CHIEF Mwanachingwala of the Tonga people in Mazabuka District has said he has been vindicated by his earlier statement that the Patriotic Front (PF)-United Party for National Development (UPND) Pact was headed nowhere as the two leaders rushed into an arrangement which was not supported by the majority.
And former PF general secretary, Edward Mumbi has said the emerging cracks in the pact had proved to his critics that he was right when he said it was not workable.
Chief Mwanachingwala said what was currently happening in the pact was merely the beginning of more problems to come.
Commenting on the apparent cracks in the PF/UPND Pact by competing against each other in Kaoma and Chadiza local government by-elections, Chief Mwanachingwala said yesterday that PF president Michael Sata had once indicated to him that UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema was an inexperienced politician.
“You just watch, some more problems are coming. For me, I knew that Mr Sata was not going to accept to be led. The whole arrangement was just a cheat,” he said.
He said Mr Sata went into the pact with the UPND just to marshal support from voters in Southern Province, a UPND stronghold.
Asked on what advice he would give Mr Hichilema, the traditional leader said there was no way he was going to counsel the UPND leader as he had insulted him.
He said Mr Hichilema should have apologised for the remarks he made against him. PF Matero Member of Parliament Faustina Sinyangwe echoed Chief Mwanachingwala’s sentiments over the happenings in the PF-UPND pact.
Ms Sinyangwe said there was no reason why two big parties could enter into a ‘gentleman’s’ agreement when forming a pact.
[pullquote]“You just watch, some more problems are coming. For me, I knew that Mr Sata was not going to accept to be led. The whole arrangement was just a cheat,” he said.He said Mr Sata went into the pact with the UPND just to marshal support from voters in Southern Province, a UPND stronghold.[/pullquote]
She said it was clear from the beginning that the two leaders were interested in contesting the Republican presidency. She said party members from both parties should have been consulted before the two leaders agreed to form a pact.
MMD youths on the Copperbelt have said the pact has no capacity to form Government. Provincial youth chairperson, Evans Chibanda said the pact leaders had been living on pretence even when they knew that there were serious problems within their party structures.
And Mr Mumbi said in an interview in Kitwe yesterday that what had happened in the pact was something many people foresaw because the pact had no foundation.
[Times of Zambia]
Mwemfumu mwe, teti mwaikalako tondolo sure? Why do you involve yourself in politics? Nasoni muliye
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I can see now that the Pact is the pain in the neck for most of these guys. Pact see this as an opportunity to iron out these mishaps.
And 2006 is not very long ago even for those with short memories. A poorly organized PF, at that time, nearly swept the MMD out of power. What about the 2008 presidential elections? Who can doubt Michael Sata’s very good performance in that election? Since 2006, PF has been in total control of all the key urban areas of Zambia.
YOUR ROYAL HIGHNESS YOUR PREDICTION IS BECOMING A REALITY. YOUR SUBJECT HAKAINDE HAS DESTROYED UPND BCOS OF GREED AND OVERRATING HIMSELF. IM UPND GOING TO MMD BCOS OF GREED ON HICHILEMAS SIDE
And these are areas that are cosmopolitan, comprising of people from all the regions of our country. This is a political party whose popularity has been growing at every election.
Who ever thought the PF of Michael and his friend Guy Scott in 2001 that only managed to win about three per cent of the vote in that year would be the PF of 2006, 2008 and today that cannot be written off in any election?
With or without pact, MMD is in trouble……
There is no need for the leadership of the MMD to rejoice over the problems of the PF-UPND pact because this is nothing compared to their own problems.
With or without the Pact, the MMD runs a very high risk of losing next year’s elections if they do not deal with the many issues that have put them in conflict with the Zambian people. First, the MMD has become increasingly associated with the most disagreeable messages and thoughts. And this must be appreciated as a deeply felt distaste, rather than momentary irritation.
SATAHAKAI GREED AND THE ONLY COMMON THING THEY SHARE IS REMOVAL OF MMD. THEY HAVE NO AGENDA FOR ZAMBIA AND THEIR BLINDNESS IS A STRENGHT TO RB. ZAMBIA IS BLESSED WITH A GREAT MADALA WHO HAS BROUGHT DEVELOPMENT AND STABILITY
Pact should just iron the differences, mmd has even bigger problems. There is no vindication on the Chief, the fact is he is being used by mmd to issue those statements. we know their tactics. The Pact is still strong and the only hope of forming govt next year. VIVA PACT!
#6 If you combine the votes of UPND and MMD then you still that Pf still a minority. If they were so strong, why did they have to enter in this directionless pact?
And they cannot dismiss it as a mere false perception caused by their political opponents or the media that is hostile towards them. They are linked to corruption and to harshness: thought to be uncaring about poverty, unemployment, healthcare; and considered indifferent to abuse of power. They are thought and seen to favour greed with a ‘devil take the hindmost’ attitude. Second, they are thought to be arrogant, insensitive and out of touch.
Corruption and the embracement of corrupt elements like Frederick Chiluba and his tandem of thieves has disgraced them in the eyes of the public. This has profoundly disappointed many people and disgusted many others.
Its time Pact supporters comforted themselves and follow M’membe advice in his editorial and part ways.There is still time for organisation than continue duping people about non-existent Pact and pretending all is well when the opposite is the truth.
Their perception is of corruption and unfitness for public service. And such distasteful perceptions can endure and do them damage for a long time.
They have to face these issues head-on and deal with them instead of banking on the collapse of the PF-UPND pact for political survival. People need a rest from them.
They certainly need to do a lot about themselves. They need better and different organisation. With or without the Pact, many problems lie ahead for them. And they don’t seem to know where they are headed – that is dangerous.
Rupiah Banda’s great achievement since he took over office in 2008 is directionless leadership: he appears to be in control, but no one knows where he is leading. All of us have made mistakes in our careers. But few people have been consistently wrong on most of the great issues that faced our nation as Rupiah has been. Rupiah seems to have failed even to define the purpose of his government other than just showing the nation how much they are in a hurry to enrich themselves.
The MMD has been guided by the wish to destroy their opponents; and by the determination to be re-elected next year. That is not a recipe for governing well.
We know that they have been trying very hard to find a way of undermining and destroying the Pact. All that one needs to do is read their newspapers – the Times of Zambia and Daily Mail – and see how much space they had allocated to this campaign. Probably theirs was fear of the unknown.
They were scared of what a united opposition can do to them and rightly so. What they didn’t know was that what they were scared of was just an idea, with no serious organisation behind it. The Pact is nothing but an idea for the electoral unity of PF and UPND. It is a pact brought about to win power.
Dedicated to the dying Pact – by Frank Sinatra
And now, the end is near,
And so I face the final curtain.
My friends, I’ll say it clear;
I’ll state my case of which I’m certain.
I’ve lived a life that’s full –
I’ve travelled each and every highway.
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Regrets? I’ve had a few,
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.
I planned each charted course –
Each careful step along the byway,
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
That will to win power is the one idea that the members of this Pact hold in common. But we know that pacts of this nature run into serious problems with the passage of time – with the passage of time, that will prove insubstantial glue. The discord we see today in the Pact may be no more than a small crab in a jar, but if not well handled and with utmost honesty and sincerity, it will grow.
Again, there is need for the MMD to realise that with or without the Pact, they stand a very high chance of losing next year’s elections.
Again, there is need for the MMD to realise that with or without the Pact, they stand a very high chance of losing next year’s elections.
They shouldn’t forget that despite the huge sums of money that Chiluba had diverted from state institutions and poured into the 2001 elections, the MMD can be said to have been defeated by UPND. And we have no doubt that UPND had won the 2001 elections had it not been for electoral fraud. And 2006 is not very long ago even for those with short memories. A poorly organised PF, at that time, nearly swept the MMD out of power.
What about the 2008 presidential elections? Who can doubt Michael Sata’s very good performance in that election? Since 2006, PF has been in total control of all the key urban areas of Zambia. And these are areas that are…
And these are areas that are cosmopolitan, comprising people from all the regions of our country. This is a political party whose popularity has been growing at every election.
Moreover, what matters is not whether there is a pact or not but what type of political organisation and mobilisation of the masses of our people is there. Actually, under the current organisation of the Pact, the opposition may not do that well because its militancy is being consumed by intra-pact discords; more of their time is being spent on trying to outdo each other in this or that area and to assume or maintain hegemony over the other.
This does not maximise their collective effort. It actually undermines them and pushes them below what they would be on their own
HH will be the biggest loser if the pact folds up, Sata is in his twilight therefore the lose will hurt him for only a few years and he will be out of the game altogether unlike him whos still relatively very young.
One would have thought HH was going to say ‘ ok bamudala you are about to kick the bucket tekeniko meanwhile’ and then take over after the state funeral.
But the real heart breaker will come when the new comers Milupi and Chipimo overtake him in politics proper or even win next year.
The experience of an alliance that presents one presidential candidate but competes among themselves at Parliamentary and local government levels has been confusing to the electorate even in situations where constituencies and wards are shared among the cooperating political parties,” “With the low literacy levels among our voters, it sounds funny to the electorate to be told by a campaigning parliamentary or council candidate that in the parliamentary or local government vote (which ever the case may be), vote for me but for the president, vote for candidate so and so from another party.
“It really does not make sense to an average voter. In fact, some candidates won’t even make an effort to campaign for the chosen presidential candidate if that candidate is not from their…
This must be a learning point for the UPND/PF pact; to convince the electorate that they are a two in one party may be a daunting task. It really does not make sense to an average voter. In fact, some candidates won’t even make an effort to campaign for the chosen presidential candidate if that candidate is not from their party. This must be a learning point for the UPND/PF pact; to convince the electorate that they are a two in one party may be a daunting task.
A merger presents one party though it needs sufficient time to be sold to the rank and file of the merging parties. But at the end of the day, It’s either one belongs to the new bigger party or moves on to another one. One of the problems we see in the UPND/PF Pact, even within the context of an alliance, is the delay in resolving and publicly announcing who shall lead the alliance in the 2011 election. It is folly to continue speaking in tongues on this matter and pretending that this decision will not have a backlash
There will be definitely dissent from some members of the pact, especially from the side whose president will give way to the other. This dissent will have to be managed and it is suicidal for the pact to think that they can handle all these problems on the eve of the 2011 elections since that is when they seem to be destined to announce their candidate. More time will be spent on internal fire-fighting than campaigning.”
made sense for the electorate to know who this candidate was early enough so that the public gave the alliance feedback and for the candidate to be sold in areas, which were not his stronghold.
“There will also be a challenge of sharing constituencies and wards between the two parties, especially if rogue politicians who will, at the last minute, jump from the ruling party or other opposition parties will be tolerated. Most, if not all, will expect to be adopted as candidates in their current constituencies but as wolves in sheep skin in the pact formation. The ruling party will just be too happy to exploit all this possible last minute confusion to its advantage
People’s memories are wakening up now. We almost voted for Sata at that time because democracy was still young, but come 2011 will not even get closer to MMD because many are scared of his behaviour now. The man is a cheat, the passport scandle in London where he accused a chinese portal to have stolen it, The voice of America talk where he sounded like a villager or a Kaponya from Garden-Chilulu bus stop, oh shame too many to mention. We do not need noise makers as presidents but men of action who will deliver for the country. We would rather retain Banda than having Sata in state house as our leader because he can cause danger to our society, his head is rotten indeed. Sata is the worst person Zambia can have as a president and 2008 was the furthest he could reach.
It’s all part of the process of life. But the future doesn’t belong to the fainthearted who give up or collapse when things don’t turn out the way they wanted them to be; it belongs to the brave. Who ever thought the PF of Michael and his friend Guy Scott in 2001 that only managed to win about three per cent of the vote in that year would be the PF of 2006, 2008 and today that cannot be written off in any election?
Quick fixes sometimes work but not all the time. This pact, in its current form and character, is a quick fix that may work or may not work. As such, it will be unwise for anyone to pin all his or her hopes on it. Hope for an effective pact but prepare to win next year’s election with or without it. As for the MMD, they should also prepare to lose next year’s election with or without the Pact because it is very possible for them to lose under either the Pact or PF and UPND going it alone.
“It should sink in the heads of the leaders of the pact that 2011 is not necessarily a given for them. They must earn it by presenting to the electorate convincing messages and people with a track record of integrity. They should also demonstrate better organisation and seriousness. The sooner a debate is allowed on the choice of their candidate, the better.”
Now this chief has started talking after burning sugar cane at Nakambala. It does not mean when there is one simple error about candidates at counsellor level then everything has been destroyed. Just wait what is going to the MMD towards the elections next year. Nyama soya will bring all the old UNIP chaps to contest on MMD ticket. Actually it is good this problem has come up now, it will help the pact to focus on important issues. MMD will fall when RB is still flying all over the World.
Many people told HH the nature of Sata but he went for it because he wanted unity in the country which was caused by regionalism. This man HH is a uniting factor and those who have had a chance to get closer to him like KK have confesed to the zambian public that he is a good leader. KK advised but we do not want to listen. As Zambian we should continue suffering because we want to postpone development by not putting the right person in leadership. We need to consult the old man KK for advise he knows more about HH they have been together for some time.
Anyone Can claim to be Pact Member and Register for the Ward Elections\:d/\:d/ This Could Be A Ploy!!:-\”:-\”:-\”.. The Pact for it to be Strong has to be Tested through such Fires:-@:-@:-@.
For Sure those from the outside would want to see this fail and They will Tend To speak the LOUDEST!
=))=))=)) Nature of Earthly Man..(:|(:|(:|(:|(:|(:| Lets Wait And See:)):)):)):)):))
His Excellency The Dread Of State Of The Public OF Zambia For Foreign Affairs Travel And Tour And Attendee For International Ceremonies And Conference And Closed Door Meetings With Other Head Of State, Precedent Ulupiya Bandarous .
This guy should be on Face Book so that his ministries can manage to get in touch.
The article represents wishes of opportunistic cadres like chief Mwanachingwala and the rest who have always prayed for the demise of the pact… and it’s not surprising that the article appeared in the times of Zambia. It must be a big relief for MMD and less work for the election engineer Vernon Mwaanga cause he can easily engineer a winner with a fragmented opposition.
You wish! People in marriages fight but they dont divorce,The Pact has really made a lot of simple minds panic.Come 6 August the results will again tell that MMD will not be anywhere near victory next year
#26; You are very right. Sata has always been a nuisance even when he was in the MMD. If he could behave so disgracefully on many occasions when he had little political power, one should shudder to think of he would conduct himself if given excess presidential powers. Zambia deserves far much better than this goon who belongs to millions of years gone by.
Ka Chief your statements are wrong. Your ultimate aim has been to see the PACT destroyed. You have gone as far as using tribal divisions just to ensure your MMD continues to plunder our resources. You are one the several people who will quit the MMD as soon as it loses 2011. You are one of the people who will accuse President of having cost the MMD the election. just stop bullshiting,
Mu Zambian #36 leave our president out of yo madness ! take yo s.p.i.d.i.t.y to hell, if yo m.b.o.l.o is too small to satisfy yo b.i.t.c.h hu happenz to be yo wife dnt bring yo frastrationz here ! VIVA PF
THE BEST THING THE PACT CAN DO IS TO COME AND EMMERGE AFTER THE ELECTIONS IN CASE (WITH 99% DOUBT) MMD WINS. WHICHEVER PARTY HAS MORE VOTESS ASSUMES PRESIDENCY AND THE LESSER ASSUMES VICE PRESIDENCY. And lets not forget the adage, “tayankila mbiye”. I don’t see why Michael Sata could have been fighting all these years just to come and handover presidency to HH whose party is on the bottom list of the big 3. Thats why things are going wrong in Zambia. Chiluba handed over presidency to Levy. With all opportunities to develop Zambia, Levy just developped RB-ended up handing over presidency to RB. Lets not have a situation where presidency will again be handed over to HH on a silva platta.
The problem is that initially Sata indicated that he was too old for the presidency and wanted to help HH ascend to power. But when he saw that the pact was gaining momentum, he became interested himself. that was the beginning of the problem. The problem has been swept under the carpet all this time. HH hoped that the old man will change his mind. Sata of late has become more confident about PF popularity and has started ignoring UPND- typical of Sata. he’s just proving the critics right. For PF to go ahead and file nominations without having discussed with UPND shows disrespect and yet Pf is now blaming UPND for their arrogance. After elections HH will find himself as sports minister from where he will get frustrated and resign. That is how our friends from the north are.clever…
These chaps must be seen to really work for this political positions in the manner we have seen Sata work hard pre-dating his own PF political Party formulation. I mean who doesn’t SATA’s past track record of hard work. Just recently, we learnt that he even risks his life as an informer of the our liberators on what moves the colonial masters where planning to capture those men and women. In short lets work for whatever we assume or wish to assume.
Ba Chief you seem not to have wisdom. Do not involve yourself in mad slinging politics. No wonder you were insulted look at yourself first. None of the two leaders wanted to take advantage of another. You are being insulted because of of your carelessness of using bad words to others. You are not worth a Chief. I am sure your subjects can see it all in you. One day they will ask you to step down for misleading them and dragging them into your selfish “leadership”. Who told you that when you quarrel in marriage then you should divorce. Is this what you advise your subjects. Matuvi yanu achief- kununkha kwanu!!
However, having said the above it would a very good thing for the pact to iron out the internal issues and quickly come up with a candidate who will lead us into 2011 victory. MMD must not be allowed to plunder further and burry/burn all the threads of plunder evidence.
John malambo alias Chief Mwanachingwala the Comedian, is an error of comedy. well if the PACT is in trouble, why should he be of concern for him?
#40. SAta has ever been confident of PF popularity. And he has never slackened in his intentions of becoming a president of ZAmbia. The opposite is the situation. Another thing Zambians are making a mistake of taking presidency as a fashion parade. Let the one with the drive to lead with deephearted interest do so. The CV will tell you who really is a hard worker with peoples’ interest at heart.
Is that MMD cadre or a Kaponya? Surely he must either be one of them or both. Definitely he cannot be chief anywhere in Zambia. So please dont ko that thing as chief. He cannot be a chief. If its true he is a chief then he must be a m.a.d or confused or a chainama case.
Decisions become much easier when you know your bottom line.
The pact ‘s working group must convene soonest and resolve this underground impasse that is imaging for the betterment of the zambian people who want to see change from the current corrupt MMD government.it’s never to late………what would one except from the PF rebals anyway…….NIKUYUMA BADAALA…..KUKOSA MUDALA
This is a small problem which will be resolved let MMD not be excited
Pact yafwa kale. After the launch that never was, they should have gone travelling round the country together. The fact that one group supports the NCC and the other does not, made one wonder what exactly the pact thing was. Even if they stick to the agreement of not fielding candidates in certain areas, how will they share the spoils of the cabinet? Even in parliament now, they dont speak with one voice. Will parliamentary UPND vote against the adoption of the new constitution with its degree clause? What are the mechanisms that will be used to select the pact candidate and to what extent have those been endorsed by the grass roots? Too many issues to be ironed out and what if RB calls an early election? Good luck Pact – you will certainly need it.
This Ghost called pact is nothing but an imaginary figment in the heads of Sata and his dumcell Hichilema. Its neither here nor there but an illusionary thought of despeardos in denial of their irrelevancy in prevalent political order.If oil and water canot mix in a combustion chamber to deliver firepower, this circus is just a myth. How do you realize a national political pact when the grassroot have no idea of what you are doing and take your action as a Horse and rider marriage of convenience by two national ballot rejects.Zero + Zero = Zero. Tribalist + Tribalist = tribalism.
Pact is a scam of headless chickens too selfish, says NGOs
many civil society organisations and the church say that the divisions in the Patriotic Front/United Party for National Development (PF-UPND) pact show that the headless chickens calling themselves leaders formed the alliance with selfish motives without national interest.
Independent Churches of Zambia (ICOZ) president David Masupa said yesterday that the confusion in the pact is a sad development. Reverend Masupa accused the pact leaders of betraying the people by failing to provide an alternative to the MMD government. “This only goes to show that the pact was formed to champion some people’s agendas of taking over government.
We thought that the pact would solve some of the challenges we have, but I am disappointed to note that they have their own principles that are not in the interest of the nation,” he said. Rev. Masupa urged Zambians to stick to President Banda and the MMD because they are the only ones who have formed a pact with the people of Zambia . “If they are serious, I challenge them to resolve these problems,” he said.
And Committee of Citizens executive director Gregory Chifire said the pact is like a broken cistern which cannot hold any water.
“These crashes in filing of nominations and the divisions we have heard are just a tip of the ice-burg. Their problems are worse than what meets the eye. These have been caused because of the pretence of leaders of both political parties. This pact was formed by top leaders without the involvement of the grassroots. This pact died the day it was formed, what has sustained it are lies,” he said. Mr Chifire said his organisation is disappointed that what they thought would be an alternative to the MMD government has been a cost to democracy.
When The Pact haz problemz real or imagined, a certain hand-full of the citizenz find cauze to celebrate, without realizing that democracy iz being compromized.
There is no need to panic and continue questioning the credibility of top leadership in the pact.
Let those doubting the sincerity of the pact know that very soon the two parties will merge to form a single party called UPND-PF party which is similar to ZANU-PF. This will be followed by a democratic convention where a party president and the entire UPND-PF party executive will be ushered into office through a democratic electoral process. This will put an end to MMD regime much ealier than 2011 general elections.
“Take it or leave it”
Anti Mufmbwe violence,
Your utopia aside, you come out more of an under aged retard in your diapers distant from the real world.
# 57 you have described my understanding perfectly except you are myopic . Be reminded that in 2001 change did not came about through insolence or myopia. Remember that There was UNIP for 27 years before MMD . Please just swallow your pride. Come 2011 MMD will be history.
#56 I dont think using ZANU-PF as an example of how parties should merge is not a good idea. I think a lot of ZAPU people have not forgotten how their party was swallowed up by Zanu and the ramifications for that are still here today. You also seem to think that the grass roots want to see their parties merged in that manner. Even if that was to be the case, there is no guarantee that the electorate will vote for such a party. Sata is not popular in Southern, Western and North-Western whereas HH is not popular in Luapula, Northern and the urban areas of Lusaka and CB. The fact that the parties have not yet harmonised any policies after a year and the fact that they have to be at pains to assert their independence as parties makes your analysis rather suspect. It is good to dream however.
Listen now mmd,dnt get excited 4 nothng.fact is whethr pact work out the differences o not,mmd is so never goin 2 win 2011 election. and jinx pliz stop copy n pasting post editorals,we have already read.its a waste of space.ba chief u shud b ashamed of urself.its crystal clear u r been used.
Ba LT what is this coming on right in the middle the screen?
JLO just shut your dirty smelly beak.VIVA MMD,no room for experiments politicians who are tribalists and bantustans ati HH and SATA yabaaa,hahahahhahahah..kekekekekekkeke
MMD should not cheat us and at the same time expect us to forget like chickens.
#63 But it is ok to forget the misdeeds of Satan? Kwena ama double standards twakwata mu Zambia awe mweh!
Fellow pact supporters! don’t you ever worry, there are no cracks at all in the pact! we all hope that blogers on here do vividly recal being told that as the days draws nigh to the elections. LT AND ALL OTHER mmd(goverment) proganda machine will swing into force.
Keep your heads very high, We not cracking at all!!!!!!
number 65 dream on until you wake up in a rude slumber shoke of yours..kekekekekekekeke..
#65 A Tembo i think you are already cracking up. Ukani, simuona ngati anzanu kuti pact yatha kale?
POST EDITORIAL CONCLUSION:
It’s all part of the process of life. But the future doesn’t belong to the fainthearted who give up or collapse when things don’t turn out the way they wanted them to be; it belongs to the brave. Who ever thought the PF of Michael and his friend Guy Scott in 2001 that only managed to win about three per cent of the vote in that year would be the PF of 2006, 2008 and today that cannot be written off in any election? Quick fixes sometimes work but not all the time. This pact, in its current form and character, is a quick fix that may work or may not work. As such, it will be unwise for anyone to pin all his or her hopes on it. Hope for an effective pact but prepare to win next year’s election with or without it.
SO WHOSE FOLLING WHO? THE EDITORIAL STARTED WITH ATTACKING RB AND THEN MOVED TO DISCUSSING THE PACT. THERE IS SERIOUS CONFUSION IN PACT AND MEMBE HAS ALL THE DATA INCLUDING THE DISCUSSIONS HH HAS BEEN HAVING WITH MMD
NO 65 THE PACT IS ALREADY FINISHED!! EVEN THE POST KNOWS IT AND THATS WHY VERY SOON YOU WILL SEE UPND AND PF CADRES FIGHTING OPENLY. ALL THE BLAME FOR FAILURE WILL BE PUT ON HH AND HIS TONGA BULLS (SEJANI ETC.)
I just hope it does not turn into the Kenya scenario. Remember at one time Odinga and Kibaki got together to get rid of Moi. Kaya chimene chizachitika mdziko lino. Also, dont forget in Zambian politics it is very common for people to be friends one day and bitter enemies the next. Look at Mwanawasa and Chiluba, Sata and Chiluba now it will be HH and Sata awe mwe what a circus!
get out ..useless chief…malambo iwe..
Patriot
u have issues u embecile.retards like u r a danger 2 society.these thieves r busy riping us off n u r there suportin them.gt a job instead of been a f o o l i s h cadre,
JLO
Am not a cadre and will never be one but a qualified docter practicing in washington my dear and watch your mouth i may employ you.Sata was in MMD and non democratic and Hakainde is a bantustan tribalist are these the chaps you want our golden zambia to fall to?kulibe anso uzakadabwa nsanya iwe,get a life.Lol;-))) kekekekekekekekekeke..
:(:( Ba Charles Malambo kamujala biyo mulomo badaala. The PACT is winning next year and you’ ll prove me right. You are just being noisy for nothing so shut up.
HH and MC must call an emergency meeting and resolve the issue. The problem is not major to sort out.
The pact is still very workable!!!
VIVA PF VIVA UPND unfortunetly both sides will not accept the other to lead…so HAKASATA is better but not reality. Reality is both will stand on their individual parties , this is the most probable situation in 2011.
For now they can try to be married.
MMD is losing in 2011 take it or leave it, they won in 2008 through cheating and this time around they have finished all their lies. In 2008 the message they had was vote for RB now to finish the 3 year term and in 2011 Magande the one you prefer will the presidential candidate and people did just that. Later they started alleging magande that he has a case to answer against Zambia airways and even conduct an investigation whose report up to now we have not seen. All those whose memories are still functioning well will never forget the incidence, hence MMD will pay for their lies. Zambians are not stupid, you cannot lie to them twice. Conservative societies like western province will not vote for MMD and signs have already showing they lose seats in their stongholds of North-western.
No one thought one day that Mufumbwe would ever go to the opposition. MMD is losing support in villages like Mufumbwe who was their stronghold. There are too many things going wrong in MMD such as appointmenting individuals to top jobs without qualifications in parastals and GRZ, those close to Rupiah are too proud and look down on those who have no connections, beating members of the press by cadres close to Rupiah, corruption and his connections to Chiluba etc.
Sorry MMD you need to go we are tired of you. Sata is coming in 2011 come rain come sunshine, leave the state house for him.
Chomba when u say MMD is going in 2011 and u say SATAS will rule what does SATA offer and what will be your basis for saying SATA because even HH will stand? Be practical and tell me which provinces SATA will sweep if HH also stands because then Mufuimbwe willo vote for HH and not SATA . U think getting shared Lusaka Votes and CB and Northern Province will put SATA in state House. Some of us dont like SATA coz his not the saviour or redeemer as u seem to put so much faith in a lunatic like him.
If u end up having SATA and RB , RB will win Southern, Western , N/Western, Eastern (Even Luapula as ka Chiluba is busy trying to discredit him)and Central, plus shares the spoils in Lusaka. SATA will get Northern Province, CB and Lusaka..and some of Luapula.
Take it or leave it….
I just dont get it why people would even think that Sata can ever lead our country. What difference surely can that manical snake make?
Untimely inaction will be worse than untimely action
By The Post
Wed 14 July 2010,
The starting point for developing a framework within which to approach some large questions in the PF-UPND pact is to answer the question: why are we trying to create a pact?
We think that the PF and the UPND are trying to create this pact because they have come to the conclusion that there is need to ensure that the MMD does not win next year’s elections.
At the same time, we believe there is a realization on their part, that they are clearly not dealing with a totally discredited and defeated MMD, and as such an electoral victory for them if they don’t consolidate their support in a pact could not realistically be posed.
If one thinks with his little he can go into a pact and grab an unjustified big portion from those holding more than him through all sorts of schemes, then they are mistaken. And if those holding more think they can go into a pact and negotiate to take away the little that the other side is holding for nothing because they are weak, then, again, they are mistaken because it won’t do. What will work is only a solution where each party comes out feeling they have gained something – they have something more than they started with. If they come out feeling the Pact is robbing them of something, they will abandon it. Only a just and fair approach will save the Pact and make it work.
It is therefore very important if the PF and UPND want to save their pact from crumbling to immediately start addressing the principal issues of this pact and not duck them.
They must immediately start addressing the pact presidential candidate issue. And no true pact will be built on the shifting sands of evasions, illusions and opportunism on this score. Clearing the Pact presidential candidate as soon as possible may help cure the stress.
Time for small thinking is over, and there is no need for posturing and trying to make virtue out of inadequacies. The Pact has reached a point, a moment in which – to use Lenin’s words – untimely inaction will be worse than untimely action. In this situation, there can be no indiscreet questions, but only indiscreet answers.