The philosophy of “Donchi kubeba” and “Nafuti… nafuti” (the thunder in Zambian politics)

1. Latest on Tumfweko: Reported that Paul Duffy, Archbisop of Mongu diocese has died in the USA.
   MHSRIP if as reported is true!

2. At least “Donchi Kubeba”, makes sense, in that it simply means, “don’t reveal your true thoughts about those that true to smear mud over your face with simple material “free” gifts as they try to lure you to give them their vote! It in fact has the right morals, in that it teaches you to use your head [the proverbial gut-feeling] rather than the rumblings of your empty gut!!! Which these liars are trying to exploit to deceive you!!!

   Whilst, Nafuti nafuti, mean again & again, is senseless, when you consider that if you live in squalor, THEY ARE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGING YOU TO EMBODY THAT LIFE, whilst they look down upon you, spit on you WHILST THEY [Thieves] LIVE LIKE KINGS IN PALACES AT YOUR EXPENSE!!! Is the most that the MMD campaign team could really come up with??

3. What was the purpose of your article?????

4. Where is ka father bwalya? Ichamba sana ka father kalya.

5. I must disagree with the concept that Zambia is a model of Democracy in the region.
   Peace and Democracy is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice.
   Political leaders use their foolish cadres to do their dirty work of intimidation and violence.
   Let us rise beyond the Sept 20 elections and ensure that our nation prospers beyond party and political affiliations.

6. PF use Donchi Kubeba and MMD use Nafuti Nafuti.
   If UPND or ADD had similar slogans they would be labelled as tribal parties.

7. 1 All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field.
   2 Politicians are the same all over.  They promise to build a bridge even where they is no river
   I think mr Mwango you have to stop writing articals…political philosophy is the study of human social organization and of the nature of man/woman in society. A political philosopher is likely to ponder the following questions: What is the ideal form of government? Is it aristocracy, monarchy, theocracy, democracy, some mix of the different systems, or absolutely no government at all (anarchy)? And which economic system is best? …….

8. “Disasters dont just happen; they tend to be a critical chain of events that result in disasters”; is the main theme on some programs on discovery channels when they discuss “disasters”. Mr mwango’s article is baseless. The tension in Zambia has been building for the last 20 years because of “a critical chain of resource mismanagement activities” by the so called leaders. They are educated; but cannot use their education to solve the tension. They have realised this, but it will take years to take Zambia back on track. Machiavelli stated “those that benefit from chaos would be lukewarm supporters of change”; Donchi Kubeba is real; worse if MMD wins the force of Donchi Kubeba will be difficult to manage. Good luck bane

9. Had you taken care of bakaponya as you liek to call us; maybe tension will have subsided because we would have been kept busy in menial yet rewarding jobs. The truth hurts. Ba “some of us” are out numbered. The men and women in uniform suffer the ssame plight as bakaponya. Now is the time to defend “bu some of us”; and be ready because you have a lot to lose than them. Tension is here to stay until their preferred candidate goes to state house to speak for them. Call my a cynic if you like.

10. The first question I would ask the author is whether he lives in Zambia, let alone being a Zambian. Surely, how do you ask what ‘donchi kubeba’ and ‘nafuti nafuti’ mean? The two have nothing in common with violence. The PF slogan refers to the practice of accepting whatever gifts the ruling party may try to bribe you with to vote for them, but then actually voting for the party you believe will bring genuine development and not the short term gifts, while the MMD slogan implies that the MMD has done such a great job developing the country, they deserve another chance at governance, hence nafuti nafuti, ‘literally translated again again’.

    So, to reiterate, there is no violence being implied here

11. DONCHI KUBEBA IS EVIL…

12. donchi kubeba is for gays..!

13. Article has no substance

14. Ala this is democracy! Blowing of trumpets is free at any place you feel like. So you can adopt whichever vernacular slogan slogan you feel like. Provided it makes enough sense we go with it. Don’t blame us on that!

15. Donchi Kubeba encourages people NOT to be transparent and we all know things done in dark corners can not be honest. Donchi kubeba has been practised for ages by adulterers and thieves but some still get caught despite donchi kubeba.

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    f course if anything is good, it makes sense to do it again and again

16. Atleast there is no tension in my home, my work place, my church and my “watering hole”. My vote is secret and am keeping it close to my chest! Tension is only with people who want to win elections at all costs and some of their followers who want to see them in state house. It is actually being ‘brewed’ by blind followers who are ‘drunk’ with tribalism, nepotism, favouritism and even criminality in the hope that they will benefit once their prefered candidates win elections. I am lest assured that peace, we shall continue to enjoy whatever the outcome of the elections! We shall exercise our right to vote and vote wisely.

17. A poorly written article! Why does everyone assume they have the capacity to write? I would encourage the writer to stick to his day job!

18. I don’t understand this article and i believe even the writer him or herself did not understand what he or she was writing

19. lets just all agree here..RB is the way forward..VOTE RB 2011

20. Don’t Kubeba means when pf comes to power, Zambia will become a gay country whereas Nafuti Nafuti is straight forward, continuity with RB

    • iwe chi PF source kanshi tawakwata amano.do not show us how much ignorant you are!!!!

21. USING TAX PAYERS….DEFINATELY NI DONT KUBEBA….LETS ALSO ENJOY OUR MONEY PEOPLE….DONT KUBEBA NI ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

22. mr mwaango,it’s not the matter of writting whatever u feel or think,but its the matter of finding sense in whatever u hv written,and they say”it’s better to keep quiet than to show to people hw ignorant u are” .in the first place,do not miss use the term”philosophy”because has no connection with those two slogans.in simple word u would hv written”dochi kubeba and nafuti nafuti”.secondly what violence have u observe in these slogans?i would encourage you to continue with what you are doing in your life than to show us your ignorance.

23. Martin Mwango. you have No writing skills. i hope it is a job on training. otherwise your article does not have coherence. It is not logical and orderly. For example paragraphes two and three could have been put together and appear in the conclusion. The violence talked about is not implied in the slogans. What you could have stressed may be is the way these slogans are spoken which may raise problems in some opponents’ ears and fume violence.

24. What is the purpose of this article?

25. @21 dont show us ubukopo here,, the article is not talking about the general philosophy but one thought in the same line of human thinking. @7 ready once more the article,, its not talking about philosophy as a course but an aspect in zambian philosophy.

26. Dont Kubeba, they think im with them but come election, nipa bwato

27. @24 anyone who has done philosophy cud agree with me.the way u hv used the word philosophy and the contents of ur articles are totally different.i will encourage u to go back and study philosophy.this is totally disaster in thinking!!!

28. peace pea ce peace all the way pea ce is what we want is what we need so no violence twakana ifyongo,lets vote RB for peace for freedom for tranquility

29. DONCHI KUBEBA IS DECEIT AND DISHONESTY WHICH IS VERY COMMON WITH SOME TRIBES

    • Even bribing people to get their votes when you infact do not intend to attend to their grievances in the long run is deceit. Removing anti -abuse-of-office close is either encouraging abuse of office or protecting oneself from prosectution after havng abused the office. Use your head sometimes if you cant do it always.

30. @ 24 Is there such as a zambian philosophy. if so can you please briefly define it or shade some light on what it is. Please donot misuse terms if you donot comprehend their meaning thus not so competent to explain.

31. Donchi Kubeba means let them give me items bought using my tax money thinking that will let me vote for them ba sakanyongo. I just have to get eat & dont tell them I will not vote for them.
    I dont know what nafuti nafuti means.

32. NAFUTI NAFUTI MEANS WE CONTINUE WITH DEVELOPMENT NAFUTI NAFUTI IS MORALLY RIGHT AND SWEET MMD IS SWEET.VIVA RB. 

33. NAFUTI NAFUTI MEANS WE CONTINUE WITH DEVELOPMENT NAFUTI NAFUTI IS MORALLY RIGHT AND SWEET MMD IS SWEET.VIVA RB. **==**==[-x[-x

34. DONTI KUBEBA is promotion of kick backs and back door deals = corruption

35. DONTI KUBEBA sucks.

36. @27 and @30 hahahah, don’t say things that you wish you know,,, just learn to understand. Philosophy is the human thinking, we they PF say donchi kubeba, they must be a deeper meaning of those words and that is want we call the philosophy of a part or a group. Its not the analyse of the bemba words but the deeper analyse of human thinking. The philosophy of Man United, meaning the way they term up. popopopopo

37. If in this day and age pf are still promoting sticks and catapult type of warfare, how on earth are they going to understand modern day economics if ever they were to be mistaken a governorship? Counting by allotment of pebles from the river bank?

    Pf is a total disgrace, a bunch of loonies fit for a cartoon cast.

38. ////-, ////- How long will pf remain in this backward way of counting? DONTI KUBEBA is just that: stone age backwardness and primitiveness. Go count your pebbles at the river bank, to your hearts content. Just don’t think we are equally as backward.

39. Mr Mwango with due respect to your artical first and all  job well done for your effort!!…you are confusing us,, what are you trying to highlight?and what is the connection of philosophy and these slogans? PLS Mr Mwango try to write sense because people are taking advantages on your ignorance …..*****……..l

40. Nafuti nafuti must be so good they named it twice.Other than that the point of this article is lost on me.

41. Donchi Kubeba means attending Pa Fyamba (PF) rallies in multitudes to listen to the insanity and comedy of its leadership and then voting wisely on September 20.

42. The question and answers are very simple? what do you do if the person who protects you says i wont be protecting you? then you don’t receive justice what do you do if lastly who starts all this nonsense?

43. Donchi kubeba MEANS even if PF loses the election, they wont be tired for the next round whenever elections will be contacted nafuti. while Nafuti Nafuti is nyanja meaning extra measure. So iwe writer Ufisanji manje?

44. DONTI KUBEBA means cheating and being quiet afterward is rewarding. More like ‘the monkey taking care of a maize field’ kind of stuff.

45. DONTI KUBEBA is malabishi.

46. I find it very disturbing for political parties to adopt street lines as part of their party slogans.

    Where is this country going,…?

    • @45 niwefye MMD or UPND just ready very carefully the
       article

    • my thought exactly. Quite irritating

47. The great Obama adopted something about change and ‘yes we can ‘phrase.Donchi kubeba or nafuti nafuti or is it kuyumwayumwa by UPND,those are just political flavours,the color of campaign politics,just like in sport or specifically football we sing chipolopolo,other teams sing and bang different sounds and songs for morale boosting.Do not make issue out of non issues,if you have nothing to write about,just breath,its free.

48. if ignorance can be prevailed even for people who are always internet everytime will continue we shall never learn and no progress in Zambia. What where the aspects for some African leaders Ujama for Nyirere, Humanism for Kaunda, if these word were manifested great and freedom fighter and where explained what about these world the PF Donchi Ukubeba and MMD Nafuti nafuti can’t be explained properly to make us cleaar?

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