The MMD is talking to various political parties to find ways of avoiding a presidential by-election.
MMD National Secretary, Katele Kalumba, says this is because the exercise is expensive.
Dr. Kalumba said in Lusaka, Thursday, that it will be costly for the country to spend 400 billion kwacha on the by-election.
Dr. Kalumba, without naming the political parties the MMD has engaged, said the ruling party is discussing with Secretary Generals to look at available options.
He urged the opposition and Non Governmental Organizations with ideas on how the country can move forward without getting into an election to engage the MMD.
Dr. Kalumba called on stakeholders to think seriously on how the country can move forward as one family.
He however said the MMD is ready to go into the presidential by-election if money to hold the election is available.
Dr. Kalumba further urged stakeholders in the electoral process to be mindful that the country will be holding tripartite elections in 2011.
Zambia is expected to hold a presidential by-election following the death of president Mwanawasa on August 19.
According to the republican constitution, the country is supposed to hold a by-election 90 days after the demise of a sitting president.
And opposition United National Independence Party (UNIP) on the Copperbelt province says it is not ready to participate in the forthcoming presidential by-elections.
UNIP national revival forum chairperson for Copperbelt province, Dick Mbao said in a statement to ZANIS today that the party has no single leader with a mandate to represent or compete favourably in the presidential by election.
Mr. Mbao stated that it was premature for someone to stand as a candidate because the party was going through a reconciliation process.
He said the party was yet to hold its national congress to elect members of the central committee who then should decide on the candidate.
“UNIP is preparing for the presidential, parliamentary and local government elections in 2011 and not for a by election,” Mr. Mbao added.
He described the participation of his party in the November presidential by-election as irrational.
He said it would be a waste of the party’s resources to participate in the presidential by election.
UNIP national revival forum is a party faction headed by General Malimba Masheke, the former party secretary general.
The country will hold a presidential by election following the death of President Levy Mwanawasa last month. The late Dr. Mwanawasa was put to rest yesterday at the Embassy Park in Lusaka.
Meanwhile, opposition Patriotic Front (PF) says it is now ready to discuss issues concerning the forthcoming presidential by-election.
Party Spokesperson Given Lubinda told ZANIS that the party was waiting until the late President Mwanawasa was put to rest to air its views on the forthcoming presidential by-election.
Mr. Lubinda said the party would soon call for a press briefing at which a comprehensive statement would be issued and all issues concerning the presidential by-election would be exhaustively discussed.
He said the necessity for a free and fair election would be articulated during the press briefing.
Mr. Lubinda added that the need to maintain peace before, during and after the presidential by-election would also top the agenda.
And what are the altrnatives? What about the law which states that an election should be held within 90 days? What on earth is going on? Forgive me, but this is raising a lot of suspicions in my brain….
mangalo aya where is the extra 250 billion from the mines taxes
Is this a circus or what?
Katele what are you telling us?Read the constitution and then come back.What are you so scared of?
This is why the constitution should be amended. The next time they make amendments, the Presidential Candidate should appoint their running mate before elections. When voting, we will vote for both of them. This can assist us in case the President is unable to perform or dies. Since both are elected, the Vice President will automatically become the President without wasting time and money like what is happening at the moment. Amending the constitution will not cost as much as holding elections every time a President is unable to perform or dies. I hope this can be taken into consideration.
MMD are scared of loosing the Presidency. The constitution says within 90 days, the election must be held. All those people getting fat allowances must look at this to ensure that we do not waste resources in between the term of a candidate.
ladies are gentlemen ,I hate Katele and his MMD thugs, but I think this is a valid point. 400 billion on a election which MMD and RB are going to win is not worth it really. The opposition as usual will field, Nawaki, BY, HH, Sata, Silwapwa, Magande/Maureen and RB will this time win with a 17 % simple majority. Lets wait for the constitution to fix this mess and then we can have a proper election in 2011
By the way burial was yesterday when did Katele have the meeting I suppose with his fellow MMD members b4 he could go to other parties when people were busy mourning and praying?
Chanda there is money.the CRC an be suspended untill futher notice as it has a lot of money more than 400 billion
In my opinion, I think MMD want the opposition to withdraw from contesting in exchange for a govt of national unity Kenya style where RB is president and Sata or HH are vice president and prime minister. As RB is the only candidate, he will go through unopposed.
Amama ine
silly
Kunda, Mulongoti,Dora Siliya and Mukuma are on ZNBC(21:50hrs). Kunda says RB for the time being is discharging his duties effectively.
I agree with almost everyone who blogged before me. Why have a national constitution if it cannot be followed. The govt just has to incur the expenses. By avoiding a by-election, they just want to comfirm, Ruphiah Banda.
There is no excuse for not having a by-election. Hopefully, the opposition will act according to the constitution.
#9 yes I know the money is there, but the figure just sounds too large for an election that will have an obvious outcome. By the way VJ is back..you know the rest
Just a few days after LPM died, the govt announced that they had enough money to hold elections??? We are in this mess becoz our law makers always amend the constitution to suit the politicians and not the country as a whole. Accident, Death and sickness cannot be avoided therefore the constitution should clearly state what should be done when such things happen.The permanant solution is for the Vice President to be elected as well. Pls we have had enough tormentation, we would want to go through this once again.
it is very unfortunate. waisting three solid years. what a lie. to impose RB. No, not at all.
Chanda we make 250 billion from copper royaties only.un budgeted by the way.
we are ony talking about ten million US dollars
Katele is not the Minister of Finance. So don’t take him seriously
The govt should accept that they made a mistake by publishing a constitution that only suits current politicians. Becoz of their mistake, they have to bear the cost NO HIGH WAYS…just hold elctrions and follow the constitution that was created by yourselves!!!
400billion is a good sacrifice for a noble cause and not RB.
When asked about choosing Mangande as a way of being loyal to LPM, Mulongoti says no one person can claim that he achieved something alone becoz they were all working as ministers collectivelly LPM leadership. (19:56hrs0 on ZNBC TV.
I know the trick here, #10 you are right the fear that Sata is likely to win is causing panic and disperation in MMD.MMD is facing leadership problems. That is why political parties must have the vice president. If levy never abolish VP position MMD wouldnt have been where they are today after Levy;s untimely death.
Kalumba is stupid.
LT can you stop the nosense of blocking my postings, you getting on my nerves, thats why you are supporting a headless chicken like RB.
well, ladies and gents – that’s Zambia for you. I thought this was still a government of laws and not men. Isnt Katele just a party cadre? Why is he addressing the nation?? The hungry wolves have already sold us out – 400 billion or more – we demand an election, its our right as citizzens – the constitution should be amended before we swear another chap into office to avoid the LPM type of manipulation. What’s 400 Billion when we’ve got trillions (Magande issued a similar statement over the salary increaments)
On the other hand Minister Mukuma says if the law allowed he would loved to continue the way it is without ellections untill 2011. The man is evading questions but my conclusion is that he is for RB.
This is BULLSH-T!! We have a constitution. Kunda did confirm we will go by the constitution. If MMD don’t want to participate, that is their right as a party. As a bonafide zambian, I will take the state to task on this one, they cannot openly rape our constituition & get away with it. The only alternative is to call for a referendum to back this move – funny enough, it will also cost money, infact much more if the referendum was to say proceed with a by-election – sorry Katele, this is not an issue that only parties can decide, it’s out of your hands mate!!!
what if RB dies tomorrow, no by election but katele should rule, and katele dies, then vj should rule, then vj dies, mulongoti should rule. come on Zedians, we need our own choice. Zambia is not MMD and MMd is not Zambia.
If there wud be no elections, then anyone can be President since there wud be no fear he/she wud lose in certain provinces, so the race wud be thrown wide open, not rB, he comes with some “baggage” that is causing concern, let us discharge his duties now in an orderly manner an then had over to someone else, we cannot allow ourselves to be taken back two steps on our journey to making a beter Zambia, no, no to UNIP, no mediocricy, no no. Mulongoti is just jealousy of Magande cos LPM singled him out for being hard-working and compentent, Ba Mulongoti ikapwa nangu chibeshani, kuya bebele together with your RB.
BLOGGERS THIS IS INTERESTING BUT I HAVE TO LOG OUT COZ I HAVE A SERIOUS EXAM TOMOROW.BY THE WAY HAVE YOU HEARD THAT ONE OF OUR OPPOSITION LEADERS JUST GOT DISCHARGED FROM A PRIVATE CLINIC IN LUSAKA COZ OF A ‘MINOR’ HEART ATTACK?
Well, if the people vote for Sata, would that be so bad??? I am not advocating for him but out of all the candidates on display, he has the better chances especially with the grass roots. Its just a couple of months ago that LPM hijacked the constitution making process to suit his needs – if our politicians can only look to the future and see how much suffering their myopic decisions bring, maybe we could have been talking a different story today. Presidents in this country have always thought the meaning of power is to hire and fire ministers at their whim. What a shame…
Katele is no Government spokesman so he should take his wishful thinking to witchcraft antics. Just because there is a crisis in MMD should the whole nation suffer??? These stupid politicians should know that the constitution is the preserve of Zambian people and they cannot just wake up and decide to violate it. Why engage political party leaders and not the owners of the constitution we the Zambian people. These fools are taking our peacefulness for grunted. They must follow the constituion to the letter. Money for salary increments is there so even for presidential by-election money should be there. I am enraged indeed.
These guys are still in the stone age era. A constitution is there for a reason and it stipulates that an election is necessary. How can you have a country without rules. Trying to cling on to power and amass or hide wealth, that’s the only conclusion
katele has data and now scared RB may not pull thru at national level
Well, I know he sounds stupid but lets think about it for a moment.
But Chibiliti Secretary to the treasury recently told us that the funeral and the bye-elections would be financed from WITHIN the budget. Yet we saw unprecedent donations coming from BOZ and many other financial institutions claiming that they were contributing to the funeral expenses!! Imwe, ma double standards muleke. Now you are complaining of K400 billion? Then Chibiliti should be fired for misleading the nation!
#32. Even if Sata’s message reasonates well with the grassroots, but is he really the guy to take this country forward in creating wealth for the nation. I have never heard of his sustainable plan for wealth creation. The much needed wealth that will create even more job opprtunities, improve roads, hospitals and modernize those shams we call buildings in cairo road.
# 29 – Spot on.In law it will be justified as precedence. It can not be allowed!! We have a right to choose our leaders and non of these greedy vultures can take that away from us!!
These fools can find money to raise thier salaries but when it comes to elestions, they start playing semantics. Give us our constitutional right and don’t you dare try to cut side deals. This has the markings of Katele Kalumba all over it.
not when they are floating RB. As you negotiate, prove to us that your product is good. what is your offer sir. not RB. Try another and thern come back
#38 – I see your point. I am not advocating for the man and I stand corrected but the current constitution demands that a Zambian president shall be elected and if the people (since its winner takes all) choose him, then he becomes the legitimate ruler of the nation. I have no confidence in him on a personal level but he is a populist and speaks the right language and addresses issues that everyone is afraid to address – especially sensitive issues around labour and taxation. So in my opinion, this guy is the biggest threat that the MMD have…
MMD supported Levi when he condemned undemocratic tactics in Zimbabwe, is what they are advaocating democratic???????
Why was hiding with his laptop at the n’ganga house. He shouldn’t be talking his hands are tainted.
we want elections we want election we want elections,no less no more.It is written in black and white.Whats wrong with these chaps kanshi.
Katele Kalumba bad thought,we cannot bypass the constitution.Its not your constitution nor is it the constitution of MMD and the Opposition parties.It is not again your money but for us the people.We made the constitution,us the people of Zambia and it is us that you have to consult.You are educated and have being in government for a long time.You must understand that we the people have members of parliament who represent us.Whom are you going to be saving this money for if tomorrow you the same people squander it.How much money has gone into wrong hands since MMD came into power.Follow the constitution and help us by doing the right thing because there shall be no record of bypassing it.
#37 katele is not saying there is no money. Just saying that it’s a very costly venture that could be avoided. I dont think Chibiliti mislead the nation. I’ve spoken to him seems like a reasonable fellow from what i’ve seen. The money is there.
Sata can be a very good leader but dangerous at the same time.If today you bypass the constitution what will stop people like Sata to abuse it to his own advantage.
Even if it’s costly or not, an election is part of the constitution, that’s why rules are there. We have to wake up from this mentality that got us in this hole of poverty in the first place
#47 every one knows that such ventures are costly,Should we then be avoiding elections.What we will this mean then?
What Katele is sayng is absolutetly, irelevant, iresponsible, not acceptable and shld not be entertained in anyway. This shows how petty this ruling govt is. Imagine they cant even mobilize resources 4 such an important event. If not careful Kalumba will soon become a political comedian coz his handling of issues leaves so much to desired since that time he was caught with a traditional laptop made in luapula.
Totally agree with you Neddy. If we by-pass the rule of law this once, it can be used as a weapon against us by some tyrant in the future
The question of cost does not come into play when we are talking about the rule of law and foremost the Constitution, which is clearly spelt – within 90 days elections must be held. It does not say that “within 90 days elections maybe held”. That aside, Zambia’s cooperating partners have indicated in the past that they would assist the Zambian Government with grants to hold the Presidential By election – I stand to be corrected but the former British High Commissioner to Zambia was on record of saying Britain would assist.
Anyway, how come the moral concious comes into play about the cost of the elections, which is stipulated by law, but no moral conciousness comes into play when it comes
Hey!! what’s the hell are you talking about Katele? its just that you can’t be a president so you want to put in someone you can easily manipulate atase!! ifya puba UKO. lets follow the constitution and have elections whether with money or no money. if Zimbabwe with inflation of over one million percent is holding elections what about Zambia. Ba MMD Ichindikeni what politics are talking about? Go for elections lets choose the new leader. Zambia is a democracy and not a monarch.
MMD kuya bebele. But Zambians we better think fast and sensible. Let us allow By-elections to go on, and give chance to King Cobra. We can change him in 2011, and bring in younger president. We need action and not boring and sleepy RB.
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into play for their ridiculous increase of their salaries, which is only awaiting Presidential Assent. Abash Katele and such thinking. I guess it will be alright to gabana the K400 billion amongest themselves after they draw up the so called “Patnership of Government” with either HH or Sata as Vice President and whoever is annointed by the MMD NEC as President. No my fellow good people the voice of the people must decide or be seen to be deciding through the elections.
MMD is worried. The possibility of them losing is quite strong so they want to talk the opposition into not fielding their candidates so that their (MMD’s) man or woman can go unopposed. That’s the only legal way they can avoid the by-election.
Oh, I hear there is an unnamed MMD presidential candidacy applicant. Could this be Maureen or even Kalumba himself? These guys are playing games with the people – bad games.
Almost K3 billion per constituency! What a lie, ECZ have already said they have sent tonnes of elections material country wide, what is this wizard talking about?
If you come to think of it critically, Katele is right in some way. There is nothing undemocratic about the MMD continuing until 2011 if only the other parties can agree and the constitution amended. Mandate to rule the country for five years was not only given to Levy as an individual but to the MMD as a party. Remember what happened in the UK when Tony Blair resigned. Goldon Brown took over withiout a by election because the Labour party had the mandate to rule for the whole term. If only the constitution can be amended, that would save us alot of cash. K400 billion gentlemen can built a township bigger that Chelston.
why this nonsense?we must have elections period!
It seems they wanna finish stealing the $.Zambia is not a poor country anymore.Europeans already said zambia can fund elections without being helped.we get millions of $ through tax on mines.Why is mmd scared?let them follow constitution or else hand over the power to apposition party simple as that.Ala ukutupa!This is the lesson so tht u can start finding leaders on time.we don’t want presidents who are not ready to run our country all the time eg Banda is not ready.
These are people who can spend money on anything including awarding themselves salary increments. Now all of a sudden they want to save money just because the event requiring the expense this time is the election? I hope the opposition rejects this offer.
I strongly suspect this secrete or unnamed applicant is the one who will finally carry the day as MMD presidential candidate. Watch this space.
If Kalumba and his people are genuine, let them field an opposition member for president.
#59 please read the constitution and get your facts straight about the stipulations when a sitting president dies.
#59
K400 billion is a lot of money but we don’t see anything from this govt.Even the K400 billion u’re talking about u won’t see how it’ll be spent.This stupid mmd can’t build a town 4 u better elections than seeing all the $ eaten by stupid mmd.We’ve never seen anything good from mmd not even a good shoping mall they’ve built.
It’s high time we put opposition party in power.It looks mmd is not ready to rig elections this time.if we wait 2011 elections will be rigged.
Aren’t these the same who said that the constitution was ok and nothing should be changed?
Why raising the issue of the money now?
Arent these the same who flew a dead body (M.H.S.R.I.P.) all aver the nation with hundreds of unnecessary paid ‘officials’
Is’nt this the same govt that has been heaping sand in the barotse plain trying to make a 67 km road for almost a decade.
Its clear we are being led by blind folks.
Brothers les be serious with our nation.
costs should not be an excuse they are looking for an oportunity to manipulate the us 1.GB offerd to help with elections,2.there is cramble for leadership in MMD and Maureen is out of question and lets stop making decisions out of emotions we feel sorry for her and allow her to stand on wrong grounds and when her morning is over ebakamba ukuponta.now she is using her way to get those that suit her to plot 1 remember her hands are equally not clean.most of that family tree is her family not forgeting the MCCI.now the funeral is over wait for one misunderstnding you will hear the revalations its a matter of time.lets not be too quick we will regret.she is not even presidential material.
Honor the constitution!
this is wrong what a raw deal
The constitution must be followed to the later. Out of their on choice, a useless move, Govt spent collosal amonts of money on taking LPM body to all provinces! If these guys had even a bit of forcus and planning, they would have avoided this expensive venture in order to beef up cofers for bye elections.
Ladies and Gentlemen, bye elections must be held, for purposes of clarity, peace and respect of law. What nonsense is Katele brewing. And where is Minister of Justice, who made it so clear! This guy can bring confusion.
Too many spokepersons in MMD. Entropyyyyyy!
this lame nigga is talking about by election greens what about the increament their giving themselves,b**ch a** nigga
what a lie, when Zimbabwe with a billion times inflation managed to do it in a few days, who are you Katele. You amnipulate the the few MMD cadres and you think you can do it for Zambia when Mugabe a poor man can hold two elections for himself you tell us there is no money. No, No, No. Opposition refuse, you are our only hope before mob justice occurs.
Katele is out of touch with nature. We want to vote period.
let this nigga talk about juju en sh*t,laptops of human fresh and fieces then we will pay attention.
Absolutely rubbish and nonsense! It is an infringement on Zambian people’s right to vote. What makes Katele think that M MD has what the Zambians want? Where is the RULE OF LAW in this whole arrangement. So gentlemens agreement is above the law? And what will be passed under that table to put aside the Zambian’s will and the provision of the law?
The issue of the election “being expensive” is neither here nor there as donors and partners of democracy have offered to fund the election.
Zambians beware and standup to these old time tricksters.
There is no democracy in what is being suggested. They are politics of dictatorship where a handful of people (or fools if you like) decide
let this nigga talk about juju en sh*t,laptops of human flesh and fieces then we will pay attention.
besides i think it was too early for Maureen to start issueing statements and being a lawyer she should be aware of the implications of un verified information on who her husband prefered for the position as this has brought more confusion in MMD besides levy could change his mind overnite regarging reshurfles he was not reliable in that matter.he may have preferde magande but that does not mean he is the right man and how disrepectful of her to make levy seem didnt respect, trust RB enough as this is what it shows.and just for RB to hear it in media.guys lets be serious.like most have said MMD is not Zambia, lets not let their comfussion affect our decision.get facts b4 make decision
If ECZ is distributing election materials already, who sent them? MMD of course, for elections, unifortunately the ligging can’t work this time arround and they know they will not make it with RB. HH go foward.
There is no democracy in what is being suggested. They are politics of dictatorship where a handful of people (or fools if you like) decide on behalf of the majority.
Abash Katele!
Abash the Post!
Abash VJ!
Viva Rule of Law!
Let the constitution rule and the people’s wish prevail.
this maureen is the author of all confusion,she is acting like she is the first to be bereaved,stay in line.
im impressed with you bloggers! Zambia is waking up!! You shall be fooled no more by plunderers like Katele. It’s really the beginning of the end for MMD. These loyal theives who put themselves first and not the country. Look at the way they are imposing RB. They are scared of hard working people like Magande. They are scared that Magande will demand competence and hardwork from all. However with RB on the ballot they should kiss goodbye to hefty salaries bcoz they will lose terribly. If you don’t know who to vote for close your eyes and put cross on HH. lets remove these dunderheads from govt.
This baboon headed frog is opening its mouth again. I can even see the wizadry coming out of that chi Katele mouth on the front page. This ediot belongs to the dogs. We the people don’t give a dam how much the election will cost. Even if you save K400 billion will you ever give it to the ordinary people? Your stale minds are like parastatals from the UNIP days. You f00ls. You thieves. You want to rob Sata of the chance to correct the MMD’s mistakes. Katele chibanda. Ulichiwa.
We are going ahead with the election. State house is not a bargaining house and it’s not a tavern. Katele has a paralysed decaying brain. How dare you open that stinking mouth to utter such nonsense to the masses.
Ba Chanda Phiri #7, your points are very valid which I think deserve serious attention but not jut now for the constitution stands supreme and we shall uphold it at all costs.Democracy is never cheap and temptations to shortcuts in the name of savings should be resisted just as Jesus resisted the devils temptations in the wilderness.The Devil correctly and desperately quoted the Bible when he tempted Jesus to jump from the top of a building.Zambian,Kalumba is quoting from the “bible” using the lack of funds as a bait.Like Jesus,let us chose to remind him that we shall follow what the constitution says.We have less than 90days to hold elections whatever amount is needed!
The idea of not holding elections is rubbish and must not be entertained if the rules of good governance are to be adhered to. It is better to use that money on elections than leaving it in the hands of thieves to ransack the coffers of the country. Am sure that some crooks in MMD are sensing that they may lose power because the most credible person in the party has died. Withb the emergency of VJ, Chitala, AKa is an ugly thing for Zambia
and who’s that Chinese man in the in the background hovering behind the wizard? is he also vying for the presidency or does government now employ foreigners into the body guard service?
If opposition also accept this nonsense i’ll just say Zambia is full of fools and will never develop.This shows why constitutions should be amended after by election.we need a good constitution where by VP takes over.So far we don’t want stupidity.I’m very annoyed by this stupid suggestion from Katele.If Ba sata or HH read lsk time i’m sure they’ll make a good decision rather than allowing family tree and MMD candres continuing ruling us.
Please zambians wake up!If elections won’t be held then i’ll conclude tht zambians are still ignorant.
Zambia is not only for the 56 people in the NEC , we all have the right to choose who we want to be our leader. Katele pliz dont behave as though you dnt understand our constitution you re infact the people who made it we dnt expect u to talk like that, money here should not be an issue if it means sleeping with empty stomachs tukalala . We are going by the constitution
Didn’t the visiting EU reps say they are ready to help Zambia with financial assistance to hold the elections? what was the noise about when the Finance minister said the money for elections is there or have they already blown the budget?
Govt of the ppl by the ppl, even if it costs 100 billion!
Does not make sense at all, let the people choose their leader. MMD can do what they want but constitution of Zambia must be supreme if the so called govt of laws is to continue.
#85 Russia moscow i have to agree with you on this one. if Zambians will once again be blinded by this foolish act then stupidity and ignorance still prevails in this land. I was shocked to read some of the comments from the other shallow minded bloggers like #7, #59. These people are not intellectually fit to post comments on this blog. They must be beneficiaries in a way from the current MMD because i don’t understand how they can simply agree with the current way of life the average Zambian has been forced into. When was the last time #59 saw government building up a township the size of Chelston? he must be an imbecile of the lowest breed. Grow up young man
The cost of holding a bye-election is far less than the cost of manipulating the constitution.Zambians are ready to sacrifice the cost just to exercise their inalienable right, that is to choose their leader(s)in a democratic manner.When the general populace cries out loud for a people driven constitution, this is what they cry about.But you leaders keep managing the affairs of our country very myopically and selfish.We will not compromise on this one.Uphold the rule of law as advocated by your departed colleague.Do not confuse the humble people of Zambia with all this dangerous rhetoric.It is your duty to find money for this noble cause.
Is katele trully and really educated. This is a kind of proposal you expect to hear at Chisokone/Soweto markets not from someone who once held a senior role in cabinet. In any event, Katele has no authority to speak for and on behalf of the Government. He is perfectly entitled to complain that MMD has no money to campaign for its candidate, in which case they are free not to participate, but PLEASE let Zambians decide their destiny through the ballot end of.
Takuli!! Hold the by elections,mwenso Ka?
#91 KCC walasa.This is a mature, sobre, intelligent comment.We need people like you to tell these fools that Zambia is not a personal to holder country
Antkaso, howz it my friend?
Utter Nonsese……shall we pray for this man katele,he’s out of his damn mind!
Am sorry: but katele needs to be admited to chainama hospital urgently before he plunges the nation into trouble.thank you
The question of cost does not come into play at all, because the British government has pledged to meet the costs of the bye-election. Funds will not be made available for other projects if we bypass the constitution. It will be illegal not to have elections. even before the EU pledged to foot the bill, the Fin ministry assured us funds are there. There is no logic in the reasoning, soon we will hear there is no money for judges to hear cases so all accused persons will just be locked up. Or all appeals not heard. MMD is jittery and risk crumbling.
400bill is nothing! 3 nations have offered to sponsor the elections so far
No.59 your argument is misconceived. The system used here in the UK is different from the Zambian one. In Zambia, its direct representation hence you vote for the President (LPM) directly whereas in the UK you vote for a Party. Therefore, consent to govern in ZEd is given to a person and to a party in the UK. It follows that whoever the party chooses as its leader in the UK assumes the reigns of power as long as his or her party has won the majority of seats in the hse of commons. So Zambia can change the system in future if it wills but for now KU VOTA BEBELE.
LPM was elected by people. His successor must also be elected. We don’t want a small group of people at Chrisma Hotel to choose a leader for us. This country is peacefull and Zambians have handled the bereavement with wisdom and maturity. This Wizard, Katele, must not do something that will lead people to rioting.
I think the K400 billion is an exageration. it would be nice if we could see the breakdown of this “K400 bilion”…. why would we need so much money? instead of of avoiding elections these guys should be looking at ways of reducing that 400 billion budget to a more reasonable figure without compromising on quality offcourse
KCC, I am not so good. Just saw in the Post uncle Chime is gone. He worked hard for our beloved KALAMPA…rest his soul.
no tricks katele, elections now even if it costs US$400bn. we followed the constitution when elevating RB, and we should continue to do so.
Ba Chanda Phiri, you are a very sensible person. Are here in the US so we can link up? I seem to like your thinking
Antkaso, indeed. Those are our true heroes.MHSRIP
The problem with us African (Katele in particular) is that we don’t value the cost that comes with democracy. In western countries, democracy and freedom are furiously protected, often to the point of shedding blood. Democracy is always etched in blood and there is no cost too big to exercise it. I would rather we spend K400 billion even if its just for a week’s worth of the presidency. Now that Levy has died, all the crooks and criminals like Katele and VJ are positioning themselves to steal again. Nonsense, Zambia is different now.
BUT BRITAIN IS PAYING FOR THIS ELECTIONS. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? EVEN PARADING THE COPSE WAS EXPENSIVE.
Have you guys seen the Post Headline? It says, “Levy thanks those who mourned him”. The story is not yet published. I wonder if that is what Maureen was talking about before burial that there was something Levy had recorded
WONANI has died
it looks like dr katele has gone mad how much did levy circus cost?more than the money he is talking about and we are still paying for as maureen is still ku statehouse let us wait for the final bill?
who is wonani another mmd?
Wonani was involved in Football
Katele and co, no short cuts please. Respect the ‘rule of law’ of Zambia. You have done very well so far. Complete this noble task. If it means suspending NCC allowances, then do so. All eyes are on Zambia and we cannot afford to lose direction at this crucial moment. You have survived in tougher times. Tili tonse, hatwende basa, ona fa, twaiyai kukuvota.
Imwe ni constitution fye apaa.kunda evn tod them tht there is no alternative or extention,its elections within 90 days.nt ths katele cadre statement cumin out..he is bhavin dull,he knws hw dangerous hs statement is..folish kabookee..
Katele ni nkoko sana te wakunfwila!!! If anything , he is trying to hoodwink the opposition up till the last minute, then change story that we have to follow the constitution, I think we should all just ignore his crowing. LAZ & the chief Justice will have none of this nonsense, it will be the worst abomination of the constitution ever, even FTJ’s attempt for a third term, will be a laughing matter!! Lets not even expend our energies on this one! Better we focus on the oppositions strategy, now that LPM has been interred.
#42, YOU ARE spot-on. The man is a decision maker and he is not afraid of making unpopular decisions. He is the only man who stands up for the common man. I am not going to go thru what u ve already mentioned. But what else are pipo looking for if not for such traits?
Katele -nichani kansi iwe muntu! Siulema kuhiba manje na zama elections ufuna kuba.
I am afraid but democracy seem not be applicable to Africa.
Let the people have their say. It is a tragic and rare incident but covered in the constitution. Zambians are peaceful people but our voices should be heard at the ballot. Sure it’s going to cost but it is better than paying the price of ignoring the will (and constitutional right) of the people who are prepared to make their own minds up who should move into plot 1.
Akatele kankoko ninshi kale pakala zebiggie? Twala ka gimuna mu Movement for Matako Double. Elo ba LT nabo ati you are posting comments too quickly.Zoona kanshi ndi nshimbi bakamba.I am thinking faster than the computer
The problem with Sata, is last time he ignored West & Southern provinces hence the reason he was nicely thumped – he is big headed & doesn’t take advice!
Why is this an issue? This point wasnt even raised in the draft constitution. The current constitution should be respected in the same manner that Levy respected it when opposition leaders demanded that elections be held under a new constitution. No one cares that UNIP are not ready for elections. We dont need parties that hibernate only to re-surface every 5 years.
LET THE PRESIDENTIAL BY-ELECTIOOS BE HELD NO LATER THAN THE CONSTITUTIONALLY STIPULATED TIME; PERIOD.
Who the f**K is Katele to overturn the constitution of an entire country, eh? If MMD have 18 candidates and can not make up their minds, that is their funeral. The nation marches on with or without these career thieves and pseudo-intellectuals. Money is already there and not a single ngwee is coming out of Katele’s black arse so where is the expense you have suffered iwe galu iwe Katele?
We the pipo of Zambia will foot the bill. Its our country, our bye-election and we want to choose ‘our’ leader, who we feel will lead us to our future. Pls spare us the nonsense MMD, we are not yoked to your rule. Pls pls, someone stop the rot!
You fooling yourself.
theres nothing to think about on this matter,its just elections because the constitution states so.if Katele is afraid let him start looking for another job.twanakanenu!!!!!!
Katele should immediately stop stupid skirmishes. The simple fact why MMD is avoiding the coming by-election is that they have information they are headed for a big loss. What about the assurance already made by the Justice Minister that the law will be followed as stated in the constitution because the MMD is a government of laws which was subsequently echoed by Mulongoti? I urge the unmentioned opposition parties not to be part of this deal or they risk going into oblivion. This whole deal stinks.
what is happening in Zambia
All that LPM stood for is poised to go down the drain. Wasnt it a few days back that we all were in full praise of how far he brought us, now look at the vultures threatening to bring back to the days of thuggery and mayhem. Chiluba’s days are gonna be beck if we just sit there and watch as these thugs plunge us back to a disorderly life.
The Post: Levy thanks those who mourned him”. LOL these guys have gone mad with their levy.
Ba katele u so backwards.you and your fellow thieves want to do a day light robbery,echo ba VJ babwelele.Mulefwaya mukabikepo ba RB so that mulebomfya ama mouse yalya mwakwete ku chiengi to control him!This will not happen and it should stick in your head.
Elections have to be held according to the provisions of the Republican Constitution,this is the law.Where is LAZ?Thought they had already issued a comprehensive statement on this?Please ,twapapata,what will make us different from Zimbabawe if we flout constitutional provisions?Natina!
If the elections should be suspended, then the one who was second in 2006 general elections should take ove. Therefore Mr. Sata should be President. However, if MMD does not want elections hoping that the opposition will agree to just handpick a president from MMD to become the Republica President, then thats impossible. If MMD is not ready, let them rest until 2011. VIVA Sata
135, I second your motion. #2 from the previous election takes over or honor the constitution. Elections after 90 days.
#132, The Post is a useless newspaper.
you guys we only have 2 yrs before 2011. mind u this is september,meaning 2008 is gone n we count 2009. who would develop what within 2 yrs. wake up men n save the 400 billion for other things. just imagine that money channelled to build a modern stadium. wouldnt that be good. afterall the same RB would win come elections.
#138. You are so stupid. Whats makes you think the K400b is not there? If these fulls can award them such huge salaries and allowance, it means there is more money in the trunk. So if you are one of them, u are stupid and don’t deserve to be Zambian. The fact is that we don’t want MMD anymore. Let other parties rule Zambia as well whether PF or UPND.
Pragmatist, mwana, you have been silent. Tell us the data as you seem well vested in political staff. Ever since Maureen’s name has been in the air waves, you have sunk so deep that i cant get your view.
Otherwise, MMD is instead the SINKING TITANIC
Hey, for those who have access to this shinda paper called post office, have they gone mad now? i bet mmembe is dreaming.
moto moto wayaka moto wayaka moto wayaka. kang’ambika mu MMD, lelo nilelo ti zaona.
to have a one on one discussion with you regarding what i read here.
KATELE DON’T BE STUPID ! DON’T TRY TO CON THE ZAMBIAN PEOPLE!! THE MONEY IS THERE AND THE RULE OF LAW MUST PREVAIL. THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT AND IF YOUR ATTORNEY GENERALA ND MINISTER OF JUSTICE AND THE CHIEF JUSTICE HAVE ANY INTEGRITY, THEY WILL MAKE THE NECESSARY ANNOUNCEMENT UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THAT THE ELECTIONS MUST GO AHEAD IN 90 DAYS. CUT YOUR RECENT HUGE SALARY HIKES -IT’S TIME YOU MPS AND MINISTERS ALSO SACRIFICED FOR YOUR BELOVED COUNTRY !
EH, NAVOKA MWAMONA !
Don’t copy Zimbabwe’s manners. Follow the rules of the game. By-elections after 90 days. Maybe that’s why you failed your grade 7 examinations!
Now i am begining to think levy died the very day he was air lifted to france. Maureen mourned and may be thats why she has been extraordinarily strong as though te mukamfwilwa. remember mike rose up to tell sata that he cant go to paris. bishop mpombo said no to the pictures, mambo said no to revealing the medical bill. so this could have been the time they were embalming him for the rigorous tour the body made around zambia.
General Tembo said two weeks before Dr. Mwanawasa left for Egypt he asked him whether he had any knowledge on some people who are calling themselves preferred candidates.
General Tembo said he told Dr. Mwanawasa some of the things he knew about people calling themselves preferred candidates.
He said the late President was not happy and indicated that he would make reshuffles in his government upon returning home from the African Union Summit in Egypt.
I am so digusted at the thot of a man like katele, didnt think that he so dull, wen they say not all age comes with wiseness, thats a case exampie. How can man stoop so low. Evn the former 1st lady is campagnin nd he issues such a gross error statement. Zambia is a circus, too much bwetu bwetu. Its hightime mmd sits down & chose a real spokesperson,2much chilande lande. othas shud air their view in the toilet
dada mom im sending air tickets for yall.. coz this is civil war waiting to start!!!! lord help us!
Katele is out of Job with the new govt. We all remember when he knelt down to LPM.
When have they been talking to the opposition when burial was yesterday?
What a joke !
#148.’bwetu,bwetu’, ala,you’ve made my day!Hilarious!Pali ma jokes ba Zed.Titamba monga film show…
#148 dolla bill… you r 100% right my friend im with you on that….RB and Mpombo were crying at church for what? theses guys new.. so our prayers were of no help ….ha ha alifogali neva neva sorry lol shame on u mmd shame on u shame!!!
Why is MMD discussing with the opposition political parties to avoid the bye election? Katele thinks Zambia is for politicians. Zambia is for the Zambian people. He overlooks the major stakeholders in this issue which are the Zambian people, choosing instead to engage a minority group like opposition parties. A party that will listen to this nonsense puts it on the record in black and white that all they care about is themselves as politicians and not Zambians (ofcourse we know this truth, but it will be too blunt). I have heard alot of nonsense in my life, but this is one of the worst kind. We as Zambians declare this day that we shall uphold the constitution.
YES #153 IM READY FOR WAR!!!!
What is all this talk about? Come sun come rain, we should hold elections! The Constitution is there to guide us. I agree with people that are saying the Constitution must be upheld. Just a few days ago they were saying the by-elections will be financed from the 2008 budget. Now what is this that Katele is talking about? 400 billion Kwacha is nothing if it’s going for a good cause.
What can I do, my family is still in Zembia. I need them here.
Did the Movement of Mass Distruction over spend the money that was supposed to be used for the by election by flying LPM all over the scene?Once overheard that the British gov´t was gonna help out for this by elections process.Shame on the opposition parties that are hlding this talks with the MMD behind closed doors.This shows how power hungry pipo are.Lets wait and see!!!!!!!!!!
What is there to discuss? This is a straight forward case
And just who the hell does Katele think he is? Can’t he reason, he was minister but he is a cadre, elyo nai we George Mpombo walefukama, bushe nomba wa kula fukamina RB
Which political parties is katele talking to I wonder? UNIP? I don’t think Sata of HH can agree to this nonsense.
i dont agree with katele,what is the fear?that the opposition may win?katele and your minions we are tired of your tricks,have you started lobbying for a job indirectly from RB?
levy was a man who followed the law,let us cheerish Levy’s memory by following the laws that we ourselves made,not ignoring the laws to suit our hidden,selfish ambitions,
if my memory serves me right Britain pledged to help fund the by election,why is it an issue to Katele now?
is he going to fund the elections from his pocket or what is the interest here?PLIZ somebody help me answer these questions.
am sick and tired of pipo like Katele.
thats cool
Zambia is expected to hold a presidential by-election following the death of president Mwanawasa on August 19.
According to the republican constitution, the country is supposed to hold a by-election 90 days after the demise of a sitting president.
The MMD is talking to various political parties to find ways of avoiding a presidential by-election.
Why are we contradicting ourselves? Lord have mercy on mother Zambia..
Whic parties is he talking to??????
His not thinking correctly. forgive him people. MAybe cos he himself has beening smartly blocked from standing. Electroal commission please go ahead with your preparations for the byelection. The constitution is in control here not political parties.
NOW THE CIRCUS IS UNFOLDING.ONE THING KATOLOSHI SHOULD KNOW IS THAT A
NATION IS NOT ABOUT ONE PERSON TO RULE.ZAMBIA IS NOT RULED BY A KING
AND YOU POLITICIANS SHOULD LEARN TO ACCEPT THE REALITY OF DEATH.TIME
HAS COME AGAIN TO SPEND AS YOU DID WHEN GOING AROUND THE COUNTRY
GIVING EVERY ZAMBIAN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAY THEIR LAST RESPECT TO THE LATE LPM.THIS EXPENSE WILL BE JUSTIFIED AND WILL HAVE A BLESSING OF THE CONSTITUTION.GO ON KATOLOSHI LET THE REIGN OF GO TO WHO EVER WILL WIN.
If i had a way i would put Sata there, he messes up in a year i remove and put HH. The MMD is a pain i tell you. Alla?
KATELE,MULONGOTI,TETA,MWABETOOLE BAFIKAALA.
#168. Please not insele. Ala bonse natufulwa lelo lets not insult because this is a public site.
this is embarassing..we dont need to compliacte this issue any further..the constitution is our guide and I see no reason y we should part from it…I pray God gives us wisdom as we move on as a nation…..
This…thing thinks she is the leader of this nation maureen you were just married to lpm.The manufactured WILL for the nation is not on,the WILL for your family is your family not us.We’re in a computer age zed is not a company to leave a WILL, you can easily make a tape, What levy said 3years ago is past.Just go to darlington Mwape & finish your “marriage” with him.Dont open your mouth & say anything about zed
zowona zowona mpanga mwe
Zambia has an ooportunity now, to show-case the meaning of the rule of law. Any suggestions to change the law to suit the interests of a particular group of people or person, should unreservedly be dismissed with the contempt they deserve. The law could have been changed before LPM passed on – it could also be the subject of the current Constitutional review, but after the Presidential elections have been held. The argument of cost is so lame that it is an affront to right thinking Zambians. We know the aim behind the suggestion of avoiding elections – it is such perverted thoughts that have historically destroyed many a nation.
Money for by-elections could be made available as follows: (1) NCC be suspended; (2)Tax from the mines; (3) the huge sum of money that was earmarked for increase of Cabinet/leaders’ salaries; and (4) I stand to be corrected, didn’t UK indicate that they would help fund the by-elections?
thtas true such situations could easily deterirate into another Zimababwe situ..we are treading on fragile ground…
Mugabe will laugh at us if these people go with their selfish idea of not having elections.
Katele thats not your money or MMD.You same guys told us that money for LPM’S burial and for the by elections was there.you have just developed cold feets now that the burial is over.we are not part and parcel of splitting your own party guys,just know that the by elections should go on.let us be serious guy not just dreaming about your gains at the end of it.
We are a democracy and we should be led by the constitution. As Zambians we should not let such actions be allowed as it would be going back into the UNIP days where the party and its government held the nation with an an iron grip. Abash Katele Kalumba’s ideas and let us go the way of the constitution. Mind you democracy is expensive and not cheap.
Katele please keep silent or forever hold your peace. Twapapata we have been tormented enough let the rule of law prevail. All this nonsense of saying 400billion is a huge sum to spend is bull, we want to go ahead with the elections. ubuloshi bwakupesha, if you have nothing to say to zed people keep your mouth shout and try and get a vacation to hell and rot there, don’t mislead us, we have been very quiet and peaceful as a nation so you MMD chaps should not take us for a ride just becos you want to start stealing. muiyichefye, tatulefwaya ichongo. Katele grow up and get a life.
If ba shikulu ba Katele is saying the truth then i hav the following sugestns: 1. The GOVT shld immediatetly start writing proposals asking 4 funds frm donors. 2. To cut the costs, lets hold election only in urban areas where people are aleady well informed to vote 4 a credible leader. 3. Let the one who came second (Sata) in last election take over. Otherwise the constitution shld be followed hence ku vota bebele !
When will Sata move to state house? He needs to evict that uule in the name of Maureen out of that place? So, now Zimbabwe has a representative as President of Zambia? Fools, I don’t see were it says Rupiah switched Citizenship. Remember Zambia does not support dual citizenship. KK killed our nation with people like Milner, Chigaga, Isdor Mundunganyi, and Rupiah. Chiluba used Yoyo.
UNIP cannot participate in these elections because they know that they have RB in the race already
I think the spirit in which this was said was more to save funds than not having the budget at all. It is estimated that the elections will cost 3-4 hundred billion, if the opposition agree, which should be conditional on who the MMD think can be the President, not RB, I would prefer spending 400 billion than lose trillions as a result of this incompetent being in Government.
Why did LPM leave such an open will ? Signed in the presence of his secretaries and to be televised?
I think he did not trust his next of kin!!
We don’t need to use our monies for the elections, Britain has confirmed to pay part of the bill. We can also ask (as we always do) other ‘donors’ to bail us here. Donors are always willing to propagate democracy.
since Sata came second during last elections , let him take over the post to avoid wasting money , Katele good thinking
lelo lelo… Katele!!
Zambians, Katele is not a factor in this discussion, he is a nobody and should not waste peoples time
What is that Katele now. The best option for this nation is to declare Hon. SATA as president because he was second in the last elections. RP has no mandate from the people of Zambia so don’t dare think of him. That’s my advice to Mr Katele. However, whatever option will be taken SATA is going to plot one.
By December 2008 he will compel Zambian Airways to settle the $1.6 billion debt owed NAC. And will see the down fall of The Paper that digs diper.
VIVA SATA…VIVA PF
Figo walasa which is very true.
viva Sata!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Katele Stop the rubish.If there is money for salary increments for chaps who just dorse in parliament then there must be money for the presidential bye-election which is in the interest of the nation. We don’t want double standards. We have had parliamentary bye-elections barely six monthly to a general elections. So whats wrong with this one. Is it because it does not suit the MMD? Come on guys. This is an insult of our inteligency.
Bollocks man! What else is to be changed because it is too expensive!? General elections every 5 years? The elections must go on.
It is not up to political parties to decide to do away with provisions of the constitution. This is the peoples prerogative.
LPM championed the rule of Law. The constitution MUST be adhered to and upheld without resevation at all times. Therefore this so called ‘talking’ to other parties is a non-starter and is tantamount to breaching the constitution. Let us do as a the Our Law stipulates. We are talking about democracy here, though it may manifest in different flavours. VIA ELECTIONS!!!
Ukutumpa
i think Katele has lost it. Why do we always wnat to take short cuts. Let the rule of law take its course. I know it’s expensive to run the elections but it much better than taking a short cut. That’s what happens when you have corrupt leaders the think corruptly….
However the case, whatever the case nothing of that sort should be allowed to happen. Discussion with stakeholders? Who are those stakeholders? Ama major stakeholders nifwebo fwe ma citizens. And we are saying we want elections because we have had enough contributions (taxes) that can finance a by-election.
So tupelenifye icesu
I think people should respect the consititution. Why should Katele and his minion just wake up and say we want to cancel the bye-election? Is it the MMD as a party that is going to fund the elections? I can smel something here.
it’s better to spend 400 billion than putting plunders in power so that they get more that at the end of the term… and fail to improve the economy..
we are going ahead with the elections, you are just showing how much the MMD doesn’t consider our constitution…Katele are you going to agree giving power to PF, UPND,FDD,HP,UNIP or any other party?
CHRIST come quickly there is danger pa Zedi, come Lord JESUS the light is dying and the night keep crying. Lesa sotwafwe Bakatele balengashya ubufumu bwamuchalo. Pasopo Lesa tafwaya!
Is it true that we need 400bn?or the figure is mearnt to deflect us from real constitutional issues and allow MMD to go un oppossed?please help!!!
What about due process? Where are the brains for these pipo? Costly yes, but it must be done by the book if the democracy we sing about is to prevail. Instead of pocketing taxpayers money, they should have been saving for such eventualities.
I have said it and I will say it again – strategic planning is cardinal to organising intended action in any given situation.
Baka Tele,I am sure they know that i will be difficult for them to win the elections,so the best is to use some negotiation principle so that they can still have some power in Government.Infact,he is lying indeed>whre are they going to get the money for thier new increaments?
He thinks we are easily decieved!No way Bye-lections must go on.
Opposition plse dont even bother to listen to that wizard katele.
Follow the constitution YOU UNRITUAL WIZARD WITCH EXPERT KATELE
Dont take zambians for granted.
OPPositions step up and take over
In the long run what will be cheaper, spending 400 Billion now or ignoring the constitution?
The whole world is watching, and expectations are high. We are already begining to show that all is not well. Lets not just open our mouths carelesly.
It is true that the 400 billion would be better spent on more needy development activities in the country. But the question that begs an answer is, will the lives of poor zambians be any better if the 400bn is spared and no elections are held? Probably not. In addition, the donor community has expressed interest in funding the by-election. We do not want to set a precedence of disobeying the constitution where never it fails to suit our needs; this law of the land was put in place for a reason. Annointing RB as president without an election is not any different from accepting that levy annointing magande. A president in zambia is elected, not appointed by a few elite.
what if we tell you that we want change and the plunderes should go?what story are you going to tell us?don’t play with us soliano….your black magic won’t scare us now!!tell the chaps in Chiengi that not us!
Spend the last penny in the govt coffers if thats what it takes and allow the Zambian pipo choose their next president. Instead of enriching yourselves, you should have saved for the rainy day. Too bad the floods are neck deep. Do not deny us our right of franchise.
Katele! Walepa kumishenu! The entire central province wants by-election elections. When we were giving suggestion on the constitution……
please Katele go to hell and come back after u raise K 400 for election.
If MMD as a party is not ready for the election then tough luck, other parties are ready and the state governed by laws is ready too. As for UNIP not being ready, it is a well known fact without consenquencies. With due respect to you liberation party UNIP, we ask you to keep resting and keep quite. You ruled for 27 years.It is time for others also.Dont confuse progressive law abiding Zambians. We are ready to observe and abide by the law.It is a government of laws and not by scattered sheep whose leader did not allow for a party vice president.Each of them is just openning their mouth randomly.
These people had money to increase there salaries but have non for elections. Where has it gone now?
Thus not feasible,constitutional lawyers its time to advise do not let politicians medle in that which you know better.This is supposed to be a Government of laws or is it gone with Levy?Is it a question of sour grapes for the Kateles since the Corruption cases cannot permit them to aspire for presidence?ukufilila munsenga?lets be serious with constitution,such suggestions are anarchy based.If in future we learn the lessons that way then lets amend the constitution to work out that way,MMD always thinnks the constitution is and should favour them this time doesnt look to hence the panicking and dribling.Good luck MMD as you choose your Presidential candidate is it today?
Post is complaining in thier editorial. Post, are you capitalists or socialists.
$4million dollars turnover, failing to pay $1.6 million debt to a struggling parastatal. Are you not selffish.
First pay your debts and come out clean. Then we will listen to you.
There must be something for you if Magande and the Family Tree bounce back. Stop treating the Zambian people like your children.
When was the Post ordained as the crusader of morals in this country. Can someone post pictures of that ordination.
Katele talk for your party and not for the govt. Since when did you start talking on behalf of the govt. We can even sell state house to raise money.
Well, if you say that a by election should not be held and for the record that will be in conflict with the republican constitution which mandates for a presidential by-election to be held 90 days after the death of the president then better get the runner up in the previous election and i believe that is Mr. Sata. What do you say to that?
Smart Chap you always seem to know a thing of two thats beneficial to this media. Why is the post so panic striken all of a sudden have they struck an ice burg? This is what happens when people drift from thier core duty on enlightenment to seeking personnal ambitions in return for financial gain. The paper has now lost its relevance atleast to those who can read between the lines. M’embe and associates plus magande brace your self for the coming 3 months as am sure you are already sweating what more in November when your necks will be on the line. We say no to greedy people of which these two camps are no exception
This is utter nonsense.No one is above the rule of law!!!!!!
i wish Katele Kalumba was a child who wishes to be politician when he grows up and make changes to the constitution. Katele has been a politician for so many years, he can not tell us that it will be expensive when the same constitution has been there for so many years and he knows what is written in a constitution.if at all he does not have a dictionary or an encyclopedia to help him understand the meaning of constitution kindly may somebody explain to him what the term constitution mean.
# 186 you are right. But do think they agree to that? Katele has a lot of Selfish ambitions in this matter.Dear peaceful Zambians lets not allow to be tricked with their monkey styles.
No wonder they say politics are date games. why having a constitution if can not abide to what it says. Guys lets be serious and stop playing games by amending the constitution only to suit a few people.
WHERE IS MR. SATA? HE IS EXTREMELY QUITE WHEN HIS OPINION IS NEEDED THE MOST. CHONGWE HAS RULED HIM OFF AND HE IS NOT REACTING, THIS IS NOT THE SATA WE KNOW! HOPE HAS HASN’T BEEN BLACKED OUT BY OUR JOURNALISTS!
I THINK KALUMBA IS RIGHT.PEOPLE HAVE POWER OVER THE CONSTITUTION
PROVIDED ITS IN THE INTEREST OF THE NATION AND AGREED UPON.
THE OPOSITION CAN WAIT AND GO FOR THE NORMAL PLAN OF 2011.
WE NEED THE MONEY AND CONTINUETY.NOT STARTING AFRESH.
These guys are just scared of losing the election.
Abash MMD your time to pack and go has come.
Pave the way for sata to rule
It appears most of the bloggers may have missed the point here! I think what is being suggested here is that MMD together with the opposition should find a candidate by way of compromise, who is acceptable to all parties. Such a candidate would then be fielded as the sole candidate so that he may go through un oppossed and thereby avoiding a by election! This is what i believe Katele was trying to suggest
It’s a good thing the article begins “MMD discussing with Opposition…” It doesn’t say ‘Government discussing with Opposition’
Anyone can discuss this, for example ‘UPND discussing with UNIP’. You can discuss all you like Katele Kat0le Kalumba.
But at the end of the day the constitution will rule and you’ll be a jobless witchdoctor. It’s now evident that MMD is dead. Maybe you should have thought about this before you bewitched Levy.
Katele is a tortoise.
#227 whichever you look at it! it is still wrong and corrupt. the is no justification corrupt practices no matter how good the look
donors already expressed their interest to help fund the whole by election.even b4 the lpm was buried so whats the fuss???
225 Masauso Mpika you are a dull and ignorant fool. We need the money, you think they’ll save it and give it to you? Has your district changed in anyway in the last 17 years of MMD rule?
#227 whichever way you look at it! it is still wrong and corrupt. there is no justification for corrupt practices no matter how good they look
#227 What grade are you?
Shame. One minute boasting about our economic “miracle policies” and then… ah but please boss we don’t have money. That’s why these guys have to go. ASAP.
there is no way Mr Kalumba can discuss that with the opposition. its not time for discussions please we want to excercise our right to vote for Zambia`s next president according to the constitution.
By-election, which oposition party is ready for it. Are we not waisting money.Oposition , surport the idear and keep your
resources for 2011.
The last time I checked, facts on the ground were that the vacant position was for the Republican President’s office and coincidentally MMD has to fill their own party president vacancy as well. Surely, what makes Katele so sure this by-election is controlled by MMD so much that he has given himself powers to negotiate with the opposition over an un-constitutional issue of aborting the by-elections. Ironical that he feels he can dribble his way through until 2011. He wants RB to form government of national unity as he wrestles power as Party President to give himself an automatic ticket for 2011. MMD watch this man.
What we stand for now and later is the rule of law and not of tuma chaps like Katele and his croonies who have now realised whats at stake (ba MMD ba letutuma). It is the will of the pipo and by the pipo that Elections should and must take place as is embedded in the constitution article 38(1) and 38(2) of the constitution of Zambia. This law is be extended to the issue of who ever was to succeed him should be ELECTED….The Constitution is the only tool we the citizen have and such should be followed by these tuma blind chaps.
All those saying that we should avoid elections only if it is agreed that Sata be the president due to the fact that he was 2nd in 2006 must be just as demented as Katele.
UPHOLD OUR CONSISTITUTION PERIOD!
Besides things have changed – Sata was not sick in 2006!
#227 Sept24,
It appears you are one of the few bloggers that have missed Katele’s point. The point is that political parties do not choose the president for the people of Zambia. It is the Zambian people that choose their president as provided for in our constitution. That is the Zambian democracy that most bloggers here understand. The issue of money does not arise because the Zambian government assured the people that money for the presidential elections is there. So Katele does not want that money to be spent, while government is ready to spend it. Britain and United Nations something have promised to fund the elections. Radio phoenix programme has just confirmed that money is there.
MMD waitayaaa!! RB was born in Southern Rhodesia in Gweru district. He first came to Northern Rhodesia to live with his uncle who was working in Chipata boma as a tea man for the DC at the age of 10.
Is this the man you want to put into state house, Zambians?? This man is also a child defiler. He is currently aged 71 whilst is sweet wife is aged 29. A gap of 42 years!! Please Zambians be sensible.
UNIP are not partcipating bcos they surely know that RB is their own man. KK has now started frequenting state house. The hour has gone for MMD. Viva Sata and HH!! Please form an alliance you two gentlemen.
Judas iscariot indeed!! Who is selling the country for 1.6million USD? Stupid Post!!!!
The UNIP party is not participating because they already have RB…….
What goes round comes round,a few weeks ago people and opposition
parties were parading themselves to broke the Ministers Salary increaments which was only 20billion to that effect.
Now on this one 400billion what is your choice? 2011 is two years from now.
Katele shed more light on how this 400billion can be spent if it was reserved.
Ati masebela bati.. the law says 90days after demise of the sitting president and therefore 90days it should be. how about the huge sums of monies they were proposing to pay themselves and now that it suits them, they should mention figures to us. Democracy should prevail and not for the benefit of the MMD only..Get real Dr. Kalumba
If Zambia were to decide not to hold the presidential by-election, it would not necessarily be side-stepping the constitution. The likley scenerio would be that the parties that are interested in fielding candiates would agree on only one candidate from one party to file his/her nomination papers.The rest from other parties would not. Such a one would then be declared unopposed by the learned chief Justice. There would then be no need for the elections. Shete, you are right that it is the parties to hold such discussions and not the government. It is the parties afterall that field presidential candidates. I hope this is helpful, to people like huh? pardon whose brain appear to be stressed!!
Its high time we have change in this country. At the same time let us make sure that the people sitting on the NCC should look closely at these clauses of bye-elections. Let the elections be held only every 5 years to cut down on costs. This can only be so when we can uphold to the rule of law by having a constitution that can stand the test of time. Come 2011 the new constitution should be ready and understood by the people of Zambia as they go to the polls in 2011.
COUNTRY MEN AND WOMEN OF ZAMBIA-MWEBEKALACHALO ICHESU CHAKU ZAMBIA. LET STANDARD UP AND BE COUNTED AND UP HOLD THE CONSTITUTION OF ZAMBIA AND OUR RIGHT TO VOTE FOR A NEW PRESIDENT . IT IS THE STRICT CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT THAT THE HOLDER OF OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF ZAMBIA SHOULD AT AT ALL TIMESBE POPULARLY ELECTED PERIOD. LETS SHOW THE WORLD THAT THE PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA KNOW THEIR CONSITITIONAL RIGHT TO LECT A PRESIDENT IN A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION! AND BE PROUD TO BE A ZAMBIAN. THEN WE WILL BE RESPECTED AS A PEOPLE. IT IS BETTER TO BE POOR AND BE RESPECTED AS A TRUE DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY. DONT PAY ATTENTION TO KATELE HE MAY START TO FEEL GREAT !!
iwe katele wats up kasi? you think nkani ya ma election ili kwati ya damange kuti ti zakabelana? let the pipo Vote for who they wat period.Are u going 2use your money? this why they pay tax not castle its not your money iwe.
The constitution is the supreme law of the country and as such must be followed to the latter.If i can recall tha british govt and the germany govt have both pledged to sponsor the elections.If anything elections are always sponsored ,what is kateles fear?
Who is Katele to deal with such a serious matter. Give the people of Zambia to decide not {callboys} party cadres.
Who is Katele to address the nation. Are we MMD party cadres?
Who can tell me which possition is Katele in govt to have influence over such seriuos matters.
All those saying that we should avoid elections only if it is agreed that Sata be the president due to the fact that he was 2nd in 2006 must be just as demented as Katele.
UPHOLD OUR CONSISTITUTION PERIOD!
katele you are sick in mind ask GEORGE KUNDA he will write it for you in bemba . VIVA PF VIVA SATA.
BALETINA UBWATO THIS TIME NO WINDY TABWABUNDE EMO TULI
NI PABWATO CHABE .
SATA FOR PLOT ONE RB FOR KALIKILIKI /MAGANDE GWEMBEHAS FOR HH TRY 2011 ULIMWAICHE OR ELSE JOIN US IN THE BOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
katele what are you saying?donnt think all zambians are MMD cadres.we want a God given wise leader like Levy and not to be led by an old UNIP cadre who doesnt know the problem of zambians in rural areas.zambians are saying NO NO NO NO NO NO.mind you thats your idea and not everyone’s.
why does he MMD want the country not to have a bye election? when they were putting up that constitution didnt they take into account all those matters? if yes then gvt must have provided for that!! so shut up over bragging about 400 billion! MMD has just been caught unaware so they can see themselves failling this time. remember that you are setting a precedent not only on the bye election but on any part of the constitution.IT CAN BE NEGOTIATED!
LET MAGANDE STAND AND PLIZ LET HH STAND SO THAT THEY SHARE SOUTHERN PROVINCE .
RB KUCHIPATA YOU SHARE WITH UNIP
BUT HERE IN SOLWEZI WE ARE IN THE BOAT TO STATE HOUSE
KATELE NIPWA JOBU (CHARCOAL BURNER WANTED ) QUALIFICFATION FORMER MINISTER OR ATLEAST A NATIONAL SEC.
SATA ITS ALL YOURS BIG MAN WE ARE BEHIND YOU
SATA IS BULONGO
ketele this could be the end of you and all those which were appointed.just step down so that u dont look a very unwise doctor.No JUJU this time.A ballot must be used.
Ba Katele you are off side. No one can supercede this requirement by Law. Muno mu Zambia bushe chili shani Zoo Gungle type of operating…………..
Its quite funny that Katele now wants to save money. After plundering our resources he is suddenly concerned about Zambia financial constraints? Why didnt you advise kafupi and your coleagues that Zambia could not affort to loose money to you selfish people? Katele ulinashuwa?!!!!!
How do you come to us today and claim you have no money Katele? are you in charge of the national treasury to talk about the national money?. What we know is that Zambia is enyoying economic boom. We know pretty well that you are just afraid of Sata/HH alliance. The hour has come for change as it were in 1991.Since LPM is gone no one can fit into his shoes. This fact you have demontrated it by having 17+ aspirants each wanting to become MMD president. It shows you do not trust each other and you fail to weigh yourselves. Bye bye MMD.
It seems to me the MMD are scared of this by-election…. What cost when the western world has offered to fund the elections. Ladies and gents let us follow what our constitution tells us…… Katele cut the crap!!!!
Discussing alternatives is uncalled for.
Unless alternatives were provided for within our costitution, it will be very wrong to seek alternatives outside the constitution.
We are a young democracy which must be guarded jealously.
The future of Zambia is not only for politicians, it is for all of us and our children.
We can not afford to kill the germinating democracy by looking at lame options when such options are not provided for.
They want to behave like the Post Newspaper who are trying to promote Monarchy Shamelessly. Just because Mmembe and Magande have interest in the strugling, liquidless Zambian Airways.
We should not allow politicians to think they own Zambia alone.
We are in the Zoo Just the other Day we heard of anointing of Magande now we are hearing about alternatives being offered by Katele to for the bye election and these are very well educated people saying or talking such crap
Friends, the 400 billion that the MMD want to save will still dissappear by the end of the year and there will be no developmental project to show for it. Therefore, let us spend it on something that we can all see-the Presidential bye-election. Lets not be cheated that the MMD want to avoid the election to save money, its to save their hold on power, because, believe u me, thay are packing this time around. Its time up for them too. Thank GOD their hour has trully come at last.
that guy who said that one of the opposition leaders was discharged from the clinic is a wrong person.pipo dont tell lies micheal is very fit and he is the next president whether u like or not.if u are not in Pf then u are nort in zambia be real sata wil win with much easy just wait and see
Zambians – we should not allow this. The constitution is very clear and the time period is within what transpires during any general election. And by the way the British have offered to fund the by election so what is Katele talking about. If they can’t choose a candidate that is their own funeral. The by election must go on with or without an MMD candidate – period.
What is the breakdown of the K400 billion? How much of it is going into allowances? Please give us that breakdown or else lets suspend the NCC to redirect the monies to this election.
HEY ba ketele this could be the end of you and all those which were appointed.just step down so that u dont look a very unwise doctor.No JUJU this time.A ballot must be used.
MMD IS GONE WITH LPM AT EMBASSY PARK
ABANA BALA BALA NIPABWATO CHABE
SATA FOR PLOT PRESIDENT
KATELE THIS IS NO ZIM ZIM DOC?
Could someone please tell me which school of politics these thugs go to? We might blaming them while its their lecturers who are to blame.
yeah viva the constitution of Zambia. bravo to you all!
In as much as the election might prove expensive, i still feel that the country has to proceed with the elections as a democratic dispensation process. My only worry is the upholding of Levy’s legacy(fight against corruption, respect of the rule of law and above all, addressing the high poverty levels in the country) by whoever will be elected president. A lot has been said about this though political vultures seem to be taking centre stage as they try to find ways of taking over government with their insatiable appetite for political power. My caution to them is that will not sit idle and see them misuse/loot public funds. Levy has told us the importance of safeguarding public property!!
I thought I read in the earlier articles that the British Government was willing or had offered to fund the By-Elections. Is it the money problem or there is pandemonium in the MMD camp?
can Katele get real. money can be found just as they have found money to pay themselves hefty salaries and gratuities. its now go go forward no more going back. 90 days it is just as the law has stated…we want a new president by the end of 90 days.go go forward bane…
Mimi you are stupid if you think RB is a headless chicken then you are also a chicken coz you are being lead by one
viva the law of the land
See, they are already disregarding the rule of Law” to protect their interests. What does the constitution say, iwe Katele ka nkoko?
I would like to support junior Dr.KK for once.It was thoughtful of him to come up with such a proposal.I don’t think from our budget we can manage to folk out 400 Billion plus on this exercise.I urge all presidential hopeful to dialogue and find a better alternative.
My fellow Zambians! lets be careful with cheap politics of Katele and the postnewspaper.
Only when a new leadership is voted in shall we see how much corruption was coverd up. For now it is all praises. People will only talk when they know they will not be in trouble should they speak out. No body knew Chiluba’s doings until the new deal unveilled things.These guys in the Newdeal MMD want to cover themselves. Therefore dont trust them. they are all the same whether RB or Magande.
Lets follow the constitution please.Twaumfwana
There is a cost for every change. Just find the money. We know all things are possible. How many parliamentary by elections have we had so far?why have we not been letting the respective party to simply nominate a new MP?Only when a new leadership is voted in shall we see how much corruption was coverd up. For now it is all praises. People will only talk when they know they will not be in trouble should they speak out. No body knew Chiluba’s doings until the new deal unveilled things.These guys in the Newdeal MMD want to cover themselves. Therefore dont trust them. they are all the same whether RB or Magande.
Katele is totaly nuts!
The constitution is very clear on the matter and does not give altanatives.
Besides who the hel is he trying to fool when the british govnmt plus other donnors have already pledged to fund the by-election.
Fellow countrymen and women this support for RB by all the Bad MMD elements leaves much to be desired.
WHATCH OUT THE WOLVES HAVE AWAKEN!
money is not the issue here, but as well it depends on the canddate MMD will give us .its you people in NEC who will make the country loose alot of money if you impose someone to the people of Zambia. go out and find what people want before you make a mistake.do not choose a successor on impulse.remember you will account for our monies if misused.
NO 7. YOU FOGOT KEN NGONDO
After wasting billions on parading a copse around the country, they now say it is too expensive to run an election?
Please ba Katele no witch craft,this is not Chiengi constituancy!Ba VJ twapapata stay away so that for once we can have free and fair elections!
I don’t care whether its RB, Magande, Ba Sata or HH who will rule for the next three years as long as you let us choose our leader democratically.
MUZO U YOURSELF U ARE STUPID AND NOT MIMI
YOU THINK RB CAN BE A PRESIDENT YOU ARE BOTH SICK
VIVA BAPWATO
CAN RB STAND SATA’s PRESSURE POLITICALLY WAIT FOR HIM TO SPEAK.
VIVA SATA VIVA PABWATO.
PF IN POWER CAME NOVEMBER
Katele don’t be silly!The cost involved will not cum from your father’s pocket. MMD has overstayed and it is time to go.RB will be using Govt. resources such as Air force, DMU, State funeral fund with BOZ, GRZ to campaign.RB has no balls for the job Mukuma is very dull to suggest his ignorance on air, please if u nothing stay at the ministry of labour and feel important. your suggestion sucks.Mulongoti is a puppet and a jobseek.Sata and HH won’t buy that stupid idea. Katele go to hell.
iye
WE HAVE LITTLE BRAINS.JUST GET RID OF MMD.SAME OLD RUBBISH,SAME OLD STORIES,AFRICA.
JSLK
Ba katele you must be joking. we are definately going ahead with the elections.
DEAREST LUSAKA TIMES COMMENTATOR OF KATELE KALUMBA AND ISSUES OF UPHOLDING OUR ZAMBIAN CONSTITUTION, IAM VERY HAPPY ABOUT YOUR LOVE OF MOTHER ZAMBIA. CAN WE ALL DO SOMETHING TO EDUCATE ALL THE MASSES IN RURAL AREAS AND COMPOUNDS ABOUT THESE ISSUES BEFORE THEY ARE POLUTED BY THE LIKES OF KATELE KALUMBA AND MMD CADRES TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM VOTING THE CANDIDATE OF THEIR CHOICE IN THE UP COMING BY ELECTION. IF WE ALL HAD POWER AND MONEY AS A CIVIL SOCIETY WE SHOULD HAVE DONATED MONEY TO PRINT PAPERS AND SET UP LOCAL RURAL RADIO STATIONS SUPPLY RADIOS TO THE RURAL AND COMPOUNDS TO EDUCATE THE MASSES IN ZAMBIA ON THIR RIGHTS& ISSUES AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE
I’m sorry but that’s rubbish, and who gave him or MMD the rite to say such…..and you know Zambia doesnt have to pay attention to what MMD thinks, we have to pay attention to what the majority think and the majority are of the opinion that we should follow what our constitution says, this is what makes us a sovereign nation. If we are truly worth our salt, such comments should not be entertained. Zambia for Zambians!!!
When is Maureen supposed to leave the State House?
Will it be after the period of national mourning?
Is it after the presidential by-elections?
When?
Don’t get me wrong here, I have got a heart.
Just don’t want to hear some “emotional” politicians telling us that she can stay there as long as she wants.
How can MMD allow a wicked wizard to organis elections for the party
Let us do away with this presidential by election because it’s result is obvious. MMD with RP as it’s candidate will win the election by a landslide vote. The opposition must just stay away from the presidential nomination in order to save money for 2011 campaigns. Sata, Hakainde,Magande,Maureen or Costern will never rule Zambia.
WE NEED REAL CHANGE THROUGH ELECTION NOT WHERE PLUNDERS WANT TO REAP OUR WEALTH.PLEASE YOUTH HH HERE HE COMES TO LIBERATE US TO CREATE MORE JOBS FOR US NOT WHERE RB WANTS TO CREATE MORE WEALTHY FOR THOSE WHO ALREADY PLUNDERS.VOTE HH FOR PLOT ONE.GO HH VIVA HH.
The ECZ last week presented the budget for the forthcoming by-election to the MOFNP, The actual budget is K240billion.
were is Katele getting those abnormal figures? Is he trying to scare pipo?
Further more, UNDP has already already pledged $11.5m which translates to approximately K41.4billion.
CAN SOMEONE TELL KATELE THAT MONEY IS NOT AN ISSUE IN THIS MATTER!
Sata use Levy’s strategy make sure plunderers are sent to jail.start with katele,RB,mulongoti, and let others follow.if u win remember to fire mambilima and Danny kalale
# 24 Its not only Katele but the whole MMD who are so stupid and they are scared of losing the elections because of their differences within the party.Vote them out because they are serious.
Something to help me to get to know you better if you dont mind.
Short and sweet is fine..BE HONEST
1.)Q. Can you cook?
2.)Q. What was your dream growing up?
3.)Q. What talent do you wish you had?
4.)Q. If I bought you a drink what would it be?
5.)Q. Favorite vegetable?
6.)Q. What was the last book you read?
7.)Q. What zodiac sign are you ?
8.)Q. Any Tattoos and/or Piercings?
9.)Q. Worst Habit?
10.)Q. If you saw me walking down the street would you offer me a ride?
11.)Q. What is your favorite sport?
12.)Q. Negative or Optimistic attitude?
13. )Q. What would you do if you were stuck in an elevator with me?
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MMD dont cheat yourselves and you must be short sighted,open up your eyes thugs.RB is UNIP have you forggoten? KK in control again no wonder……….abash
#138 – godwin mutinta, would you like to set a presidence that when it is stated there is no money elections can be cancelled and people agree to put some one chosen for them as a leader, who has chosen RB or who ever MMD will endorse?
this is undemocratic,unacceptable and straight up crap. its not a money issue, its upholding what we have agreed to follow as a people. the constitution must be followed at all times. Am glad most if not all except two agree that we must vote and if the opposition also agrees, then there is no hope for zed! MMD cats just want to rake in the doe for the next 2 years. katele shud think beore opening his mouth not open mouth and think afterwards
#294 I am told the moment the new President is sworn in. I am not sure what constitutional provision this is.
WE NEED REAL CHANGE THROUGH ELECTION NOT WHERE PLUNDERS WANT TO REAP OUR WEALTH.PLEASE YOUTH HH HERE HE COMES TO LIBERATE US TO CREATE MORE JOBS FOR US NOT WHERE RB WANTS TO CREATE MORE WEALTHY FOR THOSE WHO ALREADY PLUNDERS.VOTE HH FOR PLOT ONE.GO HH VIVA HH.PLEASE LETS US NOT DENY UORSELVES BETTER CHANCE TO BE GOVERNED BY THOSE WHO ARE CAPABLE TO BRING GOOD CHANGE TO THE POOR.PLEASE HH IS ABLE TO DELIVER,ALI NAMUTIMA KUBANTU.HH BE VOTED NOW AS BEST SUITED PRESIDENT
In last night’s interview with with Frank, Chekwa brought out a very interesting point, why should the President we Elect in November only rule for 3 years, what if the President had died four months before his term came to an end? Can someone well vested in the Costitution advise?
#298 i agree with you. Money is not the issue. We should not even try to compromise on democratic elections. As clear as it might be to others that with RB, MMD wins the ticket, let us go to the polls and do it the right way….on the off chance that some opposition party might just come in and save us from these plunderers!
Today shall go into history as the day we shall make or break Zambia. It is the day MMD NEC shall elect a replacement of our late LPM.
Is NEC going to be be hijacked by vultures in the names of Teta, Katele, Mbita “Bitter” and the lot, bent on plundering our country’s wealth and morals. Now they are out soliciting opposition parties to forgo presidential by elections! Where are the other arms of power; parliament and judiciary?
Lord help us rid our nation of these vultures, out to seek jobs through RB. The guy who failed even to run the national mourning programme? Who could not stand up against Kaunda’s dictatorship in 1991!
Fellow Zambians be on guard, we’re under ambush!
HH FOR REPUBLICAN PRESIDENCE.HH WE ARE WITH YOU.GO FOR IT HH.PLOT ONE IS FOR HH THIS TIME ROUND.VIVA HH,VIVA HH.YOUARE UNSTOPPABLE.
#301 dont you have anything else to do this is a serious matter. read a book to keep you busy than writing silly staff grow up and act your age and not your shoe size.
It is Levy to blame for all this circus playing out now. The man was a lawyer and he new very well the kind of constitution the people of this country wanted. Starting from the Chona Constitutional Review Commission, Mvunga and the recent Mung’omba one, Zambians have been very consistent with their preferred constitution but politicians like Levy, Chiluba and KK were always just hell bent on manipulating and urinating on our preferred provisions until Levy dies in office leaving us in limbo. We did well to parade his dead arse before the entire country, had he sorted all this mess, we’ll not be in such mess today. SPUDIDITY SUCKS!
Ask me i know who the undisclosed candidate is
#306. Fact is he didn’t die 4 months before and so we gotta find someone to finish the term. We can always revote for them if we feel enough pity for them:-(
#296 Breeze i accidentally gave you a thumbs up. I was supposed to mark the thumbs down because your idea is really retarded and stupidity governs your small brain.
#301 this is not singles.com if i were stuck in an elevator with you i’d stick a vibrator up your black arse biach
i agree with the idea of saving money but if the money wont even benefit the zambian mass then lets just as well uphold the constitution by going on with the elections…i we were promised the money will be used to build bridges or schools i would have said no by-elections..but come on guys even if this money is saved were will it end up…KATELE AND THE BUNCH’S FAT ACCOUNTS..
Further more guys…this idea is due to the fact that MMD have reason to believe that there is a chance of them loosing the elections as they have not have had enough time to rig..as u know the didnt expect LPM(M H S R I P) to die this year,im very sure they were goin to start getting ready next year to rig 2011
We need to have a by-election regardless of cost! The constitution must be upheld, however in future we could explore the UK system where if the PM stands down or dies, his successor is chosen by his party from its elected MPs, i.e. no by-election for PM. Look at what happened when Tony Blair stood down and Gordon Brown took over! The UK is one of most democratic countries in the world and they have a system that avoids such disruptive by-elections because they essentially give a party leader the mandate to rule not an individual. This leads to greater stability. Food for thought fellow Zeds because God forbid this may not be the last time a ruling Pres dies given our low life expectancy
I suspect MMD will use the NCC and parliament to amend the constitution to allow the acting president to finish the unexpired term before 90 days elapse.Majority of NCC members will endorse the proposal, and the opposition members will be either beaten in parliament or bought.
This is for # 296 Breeze, U must be joking!!!
sata where are you?
#311 Sililo Sipatonyana. Learn to have manners, even bad ones are better than having none. You should respect for the dead. O r is it your name manifesting itself. Sipatonyana is a Lozi name which means “Small Duck” and as far as I know, Ducks have very small brains. In short they are very dull and so are you!
The ruling party has received 17 applications for its presidential nomination, including from Mwanawasa’s predecessor, Frederick Chiluba, who is on trial for corruption. Among the other applicants are Banda, finance minister Ng’andu Magande, health minister Brian Chituwo and home affairs minister Ronnie Shikapwasha, as well as Mwanawasa’s former vice-presidents Nevers Mumba and Enoch Kavindele.
from allafrica.com
What a joke. Zambian politicians never cease to amaze the world. I don’t even know a person in their right mind can go and discusss matters like that. Lets respect the law and lets be people of principles that is what keeps counries, governments and societies moving forward.
Ba Katele! twapapata can you shut up and read the contitution again, what is your problem?
Who is the other unannounced MMD Presidential hopefull?
Can someone post the CVs of RB, Sata and HH. forks from other parties seem to know the MMD constitution than that of there own party. if you are not MMD why talk about Magande or RB.give us a break, talk about Sata and Chishimba or HH and whoever.After we nominate our candidate then you can talk about him or her. Can anybody compare the professional CVs or life biographies of the forks mentioned above. i will tell you.. one once served as defacto president of Namibia, the other is a profound consultant and seasoned auditor and of course the last is a market mobiliser. of couse aprt from one all these guys have degrees but thats not important!
katele please can you just keep quiet if you have nothing wise to say,dont engage your mouth before your tongu!even a fool is considered wise if he keeps quiet.dont even think of rigging coz i warn you we are praying and fasting to the Almgihty God to expose pipo like you if you plan to temper with the elections.why do you want to ignore the the constitution now coz it suits you no way,i say elections bring them on.lets not even talk about the money you guys steall that amount is nothing its better we use it for elections rather than a few pipo like you benefiting tufelile munsenga bonse
Katele, dont dare speak for zambians, speak for MMD members and sympathisers. You had a chance to be honourable and you blew it. You are not worthy. leave government business to government. Dont confuse it with MMD.
325 So, ba Engines what’s your main point mwaiche? you’ve given a flat statement. come again?
people you misunderstand democracy it also allows you to look at options that are acceptable to everyone. In this case the man has just said they are consulting whats wrong with that? I think we should have election it will be costly to hold the elections but again what happens to that money if we dont?
They have not made a decision yet so we are all allowed to express an opinion in a sensible manner besides with power hungry Sata i do not see him agree to any of this.
When pipo said politics is a dirty game, i thought it was a joke.
Here we are again at the jaw of a politician.The truth is that these guys are liars and hungry wolves who will never fullfill their words, please WATCH OUT.
ladies and gentlemen lets all rise against such wicked ideals i kno its hard to stand for the truth. but face it that magician does not kno the financial status of zambia how does he declare us incapable of holding elections. Katele dont be fun you are dealing with people mind u these are not the old days where u jus want to chose sum dumb fellow to represent 12 million pipo because of you sili personal interests are u scared of losing u job together with yo group of bena vj en the rest. vj carefull or we will bury u like a dog. viva by election
Magande intends to invest the money in a dual carriage way between Lusaka and Ndola, that is what he proposed yesterday at the PFC forum at Mulungushi.
RB can’t lead the country.Imwe fi MMD,you are the same pipo who want to give yoselves hefty salaries, elo nomba mulande ati we are negotiating na ba opposition, not na ifwe ba PF. by the way do u want RB to marry again maybe Ka Mirriam Mwanawasa becouse he will have money in his Pocket.NOT RB TWAPAPATA. Ka katele, pliz kabiye ku bwendo wa ingilemo lilya twakulufishe!NO laptop this time
VIVA SATA
Wina aza lila!!!! Donch mess around with MMD.
Indeed I agree with “One True One Lsk” that Sililo Sipatonyana has bad manners. Your name suggests that he is Lozi unless it is his nick-name. But real Lozis and indeed the rest of the majority of Zambians do not have such rotten langauge against the dead. LPM meant well. What we need now is to have the presidential by-election and not to wrecklessly apportion blame on our departed Hero.
#331 and the rest
Katele is not finance minister but this information is there for government since he is part of the gov of the day he will have ppl that will make this information availeble to him I not saying i agree with him because i dont and i know for a fact that we will have elections no matter what happens did you even know that this so called pack is aimed at putting Magande at the Helm. Should they go ahead with the so called talks then the president will be Magande and not RB coz he will be Unopposed
This nonsense is all a result of having selfish leaders like Kaunda,Chiluba and of course Mwanawasa who never in their lives ever desired to give Zambians a sensible constitution.LPM with his law was very useless.We should go ahead with the By Election thats what the MMD constitution for the country SAYS!!
Zambians you are a very docile people,easy to be taken for granted am glad am not there!!
I support Katele fully, they should just handover position of State president to Sata, I agree to go through with the election would be costly!
Check my name, am the unannounced candidate.
If they are failing to come up with one candidate as MMD why do they want us to give them for free?. thats nonsense Katele and you know it. you have failed to let one candidate, in the end you have 20 candidates in one party!!! what of when its interparty.
This is exactly what I feared when Mwanawasa’s WILL was not honoured. Precedence was set. Now it is the constitution which is not being respected.
Please Zambia what is the point of fighting for democracy.
This is a NIGHTMARE, wake up!
I had a dream that some 3 months from now, I attended a press conference addressed by His Excellency, President Michael Chilufya Sata (conqueror of the Chinese Empire). At his inaugural press conference, the President unveiled his first cabinet. I did not get the full portfolios but these are the names I remember:
Prime Minister (with full executive powers): Dr. FTJ Chiluba (necessary to unify the nation after a persecuting regime)
Ministers of Finance: Francis Kaunda (Macroeconomics) and Faustin Kabwe (Microeconomics)
Minister of Defence: General Kayumba
Minister of Internal Security: Xavier Chungu
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Attan Shansonga
Economic a
#313 Akasabula ka numa, what i mean is that when we elect someone he should rule a full term and not finish someone else is term. only appointed people finish other people’s terms not a duelly elected person. Hope this is clear
Chi Katele, just shut your big foul, filthy beak. Didn’t your mother teach you to keep quiet when didn’t have anything nice to say? Guys, lets just follow what the constitution says. They should not try to cheat us of our right to vote or choose a leader of our choice. This is nosense and we should not allow it. Bushe ichi chine chi Katele ni chi doctor chanshi?? JUJU?? Katele, we don’t want confusion in our county.
THe MMD never wanted a good consitution,they prefered this rubbish,unless they say we put Sata or HH in the meanwhile I can agree but if its continue with one of their own the SORRY,bt elections must be held according to the useless Zambian Constitution!!
If you belive in a politician then you are a fool
“useless Zambian Constitution!!” patriotism at its best!
This is bollocks…They have to follow the law..AND THE LAW DOES NOT STATE THAT ELECTIONS WILL ONLY BE HELD IF THERE IS MONEY FOR IT!!!..I really did not think chaos would rear its ugly head this quickly!!!!
I personally want to vote, so If finances are an issue, please withhold the parliamentary salary increments and the accruing gratuities so that people like me, who pay the taxes that will pay the increased salaries, can exercise our constitutional right to elect a leader that we think will take this country forward. My opinion may not carry the day or even be the correct one, but It will be mine and I will feel great that I will have given it. I kindly urge the politicians to let me make that decision.
OH! I GET IT. HE DIDNT MEAN TO SAY THERE ISN’T MONEY TO FUND THE BY-ELECTION. THE GUYS ACTUALY DONT HAVE MONEY TO CAMPAIGN FOR ANY OF THEIR UNPOPULAR CANDIDATES. MOREOVER ITS TOO SHORT A PERIOD OF TIME FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO STEAL MONEY FROM GOVERNMENT COFFERS FOR THEIR CAMPAIGN AND EVEN SHORTER A PERIOD FOR OUR VERY OLD MAN, WHOM WE ALL KNOW, TO STRATEGIES THEIR RIGGING PROCESS. NOW, TOO BAD FOR YOU GUYS. YOU JUST HAVE TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
ELECTIONS PLEASE! AT ANY DAMN COST! ZAMBIA IS OURS, THE MONEY IS OURS, THE ELECTION IS OURS AND AFTERALL THE PRESIDENT WILL BE OURS.
OH ZAMBIA!!!… Am neva gonna come back to Zed again…i thnk am getn my mom and sis….WHAT ARE YOU ZAMBIANS UP TO….WHAT IS HAPPENING..oh dear….THE CALL BOYS ARE RUNNING THE COUNTRY AGAIN….GOD HELP ZAMBIA…**** MMD MIGHT PLUNGE THE NATION INTO CHAOS..TOTAL ANARCHY AND SOMEONE BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT***
What Katele is suggesting is very sensible especially that as a country we are already recording double digit inflation. The Labour party in Great Britain did not go for elections when Tony Blair resigned from Government, everybody allowed Gordon Brown to go through the Party selection process unopposed so as to lessen divisions. Zambia needs this sought of arrangement more than ever so as to unify the country that is still mourning its President.
#59 i find it strange the way you are thinking.The constitution in any democratic dispensation is the guidance and follow it period You hopelessness will put you in problems in future because you want to use short cuts another thing might happen that can affect you and you will be supprised if that leader bends the law.Yes it maybe costly,but democracy is not cheap.Has mmd got a clear agenda if this money is served no..no..no it will straight go into their pockets.This baggers are scared because they are going to loose their jobs soon.Where was the money going to come from 4 salaries they want increase?
God forbid, not Sata. Sata should not be an issue, We all know he’s ill. He is a heart patient, if he was realistic and patriotic he would have declared interest.
Let us wake up from slumber Zambians. We are in this problem because of beliefs in old politics, where leaders were dictated to us.
Are we not fed up with old time politics. RB and Sata are former UNIP stalwarts! They have been in governments before, what have we seen of them; bus loads of cadres to intimidate voters, white collar plundering (MERZAF flats). Is this the politics we need?
Lets have new people to stir this country to properity.
#59 YOU ARE WORNG, KATELE IS TRYIMG TO RAPE OUR CONSTITUTION. In Zambian general elections we vote for paiamentarians and the President, it’s what the constitution states. In Britain you vote for members of Paliament only, they choose the leader who becomes primeminister after they win the elections it is a huge difference. ZAMBIANS REJECTED CHILUBA’s THIRD TERM, THEY WILL REJECT THIS PROPOSAL IT IS UNCONSTITUTION AND THAT REJECTION STARTS WITH ME and others on this blog.
Who Told u MMD ll loose these elections.?this is been silly . I can assure u guys that come the by election the MMD under Rupiah ll ve a landslide victory .Viva MMD
Am glad am not in Zed,in Zambia nothing ever makes sense.We have people called doctors but who have no brains.Of all people now we have RB a UNIP member ruling when we got rid of UNIP ages ago.Mwanawasa created all this rubbish,foolish man!!
Hear hear #356, there is absolutely no way we can allow that to happen. Katele is just trying his luck because they are falling apart.
Awe napapa sana. We all know what the constitution says on the issue of bye elections when a president dies in power. We should concentrate on ensuring that whoever comes into power ensures the constitution is changed.Not Ba Sata please we dont want another bye election mwe bantu….
I thought the Minister of Justice was very clear about the way forward by stating what the constitution requires in an event when a sitting president dies. ELECTIONS AFTER 90 DAYS. It is the PEOPLE of Zambia who are supposed to elect the new president and NOT the group of 55 MMD Cadres. Please stop insulting us.
We should’nt let these clowns usurp our hard-earned democracy and constitution like this.They should be charged with treason and publicly flogged for a start,and then taken to court.The will of the people must be respected.Aluta continua.Long live Zambia.
Its have election in 2011 if you are scared of the cost and allow shi Chilufya to take over from RB because the majority zambians voted for him
What is Katele suggesting? Negotiate with who? My foot!.Not even the opposition can represent us the citizenry on this one.There is plenty of money to see the by-election off. Come on MMD be brave and face your opponents. We will not allow manipulation of the constitution to safeguard your jobs. The best man or woman should carry the day.
o plz, why have we continued hearing abt Katele? tha man is a wrong chap. it’s possible he ain’t even a real human beaing, after his magical maneouvers. come gettlemen.
U silly guys . By the way who told u ur satan holds power anywhere in this country? Im assuring u that come by election the MMD under hon Rupiah ll landslidely win. Viva MMD
it seems these MMD guys think they can do whatever they feel like as if they own this country, we want to follow the constitution to the letter. if they think its too expensive to hold this presidential by-election then let them seek help coz there are donors who are willing to help us fund the same exercise. its not up to politicians to decide for us, we have a constitution which must be adhered to or else……….so pliz if you MMD chaps love this country do what is right and we’ll thru the ballot put into office the person we want to rule us. dont hold us at ransom……pliz guys. am out.
Forks on the copperbelt will waste there votes once. know what?!!! PF will take copperbelt, luapula and lusaka central. UPND will take southern.MMD will take Northern, Eastern,Central, Northwestern, Western and the whole of lusaka province ather than lusaka central and then come second in all the other provinces just like last time guys.You know what!! RB is an economist turned carear diplomat, politician and buisnessman who once served as defacto president for namibia under UN. Nowonder he has not said anything and the country all over rocking his name. MMD the our has come once again!!!!!
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Attan Shansonga
Economic advisors to the President: Donald Chanda and Stella Chibanda
Bank of Zambia Governor: Samuel B Musonda
Minister of Transport and Commnuication: Willie Nsanda
Minsiter without Portfolio: Peter Machungwa
Minister of Women Affairs: Regina Chiluba (Mwanza)
Minister of Works and Supply: Richard Sakala
Minister of Health: Dr. Christine Sata (1st lady)
Minister of Justice: Mathews Ngulube
Minister for Privatisation: Hichilema Hakainde (HH)
Minister for Youth and Sport: Vernon Mwanga
Chief Justice: Robert Simeza
Attorney General: John Sangwa
Prisons Commissioner: Kashiwa Bulaya
Zambia ‘s Ambassador to the United Nations: Moses Katumbi
The Hour came & now is gone!! The “Time is now here” for the people to determine their destiny, the good thing is time will always be there for the suffering masses, an opportunity will always arise to unseat “the packs of hyenas & jackals.” It’s time to blow your car horns & blare you lights every friday as we march forward to determine our destiny with a trully peoples president!!!!
The only alternative is for all the partys to agree and only let one candidate file in his nomination. By so doing the candidate will be declared unopposed.
By the way do we all know why the Post has been supporting Magande. The matrix – Fred M’membe and Magande have shares in the financially troubled Zambian Airways. Magande is now doing what the late Penza did to Meridian Bank.
you Zambians living abroad and saying you will never come back to Zambia, stay away and just shut up! we have a country to develop!! right now we have a leader to choose, a constitution that needs mending to suit the people and not these politicians! if you are not going to help us because you are comfortable living in countries that developed by raping Africa and its people, you are foolish. we need to deal with serious issues in this battle and we need bravery and constructive ideas… we dont losers and your silly comments. Zambia is a good country and its our home… if you dont feel that way… then stay away!
TWO THINGS I HAVE FAILED TO UNDERSTAND (1)THE REQUEST TO AVOID THE BUY ELECTION AND (2)THE MMD CADRES.ZAMBIANS LETS STAND ON FEET TO FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHT TO VOTE IN OFFICE A PRESIDENT OF OUR CHOICE.MAY GOD OPEN THE EYES OF EVERY ZAMBIAN TO SEE THAT THESE GUYS MEAN NO GOOD
#368 VIVA SATA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!RB & VJ out
Latest!!! Latest
The undecalared 18th candidate is none other than m……. check the 19:00hrs news for details (Joke).
I aggree with u #358,Mwanawasa was the casue of all this
It is time for MMD to be voted out. Katele, are you really a doctor from a university or from the bush?
Want will people think of us to see Madam Fisrtlady Mrs Banda if RB goes through.They will think we are Mad.This is not the Stone age.PLS GOD Guid us Twapapata. RB sure want is Happening to our Country Zambia. NOT RB PLEASE CHOOSE SOMEBODY ELSE. MMD YOU WILL SMILE LOSE IF NOT CAREFUL.BYE POEPLE
328 ba SHETE tamumfwile at ba BANDA is the most qualified and we are glad we have him in the MMD. ubufumu apelafye lesa “YOU NEVER FIND THE HOLLY GRAIL, THE HOLLY GRAIL FINDS YOU” tamwaumfako ifya palako ifi in the christian circles. God appointing humble sherpards or goat herders in farms to high leadership positions in the land of israel. From the CVs of these leaders you can tell who God has been preparing and thats RB. The hour has come again mudala!!
Ba zed please lets not just be good at posting comments.personaly am worried about how many zedians will rise to fight the evil forces trying to deprive us of our rights if at all they choose to go without by-elecctions or possibly rigg and chickenheaded RB goes to plot 1 shame on us if we sit back and watch.oh i almost forgot katele sulunyoko
Mwe bantu,nanga ifi naumfwa ati ba MMD nabasala ba RB????
Mmeembe’s day of reckoning is finally here. The $1.6M owed to NACL must be paid and not only that but the billions of kwacha owed to ZRA by the POST must be paid as well. He finished everything in the Bahamas and on the S550 mercedez and now the only thing left is to side with Govt preferably Magande who has offered his services in exchange for publicity in the POST which is widely read. Imagine how pompous Fred will get should his prefered candidate go through. Magande will surely abuse his powers as he has already shown. Country men lets stand together and ABASH buying the POST
If this can hold then all political parties should go to mulungushi and vote there.We have a constitution which upholds democracy.Until this happens it will not be democratic
ZOONA BA MMD MWALITUBELESYA FWE BENA ZAMBIA CONTINUE WITH YOUR FOOLISHINESS BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT NOT ALL DAYS ARE SUNDAYS ZAMBIANS WILL RISE GUESS WHAT…. WAR KENYANS ARE NOT FOOLS
No. 311 you are talking sense. To be honest, all the mess we are in is because of Levy’s arrogance and opposition to a good constitution. Just like ka Chiluba ka mambala, if Levy had wanted, this country would have had a good constitution by now. Sorry to say, this man was a dictator until shortly b4 he passed on – he saw that he would not last very long. No country has had to go through so much confrontation over the CONSTITUTION as this country has. Just for selfish reasons by a leader and his boot-lickers!! All for nothing but to remain in power perpetually! SHAME.
The constitution is claer on such matters but, due to cracks within, people can easily manipulate it, SHAME. We needs to make our institutions strong; The Judiciary, the Legislature and the Executive.Everything should be spelt in the constitution, even where funding comes from. If they start changing things now, do not trust them with power.
Ooh nooo….., what nonsense is the MMD trying to do!!!!!.
Are they trying to say that the constitution is useless??????? Let this stupid Dr. Katele whatever keep his thoughts to his own silly self. We must have the elections period!!!!!! no more no less.
This is a joke!! Nga constitution yanshi kanshi? We might aswell do away with it. Rediculous!!
it is very disgusting to hear that mr katele as big as he is would bring in such an uncircumcised idea, are you people trying to bend rules to satisfy your greedy needs,Zambians are not ready for that.lets not mislead the nation in the line of avoiding costs,its better the country spends all it has for the peace and justice of the nation.I,for one, am not ready to be mislead.is the MMD trying to personalise this country, tell us now!
MMD forever.
I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU!
SATA A+
RB D
HH C
MIYANDA F
PABWATO!
hi
I do not agree with what you wrote really….
please ellaberate a bit more for me :d
thanks