CHIEF Government spokesperson Ronnie Shikapwasha says Government has been vindicated by the revelation that Patriotic Front (PF) president Michael Sata was part of a 1992 committee of eight ministers which concluded that the Barotse Agreement was stale and illegal.
Lieutenant-General Shikapwasha said in an interview on January 10 that the people of Zambia should now know that Mr Sata is not a reliable person.
Gen. Shikapwasha said when Mr Sata was in authority, he did not even want to consider the restoration of the agreement which he is now advocating.
He said Mr Sata should be honest enough to tell Zambians that he is just looking for votes.
Former PF secretary general Edward Mumbi said at a press briefing on Sunday that on October 22, 1992, the committee of ministers met a delegation led by the Ngambela and members of the Barotse Royal Establishment (BRE) to discuss the agreement.
“Mr Sata has been telling people that he can solve the problems of those calling for the restoration of the Barotse Agreement. We have always told Zambians that Mr Sata is not to be trusted. As Government, we have been vindicated because Mr Sata has continued telling falsehoods,” he said.
When contacted for comment, Mr Sata refused to say anything on the matter, insisting that he should have been contacted earlier.
Mr Mumbi said at the press briefing that Mr Sata’s committee arrived at the conclusion that the Kaunda government’s appointment of the Litunga as member of the Central Committee was among the events which affected the Barotseland Agreement.
Mr Mumbi said the committee observed that the Chiluba government had been in power barely 12 months and the agreement referred to was signed in 1964 and abrogated in 1969 through a constitutional amendment.
The committee of ministers noted that since 1964, a lot of events had taken place in Zambia.
It further observed that the 1969 referendum, which took away property rights and was fully supported by all Zambians including the people of Western Province, was one of the events which gave Dr Kaunda’s government authority to abrogate the 1964 agreement.
The committee also observed that the replacement of the 1964 constitution and the subsequent appointment of the Litunga tended to affect the status of the Barotseland Agreement of 1964.
Mr Mumbi said Mr Sata’s committee slowed down Government’s attention to the agreement and finally put it to rest with another letter dated August 18, 1993.
“It is Government’s position that we cannot negotiate this agreement on the following grounds: Our further inquiries show that no judicial process was commenced by the royal establishment or any other party aggrieved by the proposed amendments in reasonable time. It is our position that the demand is stale, as it has been overtaken by events and is no longer legal,” the letter reads in part.
Mr Mumbi, who displayed both letters, also challenged Mr Sata to explain to Zambians why he asked then President Chiluba to drop the recognition of the Litunga in 1996.
[Zambia Daily Mail]
What is happening in western province? Sata should not involve himself in the Barotse agreement but leave it to the Government to dialogue with the people of western province and the litunga. Inciting the people in western province wont make Sata win the election. What type of a leader is he? This is a person you want to put in office this year!
Shikapwasha are you saying you are happy with the release of secret government documents for political expedience? What has happened to professionalism? Are you also going to allow workers at say, ACC or ZRA to release data which may implicate your government, to the opposition so that the nation is ‘informed’? Why do you Shikapwashs personally support illegal action taken to support your government? In any case wasnt it your consultant, Kafupi, who headed that cabinet? Dont you think such a doc would implicate Chiluba more than Sata? Thats why I always say Shikapwasha’s embarassingly dull! What a minister!
#1 kwa Mutonyo.You dont know what you are talking about.How many people,religious organizations,NGOs and political parties have been advising your small brained RB and MMD to
go to western province and settle this problem?why has David kaunda and Chiluba kept quiet on this matter?Before you open your mouth think and think real good.
Thats how ALL politicians are mr honorable! They always make such U-turns as long as its working for them. I remember very well that Alabee promised just to finish LPM’s term – thanks to his advancing age- and retire to his farm, but u remind him today about that – you will be sucked, ni pa zed! I also remember that u and your fellow optunist suported the conviction of Chiluba during LPM, but u made a similar U-turn when HERB decided to withdraw that. And why should the govt reveal all such inf. to a mr Mumbi just to fight Sata? Zambia is bigger than the pf leader please, lets not be so careless. who is Mumbi to acces such documents and hold a press conference? Zambia a failed state? I think we can do better!
But Zambian politics, awe mwandini bwafya. We spend so much time attacking and accusing each at the expense of development such as infrustruture, roads, clinics, hospitals, schools etc. Ba Sata nabena ukulanda landa and changing statements, filaletelela. Why cant he be like HH for once. I know I support PF but apapena katwishi.
Correction—— the committee being talked about was Chiluba`s committee and not Sata`s.
Who are the other 8 ministers…why cant the government get to the root of this problem and sort it out once and for all instead of playing childish political games.They should for once show a sense of maturity and face this issue head on.How is the same document going to help solve the problem
Sata is not my fan but MMD made a mistake by picking a useless unip kada to be their president
Desperation from the MMD and their minions. Its not about Sata its about the people who are offended. Shame on you big nose Sikapwanya.
I suggest that governement appoints Kenneth Buchizya Kaunda to head a committe to find a lasting solution to this situation while he is still alive. He is a big part of this difficulty.
The BRE is also to blame:
1.They should have reflected deeply before signing the BA64 in 1964
2.They should have opposed the constitutional ammendment in 1969
3.The late Litunga Ilute Yeta who was high commissioner to Botswana before becoming litunga should never have accepted to participate in politics by becoming an MCC. By so doing, he cemented the abrogation of the BA64
4.The government has not been sincere with its dealings with the BRE. Despite all these ammendments, it has continued to give the Litunga and the royal family special status behind the backs of the common lozis. This is happening up to now. The Lozi royals have received appointments and other special favours all over the show at the exclusion of the common Lozi.
Hon Shikapwasha is an embarrassment not only to the nation but his family as well. The simple question is since when did MMD sympathisers like Mumbi had free access to classified government documents? in any case that committee was not Sata’s but CHILUBA’S. SURELY who are you trying to expose here – Sata or CHILUBA. Please respect zambians we are not fools or children…MMD you are scoring an own goal…keep away from MUMBI
Reality has caught up and its time to PUT THIS MATTER TO REST.
We can not have an agreement that just favours the Royal Family.
Even those that want to secede, then what..you want to take western province to feudalism when even in the UK the powers and previlages of the monarchy have been reduced. For your own information, The Queen will foot Willima’s wedding this year. The Government will only provide security and other related logistics. Even in SWAZILAND, the days of the monarchy are numbered.
PLEASE LETS TALK ABOUT DEVELOPING ZAMBIA AS A NATION AND LATER INTERGRATING IT INTO SADCC like what our EUROPEANS friends are doing.
DO NOT TAKE US BACKWARDS.
BUT VIOLENCE MUST NEVER BE ENTERTAINED FROM WHATEVER DIRECTION!!
An MMD MMD MMD MMD decision. The same MMD in power today.
go and read the post online and see what sata said. ………..
A committee was not made up of just one person (Sata). Please can you tell us the other Seven who where in the Committee instead of just Mentioning one person Sata. The attacking of just one person wont solve anything.
Our government has a way of stubbing itself in the back. Whatever committee Sata was part of was an MMD committee and all the members were bound by collective responsibilty. The essence of repentacy is that people should be able to change when they realise they having been living a lie and embrace the truth. It is not inconsistency to change and adopt a better slogan or stance. The Sata document was an MMD document and the MMD is the party in power and they should solve this problem instead of playing the blame game.
Can Mr. Shikapwasha inform the nation the other ministers who were part of this committee in the name of national interest so that we know them, the former Reverand must also make it clear that Kafupi called the shots then, so kafupi has more explaining to do than Mr. Sata.
The biggest problem we have in zed is bogus leadership. Instead of facing a problem head on in a quest to find a lasting solution, irrerevant considerations always take precedence and overshadow the real issues. This in essence escalates the problem instead of halting it. Eg, this BRM started as a small protest months ago, but what did the powers that be do, they started politicking. It is now advancing at supersonic speed, but look at what politicians are doing. Day in day out its politics as usual. This zed sucks BIG TIME!!!! Its too much.
Has this website become Sata’s Diary??
Sata this, Sata that, Sata there is all we now daily read about in the Lusakatimes.
Maybe its time the website changed its name to Satamania, to reflect its obsession with Sata, which would under the circumstances be more meaningful.
You PF Post readers have finally been embarassed!!! I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again “Viva GRZ! Viva MMD! Viva RB!” Chweh chweh chweh chweh chwe!!!!
It’s gratifying to note that Sata’s name is been mentioned by the MMD DOG’s on a daily basis. To a person on the street and in the village they will be interested in knowing who Sata is really is.
That’s Chiluba’s own document, produced in line with his own desires as president of the Republic and the MMD then. It’s his government’s document, the government of the MMD he led.
Ronnie,Ronnie ! When will our Lt Gen give us break. He has to please his employer of course but could we have some balanced and reasonable statements. What vindindification is there in Mumbi’s story ? Surely there were many cabinet committees on which Sata sat, maybe all these should be revealed to see what Sata stood for. In any case it was an MMD govt even if RB was then in UNIP.
You spend more time talking about old Sata than you spend on sensible things
IMWE BA RONNIE, MULI SOLDIER LYAMUSANGO SHANI? SATA HAS NEVER BEEN PRESIDENT TO HAVE MADE A DECISION TO THROW OUT THE BAROTSE AGREEMENT…..KAFUPI WAS FULLY IN CHARGE AT THE TIME……SO WHY PIN THE BLAME ON SATA?…..LET KAFUPI AKALONDOLOLE WHAT HAPPENED……NI DON’T KUBEBA BATATA…VIVA PACT…LONG LIVE SATA… LONG LIVE HH…..BY AUGUST/SEPT 2011 KUKABA UKULONDOLOLA….
Who is saying Sata is now PF and not MMD when he made the said recommendation to the then President Chiluba on the BRE, the issue is ‘ETHICS AND MORALS’ What the is Sata’ thoughts, why did he not come out then to challenge the then recommendation. Lets be factual
Sata did this, Sata said that, Sata will do this……….. and what have you done for the country ba MMD and Alabee kanshi.
‘George Kunda’s U-turn on Chiluba’s crime shows that he is unreliable’ says Ronnie ‘Hooter’ Shikapwasha. ‘How can he be the Vice President ? He is a liar!’ He continued……
You think this rotten teeth of yours will resolve this problem, never in my life time..!!! SATA is thinking that he may get western votes but he is lying to himself because, the only parties which get votes are ADD, UPND and MMD. PF will be last in western province. Even now, there is no way sata will be allowed to head the pact. There are a number
You think this rotten teeth of yours will resolve this problem, never in my life time..!!! SATA is thinking that he may get western votes but he is lying to himself because, the only parties which get votes are ADD, UPND and MMD. PF will be last in western province. Even now, there is no way sata will be allowed to head the pact.
DONTCHI KUBEBA!
Ronnie chikapwasha, you have just shot yourselves in the back. ZED bloggers, where is Mumbi getting these clasified information? Where are the ZED security wings? How can this thing be news that Ronne has even gone to blame an individual who did not give append a final signature on the recommendation. Chikapwasha you are a very dull soldier
Cheap shots ba Ronnie. Below par for a Ministerial statement to the nation.
You brothers from W/Province must not just blame govt on your perceived ‘backwardness’ in devt. I was told of how shoprite had a tough time to get permission from the traditional authorities to operate in Mongu … and even then they were pushed into the outskirts of town. So what I see here is that the Lozi’s r not ready to allow investments by non-Lozis; they recently even burnt to ashes a shop bcoz the owner was Mbunda. PLEASE my Lozi bros, you cant eat a cake and have it. CHANGE or PERISH IN THE SAND!
Very very Sorry For Ron. the Pastor for that matter. Chiluba was the presindent of Zambia at that time sata was just among of ministers sent to sort or cool down this issue. so why is Sata an issue on this issue. by the way What is behind Mumbi? How is giving him all this govt secretes. Mind you Ba Ron.S.,Mumbi,Chanda chimba,.any time you tolk about this man ninshi you are making him knwon.to every body .and moreover ninshi mulamitina.
shikapwasha u are in exibiting failure on your part as MMD. How do leak information to Edward Mumbi a secret doc? It shows that SATA is a big threat to your existence as MMD. Just deal with the matter as MMD u have been office for 20yrs…U cant tell me SATA gave u a position u are relying on today…how abt chhiluba wat is sayin?
Mr sata can not be rellied upon. He thinks he can cheat lozi pipo. I ask kimalozi fela can this old geriatric take you for a ride. Lozi bros and sisters are you soped by an old illiterate. Mr sata you have seen how much good will zambia is recieving from rich nations. Mr sata you know that if you had to become head all donors would pack their bags and we e zambia if so why do you want to plung it into mayhem. God forbid
Fellow blogers!!!!! please NOTE that the committee he and his sickal government are talking about was Chiluba`s committee and not Sata`s..
Learn to write the truth LT… Don’t be chair-nalists… Tell the people the real McCoy like proper journalists (the post etc…. do).
I bet it’s harder when you are on ka william banda’s payroll..
Western Province has some of the most beautiful women in this country. These people are not going to separate unless the men are going alone. Leave the fine women in Zambia
people the documents were not secret……Sata even held a press conference to support the decison that the Baotse agreement is stale
Next if this one fails, Shikapwasha and his Alsatian Mumbi will try to pin all the political deaths in Zambia on Sata—Sata killed this, Sat killed so and so will be the head lines very soon.
It is in the make-up of, and the privilege of all sane human beings to change their mind, following a reflection on a given matter. Only the Lord our God does not change.
This failure to change one’s mind is what has destroyed the MMD. We must all be looking for opportunities to gain new understanding of things that affect us, change our minds if need be.
Authority was with the then president FTJ Chiluba and MC Sata was only found himself in this mess through “Collective Irresponsibility”.
And now that RB has done away with the “Oath of Secrecy” could we have more documents coming out into public domain, eg gabon disaster report, etc
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT REAL ISSUES NOT JUST CRITICISING THE OPOSITION. WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS THERE TO CRITICISE MR. SATA. LEADERS COME AND LEADERS GO. LET US GIVE SOME SPACE TO THIS MAN.
MMD IS THERE ONLY TO BENEFIT. LOOK AT THE COMMON MAN WHO HAS NO EMPLOYMENT, HAS A BIG FAMILY AND CHILDREN NEED TO GO SCHOOL. HAS MMD TACKLED REAL ISSUES LIKE THOSE. PEOPLE ARE REALLY SUFFERING.
AND TALKING ABOUT MR. SATA EVERY TIME IS A WASTE OF TIME.
HAVE YOU EVER SAT DOWN AND THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH SOME EMPLOYEES ARE GETTING PER MONTH. CAN A PERSON SURVIVE ON A K500,000.00 PER MONTH AND WHERE IS THE MMD GOVT?. THINK “BIG”BEFORE YOU EVEN CRITISE
All former UNIP Generals and Ministers (RB, VJ, etc), former UNIP Diplomats etc should be trusted with power because they not a reliable people to be entrusted with power.
Having supported a rotten socialist system which destroyed the Zambian economy, they have no moral grounds to aspire to lead Zambia
Why does Sata only take responsibility for the good parts of FTJ’s govt. He says that he performed wonders at Healthy ministry, whilst it was not his govt. Give responsibilty to FTJ even for the good parts of his time and not only the percived bad times. That leaves Sata with no legacy to talk about as he has not been president before. If he really is presidential material, he should learn to take responsibilty for both bad and good performances. The article in today’s Post does not have the characteristics of Sata. That’s not his tone. It’s a PR exercise by the PR dept of the PF. Thats why it does not talk about the letter Sata personally wrote to FTJ requesting for the dropping of Litunga and Mpezeni as paramount chiefs and his warning to crush them.
All former UNIP …… etc should not be entrusted with instruments of power…
After all the circus Sata has been doing all this time, am shocked that some people can not see that hes a just a joker.
I just finished reading the post online, Sata has said his position on this matter after reading what he said am convinced beyond reasonable doubt that. The Government of today is running away from the problem rather than solve it. its actually the MMD who is actually trying to gain Political mileage on this one
Who can tell me that they have never unturned and still regard themselves reliable? if we follow the issue at hand properly we will understand that it was MMD who were mandated to make that important decision. They say no one is better than all of us so Sata could not have made the pronoucement the persident with the help of other party carrying members like Lt Rev. Shikapwasha. Mad slinging wont solve the problem. The Loziz were promised butter and what they are asking for is simply butter. MMD must address this issue with due consideration before the situation worsens.
# 46 Objective, you are very UNOBJECTIVE! Sata was minister of health at that time alone with his deputy minister. All the policies and projects that were implememnted at the ministry at that time including the not so important nurses uniforms were his achievements. On the other hand the COMMITTEE of 8 that sat to consider the demands of the proponents of the BA64 then, was part and parcel of FTJ Chilubas government. After this committee deliberated and produced a report with recommedndations it must have been presented to a full carbinet meeting chaired by then president FTJ Chiluba. Therefore, if this report was adopted together with all the junk such as demoting the Litunga, the answerable person is Chiluba as leader and in line with natural rules of collective responsibilty! WAKE UP!
Heee Its Sata again..Mmmm realy the man is great. The man who is feared even by the former presidents for they are saying it was Sata who was making decision when they ruled Zambia.
keke kaka keke this is madness really. All the children are now asking dady who is Sata. Dady can Sata give our mum good employement? Dady why cant you vote for Sata since all the people talk about him.
I look at my children and say, my children this year 2011 Sata is ruling Zambia for even you young ones will vote for him. Dont wory Sata shall rule soon.
This is Sata the polical brain teaser.
Going by Shikapwasha’s principle, all the former UNIP stalwarts (RB Shikapwasha, VJ, etc) who U-TURNED from socialist policies to join MMD and started lying that they are reformed, are unreliable, and need not be given any consideration for election to positions of power in Zambia.
Shikapwasha and his boss RB should lead by example and resign with immediate effect because according to their warped their conviction, changing one’s mind, whether based on thoughtful realisation of having previously pursued unworkable ideals, is being unreliable.
Most of you Zambians are just like these same politicians. Sata is widely known to have been a very effective minister of local govt and housing and he brought sweeping changes in other ministries that he headed and that is the basis of his strength as future president. So why the f#*k cant you say it was Chiluba who performed effectively and brought these sweeping changes? Get real the man is a psycho and a shameless opportunist together with Shikapwasha, Kunda and the others. God save the motherland!!
There is just a lot of baseless unpatriotic sensation in tabloids when the opposite is true on the ground.The victim of these sensationalists are those in the diaspora that heavily depend on irresponsible tabloids for current affairs. The wishful thinkers’ calls, hallucinations and cowardly announcements of a few hired thugs does not mean the country is on fire. Institutions and the law haven’t resigned from reinforcing national interest.The few thugs and their sponsors in the diaspora all identified have no space or capacity to circumvent national will on law and order. There is responsible leadership of the BRE and state in Western province. We dare them start their terrorism and wishful independence on January 14th, 2011 as announced. At the stroke of a pen, terrorists will perish.
Any NTS documents declassified by Government through a signature of the attorney General and state security under the security act of 1973 and 1988 on understanding that it does not retain the same national security danger as it were can be accessed by the public on request. If the request is for still classified material, the documents cannot be released. Those crying foul on the information released by former PF chief should ascertain if the documents are still classified or not. To the best of my knowledge no classified or TS documents can be accessed by a non classified security cleared citizen.
what about you ronnie cause the is no truth in you kwai teimwe ba kangalila ba revarand
Sata is ruling this year 2011 whether enior citisen/veteran likes it or not.
Sata has now become the former head of state to have suctioned the decision of the Chilubas commeettee on the BRE…hehe what stup.idity is this? These are the signs of desperation on the part of MMD thugs we always talk about.
And mind you , you are justmaking Sata more popular to all people in Zambia. Thats why people are saying let see why these guys fear Sata…let him become president so we see what they will do.
What ever hapens its Sata, a person fails to sheet in his toilet he blames Sata, a person fails to impreginant his wife, he also blames Sata, the Mongu thugs arise , its Sata is commanding them…
You dull creaturs dont have life, thats why I will vote for Sata so he cleanses Zambia.
The Idiiocy of Shikapwasha stinkks. The MMD Government, for long time, refused to let Zambians hold dual citizenship. But having realised the potential merits of letting Zambians have dual citizenship, RB was recently in the news on one of his trips to Egypt, jubilantly pronouncing government’s u-turn on the matter.
Going by Shikapwasha’s principle, does this make RB, Shikapwasha and their government unreliable??
What makes Sata different such that he should not u-turn if he realises that he was in the wrong??
Shikapwasha is really very dulll.
Though I don’t believe Sata has made any statement supporting the secession of Western Province, let me post this saying by some wise person:
“Only a fool or the dead never ever changes his mind”.
This guy is dull like a pig!
The National Restoration Party has shown leadership on this matter. Elias Chipimo Jnr and his team need to be given a chance to bring fresh minds that have no tainted history to this matter.
The style of news reporting we are seeing in Zambia today is dangerous! Why should GRZ waste so much time and money to fix Sata through negative reporting! The reality is that the man ( Sata) seem to be getting stronger and stronger!
PF myth: If you discuss Mr Sata he becomes stronger! Discuss
this is all crap…
Big nose is not the rght person to tell us who’s unreliable and who’s not. He belongs to a den of THIEVES and FAILURES. You’re time is UP OLD CHAPS.
I have always wondered what the Lozis would do if they were Southern Province. How would they wield the power of producing 80% of the food and meat in the country, 95% of the electricity, 100% of the coal (without which there is no copper mining), tourism, etc etc,,,, I think they would have gone a long long long time ago… The only thing keeping them in Zambia is the fact that every time they look at Western Province, the see sand and nothing else…They also know that the BRA will not be renewed by the English, and even if it is, it will not sustain them… But Zambia is also just as dependent on Southern Province…