FORMER PF national youth secretary Eric Chanda has told United Party for National Development (UPND) president Hakainde Hichilema to swallow his pride and accept Professor Clive Chirwa’s proposals on the leadership of the pact.
And Mr Chanda says Mr Hichilema should declare whether his party is forming a pact with the MMD or will continue with the PF-UPND pact.
He said should Mr Hichilema and his party opt to continue with the PF-UPND pact, he should humble himself and accept UPND chairman for international relations Professor Chirwa’s suggestions on the allocation of positions in the pact.
“We want to challenge Mr Hichilema and his party to reflect, swallow their pride and be bold enough to accept Professor Chirwa’s proposals on the way forward in the pact,” he said.
Mr Chanda said in an interview on February 27 that it would be prudent for Mr Hichilema to be open instead of making allegations that the PF has killed the PF-UPND pact.
He was reacting to recent media reports in which UPND spokesperson Charles Kakoma was quoted as saying the PF lacked political will to manage the pact and that it would be difficult for the UPND and PF to agree on important issues, unless the latter changes its attitude.
Mr Chanda said PF youths have no problem with the UPND forming a pact with the MMD if that will stop Mr Hichilema from making allegations that the PF has caused the demise of the pact.
“If they are going into a pact with the MMD, as PF youths we wish them well and we hope they can stop putting the blame on PF Secretary-General Mr Wynter Kabimba and PF President Michael Sata for the breakup of the pact,” he said.
Mr Chanda said he is beginning to believe speculation that the UPND is forming a pact with the ruling party, going by Mr Hichilema’s conduct towards the PF-UPND pact.
He appealed to the opposition leader to be clear about what he wants to do for Zambians.
Meanwhile, Mr Kabimba has charged that the UPND invited PF to form the pact with a pre-conceived idea of thrusting Mr Hichilema into the race for the republican presidency.
Mr Kabimba says the UPND’s idea was to see Mr Hichilema lead the pact before and after the 2011 elections in the same way he found himself at the helm of the United Democratic Alliance (UDA) in the 2006 general elections.
Mr Hichilema led the defunct UDA, which comprised the UPND, UNIP, and Forum for Democracy and Development (FDD) after the death of UPND founding president Anderson Mazoka.
Mr Kabimba said in a letter to UPND Secretary General Winstone Chibwe dated February 24, 2011 that the pact presidency is the major obstacle to the success of the alliance and not the social and economic programme under which ‘the UPND pretends to hide.’
“This may leave a bitter taste in your mouth and a sting in your ears but it is the truth,” Mr Kabimba said.
He said the UPND was hoping that something would happen to Mr Sata before the 2011 general elections or that he would be disqualified from the race.
“UPND went all the way during the National Constitutional Conference to support the degree clause. This level of duplicity coming from our pact partners was astonishing to me and other Zambians. However PF was charitable enough to continue with the pact,” he said.
Mr Kabimba said on February 22, 2011, he wrote to Mr Chibwe over UPND blaming the PF for the pact failure but the latter’s reply was full of personal attacks against him.
He said instead of responding, Mr Chibwe said UPND holds Mr Kabimba responsible more than any other individual for frustrating the pact’s work, since its formation in June 2009.
He said Mr Hichilema’s diatribes and aspersions against him during February 24’s live phone-in programme also confirmed the UPND’s personal attacks.
“I listened to him during the discussion but I refused to make a comment to the press. It is therefore clear to me from your letter and Mr Hichilema’s comments that this is no longer about the PF-UPND pact but something between Mr Hichilema and myself personally,” he said.
During the radio programme, Mr Hichilema accused Mr Kabimba of being mischievous and warned that the UPND will not tolerate his mischief for the next 30 days.
But Mr Kabimba said he found Mr Hichilema’s comments to be inappropriate and wished the UPND good luck on the 30-day ultimatum.
He said he is far above UPND chairman for international relations Professor Clive Chirwa’s confidential paper on the way forward for the pact, which seems to be the UPND’s highest yardstick for confidentiality.
Mr Kabimba said confidentiality should not be used to cover up dishonesty or duplicity of groups, individuals or organisations.
He said as PF secretary general, he is a very senior member of the party and deserves respect even when the UPND or Mr Hichilema does not agree with his opinion.
And Mr Kabimba says he refused to join the United Party for National Development (UPND) at inception because he disagreed with its founding doctrine of promoting ethnic hegemony of one group, over others, CHARLES MUSONDA, reports.
Mr Kabimba said in a letter to the UPND dated February 24, 2011 that he was one of the people UPND founding president Anderson Mazoka consulted before forming the UPND but he turned down the offer.
“This philosophy (ethnic hegemony) offends my personal character and beliefs. As an individual I have chosen to think with my brain and not tribe. It is therefore not a matter of coincidence to me that all the people who called me in protest after my February 17 press briefing on the proposed leadership structure of the pact were southerners.
“Their language was not different from Mr Hichilema’s uncivil language on Hot FM radio programme. This is what I refer to as thinking with your tribe and not your brain,” he said.
Mr Kabimba has been at the centre of a row with the UPND over his February 17 press briefing at which he disclosed UPND chairman for international relations Clive Chirwa’s proposals on the leadership of the pact.
Professor Chirwa gave an edge to the PF over the UPND but UPND argued that it had not approved the proposals and felt betrayed by Mr Kabimba’s action.
Meanwhile, NKWETO MFULA reports that the UPND on the Copperbelt says Mr Sata’s political life is expiring following the misunderstandings that have rocked the pact.
Party National youth chairman Joe Kalusa on February 27 urged the party leadership to call for a national management committee meeting to chart the way forward on the failed partnership with PF.
Mr Kalusa said in an interview in Ndola on February 27 that the differences within the pact show that Mr Sata’s political career is almost reaching a dead end.
He said facts against Mr Sata are that time is running out for him and his strength is diminishing as days go by.
Mr Kalusa said Mr Sata’s demand that he will not engage in any talks with UPND leaders until they become “mature and sincere” is the joke of the year.
Mr Kalusa said Mr Sata should not claim that UPND has killed the pact when he is to blame for his failure to provide wisdom and leadership.
“This is the reason why we are questioning his credibility to run the country,” he said.
He wondered why Mr Kabimba accepted the PF-UPND pact if he felt UPND was a tribal party.
He said in the PF, only one person makes decisions and it is clear that PF has wasted UPND’s time. Mr Kalusa said PF has proved to be untrustworthy and unreliable.
[Zambia Daily Mail]
Good articulations from Kabimba. The man is intelligent and sincere. The Man uses his brain to think. He does not use his tribe. I also like chirwa’s proposal. Its simple and straight forward. Eric Chanda too is right to advise HH to accept the Proposal by Chirwa. col. Panji too is right by what he has said in today’s post that the PACT is about the people and not SATA or HH. Let all provinces emulate them and tell us who must be PACT president between SATA and HH. Hope HH will accept the outcome this time. He tried to lead UDA. Wont he allow SATA to lead PF-UPND? Leyt him also use his brain and not his tribe to decided on this matter.
Pakwana ubunga tapaba nsoni.
HH and SATA show some leadership and sort out this mess. Enough is enough, shaa! we will now begin to doubt your personal characters. How can mature people who even desire to form government together wash dirty linen like that in public? How does the media access your communique? Are you any different from lupiya who insults in public? Show us some maturity and leadership! Restrain your cadres from making careless statement and handle this issue like men! If you can’t work together then break up while we still have time to mourn the loss of time and trashed aspirations! Winter Kabimba should also tone down his language. He should be more mature than chaps like Kalusa. If you lose elections we can still survive with the monster in power, only this time it will crush you and YOU WILL CRY
PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA, LETS SUPPORT AND FORMULATE THE PANJI STRATEGY. WE DONT WANT THIS PACT TO FAIL BECAUSE OF HH OR SATA’S SELFSHNESS..NO. THE PACT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO REMOVE THE MMD OUT OF POWER OTHERWISE TWALAPENGA NAFUTI
PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA, LETS SUPPORT AND FORMULATE THE PANJI STRATEGY IN ALL PROVICES. WE DONT WANT THIS PACT TO FAIL BECAUSE OF HH OR SATA’S SELFSHNESS..NO. THE PACT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO REMOVE THE MMD OUT OF POWER OTHERWISE TWALAPENGA NAFUTI
#2: Its “pakwakana ubunga tapabe nsoni” – literally means ‘when sharing mealie meal do not be shy’ meaning HH should swallow his pride, humble himself and be veep. He will have his chance in 2016. Sata can not stand in 2016 so there should be that agreement. I know things can change but there should be some trust and risk.
After last night’s joint MOBI TV interview with Winter Kabimba and Charles Kakoma, Erik Chanda should be regreting his tantrums. The interview showed clearly that PF has no regard and thinks UPND is a bonus to them because they can win the election on their own, and that PF is ready to wait for 50 years to get into government. Kakoma, intelligently, urgued that PF wants to use UPND as a bonus party and emphasised that the Zambian people want change now, not 50 years as Winter suggested. Indeed the calibre of PF top leadership has been expossed as much as their motive in frustrating the PACT. Charles rightly articulated why the social and economic development agenda 1st, not the presidency, which showed that UPND is learning from past mistakes unlike PF that is bent on using errors to…
to shape the future. Imagine Kabimba saying that PF can wait to get into gov when we the Zambian people want change now. Its a shame! Erick, check your guys before you go ranting to the allied Newspaper.
If you think PF is still popular, wait for the results in Masaiti, Mutaba ward. Am talking about villagers who will show Zedians the mood in the country. People promised HH for a vote in 2011. Its at your own peril, if you are still in your dreams, thinking they were joking. Wake up and avoid BP and cast your vote on the man, HH.
I have noticed that UPND spends a of time attacking the PF than they do attacking the MMD! As smart as the UPND leadership claims to be I wonder why the have so many spokespersons?! UPND is increasingly begining to look like a Kinder Garden!
It will be disasta to let PF run this country. Sata and Gardafi are the same. They are all dictators and SATA MAT NOT WANT TO LEAVE POWER.
And where is this nonse coming from from were PF accusses UPND of tribulism? PF is full of bembas. Kaimba check ypurself be accusing other of tribulism. What is the composition of your MC IN TERMS OF TRIBE. Kabimba your are the worst tribal man. Stop the shirt of tribulism. we want quality leadership and not quantity.
There is a big misunderstanding over the leadership of the PF-UPND PACT. There has never been a time when HH has said he wants to be the leader of the PACT. HH has been on record to say we need to discuss how we are going to lead the people, harmonise our policies. There is no need to talk about positions if these issues are not resolved. The people causing the problems are those who are not assured of jobs. Only HH & SATA are guranteed positions should they win as a PACT. The others are at the mercy of the appointer. So what better than reduce the number of the competition.
those who watched the interview on mobi tv featuring dull lawyer kabimba and kakoma will not waste time discussing this. PF IS NOT INTRESTED IN PACT AND KABIMBA SAID COME ELECTIONS PF WILL CARRY THE DAY HANDS DOWN. KABIMBA SAID PF HAS GROWN IN POPULARITY SINCE 2008 ELECTIONS SO THIS TIME AROUND SATA WILL WIN, KE KE KE KE KE KE KE KE KE. YOU CAN LAUGH THE FOOOOLISHNES OF SOME OF THESE SO CALLED DUMB LAWYERS
(PF) IS A POWER HUNGREY PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HH and Sata will be doomed if they think MMD will be booted out of power in its current form. Its sand that we take things for granted. One Willy Tekere Banda warned that the MMD will not give up power withoout a fight. They will use all means available to ensure that the MMD retains power.
How can this Kaponya, Chanda tell HH tha the should swallow his pride?
HH and UPND are wasting their time hanging around with PF . No amount of dialogue or meetings can change the petty character of PF. PF has no class just look at the type of people that surround Sata. Take an example of Kabimba, I wonder whether Kabimba can manage a government Ministry . The guy is so petty and full of inferiority commplex. Even if Sata was to lead the Pact he cant win becoz he will still lose in swing provinces like North Western, Western, Southern, Central and Eastern. You cant win presidential elections without these provinces. People in these provinces do not like the charater of Sata. If Sata was smart he should have spent time remodelling his chatacter which most people dread.
#11 maka
Who is a dictator, President Banda who has imposed candidates on MMD on tribal lines like Kennedy Zulu or Sata who has not interfered with the current PF Provincial elections currently going on?
Your shallow understanding of what is currently going in Zambia politically talks volumes.
Sata has lost three (3) Presidential elections, and each time Zambians has tried to riot and rise up against the MMD elected through disputed elections, but SATA is on record of going on ZNBC to calm down Zambians.
Let us not demonise Sata just because of your lack of understanding. Sata worked with the late President Mwanawas on corruption supporting Chiluba’s prosecution even to the extent he risked his political life, challenging young politicians to take up his…
I concur with Zambians who say pact is above Sata and HH.The inception of the pact was due to the cry of Zambians about poor governance they have experienced.It was not sired by HH or Sata.It is folly,for these leaders to think that they are owners of the pact.HH does not posses monopoly of knowledge neither do Sata.They should think about Zambians who cannot afford to send their children to school because of exorbitant tax.It is very funny that a simple puzzle in the pact has confused them.What more when they face challenging issues upon forming government?The issue in the pact is very simple if it can be taken with the seriousness it deserves.Leaders should do away with pettiness if this nation is to progress.There is too much pettiness in our leaders.Zambia deserves better than this.
Mama G UPND is just to small to Compare with MMD. Do you Still want MMD in POWER
chanda is a dull cadre..he doesn’t even know what he’s saying and doesn’t understand his language..pf is fuseke..!to disrespectful..
This article is full of rubbish to say the least. Kabimba has a big problem. he should ask himself why Sata banned holding of meetings between pact members. Kabimba has ill advised his master. each person has pride and if you deliberately frustrate them hoping they will remain quiet, you are wrong. Even marriages break after spending much time as a couple if one partner starts misbehaving. So many senior people have left PF in the past one year simply because Sata’s management style is not good. The pact can not go ahead with Sata wanting to have it all for himself. Everyone knows HH would have freely given Sata pact leadership but with reduced powers. Only fools can let Sata do his own uncoordinated activities in govt.
#16 do not think everyone who is in PF is a Kaponya.Eric Chanda is not a kaponya,as you might think.He is my fellow graduate from CBU.Do not think PF is full of stone throwers.There are educated people in PF who deserve respect.
Here bloggers HH is the man. The bembas have ruled so much. We need an accountant to even audit the government. Hh has more support than sata. It time for us to rule our land. Viva viva forward we go UPND
all these problems in the Pact is not what the UPND are saying it is all about leadership.We are not children that we can be lied to.I tell you the Pact by now would have been very strong and all these confrotations were no going to be there if HH was proposed to be Pact President.I dont think Kakoma was going to refuse and say let us first conclude talks on economical and developmental.We know that HH has always wanted to lead the Pact.But let us be sincere to ourselves, i mean HH has so many days ahead of Himself inlike the Old man.Why not give the Old man the chance this year and let HH as well get the training as the VP and letter on he can asend to that office he is dreaming about.In everything u need to be tactical and good things takes time to come.HH my Bro wake up and do not be…
In mufumbwe there was war and upnd was there not pf. I think I now know who the kaponyas are. In eastern province there was no fighting. We saw even in the picture that HH was the oneleading the group to thrw stones. Hh is a kaponya
And those are the characters that want power with that kind of arrogancy & hot air.What measurement is that incopentent lawyer using to claim that PF will carry the day because it has grown in popularity in 2 years? Dream on Winter with your Magazine.
The person to blame here is Prof Chirwa. He acted ultra vires. The Prof showed political naievity of the worst kind. I know we all like him so nobody wants to stone him but he was wrong.
1. He is not UPND spokesman.
2. He is not the chief executive officer of UPND.
His proposals should have been tabled to his bosses FIRST before going to PF. There must be collective agreement in politics, one cannot go it alone. If the pact dies, Chirwa is to blame. Was he sent by MMD?
#7 u just think like your fellow illiterate upnd members
MOBI TV DEBATE KAKOMA VS KABIMBA
1)MPOROKOSO ISSUE – Kakoma showed ignorance of kabimba writing to their SG. Said pf decided on their own. lesson upnd very disorganised
2) Clive chirwa issue – Chirwa said to kabimba they had discussed his proposal with upnd so kakoma was asked what was wrong with that?
3) Bonus Party – Kakoma was told right there that he had miss quoted him while siting next to him, what more if said it else where? lesson upnd are looking for excuses, kabimba never said upnd is a bonus party.
4)Hidind something – kakoma was asked if upnd used that formula of social economical discusion in 2006 when deciding pact president. he couldnt answer. lesson clearly upnd is wasting pf”s time.
We are watching your step you are making, but make good decisions…………
Has Sata ever sat in a lecture theatre? I just want to know please!
#17 Shaka OS
You are funny!
Do not base your judgement of a person’s character on evidence from ‘sources’ reported in a ‘hostile’ newspaper! RB is human and has his preferred people to lead. That is HIS inalienable right! You can’t take it away from him, but he does not force the voters to choose his option.
CHIRWA FOR PRESIDENT Period!
Sata must just shut up his cigar proboscis He should remove the stick in ,in his eye before removing HH’s . why cant he discipline gay scot and winter kabimba who have used so many deamining words on HH. Sata is using a weak and lame excuse to chiken out of the pact for his failure to discuss and chat the way forward for the pact. In any case IF sata thinks UPND needs the pact more than he does then he is cheating himself, PF success has just been 2.8% whilst UPND has been 47% and 38% mmd based on the evidence from the previous bi elctions. UPND has in fact retaken lusaka province,
Rumour has it that the pact was an architectural Propaganda designed by PF and a named Tabloid news paper along bwijifumu road in roads park to discredit the UPND Leader HH and black list him from any headlines or news and paint their known and preferred candidate to be a new deal for change(?) from the inception of the pact they wanted to use UPND to gain southern province,NW,CENTRAL NWP WHERE UPND are much stronger than PF. Iam told from a reliable source that sata wanted to use this tactic to weaken UPND with hope to get his dream 30 000 votes He thinks mmd got from him . Now PF intelligence are panicking as this has backfired on PF as UPND has become more stronger than expected. So
the issue on the ground now is that sata is panicking and mounting tours in UPND STRONG HOLD SUCH SOLWEZI etc. Am told many Zambians have seen that sata is not a serious person but a manipulative thug and many zambians have proved that sata is the one who has killed the pact and hence he can not find a reason to justify his refusal to harmonize UPND and PF Manifestos (if at all they have any) or USE the PF manifesto in sata’s head to draw up an ECONOMICAL & SOCIAL programme to see how they can run the country once in government , but alas one sata has his focus on only to find means and ways of removing rupiah from government and as a result of this many zambians have labbelled sata not to be committed and serious to meet the aspirations of many zambians.
#23 am wondering which party u belong to and whether u ar in zambia to be saying things that even a grade zero cant say. hh has more support – think my friend -bemba have ruled for many yrs? u ar tribalist. we need an accountant? hope u kno that rupi is an economist like hh.
Kabimba said alot of sense yesterday and kakoma jst became quiet listening to intellectual data. i wish u watched the mobi tv debate between kakoma and kabimba. clearly upnd is run like kantemba, this man called spokesperson said alot of things he was challeged on and failed to give concrete answs to. issue of by election the man is not aware that pf wrote to them, what sort of a party is it?
The source also disclosed that there has been confusion in the pf camp as there are divisions especially in the group of a few sensible PF MPS who were lead by Given Lubinda, They advised sata to accept that HH stands as pact president as he has better chances to win the elections. as he is more appealing to young voters and he is also considered by many Zambians as a more sincere and honest and a democratic leader compared to sata’s dictatorial tendencies. The source told us that this angered the king cobra and booted Lubinda out of PF camp, lubinda persuaded mr sata that the PF club at the moment at a risk
especially after loosing the 22 PF rebel MEMBERS WHO DEFECTED to the mmd who are believed to cause a negative bro on PF in northern and luapula, the other issue lubinda appealed to the king cobra was the issue of sata’s fall out of favour by traditional rulers in luapula and northern province as evidenced from his previous trips where almost everyone rejected to meet him, lubinda told him that this is a disaster in waiting if the grass-route are failing to connect with a leader, he reminded him that out the 55 bi elections PF only won 7 WHILE UPND won 21 AND MMD 16. he told the meeting that this is trick litmus indicator of the happenings on the ground. He informed them that the only sensible thing is to allow hh
to be president, The other issue that was raised was that sata had a bad history due to his flip flop and scandles surrounding him and MMD has a bunch of ammunition they want to bombered on sata, especially from mid march towards august alot of sata’s scandles will surface, information coming through also is that FTJ has compiled a 183 pages pamphlet on why zambians must not vote for sata this is considered as the last bomb that will be shelled on sata a few weeks before voting Voting day and it will be a Paid advert to be televised on movie TV and ZNBC, A GROUP CALLED FRIENDS OF THE RULING PARTY have raised over 1.6 billion kwacha for negative adverts against sata, this factual information angered sata who responded in a bemba phrase ” NKANSHI TWALA FILILA MUNSENGA” translated as its…
There is so much talk by some Zambians about how they detest tribalism. But whether it is newspapers or politicians a majority of Zambians are bigotted. Non-indigenous Zambians like Guy Scott (the most intelligent PF politician), Patel, and mixed blood Zambians like Lubinda are all marginalised. There is no secret that PF is full of Bembas and UPND, Tongas. We ignore this at our own peril.
#19. Better than SATA THE K’MILLION, him alone can never be trusted with POWER..
translated as its better he plays a spoiler effect so that both HH and SATA lose.
So it is up to you Zambians to judge who has been honest about this pact between the two leaders, UPND wrote a letter six months ago but PF have not responded to their partners(?) to date.So this is the information i thought i should share to the public.
OCTOPUS P. BWALYA-The author is a PhD student and UPND advisor on PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCES AND DRUG RESEARCH.
FDD. FDD. FDD. FDD. FDD. FDD. FDD
Edith, where art thou? How dost thy pigs which thou boughtest with per diems from a few trips as passenger with RB fair? Thy living in husband whom thou takest from another woman, how is he? Are thou friend or foe with Dr Chiluba thy partner in the Carlington deal? Oh! Edith! We pine for thy show! Where art thou?
ADVICE – SORT OUT THE PACT DIFFERENCES AWAY FROM THE MEDIA, THE CLOCK IS TICKING
This Sata man is never trusted, the main fear in many people’s minds is that they may win elections together, but due to Sata’s luck of consistency HH may be chased never to see the vice-presidency. On Tuesday December 19, 2006, Sata is quoted by the post George Chellah to be specific, in a headline which stated and I quote, ‘Sata to hold Mass Demos’ This demonstration was over the new constitution which Mwanawasa was delaying due to luck of funds. HE wanted to hold demos in Lusaka, Copperbelt, Luapula and Northern provinces of Zambia, but later early 2007 he head that some of the proposals are that presidential candidate should have a degree which he was not in favour, then he made a U-turn against the constitution making process to ban even his MPs who wanted to be part of the…
cont. 80. He banned some of his MPS who wanted to be part of the constitution making process who are now known as the 22 rebel MPs. Honestly people is this the man you can trust to run your country who is never consistent, today he says this tomorrow he make a 360 degrees angle to change the whole thing. This man will really bring divisions in the nation, because as for him Zambia is Copperbelt, Lusaka, Luapula and Northern province, these other provinces do not exist in zambia and in his vocabulary. Shame on you Sata for wanting to cheat Zambians after causing misery to their economy in your ten year rule with Chiluba. You were number three in that regime and all the attrocities associated with it were due to your involvement as an advisor.
The future is in the hands of the youth. HH should not worry about PF. WINTER CAN WAIT FOR 50 YEARS but we need change now. These kaponyas are very arrogant, now we can see what type of a government they can run. I think even MMD beats them. Viva HH. By the way who says that PF is not a tribal party? Lubinda and Inonge is just window dressing.
sata will never rule..it would be better to rig than to allow such a man to rule..his kaponyas are ull of maggots in their heads..
Pf guys are the worste people to deal with, they those who are good at pointing fingers at others are the ones who are the worste. This is a party no one would want to associate with in terms of tribalism, If you look at pf executive committee, there is Sata the president who is Bamba and him Wynter Kabimba a Bemba again as secretary general. Guy scot is just hunging in the are as vice-president because all decisions are made by Sata and implemented by Wynter Kabimba. UPND executive is composed of different tribes and the only Tonga is HH, therefore judge for yourselves as to which party is tribal in nature. Wynter should spare us his imaturity of thinking he is the only one with eyes to see around.
I one time attended one of the pf meeting and the official language is Bemba whereby if you do not understand it then you are a no body, is that the zambia we dream of honestly people? Pf is Sata and Wynter the two Bembas, period. these others is just window dressing as someone has already stated on this blog. I also one time attended a upnd meeting as just a spectator, I never heard Tonga being spoken as an official language, only English. In upnd each member in the organisation structure feels part of the party thats why even prof. Chirwa who joined yesterday was able to make proposals.
hey am in love with you guys octopus and chiluba/sata regime….let the cogra/k’milion know that change is coming in favour of HH to the few who are not ground campaigning and who doesnt know…just a tip of an ice berg,make up your minds HH is real guys he is on the ground with the team…..shut up they will listen and get our strategy……wait for these by-election and see where one is going PF pick up your peaces let in 2008 election the dying horses….lets be real Sata is a shame in our politics!!!!
#42 which phd? mulelalafye ngabalemiboya ba mmd…what this phd holder talks is piece of sheet. Prof chirwa dispite being in upnd gave a logical analysis than pipo like u who get inclined either bcoz of a job, tribe or ignorance
#42 which phd? mulelalafye ngabalemibofya ba mmd…what this phd holder talks is piece of sheet. Prof chirwa dispite being in upnd gave a logical analysis than pipo like u who get inclined either bcoz of a job, tribe or ignorance
#17 u are the one
Mapatzya formula is a UPND concept, which embraces violence as a tool to win elections! NAZIS were very educated thugs!!
Wynter for real spare us your arrogance and imaturity, UPND was founded in North-western province, thats why these people will always embrace this party. Sata and Wynter cannot today promise them heaven on earth because just the presence of Sata near them reminds them of their suffering in the Chiluba and Sata regime. Mwanawasa was the only one who saw them to be human beings and developed their area North-western province and even Western. These were forgotten provinces in Chiluba/Sata regime, as Sata wanted even to sideline their leader. Therefore, Sata cannot come in a shipskin of PF promising us good things when his face just reminds us of our misery in his former regime. This time around we are punishing whoever destroyed our economy when he was in GRZ.
HH is my man this time around, I was wasting my vote on this old finished politician who mismanaged our economy in the Chiluba/Sata regime. Shame on Sata who went on international TV denouncing youths in Zambia that they have no vision and direction to rule the nation. Viva HH my man.
The Pact is the only way forward. None of these parties in opposition can beat MMD solo. Zambians had better think twice. HH and PF; MMD is busy spreading rumors to destabilize the pact.
I hear that UPND is considering a pact with the corrupt and rotten MMD! Mulongoti was fired for challenging the shameless snake kunda! Does it mean that HH will be willing to work as a deputy minister in the Vice presidents office?!!
Number 49 you are very dull. First of all PF is not for bembas only. Just check your facts properly
President Sate is Bemba, Vice President Guy Scott is “white”, National Chairperson Inonge Wina is Lozi, SG Wynter Kabimba is Soli. Given is Lozi. These are the top positions. Even MPs are balanced. UPND have only Tonga MPs even in Chilanga is a tonga man.
all the people who watched yesterday mobi tv open forum programme knows for a fact that PF is the root cause of the problems in the pact. Winter Kabimba, in particular is a very dull lawyer, because:
1. Prof Chirwa`s proposals were not on UPND official letterhead, hence any manager worth his salt can not act on that basis.
2. Prof Chirwa proposals was indicated as confidential but kabimba found it prudent to expose it to the media.
3. Kabimba was very defensive, instead of him putting across how his party intends to manage national affairs.
Hence, PF should not, for a minute that they can win elections alone. PF will win votes from all kaponyas and all illiterates along the line of rail but they should forget about votes from enlightened voters. By way the way, enlightened voters…
Kabimba thinks he is smart, but people of zambia are so mature that they can see beyond his tricks with Sata, no wonder we cannot entrust these two to manage our country it will go to dogs. There is too much disonest in Wynter’s eyes. for instance if your friend’s child gives you something unusual e.g money, the best way to do if you are a reasonable person is to call your friend to find out if he or she is aware of that gift. Wynter’s behaviour is evidence enough to tell us that there is no trust in this pact. PF is really exposing who they are to everyone that you cannot manage or organise anything with them because of their imaturity. Every well meaning zambian knows that Wynter made a very big mistake, but he cannot accept it due to pf mentality of blaming others.
# 17
utter nonsense,
Your choice for president is a poor one. the man has only been consistent at inconsistency. Don’t deceive the masses to say that man whose supported Levys corruption fight. That is a lie because the man said he was going to release Chiluba and onlychanged his position after RB bit him to it and Chiluba changed camps
# 59
It is short sighted people like you who bring take this country backwards. Who told you that UPND just want positions. UPND has a plan to change this country notifye pakanwa. Running a country tekubuta iyo. There is no chance on earth that UPND can form a pact with MMD
Kabimba contradicts himself in his statement as he said that he was part of the team called by Mazoka to form UPND and he understands what they stand for. It is on the grounds of tribal balancing that UPND believes in that Kabimba believes the PACT can work. The article in todays toilet paper suggests otherwise….
Octopus
Leta data mudala, Abaiche beshibe what tiome of the day it is. Mean while go and register to vote you chaps donti ukala typing fye,
Lets show that we are focused enough to change govt this year.VIVA UPND for Mature Visionary Leadership, Free Education, protection of the Zambian from foreigners on Jobs and business, Diversification of the Economy and Infrastructure devt….
The thing that PF misses in their analysis is that things have changed.
– The post is as bad as the Times /daily mail and people know that
– Chanda Chimba the III has been drilling serious holes in Sata’s profile so the young people who didnt know sata know him now
– There are close to 1 million new voters who in my view are pro upnd
– HH has shown more maturity that sata in the pact
– UPND has gained more from the pact than pf
– Given that there is very little junk in the UPND trunks it will be hard to stop the momentum….. the wheels of change are rolling
UPND has the most principled ministers, as they never change camps when the party fails to win elections. As such we have gained so much confidence in these guys that we are ready to die for them if MMD will think of rigging this year. Viva UPND you are the best.
Mulonda , how on earth will the UPND effect the change without being in positions of power? The main reason the pact has failed is because HH and company want the pact presidency, if that was not the case they would have agreed to the Chirwa plan. A small bird told me that in private HH does not want anyone to tell him to be vice to sata!
Mulonda the other thing is why should I trust a group of people who are so disorganized? Every jim and jack in UPND issues statements against the PF leadership anyhow. Civilized groupings are known for the way they communicate to the outside world. Even marketeers have a spokesperson!
H.H is not clever enough to read through lines and understand that Kakoma want the pact with PF to colapse.He is our member MMD. As soon as the PF.UPND drawns he will be in the forefront to make a pack ( MMD-UPND).Mark my words.HH is such a corward that he cannot punish CK
#69, Civilised people know channels of communication, even marketeers know channels of communication, not issuing press conferences on issues which are not verified the way Wynter Kabimba did without contacting his counterparts in upnd. He even said on that press conference that we have agreed, instead of saying there is a proposa, Shame on you Wynter you are now exposed anyway.
Yaba HH what’s wrong with you? You are a very selfish man.Are there politicians doing it for our future or for there greedy .pls we need you guys to join together and kick these malukus out of power.l want to come home to my mother land ,but how can l come.only lf mmd is out of power.pls pls join together.For us not for your selfishness HH .so u want to join mmd hope that’s not true.
# 71 Kabimba is authorised to speak even if what he may say is a not correct? That way it is easier to correct the error! Now look at the way UPND speaks! Every one is speaking and puking vernom agianst the PF leadership. I am begining to wonder why they expelled Chizyuka if they are worse than him?!
Why does the under 5 UPND not pull out of this PACT if they think they cannot work with the PF and are better alone????????
Its interesting that most of the debate has nothing to do with the collapse of the pact but our individual preferences for president. I was in Nchelenge last week and efforts to get a copy of the Post proved futile as I was informed the paper was no longer on sale, a direct result of the paper always talking about one Person. to me this was a measure that Sata was no longer as popular as he claims. secondly HH too should know that he alone cannot unsit the MMD. The victory over them has to be outright not based on small margins. The truth which we all know is that Zambians need the pact, its not for Sata, HH or Kabimba or even Kakoma. its so we can have a future we can look forward to. If all these people want positions I would suggest they pick on a completely non PF or UPND person.
Mule that’s one thing I have failed to understand too, they insult PF every day and somehow failed to come out in the open and say that they have left!
The objective one, please allow me to borrow Mpombos words “you are using defective tools of analysis to determin the popularity of the cobra!” How on earth do you use the availability of a newspaper as measure of satas popularity?!
@77 Tika
I am using what I believe is easily verifiable, because if I told you that people walked on Sata’s rally, in Mansa you wont believe me, If I also told you that the Police felt insulted by Sata’s remark at the same rally that they look like security guards, because of their blue uniform you wont believe me, if i told you that people felt Sata did not address their needs but spent his time talking about others, you wont believe. But because I believe along with several other people that the Post is synonimous with Sata, it is easy to use as a measure. I am on the ground in Luapula, if the PF has to return their popularity a miracle must occur…….which was actually supposed to be the PACT. now a lot of people are saying they would vote for MMD.
PF/UPND win.
Here is a scenario:
Sata President.
HH Vice President.
ACC and DEC are ordered to investigate HH on privatisation. No real evidence but gives Sata an excuse to remove HH as he faces charges ‘so that he can concentrate on the court case against him. I am sure that he is innocent and I will be very happy to re-instate him once he is cleared’, says Sata. Appoints Scott as VP. UPND cries foul and pulls out of govt. Sata wins.
Panji is very right, but this to work out within approximate less than 9 months before elections is a dream for the pact, no much ground work has been done to merge the two parties, this pact is only a reality at top level, I still strongly beleive there is too much work left to be done in both parties at grass root levels. By the way people are in suspense of which presidential candident to vote for… and this will give MMD a good ground to win especially after their convetion next month.
UPND for life! VIVA HH 2011
The objective one the issues you have raised as a man on the ground makes sad reading indeed. Our rallies indeed leave much to be desired, the other day uncle bwezani was saying sata is ugly I wonder how satas face will help) govern better?!
#79 where in luapula are u? this mere allucinations, if mmd can start dishing out money what does that tell you? be truthful and not jst worship an headless chicken moving to and fro. chiluba is panting. at that biggest rally ever in luapula no one left in disagreement am sure times of zambia kud hv reported that
#79 you must respond to Donch Kubeba as a matter of urgency!
#72 you shud have watched the debate betwn kabimba and kakoma than issuing statements u dnt kn.
UPND this,UPND that,eish man,so tired of these kids…………KK for pact president.
THE PANJI STARTEGY SHOULD PUT ASIDE SATA, LET ANOTHER PERSON VIE FOR PRESIDENCY IN PF. WE ARE TRYING TO DO AWAY WITH ALL THESE OLD GUYS LIKE MUGABE, GADDAFFI, MUBARACK, RUPIAH IN OUR AFRICAN POLITICS. SO HH REMAINS, BRING ON BOARD YOUNG ONES FROM PF, WE WANT TO SEE THE OBAMAS OF AFRICA PLEASE. IN EGYPT YOUNG PEOPLE FOUGHT AND WON THE BATTLE, THE SAME IN TUNISIA AND NOW LIBYA. THE YOUNG PEOPLE MUST PUT IN POWER THE YOUNG BUT INTELLIGENT LEADERSHIP PLEASE…PLEASE…NALAPELA….IT IS THE YOUNG WHO WILL DRIVE OUR NATION FORWARD. WE SHALL LOOK AFTER OUR BA SHUKULU/OUR OLD FATHERS LIKE SATA…..
HH FOR PRESIDENT….VIVA HH
hh fo life Sata is mmd
The Linyungandambo and BRE are behind HH. Let Sata perish he is a Krook.
#17 you are the man and #89 keep on dreaming,get it from me HH will never rule Zambia.SATA is ruling Zambia come election day!!!!!viva ba sata!!!!
PACT IS GONE. MY VOTE ON RB NOW.
VIVA RB
VIVA HH in 2035, VIVA
#30 so wat if hez neva bn 2 lecture theatre. Just tel us u want 2 sho the world you been there, primitive chap. The person who build the master piece of engineerin, the golden gates in the USA neva so # 30’s filthy, dilapidated, empty lecture theatre. No wanda u a bottle of Mosi.
On “Meanwhile, NKWETO MFULA reports that the UPND on the Copperbelt says Mr Sata’s political life is expiring following the misunderstandings that have rocked the pact… National youth chairman Joe Kalusa on February 27 urged the party leadership to call for a national management committee meeting to chart the way forward on the failed partnership with PF” this is news and not what Wynter and Eric of PF have vomitted on HH/UPND.
What PF must understand is that our the UPND has been expanding rapidly and at the rate UPND is going, PF will have a hard time to keep abreast.
Let UPND continue is vigorous campaigns across Zambia so that PF wakes up to a rude shock of the 2011 elections’ outcome.
Be blest all and vote for HH and UPND to form GRZ Administration this 2011…