President Rupiah Banda has warned Zambians against taking part in the planned meeting over the Barotse agreement in Mongu this Friday.
President Banda says the planned meeting by the group calling itself the Black Bulls will not take place.
Mr Banda has also warned of stern action against persons circulating flyers in Mongu, calling on people that are non Lozi speaking to leave Western province by Friday 14.
The President told journalists before departure for North Western province this morning that it is not fair that government should discuss in the press, issues surrounding its meetings with the Barotse Royal Establishment.
And the Cheke Cha Mbunda Cultural and Writers Association has commended Government for the manner it is handling issues surrounding the Barotse Agreement of Western Province.
Association Chairperson Ndandula Libingi said his association is happy that Government is handling the issues cautiously and is confident that the matter will be resolved amicably.
Mr Libingi however, advised Government to ensure that the matter is dealt in a way that will restore dignity and honour to all involved parties.
He said this at a Press Briefing in Lusaka today.
[pullquote]Meanwhile, the Association Chairperson has explained that the Barotse Agreement of 1964 does not call for cessation of Western Province as demanded by the advocates.[/pullquote]
Meanwhile, the Association Chairperson has explained that the Barotse Agreement of 1964 does not call for cessation of Western Province as demanded by the advocates.
Mr Libingi said the agreement which was the Barotse agreement goes beyond Western Province and extends to all the line of rail, including North Western, and Copperbelt Provinces.
He said it is in this vein that the agreement should therefore be understood in its right context as it also involves various stakeholders.
Mr Libingi further expressed sadness that some people are misinterpreting the agreement and issuing threats against other ethnic groupings in the country hence jeopardising their lives.
He has since called on Government to arrest such people and charge them with treason.
ZANIS
Yea, you go RB! Tell them. They think you’re pushover, the Blood suckers.
RB, good boy. Arrest Sata and his vuvuzela Fred Mmembe and we’ll have peaceful elections. With these two chaps on the loose, Panji Kaunda’s words will become reality. Panji was refering to these two dangerous chaps about violence. Act now RB twapapata tata. Without you, this country will become a battlezone and a kawalala den.
At a stroke of a pen terrorists will perish.
There is just a lot of baseless unpatriotic sensation in tabloids when the opposite is true on the ground.The victim of these sensationalists are those in the diaspora that heavily depend on irresponsible tabloids for current affairs. The wishful thinkers’ calls, hallucinations and cowardly announcements of a few hired thugs does not mean the country is on fire. Institutions and the law haven’t resigned from reinforcing national interest.The few thugs and their sponsors in the diaspora all identified have no space or capacity to circumvent national will on law and order. There is responsible leadership of the BRE and state in Western province. We dare them start their terrorism and wishful independence on January 14th, 2011 as announced. At the stroke of a pen, terrorists will perish.
The way to deal with terrorists is not to continue issuing threats but to nab them and let justice take its course. Have we become toothless bulldogs in the face of adversity?
GRZ should never give credence or a platform to legions of terrorists besides on going discussions with the Litunga, BRE and kuta. Any audience extended to loony terrorists will be an act of legitimizing lawlessness while undermining a people’s leadership in established institutions of his Lordship the Litunga. What would happen if GRZ starts talking to thugs in western province would have serious ramifications for would be terrorists in other province who might take such a blander as a set precedence.
2011 is here
I think Gov should come out in the open regarding the discussion with BRE. BRE made a submission to the NCC, which was open for all to see, so why discuss behind closed doors. We the people of Zambia want to know what is going on, we are entitled to be brief as a matter of urgency, it’s our Zambia, it’s our child, children’s Zambia. And yes a lot of people do not understand this document; it does not state that Northern Rhodesia and Barotse can split at any point. The British were clever in this instance all it stated was to bring together N Rhodesia and Barotse to form Zambia. There’s no get out clause in that document for any of the former states, it only allowed for certain matters in Barotseland to be administered by the Litunga. All gov has to do is amend the document and…
BRE will be discussed after elections not now.! Period. Sata wants to take advantage.
Give commandos and paratroopers unrestrained rules of engagement until our land of Zambia is free from terrorists. Push them into the deep waters of Zambezi on their canoes and spray them there with automatic action. In nation- state rational action, its always to forgo a few thugs than lose the entire national population to terror actions. Alternatively give leverage to state apparatus to systematically resort to casing, shadowing and aimed targeting of all terrorists and their accomplices wherever they are. Its time to set a precedence no different to what took Mushala, Alice Lenshina and Simbwende down the achieves of Zambian terrorism.
NO one will get votes from western province apart from Milupi. This is a big LOSE for MMD.
This issue is just too sensitive to be delt with by mere intimidation and pepetual supression. these vices are not the best strategies that a reasonable party would employ to resolve a comflict as the are likely to fail. Other than wasting so much resources on deploying comandoes, sodiers cops etc which is a temporal measure, a reasonable and cheaper option would be to table the document, negotiate the bad clauses amend and impliment the meaningful clauses.
Senior Citizen
Are you aware that you are the Most hated LT Blogger??? Could you explain why?
Totally concur with everything you say. These guys, some of whom I know personally, are cowards who will just scupper like headless chickens once the government decides it will have no more of their nonsensical bravado. There is no valour in inciting poor villagers to commit actions that can only lead to their own tears and ultimately achieve nothing.
Good evening
The president has our full support on this one.Terrorism or other acts of hate and violence is what the majority of Zambians neither tolerate nor appreciate. If this group of individuals calling themselves the “Black Bulls” have any genuine demands for their cause, why don’t they present them to the parliament through their provincial MP? As the Americans say, we may not see eye to eye but we can at least agree to disagree.
“Most of the trouble in the world is caused by people wanting to be important.”
T.S. Eliot
That was for #5
# 10 Mpepo,
I refer you to my entry # 47 under that awards thread. I don’t blog to appease you but to express my position on national affairs based on my value system. You may want to know that security studies and leadership, excessive love for praise is inimical to public office. People who are passionate in soliciting praises are susceptible to inimical compromise. I remain unflinchingly in solidarity for Zambia than appeasements from Ghost who will never even meet or know me in their lives. To me its about Zambia selflessly period. Again read # 47 under the Award thread. Meanwhile you can inconsequentially hate us to death but keep enjoying LT for free LoL! I know its an enduring puzzle for you over the years.
Cecil Rhodes is to be blamed for all these.He was the first one to singed the treat with Lewanika after the death of Sebetwane.
Sebetwane in 1838 conquered the Barotse and rules them peacefully and greatly impresses Livingstone, who met him briefly in 1851.
(Ecclesiastes 1:9)The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
NOW YOU SEE THE LIKES OF MUMBI’S CARELESS PRESS CONFERENCES AND TRYING TO BRING SATA DOWN. I FOR ONE DONT SUPPORT MR. SATA BUT THIS MUMBI CHAP IS MESSING ALOT FOR THE GOVT. THE GOVT MUST HOLD HIM(MUMBI) ACCOUNTIBLE FOR THE SOURCE OF THOSE LETTER. RB KNEW SUCH DOCX WERE THERE BUT DID NOT SAY OR DO ANYTHING BUT THIS MUMBI AS A NEW WEAPON FOR SHIKAPWASHA IS THE ONE HANDLING THE SH**T FOR MMD
# 16,
And i have this for those of you overwhelmed with the new revelation on veteran flip flopping Sata. Any NTS documents declassified by Government through a signature of the attorney General and state security under the security act of 1973 and 1988 on understanding that it does not retain the same national security danger as it were can be accessed by the public on request. If the request is for still classified material, the documents cannot be released. Those crying foul on the information released by former PF chief should ascertain if the documents are still classified or not. To the best of my knowledge no classified or TS documents can be accessed by a non classified security cleared citizen.
RB should reaiy get serious and deal with this barotse nonses before it gets out of hand
Why has this issue become so hot now….what has incited the Lozi people now. What opportunity lies in their plea now more than ever before. During KK, they feared him and kept silent all along but now under RB they have gained courage….I wish KK could return! And to RB sometimes its good to let sleeping dogs lie now look what you have brought upon yourself. Do we have the money to pay these people their demands?
Senior Citizen, it is blindness to reality like you’re manifesting here that has brought so much heartache and pain in Africa by igniting bitter civil wars by which millions have perished. Because of the liberation wars in Angola and Namibia, that part of Zambia has more illegal guns than any of the remaining 8 and this anger is not by what you and Banda claim to be “a few hired thugs”. It is province wide, the country is getting on fire and we need Banda to restore that agreement before the secessionist ranks and file swell. So please, scale down on your inflammatory and insulting commentary, Zambia has no army and we all know how your so called soldiers were captured and killed by Foday Sankoh’s rag tags in Sierra Leon. Don’t start what you can never finish, be warned you…
Kamuyongole Manyekaela,
Dream on with your secessionist rants motivated by imaginary capacity to circumvent the Zambian constitution. GRZ in progressive discussion with the Litunga, Kuta and the BRE should never risk the nation by setting a bad precedence of legitimizing terror groups. No part of western province or her peoples are interested in the wishful rants of secession as called by terrorists. The Malozis are patriotic Zambians who believe in a strong and stable unitary state. And which Zambia defense company was annihilated by Foday Sanko in Sierra Leon and under which commandant? You are full of dreams hence ranting with your forked tongue of doom things you only carry protruding ignorance on without shame before real actors with. Term your ignorance or drown in your terror
Imwe fi usless Black Bull …whatever sort of nonsense this is!
RB just deploy ba Commando that side to sort the chaps out. Don’t even waste time negotiating with terrorists. Move in just now and sweep through the whole of Western province. If possible declare a state of emergency to sort this out. Imagine what would happen if each one of the tribes in Zambia was to declare that they wanted a share of the country!
new Sudan ,new Western Zambia. Africans and africans again!
# i dnt kno where u hail from u sound like edward useless mumbi…no normal person can listen to cheap data like this…we are voting for the PACT!!!!!!
This is why they wanted to know who is going to head the PACT so that they can finish the person, MMD is being run By Man Chilu theu RB and has supporters like Shika the Gen. who does not understand anything about running a government. Now they think Sata will lead the Pact, they think the best thing is to finish him off, but no thats not the best solution. The best the government of the day can do is to put in practice what they preach bring real development not only ama landa kanwa they wont get anywhere THEY WILL JUST MAKE SATA EXTRA POPULAR CHAPWA
# 9 uzeless! Negotiate with who? This is treason! Do we need to negotiate that Zimbabwe and Malawi are part of Zambia? ZNDF please go get ’em! If you are not careful these guys can bring about a genocide. We must stop them at all cost. #3 you are right. There are a lot of people hallucinating in the diaspora and are leading a rebellion at home. The SB or OP should slap heavy charges on these deceivers too! One Zambia One Nation.
Construction work on the 50,000 capacity stadium, which will cost $94m has started in Lusaka Zambia.The project will also cover the rehabilitation of the Independence Stadium which was closed down four years ago because of safety fears.”The construction works for both stadia are expected to be completed within 30 months,” Zambia president Rupiah Banda said at the ground breaking ceremony.
“Government remained desirous to undertake the project and sought the help of the People’s Republic of China, our all-weather friends.”The ceremony, which was witnessed by Hui Liangyu, the vice-premier of China, was celebrated by hundreds who defied the rain witness the occasion. “The construction of the stadium will enhance Africa-China relationships and the completion of the stadium will serve as a new symbol for friendship between Zambia and China,” Mr. Liangyu said.
The Lusaka Stadium will be the country’s biggest arena when it is completed. “Zambia is moving much closer to the modern world and I am grateful that I am alive when this is happening,” said said.
That is dictatorship
Here in Scotland that would never happen
Thanks
I notice the an in the picture wearing red shoes!
Same as men with pot bellies
How unfit and uncanny. If my fiance didnt have 6 packi wouldnt be with him
Be fashion concious, it helps the way people look at you.
Thanks
Crash the rebels- Crash the Terrorist.
What is a 6 packi mwe banthu
6 packi sounds like the three usual items on either end
@ no # 15 my brother 1984 Amen. Like I said before aswell I stand with the office of the president on this one. Even the southern states in America know they shall never break away my goodness. Can’t we all as Zambians just get along. Find the leaders of this “black bulls” movement and arrest them. Let the law for once speak on behalf of the people.
The Police should not hestitate to arrest Mumbi for he has openly displayed confidential documents.This is a very serious offence.Such things can not be happen in the UK,he would have faced the law, whether good intensions or not.
RB, You have my support on this one. Arrest them. then Arrest Sata and his vuvuzela the Post.
Some pipo enjoy insults. Why ?
RB dont create reasons to go into Western Province with a heavy hand. To brutalise the people there in the name of crushing rebellion. The Western Province is so so uder-developed. I was there this weekend on a business trip. It’s shameful that the 1st cabinet had powerful people from there but they did nothing to lobby for developmet to be taken to Western Province.
No wonder the people Western Province hate Pipo like Sikota Wina. They were saying he stays in “Zambia, Mimosa / makeni area’ and no longer from Western Province. That he is not in touch with reality and he is a BIG sell out. The Govt., must handle this issue with maturity and Not use intimidation tactics.
Yeah RB, I totally support you on this issue. Namibia dealt with the secessionist Lozi’s in the Caprivi Strip decisively and now everything is quiet and peaceful there. There should be no negotiations with terrorists.
This is management by threats. Zambians, this is what you get when you allow foo.ls to preside over you. MMD out and we need a governement that will allow people to express themselves. I cannot believe the bloggers comments that are archaic in dealing with people’s feelings. Let the people talk and from that find a lasting solution.
when are we going to learn to handle issues maturely in zambia. how many people are you going to blame over this issue, some blame sata, others the post, others kk and so on.. Its not time to blame anyone but face the real hard concrete at present. Its sad that RB is handling this issue with intimidation which can result in worsening the situation. You can never solve an issue with intimidation. As for some dull bloggers who cant bring up good ideas over this issue but rather blame someone are fools and are like that even in their homes. When a situation is tense they only think of blaming their spouses or children instead of finding out ways correcting the situation. Others resolve in beating up their spouses or children. Judge these fools from their postings…you will know this.
Be careful with the warning from the terrorist. Put in place cautious measures before we loose innocent lives. Hunt them down and cage them. They are a threat to peace. Good one RB.
Mr president u are all over the world u will find someone has replaced u so suspend all trips and be in the country to sort out all these issues. thanks
On ‘Mr Libingi said the agreement which was the Barotse agreement goes beyond Western Province and extends to all the line of rail, including North Western, and Copperbelt Provinces’.
Mr. Libingi should go back to school as that BA64 was very specific to the present boundaries of Western Province. People should not confuse Barotseland with North Western Rhodesia – it was NW Rhodesia which extended up to the line of rail where the border with North Eastern Rhodesia was. Barotseland was contained wholly within the boundaries of NW Rhodesia in more or less the present provincial boundaries.
Ricky you are wrong you are the one who needs to go back to school. The man is 100% right check your history books again.
They have discovered oil and diamonds in western province therefore the govt wants to do away with western province’s traditional land handling by nullifying the agreement. hence this wrangle as pipo have been tipped. wake up pipo.
diamond and oil oh yah! it always comes with bloodshed no wonder.
kill these animals called lozis,lets get the bloody diamonds and oil.i hate their pride
#33, that is James Lukuku one of MMD misguided missiles!
Reading the commments above gives me the view that, some bloggers are so political that at every opportunity, they see an opportunity to destroy their hated politicians and sale their prefered candidate. The BA64, the ‘Black Bull’ group and all sympathisers of Barotse seccesion are getting infuriated that they are not being taken seriously and their cause is being abused. Sending these signals is very poor handling of a potentially dangerous situation. The government cannot at this point afford to arrest the disgruntled and disappointed Lozis. The government needs to engage them, through their leadership and in liaison with the BRE as the custodians of land and rulers of the people of western province.
Therefore, stop releasing documents that will not help this situation through Mumbi!
What do we understand by Barotseland Agreement, 1964??
The whites had treaties with the litunga’s Barotseland, and also with Northern Rhodesia before 1964.
The Barotseland Agreement was an agreement that was used to deal with 2 major issues:
1. Dissolve all the treaties Britain had with Both Barotse and Northern Rhodesia as a whole as a pre-condition to providing indipendence to the two to become one sovereign nation called Zambia.
So by signing the 1964 agreement by the three parties representing Northern Rhodesia, Barosteland and Britain, all the commitment and treaties Britain had with the two were nallified.
2. To make Barotse and Northern Rhodesia one single (unitary) nation called Zambia where all its people, whether from Barotse or Northern Rhodesia would be equal.
#54 cont’d,
This means that all Zambians regardless of where they come from were to be equal and share the same rights with no one prefered against the other.
The man from Baroste to have the same rights as the man from Magoye, or Chipata or Kasama or Mansa, etc.
The Litunga to continue with local authority under customery or traditional setting, which is just like any other chiefs in the country. This happens in Southern, eastern, nothern, Luapula, etc for all chiefdoms.
Now, what is it that has not been honored or observed about the 1964 agreement. Everything has be observed to the letter.
All Zambians are treated equal, which is what the agreement projects. What is it that has been violeted????
Senior Citizen My first advise to you is change that name..Coz I have failed to see any signs of you being senior from your posts.. This same kind of ignorance is what brought this issue this far.. I could have ended a long time but your goverment that I feel you represent ignored now they are panicking threathening to arrest over 2000 pipo that will meet this friday.. Too many jokers in this country.. This Meeting will take place.. These pipo are strong willed and they will not be stopped by a threat…KI NAAKO!!
The groups coming up with threats of violence need to be stopped because surely that is unlawful.
Do they have a case? have they explained and clearly spelt out their case with substance? have they exhausted channeled of dialogue and advocasy for their cause?
They must undestand that Zambia is bigger than just them. Submitting their views over barotseland agreement 1964 to NCC does not mean instructing NCC to follow such views. Any issues submitted to NCC were not for automatic adoption. Debate and voting had to rull over issues in order to reach concesus.
I cannot say that because my submision was not considered I will resort to violence, Am I the only Zambian? Should I dictate my views over all Zambians? No, there are others with different views. In the same way, BA’ 64 must be ..
Any submission on Barotse Agreement must be treated as any other issue of concern to Zambians.
No particular group should force it on the rest of Zambians. If the issue is about including the Agreement in the constitution, this desire by the few people championing it should not automatically carry the day. Their are other Zambians that should should air their views over the matter.
And what is their to put in the constitutionm, anyway??
What is it that must be done that has not already been done or is not being done?
In which way will the putting of that agreement in Zambian constitution change the way things are being done now??
Other than being wishful, why can’t we be objective and be clear about our desires and spirations for what ever we want to archive by our courses of…
A commodity appears at first sight an extremely obvious, trivial thing. But its analysis brings out that it is a very strange thing, abounding in metaphysical subtleties and theological nicetie
It is absolutely impossible to transcend the laws of nature. What can change in historically different circumstances is only the form in which these laws expose themselves.
It is not history which uses men as a means of achieving – as if it were an individual person – its own ends. History is nothing but the activity of men in pursuit of their ends.
“A woman’s asking for equality in the church would be comparable to a Lozi person’s demanding equality”
“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”
“It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope.”
If I want bread with tea I must say so.
If I say give me something with drink without specifying what thing and what drink, anything and any drink will be offered. And to say i did not mean this drink after i have already been offered is counter-productive.
Therefore the people making demands about the Barotseland agreement must make their demands and claims clear so that the entire nation can follow. What is it that we want done that has not been done in the past, which we feel has violeted the Agreement of 1964??
What gain is there in hiding what you want? I listened to the gentleman on Muvi TV a few weeks ago being interviewed about Barotse agreement. When asked many times what it is that has been thrown away about the agreement he could not point a thing. Now why the threats?
These Lozis are full of mischief and confusion, I thin they have nothing to do, just go and catch Litapi. Namibians hate us Zambians today because of one Lozi who combined forces with a caprivian to fight the Namibian Government to surrender Caprive so that both can make Barotseland. Banda really should send commadors to wipe out these guys because the same guy is the leader of one of those malitia movement. Namibians did clear theirs and one of those malitias is exiled in Belgium. Banda just ask Namibians, they will tell the strategy of clearing those small flies hovering around the fish in western province. Western province will always be part of Zambia, period.
# 24. Well. one can clearly see how intellectually deficient you’re. I bet you’re busy hassling toilets and streets in the US today because honestly who would hire a lumpen like you for anything that involves the use of grey matter? It would only take a blind imbecile to claim, and quote: “no part of western province or her peoples are interested in the wishful rants of secession as called by terrorists. The Malozis are patriotic Zambians who believe in a strong and stable unitary state”. Which Malozi are you talking about here? Have you read news from there of late? Man, its either you’re blind, st.upid or indeed both. About Zambian soldiers dying and 200 being taken hostage by Foday Sankoh RUF rag tags, I will not waste my breath arguing with a fool like you, visit this site:…
I hope the negotiations between the BRE and the government are not one sided, because it seems like some people think that Western Province is for Lozis only and the entire Province is under the Litunga (chief of the Lozi, whoever that is). This is NOT the case.
The government should consult widely with other Chiefs in Western Province particularly Nkoya Chiefs who have already publicly stated that they want nothing to do with the BA64.
If the Government wants to make compromises with the BRE, then they should consult the Nkoya Royal Establishment (NRE) on the way forward because the BA64 affects and has implications on them and all Nkoya people who are natives to Western Province.
It will not be fair for the government to listen only to Lozi demands and ignore other stakeholder’s concerns on the status of Western Province.
The NRE has already put forward a credible solution which is to create a separate Province called Kafue Province. To me, I think this is the only long term solution to this problem.
We know that the BRE like to claim that even Nkoyas are part of the BRE, but we are NOT and we will never be part of it because the BRE’s idea of togetherness is where they are calling the shots and everybody in Western Province to be under the Litunga, this to us Nkoyas, is the issue that the government needs to deal with.
The Nkoyas are more native to Western Province than they so called Lozis (Kololo or Luyi). The Lozi claim that the Kololo (conqueror) attacked the Luyi (conquered) so in other words, they Lozi as we know them now are Luyi but speak the Kololo language.
The question is, if the Luyi regained their chieftainship under Lewanika the first, why are they not known as the Luyi people?
The truth is, the Luyi are there, that is where most of the so called Lozi Royal Family comes from, but this Luyi group only make up about 5% of the population of Western Province or Western Zambia.
If one was to divide all people in Western Province by tribe, you will find that the Luyi (or Lozi as they refer themselves these days) are a minority in Western Province, therefore the government of Zambia must not be too quick to make concessions to this minority group in Western Province.
Interesting enough, in the Nkoya language, the word Luyi means foreigner, as in the so called Luyi were referred to as foreigners by the native Nkoyas who where settled in Senanga, Kalabo, Mongulula ( or Mongu as it is called today) and other areas in Western Province.
In fact almost all names of districts in Western Province are named by the Nkoyas because they are the true natives of Western Zambia. Even the word Litunga, comes from the Nkoya language which simple means “land”. The Nkoyas would say “Bethile mu litunga lyetu mu mwaka so and so”… (This means “They came into our land in the year so and so”)
The issue here should not just focus on whether to honour the BA64 or not but to also establish first and foremost whether it was right for the British and later on the KK on behalf of the Republic of Zambia, to sign a one sided agreement that only favoured on ethnic group at the expense of others like the Nkoyas.
As Nkoyas, we are ready to take this issue as far as it can go. If the government decides to compromise with the BRE at our expense then we will consult much wider than the Government.
This could include the SADC, AU and ICC and other organisations that Zambia as a Country is signatory too. We are not taking this issue lying down.
However, we remain confident the government of the Republic of Zambia will be able deal with this matter in a fair, reasonable and peaceful way to ensure that whatever solution is arrived at should be acceptable to all stakeholders in Western Province particularly the Nkoya chiefs and their people.
We are aware that this is election time, which is the weakest moment for politicians as they seek re-election, so government especially Politicians, must look beyond their self interests not to come up with short term or half baked solutions, otherwise it will be back to square 1 and nothing meaningful would have been achieved.
And if the government decides to favour the BRE just so they can get elected back into office, then we will pursue our goals by any other means necessary. This might include departing from spearheading a peaceful non violent campaign.
Nkoya prince, your history is one concocted from a confused mind and oozes from a forked tongue. I’m Lozi and my composition is partly Kwangwa, Nyengo and Subiya. Sir Mwanawina Lewanika himself, the signitory of this agreement, was half Nkoya because his own mother, Ma Aongola, was Nkoya. So I wonder who the hell you are trying to cheat here by claiming that Lozis are a minority. We all know that the Lozi language as its spoken today is basically southern Sotho brought by Sebitwane. However, the original languages there are Kwangwa, Nyengo, Kwamashi etc and they are all intelligible because they are the original Luyana that was spoken there before the Sotho conquest. Next time you open your foul mouth, check your facts mutanga tuwe.
By the way Nkoya Prince, do you also happen to go by the name The Right Dis-honorable Austin Liato?
Lozis are a minority in Western Province that is why the BRE decided to a bring together all small tribes under the collective name of Lozi. Is it not the reason some of you here on this blog claim that Mbundas are Lozi as well just because you want to make it appear like Lozis are a big group?
Kwangwa, Nyengo, Mashi, Mbukushu etc are they not individual small tribes?
Please, if you want to debate or discuss this issue with maturity, then please cut out the insults.
What I have stated above are my opinions which I believe are factual. I can insult if I want but that will just down grade my comments to gutter level.
Austin Liato is Mbunda, I am Nkoya, if you have a problem with the MP, just sort it with him.
#73 Lozi mentality of just doing things to please themselves, but it will not work. You Lozis are a minority and lazy by nature thats why you want to secede so that other hardworking tribes can be working for you. You want royalty but so lady chaps, remember we are watching your moves closely. You are so selfish, if Barotseland was for all tribes in western province Litungaship was going to be rotational where every tribe would be entitled. If we are for unity of the province as you claim, why only one tribe takes the Litungaship. Your moves are just displaying your selfishness which was hidden and only known to people of western province, but alas the whole nation has come to know now who you are. Selfish, SELFISH AND EVEN GREEDY AND LAZY PEOPLE who just want to be laboured for.
Hooray Nkoya Princess, you told them!
ITS INTERESTING
1 TRIBES LIKE NKOYA AND MBUNDA FEAR SECESSION BECAUSE LOZIS WILL DOWNTREAD THEM
2 SATA IS HAPPY BECAUSE MMD WILL NOT HAVE A LOT OF VOTES FROM WESTERN PROVINCE THEN HE WILL BE IN PLOT 1 COME ELECTIONS
3 MMD IS AFRAID BECAUSE OF 2 ABOVE
4 BRE IS AFRAID BECAUSE MALOZI FEEL BRE HAS NOT LOBBYED FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR 46 SIX YEARS NOW AND BRE IS IRELEVANT. HENCE FORCING BRE TO SUCEDE
5 MALOZI WANT SECESSION BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY WILL HAVE TO BE SELF RELIANT IN 20 YEARS TIME IE THEY WILL HAVE INDUSTRIES, COLLEGES, GOOD ROADS EVERYTHING IN THEIR OWN BACK YARD
6 MALOZI DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THE REST OF ZAMBIA IS WORRIED.ITS THEIR POOR COUNTRY AND THEY WANT TO DEFINE THEIR DESTINY
Nkoya Prince – Well said. However, I would advise that you do not delimit yourself.
# 74 Nkoya Prince. I think its true that “those whose lives the lord wants to take he makes mad first. I doubt you are Nkoya because otherwise you will know that the tribes you have mentioned are the actual lozis. Check this out – Kwangwa (Mufaya Mumbuna), Nyengo (Nalumino Mundia), Mashi (Malimba Masheke), Mbukushu (Walubita Sipakeli). If I were you, I will just shut the damn f**K up than peddle in history you seem so ignorant about.
I also think you do not understand what I meant by saying that Kwangwa, Nyengo, Mashi and Mbukushu are intelligible, you need to go back to school my man. These languages, to put it in simple terms “zinopridrana” because they are all Luyana. Further, literally all the people from these so called tribes speak Lozi/Sotho too. It was only the Loziz in the flood plain and Sesheke who lost their Luyana speaking skills but that does not make them any less Luyana as compared to Kwangwas, Nyengos, Mashis or Mbukushus. If you do not believe me, check the names of all these so called tribes and soon you will realise they are one people.
If we swept aside politics and emotion for just 2 seconds, I feel the real issue is that it appears that there has been a deliberate policy of not developing the “region”. The statistics indicate that the “region” in comparison to the rest of the country has some of the highest rates of illiteracy, poverty, infant mortality, HIV infection etc. AND the lowest rates of development in 46 years in relation to schools, hospitals, industries and other infrastructure. It appears that even industries that were better suited to the region (e.g. glass factory) were set-up elsewhere apparently with strong political influence. Let’s remember that these were effectively two separate countries and to use an analogy entered into a marriage to become one. It appears that one partner has been neglecting.
(continued)……….It appears that one partner has been neglecting the other?
Is the answer cession? (i.e. divorce) I don’t think we are there yet? What we need to do is have open dialogue about the issue and not let dark forces use this very simple issue for their own agendas.
I think clause 7 (in the appendix of the agreement sums it up).
“The Government of the Republic of Zambia shall have the same general responsibility for providing financial support for the administration and economic development of Barotseland as it has for other parts of the Republic and shall ensure that, in discharge of this responsibility, Barotseland is treated fairly and equitably in relation to other parts of the Republic.”