UNITED Party for National Development (UPND) president Hakainde Hichilema’s chief adviser Douglas Syakalima has said Patriotic Front (PF) leaders would be a danger to national stability and development if Zambians made a mistake of voting for them in this year’s elections.
He has also advised the PF leadership to stop basking in past glory that the party was popular because the situation had changed.
Mr Syakalima, who is Siavonga Member of Parliament, said in Lusaka yesterday that the behaviour of PF leaders who rushed to expose what he termed as a confidential document to the public reflected poorly on their leadership qualities.
“Decisions are made by Cabinet in Government, now just imagine that the PF was in Government and if one of the members says let’s declare war against our neighbour based on an individual opinion, the country will be put on fire.
“Professor Clive Chirwa himself regrets that the PF decided to leak a confidential letter which PF secretary general Wynter Kabimba has now gone ahead to publish. What type of a party is PF that is so unethical? The entire PF is so unethical and uncouth,” he said.
He said no amount of propaganda would stop Zambians from believing that the PF had “assassinated the pact.”
Mr Syakalima said Mr Kabimba and some PF leaders had always looked for an opportunity to quit the pact and they had now found it through Prof Chirwa’s letter.
“Evidently, the PF have exited from the pact and Zambians should now judge them for who they are. [pullquote]Mr Sata has reportedly removed Kabwata parliamentarian Given Lubinda as the spokesperson and that he was now sidelining him from party activities for fear of being challenged for the position of party president.
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“We were genuine partners and intelligently so. Wynter Kabimba has been looking for an opportunity to exit, he tried in Chadiza and Kaoma,” Mr Syakalima said.
He said the PF, through Mr Kabimba and party president Michael Sata, had stopped all the meetings involving the pact working groups that were trying to harmonise the two party manifestos and constitutions.
He said while the UPND leaders were mindful of the ideological differences with the PF, they tried to work with the opposition party to fulfill the wishes of Zambians.
Mr Syakalima insisted that the party leaders were for the idea that they first harmonise the manifestos before rushing to choosing leaders.
“We tried to obey what the Zambians wanted and we don’t regret having gone into a pact with the PF because that’s what Zambians wanted. The only regret is the PF have killed the pact using the most uncouth and unmethodical ways,” he said.
Mr Syakalima said PF leaders should not brag about their past glory because many things had changed since the last elections.
“We had been encouraging our friends that they need to work hard in Luapula because they have lost popularity there and they cannot continue to claim they are the largest opposition party.
“Some of their MPs do not vote with us in Parliament, so how would they claim to be popular?” he said.
Efforts to get a comment from Mr Kabimba failed as his mobile phone went unanswered.
The PF/UPND pact has been rocked by a leadership crisis, which political commentators had concluded is a sign of the end of the opposition alliance.
Meanwhile, Mr Sata has reportedly removed Kabwata parliamentarian Given Lubinda as the spokesperson and that he was now sidelining him from party activities for fear of being challenged for the position of party president.
According to some PF sources, Mr Lubinda was dropped as the party spokesperson because of his pro-pact views, which the top leadership were opposed to.
When contacted yesterday, Mr Lubinda refused to comment on the matter.
Mr Sata, however, confirmed in an interview that Mr Lubinda was removed from the position but dispelled assertions that he was scared of being challenged.
He said Mr Lubinda had been given another position, which was awaiting ratification by the party’s central committee.
Mr Sata said Mr Kabimba was the chief executive and custodian of all party matters, and that he was the right person to speak for the party.
Meanwhile, former PF secretary general Edward Mumbi has said disclosures of alleged witchcraft in the PF are as a result of the party’s refusal to recognise Zambia as a Christian nation.
“The PF through Mr Sata himself is on record stating that they do not support the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation and if things like witchcraft allegations now start coming out of such a political party, then all what the Zambians can do is just watch and see if their leaders will condemn such vices or not,” Mr Mumbi said in Lusaka yesterday.
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UPND was formed so that a tonga can rule Zambia, we the Zambians know your motives you won´t get it until you stop your tribalistic stance. That why in my home village eastern province your ka party UPND does not exist.
Unless something comes out mighty quickly out of the pact polital bag, let UPND go it alone. You have shown enough maturity, patiency and wisdom despite the disconfort exhibited by the most selfish political lot. Lets move move right on, you are most probably better off with them, lest the sinking boat pulls you deeper even.
UPND,
Just pack your bags and go.The issue with the pact was not about harmonising manifestos or constitutions but to CHOSE a PRESIDENT and it was clear that your HH felt he was the better man.But a simple question that remains to be honestly answered is that who is more popular of the two and who commands a larger following?no sane person could give the presidency to HH.As for now I advise HH to either go and plead with SATA or RB otherwise come post 2011 elections ,he will be extinct.
There we go. Every sensible Zambian who was born before 80’s at least know what Sata is. He is an action man and that is not disputable, but the man cannot be trusted with the leadership of the country. Two former Head of State, Kaunda and Chiluba, have all alluded to this fact. The man is better as supervisor and not a manager. Those of us who have been around will never forget:
1) The Vigilantes who manaced ordinary citizens during the UNIP era. 2) The Chawama Panga running battles in which ordinary citizens were attacked by panga weilding MMD cadres. 3) The gun armed MMD cadres. 4) The man who was at the helm of The Third Term Campaign for FTJ. We can’t trust this man with defending the Zamnbian Constitution. Good remarks fro Syakalima. HH, go for it alone.
So far the only party that has shown maturity is the UPND. MMD is childish and petty though they seem to be working as seen from the infrastracture developments going on.PF is full of thugs not to be trusted with running a nation.Just look at the composition- wife beaters,adulterers,questionable priests,some guy accused of paedophlia in the US, the list goes on.Given Lubinda seems the most descent but Sata has silenced him or is it fired him.Please Zambia vote with your heads not your emotions.some of you cling to Satas past glory as health minister that surely can’t be the only thing to go by!
Hakainde had put it in clear words that UPND cannot by itself win elections thus his insistance that they go to polls as a pact. I wonder why people seem to be surprised as to why HH and his colleagues are pleading with the PF so that they maintain the pact. And is it not true that PF is larger and more popular than UPND? So where is the pride UPND?
We are burying your ka party this year, you think southern province can take your HH to state house, continue dreaming.
So the pact is really dead!!!! OK. “Good for HH, too bad for SATA “he will never test the goodness of state house. Upnd would have made it possible for him…Hakainde will will vote for you and show sata that political vews normally change!! VIVA HH
If UPND finds it hard to work with PF, they should just concentrate on making their party formidable and not insinuating that PF will be a danger to the stability of the nation.
What stability is Douglas referring to?
The country is on life support. The economic gains are just on paper and not tangible to the people. We are losing billions of dollars from copper
#1 John Phiri: Tongas have voted for leaders from other tribes 100% in the past. Check the records you *****. Only when it comes to a Tonga candidate do they become tribalistic. Its your dull types that still cant look to history and realise the bravery of every Zambian Tongas inclussive. Go to hell with your stupidity. The real tribalists are obvious. Dont bring that nonses out you dumb head, the world has moved own. You will end up ignighting a fire you wont manage to quench. Get down to reality man! You think no Tonga voted for President Banda? Are saying PF is out of PACT because they dont want HH to be President? That is a shame!
I now believe what people say that a tonga will never rule Zambia until they learn to associate with others.Even if the all SOUTHERN PROVINCE inclubing children vote HH. He will never go to state house coz Zambia is not only your province.
We will not sit idle and watch John Phiri isult Tongas like that, some of us are married to Bemba women.Our children hav Tongs-Bemba blood flowing in thier vein If John put this nation on tribal flames where will our children go.John should just shut his mouyh if he has nothing to say.Igniting tribal sentiments especially during this election year is very
dangerous.
John phiri is actually the worst tribalist we have on this fora. He is bemba and i will disclose his full names if he disputes this.. UPND has all the tribes in their top leadership.How many Bembas and their relatives Namwanga/Bisa are in PF.Lubinda had savedyour image abite but is now kicked out!!! Your Bemblish pride will not take your sata anywhere!! us true easterners are never tribalist! we vote for anyone be it HH or RB even your dictator.
Chaps like John Phiri can really nauseate us with their tribal attacks on other people. Can you please discuss real issues, not exposing your favor for your uncle RB.
*****s like J Phiri cannot even smell a rat when a good leader like G Lubinda is sidelines, instead insuniates about petty tribal issues. It has been confirmed that Sata trusts Winter instead of Given, 2. Sata is very undemocratic, someone wants to challenge your position, you sideline him.I have to agree with UPND, PF has wrong advisors for Sata in the name of W Kabimba. From the begining this pact was doomed, you could hear very bad comments coming from this man and I wonder was it not Sata in disguise. Anyway, Sata has blown his last chance to be near plot 1.
As for UPND, just pick the pieces, you are party for the…
Ba lusaka times How much is MMD giving you .
So the only reason you wanted the PACT was to use PFs numbers. Go to hell.I only hope ToZ has misquoted you.
PF has been selfish from the begining and everyone knows that. The fact stil stands, they will never rule this country as far as zambia is concerned. Viva UPND, you are the only credible opposition party!
Useless.Go it alone and let us see.Good luck.
I doubt if I will line up to waste my time to vote…why should I? Rubbish!!!
What really amazes me is that people think when your tribesmen rule than it makes you better than other people.Imagine yourself in a marriage,its indisputable a man will always want to please his wife,the same with politics.If an Easterner rules his priority will be those provinces he has no popularity to further his support.Let John Phiri deceive himself that things will be better if a tribesman rules forget.Tongas have always been taught not to depend of other people,but work with your hands for whatever you wish for.
John dont be too excited about tribalism,jst debate on principle and not tribe because you are jst hurting us who have no interest in politics.
We dont mind who rules,what we mind is who controls the money supply.
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BLACK MAN’S CHILD- Be realistic, you thought Sata was just going to give HH the presidency without a fight? Let HH try MMD if RB will just say yeah you can be MMD/UPND Pact president, try it.
# 7, its not about southern province wanting to have a president because there is really nothing you can brag about eastern province. Nothing really! What is in eastern province anyway? Is it the newly built railway line that you have seen and you think you can start demining other people from some provinces. Let us just promote the unity of One Zambia One Nation. Otherwise you will cry the loudest when votes are counted.
Douglas, Douglas!! Dont try and put it like upnd is a lot better tha PF. There are equally hopeless characters in upnd and who in fact are misleading HH. If HH is not careful, he may never see the political dawn after 2011 elections. Some of these characters misleading him were in mmd and have not changed a bit!!
What Prof. Chirwa proposed was the best given the existing circumstances, it is painful for upnd but it is the truth. There is political life for both the upnd party and its members beyond 2011. In fact, they will have come out more focused and maybe the wrong guys will leave the party.
Am Tonga, i voted for PF in last year’s election, now am hurt by John Phiri’s sentiments.Am not voting anymore.Am jst going to concentrate on my farm and Business.Let John Phiri ride his tribal horse and we see where it takes him.
We are jst worried of our children with people like John Phiri around
Finally i have nothing to vote for. Rupiah is much better than SATA can hakainde is the best but very few pipo accept this fact. i better stay home
Why is it that it is always UPND attacking the credibility of PF whilst we dont hear the same from their colleagues? I guess UPND is noisy and has lost sense of direction. It is an infant party with untested leadership. They need to be harnessed by seasoned politicians. UPND members behave like they are herding cattle in the grazing land. At the NCC’ meetings they supported two clauses aimed at denying Sata an opportunity to run for elections. They supported an MMD orchestrated clause which required a presidential candidate less than 70 years old. This was before RB came into power who unfortunately would have been caught up with this clause if it had passed. Secondly, UPND ganged up with MMD to support a clause which required a first degree qualification for a presidential candidate.
Well, my dear African Brothers. I thought i would rule for ever like my friend……..Kumulu….panshi.
Now am retired uncelemoniously.My Advisce is that Old folks please retire.
Its sad i cant even enjoy my money
Those saying upnd is a tribal party are just cowards who have nothing to offer on the political scene and even the nation. As far as many zambians are concerned, it is us Bembas who are tribalists, because these other tribes showed that they are not tribalists by over whelmingly voting for FTJ Chiluba in 1991 who is a Bemba, hence the question is what have we done to receprocate?. What many zambians now see is whenever a Tonga, Lozi, Luvale etc stands as presidential candidate it becomes tribalism. My Bemba fellows we have to be fair in our dealings as nearly everyone is aware of our tricks. Remember we are dealing with conservatives who value diginity and respect
Children please dont fight each other over what language you indentify with…the issue here is that Douglas has said PF would be a hot potato in plot 1….so we should be focused on that and not whether he speaks in a language of his forefathers….we have long said an alliance based on greed doesnt work…lets allow for the three fore parties to race for manda hill, PF,UPND and MMD…may the best man win…
Ask anybody who has worked with the Cobra before, the guy just changes from nowhere. He actually is a Chameleon lets learn from the past. You can fool some people at a point but u cant fool everyone all the time.
Iwe Chi Mumbi witchcraft is all over Zambia, including MMD….remember Katele???? Talk about sensible things for once!
i know that i will never rule this country, its just old age that is troubling me! J Phiri! you can hang yourself leave UPND alone, UPND was honest with us but we wanted to manipulate them. we are losing everything cant you see! Luapula is no longer ours! chiefs in Northern province rejected me! ulemona ndesekala mo iwe! ulekwata amano! ngauleyangala fwe ba bemba tatwakateke po nakabili pantu ubushilu ubu bwine ulelanga pali iiyi fora bengi abalemona! kuti nakutoba amapi nga wachiba mupepi!
#11. John Phiri, John Chipili or whatever you call yourself, Southern Province has been in the opposition for over 10 years but you have never heard them cry of hunger, underdevelopment or anyother negative vices. Actually Southern is more developed than provinces that have had Presidents. You cant force southerners to vote for numb-skulls by calling them tribalists. Southerners will always vote for whoever they feel is best in any particular election and nothing you say will sway them. Tongas are naturally hard workers and thats why you never find them begging in streets. They will always vote for the best no matter what: they voted for Chiluba in 91(though he turned out to be an ***hole); they voted for late Dean in 96, Voted for Mazoka in 2001. So what tribalism areyou talking about? as
Those who talk of change under Sata’s leadership are just abusing the word “change” and they better stop it. Sata messed up the MMD which Banda is still busy cleaning up, then you want to bring him back in the name of change, Zambians advise me I do not see it as change to the better unless you mean to the worste. Sata has been their from UNIP to MMD and while in MMD his deeds were so bad that it makes me cry to recall some of them. Kaunda and Chiluba warned us about this man that he can be a danger to the nation, as such he is much better as a supervisor and not a top leader. Just look at the composition of his top leadership, Mwamba, Wynter Kabimba etc no maturity at all. I would rather vote for a dog than my tribeman Sata, because the man is a danger to society.
John Phiri
Shut the **** up. This is a different era which tribal issues dont matter. I urge you to sober up and reason like a human being. Chimbwi iwe!!!
I we Chansa you are blind to the reality. Change is coming and it is PF at the top whether you like it or not. Have you joined Edward Mumbi, Lufwekelo and Chifire?
well,am worrie of Gadafi, let him just give in
Thats how we also feel, when you call us people who grow up on the copperbelt ati KAPONYAS just coz we speak bemba…for those of you who are doubting my real name JOHN PHIRI its your own problem. Continue dreaming.
Does Douglas want to be in opposition perpetually??? Some of these leaders have no vision for the future.
WE WILL NOT SLIP LET SATA GO ALONE AS HE IS WAITING HIS HEART ATTACK,VIVA UPND WE ARE VOTING FOR UPND I WILL NOT SLIP SATA IS THE WORST PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE THIS YEAR WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR THINKING MENTALITY OVER DEVELOPMENT
Bane Sata is the worste man we can put as president, unless if we want the country to be divided. His past actions are enough evidence of who he is, and mind you habits grow as you get old, so in short the man is worse than he was before. Sata can be the next Gaddafi of Libya who does not accept other people’s views only his and his trustees. If us Bembas want a leader, let us just look for someone else not this old God forsaken man who will just tarnish our tribe.
I wish to apologise to my brother brother Mpombo, you know i thought i will be forever in power.Kansi Mpombo, thjis is how you feel.Its cold out here.I miss those swing chairs and lovely aircons.Well, its life.
Now George how did you manage all this time, i need your advise.Its tough out here
I have said it before and I will reiterate that the best thing for the UPND if they cannot work with the PF is to pull out and concentrate on organising their party in readiness for the forth coming elections or let it die a natural death.
The UPND seems to spend more time discussing the PF so as to try and improve their image to the Zambian people. This PACT thing is not inscribed in stone so HH and company should move on and have a life.
The biggest issue for the PACT is to chose a Presidential candidate and only when this is done will there be progress towards committees and manifestos as there is need for direction by one cardinal leader.
Just moving in circles and attacking the PF will not help you win the elections. Move on before its too late.
Being popular is not synonymous to being intelligent.Yes PF is popular among illiterates & Tribalistic intellectuals but they cant win national vote because they luck the intelligency to do it.
The statement from UPND is spot on. It confines PF to what they are. Remember, Kabimba destroyed ZRP of Ben Mwila, he was secretary general. PF are a scam bug for this nation. It opens like this Savage Sata and closes with Ngoma. The rest operate in that bracket. SATA has serious violent issues and perceptions to deal with, Ngoma too is facing charges of violence and abduction. Zambians open your eyes, UPND, is the real change.
GO GO MR. SATA you have all the support from the Zambian people no matter what bad things people may say about you.
#36, I am on the ground and I know what is going on in my society, Sata will not take it this time around because nearly every zambian is now aware of who this man is capable of doing. Old habits die hard bane. Honestly Zambians how can we vote for a party without a manifesto like pf, what are they hiding in their heads that they cannot put on paper for all of us to see and judge them. This man is really a danger as far as am concerned. He will just one day wake up as a dictator, he is the one who proposed to Chiluba when he was local government minister to not recognise the Litunga as Chief of Barotseland and today he can claim to please Lozis. WAKE UP ZAMBIANS TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR NATION BY ELECTING QUALITY LEADERSHIP IN 2011.
Continue dreaming UPND but the fact is you will never never never win on your own.
John Phiri, is a symbol of dictatorship.He is quarrelsome and is an adent scholar of colonial teachings of divde and rule.
I wonder if this man has ever attended any religious school or church where good morals are taught.John if you are listening and man enough stop that nonsense of tribalism.
Here is simple advise” If you need a better life, dont cling on your mother’s skirt go out and work, it doenst matter what you do, but go out and work”
This politics will not take you anywhere, Imagine yourself in Business, Will you refuse my money just because am Tonga, will you refuse to open a branch in choma jst becasue there are tongas there.Politicians thrive on Propaganda, if you follow it passionately you will die of heart attack”
think like a businessman and a man my friend,
When Sata was commiting all those atrocities such as the Chawama Saga, he thought we would forget like chickens, what you do today will come to haunt you in future. So Sata is being haunted by his past thats why people or rather leaders should learn to be upright because their actions today speak louder tomorrow. We do not want to jump from a frying pan into fire. We deserve better change not these jokers in the name of Sata, GB Mwamba, Wynter Kabimba, Mushili(the swindler) etc.
No pact no vote.waste of time. At least we know that our leaders are selfish and just to be in power at all cost and not serve the suffering masses.Go alone as PF or UPND,you will be surprised.
God bless Zambia.
GO GO MR. SATA you have all the support from the Zambian people no matter what bad things people may say about you…..look @ this thinking,honestly how does he have the support from zambians when some people are talking bad things on him,you ll walk alone if you think you are strong….UPND you will never walk alone,western, southern north westernn part of lusaka and central plus part of eastern its zambia forward,Sata has insulted our chiefs in the name of a leader,insulted tongas lozis kaondes…now who is more tribal,he uses bemba in his rallies when others use tonga ati they are tribal….help me who is a tribalist??????????is a certain tribe more tribal than others save us mother zambia
I support PF for sidelining Lubinda.He ditched ULP & UPND to just have a bow of soup in parliament.Mr SATA has the right to sideline Lubinda.this man is a “Muselela kwakaba”, god know which party he’s gonna join now.
The same goes to Mike, He was laughing lungs out at Mpombo.Guys Life is like a turning wheel.I admire Mutati and Chituwo, these guys are just hands on their work.
Thats how we are to live our political life, not thriving on insulting other people.Imagine Mulongoti telling Mpombo that he will assist bring Cigars when he is in Jail, now where will he find money to buy cigars for mpombo becoz his well is now dry.
Respect people all the time who know what tomorrow brings.Am sure Lubinda and Mulongoti have leant a bitter leason
Ba Chansa what ground are you talking about? Are you campaigning for MMD or UPND when the writings are clear on the wall that PF has made inroads? UPND is suffering from a popular envy. MMD is a sinking party surviving on spinning and cheating. FTJ has put it so clearly that they will apply international tricks. He did that for Levy in 2001 when it was clear that he had no support on the ground. If you listened to Xavier’s testimony during the petition he clearly stated that OP gave him a report that the MMD’s candidate had no chance of winning hence they resorted to rigging. Dont be myopic and less track of the history. Always get back to archives before you speak the language of a cadre like Edward Mumbi who is paid to say what he is doing.
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Kinako!!!!!!!! Now is the time to see who one is truly. SATA and the famous pabwato of the Bemba people have shown us their true colours. HH and the tonga people and RB of the ngoni people have too. Who do we entrust leadership with? KINAKO!!!!!! Now is the tme
Does UPND want to be in Opposition forever?? This is the best chance for HH to be part of the Government and Market himself countrywide as VP. 5 years as VP is not a long time and can be used to study how Government operates. MMD is on a war path to disorganize the PACT for they surely know that they do not stand a chance against it. They will pay weak souls like Douglas and Chalwe to discredit the partner and hope things will not Move. HH wake up and do the right thing. MCS’s age is against him. 5 years down the line he will retire having fulfilled his dream of being president and cleaning up the country for you.
Guys, as much as you dont like Mr sata, am pleading that you dont engage into insults.Out traditional values demand that we respect our Parents.Mr Sata is our Parent, therefore deserves our respect.
I advise you to debate with civility
I am now in a serious predicament. I really wanted the Pact to succeed. I still have hope that it will succeed. A combined team of energetic and intelligent younger men in HH and old experienced league in Sata – jointly and while working together – are the best hope we have than the Ruphia click. I am dreading the poverty that Zambia will have when MMD wins under Ruphia.
Objectively speaking, I think the PF over stepped their boundary. I have read the letters in the Post. Clearly Clive had very pure intentions – God bless him. All PF needed to do is to call a mtg, table the proposals and reach proper humane agreement – then go to the press!! I think they fautered here. But they are human – is it possible that UPND can reconsider??? Who will SAVE Zambia Kanshi??
I totally i agree with Mr. Siyakalima, PF is a bunch of wrong chaps. In its present form in terms of character, PF alone is incapable of running the affairs of the country. Joining forces with UPND would have helped PF to raise its capability to govern. If PF won elections, can you imagine Sata being the president and Kabimba being his vice president, then cabinet ministers you have Willie Nsanda, Kambwili, GBM, Jean Kapata etc. What a country that would be! PF is party is full of people with unstable minds (kaponya minded people). Even on this blog, UPND and MMD supporters use cival language, PF supporters are so insulting, tribal, and not thoughtful in thier contributions. PF supporters lack the mental strength to debate so they just go into rants and insults. Guys this is 2011!
totally i agree with Mr. Siyakalima, PF is a bunch of wrong chaps. In its present form in terms of character, PF alone is incapable of running the affairs of the country. Joining forces with UPND would have helped PF to raise its capability to govern. If PF won elections, can you imagine Sata being the president and Kabimba being his vice president, then cabinet ministers you have Willie Nsanda, Kambwili, GBM, Jean Kapata etc. What a country that would be! PF party is full of people with unstable minds (kaponya minded people). Even on this blog, UPND and MMD supporters use civil language, PF supporters are so insulting, tribal, and not thoughtful in thier contributions. PF supporters lack the mental strength to debate so they just go into rants and insults. Guys this is 2011!
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iwe chi mumbi you such an ass hole why talk about pf
Sensibly ignore John Phiri’s remarks. There is hardly any comment he makes without the word tribal. Actually, he thinks he can use that to gain sympathy from others. Zambians have learnt to think beyond tribe, except the uninformed.!! We just want credible Zambian leaders, PERIOD.
Chances of UPND wining the polls alone stands at 25%, PF alone 61%. PACT 90%
Ba Times of Zambia, when Edward Mumbi opens the mouth you think its news. Ask him inembo akwata mu musana (tattoos around the waist), is it modern medicine or black magic?
Why should it be a problem that PF accepted the proposals in public. This is called openess so the UPND must fulfil its part instead of sulking.
The differences have been narrowed down that the main issue of Presidential candidate is resolved.
How come Prof Chirwa, as an emissary has been quite over the issue when the UPND insinuates that the proposals he delivered were his personal feelings and had no party blessing. The major problem to be seen is that everyone in UPND is a party spokesperson and can release a press statement at any time.
If Prof Chirwa regrets his involvement, then let him come out and say so instead of being misrepresented. Or has displinary action been taken against him pending expulsion?
Hey its a fact that tongas have been selfish in the PACT…you have been going round lusaka saying HH is the right person for PACT presidency and now will see which pact he will stand on. Swallow yo pride gents. This man says confidential, how confidential was that doc if all u claim is that was his opinion and not upnd? lets see hw popular u hv become these days by going it alone….but donchi kubeba ati thats the end of this party and political career of hh.
On the contrary, southerners have never depended on politics for their livelihood. they are the only province in Zambia that have thrived through different governments and ideology because they are principled and hardworking citizens and do not care who is in plot 1. They have therefore attained a level of freedom that the rest of the country can only imagine possible if they have a tribesmen in State house. Truth be told guys, who has ever seen anyone beg on the streets in Tonga? they are proud people and they understand that government is only a facilitator and not a guardian to literally “put more money in your pocket.”
Shame,shame to people like J Phiri who is so shallow and minor in thinking. Does he think Zambia is a small country? Itis very unfortunetely that chaps like Phiri can expose themselves like that. My little advise to such charecters is that, please roll yourself off and get to hell with your stupid thinking. Infact PACT came in not because of any TRIBE but for all reasoning ZAMBIANS. J PHIRI you are very useless and the worst thing we can ever have in this country. GO to hell with your RB.
LT please DELETE the name on # 55.Even if you dont like RB & Dora, please lets restrain ourselves from being this disrespectful.
I think Phiri John is even a racist!!!, people have been fighting racism and now you bring in tribalism, you are so so s-t-u-pid and empty head!. Debate real issues, every statement made by UPND , tribal this, tribal that? You b-a-stard!
Iam tumbuka but HH will not lead Zambia. Trust me. UPND won solwezi/ mufumbwe/ chilanga not because they are more popular than MMD but because PF members voted for them.
Current situation: southern province Upnd must not forget that mmd has a lot of support within southern province and they will split the outcome there. Maybe mmd will score a lot of votes there. Come to western province upnd forget. Lsk, Copperbelt, northern, luapula, and eastern provinces upnd knows the answer I will not comment for these provinces. Northwestern province is still part Of mmd as long as the pact is no more.
Pf may stand a good chance even If they go alone because mmd has Lost western province to milupi and other parties. Mmd won the 2008 elections because of the poor lozi people who were given soya…
It appears the UPND would rather see MMD in power than Front Patriotic
….soyachanks. Here the game is pf and mmd.
The issue of who leads scares the shit of the upnd leadership. They are scared because they are not sure about their positions if the pact wins under sata leadrship. It’s the same if upnd joined mmd, what position will Garry and other upnds have in the government. For example nevers joined mmd as vice president but all his leadership from NCC remained in the cold. In short non of them got any appointment in the grz.this is the scare of everybody in both parties. Same applies to pf members if sata came in as vice. ……this situation just scares the sh iit out of Garry, siyakalima and other tonga cadres. To make thewhole story short… A tonga will not rule Zambia through an election. Never never never.
I might be wrong but, it looks like:
1. Siakalima and Kabimba sound like they are singing from the same song sheet for the Press.
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2. Edward Mumbi is not only a whistle blower but also basking in being LT’s main source of information
While you are censuring john phiri you must also censure ka Maestro hhe hhe who never wastes a moment to disparage so-called Bemba speakers. I do not see this kind of inflammation when that little shyte pens his vitriole… john is incidentally returning the greeting albeit in equal measure that renders both sides wrong!
ITS STUPI.DY FO.OLS imbiciles LIKE john phiri that make PF a very tribal party and hence the reason well meaning zambians have decided to hurt PF, so reasonning belong to the stone age. this guy nauseates me with his hurt for TONGAS, tongaz supported chiluba,kk all were bembas and southerners voted for them 100% read your history
no. 26- I concur with you, MMD backtracted on degree clause because RB did not graduate, a man who has now settled in a rural area of Zambia was with him at unversity in Europe confirmed this, actually he did not complete the studies and chose a diplomatic job from KK. George Kunda should not lie to you that they just decided to drop the degree clause out of nothing but they realised that their leader was not a unversity graduate
I don’t trust every person called politician. Devil you know is better than devil u don’t know. I have not known HH in any puplic office which can confirm to me that he will perform. The world has hard educated politicians who have failed to run. So do not tell me that you trust HH better than mulongoti or sata. Chiluba once said “akamupando aka kalilowasana” no matter who is there, it does not matter what sort of education that person has our constitution gives too much power to thehead of state.
If this year pass, I do not see HH leading UPND. The individuals will abandon the part. Mark my words. Same with PF once they lose trust me they will shrink to nothing. Chipimo will have a good run in 2016.
I am sure upnd will not ever win a Zambian election. Just during you convetion you..
# 74 You are a moron, take your tribal non-sense to you fellow numb skulls!!!!
John Phiri is from Northern province and not Eastern province. He will fight tooth and nail to protect his PF and Michael Sata.
no. 28 – FTJ is not Bemba. Bembas come from Northern province, in Luapula there are Ushis, Ngumbos, Lunda etc. Equally KK is not Bemba, his parents only settled in Chinsali for missionary work. Dont mislead people. NO Bemba has ruled Zambia before.
So HH and Syiakalima think that they can rule with their limited thoughts, let them go to hell, they will never rule this country, We know how Tonga`s are?…. Greedy, selfish big headed and they are braggadocio. They are a small party only popular in southern province which disqualifies them to rule zambia.
Ba PF whats ur take on the happenings in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya, it looks like u ve buried ur heads in the sand when the rest of the World is saying no to oldies like Ba MC Sata. Dont cheat yourself that PF will form GRZ without UPND otherwise both UPND n PF will forever be in Opposition and that will be the demise of PF for it looks like without Ba MC Sata PF is dead.
The time for PF has passed. Time in opposition has exposed them for what they are-a gathering of crookes. By having no economic plan on their agenda, they have shown us what they are about. Those who support PF do it for tribal reasons. No sane Zambian would want Sata and his band of thieves to lead Zambia. Actually Sata is now campining for nostalgical reasons, Luckily for Zambia we can see them for what they are. HH has his best chance by alining with MMD.
I felt betrayed by the PACT the very day i was told they will not disclose the person to stand. There is no way you can work without supporting one another. We needed change as Zambians like 1991. Now i believe that change is not this year. Maybe 2016. VIVA MMD the devil we know……………………….
no. 60 & 61 Dawa 1 – There are lot of credible people in PF who can make good Cabinet, do not over rate yourself with your UPND
Stop insulting Tongas, ulefwaya bakalete Bullotse Landa. Anyway no Tonga or Lozi will rule this country, mutubepe!!!!!!!!!!
No 72 thats a very wrong analysis coz if you use that then mmd stands a beta chance coz where upnd or pf or who ever will win they will be number two and since its simple majority they will still get it.Thats why need the pact.
Seriously speaking…at this stage: its cry 4 my beloved country.
A pact that brought hope en good life to many zambians has died due to selfish leaders…
this fool John Phiri cant be from the East. He is Satas bastaerd. typical bembal thieve
Fellow Zambians lets not be tribal even if we hate Sata, HH or RB. Lets debate issues and as much we need to scrutinse our presidential candidates lets not use tribal remarks, but what they can do for us as a nation, mind you all presidential candidates need all tribes if they have to rule us.
# 89, your very right if the all the opposition parties in Zambia think they can go it alone this year then MMD is bouncing back coz of that crazy animal called simple majority or is it first past the post. Why can’t the opposition learn from the 1991 Polls?
no. 91 rb – you have got hate for Bembas, which Bemba man had stolen from you to justify your foolish sweeping statement that Bembas are all thieves. Is Mabenga Bemba or Professor Benjamin Mweene. All tribes have got bad elements. Dont be stupid, you *****.
no. 93 – you have a point Good day.
One simple question and i promise i will not bother anyone again! We want to get rid of RB because we do not accept his plan which he has already shown us in the way he is running the country right? And we would rather have the pact which promises to implement what plan?
Chansa (# 28), speak for yourself! Dont bunch all Bembas in your myopic tribal sentiments.If you wear tribal glasses, dont think we all do. All tribes have a lot of good meaning fellows and of course a few bad ones. And who told you that chiluba is Bemba?
deja vu. TOZ has not misquoted them. thats exactly what many right thinking Zambians know about satana. look at what has happened to lubinda. you also thought you could use UPND to get southern and western vote mwanyala. you will get zero. and also forget eastern and northeastern (mambwe, namwanga and lungu land will never vote sata), luapula is gone also. and for lusaka and CB we will share. most women and educated people in the urban areas will vote MMD and UPND leaving PF only with bus conductors and street kids who do not have even voters cards
In Lusaka and copperbelt there is more than one tribe, If PF is popular in this areas, what tribalism are you talking about??
PF = chroloquine which has been phased out of use in Zambia. UPND is the current regiment Quoatem. Tiye nayo.
Now ba Mule you say it is transparency for Kabimba to accept publicly prof Chirwa’s proposals and ignore other earlier correspondences. If this is openness then there is deceit in that openness. Get a copy pf Today’s Post and read all correspondences between Prof Chirwa, Kabimba, and Winston Chibwe of UPND. I FOUND PF’S announcement childish, irresponsible, immature, uncouth, unreasonable, unsound, un, un un un un un un un …. Look, Prof Chirwa wrote his thoughts based on his interactions and addressed his thoughts to Sata and HH and copied it to Kabimba, Guy Scott, Kapita and Chibwe. Those were thought provoking suggestions to both and sincerity demands that Kabimba goes to…
Fellow countrymen and women, can’t you read between the lines that this pact is a joke. This day you hear this and the other day you hear something else. Confusion. RB adzapitapo faa monga njinga pa bridge yakumudzi mnthawi ya mvula. Mudzaonako.
Vj rigger, I have also advised Lt to actually permanently bad No. 55 by his I. P address so he will never send a comment through. Even if he changed detIls he would still be bared
UPND, tells them ‘we have received these suggestions from Prof Chirwa, let’s meet, is this true? I think for us as PF we agree with this and hear from UPND since the proposals were not coming from UPND but an individual UPND member. Chirwa mwade it clearer in his letter that such were his personal views, not collective views of UPND. So Kabimba organised press briefing with blessing of Guy and Sata to publicly announce acceptance. If this is not deceit, then I don’t know what is. Kabimba’s press briefing was calculated to achieve the current results, to frame UPND, bind them and bundle them in the PF boat without question. Same Kabimba and Ci Sata have never even acknowledged letters by HH for months and months, they simple ignore HH in their starring manner, now they are in own trap
Democracy, Democracy! will continue to elude us for years to come. I said democracy! yes but am not sure what it means, because my colleague just told me that the people of Zambia wanted a PACT between UPND & PF, I told him wait a minute which people certainly not me then he turned around and said but the majority! then I said who counted the majority! then he said have you seen the PACT rallies? then I asked him; are the rallies synonymous with democracy and do all those guys attending PACT rallies supporters of the PACT and are they registered voters? or have no job and have to find something to occupy themselves with? my colleague was getting annoyed at my questions.. come down I advised him, votes will be counted and the real figures will tell the majority..
#84 AND # 1 YOU HAVE BRAINS ON YOUR BUTOCKS. ANY ONE WHOWHO TALK THINGS ON TRIBLE LINES IS MORE USELESS THAN A MAD DOG. SO CHECK YOUR LANGUAGE YOU STUPID FOOLS WHO DISCUSS TRIBES.
keep dreaming as long as SATA is in the game HH will never be president he has just lost an opportunity to be president in 2016 due to his supporters misleading him, i am on the ground people are saying we want change and that change is SATA AS THE PRESIDENT OF ZAMBIA whether pact or no pact.
NO TONGA SHALL EVER RULE ZAMBIA PERIOD
CHONA
NKUMBULA
MAZOKA
6 ft UNDER WE SHALL CONTUINE TO BURY YOU
KA HH is never gonna win…let all tongas including the dead and unborn vote for him, whole of zambia will vote RB the devil you know
iwe John Phiri they is no chance for HH of the Tonga tribal party to win its better Sir Sata or Sir Banda are in power imagine them Tongas in power amama we can suffer
Even 2020 the Tongas will be dreaming of HH in plot 1, hey but then again they are all allowed to dream in cattle dreams
For all those who are insulting me because of my first comments remember what we were told after the death of Mazoka( mhsrip). WE WERE TOLD THAT ACCORDING TO THE UPND CONSTITUTION A TONGA SHOULD BE A PRESIDENT of the party WITH 2 VICE PRESIDENTS 1 FROM NORTHERN PROVINCE AND THE OTHER ONE FROM NORTH WESTERN PROVINCE. So get the facts before you insult me coz i am speaking the truth.
PF have really blown it this time sidelining Given? he was the only sane person in PF. Am going for HH……..
PF have really blown it this time sidelining Given! he was the only sane person in PF. Am going for HH it’s settled.
Phiri iwe! that statement was made a very long time ago by a somewhat irresponsible member of the UPND but believe me of the two parties (UPND and PF) UPND has shown more maturity and professionalism. I’ve always been a PF supporter but this time around am going the HH route…. Am Bemba by the way and you’re my mbuya.
Lady N 111
vote HH all u like , its all but a wasted vote
Then again this HH is from your tribe
106 john phiri
When did you become a spokesperson for Zambians?People have the right to choose leaders of their choice just like you also have you own right
Lady N says:
thats good you are not refuting what what was said.
BELIEVE ME PEOPLE, I THINK THAT THINK IS STILL PART OF THE UPND CONSTITUTION, AT NO TIME HAVE WE HEARD THAT THE UPND HAS AMENDED ITS CONSTITUTION SO IF HH RESIGNS TODAY ITS MEANS ONLY A TONGA SHOULD TAKE OVER FROM HIM IS THAT WHAT zambians WANT…NO NO NO……….you think you are the only ones who know how to talk wait we shall finish your ka party.
This is very sad indeed. And to think most of these threads being posted are coming from adult Zambians (fathers and mothers even). MY HEART BLEEDS FOR MOTHER ZAMBIA! Now coming to the “topic of discussion” The article clearly states that the letter was confidential, Kabimba of all people should know what that implies. The UPND was probably prepared to give up the presidency but only (and rightly so) after getting some assurances, for the PF to act in that manner was very immature. Anyway the biggest loser here is Sata, this was the old man’s last chance and he blew it.
But I thought politix iz about numberz and not just a so called better candidate? Can somebody mention here, realistically, among the oppozition, who haz thoze numbers?
for john phiri ;
i believe you have a very immature way of thinking.
Nothing is objective in every blog you post; its either tonga this, tonga that. Its very sad that your mental capability does not extend beyond tribal lines. I truly believe that you do not represent any bemba or easterner from the comments you posted. I believe all these people are beyond you.
Im beginning to think you were born in the wrong era. This is the time to unite and you cry foul????
Thank God not all Zambians have your thinking capacity. We are rational people who do not show hatred to anyone. MAYBE YOU ARE NOT EVEN ZAMBIAN??????
Mr Douglas Syakalima.whether you blame PF or not both of you UPND and PF if you decide to go it alone no one will win.Unless you enjoy being opposition party.The best is for you UPND and PF to sit and chart the way forward as pact.While zambians will continue to suffer, you will lose more money just being in the opposition.The two of you have disappointed zambians and the blood of the many suffering zambians will be on you two political parties becoz of your imaturity in handling political differences.
@ THE ONLY LIVING JAY
Good question, but you should ask yourself “DOES PF HAVE THE NUMBERS TO WIN ON THEIR OWN??????
PF is the most tribal party zambia has ever produced.Atleast UPND has tu cosmetic mixture of other tribes.So ka johnni uchinje we ka pumbu wee.
John Phiri chik.ala just fcuk offfffffffffffffffff! You and Edward Mumbi share the same brain! What does he gain from the allegations of witchcraft in PF! As for UPND, its quite late for you to realise now the calibre of PF’s leadership anyway try what you can but it will be tough. John Phiri kalale!!!! By the way Sata sidelining Given is the same as RB firing Mulongoti. These are the same people mwebantu, we should move on!
I wander what the Tongas did to # 1 John Phiri. every argument on this block that has nothing to do with Tongas this man will find his way to insult us. whatever we did to you man we are sorry, forgive us we do not mean any harm to the nation. you seem to be the only one who comment on this Tonga tribalism. remember if your children are reading you comments about the Tongas they grow up in that same spirit which i think is not good for people living together. Try plz to transcend this and concentrate on attacking people’s arguments and not attacking people. whoever you are and whatever a Tonga person did or said to you plz consider the goodness of the future. remember that those comments you post they hate us innocent Tongas how have no idea about this tribalism thing. plz i beg.
Phiri, please…….. it’s high time your party stopped talking about how you’re going to finish this and that party. Can your party tell us what they are going to do for this country and how. Personally am tired of all this character assasination. What Zambia needs is a Zambian president to lead us. Not a Tonga, Bemba, Ngoni etc, the critria here should be a Zambian citizen with a real concern for this country and its citizens. Not people that are power hungry with no knowledge of what they are supposed to do, always being told what to do etc, they seem handicapped with out their advsiors hahaha….
#121 i like yo analysis, ‘cosmic mixture’ hope you kno english very well. cosmic mins to paint something to be what its not. PF is not tribal unless u want to shft the attention of who is tribal. donchi kubeba…PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Thez nothing wrong with John Phiri’s comments.They are facts.Unless HH realises that he needs more than his tribesmates to win,He will never inherit the kingdom of state House.
UPND cadres you found it acceptable insulting my president SATA every time just coz you hate the man. Now listen i will not stop until you stop insulting the man he has done nothing wrong he is just more popular than your HH. My father worked with mr SATA for a long time so i don´t feel comfortable when you insult him like you do. You should start talking about issues now once you insult my president i will react with the truth that i know about UPND.
#120 Everything being equal, i.e no FTJ’z “national and international trix” to ensure the ruling party winz, PF haz what it takes to carry the day. Az it standz, minus a viable PACT, RB would win withe narrowest of marginz over PF and the UPND will be a distant third.
OK..UPND what next for you now:
1.Go it alone
2.Join MMD in pact
YOU ARE MESSED UP NOW AND I SEE MMD CARRYING THE DAY..
Iyeee JOHN PHIRI, so your father Mr sata’ shoe cleaner! no wonder you always think tribe and relation links is what brings development ot the nation. Shame on you. Stop using phir and put your real names. you are inbalancing the easterners!
I would rather vote for HH than Sata the K’milion.
Shootist says: iwe chikkala my father is very respected person and not what you are thinking pannyopako.JOHN PHIRI is my real name.
Instead od people becoming tribal like John Phiri and attacking Tonga’s (which is very sad and unfortuntate) any right thinking Zambian needs to get the gist of what Syakilima is saying. Kabimba has never supported the Pact. His act of going to the Press was most unfortunate and uncalled for. Why not issue a joint statement as UPND and PF? Those who say the Pact is all about having a Single Presidential candidiate are so myopic and cant see beyond the elections. PF & UPND have totally different ideologies and these should have been harmonised by now. Those who are laughing at UPND hate Zambia because PF cant win on their own. Syakalima I urge you and other right thinking Zambians in UPND to do all you can to salvage the PACT and see what can be done so that the Pact comes together strong.
PF needs the UPND as much as the UPND needs PF or else if you both go it alone MMD bounces back. For haters like John Phir i say Fuseki…..
I have come to dislike PF attitude towards their pact partner. What kind of marriage is this devoid of respect for each other. When people are so desperate to be in power, especially without a clear agenda than just to be there, I lose respect for them. They are too suspect.
PF seems to be in too much hurry. They might even leave their own boat behind in the end.
All you bloggers including me are abroad. I wonder what impact our reasoning will bring to the masses back home.
Just check the grz news what they say about sata, this man is realy a big threat to mmd. They all (rb and his followers) have goose pimpos on their asssss if sata is mentioned. He is a big figure. Viva pf.
What I know is that sata is a performer. He worked well in the health, and local government…..he is not educated but he does the job
Zambia needs to boot MMD out of Government this 2011 and this is the only chance the youths and the millions unemployed able bodied Zambian women and men are going to have hope. In my last contribution on this blog, I stated that Prof Chirwa is intelligent and he applies his intellect in the real world to arrive at solutions and not only yapping. He just joined UPND and he has assessed that Zambia needs CHANGE like NOW. Nevertheless, the UPND so called intellects have over the years failed to see that they cant produce a Republican President, HH has himselt attested to this. What more do they want? Sata means business and the Zambians are totally behind PF and its leadership. Recent trends have shown that he has penetrated all the 9 provinces. MMD is dead, PF and Sata are winning!!!
This is what i wanted. Finally the constable is put to rest. He will die as an arrogant grade 4/unknown..!!, opposition. PF thought HH is so shallow to be taken for a ride! You empty tins must check yo upstairs, you must be dreaming to thing Tongas are unwise. This ka JOHN PHIRI has been caught well still dreaming, he is in a rude chock. This is how it is when you are dealing with intellectuals. UPND is full of thinkers. not from MATERO DIVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. just the name of school itself is a definition of failure, how can you lead people who have real knowledge of issues?? PF forget about state house, this is the end of your load!!
i mean your road.!
YABA JOHN PHIRI HAS BEEN BUSHED….PLS LETS THINK OF OUR CHILDREN’S FUTURE,,,,HH REPRESENT FUTURE,,,,SATANA MICHEAL,,THE WITCHDOCTOR…REPRESENTS OLD WICTHES..SO WE THE WELL MEANING VOTERS ARE VOTING H.H 2011 INTO STATEHOUSE.
By the way, what is wrong with those nice proposals by Prof Chirwa? Can UPND loopists point out the wrong instead fluffing. Even MMD and RB are about join PF and dissolving Parliment. Just watch this space. Viva PF konse konse we are there in masses and registered. Gary Nkombo, defect to PF. We can use your small intellect when we form Government this September 2011. MMD yalinaka, 20 years thats what the ARABS have refused so are Zambians.
Mwanya bane …IS UNCIVILISED CHAP…WHAT CAN REALLY UNEDUCATED SATA BRING TO THIS POOR COUNTRY….HE IS UP FOR MORE HEART ATTACKS…SURELY THE OLD ROTTEN SATA….A VERY DICTATOR LEADER HAS NO ROOM TO RULE US NO MATTER WHAT JUJU HE IS USING,,,,,VIVA CHANGE WE TRUST,,,VIVA H.H 2011 STATEHOUSE.
THE SO CALLED EXPRIENCED WICTHES..OLD POLITIANS MUST RETIRE….THEY HAVE RUN THEIR CAUSE AND ITS TIME FOR YOUNG LEADERS TO TAKE CHARGE OF THE NATIONAL AFFAIRS OF OUR COUNTRY,,,LET THEM GO AND DEVELOP THE RURAL,,,YOU KNOW SATA HAS NO FARM,,,HE IS NOT PRODUCTIVE OLD MAN…HE IS JUST AFTER TAXPAYERS MONEY,,,WELL, HE WILL NEVER GET IT,,,VIVA CHANGE WE TRUST,,,VIVA HH 2011
Phiri John,,,,H.H 2011 STATEHOUSE says
your southern province alone will not take your HH to state house you need to learn to work together with others for you to produce a president…you claim to be more educated every time but you fail to reason properly. AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE EDUCATED HAVE NO TIME TO BRAG ABOUT THEIR EDUCATION. so if you think you are the only ones who are educated then thats ok coz we are also educated but we have no time to brag about it, any person can get the degrees as lone as they have what it takes to get one.
104…pure genius!!
FELLOW ZAMBIAN …BEMBAS HAD THEIR TIME TO RULE,,,AND THEY MESSED UP OUR ECONOMY,,LAZOS,,,CROOK ,,, SATA WANTS TO USE Uprising Zambia 2011…very poor in analysing issues,,,ALL OVER THE WORLD PEOPLE ARE CHANGING LEADERS FROM OLD TO NEW LEADERSHIP,,,,,VIVA HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 2011..ITS YOUR TIME,,.AND OUR TIME US THE NEW GENERATION…
#142
it is not about the proposal chirwa made but about how the pact government is to run; what would be the point to have a president minus harmonized policies????? that would mean that even in government they would spend more time attacking each other than working.
besides if PF felt it advantageous why are they not meeting there counterparts?? that is all they have to do but alas !!!!!!!! See what is happening on the international political scene. People are looking for a younger generation of leaders. The arabs want the old out and the new in!!! NEW GOVT AND NEW PIPO; to be honest what is new in PF? Sata has been in Government a long time, What is his vision for 2020 (he will be close to 90 by then)
If PF don’t take this chance they might find that the mood changes even in their…
In a bizarre way john phiri has signalled what happens when you take tribe too far. Here is a guy with a typical set of Eastern names championing PF – and here are bloggers deciding that he is john phiri from Northern Province!!!!!! john phiri, you are setting up a very interesting experiment here which I appreciate. If we do not move away from the tendency of deciding things through the eyes of tribe we will start denouncing our own kith and kin just because they have a passion for what is right. Let’s drop all that has to do with tribe and look at things objectively!!!! Akwa!
NOW WE KNOW you john phiri your father and your family you inclusive were leaking sata’s anas
Iweee,,,KA John Phiri ..don’t force us on this old WICTH whose heart was attacked by his fellow WITCHES…WE THE CONCERNED AND CIVILISED VOTERS ARE VOTING FOR NEW AND CARING YOUNG LEADERS TO TAKE UP THE ECONOMICAL AND SOCIAL CHALLEGES THE COUNTRY IS FACING…SATA…IS FINISHED OLD MAN WHO IS NOT TRUSTED EVEN TO HIS WIFES
I wish all these ma 2v of characters on this blog would listen to Sata debate an issue. That ‘s when you will throw in the towel. All you sweepers in the diaspora, anyway, you don’t have any influence with your arguments for Sata save for being your tribesman. HH makes real sense. Chipimo Jr is even better than this ci Sata. Even Milupi is far much better than Sata. Zambians, be wise
Why is it that PF I aligned to bad while UPND wants to come out clean.Of the two who I well placed?
Each one has his own wrongs and can be in leadership and serve its people successfully.I have observed most sympathizers of HH are saying cos of his younger age can be a good leader Wrong.I have seen young leaders that are failures just as old ones and older leaders that are successful in their leadership.
Why is it that Mr Sata has managed to gather a larger membership than HH? Come on upnd don’t be an opportunist..UPND you are a let down cos every time you want to blame your colegues and not yourselves. Syakalima don’t speak as if you friends have no brains.They have managed to organise a largest political party as at now which is a plus
Maturity does not come with age but with…
It is the ordinary People who can boot out a particular Party. Let us Agree 1. is it H.H we want he is young like Joseph Kabila, Like Kikwete of Tanzania. 2. is it Michael Sata man of Action. 3. Rupiah Banda Bwesheni a man who has ruled Zambia for two years. LET US AGREE AND TEAM UP behind one candidate it us not Parties … Nene mu Mambwe, napya ntapata nangu umwi, lelo nga tukulonda uku chinja uteko a sweswe kwene swe yantu.. tuzumilizyanye uzye a H.H
US PURE ZAMBIANS ARE FOR CHANGE FROM THE OLD LEADERSHIP TO VERY FRESH AND CARING NEW LEADERSHIP…THATS WHAT WE ARE SAYING HERE IN EASTERN PROVINCE,,,WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO KNOWS ABOUT FARMING,,NOT SATA,,NOT SATA,,,NOT SATA WHO HAS NO FARM AT ALL,,,THE OLD MAN IS JUST WANTS TO PLUNDER TAXPAYER’S MONEY…CAREFULL ZAMBIANS….U EVER REGRET IT..BUT I KNOW U WILL MAKE A GOOD CHOICE OF …H.H 2011,,GOD BE WITH US ALL.
WE WANT REAL CHANGE…/.WE WANT REAL CHANGE,,,,,WE WANT REAL CHANGE,,,,WE VOTE H.H AS REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT,,,,,VIVA ZAMBIANS,,,,VIVA WELL MEANING YOUTHS
After the rejection and rubbishing of Prof. Chirwa’s super and fair proposal, it is clear that the UPND have over rated themselves. Sata is the only man who can give RB a good run for his money as Pact president, even the MMD know this and that is why they keep attacking him. In the last election, the difference in terms of votes between him and Rb was a mere 35 000-of which probably must have just been rigged. HH on the other hand was in a distance third place. So why are the UPND puppets forgetting all these points.
My word of advise to Sata and his team is to come out clearly and tell HH and his blind advisers to go to hell and instead persuade Milupi to come aboard. UPND team will only come to wake up when they come out distant third once more in the forth coming election. It’s…
It’s like the Prof. is the only wise man in the UPND who has realised that this rubbish of over rating themselves won’t pay!!
LETS VOTE FOR QUALITABLE AND CARING YOUNG LEADERS,,,,VOTE HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
NO 157 AND 158…VERY OLD CHARACTER….SIR YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND FARM ,,GIVE SOME LAND TO TOUR FELLOW WICTHES,,,SATA DOES NOT KNOW TO FARM,,,JUST CONMAN LIKE YOU JOBURG,,,,RETIRE OR ELSE HEART ATTACKS WILL BE THE ORDER OF THE DAYS….WE THE YOUTHS WANT MEANINGFULL CHANGE….VIVA HH,,2011 STATEHOUSE
#159-John Phiri
STOP DREAMING-YOUR HH WILL WILL COME OUT THIRD-IF NOT FOURTH BECAUSE EVEN CHARLES MILUPI HAS PROVEN TO BE A MORE SEASIBLE AND ORGANISED LEADER!!!!
Now i know why Zambia is not developed. Just read most of these bloggers and imagine this was a cooperative team working on an idea. Do you see anything that could progress the Country? In my view, I thought we blog in order to advance ideas that could help in a given situation, but you guys blogging are busy ranting like spokespersons of some Village headmen and those village headmen have only two villages – UPND and PF. Just what are you trying to say about this development which would take Zambia forward? Is ti to find a way of helping them or should you just shut it?
VIVAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH2011,,,,JOBURG CHOKAAA MUNJILAA CCHOKAAA……,,,,,H.H 2011 STATEHOUSE,,,,WE CAN NOT HAVE SATA WHO HAS ROTTEN TEETH…..JR CHIPIMO IS MORE CIVILISED THAN YOUR CHI-COBRA SATA
JOBURG….ZWAAAA….SATA…ZWAAAAA
OK, BOTTOM LINE ATI SHANI? CAN UPND SUCCEED AS A “STAND-ALONE” PARTY IN THIS YEAR’S ELECTIONS? THIS IS THE MAIN QUESTION UPND SHOULD BE CONSIDERING IN WHATEVER EQUATION THEY ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH TO TOPPLE THE MMD!!! IF THE ANSWER IS “NO”, THEN AM AFRAID YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO MAKE SURE THE PACT WORK, OTHERWISE, GO TO SLEEP!!!!!!!!!!!
HH has failed to displine his members.the likes of kalusa,matongo,syakalima, are all MMD and just waiting to move out.every time its UPND insulting sata on LTimes and Zwatchdog including radio stations UNZA,SKY FM and many more foras.Why should it always be sata being insulted while HH is not insulted?Clive is a beta leader than HH reading the comments and proposal made in the post.every jim and jack in UPND talks negative of sata,if UPND feels can win on their own,depart in peace rather than name calling and insults.we are tired guys
JOHN PHIRI – 11, 38, 109, 115, 127, 145
You cannot fool bloggers on this LT. If you read all your comments in the past months, you will find that you contradict yourselfmany times. By that I mean you are not from Chipata. You are Bemba that is very tribalist..
You are not intelligent enough to use an Alias names and hide your folly. Mind you the LT Team can see IP addresses from people that post comments.
These current MPs chewed NCC money for nothing now they want to blame Sata!
#163, I hope your grandpa’s teeth are as “nice” as Sata’s. lol
I think in the oppositin the one who has a better chance against MMD is SATA, so lets us forget tribes and rally behind one man for the good of the country!
UNCLE SATA NGA TALIPO, BONSE ABASHALA NI BA NGWELE……….UPND YOU HAVE KILLED THIS PACT BECAUSE OF YOUR UNDER FIVE LEADER WHO CAN’T HUMBLE HIMSELF TO PAVE WAY FOR SATA TO BECOME PACT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE……..THAT’S WHY HE’LL NEVER RULE ZAMBIA BECAUSE HE DOESN;T WANT TO ACCEPT ANYTHING LESS THAN PRESIDENT…..NGAMULEFWAYA JOING THE SINKING MOVEMENT FOR MULTIPLE DESTRUCTION (MMD), SO THAT WE CAN TAKE YOU ON ………MWACHEPA SANA……
People, Question pa #165… can UPND scoop it on there own…. very honestly with no exageration of facts? Funny theories like “no, things have changed.. so we can win this time around”, will not help anyone!!!
Syakalima, you and your colleagues at the helm of UPND are really a sad lot! The Post has blacked you out so you resort to dressing down your ‘PACT’ partners using Daily Mail and Times? I’ve officially given up on Zed politics!
It doesn’t need to take a genius to tell you that UPND can’t win on their own. Period!!! Please listen to Chirwa… for once, than being big-headed for absolutely nothing!!!
big pipe even you should know that without uPND sata will never win. his the one with more lose from death of pact than UPND who would be happy even to remain third. it is sata who is desperate for state house and not HH or any of the other guys. thats why HH said politics is not about survival its about public service. so PF are fighting a losing battle even charles milupi is not a fool to join a party that organised thugs to beat him up in mongu as recent as last month. even FDD and others have refused to join sata because they cannot accept to be led by a lumpen like him and his cohorts. now they have even dropped given the only sensible person in PF
it also does not take a genius to know that PF cannot win an election alone also. thats why PF has been trying to hoodwink UPND to accept mediocrity. Ba chimbwi no plan eba PF
This ***** John will distroy the peace of the nation….Iam not a Tonga…but i love them because of what there are there are good people you will never found a Tonga Speaking carelessily see HH and Douglas Siakalima..these are the people of wisdom….see your Sata..this man has no respect at all and he lacks logic…and i don’t what type of philosophy is using now…pls iam sorry ….it is because this bastard ,***** john go to hell
so if you PF kaponya’s do not need HH and UPND why are you so upset with UPND! if you were so sure of yourselves you would not have even gone into a Pact but you knew that without UPND you will never get to state house. hahahahaha useless kaponya’s who cant plan or strategise. UPND have played you and they are the ones who will gain more votes and come second to MMD. ‘vote for real change’ not for kaponya’s party which has no membership cards and has rallies full of kids.
I..D..I.OT CHIKALA CHUBE JOHN
178 i like what you ar saying there is wisdom
But this underfive party UPND is so useless…it lacks maturity. Why should you cry now since you never respected Sata and PF, always insulting them and over rating yourselves while you are nothing.
We have always told you that worldover a smaller party takes the vice while the larger the presidency in any aliance. This fact you denied even if yourselves found it a very good fact to use when in the PACT with UNIP, FDD , UPND. UPND took the presidency coz it was the largest party of the three. But in the PF/UPND pact you want the presidency. How stup1dy you are, now you are looking so fuulish as you dont know where to go. You useless people, have you seen UPND and HH are now dead,
Chirwa is the only wise person in UPND, his proposal was a reality. Go to hell UPND, Nosense.
thanks my man I tell it like it is. these PF buffoons thought they could ride on the backs of UPND but they forgot one thing most of the UPND big wigs do not need politics to live. many of them are self made people and can survive even without poltics. just like HH said politics is not a bread and butter issue for UPND. UPND want to serve the people of zambia simples. but PF want to just steal money and put it in their pockets. apart from GBM and nsanda all those PF chaps cannot survive without MP allowances and stealing plots from the councils where they sit
You can go to Hell Syakantu iwe!!! we are still behind SATA!!! yes things have changed meaning that even more people want SATA! sha!
himonde if upnd are so weawhy bother????? let upnd go to hell as you say and lets see how sata will win the presidency ad where he will get votes.
upnd continue hammering and campaigning for real change!! not this rubbish kaponya nonsense
John Phiri,
You are great man, let these guys who speak based on tribal lines go to hell. Us we are the CB guys were there is no tribe but Zambians. You have never stopped Mestroe hehehehehehe from insulting Sata and the Bembas, always Mwanga Mungungulu (Meastroe heheheheheh( Insults Bembas, what have you said against him….nothing just coz he is Tonga. But when John Phiri Insults Tongas then he is causing civil war against Tongas,
You hypocrites, pretenders, you now feel it how it hurts when a person insults your tribe. Go to hell and hang with your UPND full of insipid pride when you are nothing. Nonsense.
2001. this is the man you want as president????
Members of the ruling party Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD) have been calling for amendments to the country’s constitution to allow President Chiluba to take part in elections for a third term. MMD’s national secretary, Michael Sata, said: “President Chiluba needs another term in office so that he can complete the development plans he has started.”
President Chiluba himself has said: “People must be allowed to debate the issue … I will make a comment when the debate is over.”
But church leaders and lawyers disagree.
upnd please leave the pact. The problem is you are talking but you have not even held one provincial conference in preparation for the general election. The fight is between PF and MMD whichever way you look at it.
Himonde
thanks man, you are one of the few people who have seen sense in my comments. these tribalists have surely failed to condemn chi maestro, they should just go to hell. THE THINGS I HAVE WRITTEN ARE FACTS ABOUT UPND.
Now UPND, let us see if your insipide pride will give you the presidency. PF and Sata have been patient for a long time. You guys lack humility with your imaturity. Your friends have been quiet but you always have been insulting them.
I recommend the PF for calling it quit, only when you learn to respect your partiners will I recommend the PF to accept you. You are so proud for nothing. I wonder what you would have behaved if it were UPND who was as popular as the PF is now, would you not just be spitting at the other opposition parties. Really you are a bunch of useless people I have ever seen on earth. To hell with you. nonsense.
whether HH loses or not i will vote for him. my conscience tells me so.
Post/Sata Have No integrity: The same chiluba is on your mmd side so what are you saying? You can do and say whatever you want but MCS is coming to state house. Kaunda used the same tactics of trying to scare voters but failed. This time much more voters in lusaka and CB have registered let us see where you will hide
HAHAHAHAHA ATI SATA IS A DICTATOR BUT PF IS HAVING PROVINCIAL CONFERENCES NOW WHAT ABOUT UPND WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO THE CONVENTION??
John Phiri uli chikopo panyoslosis.
Ras Rated
KAFUNTILEKUTA IWE….2011 is not for jokers.
No 84, you are dead wrong on your analysis. The Arab world is not against the old people but those who have overstayed in power. Read news line by line not through hear says like from Edward Mumbi’s unfounded allegations and sensationalism.
John Phiri,
Sorry that I was not here earlier than this, we would have taken these useless people on. They think they have lisence to insult others while others should not. Maestro heheheheheh whose real name is Mwanga Mungungulu an SDA decon always insults Bembas and Sata. Have they restrained him from insulting the Bembas, no they have not. So why are they so concern when Tongas are insulted,,,,,coz they have insipid pride of silent degrees, hypocrites of terrible impositors.
Now we are knowing their true coluors, Zambians know who they are….people who are proud for nothing. Nonsense.
# 81
Thats true.
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# 7 John phiri ..You must understand that anyone from any tribe capable of ruling should be voted.
Most of those who know the man (sata) you are supporting explains what they see in him. KK, Chiluba, Nawakwi, RB.. ETC.. To be a vice or prime minister is good cos he (sata) likes talking to people.
Pf supporters, you can preach in whatever language but the fact is that MC Sata is a danger to society, period, CHAPWA. I do not care where HH comes from, the fact is he is my man come rain come sunshine as he is the only hope for zambia. This time around no time wasters like MC Sata as these wasted our resources in the past and we do not want to go back to our vomits. ZAMBIA FOR HH.
Chansa
i like your name it make you feel comfortable when you are among girls just like mine john phiri.
HH pakuboko, we really need to use our hands. The bout cannot float as we have no water. Sata is not a fact as we showed him in Mpulungu that he is not a factor in the next election. Sata has never grabed a seat from us MMD in the past election, so the threat is UPND who are a factor. Many people are now realising that voting for Sata would be a bit mistake.
If the purpose of the pact is unity why do we hear only divisive talk, blatant lies and threats to the ruling party? And why the difference in approach, HH says ‘merged’ while MCS says ‘no merger’? What formulas will they use to first decide who can stand for these elections and how the electoral college (i.e. the delegates who will vote) will be selected? How do we know who is who in each party and which party they represent? Any cadre worth his salt will sell himself to the highest bidder and also to whomever he sees as having the best chance nationally and on the basis of the past three election results MCS would be the front runner. So one wonders why the mystery when it is known facts that bar any natural disaster Sata will be the PF or Pact candidate.
these pf chaps are dunder heads ..we can’t allow them to rule..its better MMD continues..viva change ..
Well the truth is people like John Phiri and other dumb PF cadres thought HH would help Sata get into state house. HH is a smart guy!.
By the way UPND is not a tonga party. I am from Yambezhi, HH/UPND has a lot of respect and support in North Western Province, not becoz HH is tonga but he is smart and he has a group of serious people. Those who call tongas tribalists are the worst tribalists. How many votes does HH get from Luapula or non-bemba speaking areas in Northern province?
HH gets more votes from luapula province than what SATA gets from southern province.
I had nshima with cibwabwa. It was nice mwe!.
yes let us see the where the folly and pride of mates UPND will take them. Chirwa proposal was a reality but due to their insipid pride they denounced him. You are reaping what you planted. Why are you now crying like babes? Really you are laughing stock now. We hae told you that the earlier you humbled yourseles the better but you thought we were jocking, hear my mates, Sata commands a majority of Voters than HH…this is the fact which you have to accept 100%. Look now how fuulish you are looking guys.
Syakilima. What has CHANGED for the PF between 2008 and 2011? Your party claims to be full of intellectuals. Why dont use infiltrate the MMD ‘s compaign team or INTELLIGENCE to know how POPLULAR PF has become. You are denying that in 2008 PF got more VOTES than YOU UPND even when you ere are a PACT. HISTORY shapes the FUTURE. Mind you MMD already have the PROJECTIONS that is PF is WIINING that WHY thery are PANICKING. MMD is not PANICKING on HH because their INTELLIGENCE has given them 2011 POLL PROJECTIONS and HH will again be no 3. 2006, 2008 and 2011 according to a confidential report at MMD puts SATA, RB, HH, MILUPI in that order. So its not too late, if you feel Sata is not suitable then get other parties to JOIN you. THERE is NAWAKUI, MILUPI, MIYANDA, etc and because you are full of
baseless illusions and PIPE DREAMS when facts are on there for you use. YOU want to invent a FACT when FACT is in the library. JUST use the fact and APPLY in to your situation. Wether you like it or not PF is BIGGER than YOU and deserve to lead the PACT. What CRITERIA did yoy tell YOUR PACT partners UDA whwn they allowed YOU to lead them, ” YOU SAID YOU HAD MORE MPS AND WERE MORE POPLULAR”, so this time around, YOU want to SHIFT the GOAL POST, we Zambiam are not DULL, we cant accept a small party to head a SERIOUS PACT try UDA. If you claim to be EDUCATED and VISIONARY, you got DEDUCED from MMD COMPAIGN team ALWAYS taking SATa to DEC, TIMES of ZAMBIA. HOW CAN YOU RULE ZAMBIA when you faiiling to see and appreciate a SIMPLE 1 plus 1 QUESTION. YOU donr need algebra to GET the answer for…
Mind you, 1 +1=2, SIMPLE. PF is not inGOVT to lose POPULARITY as YOU CLAIM, go to SCHOOL, it is only the PARTY in GOVT which lose or gaings POPULARITY over time. PF this time around WILL even GET sympathy VOTES beacause MMD compaign method is alawys MAKING PF more popular, AKK you self WHY HH is not even on CHANDA CHIMBA ‘s decompaiging programs. MUMBI, etc. What has UPND done in MANDEVU constituency Zambia’s biggest VOTERS anf PF domonant areas to wing back the VOTES from PF and MMD who came no 2. Please UPND for you to win WIN WESTERN and NORTHWESTERN as no 1 in all areas, In lusaka, CB, Northen and LUAPLULA, tuy were no 3, YOU need to beat either PF or MMD. You WON sSOLWEZI by a few VOTES from PF votes. Learn to realostic . STOP PIPE DREAMING, YOU intellectuals as YOU claim are…
UPND is the best party for us this time around and we are yet to show the doubting Thomases that we mean change. Whether you like it or not upnd has gained ground, the party was founded in North-western province and the whole province is for us. My mother is from that side and I have been visiting the area more often, everyone just talks of change in the name of HH. Last election I voted for RB because he lied to me that he will just rule for 3 years and thereafter another person is coming, this lie has made me change my mind, Viva HH 2011. Banda forget about central, Western, North-western, Southern etc. This time around chances of HH winning are so high because he has no one to share votes with in his strongholds unlike MC and RB who will share in Luapula and Northern. Viva pakuboko
Pf guys are a group of jokers who want to go to state house without any agenda for the people, and zambian will never accept to be taken for granted like that. We are watching you guys. PACT to remove Banda then what? come on guys we do not want to jump from a frying pan into fire as Sata is already described by Mumbi as a danger to society. If we cannot vote for Banda or HH then we would rather vote for a Monkey than the serpent Sata. This time around it’s either Banda or HH and thats a fact.
On “Mr Sata, however, confirmed in an interview that Mr Lubinda was removed from the position but dispelled assertions that he was scared of being challenged.
He said Mr Lubinda had been given another position, which was awaiting ratification by the party’s central committee” this 2011 election is not for jokers on PF but for intellectuals in the mighty UPND Team to win.
Whether PR Bemba-Kaponya tribalists like it or not, the 2011 elections are between HH/UPND which has grabbed MMD eats in recent by-electiond and the MMD which has been grabbing seats from PF’s Luapula Province once upon a time strong hold.
I therefore feel for serpentine MC Sata of PF who is seen frequenting CfB Hospital in Rhodespark probaly to seek medical attention every thursday of so of any week…
All I can do is laugh hahahahahaha.
@# 4. Ba Kasaka nemwe! Am suprised you still believe what Chiluba says! Lekeni Ba Sata beteke. They are all the same
From john phiri and clan its clear who the tribalists really are, And I am sure I speak for many Zambians, though neither Tonga nor UPND member, I will never again ever vote for a Bemba speaking human being. I did all along, how foolish I have been. Thats the lesson I learn from blogging on LT.
Prof. Mpumpoompu
what makes you think john phiri is bemba? ok even if you don´t vote for them they will continue ruling like its is happening now they are ruling through RB.
Imwe!! guys, Siakalima Chi****** chobe!! if you are up there, you will see that this man so called Siakalima is the one who his trying to divide the pack if he found a problem with the leaders of the PF, why not go to them (leaders) and tell them to say you are wrong with what you are doing.. but there he goes telling the all Zambia, what you are forgetting is that you are part of the these some leaders you are talking about. if you call the PF leaders shit! that mean’s you are also a pic of shit..
the only thing we should do now is to stand alone as PF and not as the ****ing pact i don’t even know y we started the so called F***k pact we don’t need UPND because the truth is that PF is well known in this country and it’s the only party with the leader who as a heart 4 Zambians…
I pit alot of people ( especially in Lusaka and the Copperbelt) who still cant read between the lines. Without partnership (Pact, if you like) no one will dislodge the MMD. Sata can not lead this country with his self-styled leadership. As an individual, he can perform but he still need to be under someone as his superior. HH is a more mature and able leader how if tried can do better than Ba Shikulu. We could have tried Milupi or Chipimo who i believe they are good as individuals, but their organisations are still young and immature politically. Its clear now that MMD has been given yet another chance to win coz they ve the strength and numbers, not forgetting the machinery.
I am pushing for SATA / Milupi PACT. Milupi will come with entire Western Province…..
Lusaka PF
CB PF
Norther PF/MMD
Luapula PF/MMD
Western PF
Southern UPND
North Western MMD/UPND
Earstern MMD
Central MMD
Who is the ONE here? these are simple facts
Go Sata+++Milupi PACT
Those wishing for a pact between Milupi and Sata should just hung themselves. Milupi cannot be part of Satana under his dead body.