The movement for the Restoration of the Barotseland agreement (MOREBA) has said that it is disturbed with what it describes as President Sata’s off the cuff reaction to the recommendation for the restoration of the Barotseland agreement.
MOREBA Chairperson, Mutungulu Wanga said that President Sata is on record both prior to his election as President and shortly after to have undertaken to restore the agreement within 90 days of his Presidency.
He said that the President never gave preconditions for honoring the agreement and was categorical that the treaty is a reality that any sane person cannot dispute. Mr. Wanga said that his organization is therefore embarrassed by the President’s Chameleon like stance over a matter he publicly committed himself to.
He added that the President’s grounds for developing cold feet over the restoration of the Barotseland agreement are a non-starter as the treaty is a contract between two parties and has no room for a third party.
Mr. Wanga said that the people of Barotseland cannot be denied what belongs to them by right because of what other people do not have. This is contained in a statement signed by Mr. Wanga and his secretary, Mungandi Mungandi and made availed to media today.
And Chief Mwana Mutondo of the Nkoya people of western Province has hailed president Sata for rejecting the restoration of the Barotseland agreement. The Chief claims restoring the agreement would have benefited the minority.
He has distanced the Nkoya people from the secession demands saying the move would segregate people on tribal grounds. Chief Mwana Mutondo was speaking at a media briefing in Lusaka today.
President Sata has u-turned on his pledge to restore the Barotseland agreement saying such a move would bring confusion as all the provinces would demand autonomy.. President Sata said that he was reluctant to grant the restoration of the Barotseland agreement contrary to his pledge during campaigns for the September 20th polls. This is also despite recommendation by the Commission of Inquiry in to the Mongu riots, which has recommended the restoration of the agreement.
hahahahahaha. The Vernom of a snake; politicians slither period. Pop corn let me relax and enjoy passions the new generation. This SOAP opera keeps getting better.
PF IS RIGHT ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION FULL-STOP.
The Lozis have themselves to blame for trusting Mr. Sata when they fully knew that he was lying for purpose of gaining a vote which they eventually gave him.We reap what we sow. Both sata and Lozis are reaping what they sowed.
The president should aplogise to MOREBA for stirring false hopes. We knew his correct position but he made these poor souls think he would do otherswise.
Apologise Mr President, these people thought you meant what you said.
Mr Wanga who has denied the lozis wat belongs 2 them, who has displaced them? are they not in barotseland, who has denied them 2 develop the land? Go on develop it without the GRZ, is it not wat u ar agitating for?
Patriot, your man said he would restore….so argue about his new stance if you wish to help the situation. Are you willing to support the reasons he has given?
One Zambia, One Nation. Nothing more, nothing less
That slogan was coined to mean the Barotse Agreement was being respected no the other way round.
Why one zambia one nation? We all want a share of the national cake not just bembas. There will be no one zambia one nation until the president stops appointing his tribes mates to all key positions and stops doing things that favour himself and bembas. Until then forget about unity, our eyes are wide open.
@ zikilag, Bemba’s rule or not it’s about winning the hearts of people not just in Western province but in all other provinces.. get out of your cacouns and embrace the whole of Zambia and you will really see the power of unity. do you really expect the other provinces to vote for your political children when all they say is me and my tribe????? tisk tisk tisk
one zambia one nation. Let these minority lozi enthusiast tribalist fools chill out. why should they disturb our peace because of their selfish tribal motives. stupid f00ls
If you are serious with your history you will find that this has nothing to do with selfishness, but an agreement that was necessary for Zambia to be what it is. So dont insult without understanding, rather be truthful about issues.
Its the presidents own fault. didnt he raise peoples expectations himself? There is no one to blame here other than the president himself. Looking at the way he is appointing his tribemates shows that he is the biggest tribalist. Our eyes are seeing whats happening, no more hoodwinking us.
One thing, mostly Zambian don’t seem to understand is that the Lozis have formidable historical b/ground than any other tribe in Zambia unless the Ngonis who also have the same MFECANE reason of trek from the South to the North into the present now Zambia. We ( as Zambian) need to be very careful ..to be harsh does not make one a successful leaders, instead most of them are destine to fail. Therefore, ma-lozi issue is a serious one that needs to be careful handled , otherwise, when contradictory tribes are paraded like they are doing between the nkoyas and the lozis, it is not health, will soon this people killing each other. This province has more guns than any other that were brought by the refugees.So-if Sata thinks he can divide and rule , it will not work.
So what do you tink is the best solution? Outline coz you advice is vague. We need to find a seriou solution ton to this
What guns? Precolonial pembela nsokele? Bring it on nga namukosa as your so called guns jam on you.
Guy that comment Is wrong you talk of war this is a peacfull nation and we will continue enjoying it. wat is also the issue is,, will chief nkana part away with his cut to the lozies NO
The lesson is; its culturally easy for a Kolwestan to lie as being deceptive is seen as being clever traditionally. This explains why stealing or lying is seen as a noble act in bemba tradititon.
People from other tribes should know that Kolwestans do not have the same moral standards and treat them as such. As far as Mr Sata is concerned now, there is nothing wrong he did and he would be happy to use such arguments as exemplified in #4 above.
Eye Ball to Eye Ball.Dr.Chongwe you are The Man
We need to have signed social contracts for all politicians vying for public office, whether as MP or President. We need to enshrine this in the constitution. As for now, there is nothing we can do apart from waiting for 2016.
Sorry ma lozi. Next time be wise.
Put it in simple arithmetic: Northern Rhodesia + Barotseland (BA64)= Zambia. I rest my case!
OR BA64 + Northern Rhodesia = Zambia.
you mean u can only develop by moving out.you can stil do it you hav rice and many more resources what kind of development do u want which we dont hav us who near the city my village is only 1000KM from the capital city but we dont hav school or clinic.
Okay back to drawing board: Zambia – BA64 = ?
Zambia – BA64 = ?
This equation is more like 1(One Zambia) – 0 (Aspired in-existent Barotseland) = 1 (Unitary sate)
One Zambia, One Nation! One Nation, one land, and that land, shall remain indivisible under God.
Thanks Prof for making the lesson understandable even for dummies!
AS A NATION LET US HUMBLE OURSELVES AND REPENT AND RENOUNCE LYING. LYING IS AN ATTRIBUTE OF SATAN. IT IS A SIN. BECAUSE LIES WERE TOLD BY LEADERS OF PF TO GET TO POWER THEY HAVE CONSEQUENCES ON A NATION. READ DANIEL CHAPTER 9. CATHOLIC BISHOPS, PASTORS, THE PRESIDENT, AND EVERY ZAMBIAN LET US HUMBLE OURSELVES AND SEEK FORGIVENESS FROM GOD AND START A FRESH. GOD GIVES A SECOND CHANCE TO EACH ONE WHO SEEKS HIS MERCY!
The only solution to this is to 1.decentralize all provinces with local provincial parliaments/policy making bodies with policy and budget making authority for provincial affairs. 2.Model it after US system (income tax is divided between national, provincial & local) for true fiscal decentralization without which decentralization is a fallacy. 3. demand barotse to stop cessation demands with treason as penalty. 4. the name Barotseland be dropped & that the borders are maintained as western province 5. give them a permanent honorary cabinet seat in exchange 4 dropping poltical autonomy demands.
Wont work!!! start with Litunga, and mpezeni will follow suite, then Chiti Mukulu, then maybe Chief Nkana will cry for his Copperbelt…. i wonder if Litunga is at the route of all this or if he is being used as a pawn i have not heard a single statement from him???? he seems to be just as slithery as king cobra.
Stupid Bu5tards, who the Faq-(UCK) are you to demand 4 Zef to b split?. U think ths is 1964??? A55hol3s!!!
@7, Zele Zele:
What tribe in Zambia does not have a “formidable historical background”? As far as I know, all tribal groupings in Zambia have documented history of one form or another. Whether it is the Bantu botatwe tribes (Tangos, Lenjes, and Ilas), who never migrated into Zambia (as far as the current history of Zambia tells us), or other tribes which migrated into current Zambian territory either from the South, North, or West, they all have histories!
So what is so “formidable” about the amaLozis who ran away from Shaka Zulu and other despots’ wars of ancient South Africa? Conniving with colonialists because your chief was scared of being evaded by his more powerful neighboring chiefs does not make your history any more special or formidable. Get it?!!!!
Yep- its good tht SC, quashed ur stupid desires to a preferential treat..there r 70+ tribes in this country, think twice b4 bcommin nitwits, F*cn Tribalists!!!!!!!!!
These Lozi’s never voted for Sata anyway. Why should they cry. they should only cry when there HH does that if he ever will. Period.
Change of strategy. however, the man said HE WAS RELUCTANT. He did not say HE WON”T recommend.. Until he says HE WON’T, we will continue on benefit of doubt highway. When he does, say HE WON’T, it will be time to implement Omega.
#20 f.u.c.k you, sata and PF thugs! Why bring HH in your retolic. You have no brains!
Yeah,they dint vote in large #’s for Sata. 2ndly the Litunga lied to the British. The Nkoya’s & otha tribes wer never consulted. They’ve never been part of so called Barotseland.
Which stupid Lamba will allow another tribe to lead them? After all they were not aware about this agreement. If we so wish we can clear all the foreigners from this land.
he ought to honor his promise one way or anothr tfrust me. we are doing evrythn possible to hold him accountable.
It was either lies or ignorance, or both. And your own daughter Inonge was chief facilitator, ma Lozi kaufela muswabile. The Lozis swallowed everything like they were born today, didn’t imagine these MOREBA, Linyungandambo etc could be such gullible dunderheads. You morons, next time leave such matters in the competent hands of the Litunga, he had already initiated meangful dialogue with RB who understood these things better.
Balimunyunya Inonge, even the promise of vice president has been broken and she has been shunted to some obscure ministry, and not even consulted on chiefs matters which fall under her ministry.
Inonge Wina is NOT Barotseland.
Its the presidents own fault. didnt he raise peoples expectations himself? There is no one to blame here other than the president himself. Looking at the way he is appointing his tribemates shows that he is the biggest tribalist. Our eyes are seeing whats happening, no more hoodwinking us
Nevers Mu mba is a lia r and a mon ey lau ndering ma chine
Him and the de puty Mr Nz oya are ste aling tax pa yers money. They had fired Mr Tem bo beca use he knew about this sc am and was aga inst it. They also have a office slut , Caro lina Rod- riguez who is also abus ing the money. The Ottawa Zam bian mis sion are th ieves
Nevers Mu mba is a lia r and a mon ey lau ndering ma chine
Him and the de puty Mr Nz oya are ste aling tax pa yers money.
They had fired Mr Tem bo beca use he knew about this sc am and was aga inst it. They also have a office slut , Caro lina Rod- riguez who is also abus ing the money.
The Ottawa Zam bian mis sion are th ieves
Why changing changing your ka name? Just remain a Lizard?
Who said treaties can’t be broken? For starters we need to ask tribes included in the original Barotse agreement if they still want to subdinate to an un elective monarch or not, the next move would be to repatriate all Lozis to their homeland as soon as possible.
If i were President Sata i would push for their independence with lightening speed, making sure all Zambians are evacuated and all Lozis sent home within a year and build a massive wall between the two countries.
Honestly there’s absolutely no need to go to war for a piece of wasteland, please give them their Province on condition that they do not push it and ask for other provinces to join them. Oh by the way they can go with Tongas if they want.
We will be a better country without them, please let them go..
O really, pit you didnt think like that in 1964!
Nev ers Mu mba is a lia r and a mon ey lau nd er ing ma chine
Him and the de pu ty Mr Nz o y a are ste ali ng tax pa yers money. They also have a off ice sl ut , Caro li na Rod rigu ez who is also ab us ing the money. The Otta wa Zam bian mis sion are th- ieves
nyo yahao
mwene mutondo is just a dis graced induna,the chief of mankoya is litiya.
mwene mutondo thinks he may put some money in his pockets,he is like mwana chingwala.mwene mutondo is actually not representing the nkoya,he is detached from the people.he stays in bush near solwezi.he is an induna not a chief,what ass hole of a chief.
It is most shameful indeed that a president can tell lies with such impunity. It also shows that maybe our diversity is our weakest link because in a certain Northern culture, peddling in dangerous gullible lies like these that are overly injurious to the fabric of nationhood is considered to be “e bwaume”. This country is doomed and if the Bembas want to keep this failed union it’s their own funeral, others are leaving now.
THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT FOR THE RIGHT MOVE.
so far the BRE is best in logic and diplomacy and commands 100% support.there wi9l;l be no stone thrown until there is intervention by the impartial common wealth courts.the verdict will surely be on the faviour of barotseland.barotse knows the pain of mwene mutondo,its for him to be called senior chief but the problem is that he cant match mwene chiengele and mwene kandala who are enjoying and commanding authority over induna kahare.
without the BA 64,your president will cease to be president over barotseland.with recognition of BA64 comes one zambia one nation and hemcs commanding respect for the whole country.the zambia constutition must not make a mistake of leaving out the barotse question if zambia is to procced in peace as one stong and free.the unity inthe national anthem is barotseland + nothern rhodesia= zambia.
This illiterate should be one term president. Zambians should now wake up to this bemba tyrany. NO MORE KOLWES
IS IT A COINCIDENCE THAT BAN KI’S VISIT HAS COME DURING PFS TERM IN OFFICE?
What we should understand is that when one is not in government, they do not know the implications of their statements. Since most of these things are state secrets, they do not know why the past presidents have not resolved this issue. But when one is in office he has access to all the details of what is involved. The decision made by President Sata is based on good informed details. So our self-brothers should concentrate on discussing development, which the Western Province lacks.
Same with marriage the two become one,but when divorce hits the one becomes two.
I can see a divorce in the zed & B/L marriage if not handled properly by alangis and shibucombes.
But on this one I know cobra will just say “ubuchende bwamwaume tabu toba inganda”
Ba Biggie, mwa ni sekesa bad! But have you thought of the NGOCC group, and the VSU! Hahahaha. Good one.
@ zele zele, you think western province will wage war against the govnment? Where are they grim to get the rsouces? Do you knw a country backing them? Do you knw something we Dont knw? Now thats tretreason. Are they getting guns front angola? Wonder you guys were voting for refugees as mps. You wont win. Possession comes with a referendum . fool!
And let their leaders, from the BRE; to find a solution to the BA64. Probably this is the good time for government to re-think its development agenda for Zambia. Given a chance, government should take stock of all districts in Zambia and find out what drives the economies of each district. Using that information, they can help each district to development their own economies. Zambians, what brings development is not government but our own resources in our areas. But we need government to spearhead the agenda.
who says a leopard can change its spots..it can’t change..wait for the worst!
Restoration does not mean cession. it means bringing devt to western province as was promised in the agreement.
even the president seems to be confused as to what it is all about. it has nothing to do with cession.
Some of us are tired of ingesting insults from those who feel are more educated and more human than every Bemba! If it were in my power; I’d ensure I convince everyone that we have them get their Western province … also ensure everyone of their tribe’s mate gets back to their Western province.
Filekeni fileya.The province is after all just a piece of sand.
Mulindumbi lyobe! For you to refer to other human beings like that you must have been born to dogs. If it is just a piece of sand why are you so emotional? You are a st.upid uncultured inbred idi.ot!
Perhaps the Post’s editorial of Sunday 26th February 2012 is the best advice from a friend of the President. A true friend gives frank advice, even when that advice will hurt the ego of the friend. I salute the Post for being a true friend of the President.
Too much lies in Zambia. Mweene Mutondo cannot be described as the Chief of Nkoya people in Western Province. That is is just a stinking lie. He is a Chief (an Induna) in his own Silalo (area) an he shouldnt misrepresent himself. I am Nkoya and I am not in his jurisdiction. My Chief is Mwene Kahare. I just hope that he also used the opprtunity to plead to Sata to stop persecuting his subject who Sata is accusing of being an MP from Angola. Mwene Mutondo; I will praise you for supporting your subject looking at how you’ve been one of his main witnesses. But please stop masquerading as ‘Chief of Nkoyas in Western Province’! Ask for brown envelopes while you are at it. Dont just do it for mahala. Ask the other commercial chiefs how it is done!
My dear compatriots there are no human beings called ‘Kolwes’ nor is there a ‘Kolwestan’ (land of Kolwes) in Zambia. I plead with those who misrepresent Bembas as an insulting people to stop it. Bembas are nice, hard working entreprenuers who are most respectful and cultured. Today, most of us might have attended matebeto etc, courtesy of this great people. And there is great love between Tonga and Bemba as favourite inter tribal marraige partners. Do your a quick search in your neighbourhood or amongst workmate and you will realise the intensity of intermarraige between the two. Bembas and Tongas are one (full stop)
And the winners are, the looozzziiiiiis. They have been give a position as Miniater of Traditional healers through Inonge Wina, the rest of the positions, Minsitry of Finance – Sata’s Father in Law, Ministry if Commerce, Sata’s In law through his Son’s Marriage to Bob’s Daughter, GBM, Cousins, Kabwili, Tribes men and village mates, the list too long for me to waste my energy on. Go Zambia Go, Guys, any more pop corns?
these kolwestans are just confused right from their balls to heads..too much pride and yet they are just lazy thieves..
the presdo seems not to understand the BA64,Let him ask Mr namakando membe to explain it to him
Hope those insulting Bembas have reasons to insult them and not doing it out of hate.God is great and he is listening to your insults and thank God that all Tongas and Lozis are not thieves and dont lie.May God punish Bembas becoz of their thieving ways and may he bless Lozi and Tonga for they do not lie and steal. AMEN. I end my case
All zambia should struggle for is unity,unity and only unity.Every thing,everybody stays the same orientation before and after 20th September,2011 elections. No amputations,no divisions and no disfiguring
Sata lied. Its normal for Bembas to lie. Their culture has no upright morals when it comes to lies and theft. Sata is a hero for ascending to the throne through such acts.
No,my next door neighbour is an exception to # 49’s views.He is one of those extreme characters and he is LOZi.So you see it is not the tribe but individual personalities.
This shows how clever us Bembas are. We are no macth to you stpd Zambians. We will always rule you and CORN you if need be to retain our power. We are the Majority after all.
I urge all the minority groups including the Lozis and their tribal cousins to accept this fact. Yu will always be buttochs in this country. You will never be the front. Viva bembas!
You do not know that Bembas are also under the influence of foreigners like KK, Chiluba and Sata
What is Fred Mmembe and Inonge Wina saying about these? They both misguided the President. Inonge Wina for getting a job as a Minister. And Mmembe to rule Western Province by proxy. They both look like fools now.
The recommendations contained in the Rodger Chongwe Inquiry were pre-determined to suit the mindset of Sata. However Chongwe has been paid for the Kabwe-shooting he sustained under the Chiluba regime through a back-door budget-line, out of reach by the Auditor-General’s eagle eye.
The Lozis must queeze Inonge Wina for her flirtations with Sata at the expenxe of the people’s welfare.
Chileshe P. Thats outrageous coming from a Zambian. I doubt if you are a real Bemba. Im a Lozi, and I can tell you real Bembas are not of your calibre, and I have many Bemba friends my friend. You are a fake. You should meet real Northerners to understand how msiguided you are. A u na ngana.
Spot on! Chileshe P is’nt an authentic Bemba. In most cases those masquerading as Bembas are actually just trying to incite tribal hatred. Am bemba and Lozis have been my best pals all my life. I don’t even know why.
Take it easy, Inonge is the candidate for 2016 elections uner PF. We will see if HH will match and defeat her.
It’s difficult to get a clear point from the many comments here. My big questions are:
1.If W/P separates from the rest of Zambia, will it demand for Independence like Sudan?
2. Lozis working in other parts of the Country, will they be required to go back to Barotseland or will they need work permits to work else where in Zambia?
3. How will other tribes be treated in Barotseland?
4. What is the main reason for wanting cessation?
Please help me understand because I personally love every Zambian regardless of their tribe.Other Countries have two or three tribes and fight for supremacy yet God has held 73 Zambian tribes together, why then should there be separations? LEARNED friends please HELP!
Amazing comments, the language is totally unacceptable.
Chileshe P, your statement tells how iliterate, uncivilized and it comes with alot of prejudice. An educated Bemba will not claim that bembas are a majority. Do you know which part of zambia well learnt people come from? You are really an ***** and asshole without brains
CHILDREN OF GOD’ LET US EMBRACE ” ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION” KIPETO/CHAPWA-FINISH….
Yu pipo are lying by saying lozi’s voted for Sata to win electtions? Western Province is not Lozis only. We have Tumbukas, Bembas, Tongas, mention it and these are the pipo who voted for Sata in Western Province. If all the Lozis voted for Sata, no MP frpom the other parties could have won any seat in Western Province. Get statistcs from ECZ and see the numbers that voted for Sata and PF. Then answer the question.
The Lozis voted for MMD and UPND, full STop! So stop accusing Sata. And who told Dr. Chongwe that Eastern Province, Luapula, North-western or indeed Lusaka provinces are more developed than Western Province? Go to Chama, Mwense, outskirts of Solwezi, and the answer the question. Development is an on going process. No province is Zambia is more developed than the other. Yesterday a dug-out toilet in the Copperbelt town of Luanshya collupsed! Is that development on the copperbelt? Answer me.
@jujutupya,my brother be honest,how many tarred roads do you have in all the provinces you are talking about,how many raillines,how many university/diploma giving colleges do you have?.dont speak from lusaka ,if you want go to imusho.you are talking of chama.OK even if we say something the only thing you do is to criticise.but i think the lozi people dont easily give up,however am sad, just tooo toooo many lozi people will die it looks like,as people surround them and butcher them behind their own houses.for what reasons!.only God knows.God judges actions of all man kind.
My dear Silent drums, I am not against Lozis asking for development! What I am trying to say that they should not use the Vote as weepon to fix the president. We should be looking at issues of development for the whole country, not successions. If for devil’s sake, the president restores the so called agreement, then what next for Lozis? They will start killing each other with other western province tribes! I am not a prophet of doom, but I can foresee that.
With regard to the Barotse Agreement , I may not able to explain the source of the problem nor offer a solution that will resolve the problem but in my mind I think the whole problem is about the cake. As a nation we have not created a cake big enough to uplift the lives on many… of our people. If were as prosperous as the USA or as China , I doubt if even anyone would even thing of not being part of that. Some of the reasons for our failure to create a bigger cake is our failure to embrace ideas/value that create wealth. For instance , because of the land tenure arrangements in some parts of our beloved country , we have denied much needed investments .For more close to 100 years some parts have not see anBritish , Chinese , Indian, Austrilian , Canadian and even Zambian money invested