a dying horse, The best Opposition Leader Zambia has ever had is Mr M. Sata like it or yes we all know the thrid teram issue that’s when I stopped liking him, But he was just tricked by Kafupi together with HH they make a very good team I pray and wait for the day AlaBee and his shikamulongoties will pack their bags and leave us in peace.
One thing surprises me why are the MMD suckers crying for HH to be alone?? thats the only weak point they have if they can make HH leave the pact then they think that they will win come 2011 we shall people crying all the best Alabee and your family of …………..aaa i wont insult
This is all crap guys and girls. If HH stands he will win more votes than before mostly in N/W and W provinces, this means MMD votes will diminish. PF will just have to maintain their strong holds and thus may emerge victorious in other words this may boomerang in MMDs face.
#60,Regardless of how many cattle or how much finances HH has spent or to borrow your words “waisted”,he won’t get the national vote on that basis.On the issue of Sata’s popularity ‘growing’ I think it depends on how you define the word “grow”.It may be correct to say his popularity is indeed growing but I’d be more interested in knowing on what ‘soil’ it is growing on coz that’s what matters in the final analysis.If it’s growing among the voters,then that’s good for him but if it’s just growing among LT bloggers and/or the Post frontpages then his lawyers should start preparing for yet another presidential results petition.The talk about regional voting in Zambia is worthless but a politician who doesn’t listen to such is a fool.I hope we will one day start voting on…
Take it or leave it with Sata as president the pact is DEAD
I hope we will one day start voting on non-tribal lines.
The PACT is built on selfish and shortsided motives and the same selfish motives will leave to its inevitable crumble. Both Sata and HH and hoping to catch each other napping so that they can each ride on the other’s vote; unfortunately there is only one statehouse in Zambia. The longer they take to decide who will between the two of them will stand against RB in 2011, the deeper they are both digging their graves. Lets face it, Sata cant win without HH relinquishing his presidential aspirations, HH cant win if Sata doesnt step aside. The end result is that the two of them might as well be campaigning for RB at the rate they are avoiding to name the PACT candidate.
If Sata insists on being the pacts presidential candidates, it is dead. If HH insists on being its presidential candidate, it’s dead. I don’t see either of them standing aside for the other – either way, the pact is dead!
We cannot allow a lunatic to be president. If the whole thing is about tribalism that is to say if tongas support HH bcoz he’s tonga. Well much as this is a wrong motive their choice remains the correct option. on the other hand if bembas support Sata for his tribe, then i can only say its time for them to swallow their pride for the sake of the country bcoz obviously Sata is just Not the right person for office # 1. He has never been , he is not, he will never be. Honestly you believe Sata can develop our country becoz he can insult the nurses if they dont do their jobs. We need a sober mind, we need to be represented as a country in meetings with other countries, we need someone investor friendly, we need someone educated to the level the presidency demands. Lets be serious people.
The PACT is built on selfish and shortsighted motives and the same selfish motives will lead to its inevitable crumble. Both Sata and HH are hoping to catch each other napping so that they can each ride on the other’s vote; unfortunately there is only one statehouse in Zambia. The longer they take to decide who between the two of them will stand against RB in 2011, the deeper they are both digging their graves. Lets face it, Sata cant win without HH relinquishing his presidential aspirations, HH cant win if Sata doesnt step aside. The end result is that the two of them might as well be campaigning for RB at the rate they are avoiding to name the PACT candidate.
This was expected cos Sata and HH are like water and oil.Cant just mix.I applaud HH for coming to his senses that working with Sata is suicidal.I repeat,Sata as Commander -In-chief of our lovely Zambia is NOT an option cos of his track record of treachery and brutality, thus him as President is a person non-grata.
Hey guys i have told you that it is not possible for HH to give in to Sata as president no no it can happen.Sata has refused to allow HH as president so how can the so called pact work.some Zambians act like children they forgert that Sata and HH wants plot one.Now who do you think shud surrender HH or Sata. Sata is standard 4, guard and HH is Form V with merits, graduate in Economics at UNZA, working in various companies. Then who is qualified?
Do not blame the post, How do you expect the post to cover HH when he has not said anything? Sata is always talking thats why he is always on their paper.
Yah nhe
I can assure you if Sata stands as president he will loose again. There are a lot of people including foreign countries who do not want Sata to go thru. Honestly you cant just think why they have been stealing votes from him continuously. I bet you if HH had to stand on the PACT ticket he would win without much difficulty. Sata’s time is over he just has to give chance to some one else if change has to come to Zambia.
very interesting article. how can you say the article is by MMD when Lubinda has even rersponded and Kakoma has been quoted. the meeting did take place and the fact is that Kakoma said yes we are looking for a veep but thats for strengthening the individual parties BUT why not strengthen the Pact???? read the story again and you will see its far much better than the junk we get from Post because not only do they have quotes from confidential sources but both UPND and PF have commented and have not disputed the story. they have only disagreed with the conclusion by the journalist. Times I say well done!!
In general, Tongas are a tribal people with strong tribal identity issues. They do not see the PACT as a necessity to win national elctions come 2011, but as a sell out by HH. Will HH, a Tonga betray Tongas?
If HH goes on with the PACT, he will lose some Tonga votes – may be to MMD in protest. If he withdraws from the PACT, he and Sata may fail to gain enough votes to win the elections.
Trully, the main issue is HH and UPND. How will they stand on their own to win elections? Can they ride on a bigger party, PF, and not be swallowed up?
Even if this article is a propaganda from MMD, the issues raised are real. Will UPND ever be big enough, or forever be a minority party like the Liberal Party in the UK, not a force to reckon with. Why?
reading the story again, I find it is a damn good story!!!!
Number 48 & 73 Connie & Lubinda respectively – You are talking of qualification. The last time I checked, Mr. Sata wanted to produce a degree. You will be surprised by Mr. Sata. The second thing is that the Presidency is not about qualification. Our current president here in South Africa Jacob Zuma has no degree but voted the best president in Africa within 9Months of being in power. Thirdly HH has no political drive. He has destroyed the UPND while PF has gained moment than ever before. HH should accept being a Vice President period. The two can work well with HH on foreign front.
Consider the source of this news- Times of Zambia. This is a government mouth piece. I would not trust anything from this new paper. This is a government planted story meant to divide the pact. HH knows very well that splitting the pact is a sure way to allow for incompetent Banda to reign for another 5 years, which would be a shame. This is a divide and rule tactic by Banda and his goons.
The story is real but UPND strengthening its party. If HH is wants to go alone, he will be surprised by the results. UPND is not a strong party as it was under Mazoka. All this people saying that HH should go alone wants the MMD to continue being in power. This story is real and interesting as KING SOLOMON SAYS. Finding a Bemba lady or man as veep does not solve the problem of UPND’s performance.
Good lord god almighty, what manner of tribal gutlessness is this bening manifested by UPND? We today are in trouble with an inert presidenct and it was all because of Levy wanting the Eastern vote, he dies and Zambia landed in the hands of a “monkey toilet”. For UPND to fall into the same tribal trap that is causing massive damage to the fabric of this nation is unforgivable andjust shows how tribal this party really is.
true true bwana Litunga education is not the measure for leadership but the problem with sata is he has no wisdom whereas zuma has plenty of wisdom and he listens to advice from educated people. sata instead surrounds himself with equally ill educated people like GBM, willie nsanda, given lubinda etc. HH has shown that even with education he is a bad leader. The pact will not last because the chiefs in southern province do not want it because they know Sata’s history very well and the kind of person he is. the tonga’s cannot vote for sata not because he is bemba but because they do not trust him. If you recall in 1991 and 1996 southern province voted 100% for FTJ who is from luapula. so I refuse to accept Tonga’s are tribal, they are just intelligent voters who can see a snake in sata
# 81Chinondo – The story is real and analysed well. The call we should do is that HH should not pull out of PACT.
He can go even arise Alice Lenshina from the grave, appoint her his deputy and still lose. The SOB is damaged goods and shall never wield any power in the corridors of our state. Magande is the ultimate deal and the sooner he scales the MMD ladder the better.
KING SOLOMON – If we can use SATA to change power, both PF & UPND will remain in opposition. The change of government will make people work in the first term. If we push SATA for presidency and HH as veep, the problem of Zambia is solved. Sata is well much informed and HH can manage the foreign issue for us. HH is connected to the outside world.
#86 Marvellous Marvin Hagler – Magade will not win the MMD president at the convention. We should not even talk about him. MMD youths and Mulongoti will sort him out.
Relax all those that are emotional. President HH and the mighty UPND just need a “third vice-president” since they have 4 Vice-President positions are was reported in this medium last yr. The PACT is strong as evidenced by Mr Sata’s radio interview for he has accepted that HH can be presidential candidate also.
Keep well and continue work hard you all for your personal development.
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Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.
# 84, You are absolutely correct in your analysis of Sata and Zuma. I must say I had my own scepticism about Zuma. However, after hearing his speeches and debates, long before his nomination as ANC presidential candidate, I reached the same conclusion. Sata fails to even articulate his very own beliefs about the Chinese as was recently demonstrated on VOA. Indeed, your argument that education is not an indication of leadership, holds true for Jacob Zuma, but not for Micheal Sata!
People please lets stop this tribal thing. Dont blame Sata. Banda, HH, etc but yourselves for even encouraging it to preval by constantly mentioning it. I might be a nobody but at least I know the consequences of such talk. ONE ZAMBIA, ONE NATION Please!
King Cobra and HH are from different schools of thought. Their marriage of convinience has broken up. THere no pretending at the moment.
88 Litunga Nalute Kalyabantu – Nobody will sort him out, you have to be blind in the most extreme to not realise the impending inplosion of the MMD at the convention. The political exurberance that today characterise the MMD is like the Haitian earthquake just awaiting the convention to shake scum of the world that sorround your monkey toilet Kamwendo Munjila. Not even the intervention of god can stop Kansundila from being swept away.
amen one zambia one nation. Litunga i take note of your optimism but you know its not so simple as that. anythging can happen between now and 2011. there are many new voters that will come in in 2011 and they may not like to vote for such an old person like MCS
#89…..are you telling us that Micheal Chilufya Sata, PF president has accepted the second position, is that what you are saying….please elaborate on Sata’s statement that you are referring to.
We’re in support of the pact, those traditional rulers kaya induna’s are holding brown envelopes while trying to distruct us no no no. mmd expired way back, PF-UPND is firm & will be intact till polling day, come 2011.
Opposition will not will if they continue to divide themselves. Zambians will see that they are just a group of power hungry chaps. Please UPND and PF work togather for the sake of Zambia. U have seen that the pact is working well and achieving good results. Don’t listen. This pact is all helping zambia.
Ive always said sata is a user.can not be trusted.changes any time.speaks without taking thought.He is a danger to society.I told you that pact can not stand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how can an educated person like HH relegate himself to a post of VP, so that he can be fired anytime? Remember wat happened to nevers mumba. this guy HH will be fired with no time and he will regret if at all he continued with the fake marriage with the cobra.
I would like to think HH is neither a fool nor a blind man. HH knows his support level & it should be clear to everyone that there is no way HH can win a presidential election in Zambia at this point. Sata, in as much as you might take him for a fool, has amazingly wide support among all demographics in the majority of heavily populated provinces in Zambia. Infact, all factors taken level (without rigging), Sata most certainly won 2006 & 2008 presidential elections. HH has always been a distant third or is it fourth. HH knows this and as a matter of fact it would be an advantage for him to be in pact with Sata, get “introduced” to the rest of the country, and once Sata is tired (he is already an old man), HH can then spring up. For now all this nonse of pact crumbling is MMD bull-pack.
I like the way this debate in unfolding, what i did say about HH?? and what did i say about the PACT, people said i not using kind wording…anyway am going for my evening prays, God bless you all
This topic has generated alot of interest and thanks to LT/TZ. Going through most of the comments one can easily conclude that HH stands to loose. At this stage even if he got a Bemba female VP its too late. He lost his golden opportunity when he chased the likes Bob ,Henry,Saki,Pat Given Usuf ,etc. He will never manage to assemble such a formidable team. He must accept the fact that by failing to condemn those tribesmen of his , the likes of Sijani,Madyekuku etc whose utterances made it impossible for credible people to stay in UPND.
This is the best time for the pact to die. Let people vote o clear minds than to be told at the last hour
If the pact is still there it should work on numbers.
I see the pact as none starter. Just desolve it now.
#99 I am sure you were one of those who must have gathered at the Independence stadium waiting for that swearing in which never was :-). Remember Sata forcing his way into the Chief Justice’s Office demanding change of venue – very presidential for that. The guy clearly lost 2006.
# 89. Maestro is now blogging from a cafe! Anyway, welcome back bro. We missed you here on LT. Hope you have not forgotten German. So, give us your perception of how things are on the ground. You are the only credible person we can hear from. Please leave out Sata’s education temporarily.
Ine, what you should know about me is that I’m not a cadre and I never champion any politician, particularly Zambian politicians. These characters called politicians are simply shameless buffoons with personal agendas. Now, when I say Sata most certainly won 2006 and 2008 elections, I mean just that because I know what the outcomes were. What you should realize is that it is hard for the real winner to claim victory in most African elections. Sata, though he is not my favorite, has the charisma and political clout; ever imagined how he single handedly formed a party and has managed to amass so much support over time? His progress has been steady & everyday he is gaining more and more support. So, logically speaking, what do you make of that? Do you still want to ignore him? He is real!!
An ugly Bemba lady would be a good idea, to prevent provoking hormonal problems for the tonga bull.
If SATA and HH both want to stand as presidential canditdates, that should not mean that the pact should crumble.Work together and field your candidates according to the strength of the party in a particular area. Let the poeple vote for whoever they think is a better canditdate for the presidency.This will surely disadvantage the MMD and finally put them out of power as the electorates will have only two choices to vote for either a PF or UPND. It’s now evident that people no longer want the mmd in power.They want change.The pact should still continue.The tie will be between Sata and HH only for plot one.
Get busy on productive issues that will enhance your lives and the country.Stop burning in vanity on a lifeless PACT between Sata and Hichilema which was born with a death certificate, lives with it and is getting interred on it.There are no mechanisms of survival for this circus you are wastefully calling a PACT. It evolves around the ego and delusion of the two losers. No rules, no structures of operations, transformation and integration for the two to commingle their political confusion.Better build and buy your future productively now than burning in Utopia.
Today at a Press briefing two Luapula Province Opposition Patriotic Front (PF) members announced their defection from their party to the ruling MMD.
The duo Luapula Provincial PF Chairperson Theresa Sunga and her Secretary Maggie Nawela said they defected from PF to MMD because the PF lacked leadership.
No doubt the defection of the two PF members is a clear indication that the opposition PF had no future.
# 110 Kaya…Hahahahaha!! lol !….Nice to have a bit of a laugh on this thread.
I think LT should start crediting where the stories they carry were first reported….Otherwise they are beginning to look like they carry propaganda…This article is cleverly worded and will no doubt catch out those who fast read it. They are trying to point out that there is a problem with the pact but it’s all mere speculation .
The only reason sata got more votes in previous election is because people thought he was more likely to remove MMD from power. HH has gained more ground from the last elections and if sata means well for the country lets allow young and fresh brains. You can all see what tired brains like RB are doing disaster. Sata can even be worse!!
Lord Sith the end of the article clearly states “Times of Zambia’ and also kakoma confirmed the meeting and has not refuted the fact that the second veep position was discussed. he has also not disputed the fact that some exec members had misgvings on the way HH was being sidelined by the Post. this is a proper piece of investigative journalism and there is more to come.
NDOBO WHATEVER YOU CALL YOURSELF………….PLZZZZZZZZ GROW UP,THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BE CHILDISH.iF YOU CAN’T CONTRIBUTE CONSTRUCTIVELY LIKE ANY OTHER PERSON ON HERE,GO BACK TO GRADE 1 AND LEARN HOW TOO.
Thanks # 117 rodgers chongwe for the pointer. Yes they do cite their sources . Silly me.
We shall wait and see what develops then.
You people should know that we are zambians but from different backgrounds. Sata will never win in Western and Southern and even North-western because these people cannot forget his past deeds. Their memories are still fresh of his actions. This man is a devil, in 2008 the post tried to make him popular in these provinces but came elections he was getting 5votes, you can blind yourself if you have never been to these areas to see what satas’ regime under Chiluba did. Chiluba and sata ignored the dying of cattle in western province and part of southern, what happened in Mazabuka recently was satas’ unforgoten past so some of you who are still deceived wake up to real issues on the ground. Sata has lost popularity than gaining.
PF UPND President was quoted in the Post where he is attributing the rise of the fuel price to corruption in Government. It is a shame that newspaper editors can publish these disgraceful accusations. Does Mr Sata understand price elasticity of demand in the oil market? Does Mr Sata’s team understand that OPEC (a cartel of oil producing countries) sometimes decreases the global supply of oil so that the wholesale price of this commodity goes up? Does Mr Sata understand how the derivatives market impacts on the price of fuel on the pump price?
Since the Government does not have adequate storage facilities, they could either buy the commodity on the futures market or alternatively build a super tanker and hoard the commodity on the sea.
Since Sata has popularity, let him go ahead as PF because even Winter Kabimba on ZNBC last week kept refering to pf and not the pact, in short pf guys all the time do not consider the pact in their vocabulary. These UPND guys are the only ones comitted to the pact, then it’s better they pull out. Anyway, us MMD will have it again and no one can stop us. People cannot remove the MMD when there is no good alternative says Mulongoti to which I agree. Sata is the last savage the country can ever have. He is not a leader young ones or rather youths can look up to. Zambia can be a dead nation within a year under Sata. Thank God Sata will never rule zambia.
For UPND sticking to the PACT or pulling out is both disastrous. The error of judgment that HH made is so immense. They are even talking about Dr. Nkandu Luo?? Remember ICASA?
According to HH`s statement form The Post- January, 15th, 2010, “On 6th January, I was on my ranch in Choma. There was no NMC meeting. The vice-president Richard Kapita was in Mwinilunga. UPND spokesperson Charles Kakoma was in Zambezi. Most of the NMC members were out. The facts are wrong. They show you how desperate the MMD are. They are quoting a management meeting which was not there. I am the chairman of those meetings; there has not been a management meeting in January. I am in Lukulu now as we are speaking. Absolutely that is a lie, a fabrication of the MMD,” he said. “Everyone is aware that in UPND we have a portfolio for vice-president gender.
Rupiah Banda`s lies will not work.
STORY WAS CONCTED BY MMD AGENTS. MR KAKOMA HAS JUST CONFIRMED THIS TO DAY. HE ALSO SAYS THE PACT WILL AT ITS OWN PACE AND TIME COME UP WITH RESOLUTIONS TO FORMALISE THE MODUS OPERANDUM OF THE PARTY.SO YOU SHOULD NOT EXCITED VET AND YOUR MOVEMENT FOR MANDRAX DEALERS
Going by most of the comments above it is clear that PF supporters want Sata to lead the pact, if it survives, and UPND supporters want HH to lead the pact. Both camps have been in competition for a long time and would not like to see the other win. It is clear to me that if Sata or HH is adopted the die hard supporters of each camp will support MMD in protest…but the question is how many die hard supporters exist in both camps? This will clearly define MMD fortunes.
Despite repeated denials, I have noticed that some form of tension exists in the Pact. Every time a PF senior official, other than Given Lubinda, makes a press statement they don’t mention the Pact but PF. UPND senior officials from the President downwards are always refering to the pact. What does this reveal? PF also keep on issuing policy statements that are at variance with UPND policies and this is an indication that subconciously they have resolved to contest the next elections as PF. Sata also keeps refering to what he would do when he becomes president as if he has been chosen as the leader for the pact.
A PACT of two self imposed leaders that are not clear on issues, not proven historically risk-adjusted, measured across a broad spectrum of criteria and without a record of holding best practices and building upon them with dignity is nothing but a fallacy to hold. When these norms are missing in party politics, members become disillusioned and susceptible in political competition as we are beginning to see defection starts rocking PF.
Please get it from me the PACT cannot work unless the VEEP runing mate issue is enshrined in the consitution NEVER NEVER NEVER trust the Cobra .If anything North western and western can never vote for RB or MS just the same as Luapula and Northen cannot for HH these so the Battle is whoever get North western and western will again carry the day.For me I have no problem with any of these guys HH,RB,MSC
Iwe mukukulu, who told you HH is looking for a female veep? please reserve some of these rantings for your dreams. if you have nothing sensible to say, zip it. PACT FOR EVER.
All you anti-PACT fools are just jealousy imbeciles. You’re the buffoons who the moment you see a couple getting married, you immediately start ranting about how impossible their marriage will be and how disasterously it will break apart. Give the PACT a break! If you’re MMD why don’t you just try to sell your rotten party instead of yapping nonsensical lies about the PACT. I know it’s so painful for you guys to see your milking cow (MMD) drying up so fast, but understand that in life you leap what you sow! If HH & Sata believe they can work together leave them alone; these are adults with immense life experiences than any of you minions and I would like to believe they know exactly what they are doing. Just shut the F**** up!!
#110 my friend impotebt sata has got no charisma.he has just found fertile ground on illierate and foolish zambians who pretend to forget the type of character he is and buy his cheap talk.how does someone promise you change in 90 days and you buy the crap how silly.and because of his arrogance he has lost it in luapula.those MPs he calls rebels are luapula children and can not be abandoned by their people at the expense of sata so with pact or no pact the man cant win.
Iwe Akapondo, that’s your thinking but not what’s on the ground. You may not know what politics are all about: charisma is the best bait in politics my friend. No matter how smart a person maybe if they have no charisma and eloquence, it becomes very difficult to succeed in politics. According to Zambian standards Sata is very charismatic and eloquent. This is evident from how he captivates his audience and is able to attract huge numbers of people to his rallies; thats the foundation of politics my friend. If you’re talking academic politics, that’s something different. And for your info, Sata is still immensely popular in Luapula.
#133 your thinking either is deranged.you only see facts when it suits you.send sata to mongu and see if he will capture any audience like he does in lusaka or kabovaland c/b.do you remember those computer generated photos which were appearing in the post in the run up to 2008 elections.what were the results in the end.similarly the guy can not go to southern because unlike the poor souls of lusaka and the kabova in c/b who phantorm his language southerners cant but HH will go to any town in southern and attract masses same as RB will go to chipata.those are the dynamics you should be talking about and not that pretency.
Pact yaba! You guys tell me that you did not see the impracticability of this charade and the deadend from day one? What kind of brains do you have, chicken?