Second Republican President Fredrick Chiluba today held a press conference at his residence in Kabulonga. Below is the speech in full
PRESS STATEMENT ON MY VISIT TO THE COPPERBELT FROM 18TH TO 31ST JANUARY 2010.
I have been rather startled or shall I say petrified by the reactions to my recent visit to the Copperbelt by some people. I cannot understand the sense or the thinking behind their vehement opposition to my visit to the Copperbelt which has been my home for many years as a young man, a worker, a trade unionist and a father until I became president in 1991.
Does it really matter whether I go there for a funeral or just to meet with anyone I want to visit? Why does it become necessary for them to know where I go and who I meet? I am a free man and citizen and one of the principle architects of our modern democracy.
My agitation and fight for democracy goes back to the 1970s when as a trade union leader I did not conceal my distaste for the dictatorial politics of the one party state. As chairman general of the ZCTU, I made a public statement in May 1989 calling for the abolition of one party politics and the introduction of plural politics and democracy. That was at the height of the one party state when even the thought of opening one’s mouth to comment on political matters was considered treasonable.
But I boldly and bravely stood up and challenged the status quo and urged Zambians to engage in contemporary political thought in line with events in many parts of the world which were fighting against dictatorship. It is worth noting that at that time in 1989 both Mr. Sata and his nephew, secretary general of PF Wynter Kabimba were enjoying the fruits of the one party state as governor and town clerk respectively without a thought for the future.
But even long before then, Timothy Walamba, late Chitalu Sampa, Newstead Zimba and I were detained not for criminal offences but for our opposition, to the one party state. The environment was not as friendly then as it looks now. People were frightened and lived in fear. But that was the time I stood up.
How in light of that information, does Mr. Sata or Mr. Kabimba expect to scare me now in this day and age with their threats? How do they expect me to cower in these circumstances? That is sheer wishful thinking. No amount of thuggery or political intimidation can ever succeed to trample down or rob me of my hard worn freedoms and liberties; No. No. No. These are my inalienable rights and anybody dreaming of tampering with them would be committing too ineffable a crime to contemplate.
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I am aware though that some people have been addicted to politics of dictatorship and intolerance and they find it almost impossible to change and acclimatize to the new order of democracy. It is hard for them to accept that people are free to decide to accept them or reject them and their ideas. They are simply politically and democratically ineducable. But somehow they are sensing that their relevance is wearing thin as people no longer accept their conduct. They are thus behaving like defeated soldiers on the retreat violently destroying anything in their path.
Violence, intimidation and thuggery are part of their political culture and such people not only seek to tyrannize the country at large but keep their own unregistered members in perennial fear. At every opportunity or election, they get inebriated with the distant smell of political power and begin to frighten people. One shudders to think what would happen if by any stretch of imagination such people crawled even further and got near the seat of power? God forbid! I can’t imagine the mayhem and sheer anarchy.
But they must be reminded that Zambia divested itself of that dark political cloak and wore a transparent material in 1991. They must be told that 1991 was a turning point, an epoch in our political history which forever buried dictatorship and tyranny. 1991 was the death and burial of the politics of violence and the birth of modern democracy represented by political pluralism and free speech.
There can be no going back because democracy is here to stay. Restored is our freedom of conscience or the right to think reason and disseminate one’s ideas without interference. I consider freedom of conscience as the mother of other rights and liberties of man. For one can only speak, associate and assemble or worship freely and form parties when they are not interfered with. It is in essence the foundation of all other freedoms.
It is our bounden duty as free citizens of Zambia to defend, protect and promote our nascent democracy and strengthen its tenets and practices. It is our duty to fight and reject protagonists of violence and vandalism bent on turning the clock back. We must not allow leaders of political vandals to come back on the political scene.
COPPERBELT VISIT
That said, I want to state that yes I went to the Copperbelt in broad day light and I will go back there and elsewhere again and again as and when need arises. I do not need permission from opposition parties or media to travel or do what I want done. This is not therefore an exculpatory statement but one of affirmation that I exercised and enjoyed my right to move freely. I am not seeking political office because I already have one. I am the holder of MMD membership card No 0002 and Comrade V. J is No 0003.
The almighty God ordained that I, Frederick Jacob Titus Chiluba be the 2nd president of the republic of Zambia and it was so. That is already in the annals of Zambia and world political history. No one can erase that. I am not fighting anybody but simply doing that which is not unlawful to the country or harmful to our people.
Ex-miners invited me to interact with them because they know me having worked with them well during my tenure of office. They and their good families were beneficiaries of my government empowerment policy whose legacy still stands out bearing testimony to the era of political and socio economic emancipation. It is a legacy no amount of cheap political and media propaganda can destroy or erase, because any legacy must comprise both tangible and practical landmarks.
So, miners invited me because they and their families still live in homes bought under the empowerment policy when I was president. They expressed confidence that I could help them convey their problems and plight to president Rupiah Banda. I obliged and went. I addressed meetings in Chingola, Mufulira, Kalulushi, Kitwe and Luanshya. I have already presented a report to his Excellency for his perusal and eventual action on all my meetings with ex-miners.
But for purposes of this press meeting I want to highlight only the following points of interest miners raised and asked me to convey to the president and tell the general public because of their character and urgency.
1. Procrastination in issuing title deeds.
Ex-miners are petitioning his Excellency the president to instruct councils and the ministry of lands to expedite the issue of title deeds to people who bought houses under the empowerment policy. They argue that this procrastination is a deliberate political ploy by P. F to create areas of dissent in ex-miners against the government of president Banda whom they falsely accuse of neglecting the poor. This procrastination has robbed house owners of any opportunity to borrow money from established financial institutions due to lack of collateral which is held in the frozen title deeds.
This is a matter they consider rather urgent.
2.Inordinate increases in land rates.
P. F run councils have turned land rates into rentals which they have used to threaten continued ownership of houses bought under the empowerment policy.
There are stories on the Copperbelt of house owners whose furniture was confiscated by councils for failure to pay rates. I am not too sure if the rateable values are being competently assessed by expert district valuers because for a house which may have been bought for such little amounts as K10,000, K15,000 or K20,000 to be suddenly valued at K60,000,000 for purpose of rates is criminal and totally unacceptable.
To impose such excessive land rates on households the majority of whom do not earn regular incomes from any formal employment is one way of saying to them ‘get out of those houses, you do not deserve to own them’. It is impolitic. Sadly many in this category are widows and widowers with a lot of dependants who attend school. P. F run councils must be held fully responsible for the plight of the people.
MR. SATA’S POST 2006 ELECTIONS PRONOUNCEMENT.
It would be politically naive and dangerous for the nation to forget the strong 2006 post election policy statement, the P. F leader Mr. Michael Sate made when he said; ‘Mr. Mwanawasa will run state house but I will run the country through the councils. We must never forget that because people are now paying a high price for electing P. F councillors and MPs who have followed their leader’s policy statement to the letter and caused all the misery.
THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE
The road infrastructure even in councils which were doing quite well only a decade ago has collapsed. Roads have become a hindrance to Development. There is no excuse whatsoever for PF councillors to turn local authorities into chambers of conspiracies to wage political war against central government. P. F councillors have forgotten the role of local government in developing our country and have instead concentrated on criticizing the president and MMD government.
THE CONSTITUENCY DEVELOPMENT FUND
Over the years as a way to ensure increased local government participation in projects implementation, government introduced and has increased constituency development fund from K30 million to about K600 million per constituency per budget year. This is a considerable amount of money and for district councils with three or more constituencies that brings in an extra amount of close to K2 billion.
Where is this money? What is it used for? His Excellency president Banda was right in calling for auditing of councils especially those with huge budgets such as in Lusaka, Ndola, Kitwe and all over the Copperbelt.
RENTALS ON COUNCILS HOUSES
Rentals imposed on houses owned by PF run councils are simply outrageous. PF run councils have already proved to be too callous to be expected to do anything for people. They are simply incapable of running councils. They are not focussed. They know how to charge excessive rentals on houses which they do not maintain.
PF councillors take turns with their MPs to criticize the president or government while doing more damage to the lives of the people, they purport to represent and care for. They have made it impossible for those who did not complete early paying for council houses bought under the empowerment policy to do so because the purchase prices demanded now are too high as they are commensurate with increased rentals which are highly disproportionate to ordinary Zambians income. Will it be in the interest of any sensible politician or leader for people to lose their houses?
The entire exercise is an affront to empowerment. PF are clearly reversing the empowerment policy. Zambians are being robbed of one of the rare moments they had to bridge, the gap between the rich and poor. The 2006 tripartite election which they thought would increase the tempo of socio-economic development actually brought them into throngs of political exploiters. Thank God they now know them. Under those circumstances, how can a free citizen of my status fear to point out such anomalies just because someone will say that I am politicking?
What are my education and experience for if not for helping our people? Yes, I will talk. Although there are no hard and fast rules about the role of a retired president it is common knowledge and practices that on retirement the president is not disconnected from the incumbent. He in fact essentially becomes a goodwill ambassador whom the president can send on any assignment or mission. He is not in opposition to government unless he is forced into it.
Examples,
- Jimmy Carter, conflict resolution.
- Bill Clinton. Freeing American journalists in North Korea.
- In Africa president Mandela at 2010 world cup and At public rallies with ANC presidential candidates.
I am available to render my free services to the president, our party and government and above all to the people of Zambia.
MY DETRACTORS AND ATTACKERS
It seems for most part that those who are out to oppose everything I say and do have lost their sense of balance. Instead of feeling happy that I am helping our people to convey to government their requests and petitions for leaders to hear and know what our people are in need of, they attack me and threaten me. These people always attack rather relentlessly hoping to silence me. They even talk about my person and my marriage! I will today try to respond to some of their accusations after some long silence which is my usual way of managing such people.
a)MR. SATA
Mr. Sata has been on rampage trying to discredit me pouring out a lot of insults against me. a)He has kept saying that I stole public funds, but I have a tape in which he declared in 2006 that I did not steal and that those were false allegations by late president Mwanawasa. I will not too far from now play the tape for people to hear. Mr. Sata always pontificates about democracy yet grows cold feet to hold elections. He always fought against our independence.
Let me ask Mr. Sata to tell the country the truth. Were you a police constable in the colonial government which was oppressing us or a freedom fighter? Were you imprisoned for your participation in the fight for independence? Or can you say why you were jailed and dismissed from the police force?
Remember I was in office for ten years as president and I had records on every one of my ministers. As the appointing authority of the prisons and police services commission I came to know the truth about you Mr. Sata. I challenge you to tell the people you want to lead the truth about your background. Were you a colonial police constable or a freedom fighter? Did you resign from the colonial police force or you were dismissed? And for what reason were you dismissed?
Let the Zambian people know the truth about you so that they are not in any doubt about the leader of PF.
b)MR SATA A MORALIST OR POLYGAMIST?
In the post newspaper of 19/09/2009 Mr. Sata questioned my sincerity as a born again Christian condemning my marriage to my wife Regina calling it a sham and that in fact I just robbed Mr. Mwanza of his wife. But my marriage to Regina was consummated in accordance with the law and custom. It was conducted above board fulfilling all the requirements by first sending elders from my side to her people who agreed together to allow us to marry as she was a divorcee already. This was almost two years after my divorce.
So our marriage was and still is a very clean affair. But you Mr. Sata do you have one wife or you are polygamous? Who is Petronella Mpundu, a biological sister to Bishop Mpundu of the Catholic Church? Do you have any relationship with her? Are her two children Mukupa and Chilufya your children? Are you the biological father of Mukupa and Chilufya?
Did you by any chance consummate your marriage with her in a Bemba customary arrangement known as ichombela ng’anda or not?
Since you are a man of sound morals tell us who this young woman who was working for the ministry of finance in Lusaka but now working at the Bank of Zambia in Ndola is to you? Tell us if you are not the father of her two children.
Finally, with this murky picture about your single or polygamous life why does the Catholic Church allow you to take part in the Eucharist? Is it an oversight or you have not disclosed your true marital status even to a church you seem to follow rather obediently and religiously?
I will however reserve my other comments about acts of abuse of office which are documented. What about the illegal and irregular transfer of ministerial accounts? I do not want to be compelled to talk about an innocent African from a friendly country you wanted me to deport for personal reasons claiming or alleging that the man was a threat to national security!
As for party leadership, those who were members of the NEC of our party when you were national secretary will remember how I saved you as they wanted to pass a vote of no confidence in you having failed to write minutes of NEC several times as the language you used was more Taiwanese than English. All minutes sounded more Taiwanese than the official language of English putting punctuations such as comma and full stop only where you stopped to breathe.
2)MR. HAKAINDE HICHILEMA
As for my neighbour Hakainde Hichilema I have my one big concern about him because he chose to conceal the truth when it mattered most, to save my name. I have always believed that it is a character and mark of true leadership to rise to the occasion and reject injustice responsibility when others quiver with fear.
On 11th July 2002 when late president Levy Mwanawasa addressed a special session of parliament and made serious but false allegations against me he mentioned that I was responsible for the loss of US$ 35 million paid by RAMCOZ for their purchase of Luanshya division. He also alleged that I stole US$12million paid in the same transaction.
But even when this statement was being made president Mwanawasa had been made aware by the ministries of finance and mines that those two huge amounts of money were received by appropriate authorities. Read Mr. Mwanawasa’s speech to parliament on page 4-5 11/07/2002.
The US$ 35million was duly received by ZCCM while the US$ 12 million was received by Grant Thornton who appointed receivers for RAMCOZ and Mr. Hichilema was fully aware because he was working for them. Sadly he could not tell the country and the world that his firm were the receivers who acknowledged receipt of the said amount but instead even opted to insult me publicly calling me a thief.
Why would a leader choose to keep quiet when he was both aware and accountable for the money in question? How could I be sure if he became president that he would be impartial and fair to all including me? Can he tell the country now that he knew about the matter?
Both leaders of the pact do not impress me as serious contenders for the highest political office in the land. My unqualified support for president Rupiah Banda is based on my personal judgement and assessment of the man. I am impressed that he is capable of re-uniting our nation, bring development to all parts of Zambia, give every Zambian equal opportunity and of course promote equality of treatment.
I am convinced that given a fresh mandate of his own as our MMD party president and president of the republic, president Banda will bring sanity to our nation. We are also happy that God gave him great wisdom to appoint Hon. George Kunda his vice president.
Hon. George Kunda is loyal, very loyal to the president, a decent professional who is efficient articulate and capable of providing sound support to our president. Nobody in Luapula would ask for more. We are satisfied.
OUR PARTY
We are all raising our voices about our party because we want to enhance our chances of soundly winning elections in 2011. Traditionally the MMD from its very inceptions has been a mass party with open doors to all and that is why we have been winning soundly.
We must not allow our party to become a closed shop because we cannot afford in this competitive political arena to have a closed shop. Our president of the party and of the republic rightly said that at Ndola Airport recently politics is a game of numbers and indeed democratic politics especially require even greater numbers.
Indeed the more numbers of people we have, the greater the chances of winning elections. In this regard the best example is the province of Lusaka where our party led by the young vibrant Chairman William Banda and recruited a lot of members some of whom may form part of future party leadership and Luapula province has gone in the same way as Lusaka attracting a lot of people in the party and the political landscape in both Lusaka and Luapula has changed. Our duty is replicate this in every province so that the party can be 100% sure of victory we need to rekindle the 1991 party spirit to ensure that our party president is re-elected both as president of the party and president of the republic of Zambia.
Now is the time the re-election of his Excellency Rupiah B. Banda as president of the party and the republic. Let us go out and look for more votes, because our party is popular and is sure of winning the 2011 elections. Finally lets us look for more votes, lets us not look for personal benefits.
DR. F.J.T. CHILUBA –M.Phil
SECOND PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF ZAMBIA
sagaciously articulate and detailed.Thumbs up FJT as a thousand evils fall at your right hand sight!
Politics is about numbers and rate of voter conversion than insults in the tabloids or inactional micro blogging only.Its interesting to read the illusion of the so-called PACT victory inn the absence of any action on the ground.MMD and President Banda are busy building country wide webs of winning relations in a PACT with Zambians while two chronicle losers are digressing with the mechanism of marriage of convenience to nowhere.If not too busy rehearsing insults at the tabloid for a daily headline, they are placing orders for independent Campaign trails.
The sad reality for the PACT is that Zambia is bigger than a tabloid editorial they are busy fighting for or Rajan Mathani they are worshipping.There are over a total of 72 districts, more than 100 Chiefdoms,150 constituencies and 9 provinces to canvass ruling votes from within few months yet still busy rehearsing insults. Like many other regions they believes they are defacto parties, Luapula is gone. Mmembe before RB visted the province fooled then that he would be stoned and see no one in receiption.But RB was innudated with massive crowds in solidarity wherever he turned to and no stone moved.The legion of deluded failures and hate mongers are confused.
In Lusaka, the MMD provincial Chairman William Banda and the Head of state President Banda are seasoned Lusaka Grassroot political magnets.They are best informed of the political strata and demographics totally in their favour. They know better where fortunes and needs of the people are than cheap politics of insults and hatred.
While Sata only knows Kawata and Hichilema a little connected in Chawama’s John Howard, Kuomboka and John Lang due to demographics, William Banda is better grounded in the political terrains of Matero, Chunga, Balastone, Ngwerere, 6 miles, Kabanana, Chazanga, Mandevu, Chaisa, Chipata compound, Ng’ombe, Kalulu, Mazyopa, Mutendere, Bauleni, Misisi, and Garden compound.Here we go OVER 260 members of the opposition Patriotic Front (PF) and United Party for National Development(UPND) yesterday defected to the ruling Movement for Multi-Party Democracy (MMD) in Lusaka’s Matero constituency.Its not stunning to see these flood of mass defections.
I shudder to ponder on the quagmire of Sata’s reckless lies. PF is in big trouble on all fronts internal and external from disillusioned cadres and members promised miraclous prosperity of jobs,mansions, cars, gradiouse international scholarships and instant fat bank accounts with invested portfolios in all foreign corporations as long as you are their cadre that can insult RB. PF is in trouble with foreign mercenary debtors, and embattled Rajan Mathani to the political paradymn shifts whom Given Lubinda and Sata have turned into spokespersons for.
the catholics got hit hard. damn. eucharist will never be the same for sata.
Ok, now Mr FJT Chiluba, please advise William Banda to please stop illegal allocation of land in Lusaka (e.g. Kalikiliki/Kalale) area to MMD cadres. Please follow the law and do not give cadres land already on title and belonging to investors. Open up more land to allocate to cadres and other landless people.
Illegal land allocation only makes MMD unpopular among Lusaka voters.
A country and political structure cannot be built on incorrigible hatred evidently manifesting from the heart of the so called fragile PACT. Always hatred and lies begets hatred.Sata and his step son ichilema have proved themselves as reckless paragons of incorrigible hatred, ego, lies, unpatriotism, Narcisstic tendencies, inimical to our unitary state, with an anti democratic inclination of rule by decree of the three arms of democratic Government system.
Well well, looks like FTJ has just dropped a nuclear bomb on the Zambian political scene. Interesting read. Since Sata claims to have more Data on FTJ, I guess we expect bombs everywhere this week. This is getting interesting. This could well be MMD’s campaign theme for 2011 launched by FTJ. This message if repeated over and over it would sell to the grass root people who happen to the the majority of voters. As an intellectual, I can see through all this sharade, but we are only few and again I would rather have RB , than SATA or HH. If the PACT drop these two, they will get my vote. I have great reservation for SATA and HH. And if what FTJ is saying is true about HH, then HH is a snake and this confirms my suspicion about him.
Very petty from the ex-president. Yet you people pay for his salary.
A political entity that has forefeited its spirit and call to rule through laws but hatred of a tabloid is not worthy of our institutions of power. A PACT that dances to the whims of an embattled gutter journalism misled tabloid is not worthy of the sacred opportunity to preside over a self respected and democratic people of Zambia. These are narcisstic anarchists with foreign allegiance than to the flag, constitution and people of Zambia.
Politics In Zambia- we need to hear how you guys are going to build our country- food, Hospitals, Jobs, Roads, not talking about girls friends, how many kids you got from who and how” We are just tired of these guys-fellow Zambians what do you think about Chiluba’s press comference? Where are we going? Do we need to keep attacking each other, and not telling us what and how them guys plan to end poverty and corruption?
The 2011 campaign trail will be localized and tailored on the terms of the native languages that appeal on issues.It will not be standardized as it where. Though highly expensive, but the solidarity of democracy and sustainable peace will spiritedly sustain the cost to the finish line.
I doubt whether some people here are truly learned or may be it`s a case of being an African. Imagine Tony Blair attacking Cameron like that! That would be the end of Labour. The speech was rubbish, childish and with due respect to the midget, lacking intellectual back up. But then again Zambia is in Africa! lol!
i am not voting mmd. nor for the pact. they are all *****s. i might as well vote for ngondo or ben mwila.
george mpombo is a quak and ftj just tuk a kunya/dump on sata. it will take 3 weeks of bad mmembe reporting and viewing panties in the weekend post to forget that awful press conference.
mmembe u shall burn in hell. mpombo will marry sata and rb will go back to eating mangoes.
this is zambia. with my many cars and title deeds, i will have a great life. drink at arcades, screw your sisters and get 8million a month. im not suffering, are you? bless you all
Govt initiates developmental projects in Luapula
President Banda’s Government has adopted education as catalyst for economic development, which has prompted Government to embark on the construction of secondary high schools in all the nine provinces of the country.
President Banda was in Luapula Province recently where he inspected developmental projects. JERRY MUNTALI and INNOCENT DAKA report.
AN educated population is the cornerstone of any
country’s development.
This is the reason why Government through the leadership of President Banda has placed the education sector on top of its developmental agenda.
The President is alive to the fact that Zambia cannot achieve meaningful development without an educated citizenry.
Government has therefore embarked on infrastructure development in all parts of the country, including those that are perceived to be under the control of opposition political parties.
One such province is Luapula, where the ruling MMD closely battled it out with the Patriotic Front (PF) in the 2006 tripartite elections and 2008 presidential elections.
President Banda’s administration has demonstrated the desire to unite the nation by ensuring that all parts of the country have an equal share of national resources.
Government’s allocation of K200 billion to infrastructure development in Luapula Province is testimony to this.
Minister of Education Dora Siliya who was part of a presidential entourage to Luapula, said Government will spend K200 billion on the construction of schools in the province.
Ms Siliya said six high schools have so far been constructed in the province.
One of them is Lukwesa High School, the first technical school in Mwense district. The school which was built at a cost of K23 billion, has state-of-the-art learning facilities such as computer and chemical laboratories.
President Banda visited the school and encouraged pupils to concentrate
on their studies for them to have a brighter future.
After a conducted tour of Lukwesa High School, President Banda addressed the pupils who were visibly cheered by his visit to their school.
He said educated people are the essential material required for transformation of the country. Mr Banda said it would be difficult for the country to develop without educated citizens.
“My Government under my leadership, my colleagues and all ministers we have a dream to transform this country and we have decided that the dream must start with education .You cannot transform anything if the raw material for transformation, meaning you the children, are not educated,” he said.
The midget had the audacity to attack local councils for not maintaining the roads! How stup id can one be! Someone give me a district/city in Zambia which has nice roads? The st u pi d villagers who got duped into voting for MMD are the worst hit when it comes to roads.
“I was a pupil like you and I came from a poor family. My Mother Sara Zulu did not even enter a classroom and my father Bwezani Banda, from whom I got my middle name, just went up to standard three. But today I am President of this country. “
Mr Banda said his parents were illiterate but he managed to get educated because he listened to teachers and was disciplined despite pressure from his peers to go astray.
President Banda said he would like to see a kind of nation where anyone could maximise their potential in any field of their specialisation.
Senior Citizen, I see you are having a field day here, huh. ..and excited like a kid has has just been left in a toy store to pich whatever and however many toys he wants. Anyway, let me read this trash from your second boss and will offer a rebuttal if i find time on my hands.
He said any person can rise to their best potential and become teachers, lawyers, doctors or even rise to be a president of the country.
President Banda said he is 73 years old and his youth days were preoccupied with liberating the country from colonial rule.
“Our generation as young people of this country was to liberate Zambia. We fought. All the youth of Zambia from Luapula, Northern and Southern province, Eastern and Central provinces. All the young people rebelled against colonialism in order to liberate the country,” he said.
Mr Banda said the task of the young generation now is to develop the nation, and this can only happen if the youth are properly educated.
In Samfya, President Banda told school children to listen to their parents and teachers, and concentrate on their studies, while at the same time listen to leaders carefully, but abhor people who were encouraging them to disobey elders.
Apart from meeting the Ngumbo, Kabende and Unga chiefs in Samfya, President Banda also toured a district hospital.
Nabalecula ififine ba kambwanga. For those outside the country don`t send money to these fo ols who vote for MMD. They are happy. One should have only listened to the id iots who were singing in the background during the midget`s press conference.
“It is satisfying that money put aside is reaching the ground for implementation of projects,” he said of the hospital that government is building at a cost of K3.9 billion.
In Mansa, the President met the Ushi chiefs, toured Mansa general hospital where he donated to parents newly born quadruplets before flying to Mwense district.
A visit to Mwense was not on the President’s itinerary. Mwense District Commissioner Benjamin Chama said: “I was just informed at 06.00 hours today that the President was coming here.”
Despite the belated decision to get there, news of the President visiting the district travelled quickly and a huge crowd mobbed the Head of State like elsewhere when he touched down.
Speaking when he received the President at Mansa Airport, MMD provincial chairperson Crispine Musosha said the MMD was regaining its popularity in Luapula because of the many developmental projects going on in the area.
“Your excellency, I want to inform you that the MMD is gaining ground after loss of 10 parliamentary seats in the last elections,” Mr Musosha said, adding that “the shift in the paradigm is due to the good development policies of your government and the party”.
He said the construction of three hospitals at Samfya, Chienge and upgrading of maternity wards at Katanshya and Mantumbusa health centres among others showed how government values the lives of the people in the province.
Government is building three district hospitals in Samfya, Chienge and Milenge, with each project costing about K3.9 billion.
Addressing the crowd, President Banda said: “It is gratifying to be received by such a warm welcome and I feel humbled by you people for the trust you gave me to look after the affairs of the country”.
The President stated that he was in Luapula Province to start his intended programme to go deep into areas, away from Lusaka, to see the projects financed by government.
Time for the pact to inute and kick these mugs out. If the past elections are anything to go by, PF/UPND will only be fools not to unite. Keep together. It doesn`t matter who is president for God`s sake. Just go ahead and do it like they did to UNIP!
“I am here for the next three days, I will try my best to go as deep inside as possible in this province so that the people have a chance to see me and hear me and to see my colleagues – the ministers who are working very hard to provide the necessary services to them.
“Together with my colleagues the ministers, we have come to see whether the projects that we financed have actually started and how far they have gone,” President Banda said.
“We will continue to do this at every stage in every province of our country from now onwards until the end of the year.”
He also seized the moment to prove that rather than party politics, his reason of going around the country and meeting the people was to assure them that government was committed to deliver on its campaign promises of 2008.
As a national leader, he stated that his business is to promote unity, reconciliation and respect for the people he leads, including all former presidents.
“I am not going to stoop so low to start insulting those who insult me in newspapers,” he said as the crowd responded with cheers.
quote: 1 st paragraph “…a father until I became president in 1991”. So mudala relinquished parenthood when he got ku State House. Money yalowa alaba na family.
Bamudala ba Senior Citizen, don’t you think the name senior citizen is having some effect on you?
By the way why do those of you in Zambia have to carry on paying this midget who is actively participating in politics?
The people of Luapula expressed gratitude towards Government’s decision of building
more schools in the province.
Lackson Musonda, a peasant farmer, said the people of Luapula were more interested in the development of the province than in political rhetoric.
He said the construction of the Lukwesa Secondary High School will give the children of Mwense access to quality education.
He noted that in the past children of Mwense had to travel long distances to access education facilities. Not any more.
Rupiah delivering on the promise with vigour
IT IS now clear that President Banda means well for this country. Even some sections of the Zambian society who do not see anything good in him are beginning to shudder as he relentlessly continues to pursue his development agenda.
He is moving with vigour from one part of the country to another to see for himself the developments that his government is delivering to the people.
Unfortunately, some opposition political parties and some civil society organisations do not see anything good in President Banda and his government.
All they have done is to orchestrate a slanderous campaign based on political innuendos so as to portray a gloomy picture that he has failed to perform to the expectations of Zambians.
However, President Banda has done well under the current economic and political situation. The economy has stabilised and now the country is poised for steady growth this year and beyond.
Even our economic development partners – the investors – know that this country has the leadership that continues to create opportunities for investment to flourish and prosper.
That is the more reason why they continue to pour in millions of dollars in various sectors of our economy to do business because they know that they will reap huge profits and at the same time create employment for the unemployed Zambians.
This investment is contributing significantly to our national treasury in terms of taxes. This means that we will have more money to pay for education, health, agriculture,…
Ba Chiluba has spoken,now am waiting for Ba Sata na ba Hichilema to defend themselves.Hey! Zambian leaders have ama issues mwee.Oh! Lord who is going to deliver our beautiful land of Zambia from these politician who do not think of Zambias at large? Sometimes I wish I was born during the time Jesus visited the earth mwee.:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j
however turned into another political pandora’s box by the enemies of goodwill.
Instead of following closely what the President was doing in the province, they decided to politicise his visit because that is what they are good at. We heard them saying that when President Banda had a meeting with Mwata Kazembe of the Lunda people, he offered to give the vice-presidency to Luapula Province if he wins the 2011 elections.
This matter, however, was not discussed and was not even on the agenda of that meeting. The Mwata himself has come out in the open to categorically state that never was such an issue discussed.
This is therefore just another political game these critics play.
On President Banda’s earlier visit to the Western Province the same issue was everyday food for the…
The role our traditional leaders play in this country can never be overstated. Our traditional rulers are agents of development because they preside over the affairs of people in their chiefdoms.
You check once again on your national registration card, you will notice that there’s a name of the village and the chief you come from even if you have never been there.
So when the President has meetings with these traditional rulers, it is meant for him to hear the development projects and programmes that need to be undertaken so that ultimately the suffering of the people is eased.
It is also one way of promoting unity in the country between political and traditional leaders because you can’t talk or indeed develop when people are divided and fragmented.
In his inaugural…
# 32 Mwata, “Government is building three district hospitals in Samfya, Chienge and Milenge, with each project costing about K3.9 billion”.
Three hospitals using K3.9 billion? Tumbusu balekula? That is $780,000. Some houses in Zambia cost more than that. Now three hospitals using that money. Dream on. What happened to the mobile hospitals you bought?
In his inaugural speech at Parliament buildings in 2008, President Banda promised that he was going to be President of all Zambians and that he was going to promote peace in the nation. That is exactly what he is doing today.
He has vigorously continued to pursue peace as a tool to achieving national unity and development even when he is receiving insults from opponents.
But that is the price he has to pay. That is the price of leadership. He continues to be a brave captain of the Zambian ship even as it passes over very heavy political and economic storms and winds.
It is worth acknowledging that our men and women in uniform work under very challenging conditions. Accommodation has been one of the problems that the security personnel face.
A few days ago in Ndola, President Banda commissioned 280 housing units for the Zambia Police. This is a very good motivation for the police to provide security for all.
The construction of police houses is taking place in other parts of the country as well. That is what we want to see in the nation. These are the issues we want our opposition leaders to be talking about.
I have on several times heard people complaining about why they voted for certain political parties that exist mainly only along the line of rail. In 2011 there will be big surprises on how people are going to vote especially along the line of rail.
President Rupiah Banda is delivering on the promise that he made to the people of Zambia by being there for them always when on tour of duty. He is delivering on the…
He is delivering on the promise of continuity with change but with passion, humility, fairness, justice and integrity.
President Banda is a leader that needs all the support of all well meaning Zambians in order for him to propel this nation to a level like that of South Korea where we should have been 20 years ago.
The President understands that only hard work, good policies, and above all, love of the country will drive him to leave Zambia a proud nation.
The campaign against President Banda and government based on innuendos cannot be sustained. Such people can do all sorts of things to derail government from delivering services to its people, but the resolve of RB to pursue economic prosperity for Zambia will not be shaken.
His resolve to see poverty reduced will not…
I just read this on Zamnet: MINISTER OF Tourism and Natural Resources Catherine Namugala has dedicated her African Tourism Minister of the Year Award to President Banda.
Could it be due to Banda’s in and out of the country and the road to the game park he is building? Did she mean to insult him or she really meant to praise him for being the defancto Minister of Tourism who took the term tourism to literal sense of the word?
#44 Kalos. Couldn`t have put it better myself. A proper hospital at the moment should cost in excess of £500 million. But there you go! You have it! A hospital costing less than a million dollars.
Kalos2020 ,
No wonder the other day you were crying over your wasted years spent on insulting Mwanawasa. What is wrong with pumping a ZK 3.9 billion on each district Hospital? Have ever build any infrustracture in urban or rural areas in your life? Have you ever done job costing? Do really believe ZK 3.9 billion cannot jumpstart a big district hospital each in rural Zambia? No wonder you are still struggling in the USA but daily insulting.
Good Evening
Having already read some excerpts of this speech pasted by King Solomon on the Finance Bank thread, I still marvel at the remarkable eloquence and emphatic energy of persuasion with which the former president has defended his cause. At least judging by the theoretical context alone, this is a well articulated and thoughtfully presented speech.
Unite Zambians and vote for PF/UPND or keep going backwards. It was 27 years with the first version of UNIP, now it`s 19 years with the second version. The midget was always in SA with umutima, now nakapola nokupola. Mukafwa kunsala bafigili.
The best HH and Sata can do is ignore the midget and get down to work. I wouldn`t respond to him if I were them.
It is interesting to read many of the bias and partial comments above. That is the power of speech -its potential to brain wash masses from their objectivity in looking at issues. All of a sudden many of you bloggers are jumping in support of MMD because of the nice words Chiluba had used. Watch his language because it has the potential to conceal a lot of bad things which he did during his term of office.
In as much as Sata and HH have their weaknesses, I refuse to belive that Chiluba, Banda or let alone MMD have not made grave scandals to this nations. It is just that their misdeeds are at the moment concealed. Wait until another governmant comes into power! No matter how long it may take- similar issues will be un earthed. So there is nothing about Chiluba’s speech!
Well articulated? That speech was full of puff! If a former leader said such nonsense in a developed country, they would be discrediting their party. Sometimes you sit down and say MMD are clever. They have even managed to convience people who claim to be learned. The speech was petty and hopeless. Attack individuals and then what? Yeah it buys a vote in Africa.
Ala ka Chiluba you have done it. You saved us once from evil Sata in 2001 and once again you have saved Zambia from the evil of a man who could sell his own people to the colonialist. Ala champapusha, ukweba atti there can still be a normal person who finds it normal to continue to follow ba yama ba Sata. People you have been warned, tekwesha ukibika vote pali Sata, if you hate RB, you better off boycotting the election. Ba catholica landeni tumfwe pali ubuchende bwa ba Sata.
The speech was typical of an African kiss a s s I am afraid. The man tried but failed to come out like a saint. If you claim to be learned and do not see the desperation in the midget`s speech then you are a mug. The man will do anything to justify his himself and the truth will only come out when MMD lose. Lets wait and see.
mwaelasha pf cadres. you thought chiluba would remain silent forever. now lets hear your responses. HH has to be careful or he will also go inside the jail. so he is the one who got the 12 million hey!!! Post silent on mahtani and also on katumbi. mutembo tell us why did you let katumbi go???
Chiluba (political and economic criminal) is the equivalent of Dick Chenney (war criminal) in terms of unsubstantiated yappings.
He says he saved Sata from NEC when members wanted to pass a vote of no confidence. Good one. If I was a learned Zambian I would be asking why and how! Yet an African is happy. The midget didn`t get into details of why he did what he did to save Sata and why he did. Wake up you i di ots! This is a man who held the highest office in your country. Take him to task! Let him explain to the nation.
I will await Sata and HH rebuttals.
I know Sata will now reveal how FTJ smuggled marijuana into State House and how he womanised as a republican President….. let us wait and see as more episodes unfolds.
HH was just working for them grant Thornton so how could he have stolen the money Chiluba you little thief UPND/PF TUYABUKA NEXT YEAR.
# 50, If studying (preparing for PhD) and owning a house in California means struggling to you. Then I don’t know what success means. So, now let us talk about the 3 hospitals you are building in Samfya and whatever place. Where are they? Foundation level or Roof level? How many beds again? Some more death traps like UTH? Man, you are campaigning for to wrong crowd. Probably you need to be in Zambia yourself were such statements are not scrutinized before casting votes. For sure I did not mean the line of rail, I meant Kaputa or Vubwi. They will buy your lines. So, stop wasting your time and space on this blog ranting about you yourself knows are lies. Next time you look in the mirror, tell that image you will see there to stop lying. Sunday is worship day, not a day to go about lying.
This is the best and most effectual sagaciously articulated response to the hatred crusade of thuggery Sata.Its a signature speech with an infectious value beyond the domain of sober Zambians but PF thugs too.It delivers a judgement on the cause to be a PF cadre blindly.
How can this midget with his Napoleonic syndrome tell bigger people like HH and SATA that mwachepa sana? Who is small? FTJ or HH? Alabane ibange libi. Look at it has done to FTJ. He still thinks he is bigger than Vera or Regina. This man to stand on the dinning table to kiss his wife, but today he is telling bigger people that MWACHEPA SANA.
So there nothing SPECICL about Chiluba’s speech. If anything, the man is being USED by RB to discredit Sata and HH. Chiluba knows well that as long as RB remains in power, he will not be persecuted for stealing public funds- this is the main point!
I look forward to a time when politicians will spare us from mediocre arguments. What Zambians need to hear now are various manifestos so that they can make informed decision on who to vote for in 2011.
Therefore, my advice to Chiluba on being handpicked as MMD Campaign Ambassador, is to clearly articulate MMD’s development agenda by explaining HOW it will address issues poverty and unemployment. Many poor Zambians have been cheated for too long! We are tired of hearing same old stories which merely boarder on character assassination
Senior Citizen you are back??? I still need your comment on the Revelations contained in the Attorney General’s report. money has been stolen in most Govt. ministries!!!!!!!!! Say something!!
Ok! What next. All, I was in Kigali Rwanda for a week. Please visit *********. This man is serious and cant afford to have such kind of circus. Kigali is far better than Lusaka right and in the next ten years it will be looking like Capetown. FTJ whilst you needed to help MMD attach Sata, I think you, RB, HH and all other leaders need to spend time in Rwanda and understand what genocide is all about and how the French, Catholics and Belgians played a part. We need to discuss developmental issues and not undress each other, what examples are you leaving us with, later on our children.
Kalos2020,
Stop insulting the PHD fraternity with your wierd claims.What PHd can you be challenging in your life when you cannot even put up a single line of coherent statement in English? How would you come up with a Ph.D. dissertation unless its from Matero University online in insults? PHd my foot. A PhD dissertation is a lengthy, formal document that argues in defense of a particular thesis.Its not for kaponyas who specialise in insults only.
LT please correct the 1st sentence “he held a press conference at his residence in Kabulonga.” and not “at his resident.”
Kalos2020,
PHd in what so that we can expose you right here incase you think all here are your fellow stone throwers?
MINISTER OF Tourism and Natural Resources Catherine Namugala has dedicated her African Tourism Minister of the Year Award to President Banda.
Ms Namugala says she has decided to dedicate the award to the President for he is the one who appointed her.
She said she is proud to have won the award on behalf of the country because it shows that the efforts her ministry has made in the tourism sector have been recognised.
Ms Namugala said the award will boost morale of all officials at the Ministry of Tourism to work hard in marketing Zambia’s tourism industry.
She noted that the ministry has potential to reduce poverty and contribute significantly to the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth of the country.
And permanent secretary in the Ministry of Tourism Gladys Kristafor said…
Zambia is indeed interesting let us wait for tomorrow’s post Sata and company will have a field day how nice it feels to watch from afar i wish they could allow us to vote
For once and if HH and Sata want to gain my vote, they have to keep quiet and not respond to this midget. How can a former head of state start talking about who his former minsters had as girl friends? Yet a certain fo ol on here is happy. Africa will always be Africa. Why then did he persist with him as minister? OK so HH stole the privatisation money? Shall we take HH to court then and since this midget knows all about it, let him be a state witness. Do you see how foo lish you Zambians are?
Boyi, as long as it is a PhD, where you get it is immaterial. I blog here in between my research and if you see some errors in what I write, good, because this is past time. So iwe you have taken this blog so serious that you even have to go through what you write? What a waste of precious time. This really mean nothing to other people. Ale mune, waste your time. You will go back to Zed like A Phiri Anabwera, however they write it in that language used when you are driving on the road to the game park.
What Zambians should be looking at is why this midget did not take HH to court for stealing the money. If this MMD government has any morals then let them open this case-we have a key witness here. He was president so he knows everything.
what field day will they have? just wait and see, there is more that FTJ has and he will be releasing slow by slow by slow. sata is just an ugly bully with no brains
I will start a campaign to take HH to court. We wont need to look far because the midget is a key witness. There should be a lot more to this than meets the eye.
So, ba Mwata you are one of those who thick English is the right thermometer to judge one’s intelligence. Bwana, if so, how about the Germans, Japanese, Chinese, French, Bembas, Tongas, Lundas, are you saying they are not intelligent because they don’t use English. Kwena yama amano yalichepa.
On 80, I meant “think” and not thick.
You`ve got to be an id iot to bask in what the midget is saying. Take him to court if he doesn`t explain why HH is still free after staeling.
Kalos2020 stop debating with a person who gets paid to spout rubbish. He obviously hasn`t met professors who don`t speak english. Tell me what speaking/writting good english does to a person! The fact is even within the English themselves, there are people who speak/write better english. America is the same. Why are Africans this thick?
The last time I checked the only person convicted or a crime was Chiluba and not HH. So, if this man wants credibility he should get on the plane, go to London and defend himself to that judge who found him guilty. Probably someone has held about the HH case, please where can I find? I have not heard about such a case. His wife was also found guilty not HH. Ala bane when you are criminal, you will what to bring implicate even the innocent ones. Chiluba was found with his hands in the cookie jar. His friend Katele the same thing, his friend Sakala even spent years in jail. I have not heard of any case about anyone in UPND or PF. That means Chiluba is blowing gas.
Kalos2020 I wouldn`t waste my time debating with someone who gets paid for sp outing rubb ish. He has obviously never met a professor who can`t speak english. Even among the British themselves, there are people who speak better english than others. Why are Africans so t h i ck?
Sata will go in a mad feat of attacks calling everyone mad. this has done him sincerely. hope he doesnt suffer a heart attack. this is heavy! how will he come out of his Chombela Nganda Marriage? will he still eat Eucharist? what about his theiving past? was he policemena before 1964 and fired for theft? Ba Sata.
Thank you Kunka Mulilo. Your wisdom prevails. I was about to leave my job to waste time with some vigilante who happens to be at some failed embassy here in the US.
#86 Japhet. How about HH who your midget father attacked?
This midget has really lost it…Its just a matter of time before this proven thief is cagged..The peech should be thrown to the gutter where it belongs.
Its yappings from a scared little midget.
It is so shocking that people still believe Sata has to rule Zambia. Have you lost your mind?
Some lazy disillusioned blind PF cadres have locked Sata in a painful binary he has no mechanism to unlock himself from. Utopia governs their illusions.
Its no secret that Sata and his PF is in big trouble on all fronts internal and external not only from disillusioned cadres promised miraclous prosperity of jobs, mansions, cars, gradiouse international scholarships and instant fat bank accounts with decreed invested portfolios in all foreign corporations as long as they sign up for delusions and insults against RB.
Section B really fascinates me. This man broke all laws in Zambia to an extent he broke even the marriage of Regina and her former husband because he was the President. Chiluba must stop kidding himself. This man is a cheat and has never been faithful to an extent Vera almost suffered an heart attack because of this joke called Fred. He started cheating and spending government on women at Terrence Findlay’s club in Ndola every night he was visiting CB. Polygamy is a cultural practice in some parts of the world. If he is not happy about it, how about his friend Banda who goes to dance with King Mswati in Swazi? Has Sata broken an law by being polygamist in Zambia? Hell No. Chiluba stole, he broke the law. The comparison he is trying to bring due to his infidelity is way childish and blank
This is just a thief tying to resell himself to the pipo. FJT you are a thief. a shamless lying thief whos thieving has cost many lives that could have been saved with the funds you stole. Not all of us zambians are easily fooled. My fellow countrymen this man must not be rehabilitated, he should be shunned as an example to all leaders who are stealing.
Sata is in deep and high risky problems with foreign mercenary debtors he crooked, and embattled Rajan Mathani all keen to recover their monies at all cost. There is no free lunch on wall street regardless of political paradym shifts, nothing is accepted to these venture capitalists gold digging. In panic we see Given Lubinda and Sata himself shamelessly turning into spokespersons for Mathani in tongues.Lubinda is now using his native Bangladesh tongues in hallucinations for mathani.
Truth be told that Foreign mercenaries creditors are vicious followers of their blood money.They are are not money shredders but hedge it with human life as insurance for recovery.Failure to which, they come back in a hitman mafia style.The money Sata cheated South African Boers, Taiwanese moguls and some lose Zambian Asian investors is about to haunt the chap and his legion hard turns hollow hoax Gold diggers’ crusade of ranting in futility.
Interesting Reading. I have always warned/cautioned people against us, the people of Luapula and our smooth tongues. It takes one to live, eat, marry and sleep with us to know how good,dangerous,manipulative and naive we are. I say this with a strong conviction that it takes a honourable woman to admit some wrongs done by the majority in a Tribe, even your own relatives. Chiluba today has the audacity to bluff and try to pollute people he robbed from, with his evil tongue. council issues started with him, what has MMD led councils achieved, the issue if Regina, it is well known their affair started when she was married to Mwanza. KK and the colonial built the houses chiluba later sold and taking the glory for. Cheap talk ba shi mpundu. Am from Luapual spare me the vomit.
Chiluba is a thief and a thug who wanted to bomb the Ndola Central Police with late Godfrey Mwambazi, late Evaristo Mutale and Chiko Bwalya. Chiko Bwalya who spent years in jail because he did not want to say who sent them. Now because Chiluba spent time in jail for criminal activities, he wants to portray KK has the bad person. Hell No! If you wanted to destabilize a nation due to your hate for KK, it is not his fault. Chiluba should confess to nation how CBU Student President now at ZESCO failed to get a Job in KK error. Chiluba wanted to use the young man to bomb CBU. Sorry guys, there is too much too discuss about this criminal than we can spend time on. Ask Erick Silwamba who was defending these criminals in courts. Ask Julius Sakala. Chiluba must shut up.
PRAYERS AND COUNSELLING HELP NEEDED.I FEEL CURSED FROM THE YEARS I SPENT LAMPOONING AND INSULTING MWANAWASA
In short I don’t know what I post in blogs. Read my posts here where I find Sata not a leadership material, exonerates Chiluba as a victim of Mwanawasa’s nepotism yet today unconsciously I find myself a sycophant for Sata even when I vividly know that he has no chance in the eyes of MMD mafias.Ala ubushilu naumpwisha amino.I have just looked at my wasted years on blogs and my insanity is indelibly self manifested everywhere I blog irrespective of switched IDs. If there are any men of God here who pray for people, I’m a needy casualt in a mental crisis. Read my entries to the thread subject below:
“I won’t dismiss my nephew – Levy”
Kalos2020 says:
March 31, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Guys, Mwanawasa cannot be compared to Chiluba in terms of nepotism. That you know for sure. Levy is the waste president ever to rule any country South of the Equator. As I said before, Levy will either leave Shakafuswa were he is or give him foreign service position. Zambia now is Lenje/Lamba country. I have inside info about how he runs his gov. Why do you think Kapita kept his job despite firing the competent Lozi guy over the same reason? Some of you will be fooled by the numbers that the economy is doing fine under his rule, but the fact is, those are concocted figures to appease the West.
Kalos2020 says:
March 31, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Have you guys noticed the dressing of your so called president Mwanawasa on the picture above? Come on guys, this guy is so hopeless that the Jacket and the all attire look like a bricklayer. Is that the way he looks wherever he goes to represent Zambians? Man, Chiluba for sure is classy. Kwati bafwele overalls nakatambala ka chibe patumba. Awe, Zambia made wrong choice on this guy for sure. Even his crazy nephew dresses better. The all attire is hanging one side.
24.Kalos2020 says:
March 31, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Kabwa #22. Mention what Chiluba did that you know of apart from what you have heard from others that you think was wrong. In terms of tribal nonsense, even my dog knows how Mwanawasa operates. The so called Mwanawasa tree stinks and I know it. Do you know how many family members of Mwanawasa are in government positions today, be it at home or abroad? Do you know that putting family members only in positions is another form of corruption? Do you Realise that Mwanawasa has already stated that he will leave Zambia immediately his term is over? Why? Do you that MMD has no Vice President because he was thinking of his wife as next President?
30. Kalos2020 says:
March 31, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Kabwa #28, the pipo in trouble of embezzling funds were not appointed by Chiluba. When you say Chiluba appointed Bembas in as MDs, let it be known that Chiluba privatized state run companies. So, which companies did he appoint them to? Bashi Chipo appointed a brother as head of intelligency/security and he got killed by a #@*%! in SA. Come on. What Levy is doing is trying to break the Bembas and those from Luapula. He wants to divide the nation. You also state that Chiluba was appointing Bembas, plz realize that Chiluba is not a Bemba per se? In Luapula, there’re Lundas, Ushi, Ngumbo, and others. Will you comment on the dressing too. Teach Levy to look Presidential plz.
81. Kalos2020 says:
April 1, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Choma1, could those appointments from the opposition have come after he had no more family members to appoint? Or did he do that for a simple fact that even those he appointed from the opposition belonged to his tribe or were one way or other linked to him or his wife? And how many from the opposition did he appoint if I may ask? With regard to leadership qualities, mention 4 that you have seen in Levy that makes you feel he is a good leader? Don’t talk about the economy, Chiluba started the trend and it is Chiluba gov policies that are still being used in the Levy Government. So, mention the ones you know of about Levy.
88. Kalos2020 says:
April 2, 2008 at 1:29 am
Choma1 #86, The word NEPOTISM is what you are just advocating for. Are you saying that only Levy’s family members are qualified in the all entire Zambia? What kind of myopia is that? The MMD is not stuck. Levy has made it stuck. The appointment of Munkombwe is not a sign of MMD being stuck, it is a sign of failure by the appointing authority. I am not even thinking of Sata being a good leader, but the way things are going, I would just even puppy to take over. Do you think Levy is normal? Check the photo above? If that does not tell you something, what should I say? He fails to dress properly, do you think he can distinguish between legal and moral issues?
31. Kalos2020 says:
March 31, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Levy is damn. No one is asking him to drop Shakafuswa as his nephew. That excuse is hollow and will remain so. What laws is he referring to that govern appointing and disappointing his members of the cabinet. Does he mean he is afraid that Shakafuswa will sue him and government for wrongful termination? Where can we get brain transplant for Levy plz?
40. Kalos2020 says:
March 31, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Is there a dress code for Cabinet/MPs and other offficials? What about Presidents? Do we have people who make sure our Prez look nice? Man, the picture above is of my great concern. If the dressing is like that, what about what is inside that? Now we know why Shakafuswa will survive this episode. Uncle Pepe Kalle will protect him.
78. Kalos2020 says:
April 1, 2008 at 10:30 pm
The easiest is please fellow tribesmen and relatives. Give them all gov positions, send them all in foreign service. After all Zambians will never find out that you have been a tribalist and staunch nepotist. The media wont rant on you as they are run from your offices too. If they talk too much, tell your cousin at Zesco to turn off electricity. If they don’t stop, tell your tribesmates Shikapwasha and Mpombo that they will haul them to jails. If they don’t, tell Masebo not to grade the roads. If they are abroad, your relatives will not represent them as long as they don’t listen. Wow, list is endless.
79.Kalos2020 says:
ctn. If they need money, you tell BOZ gov to check their villages first. Why do you think he has Fundanga at BOZ and Shakafuswa at Finance? All family. You, Engineer, I once thought Levy would be a good leader. But when Chiluba asked him to submit 10 names for appointments, he gave Chiluba all lambas and lenjes. Chiluba could only accept 6 of those people that he was given. If you want to know more about this Baobab tree you call Levy, ask Sebestian Kopalande or his one time security detail when he was VP, Captain Mofu. Sometimes I feel traumatised by what I know about your current president.
I am sorry ladies and gentlemen. I have to confess here. I worked with this so called former president who is a criminal worse than Roy Mudenda and Spoil Kapenda combined. One night he sent us, us meaning Mwambazi, Evaristo and myself to deliver a paperback full of cash to another ladies’ house close to Dominican Convent in Ndola. That lady was not Vera, was not Regina, was not government official or family. This man to even be given time to espouse his dolt venom is a waste of our nation’s time time. This is as good as giving Charles Manson media time to vomit his hate for others. Chiluba does not belong in Kabulonga. He belongs to be in jail meeting his fellow criminals. The nation must be wondering, how did all the Military Generals go to jail leaving their Commander in Chief?
i find it had to understand why some people find it to be wise to attack others on this site we don’t reveal who we are but i can asure you that some of us are medical doctors and those who insult us are no match to our status i love Zambian
Funny how money makes even the so called blind. Got to agree with Kunka Mulilo. Top posts mate! Kafupi knows he owes it Bwezani. If Levy didn`t die, this man would have been behind bars by now.
Sounds like a ‘Sponsored Speech’
Fast tracking Title Deeds to rightful owners of the Houses should be FTJ’s main concern. He messed this up and should lick up his own mistake. My sister’s depression and subsquent death is just one example of many. Miners are clever. They want you mop your own vomit. now is the time!
Not these bedroom stories, ifyombela nganda, bukabolala etc shrouded in this speech. FTJ, rise above these personal issues. No need for press conference. Lyashi lyapansaka. talk as mana to man. Should King Cobra and Prince Cobra fall below their aspired status, I shudder to think of what the nation will be subjucted to hear.
Pray King Cobra and his Prince rise above this and uphold their intergrity and confidentiality.
Ba some of us on LT? Got to laugh. Peace!
Now because I have attacked their God Father, Fred, they have to use my psuedo. About LPM, I don’t know if you regard him as an angel. But you have to know that I will call it the way I see it. It is the right thing to do rather than praising just because you have the blind allegiance that the new Kalos2020 has. You guys will judge the legitimate one the honesty postings you will see. For your own information Mr New Kalos2020, I will not change my psuedo. I will never be a copy cat like you. Your behavior shows your level of maturity.
#112 sorry….Talk as man to man…
I shudder to think of what the nation will be subjected to hear….
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#98 Kalos2020
Point taken. You are in my prayers and I am sure other caring people of Zambeziland will pray for you. You have carried too much, so do not be afraid to let it out and the TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.
Number 112., dream on if you think HH and the obra himself can rise above this attack by Chiluba. I for one think they deserve every tongue-lashing ka chiluba has unleashed on them, considering their continued attacks in the papers about his trips… It was long time coming!
Guys ignore this i-d-i-o-t in # 114 trying to speak for me in denial when all i need are your prayers. I feel going insane.
Please visit or google for my own words right here on LT under subject below:
“Zambia: I won’t dismiss my nephew – Levy” (LT Monday, March 31, 2008, 15:49 )
Wake up Zambians forget these politicians.
FTJ + LPM = Friends(from C B)
FTJ + Sata = Friends (fought for third term for Chiluba 2001)
LPM + RB = Friends (Vice president to LPM)
RB + FTJ = Friends (because of 2011 elections)
Wake up!!
Mwamutendeke fye. FTJ speak up. It’s your right. belakutinya!:d/
Only a dolt and an imbecile whose has no brain of their own would be coping other people’s psuedos and use it. The level of maturity in MMD sponsored bloggers leaves one wonder why MMD is still in office. Even those that worked for Pravda during the USSR era would not behave like some of you MMD criminal supporters do. When things are on the other side you disappear like you did when AG caught you with your pants down. You have failed to blog but opted to attack those who think are well informed and will always not support your unjust MMD cause. Sorry, guys, I am very disappointed in the behavior of this imbecile at the embassy who some of you respected when he spun records. Now as of now Benny kangwa has taken over my psuedo because he knows he cannot debate with me on substance..
#118 Mwila
Yes, I will dream on. I pray on. Mudslinging for our leaders is a new culture that spectators who long to watch such fights do not suffer consequences. Yet on the other hand, “Uwalutambile, ewalulwile”
Mwila, my argument is that people of Zambeziland will not benefit from Sata’s FTJ bedroom matters! That why I pray that Sata and HH and other respectable leaders in public institutions may rise above FTJ broken confidentiality. Retiring from his office as President does not excuse him to spill the beans. This goes for any office bearer who leaves office. Sata and HH are not excused, not at all.
pweeee nashula =)) thats how i feel about chiluba ooops pweeee bOOOOOOOM (thats the chi silencer chishupu) deuces :)>-
Kalos 2020 you have made my Day Kafupi spoiled our lives, my parents suffered coz this kafup soled the mines and the houses up todate my homeland is worse than ever getting bad by the day. I know one I thing I dont want Bwezman Pepe kale and his friend Kafupi, they are already selling us again to the banyamulenge from congo. They can cheat others but not eveyrone
What clean affair with Regina. She was married when the two of you started, if you did not entice her with money and the fact that you were president then, would she have considered you. Ba Vera trusted regina like young sister, only to stab her in the back. Banda is very stupid, he was better off using ba Vera to campaign as she understand the language of the poor. chiluba is mad indeed, chameloon, sakala mukala, mafia and above all evil. What happened to his heart problem
#119, masquerading as the Real Me, Kalos2020, you will never be me. Your brain is too small such that doctors will need a magnifying to operate on your state of mental illness. Coming to your God Father, who sent people to go to Musangu to sweet talk villagers and pay them when the issue of who he was came up, this short man, who lost his entire family due to his behavior to come and tell us that he has higher morals than HH and Sata really baffles me. Chiluba like his friend Benny Hinn are a fraud. The gates of Hell awaits them. Chiluba was shedding phony tears at the funeral of the nation team. I remember his statement when we met at state house about the same tragedy. He said he was sorry he couldn’t release the other plane even when ZAF officials explained the need to do so.
Not many people posting same guys over and over again… Anyways as much as i would say the speech sounds desperate from the man it does raise questions that should be asked no one said HH stole money but he was part of a transaction, it is true Sata claimed that FTJ was innocent in the mwanawasa time and many more lets ask these questions of our leaders then make an informed decision after it wont cost a thing.
TIME WILL TELL INDEED TIME WILL TELL!
TIME WILL TELL INDEED TIME WILL TELL!
TIME WILL TELL INDEED TIME WILL TELL!
Chiluba is a thief Period, Why did he not address issues about his shoes and suits, when the majority of pople in Zambia live in abject porverty!!! Chiluba is a thief!
Coming to Chiluba’s heart problem. This short criminal is a cheat. He lied for how long to escape the wrath of criminal justice. The day Levy died, his heart problem cleared. The day Banda came in office his financial and heart issues have totally disappeared. Phony cheat who will burn in the infernal that awaits the MMD and the supporters.
Our national leadrs please stop washing dirty linen in public.This is a bad recipe for bad things to come to our country.Stop it now.Keep to yourselves what you know about yourselves please. What message rare you sending to the World at large?
What about the children you have as well? Vera is not the mother to all.? At your age why use language yamwachepe sana, it just tells how confused, naive, dangerous and out of date you are. Do you think zambians are still living in 1991 days when you spoke and everyone admired your eating of english words. Embark on something else to redeem yourself unlike being used by Banda. You have shamed us the luapula people, enough of your stupid games at the expense the poor that are suffering.
This short criminal, You have failed to tell the truth about the involvement of HH. I read your article but from my understanding, you wanted HH to tell Mwanawasa that he knew about $12000000 and chiluba is not a thief. On paragraph 4 of your report, it shows how desparate you were at that time. HH was working for the said company and he had no authority to sanction the sale of Luanshya mine without the president. simply because he did not support you, he is bad, came up with other excuses on HH. Why is not arested by now.? For PF leader, that is what I had feared all along about this man. So it is up to sata to respond not HH because he has no question to answer. Let chiluba tells us how much he stole and sponsored his dauther at Wawirck universty in UK, This short litte criminal..!!!!
Praising George Kunda, you wait and see, maybe because you know his ARV’s days are numbered as well.What our people want is loyalty to providing service to them. Give them medicine and equipments in the hospitals and other benefits entitled to them. If ka kaunda can recommend NCC delegates to me paid K5 billion, then you call such a genuine person concerned with the people’ s welfare. Chiluba you are evil, given the opportunity I would make sure you donot wake up ever. Maybe I need to consult my grannies about travelling ku congo, am sure I can come back with something to put you to sleep for good.
WHY DIDNT EX-MINERS GET TITLE DEEDS BEFORE 2006?
THE SECOND PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE THE DISCENCE TO RESPECT THE CHILDREN. HE CAN TALK ABOUT MR. SATA AND HIS PARTNER (THE MOTHER OF THE CHILDREN). BUT IS AN AFRONT ON THE RIGHTS AND PRIVACY OF THE CHILDREN. IT IS NOT RIGHT TO MENTION THESE CHILDREN’S NAMES NO MATTER WHAT SCORES HE HAS TO SETTLE WITH MR. SATA. THE CHILDREN ARE INNOCENT. PLEASE MR. sECOND pRESIDENT RESPECT CHILDREN IF YOU ARE A BELIEVER IN DEMOCRACY. IN THIS CASE YOU OWE THESE CHILDREN AN APOLOGY, AS A FATHER, PARENT, FORMER HEAD OF STATE.
No matter how some folks may praise him here, i dont have kind words for him,Chiluba is an enebrar, manupilator, a cheater, lier and a crook who has caused so may zambian lives miserable.Chiluba at his press conference he would have talked more about what he wants Zambia to be after he left office as president, unlike attacking an individual Sata who has no means in some zambians lives. Can our politicians copy politics of issues from countrie like America and other europian countries.
Revolutionary Salutations
Chiluba, these are all lies. we know that, you’re campaigning for Banda because he is not that popular on the Copperbelt. My fellow Country men and women you open your eyes and see, this is a campaigning theme for 2011.
Double Standards from bloggers.
If this was an attack on RB, everyone would be singing praises. Now that it exposes Sata and HH, they are all jittery and complaining about FTJ and even calling him names. In a democracy like the one we enjoy in Zambia, freedom of speech is the norm. This is why PF cadres and their sympathizers insult President Rupiah Banda on a daily basis.
Let us just wait for Mr. Sata and Mr. Hichilema to issue a rebuttal otherwise many of the issues raised in this press conference are on point.
There is no doubt that FTJ had smoked some weed before making this speech. Anyway those of us who follow political events keenly know that FTJ is a political dog of war hired by RB to finish of the PACT. Unfortunately this will cause more political damage to FTJ and RB than Sata and HH. Just wait for the PACT political guns to respond, we are in for an interesting week
Unfortunately FTJ and RB combined have 100 times more skeletons in their cupboard than Sata and HH. By openly campaigning for RB, FTJ has declared himself the pact partner of RB and they have fallen into the POST trap of being linked as birds of the same feathers. This will without doubt cause more political damage on RB. MMD know they are taking a high risk and that explains why the timing of FTJ’s press conference was scheduled at a time when RB was leaving the country.
I Think Mr Sata has finally met his match, and I really doubt if he can ride this storm.
HOW I WISH THIS LITTLE MIDGET COULD JUST DISAPPEAR. This crap was full of personal attacks. Nothing about moving the country forward. We are doomed with this shallow kind of leadership. HE IS A CONVICTED and CERTIFIED lier and thief period. GO AWAY ALREADY!! You make sick and shameful to be Zambian
This little butt hole, who gave him permission to talk! This loathsome little cockroach. Go to HELL and join your son Castro. You plunderer. You make me sick!
Wow! wow! when I saw the paragraph about HH, I thought now we will hear the skeletons in HH’s closet but alas! nothing of substance and nothing new! If this all Chiluba has to say about HH, then the young man is clean!
As for Sata, I did not see anything knew either! we already know all that about Sata thats why I think he cant make a good president.
Meanwhile, let Chiluba tell us what happened with the 3rd term, the Chawama saga, the kaunda deportation issues.
Let Chiluba spill all the beans so that when he is done, he and others should face the law where need be.
This little thing has no brains. Isn`t it the same Sata he endorsed in 2006 as the best candidate. Today he says Sata is unqualified. Indeed only the unwise can listen to Chiluba the little thief. Viva Pact!
I find this whole PR crafted drivel ludicrously nauseating,this is childish to say the least,does this article make chiluba a better person than we already know him,NO,does it change how people will vote,NO,it will take more than such press conferences
Well, Rupiah ‘s fault he is going backward instead of moving Zed forward. This Chiluba SOLD SOLD Zambian companies resulting in Zambia being dependent on foreigners. I am independent, not a supporter of any candidate. However, extremely disappointed with Rupiah basing Zambia on one man Chiluba. Not caring about the millions of Zambians 85% unemployed. Levy Mwanawasa and KK had their faults but they tried…We have a 73 yr old president mesmerized by Chiluba. This article feels like Chiluba is actually running his 3rd term. What legacy does RB stand for Chilubanite? Chiluba promo? Chiluba developer? Chilubanee? Shame on MMD and Rupiah administration you are destroying Zambia with your Chiluba bootlicking vision. Elections are more important than developing the country. Chilubamedianites?
Capitalist and Senior citizen stop spamming! make your point and move on. You can not sway the bloggers on this site. They, unlike MMD cadres, are independent thinkers.
Chinondo, prove I have spammed when I have only made 2 posts (the post on #141 and this one). This is why I say PF cadres jump the gun to many times. Prove I have spammed.
Whether you like it or not, like FTJ Chiluba has stated, I have a democratic right to voice my opinion on a matter whether PF cadres and sympathizers like it or not. Democracy is not and should not be one sided.
To think after insulting FTJ Chiluba on your post #145, you think you can lecture me??? =;
First begin by making respectable posts, then your lecture can have some weight otherwise it is just useless information I shall dismiss as noise pollution. :-&
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Henry Kyambalesa like Sata who has a plagiarized PF manifesto from UNIP, has plagiarized this article from President Banda’s speech in Mukaika following the burrial of Hon CB. I challenge his self appointed disciples here to copy this article and turnitIn, it will track changes with 67% plagiarism.If he has gained any grain of integrity since his failed Village concept he shoved on Brig.Gen.Miyanda’s HP, as a Presidential candidate and someone in the academia Henry must renounce his shameful behavior of plagiarism unless like Sata he has no conscious and integrity left in him.
A Nepalese man who is only 56cm (22in) tall is travelling to Europe in a bid to be recognised officially as the world’s shortest living person.
At first I thought they will mention Napoleon Fred Titus Mpundu Chiluba and all those names he adopted form the stolen documents.
#156
Hahahaha Mr Senior Citizen, do you,yourself have any integrity or conscious.case of kettle meeting pot,you should be the last person to talk about integrity or conscious,coz you clearly dont have any,how about you blog on the Attorney Generals report for once,havent you got any shame,you have in one way or anothr benefited from the missapropriation of funds at the embassy and shamelessly come out to blog,if you had any conscious,you should atleast tried to comment on that issue
Senior Citizen
you have no moral right to say anything about being consicous or integrity,you are one shameless indivual who would gladly go back to your vomit and lick them,thats how unconcious you are sir,not long ago you said some nasty things about Mpombo, and when he tried to reconcile with mmd,you blogged here in praise of mpombo,only to change again,what kind of man are you,i feel sorry for your children and anyone else who looks up to you,coz if they found out that senior citizen is their dad or husband,they will surelly feel embarrassed,unless they dont have any conscious either
Chiluba’s right handman Richard Sakala, Xavier Chungu and many others spent time in jail or are still in jail prunless RB released them too. Ba Chiluba with all due respect stop throwing stones it is said that he who lives in a stone house should not through stones/ It is clear that you stole from pour zambians
As for SENOIR Citizen get some brains
You bought your freedom chkla! this ass*** has gt 2 b stoned or rather caged like khodorkovsky. umulandu taubbola, one day there will be no Mwadya Mweka Daddy to shield u.. time is ticking
chiluba=thief
chiluba=home breaker
chiluba=convict
Can Chiluba please tell us more about the woman from Kabwata he was screwing?
Well I have read Sata’s rebuttal in the Post and as usual it is full of righteous indignation, but lacks firepower. I thought Sata was going to drop a nuclear bomb too. Well waiting for HH. Sata is now taking of suing FTJ over girlfriend issues. I think he has not read the script. This is MMD strategy to use FTJ to keep Sata and HH busy while RB campaigns quietly. Basically HH, Sata & FTJ will be potrayed as petty petty squabling over nothing and RB will look like the only sensible voice in the land. Nice work if MMD pulls this one off.
Chiluba has lost this battle and he will die a bitter life. Senior Citizen and other MMD sympathizers please spare us the circus. More points for HH. Plain confession and righteous exoneration of HH.
Catch the thief and hang him. He(Chiluba) has stolen lives and hanged the entire Zambian nation.
FTJ is treading a fine line between active politics and staying out of it.
…….# 134 Mr Kapoma and # 139 Ba Zambia..I totally agree…. . Not very mature of our former presido.
……..# 122 & 127 Kalos2020….Thanx for setting the record straight . I was getting very confused here on this thread……And to the person who is posing as Kalos2020 , why would u want to do that? That behaviour is of the lowest class no matter what position it is that you hold today in society. If u are trying to expose Kalos2020 for what he has said in the past , why not do it under your own name? That way u would even get credit for it rather than in this underhand way which devalues the standard of the debate and is totally unfair to other boggers rights to blog .
I am impressed FTJ has declared HH clean from all theft allegations by lazy minds like Sata and some MMD headless neanderthals. Zambians lets rise and elect someone with a sober mind. We have a good president in HH.Chiluba, Sata and RB are one people – colonial and are chronical tribalists with natural trend of thinking “backward”. Lets move on people. We can try HH and see what happens than recircling these habitual liars.
ZAMBIA STOPPED LISTENING AND BEING DECTATED BY FTJ A LONG TIME AGO, WE HAVE MADE UP OUR MINDS TO REMOVE MMD NEXT YEAR, CHILUBA’S PRESS CONFERENCE HAS ADDED TO OUR ANNOYANCE, HE HAS SUBTRACTED FROM MMD THAN ADDED VALUE. MMD SELF DESTRUCTING / DETONATING. AND WE DONT CARE CAUSE THEY WONT BE A FACTOR ANY MORE COME 2011
FTJ has just started a war and i hope he has big enough bols to finish it. Such statements will surely open a big can of worms. It is interesting to see how Sate will react. However, FTJ must surley have a defensive mechanism before launching such an attack. this is one dog fight i have to see. Baliimbe!!!!
i thougtht as much, today’s post headline sums up it all.Thats the best answer to what chiluba wanted to do
zed politics kaya mwe!!!!!
Firstly, I will comment on “DR. F.J.T. CHILUBA –M.Phil“, I thought it would be better written as
DR. F.J.T. CHILUBA, Grade8?, 1 A-Level?, BA?, M.Phil, Honourary Doctor.
Anyhow, thank you Mr FTJ Chiluba, M.Phil, Hon Doc for the nice press conference data that you have released on both Mr MC Sata, BA Art and Hist?, BA Pol Sci?, and Mr Hakainde Hichilema, BA, MBA.
I will now concentrate on the alleged degree that Mr PF unelected leader MC Sata holds following “Your English sounded more Taiwanese than English and the NEC said we don’t want him. They suggested that young Paul Tembo, the late Paul Tembo, a graduate should be the one writing minutes …” for I have always written that Mr Chiluba FTJ must give an interview on Mr Sata MC’s person.
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Following “Your English sounded more Taiwanese than English and the NEC said we don’t want him. They suggested that young Paul Tembo, the late Paul Tembo, a graduate should be the one writing minutes because Mr Sata was only capable of putting a comma or full stop where he stopped, when he stopped breathing that is where the full stop went.
I saved him in all these things. I know his capabilities he can’t fool me, he can’t fool me and I don’t want to discuss matter of abuse of office…I told Mr Sata I have a dossier, a thick one on him but I will not go into that. For now let him answer those two questions”, it is important to note that Mr Paul Tembo was a graduate while Mr Sata is implied not to have been a graduate. PF supporters think twice for the PACT’s sake…
# 90 please mind your language. Even uneducated MMD cadres from Kabwata are better mannered than you. I have always read your comments. Man they sound so weired!
Chiluba should not lie, yes Sata has two children who are not toddlers from another lady, but they are not married. it was a long time ago he fathered them, just like levy had Mirriam and Patrick who are not maureens biological children, so did chiluba with so many children from other women. The Problem with Chiluba is he started dating regina and sleeping with her when she was married to Mr. mwanza. he later grabbed her and parades her now as a wife. Chilufa hounded Nakatindi Wina (sikota wina’s wife) out as MMD Chairlady for womens affairs and replaced by the same lover then Regina. We Zambians forget so easily.
BREAKING NEWS BANE JUST CAME IN…….SATA HAS DECIDED TO STOP TAKING EUCHARIST TILL FURTHER NOTICE! THIS IS SAD NEWS………
Chiluba the thief we call you now. You and sata should fight Physically so we can see who gets bitten because you are behaving like street kids playing with wire Cars at Home. Putting you two in the Streets would suit you guys.
On “We must not allow leaders of political vandals to come back on the political scene… Remember I was in office for ten years as president and I had records on every one of my ministers. As the appointing authority of the prisons and police services commission I came to know the truth about you Mr. Sata. I challenge you to tell the people you want to lead the truth about your background. Were you a colonial police constable or a freedom fighter?“, I am glad Mr FTJ Chiluba has shown and asked questions that Mr PF leader Sata MC can never be trusted with the Zambian Presidency while Mr UPND president HH has no case to answer to anyone because he is simply clean — and the courts of law did not call HH to defend Mr FTJ Chiluba in his court cases.
Be blest all.
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Matt 6:33…
Well written
It seems all our politicians have some dirty that they are hiding what a shame!! If only they could base their debates on how they will develop the nation instead of asking each other as to who had S*x with who and if they legally married. Such pit issues are a waste of time, we need them to concentrate on real issues that are affecting us as a nation. What plans do they have to improve education, medical etc systems that is what we would love them to debate!!!! We not interested in their personal hatred towards each other becoz they once shared the same bed all of them
BAN THE PERSON WHO IS POSTING OFF TOPIC STORIES FROM YEARS AGO.
This deal where you click to complain is useless.
how many posts can you complain against when there is over 80 from 171 posts that are just copy and pasted by MMD cadres.
L.T’s self regulation is a waste of people time.
L.T have become lazy moderators.
the ***** is back again to bring his foolishness to zedians. no one can listen to fools like the mwata and the so called senior citizens. u shud be digraced pipo in society for u to support what this fool was talking about at that press conference which was too personal. chiluba shud be caged by now so that society can be saved from his stupid mouth which he is using to insult pipo like mr sata and HH. that short man makes me wonder why he has the tricks that are endless and the hopeless bloggers can support that nonsense. what a shame
Ba Senior citizen you are a F**king loser. you can write good english but you don’t seem to be objective. how many people have suffered because of that short bastard called Chiluba. i wish you could write something more sensible so that we can learn from you and not that caderism you are portraying. F**k you man kiss my ***
Now the politics is getting interesting, FTJ has drawn first blood. He has exposed himself because there is no way HH and SATA will take this lying down.:d
BREAKING NEWS……………………eucharist will never be the same for sata!
BREAKING NEWS………………………….SATA has just vomitted 10 eucharist !
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# 183 get a life.
And this is the man (chiluba) we let to run our country?
Very fullish and immature personal attacks on individuals instead of discussing serious national issues.
And this THIEF even has the audacity to compare himself to great leaders like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Nelson Mandela. What a shame.
Like KK used to say, “Little frightened men”.
BREAKING NEWS………………………………Sata vs eucharist
No wonder this embacile once signed a wrong statutory instrument dreaming he was invoking the awesome powers of a state of emmergecy when all he succedded in doing is just showing how ignorant he was. The stipulations for the oath of office for the Zambian president are solemnly clear and how he could disregard them to shield a known criminally incompetent character in his government, three times, is vexing enough in itself. Despite the injurious effect this character went on to cause to the fabric of this nation (at FTJ’s facilitation) it’s an irony for him to hold a press conference today exposing the role he played, in direct contravention of the oath he swore upon taking office. See, its not three piece suits or Warwick degrees that wisen people because FTJ is intellectually bankrupt
Those who tarnish or play with the name of the Eucharist will suffer.
You’ve been warned
# 183..get a life yourself if ur a dead iwe kabuudo!
#90 my brother! MMD is an open-party that welcomes
people of all kinds. RB is very intelligent and God given leader. He allowed counsellors to be in charge of big towns
and what have we experienced? It is pathetic to see how Tax payers money is going without any accountability. We need to know what projects have been done in Lusaka, kitwe, Ndola etc by the counsellors and we need to know how much has been spent! I will not sit idle and see how my Tax is being mismanaged.
Coming to personal attacks between former president Dr. FTJ and Sata, I have no comment because I am impressed with RB’s commitment to good governance.
SENIOR CITIZEN / MWATA
Calm down you muppets, only very young and extremely dull adults would even give an ear to this little pathological liar. Some of us have not forgotten how he mesmerized the whole nation with lies in 1991 and we all know what happened in the 10yrs, we all what he has done to Ndola, a town that was once a Lusaka of the Northern regions. We all know what he has done to the great province of Luapula where i spent 5 solid years straddling KK and the midgets reigns. When developed countries are always looking for ways and means of protecting and creating new jobs the liitle midget had no problem closing companies left, right and centre sending people to early graves due to poverty and depression and today this shameless liar goes back to the orphans left by …. cont
still & to date remains the biggest danger to himself. Its frightening that such a man could have been president of a country, any country, for a decade. Not even the fake degree of his seems to have created any intellectual traction in his skull to realise that his conference was nothing but a confirmation that he is an extortionate ransom prone criminal who will keep all manner of creeps in his nest as long as they sing praise for him, no matter the cost to the nation. About Regina, what has he got to say about the groinery pleasures he was harvesting from her blossom while she was still MMD Women’s chairlady & still married to aMwanza? Towards the end of his term, he went to China with her & shared the same hotel suites! If this was not stinking fornication/adultery, what is?
Why was chiluba shielding Sata when he was in power and has now chosen to expose Sata? This is a case of two thieves failing to agree on how to share their spoils. Chiluba, if he is a man of principle should NOT have sank so low as to engage Sata on any of the issues. I do not agree with Sata or Chiluba but I think Chiluba has errored in a big way as a former head of state. Watch the space and we will be hearing more BUt does Zambia need all this nonsense? It does not feed the people and does not help the nation in any way. Shall we discard these people for what they have done against us?
It is shocking that you all want to talk and when others do you call them names… Are you the only ones that are allowed to talk?
Everyone keeps saying things about FTJ and others you dont seem to complain dont they have a right to respond no matter what type of response it is???
RB = Development
RB = Prosperity
RB = Christianity Nation
RB = Good listener
RB = Educated
RB = President for 2011
# 191, you clearly dont have anything worth while to comment. Did you just chance a computer because your boss left it open ? That is the problem with you chaps who work in Mcdonalds, Chimbwi no plan. You cant even come home because you have overstayed your camp consellor visas, so now you have become a table wiper, dish washer, security guard, God knows what else. Five jobs just to pay rent. Come Home you illegal immigrant
Anyway, about Sata we all know he was discharged from the Northern Rhodesia Police for thieving. He is the one who arrested a lot of freedom fighters, he one time almost killed Simon Zukas for fighting for our independence, what an irony. Also, Saviour Chishimba’s freedom fighting father was beaten unconcious by Sata for fighting for our independence, in true “umusungu antemwe nebo Zondwe” style. Anyway, HH, Sata and Bwezani are all wrong chaps, we need to find a clean suitable candidate in 2011.
Uchipo # 196, i feel you my brother, but you need to understand that there is a lot of anger in the country. People are so upset that any one who tries to speak for MMD is immediately looked at as an enemy. Zambians have been taken for a ride for too long. And FTJ just aggravated the situation. # 195 you observation is spot on, FTJ tolerated Sata despite what he knew about him. Why only expose him now?
Senior Citizen & Mwata:
Can you two “bone heads” shut up and listen to others for a change!
Yap, yap, yap, yap, the entire thread convincing no one but yourselves. No one really expect anything new, or a different perspective from you. You only show up on here when one of your “prophets/saints” yaps something that seems intelligent, or it when suits you to boot-lick until you turn blue in the face—gosh!!!!
As for FTJ Chiluba, he does make sense in some of the things he has articulated, although some of the arguments are beneath his stature as a former President. He somehow sounds like a kindergarten having a fight with a fellow kindergartner out on the play-ground.
I think he has a right to answer back his critics, but that does not absorb him of his many misdeeds!
Those in support of FTJ and against Sata.This is not a case of of whether ftj is speaking truth or not.It is the fact that ftj is shamelessly involved in politics.I am surprised that none of you have made reference to the fact that FTJ claimed he was going to the Copperbelt to attend to family bereavements!What changed?Now he claims constitutional rights.That he is free to go around and shamelessly defends poor GK making reference to Luapula .Where are the admirable qualities of a former head of state?This guy has literally taken over RB’s battle against the opposition.Once again, important principals relating to dignitaries in FTJ’S shoes have been sacrificed on the altar of expediency!What he has done is cheap but what is shocking is that RB is ready to ride FTJ’S BACK! GOD Zambia
Heyyy people let us not listern from Chiluba he is mad and sick we have two universty in this country against 12 million people were is education empowerment and worst more education is for the rich like chiluba and Rupial banda imagini its now 9 million to go to the universty iwe Zambian stop to be used by chiluba and MMD we need changa kwasila Pack hear we come Chiluba back south africa heart promble you are a thief why have you suddenly stopped going to south africa .You were mad with Ba Levy Sata and HH are coming next yrs you will see if you wont go to south africa now it will in chipata at the farm for Bwezani PACK kwasila
Chiluba is a scared little man.
How come he’s stopped for medical reviews in SA?
You stup id Zambians should be calling for Chiluba`s head. He abused his position to shield Sata. This is a man who held ministrial positions in his government. So the midget should be done for continuing to give an imcompetent person positions.
Sebuloni Kamutanda, we dont seem to have many choices for the presidential candidate at the moment. Unfortunately we have to draw from the pool of 3. Regarding Sata’s background / history you do realise that his deeds were during the colonial days, almost every one has a history. What is important now is who has a future for Zambia? RB has shown that he is not a hands on president, HH lacks political stamina, Sata has been there before, and delivered in his responsibilities, a loose canon you can say. to me i would take a chance with Sata, if he does not deliver we can vote him out anyway
202 you have a heart for this country chiluba is sick seroius people how does he change from funeral to champagn the man is sick and you their supporting him rise up Zambia and take MMD and chiluba to hell.Next you will see him supporting the PACK we do not need you chiluba napapata pls
# 1 Senior Citizen – Iwe ka senior citizen, bushe walipena? In what ways is this seriously flawed waste of time “sagaciously articulate and detailed?” You honestly have to wonder sometimes whether Zambians like Senior citizen are on drugs to be so blind to reality or they just happen to have an excessive endowment of s.t.u.p.i.d.i.t.y from god inserted on the table of creation. I mean, how can any sensible human being worth their 5 senses fall for such a pile of political repulsive and contradictory “amafi a nsofu?” “Munee Senior Citizen, ubunangwa bobe bwachilamo, bushe Scorpion Kadobi e wiso?”
“He in fact essentially becomes a goodwill ambassador whom the president can send on any assignment or mission”, Iwe Chiluba where did send KK to represent you?? And mind you youdo not represent the views of the people of Luapula Province, leave them out. And why all this. Anyway “the guilty are always afraid”.
Chiluba is taking Zambians for granted, he wants to do everything to undermine Sata so that RB can continue to tour the globe and his sons can finish scrambling for state assets. i wonder what Vera has to say about the Regina issue
This seems like it will be an interesting year. I do not really care for FTJ but this seems to be a masterclass move by RB. It will be worth watching how politically savvy the pact’s reaction is since up to date they have been on the offensive. let’s see if they can defend themselves in a mature and statesman like manner. Knowing the kaponya and his kaponya apprentice they are now on fire and will be too tempted to come out with all guns blazing. lots of fun for the political spectator but a damning indictment on the zambian citizen(is this the best we can do?)
Rb and his govt are now relying on a headless chicken!!!kafupi…hehehe..viva pact!
He already messed up big time and the only place people wouldn´t mind him going to is his native DRC.
his days are numbered>>>>>> he is afraid of the unknown….to catch a thief you must be a thief… SATA vs Chiluba will see……….
do not be scared ba mudala…………if you store then that explains all this nonsense from a big mouth
Sata has aleady said that FTJ is mad, how can he honestly bring about issues of children out of wedlock? Sata ‘s children are old the affair or whatever happened long ago. Chiluba is the one who should be ashamed of sleeping and marrying the Maid, then went on to snatch another man’s wife. This guy is losing his nuts. He should not start bringing out infomation obtained while he was head of state, that will be tantamount to revealing state secrets which will be a breach of the oath he took as president
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mwata and senior citizen, you two are ludicrous!!!
Yaba ka tata ka lasa!!Hichilema will be recalculating whether it was a wise move to leave the high pedestal of clean and progressive politics and jump into the filthy bed of the DEVIL. HH’s impatience,pride and ego have caused this political gonorhea for him. Now it’s time for him to step out with his legs apart and seek healing. politics is not a game for just anybody. He can no longer claim to be any different from the rest and hence he has consented to be screwed by any other political player and ka ftj ka mu bika mo! LOL really lol!
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HH for President. Let’s forget this Sata guy. He’s has no morals and will say and do anything to get back into power. UPND should dump him immediately. This pact is a cancer.
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If SENIOR CITIZEN / MWATA had even half brains they would be asking why this shameless midget is half heartedly complaining about being called a thief when he can go all the way to the court. The answer is, he’s a thief and he can not defend himself not even in a million years. We heared enough of this sort of tosh leading to and during his presidency. The only good thing that has come out of his press briefing is that he’s promised us that he’s not going to keep quiet anymore. He should be careful because this sort of excitement often leads to self destruction because he’s slowly opening he’s little filthy mouth ever wider for us all to see how dark his gums and mouth lining are as compared to his bleached skin. INSANSA SHINYA UBULANDA
#216 Haiti is very close to America yet very poor. Why? Because where blacks are expect poverty. There is something wrong with this skin. May be it`s that curse in the bible!
When is Chiluba going to shut-up?. Does he think we have forgotten what he did?. Morally, he has no morales to talk about. This man turned his office at state house into a butchery. How does he now preach about morales and condemns others?. If sata is lying about the issues chiluba raised about him, then what of what people have been saying concerning Chiluba’s forged certificates?. Doesn’t Chiluba realise that it was a very costly national mistake to have allowed him to rule this country?. Chiluba is indeed very arrogant and shameless and the dirtiest liar i have ever known. Is it true that Chiluba met Regina when she was single?. Such level of arrogance and stupidity must be met with a very severe punishment. I would encourage Regina’s former husband to seriously look for a wizard to…
the last kicks of the dying horse………what a mess we have in thi nation……….he is praising RB because of the favours he has received…we can not be fooled anymore…Zambians are intelligent and can not be swayed by this narrow minded person…….. WE NEED CHANGE REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH COST WE PAY….. CHANGE IS THE ANSWER…….Zambia will not GROW with this kind of attitude from such leaders,,,,,,,,let us go forward and not backwards…LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE….it is time to transform ourselves into another FORM…..change is what will bring this form into substance, change is the first step then the rest will follow………………. Chiluba is being used and he wants to draw everyone backwards,,,,,,,sorry MR
When are the elections? i just cant wait for them
Atleast Sata has NEVER grabbed somebody’s wife. Kafupi can tell that story a hundred times and no sane person will believe him that his affair with Regina was/is as holy as he paints it. We also know that Kafupi is a sweet, very sweet talker. The ex-miners are using him for their own benefits. Deep down, they know know were they will cast their vote. I would equally do the same coz its the only way their plight will reach Bwezani. Hats off to the ex-miners.
Chi senior Citizen stop boza.Kafupi is at it again. When is Kafupi going to learn. Look at N.Mandela, is well respected because he is not used by anyone. All that he talks about is development and assisting the under privilege. He is preaching peace in the world.
Shame to you kafupi and the chi senior citizen who has no morals.
FTJ, your days are numbered, u are lack that LPM is gone, he would have caged u.
Please FTJ take a look at B.Clinton also, he is busy helping the Haiti people and I expected you to be busy helping people of mazyopa, Not to be shooting the presidents of the opposition.
Yes, Chiluba was married to Tito’s mother when all of a sudden Bana Tito found Chiluba in bed with their house servant Vera Tembo, kaboy, taking the “forbiden” eucharist, in their matrimonial bed. Being the noble woman that she was, she dumped him wickedly horny love rat who proceeded on to marry the “Kaboy”, Vera Tembo Chiluba. Further, when he was president, he had this girlfriend working for Intercontinental Hotel, Public Relations Manager Koonga, the blood sister to the current energy minister Koonga. He also interfered in ZNBC Mukela Mangolwa’s marriage, sleeping repeatedly with his wife until the marriage fell apart. I just hope Sata will be bold enough to spill more juicy beans.
#216 Pumpkin
Can’t agree more with you mate, it’s an inconvenient truth that we always like to brush aside. Can i add that the AVERAGE IQ(underline average) is only superior to that of Aborigines. It would be fatal for any one with a balanced brain to listen to FTJ. Am surprised at the deafening silence from the so called statesman-KK. Why has he decided to keep silent when the little thief has come back to lie to the nation he always says he loves, why has he decided not warn the nation not to repeat the mistake of 1991 of listening to the shameless midget.
Zambians, if this country has to move forward, we need to start from where we are , what we have, and not from the past failures, past shortcomings, past leadership like FTJ we need to elect new persons, new gvt , new structures form the current status quo. we will see new creation- (innovation), new thoughts and new ZAMBIA believe me listening to such political leaders is a waste of time worst still making decisions on such speeches is succidal………. be focused and dont be SWAYED that is what success is all about….being focused on your long term thought, long term dream….SO COME 20111 JUST AXE by acting and move forward….
Ba Kamutanda mwalasa mudala wandi. Who doesn`t know about the midget`s affair with Silvia?
WHAT a Christian we have…very shameful……..KK what is your take…….this man humiliated you, this man took away your son, this man stole your dignity I gues you are a true christian, you dont want o fall prey………like this hypocrity
let us pray,
dear lord we thank you for creating creatures like chiluba.
amen
deuces:)>-
let us pray,
dear lord we thank you for creating creatures like chiluba coz without him we would not know what a liar looks like.
amen
deuces:)>-
Chiluba is a deviation from the many problems that need to be solved in this country! Rupiah Banda is now hidding behind this mini Kadoli for his own failures! Sata may have worked for colonialists but what is the relevance to the current situation? Rupiah Banda is still UNIP and so is William Banda who by the way was deported by Chiluba to Malawi alongside Chakufwa Chihana. This is more bickering than politics. Chiluba is still facing criminal charges lets not forget that.
I would like to thank all the wise bloggers that have refused to be taken for again by this filthy midget and for having made his spineless lieutenants-SENIOR CITIZEN / MWATA- to run away from the thread. Once again thank you for shooting them down on sight.
number 229 sebuloni kamutanda,you have just admitted that Bembas are very promiscuous! Am referring to the comments you made recently about the Livingstone city council.
Senior Citizen should read “Senior MMD Cadre No.1”. Is this another product of our local university???
# 191 @yahoo.com says:
What contribution are you making on this platform iwe kamimbya.You aint gat anything to contribute here,just go jump!
Chiluba go to hell and please disappear we do not want to be taken for granted with your sweet talk. JUST GO AWAY
Chi – Ka FTJ short man, stop the lunacy. Zambians will not be diverted from removing RB and Mulongoti combined from power come 2011. FTJ is our chief campaigner for the PACT, busy diluting MMD and annoying people on the way. Well done Mr. FTJ well done, you are making the PACT win easy.
Today U condemn Mr. Sata but you campaigned for him ceasslesly in 2006. Since you knew his past and u had his dossier, why did you do that in 2006?? At least Ba SATA did not know you fully until Levy explained to him things he un-earthed/found out about Chiluba. You I.D.I.O.T. Continue destroying MMD.
# 191 @yahoo.com says:
What contribution are you making on this platform iwe kamimbya.You aint gat anything to contribute here,just go jump!…….
Zairean, fatherless, pygmy and moneky in one.
What I gather from all this is that Chiluba did not start the fight but Sata started it. Chiluba is a respondent in this matter. He did well to call a press conference. At a press conference the media MUST ask questions. Did they do that? This is better than what we always get from polititians who give their opinions only through telephone interviews with a favourite outlet. BUT here is the moral of the story: NEVER START A FIGHT BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT FINISH IT.
KACHILUBA NIBANGA ABAKASHANA WABIKA IMITWE? EVEN BY THE TIME YOU WERE THE PRESIDENT WALEBIKA BANAMAYO IMITWE. WATAMPILE UKUBIKA REGINA UMTWE WHILE SHE WAS STILL MARRIAGE KULI MWAZA.
CHIKALA CHOBE WABA UBWAMBA UBWIPI NGA WAMU CHINA. WAKABWA WE
Sebuloni Kamutanda
All that may be true but it is not Chiluba who started talking about affairs it was Sata. Indeed this is the first time in our political history that our poiliticians are now talikng about affairs of others. Where will it end? We shall have all sorts coming up and surely should we sink so low as a people as to become voyeuristic? There is much to be done in Zambia and knowing who sleeps with who will not tar a road. Knowing whose father is who, will not build a hospital. Knowing who is homo… or hetero… will not reduce unemployment. Christianity is not morality. Chiluba accepts that he is a sinner saved by grace, Sata doesn’t.
# 243 and # 240 why are you posting the same comment. why are you trying to be two pipo when you are just one person.You see you are so dull you cant even fool yourself. Just come back home to Zed, You are just suffering there in America. We Know you only have sneakers and pierced ears but we will still welcome you home. It is better to be with family and suffer than suffer and be an illegal immigrant.
The Bible clearly teaches that true repentance results in a change of behaviour, so far Chiluba hasnt changed. a little leaven leavens the whole lump. Chiluba is a criminal, he parades a stolen wife Regina daily. I dont understand how he can be glorified. He has even said forming a Church. Well, a church of adulterers. maybe ….Lol.
chiluba thinks people have short(no pun intended) memories he might have done some unselfish things in power,but he betrayed the trust and hope and aspirations we citizens placed in him in 1990.How can a man with conscience wear rolex watches,suits made in europe which cost $10,000 a pop while the majority of zambians subsisted on $2 a day he should have waited untill his policies brought some relief to poor zambians.you can’t eat democracy he talks about, you have to have patience.jealousy and envy are a great sin he was looking at his brother north of the border and wanted to dress and behave like him
The Saint, was Chiluba’s press conference open to all journalists? was there questions from the journalists or he just spoke the Tiger woods stlye and left alot of unanswered questions
How a former president can be so petty and sink so low. It just sums up the mediocrity and the unsuitability of the leadership of our country. It is very dangerous for Mr Chiluba to even reveal some confidential information that he was privileged to as head of state just because he wants to ‘fix’ Mr Sata. Clearly Mr Chiluba is being used by someone BIG for campaign purposes. Yes, Mr Chiluba we know the ruthlessness of the dictatorship of your predecessor and how it cost many of their lives, but maybe you forgot to mention your dictatorship which also cost many their lives and in addition your record breaking plunder. We expect Mr Sata’s fiery response and the stage will be set for a dirty and violent campaign for 2011. We know who will be held responsible.
hahahah iye number 248, these are the chaps i like. i like your style wawumfwa? *wink* *wink*. deuces you ka cool buddy:)>-
#248 @yahoo.com. Why do you desperate Zambians think every person who emigrated is suffering? You are the id i ots that “worship even gullible whites who could not make it in their countries but when they come to a monkey country like Zambia they are kings.
.i see most of u who ve made comments here are bitches that have bn sponsored by RB to live abroad. live while u can but always remember that …………………. you will find a Zambia when you come back . now which type of Zambia do you want to find ? cause i see you dnt care about the relatives that you have left here. and you think by sending a few dollars you love them .may fire consume all of you .
Walai mputi yobe you are the one who posted that post bwamber bobe! Kawiso nika Kiluba. Kiluba fye uyuwine. Ka kolwe. Kaili one wonders why he even managed to lead fellow monkeys like you.
#255 Ras. People who post on here are not even outside the borders. Batata Ni ITC iyi! Mwata/Nshinya Citizen is Kabompo batata.
Clearly there is nothing to implicate Hichilema (HH), he worked for a private firm and the firm was hired to liquidate Luanshya mine at fee, a percentage of the total sell. The figures given by Chiluba clearly shows that Grant Thornton got 31% of the total selling price. This is 1/3 of the price the mines were sold and it is a figure naturally used by consulting firms. There is nothing to implicate Hichilema on this.
But Dr. Fredrick Chiluba has challenged opposition Patriotic Front leader Michael Sata to respond to the issues raised against him during yesterday’s press conference instead of dodging them by insulting and making derogatory statements against him.
Dr. Chiluba through his spokesperson, Emmanuel Mwamba questions Mr. Sata’s morality for persistently insulting him.
Mr. Mwamba explains that Dr. Chiluba is not interested in petty and dirty politics which the PF leaders is perpetrating and forcing him into.
Mr. Mwamba says Mr. Sata has constantly insulted Dr.Chiluba by questioning his life style, spiritual, social and political life, for a very long time.
He has since challenge the PF leader to answer the questions raised by the former president during his press conference on Sunday…
Among other things, Chiluba accused Sata of fathering children outside marriage and also having worked against freedom fighters.
“ Were you a colonial police constable or a freedom fighter, Chiluba asked Sata.
Did you resign from the colonial police force or you were dismissed? And if so for what reason were you dismissed? It is not for me to tell, you tell the nation yourself because we want to know you, you seem to be the perfect gentleman but let us know the background. Let the Zambian people know the truth about you so that they are not in any doubt about the leader of PF.”
“On 19 September I think last year Mr Sata condemned me for pretending I am a born again Christian yet I am going with a woman I took away from a certain man. But my marriage to Regina was…
Good Debate lets see where this thing goes
But you the moralist Mr Sata can you tell me, are you a man of one wife or you are a polygamist? I am just asking questions. It’s for you to answer.
Sir, can you tell me who is Petronella Mpundu, a biological sister to Bishop Mpundu of the Catholic Church, who is she to you? Do you have any relationship with her, can you tell the country, not me?” Chiluba asked. “Are the two children Mukupa and Chilufya your children? Are you the biological father of Mukupa and Chilufya? Did you by any chance consummate your marriage with her in a Bemba customary arrangement known as ichombela ng’anda traditional marriage or not?
Mr Sata is a moralist he will come out to tell us. who this young woman who was working for the Ministry of Finance in Lusaka but now is in ndola working for BOZ,…
TELL TELL US SHIKULU, WHY RUN TO SUING WHEN YOU HAVE SAID THE ZAMBIAN COURTS ARE USELESS SO WHY ARE YOU GOING TO THE SAME JUDGES TO TRY TO HIDE FROM FTJ. SO YOUR COURAGE IS ONLY WHEN YOU BARK LIKE A DOG BUT YOU ARE ACTUALLY A WIMP. SATA WHAT A FAILURE. THE YOUNG MAN HH IS STILL THINKING WHAT TO SAY. WHAT A HYPOCRITE!!!!
Senior Citizen you must realize the Mr. Chiluba is a desperate man who go to any extent to secure his freedom. Just look at these points from TVZ news which I watched yesterday.
1) Constituency Development Funds- He wants to know where the PF controlled councils have take this money. They cannot know because the disbursement of this money is done by the District Commissioners who actually MMD cadres. In fact it’s a known fact that this the money being used by MMD whenever a top MMD official visits a town.
2) Repairs of roads. This a function of the Road Development Agency. In any case can Chiluba tell the nation what projects the MMD can point to since they took over government in 1991 to 2006 when they were in control of the CB?
3) Who created us a breed called ex-miners? It was him…
#262 King Solomon. Stanyoko! Noko amabol o ubunono!
3) Who created us a breed called ex-miners? It was him and Mwanawasa sold Luanshya and Nchanga mines to bogus companies. To day he comes to fool us by collecting desperate individuals as ex miners.
Iwe Senior Citizen ! How senior are you? You sound like you are also red-lipped……praising whoever sounds RBish so you can get free medicals. Grow up..!
4) He has run out of ideas and now he has resorted to slander. I feel sorry RB especially that he is allowing Moses Chapwe alias Katumbi to lay claim to our property. This property Katumbi is claiming was amassed using Chiluba’s influence and dubiously. So to you senior Citizen it is okay?
Clearly there is nothing to implicate Hichilema (HH), he worked for a private firm and the firm was hired to liquidate Luanshya mine at fee, a percentage of the total sell. The figures given by Chiluba clearly show that Grant Thornton got 31% of the total selling price. This is 1/3 of the price the mines were sold and it is a figure naturally used by consulting firms. There is nothing to implicate Hichilema on this.
Clearly there is nothing to implicate Hichilema (HH), he worked for a private firm and the firm was hired to liquidate Luanshya mine at fee, a percentage of the total sell. The figures given by Chiluba clearly show that Grant Thornton got 31 percent of the total selling price. This is one third of the price the mines were sold and it is a figure naturally used by consulting firms. There is nothing to implicate Hichilema on this.
# 254 i didnt say everyone who has migrated is suffering, i specifically pointed out to that chap Zambiatta/ navala kabudula. He is definitely suffering and all he has to show for his life in America is a pair of Nike Tukkies , a cell phone may be and pierced ears with a borrowed accent. Looking at your attack on me i m thinking you are not far off as well. Boss no shame if things are bad just hop on home mate,
deja vu you are wrong on all three issues.
1. CDF funds are managed by District Development Committees that comprise councillors, local MP’s and the District Commissioners. In PF controlled councils the PF is mz\jority on the committees and they are the ones who decide how this money is spent not the DC. DC has his own budget as DC’s are under the Office of President, Cabinet Office
2. Roads in council areas are responsibility of councils not RDA. RDA is only responsible for trunk roads outside the district council area.
3. Privatisation is an MMD policy and not just for FTJ or Levy. The mines had no investment for many years yunder KK and in fact today in private hands they are producing more copper at lower cost.
get your facts right and dont embarass yourself online
257 . i don t see how a 1 in Kapompo can make such a comment unless he is sponsored by RB . i mean i ve bn to kapompo and **** only a dog can live in that place and be happy .
Chiluba is a lunatic, an id!ot why was he supporting Sata the other year if he knew was a wrong chap. You have gone an extra mile buy saying you as a christian followed all the marriage procedures after “snatching Regina from Mr. Mwanza. The bible is against these deeds including marry another wife after you devorce with cause.
Chiluba useless you cannot compare your mistakes with others nangu mulande S
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King Solomon – MWANA I CAN ASSURE YOU 99% OF OUR POLITICIANS HAVE MORE THAN 1 GIRL/WIFE
ba zambwe insults will not take you anywhere. lets debate facts unless you are an ignorant ill educated person like your shikulu sata or are you one of his illegitimate children, mukupa or chil;ufya??
FTJ you are a shameless midget! Have people forgotten when he sang “ubushimbe nabu peshamano”, while eyeing Regina. This is the time for people who were shielding him while systematically he replaced Princess Wina with Regina. I pray that people will ignore this thief as those uttarances will not feed or clothe poor Zambians!!! People should think twice and I wonder if our Presidents death was indeed natural!!!! People are whispering…………………..
Chiluba useless you cannot compare your mistakes with others nangu mulande Sata wesu kabili ni President. :((:d/:-?:-\”[-(:((:d:)\::o
thats true deja vu, thats true but why should sata speak against his friends and claim as if he himself is a saint. he is the one who started the debate and now he has been called out. chiluba has never said he has no past. we all know his past but he has changed after becoming a christian. even the late levy had children from two different women and he had maureen as a girlfriend before divorcing madame ziba. sp why cant sata tell us the truth then?
Your insults are not called for # 265, Keep your calm, King Solomon should not get to your head. We all know its Chiluba or MMD that have no regard for the courts. They have made the courts to drag its feet to register the london ruling. King Solomon you need to realise that PF/UPND is a pact so one answer should be enough. There is no time for speeches and conferences its time to work
sata will be dealing with this fall out all the way to 2011 and he will be distracted. FTJ has nothing to lose and so he will happily fight it out with sata and as we all know the ka chap for all his other vices is a damn good politician!!! let the games begin. sata has already failed in game one by suing and calling FTJ mad rather than responding fully to the question posed. that is a sign of panic from sata. HH is Zee manige because he does not really know how to rerspond. if he says yes I did know that GT received the money then he has to explain why he went onto condemn FTJ for money he never even saw???? answers are needed
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King Solomon# 282, that where you are underestimating the mood of the country. 2011 is not about personalities but rather about change. Sata may be distracted but the voters are not. All we want is change. in 1991 KK told us that they will be total chaos if UNIP was voted out. It was supposed to be the end of the world.But we survived and we are going to make another change and we will survive again
Ba Senior Citizen, you seem to be over all issues and thinking that everyone is happy. FTJ should not start accussing others. It is a fact that FTJ stole somebody’s wife broad day light. FTJ is not telling us why HH should start Chiluba over all the monies that He stole from us poor Zambian. Was HH recieving money on behalf of FTJ? Please spare us with those useless accusations of your neighbour and just return Regina to the rightful owner.
On Sata having other children outside marriage, why did you appoint Him as your third highest ranked fellow in your cabinet if He was a wrong fellow? You did approve him and so its too late bwana Chiluba, we need Sata and HH to sortout the mess you left us with.
Can those of you back home in Zambia gives the mood or the atmosphere after yesterday’s conference? Any latest on news , radio? are the people in state of shock. Please give us an update
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King Solomon – That is where you are wrong again. Chiluba does not want people to know his past. Remember, he refused a DNA test with his father Mr. Chabala Kafupi. This man is a Congolese from Chief Kisamba, Kasenga District that is why Chiluba did not want that DNA. Remember he had put in close of parent hood just to stop KK from standind and sometimes I get upset how you Zambians easily forget. The chap even made a trap for his wife so that he could divorce her and marry Regina.By the way just try to check which relatives are from Chiluba’s father side. I ask you so that you can prove that the guy is not 100% Zambian.
This filthy slime of a short man! Can’t he keep quiet? What a worthles press conference! And to scandalize Sata and HH in public like that, you only have it coming. Chiluba should be told in no uncertain terms that he is a criminal, a thief. It is common knowledge that he grabbed Regina from Mr. Mwanza. This sinnful lazo has no repentence. Only a wicked man would rejoice in his own filth.
Dear fellow wise bloggers with coming of the new facilite am appealing to all of you to complain whenever SENIOR CITIZEN posts obnoxious comments to keep this site clean. The more of us complain the quicker his comments will be taken down automatically.
Two quick points , first ras at 273, the kabompo situation is not the result of RB, it is a result of many years on underdevelopment partly due our own history, the world order and the political managemnt of the country under colonialism, UNIP and MMD. and it will not change significantly for the next five to ten years> the residents of these areas are not under a misconception that a change in govt will automatically change their status. That is why an intellgent reident of such an area will make an informed decision on who to surport and issues of who stole who’s wife. the consitution or internet accesn are not iogh on the agenda for making a decision
Ibange libi @ 284. One question I ask when you talk about change is what change are we talking bout Sata was until recently MMD at a senior level and while in MMD he was a reflection of all that went wrong in the party. He only left when he was sidelened for paryt presidency. What changes do you expect to come from him???
You see the issue is that Chiluba has been insulted and derogated to the maximum possible limit by the post-mmembe, Sata, HH and all and sundry. So he has nothing to lose but everything to gain by engaging in such mudslinging. Not so for those two “aspiring” presidential candidates namely Sata and baby sata HH. When you want to be president the last thing you want is negative publicity which you know you cannot defend because it is true no matter who says it. I am sure baby sata HH has come to rue the wretched day when he decided to rub shoulders with scam like Sata, against all advice from reasonable people! Exit HH, UPND mysriep courtesy of HH.
Iwe ka Chiluba just shut-up..!! if you live in a glass house dont throw stones..what ever you say about the PF or Sata wont distract us from removing your shielders from office come 2011….kuya bebele..just be ready to go to prison, coz your cases shall surely be revisited..nokupola nomba naupola, kakabwalala iwe..
I join millions of other noble patriotic Zambians in registering our gratitude for these fertile frontiers opening up as useful opportunities.Here is Sata going to the same justice system he has been defaming everywhere as courts of the MMD which are anti justice, corrupt, impossible to deliver justice and operating illegally.I have no doubt that these baseless suits of a cornered thug on raised grounds will be thrown out with cost.What a paradoxical sore loser loser embattled on all moral fronts.
The MMD strategic campaign machinery with RB should instead stay steadfast around the country with national agenda of development, transformation and total stability.Let the devil incarnate stay entangled with his acts of aberrations.Let Zambians of noble character open him up more fronts. Nangu ichalo chalititwa, kuti twayonawina nechinangwa ichi for leadership? A chap who cannot read or write?
Does he receive the Eucharist after fathering 5 children with the first wife, then Kaseba and now Petronela Mpundu sister of His most outspoken Mpika Bishop? Who is Petronella Mpundu, a biological sister to Bishop Mpundu of the Catholic Church? Do you have any relationship with her? Are her two children Mukupa and Chilufya your children? Are you the biological father of Mukupa and Chilufya? Is it consistent with catholicism? Didn’t Bishop Mpundu know this which Sata has just accepted?
Why did he vehemently oppose the independence of Zambia in 1964 and worked oppressively for the his erstwhile masters as an oppressor constable against the progressive independence crusaders even when all Zambians had line-up pro-independence? Why did run away later on to the UK following independence only to be a cook and kaboyi for the same oppressors when patriotic Zambians he opposed were emancipating the country?
If he has a political science degree from Matero University, Why does he fail to write coherently minutes to the point of disgracing the entire party and landing a vote of no confidence?Why does he write in Taiwanese with comas from the beginning of a sentence and question marks in place of commas.Political Science is reading and writing intensive degree a person who fails to write cannot pull through.Hon.Mwaanga as SG of MMD had been timely submitting immaculately written party reports, Paul Tembo use use to and Dr.Katele does so all in English, but why this devil incarnate failure?
Why was he lying against his personal enemies to the President to get them deported as PNG when the State Security had found nothing wrong about those individuals? Was it his job to force people deported.Can he face innocent people he was framing up? He is likely to face these people now inn kind.
On return from his bukaboyi in London, did he join the Alice Lenshina’s Lumpa sect movement which was forcing urine and death on Zambians?
#248 @ YAHOO – your comment is really funny, ati you are so dull you cant even full yourself….hahaha
Yes ba Criminal you still have a say, wait for 2011. After 2011 Tourist will not help you because he will go back to Chipata to settle on his farm unlike you fighting for land in highly density Lusaka.
For Zambia to move, we need to get rid of all these sick politicians and start on a clean plate. All these f555ls are filthy and dirty. They have out lived their useful ness. Kachiluba mighty have fought my liberty and liberalization of our economy but he did it wrong, leaving many Zambia empty an poor.
Has anyone noted that the filthy midget has conveniently left out his perennial nemesis- the Post- in this scathing attack. Could it because he’s uncovered no dirt about the Post or he’s simply scared they would spank him silly if he made a mistake to drag their good name into mud? About HH and to a resounding apprause from SENIOR CITIZEN he incoherently mumbled childish stuff failing to hit the nail home by say ‘HH in-fact took part in the loot’. So reading through the B.S my conclusion is the that he called the press briefing to only tell the nation Sata has children out of wedlock. In any case polygamy isn’t a crime if done under customary law but grabbing another man is a civil case. It’s unfortute Mr Mwanza has kept quiet because of a few pieces of silver but one day he’ll…
ba senior citzen learn to work as well, or are u paid only to blog? eishi your taste of opinion is not the best. too many postings from you. learn to be a useful citizen to wherever u are by being committed to work as well.
BREAKING NEWS!
Petronella Mpundu, a biological sister to Bishop Mpundu of the Catholic Church and mother of Sata’s two children;Mukupa & Chilufya Sata an employee of the Bank of Zambia, Ndola branch has offered to testify in the courts of law that one Michael Sata on a hypocritical moral platitude is in active p-i-g-a-m-y with her with full concert of the Roman Catholic Bishop Mpundu.Untill now she says Sata treats her as his third wife and sleeps with her whenever he is on the Ndola. And in national security data interest, the Government of Zambia is in retention of all Sata’s colonial Government Police background record which every President constitutionally accessed. Besides his failure to read and write, his colonial record is one ground why all President say he is a misfit for…
mukasima,
If think a good business school education in the USA would keep you from landing best gains in any vocation of choice, you are deluded.What i make in a month can enumerate you for the whole.What you make in a month i make it on one business consultancy project undertaking.If anything out of my pocket, i can even give you a full international college scholarship in a two or four year degree program. If you follow me, you will die poor.
FTJ, you are very annoying even after the destruction you brought to this nation you have the nerve to talk, look at how you destroyed the copperbelt, how you spent millions of Zambians money to dress yourself and go galavanting around the world, you still insult us by talking about how godly you are, Vengenance is mine saith the Lord and he will surely see to it that you explain for the sufferings of the many zambians. God be with you
I could not read the whole press conference. Too much stuff to read… can someone summarize?
With a few exceptions, this thread has brought out the most in all of us. Chiluba ruled most of our lives in Zambian memorable history. If anything, we should have the biggest say on how pathetic, diabolical and barbaric he has lowered himself. There is no reason under the planet why Chiluba should hold a press conference over his opinions and unnecessary truths. On an immoral scale, Chiluba has out-fukced Sata in the women category. If one analyses the press conference excepts, FTJC has done everything worse. I will pick my favourite as an example: The Eucharist. FTJC once took the Eucharist without being a catholic, remember? Who is worse, Sata or FTJC?
Catch-22!
FJT takes all his time before answering with detail and sagacity to the hate crusade and insults of Sata and his legion on him.When does it in a blue moon, he drops a B-52 bomber that penetrates the bone and marrow obliterating losers leaving some in total confusion running to the same courts they have been insulting.Catch-22!
Let RB stay steadfast in developing the country and issues of public value.
Well. This is not really a problem at all. It is just side lining us from the real issues of the country such as developing our villages. This is our level as a nation, so low….Bloggers raise the level to a higher degree of analysis. We have a future to take care of not these personalities.
SATA IDEAL FOR S-E-X THERAPY
Immediately all NGOs and the Catholic that give him Eucharist must work out a plan to take Michael Sata in for S-E-X THERAPY. He has proved to be a reckless s-e-x-u-a-l maniac enemy of the national anti HIV aids crusade. He is unfit for Plot 1. He would only take his –S-E-X-U-A-L perversion in there. He has to undergo some therapy to reform.
With bana Joyce Sata he had 5 kids without a record of divorce he went on to hock up ba Kaseba then Petronela Mpundu giving her 2 children not forgetting Joyce Nonde as a concubine.
He needs to go in a s-e-x chamber for reformation now. Before this he cannot enter plot one for fear of turning it into a s-e-x abattoir.
Senior Citizen nishi ubupuba nsana like this. it is a well known fact that few African men are in monogamous marriage. A number of Zambians have half brothers and sisters. This is Chiluba’ s third marriage as well. It is the nature they met. Everyone even flies know that regina was married then. Sata did not tell the Zambian public, it was the post when Chiluba was even still in power who exposed him.At least Sata has class, look at the educated women in his life, a school head, doctor, lawyer and now banker. Na mutina mudala. He has some charm and charisma. Not Chiluba from house wife to maid then mere secretary cadre turned prostitute politician.
He is an inferior race, how can we be allowing a pygmy to be controlling our nation from behind the scenes. Lets us be serious how can we be allowing Inturi Politics to determine who our leader will be. In Zaire they live in the bush, they not even allowed to be leaders, even with there civil war. Honestly lets wake up, Abash Inturi Forest Politics.
Its clear from these postings here that Chiluba is a disgraced short little thief and no one listens to him apart from Machungwa, Ben Mwila, Rupiah Banda.
Petty little f.o.o.l. Killed Paul Tembo and dares to speak of him today. I can’t wait to see this little **** rot in jail.
Is this language from a former President? Believe me that there is no leadership in Zambia. Chiluba will never stop washing dirt linen in public. Chiluba is not fit to be called an elderly person. Chiluba suffers from mouth diarrhea. Is this what you call former President´s press conference in Zambia? Useless.
Chiluba is still old business and should not concern anyone. he does indeed reserve the right to his political opinion and to support whom he wishes to. when he supported chi sata nobody said anything but now it is nawa oh!! it is politics and like he said it is a game of numbers. If a bunch of tribalists will support a buffon like shi chilufya then it only follows that even people who should not be a factor like chiluba will have a voice. our politicians are afterall a reflection of who we are. we have refused to have quality opposition and supported satas embarassing nonsense to the extent that we think it is ok for your wife to write your degree online just to attain high office.Shame!! we might as well send a lorry boy to represent us at international conferences. Uneducated thing iwe!
Zambian Politics! Useless. How can you. (I took a breath there) let this thief talk like that? This just makes me sick. I’m behind HH 100%. The is the olny credible man around.
POLITICS AT ITS BEST ..CHILUBA 5 …. SATA O
Turn Sata in for s-e-x-u-a-l rehabilitation now!
I’m trully disapointed in Chiluba.I was disgusted when I worked for UTH and we had nothing – no drugs,needles,bandages,swabs etc and this so called President was busy parading himself with our hard earned tax payers money.how can he now start insulting Sata? Why bring innocent children into this ugly mud slinging press conference. how will the so called Mukupa and Chilufya feel. If you are christian as you say you are and God asked you to preach to michael Sata where you would you start from after insulting him like this. We have no leaders in Zambia.God help us.Our elders just insult each other in the media like undisciplined teenagers.
CHILUBA WHY BRING THE CATHOLIC INTO THIS ? BE VERY CAREFUL MR.
Enough has been said about ka stompie. The chap is trying to appease RB to avoid jail time. 2011 is few months away. All those implicated in corrupt tendencies shall surely be dealt with. On his part, RB and his henchmen should never be allowed to run away from the country. We would like to see them in green uniforms and working in rice fields. RB should never think that his polygamous relative, Zuma, shall protect him. If that happens we shall cross the Limpopo river to fish him out.
“All minutes sounded more Taiwanese than the official language of English putting punctuations such as comma and full stop only where you stopped to breathe”
I would be very surprised if the National Secretary of MMD personally writes minutes of NCC meetings just like i don’t expect the secretary to cabinet to personally write minutes of cabinet. Also please remember that at that time Sata was also minister without Portfolio with a PS and auxiliary staff.
minutes of “NEC” not “NCC”
Chiluba clearly has nothing against HH. We are behind you youngman. VIVA HH not this classless i.d.i.o.t called Chiluba. He is so cheap and petty.
If you want to know Chiluba just ask NEWSTADY ZIMBA.
Ex-miners are petitioning his Excellency the president to instruct councils and the ministry of lands to expedite the issue of title deeds to people who bought houses under the empowerment policy. They argue that this procrastination is a deliberate political ploy by P. F to create areas of dissent in ex-miners against the government of president Banda whom they falsely accuse of neglecting the poor. This procrastination has robbed house owners of any opportunity to borrow money from established financial institutions due to lack of collateral which is held in the frozen title deeds.
This is a matter they consider rather urgent PLEASE LEAVE US OUT OF YOUR DESPARATION YOU PYGMY
The man under desparation and fear of Levy even ate the Roman Catholic Eucharist hoping it would give him devine powers to evade the law.
Talking about washing dirt linen in public, those old enough would remember how this filthy midget insulted his ex-wife in Kitwe at the time he was wrestling Mr Mwanza for Regina. At his age he wasn’t even ashamed to be singing ‘ubushimbe bwampesha amano’ on the national TV.
This chap is a complete i.d.i.o.t. He has brought a lot of sufering to many. He even denied KK his pension. Today you same people are busy appeassing him.
Are we gonna allow this to go on the way it’s going ? and are we gonna continue to be played games like a game of chess ? let us put a stop to all these senseless things, it’s time to move on, take a look at S.A. if a President is not doing well according to the people “He Resigns.” but it only happens in Zambia were people continue to praise even ******.
I can see Pact (or is PF) zealots failing to come to terms with the facts laid on the table. Facts are facts no matter who states them. Understandably this is too much to fathom for anybody who thought PF was flying high. The only way they know is the way of insults. Sorry guys, surely when you look at Cobra and RB, can’t you see that RB is presidential and the other one I do not know what!
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Kunda – Am not PF but I cant see any facts from this Congolese’s rantings. It is like the game we used to play as Zambian children. If this is your campain strategy, I feel sorry for you. I regret the day we included this foreigner in MMD. He has brought shame to the party. You are Unip and happy since you are ruling throgh RB.This man was sleeping with some ones wife while he was still married to Vera so whan be more evil than this.He knows if HH becomes President, there will be place for him FTJ to hide.
#223 We are what we are because of people who think like you. Haven’t you heard of a Ghanian who commander a space ship at NASA. Aren’t you are aware of a Zambian working at NASA? The whites you think are supperior are daylight robbers who have stripped Africa of its resources including human skills. Be black and accept that you are black but that should not make you a lesser person than a white guy.
Assistant MMD Chief Boot Licker says:
February 22, 2010 at 10:56 amRB = Development
RB = Prosperity
RB = Christianity Nation
RB = Good listener
RB = Educated
RB = President for 2011
I like it.
:-PF-UPND leaders can plainly be known by the abusive statements they publicly use…I’d never cast my vote for thugs.Tiyenda Ndi Banda mu 2011 noti Bakabova aba shakwata umuchinshi !!! :-w:-w:-w:-w:-w
2011 Zambia just needs a change to be away forever from the crazy MMD.
Chiluba is a useless complaining dwarf from here to the grave
Book Sata in for s-e-x rehabilitation. He needs to be confined for months in a restricted s-e-x therapy facility.
FTJ CHILENDE WAMU BABYLON.
Elo naimwe ba Patriot aka Senior Citizen/ Veteran who grabbed somebodys wife? Chiluba. Mr Mwanza was paid off by FTJ so that there wouldn’t be a scandal. Everybody has skeletons, but silence is golden. Chiluba should just keep quiet and just retire in a cage preferably a prison somewhere.
It is a pity some bloggers have been paid. Shame on you, shame you FTJ too you days are number. I sign off.
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