Former president Frederick Chiluba has described opposition PF president Michael Sata as an opportunist who comments on anything and has urged him to accept that his support for President Rupiah Banda was irrevocable.
Dr Chiluba said through his spokesperson Emmanuel Mwamba that some people have committed resources to trail and plant mobs to embarrass him.
“We are surprised by Press reports alleging that Dr Chiluba said in Chambishi “the late president Levy Patrick Mwanawasa turned courts into playgrounds like Nkana Stadium in the eight years of his (Mr Mwanawasa) presidency.
“We chose to ignore these false reports fearing that our rebuttal would dignify this lie. However, we are alarmed that this fabrication is now a basis for comments and reactions from politicians such as Mr Sata,” he said.
Mr Mwamba said it was surprising that reactions and opinions are now being formed on a statement that was never made.
“We, therefore, urge opportunistic commentators such as Patriotic Front leader Mr Michael Sata and the so-called Dr Cosmo Mumba to seek clarification and the truth before making wild statements and demands,” he said.
[pullquote]“We are surprised by Press reports alleging that Dr Chiluba said in Chambishi “the late president Levy Patrick Mwanawasa turned courts into playgrounds like Nkana Stadium in the eight years of his (Mr Mwanawasa) presidency.
“We chose to ignore these false reports fearing that our rebuttal would dignify this lie. However, we are alarmed that this fabrication is now a basis for comments and reactions from politicians such as Mr Sata,” he said.[/pullquote]
The ploy by some people to block him from moving freely was a hindrance on his fundamental human rights.
“This is now interfering with his fundamental freedom of movement, of expression and other rights. We wish to advise that the planned activities against Dr Chiluba are becoming criminal and the police should not hesitate to pursue the perpetrators,” Mr Mwamba said.
Meanwhile, Dr Chiluba has described as strange the desperate panic by Patriotic Front (PF) leader Michael Sata and some sections of the media over his activities.
Mr Mwamba said while the former president was in retirement, it did not exclude him from attending to petitions from members of the communities who seek his intervention.
[ Times of Zambia ]
Ka Chiluba, who does not know that you celebrated when you learnt of Levy’s demise. The writing is on the wall. we all know this. You wanted to have the stolen wealth and stolen wife for your exclusive enjoyment but Levy found out that you were a thief hence your prosecution. Now the heart disease strangley is gone and you have leaned on RB for survival. Why you have a right to sleep with RB, dont bore us with how sweet RB is? thats for you alone to know. F.U.C.K the short man with long thieving hands.You stole $2m dollars together with B.Y money menat to buy arms which has never been delivered up to now. George Kunda secured a conviction against you in the London courts so what are you saying??? I.D.I.O.T and no appologies to anybody. Chiluba stole from Zambians, our wealth and our tax.
We Shilu we! What did you do for those people when you were the President? Wechipuba we! Who does not know that you have been employed as a campaign manager for RB? We chiwelewel we! Who does not know that you are against Levy Mwanawasa ideologies? During Levy’s time you were lying of suffering from heart condition while it wast just fatigue from prosecution. Wempapa yamuntu! Who has been telling the truth between you and the post? Kolwe we! Whose wife is convicted of receiving stolen items from you? Spare us from your nonsense please. Give us a break of your nonsense and if possible go back to Congo.
Ka swine aka nensoni takakwata.
Throwing all sorts of insults at FTJ, really changes nothing of the character of the father of PF. Opportunism is in his nature, if you look back to as far back as 3rd term campaign, we all know who was at the centre of it, and how he would have been a beneficiary of a breach of the constitution. What about 2006, when he was ever sending off and receiving FTJ, promising freedom in exchange of his support. Just recently we again learnt how opportunistic he is threatening to leave pact if he is not president, so FTJ, tell us something we dont already know.
Iyee, ba ‘Zingilila uku tikumane’ namufulwa kwena! anyway, this ka chiluba deserves what you’ve said about him.
iwe ka chiluba jus take yo ka short m.b.o.l.o to hell !! u,r such a worthless chap
How many fights will FTJ fight with people? unfortunately thre are no people his size to fight with maybe Chanda Bue.
Humility does not run in that mans blood:o
Chiluba should not celebrate on Levy’s misfortune. How come Chiluba did not make these comments when Levy was alive. He has a short man problem. Sata is right to comment on anything as everything in the country is going wrong. Chiluba should shut up as he is a thief. Zambians are suffering because he stole all the money from the donors and claimed the money has his. What a laugh, the longer you hung around with RB, he will also see his downfall.
SATA NA shall never rule Zambia…….
LT Please Check # 6 Why publish insults
#9 dogma998 – Are speaking for yourself or for all Zambians? Man if Sata is not barred by your rotten system, SATA will win by 51%. If you manage to bar him HH will take over and your SHORTY will dance to the people’s music
1)He claims that the people of Southern Province have vowed not to vote for Patriotic Front Leader Michael Sata if he is the one who is going to contest the presidency on behalf of the pact.
2)Mr Mabenga adds that it is also clear that the people of Northern Province cannot vote for Mr Haikainde Hichilema in the event he was the pact’s candidate
These are conflicting statements. Tongas, Mabenga implies can not vote for a Bemba, but within the same stinking mouth he says Tongas will not vote for HH if he is adopted by the PACT. All these are cheap words to please RB by finished Mabenga.
THESE ARE STATEMENTS BY MR MABENGA
“The Tongas relationship with Bembas is a pure case of Horse and rider”
We understand the tonga people’s sense of betrayal considering that their dream of “Tonga only for Presidency has remained a far fetched myth in Zambia. It has only produced Hichilema from nowhere to fit into the big shoes of Mazoka. Unfortunately, it has been sold out to a tribal warlord without national posture. Its sad that all core management leaders whom Mazoka trained and nurtured for leadership such as Patrick Chisanga, Robert Sichinga, Sakwiba Sikota, Henry Mtonga and Kahaye have all been unceremoniously chased from the party with spears.
To make matters worse, the tongas’ memory is fresh that in pre-independence politics they compromised on Nkumbula for KK so that this time it becomes their turn.
Tongas vividly know that Sata can never sell through at national level which automatically leaves them in another decade of opposition politics with MMD heading for its 25th year reign in power. “The Tongas relationship with Bembas is now a case of Horse and rider” with Tonga being the horses.
WAPYA MUNZI- 2011 #10 oso u take yo small m.b.o.l.o to hell !!
“The Tongas relationship with Bembas is a pure case of Horse and rider”
1964-tongas horses
1972-tongas horses
1991-tongas horse
2011- tongas horses
“The Tongas relationship with Bembas is now a case of Horse and rider” with Tonga perpertually being the horses.
VIVA SATA VIVA HH
iwe chi mwata take yo mades to hell
Please, you Lusaka Times why are you allowing to publish insults honestly? Please it is too much freedom of speech. Help
#13 Mwata- To you Patriotism is to support MMd even to the extent of making a rift between the Tongas and Bembas?
Deja Vu,
My dear i’m making no rift but restating the facts there for every one. Tell me how and where i’m making the rift? Go around southern province and survey as much sample as you want on this issue.
“The Tongas relationship with Bembas is a pure case of Horse and rider”
1964-tongas horses
1972-tongas horses
1991-tongas horse
2011- tongas horses
“The tonga speaking people’s relationship with Bembas is now a pure case of Horse and rider” with Tongas being the horses.
“Former president Frederick Chiluba has described opposition PF president Michael Sata as an opportunist who comments on anything”
The same Mr. Sata supported your third term bid and supported you when you were facing corruption charges. PF bloggers like Kalos2020 even supported you and castigated Late Dr. Mwanawasa.
It is amazing that the same Mr. Sata who loved you so much as to support your third term bid would today insult and defame you in the media. Mr. Sata is a populist political noise maker we are all tired of. His inconsistencies are out of this world. This is the reason PF bloggers never say anything coherent but blog insults on LT 24/7.
The riders and the horses ARE BOTH ZAMBIAN but Mwata does not recognize that FACT.
He will cause a riot just so he can break a window and steal something.
True SATA is a desperate oppotuinist. Even you Chiluba you are a desperate THIEF. So you are both “ba wrong”. But continue throwing mud at each other. May be a thief can be an equal to a lumpeni kaponya. We are watching.
Capital Moron.
You label the insults are only as P.F.
How unique.
You sound like you have a grudge.
Don’t worry be happy.
Deja Vu,
Go ask them, would you subscribe to Sata’s incorrigible hatred for other ethnicities, his natural tribalism, chauvinism, illiteracy considering that tongas are educated, serve under Chishimba Kambwili, GBM, Willie Nsanda, Jane Kapata, Davis Mwila, Mumbi Phiri, Scorpion Kadobi, Mukuka etc. Realise that 97% of PF MCC leaders are bembas who are illiterate thieves. Give us 10 names of none bemba MCCs in PF other that Guy Scott there for imperialistic agenda and blackmailed Kabimba for his criminal past.
Ever wondered why intellectuals in UPND like Muntanga, Hachipuka, Jack Mwimbu, Musokotwane have all left HH to battle his curse of betraying and insulting Mazoka alone? Do you understand why they are finding it difficulty to serve under these Sata’s shadow ministers like…
Emmanuel Mwamba just says whatever s.h.i.t is given to him to read? What a stup1d job! Why cant chiluba just shut up coz he is just rubbing pipo up the wrong end!
MMD bloodbath of lies,
Facts are all here for everyone:
“The Tongas relationship with Bembas is a pure case of Horse and rider”
We understand the tonga people’s sense of betrayal considering that their dream of “Tonga only for Presidency has remained a far fetched myth in Zambia. It has only produced Hichilema from nowhere to fit into the big shoes of Mazoka. Unfortunately, it has been sold out to a tribal warlord without national posture. It’s sad that all core management leaders whom Mazoka trained and nurtured for leadership such as Patrick Chisanga, Robert Sichinga, Sakwiba Sikota, Henry Mtonga and Kahaye have all been unceremoniously chased from the party with spears.
# 23 MMD bloodbath of lies,
To make matters worse, the tongas’ memory is fresh that in pre-independence politics they compromised on Nkumbula for KK so that this time it becomes their turn.
Tongas vividly know that Sata can never sell through at national level which automatically leaves them in another decade of opposition politics with MMD heading for its 25th year reign in power. “The tonga speaking people’s relationship with Bembas is now a pure case of Horse and rider” with Tongas being the horses.
“The Tongas relationship with Bembas is a pure case of Horse and rider”
Mwata. It is people like you who don’t want to see people of different tribes working together. Mediocre people like you and MMD can not develop Zambia. Rise beyond tribal thinking and politicking. Set yourself free from that backward reasoning. We would only judge the pact when the pact starts rulling.
And you Dogma, That is illogical reasoning. Never say Never. Who thought President Banda would become what he is today? Even your Grand father in Katete can one day become president. Anything is possible under the sun.
Bembas and Tongas are marrying each other very well. They have good and happy families. Ask the SDA church were a lot of Bemba-guys have maried Tonga-girls…..they are happy.
We are now living in a modern society where the archived Kingdoms have no place. There is no place for the Tonga kingdom, Bemba kingdom, Lozi kingdom, Ngoni kingdom, Mwata Kazembe kindom etc. Gone are the days when people thought like Mwata , senior Citizen , people now are working together regardless of their tribe. WHAT WRONG IS IT FOR TONGAS AND BEMBAS TO WOR TOGETHER? Our concern and focus should be working for the good of our country not tribal competition. COME 2011 , CIVILIZED ZAMBIANS ARE READY TO VOTE FOR THE PACT….either Sata or HH if made president. MWANYA BA MMD AND MINIONS.:)>-:)>-:)>-
Kambongolo,
Feed on your myth of good marriages and leave mature citizens prove the political and power narratives.
“The tonga speaking people’s relationship with Bembas is now a pure case of Horse and rider” with Tongas being the horses.
We understand the tonga people’s sense of betrayal considering that their dream of “Tonga only for Presidency has remained a far fetched myth in Zambia. It has only produced Hichilema from nowhere to fit into the big shoes of Mazoka. Unfortunately, it has been sold out to a tribal warlord without national posture. It’s sad that all core management leaders whom Mazoka trained and nurtured for leadership such as Patrick Chisanga, Robert Sichinga, Sakwiba Sikota, Henry Mtonga and Kahaye have all been unceremoniously chased from the…
mwata were have you been? I like your reasoning unlike these pf cadres who cant argue or put a point foward but just insult in typical bemba stlye. cosmo mumba isnt even a doctor i dont know why refer to him as dr. sata we know him he keeps on flipflopping. his memory is shallow easily forgets bcos dementia. he is a bum and FTJ is too clever for him. honestly did cobra think ftj was that dumb to hand over power to him. last man standing in ftj third term sata while all the wise men and women including loose nawakwi husband grabber left ftj and formed fdd. indeed ask hh why bena hachipuka matongo regina munakeembe are not with him. ask hh why his own chiefs are not with him its bcos they cant stand sata. hh you go with sata at your own peril good as dead upnd
Read the Nkumbula, Dr. Shiminzu SImaponda, Dr Simujaye, Hapunda and such founding fathers’s diaries which chronicle all issues since 1963.
Chiluba killed his children because he failed to provide them good education. During his terms they were business in shebeens in Thorn Park drinking beers.
His full time assignment was stealing from the poor. He may be short but has long hands.
Sata and HH are spoilers in the aspiration of the tonga speaking people trapped in raurels of compromises since 1963. With the dangerous incompetency, infantile politics of Hichilema which is devoid of strategy, negotiation skills and respect for history, “the tonga speaking people’s relationship with Bembas is now a pure case of Horse and rider” with Tongas being the horses.
Mhhh MMD thugs are woried now…they dont know how they will account for their deadly theft of Zambian taxes and now the donors monies. Mhhh, they are really confused such that they have started behaving tribal in every thing. They are also contradictig themselves. They are saying Tongas should not work with Bembas hence PF because Sata is PF president, but at the same time they want Tongas to work with MMD whose president is Chiluba- a Bemba. Mhhh , is there any sense of shame left in these people? I doubt. They are behaving so unbecoming of human beings.
Not only this, they have also extended their folly to the donor community.
Wow, this is madness of the MMD thieves at its best. :o:o:o
check the photo LT has put above to surely agree with FTJ that indeed ba COBRA is a big opportunist.
Dr.Chiluba i concur with you ,this i know it all in Sata’s behaviour has left a bad footprint.This(SATA),Jack of all Trades and master of none, wants to bulldoze everyone as he does in PF. Period
Chiluba has made Sata,to be what he is now,i expect Sata to stop throwing mad on chiluba.
# 37 Kambongolo,
In a mature democracy as ours, dreaming is your birth right no one will take away from. We hold clean democratic elections where candidates enter the race with equal winning chances. National wide vote count from the independent ECZ ballot boxes delivers the mandate. The Chief Justice is a constitutional presiding retaining officer confers the mandate. Any dispute is handled by the independent judiciary.So you see why you are irrelevant in this equation? You are a self defranchise voter, without impact, voice or momentum but burning with emotions vainly.
Cadres, learn to distinguish the message and its carrier. FJT is simply saying that the press report attributed to him is a falsehood by some “newspaper”. It beats me how some adult and otherwise intelligent Zambians can allow themselves to be caught under the spell of one mmembe. Everything that he writes is taken as truth even when it is clear as rain that mmembe has become a liar to his teeth.
Ka Chiluba, akabwamba ubwipi stanyoko
Mwata..Regina Musokotwane is a grade nine and does not qualify even in her wildest dreams to be an intellectual and its Kahenya if you are reffering to Tiens and not that name you have dreamed into life. Then the names are Dr. Luminzu Shimaponda, LLB, LLM, PhD, ASCZ., not Dr. Shiminzu SImaponda. The late was my lecutre in law school. Please concern yourself with things you are an expert in, nothing!
Mwata, i dont know what your goal is or what you are driving at but your coments are boring and suck! Your agenda on this particular topic is unknown and if you have a propaganda against Tongas stuff it up yours! Am not Tonga but the crap you are saying is not necessary. Can you perhaps find something else to talk about???
# 35mkaposa – Imagine the whole President having street children. What a shame.
Mwata should learn to be less sensetional in contributions to a public forum like this. This close to hate messages aimed at either ridiculing or provoking a group of people. Mwata should learn to tone down. He can still deliver the same information in a more civil way.
Mwata, please give us a ….break.Whats wrong with people reconciling?Whats the use of you bringing back healed wounds?Whats your goal?Enough with your ranting already!!!!!!!