The United Liberal Party (ULP) has said there is nothing wrong with election monitors conducting the Parallel Voter Tabulation (PVT) in this year’s elections.
ULP president Sakwiba Sikota said the PVT system will ensure transparency in the electoral system as all stakeholders will have an opportunity to tally and compare provisional results with those of the Electoral Commission of Zambia (ECZ).
Mr. Sikota said results made available through PVT are unofficial as the ECZ is the only body mandated to announce official results.
He said  all that is needed is to ensure that organizations involved in handling the PVT are accurate enough so as not to create panic in the country.
And Kabwata Constituency Member of Parliament Given Lubinda has vowed to continue advocating for Parallel Voter Tabulation adding that the exercise has always been conducted during elections.
Mr. Lubinda wonders why the PVT has become an issue now and when the ruling MMD have been relying on the same exercise to announce their victory in the previous elections even before the ECZ declared final results.
The Parliamentarian has also charged that it is highly irresponsible for Chief Government Spokesperson Ronnie Shikapwasha to threaten Zambians with arrests over a good cause.
He has since dared Lieutenant General Shikapwasha to order for his arrest adding that he will not relent in supporting the Civil Society Organizations that advocate for the PVT.
Meanwhile, the Foundation for Democratic Process (FODEP) Executive Director McDonald Chipenzi has called on people issuing negative comments about the PVT to seek clarification from the organization than make uninformed comments.
[ QFM ]
PVT is probably a waste of time & a money making exercise for NGO’s, as their tallies will never be official!!
What is pertinent, is widening & strengthening of VOTE COUNT MONITORING to ensure chances of rigging are slim more so in rural centres. Accompanying of Ballot boxes to the counting centres, becoz it is in rural areas that advantage is taken of to stuff boxes!!
the first time sakwiba saying something sense bcos this how mmd rigs elections
Well spoken Hon. Sikota and Lubinda.Indeed all stakeholders will have an opportunity to tally and compare provisional results with those of the Electoral Commission of Zambia (ECZ).There is legally absolutely nothing wrong with that.
what exactly will you do.
ask voters to indicate who they have voted for on exit?
send result to a centre manned by some chap who will tally the votes per polling station.
Announce who the winner is
here here here this is the only way to go. We already have a number of cooperating partners willing to support us. What is the problem here now!
Sikota is right!
#1 its not u who is going to spend the money or time, yo argument is shallow
this is our only option since the Pact has packed up, iwe chi #1 google PVT and see what happened in Zim ko!we iwe, ne chinobe chi VJ
Strange…Sakwiba now going anti-mmd?
These ngos are all anti government and pro sata. what assurances do you give that excited as they are they wont rig in favour of the cobra and send cooked figures eg in Lsk sata expect 0 votes and they send 5000 while rb gets 10,000 and they send 17 to their centre. and fred mmembe will be incharge of thiproject.
such nonsense will be broadcast to the world and sata declared winner. by the time the ECZ announces the true vote the damage will be beyond redemption and only a Gbagbo or Odinga mess could replicate in zambia.
rigging should not be accepted especially if it is to favour sata.
No sane government can accept such trassssss!
PVT is legal as long as the organisation is acredited or the party is participating in the polls. There should be a check on what ECZ is doing for transparency. Even my self in my house I can be tallying the results as they are being announced at polling centres if I have access. Now that someone has given it a name it has become criminal, WHAT A NONSENSE.
6 Donchi Kubeba – Tell #1 why the MMD was prepared to waste Trillions ok Kwacha on that white elephant called NCC
#9rb……….why cant MMD also involve the hungry churches & feet licking pastors that support them to be part of the PVT? yours is a lost concern, the most scared party is MMD, they know that it will be impossible to rig & very embarrassing to keep recounting so that your RBish can get back into power……..the fact that even you MMD supporters know that all NGOs are against your govt should tell you what kind of imb,ciles you have for leaders. we want change my dear, not a care about who we put in power, its just MMD that we ant out
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#Chewe you are a full to say the least. How can you demean other tribes like that?
That too shallow Chewe (#12), how old are you anyway?
No. 12 You are too shallow minded. It is often dull people or failures who turn to tribe in order to get sympathy. Your attitude makes me believe that KK and all those saying SATAN cant make a good Presdo are right. I am now contemplating ending my relationship with my bemba girl friend.
Sikota the rupiah bootlicker!! Interesting!! Shikapwasha is not normal,don’t take him seriously.
With or without PVT ifwe ni pabwato and SATA come 2011.
Chewe you are not zambian……….foolish!
12 #Chewe
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No one takes Saki seriously these days.The man is messed up with shoddy deals in the Greek community, and I bet Livingstone is voting change this year (MMD).
I am just stating a fact, these small tribes will never rule zambia, we are the majority and cannot allow them to rule, since HH refused to join us then capwa, to hell with these guys. If a Bemba cannot rule then it should be an easterner, period. no Luvale, Tonga, Lozi etc, Mwanawasa ruled us by chance thats why we were bitter with his rule. This time around Sata is our man in plot one accept or deny. Viva pabwato.
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#12 and #19 Just leave the site and find something else to do. #19 Typical of MMD, if Saki had said no to PVT he was going to be a hero, a greatman and son of Zambia.
20 #Chewe
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Good to note that the once vibrant SAKI can still be objective on matterz of national importance.
Please Read between the Lines, don’t be fooled by statements look at a persons character and what he does and has done. Don’t be cheated by sweat words, some Men Lust over power and forget that to be a President is a servant of the People. Ask God for Guidance and Let’s all pray for Peace for our Beloved Zambia, Let us not be tricked to hate and hurt one another. One Zambia One Nation, God Bless Zambia!!!
saki is not a serious politician..just concentrate on your law firm and defend those corrupt greeks and indians..
I suspect Chewe is not Bemba. A bemba can not be insulted like that and still continues. He is insiting people to hate Bembas and hence hate Sata. That is very bad Chewe. Now you causing a potential marriage to be broken.
CHEWE Ulichiyanga. Bamalozi aba Matonga abalo nchisi chabo echino. Those who are anti-other tribes will see this year. They will be taught a lesson.
Chewe why my brother do u think so primitively. U insult The Creator by mentioning peoples tribes
(Chewe says:
I am just stating a fact, these small tribes will never rule zambia, we are the majority and cannot allow them to rule, since HH refused to join us then capwa, to hell with these guys. If a Bemba cannot rule then it should be an easterner, period. no Luvale, Tonga, Lozi etc)
What you forget Chewe is that the rest of you are just in Luapula, Northen and Eastern. 3/4 of Zambia is others.
ANYWAY YOU ARE NOT BEMBA. ACTUALLY FROM YOUR STATEMENTS I CAN TELL YOU ARE TONGA YOURSELF.
#26 you have caught chewe pants down.
Anyone can rule Zambia, even a swaka, as long as he/she is Zambian
No, Chewe, reading between his lines is getting at Sata who according to him in 2001 said Lozis and Tongas if they want can be on their own, they are not a factor in Zambian politics. That’s the message, apart from the sarcastic manner he has put his poin through. Surely, Tongas of all hues, Lozis, Lundas’ Kaondes, Luvale,s Chokwes, Mbundas, Solis, Lalas, Mambwes, Ngonis – just all tribes should teach SATA a lesson on how to behave
Chewe you spoiled my day! Arent Tonga’s or Lozis Zambians? I dont blame u but yo father for not telling u the truth. Go back to history and u will discover that we are all Bantu people (some from the north and others from the south) and together we make up a vibrant nation. Sorry let me blame RB instead because he brought this language tok. Wake up short to call u a nephew to Hitler.Now the National leaders are RB,Saki, Sata, Nawakwi, HH, Milupi etc and all these are ruling right now while u are dreaming..(No other tribe to rule u). Forgiven for yo ignorance?Am now thinking of my routes, Maybe Angola? No Congo!
Too much debate and time wasting over silly ideas. Look, most of our NGOs, especially the ones that are making noises now, are aligned towards certain political parties and have lost all credibility. As everybody knows, they are just personal money making machines. They are not elected by the people or anybody else (Lee Habasonda, the whole lot), they only represent their pockets and therefore only report to those who fund them. How they can claim to be more credible than ECZ and try to do things on our behalf baffles me.
#31 If Sata said that then he must have over smoked, This in coming President sometimes speaks sense but goes off line sometimes. But I like his bravety.Imagine MMD without Sata, Nawakwi, HH and Milupi. Again for SATA I guess thats what his audience wanted to hear but the tribe issue we already went through it honestry.
PVT simply involves doing your own additions as and when the counting is completed at each poling station. Remember that counting is done in the presence of all party representatives. I see no problem with this. I suppose our good general shika is now full of air and so cannot think any more. He is threatening to arrest people for adding votes as they are being counted.
everything is being done to keep these pompus bemba ilterates and their chi sata out.its fools like chewe on this blog that think that bembas are clever when they are mostly dull illiterate thugs. they cant even match RB’s tricks ! they need to be taught a very good lesson.
I have wondered why votes from Central province, Kabwe area take long to be announced! PVT might be too smart for MMD
This time around brethlen, no SATAnist, watch him repent, for this is the year of the LORD’s favour. He will be baptised by the mighty UPND
PVT is a brilliant idea but i think most of us know how the OP(Gestapo) kicks into high gear during elections. Any announcements they(NGOs) try to make wont reach us until after the inauguration!
#12 Chewe – I am sure you more intelligent than that. So dont waste your intelligence!!
But coming to the PVT, I think it is a good idea. The MMD are paranoid about it because there is something that happens between counting at a polling station and sending the results to the tallying centre. So if there is a PVT, various people can examine other people’s tallied results to compare the facts. Nonetheless PEOPLE to IMPLEMENT the PVT should not simply be Anti-govt but selfless Zambians that are true believers in democracy.
I hope Sakwiba can join the PACT!!! What do you think Guys?
Some bloggers don’t cease to amuse me.Which NGO is not aligned to a political party? Gregory Cifi of sorry cifire ,Edwin LIFWEKELO’S name them Reverend Masupa BICOCA’S NAME THEM The now most famous news maker Edwin MUMBI ***always in the TIMES of Zambia AND Daily Mail. SO LET ALL THESE ***JOIN MMD IN PVT PERIOD OTHERWISE KUYABEBELE *****
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As for Sakwiba, as they say, the only good lawyer is a **** one. Who can really take him seriously now?
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# 36 two wrongs cant make a right. Heard of Rwandan genocide? We are the same in the image of God. Am a Zambian man aged 41 and can tell u we are all the same. May I add that illeterancy is catching up with all of us. What shall we do? U people we are the same, I repeat. Dont u mingle? Glad to learn that its just careless tok but I know u know it. I for one has really mingled especially among women folk.
No tribe any less intelligent, get it from me. Even a villager can entertain u if u so wish.
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..but I advocate for PVT so shimona kapwasha come and get me..I wil be with my brother Given Lubinda
At least Sakwiba has talked sense for the first time
# 35 Liungamoyo, I entirely agree with you! Gen Shika has lost it completely, threatening people for document what they already do through witnessing of vote counting at polling stations by represenatives of political parties.
# 12 & 20 Chewe, you are a big nuisance on this blog! We do not have tribes in Zambia for you to abuse, we are all Zambians first then we have tribes just as background. The same Sata you want to insite hatred against has a nephew who married a Lozi lady and they have 6 children. These are Satas’ grandchildren, some even bear Lozi names! So, you Chewe and your supporter # 31 Kalimwitobo, what are you saying???
# 36 hh, do not listen to a F00L like Chewe. I am Bemba, but when Mazoka stood, I voted for him because he was the best man for the job at that time!!!
ledyship ,now who do you think is the best man to vote fo.
# 12, you are very**** You are full of nothing but destruction, you tribalist.*******************************
Chaps like Chewe just bring my blood to the boil. What is the difference beteween you and a rascist? Why do you think one ethnic group is better than another? Are you serious? You are mentally challenged my man. Seek medical assistance.
Ba Chewe Ba Chewe, Iam watching you.
People have lost faith in most public institutions including the ECZ. That is why they have started resorting to parallel institutions. Government should get this message very clearly.
The way SACCORD wants to handle PVT is something that should not be accepted. Why announce results before ECZ?? These NGOs just want donor funds. They have seen a cash cow especially considering that the USA has stated that they’ll support PVT.
PVT can cause chaos in the nation. Why not work with ECZ, the only constitutional body that can announce results, to strengthen the election process. Why advocate for donor funded PVT. Donors should not be experimenting in Zambia.
RB will cry MAYOOOO!
Cannot LT make it a point that anybody who makes reference to tribes, race and any divisive submissions are deleted immediately and the IP is barred from future submission. One Zambia, one nation.
Three Capitalist
Cannot for once we be above petty party politics and diplomatic postings and positions?
Every channel (TV, Newspapers…) report votes polled as and when they are counted at the polling stations; they are compiled, collated and reported on real time basis.
What is wrong in real time reporting by whatever source they come out?
I was thinking of putting up live billboards in all provincial capitals and show the latest results real time basis. I thought it will add value to society but ………………..
Donors can’t work with ECZ because they also want change,they dont want corrupt MMD. I pity some of you who have tasted diaspora at Rupia’s grace because donors don’t want him and his corrupt govt. ECZ and MMD are the same twits and you think donors and NGOs dont know. This is why we need PVT,but with or without PVT Rupiah and his worshippers are out come 2011.
CHAPS! JUST IGNORE CHEWE AND COMMENT ON THE ISSUE. HE IS TRULY NOT BEMBA. HE’S JUST ONE OF THOSE WHO WANT TO TAKE PLEASURE IN SEEING PEOPLE FIGHT AFTER CROSSING THEM- IN THE SAME WAY ROOSTERS ARE CROSSED TO FIGHT. SO, JUST IGNORE THE FUUL.
#chewe is a frustrated supporter of MC Sata who is not happy that HH has decided to leave the pact. Just understand his anger and move forward with your life, he will get over it soon. The man had invested so much in the pact to get Sata to state house.
Some of these Zambians who seem to be crazy about this PVT must go out a bit. Zambians are not matured enough to accept official results which are in favour of the ruling party if they were contrary to the PVT. It would be a recipe for chaos. Let us first of all strengthen the processes that we already have before we start embarking on untried ground.
It is amazing how blogers on this site get reduced to levels of an I.d.i.o.t like chewe.why should you get carried away by a mentally sick blogger?please let us discuss real issues and forget about this kabalwe.
The issue of tribal lines will at one time bring havoc in Zed for sure as chewe puts it. This issue seems to be popping up because in the background these tribes who thinks they are superior thats what they advocate for. I have moved to many rallies conducted by the prominent parties we have in zambia including the ruling party. When in eastern province its the song of the people and same applies to Northern province. They say we cannot let the presidency go to western, North western or southern and mark my words this is a fact. Publicly its one zambia one love ..oh i mean one nation but in their closets they say know your relative for you to be helped out.
MMD used the same PVT to announce in 2008 that RB will win by over 35,000 in the presidential by-election. What is wrong today? Those against PVT must know that MMD has ben using it to tally their projected votes, The Post used it to predict Mwanawasa’s victory in 2006 against Sata, why were they not arrested? It is the same thing, the only difference is that there is education to the masses of what it is called. Things must not be done only when it suits the ruling party. Civilisation must move hand in hand with education, & I find it very dull for some people to oppose PVT.
@ #56 prince
Nothing wrong with real time basis as long as it is ECZ announcing. Those NGOs (SACCORD, AVAP, TIZ) are not impartial. They have an agenda. Whilst eating donor funds that the US plans to dish out, they’ll set their agenda which can cause chaos in Zambia. We do not need Ivory Coast or Kenya in Zambia. Zambian-Economist once published a picture showing some of these NGOs like TIZ joining in the red card campaign. Do you honestly expect TIZ to announce credible results.
These NGOs do not care about Zambia. They care about donor funds. PVT is a very bad idea.
Although, Sakwiba has said sense, it is difficult to trust him, this fellow is purely an MMD cadre. He is now pretending to be saying sense because he wants to continue eating, how can a brilliant lawyer be reduced to a simple cadre?? We need to watch him, he is merely politicking, we need to look into his eyes before believing what he is dreaming.
#6,7 & 10 try to use a few more nerve cells in your brains, becoz operating with only two cells tends to hinder both your thinking & expressive abilities as exhibited by your insults!! It appears that once you have offloaded your insults, you brains have reached their maximum output abilities!! My little dog has the abilities to teach people like you how to open up grossly impaired minds like yours, give me your addresses & i’ll promptly dispatch him!!!
don’t mind chewe, ine am bemba but there’s no way i can insult other tribes. i can say chewe is not bemba, he is just something else from different country. zambia belongs to all us (all tribes), so lets jst come together and remove this stupid MMD.
#21 CHEWE, I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED IF YOU ARE NOT A CURSED BEING LIKE JUDAS THIRSTY FOR BLOODY.ADVISE TO LOVING ZAMBIANS IS THAT LET US NOT HATE CHEWE BUT PRAY FOR HIM BECAUSE CURSED PEOPLE LIKE JUDAS/ CHEWE ACT UNDER THE CURSE AND THEY REACH A STAGE WHERE THEY CAN PIERCE JESUS/PERSON RIGHT IN HIS FACE WITHOUT THEM FEELING ANYTHING HUMANE. I AM WORRIED OF CHEWE FAMILY AND RELATIVES BECAUSE THAT ANGER AND BITTERNESS IS WHAT DRIVES SUICIDE BOMBERS.WATCH THE LIFE OF CHEWE WHERE IT IS HEADING-SELF DESTRUCTION.
Gen Ronnie Shikapwasha is supposed to be very gentle in politiking. Its a known fact how he lost to late Lackson Mapushi in his own backyard, Keembe in 2001. Lets learn from choas like in Kenya and Ivory Coast. Democracy is about being voted in and out of power. Whats wrong with Parallel Voter Tabulation. The advise they are getting from their Politcal Consultant should not be allowed to rear its urgly head on the political landscape of mother Zambia.Hopw can a man of God like Ronnie behave like a devil. Ronnie dont be drunk with earthly power. Ministers of information have been there before and there will be there in future. Kindly spare us this bad game you have started playing. You cannot rule by cheating. Even Levy’s victory was engineered and I dont what he says to Andy. Abash…
NCC SHOULD HAVE ASKED ECZ TO TABULATE HOW MANY REGISTERED VOTERS AT EVERY POLLING STATION EVEN BEFORE VOTING STARTS.OH HOW I WISH ALL YOU BLOGGERS WERE PART OF THE NCC WE DELIBERATE BETTER THAN THE LOW CLASS DELEGATES THAT ATTENDED NCC.IN FACT WE WOULD HAVE HAD A CONSTITUTION BY NOW.LOOK AT THE MONEY WE SPENT.
This is not just a statement for Sakwiba Sikota to put accross. We all are in support of PVT and that’s the way we will go. MMD has never won an Election on a clean plate since 2001, we need to make sure that this years come out spotlessly clean.
We will work on guiding our votes in this year and no monkey, not even Rupiah will stand in our way
How many bloody political parties are there in Zambia kanshi? Too many if you ask me – cant keep up!
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