Saki urges FTJ to accept the London judgement and pay back the plundered cash

1. Sikota stop advising,you are not his brother or lawyer,the man already knows that he’ll pay back the money, all your colleagues have to do is not waste time and follow correct procedures on how to effect the judgement,and if failure,think of what to do next.

2. Has levy started dishing out brown envelopes?Saki dont be smart,ICASA has some thorns about you, so dont be clever just mind your own failed political life.Let Simeza and Sangwa speak out, you are just another time waster and opportune seeker

3. So, only FJT’s brothers or lawyers should advise him. That could be the reason why he is adamant.

4. I agree with Saki that certain functions are not for LPM and MMD. They are for all Zambians. Whatever political views you hold freedom is for all.

5. Some of you pipo on this blog are talking heads I can not even imagin how you get access to the computer because you do not exhibit any intelligence at all.There is nothing wrong with saki comenting on chilubas case.Here we should trying to help chiluba to repent and ask for forgiveness and the pipo at large not to lay back and allow those entrusted with their wealth go about plundering without consequnces.Saki just like anybody should be allowed to express themselves freely.Infact saki is one of the fine intelligent pipo that we have though he made one political mistake by joining sata who everybody knew is an empty can that make too much noise.Saki we all make mistake but the worst is wrighting the wrong formula and after realising that you do nothing to change for the right one.Leave that lupen and join forces with right pipo.

6. Kambilombilo (#5): thanks for summarising it. Every Zambian has a right to comment on issues that affect us. Chiluba made conscious decisions (not mistakes!)about how to manage national coffers. For that, he must be a man and answer in a court of law. Not allowing feigned illnesses or stress to get the better of him.

7. #5, Kambilombilo,
   You are really short sighted. Did you not see what Saki did recently under the tripartite elections. The man is so selfish. He campaigned for himself alone while Sata and group campaigned as a team. As a result, in Saki’s stronghold PF lost like no man,s business. Is this the kind of man you can give authority to comment on Chiluba. I doubt your credibility. The man who before the results of the elections were officially announced went straight and pronounced that he was goin to be the Vice President to Michael Chilufya Sata.Where is his intelegency? If he was inteligent at one time, I am sorry to inform you that the man is now dull and only survives on experience. Please do not follow suit.

8. Kuku,
   what is not happeneing? Your friends are posting messages and meanwhile you are busy sleeping-why? Wake up and contribute. All you can do is go up to 10.00pm. I spend sleepless nights myself to fend for my children because of the misdeeds of the former government to the economy of Zambia. That is how serious matters are.

9. how come there no jail term for Chiluba?

10. Tue Zedians are suffering because heftjay use public resources to enjoy a lavish and posh lifestyle and all
    someone could do is to defend a defenceless man.True to his words we dont have to be lawyers to see that he has stolen.Neither do we all need to be auditors in order to ascertain how much the former president stole.For now Chiluba should brace himself for a showdown agianst true sons and daughters of mother Zed.Enough is Enough alamwandini twanaka nankwe.

11. You guys you have been driven away by one man FTJ but the judgement say FTJ and 19 others. Who are these others why are the names not mentioned. FTJ is sick please the nation has the right to know who are these 19 who shared the cake alone at the expense of the starving Zambian child. Next time Sakwiba we want a full list of plunderers. There is no need to hide them their are offenders.

12. Iwe#8 unknown ulindoshi uwakulabomba 24/7 ukwabula ukutusha?Finshi ucita ubushiku bonse which you could not do during day time just to put food on the table?This is inefficiency of the highest order.Umusungu allowed you to work 48 productive hrs per week and he knew why he did that? Now you in your own wisdom or lack of it you decide to work for 24/7,no wonder Zambia is underdeveloped because of people like you, who think sleeping at work is productive,overtime is counter productive it means you cant manage time effectively and efficiently or may be you are a polygamist who is cheating on an innocent wife.STOP IT SHAA

13. #12, Kuku young man,there is no need to sleep at the rate you are going. You are going to sleep when you die. And you are going to enjoy that sleep because it will be forever. Not now. Leave that Kantemba of yours to run for 24 hours in a day at Masala Main. Sha. Who told you that hard work has to be done by following the cheating from the British who just showed you one side of life and hide most of the things on how development comes about. so you still believe in them. Okay, keep on sleeping and see if you will go any where with that business of yours. Out.

14. #11, Easy, You should read the judgement report by Smith. It is on the internet and you will be able to know the rest of the 19 plunderers. They are mentioned including some solicitors in the UK. The document has 216 pages. Read and do not wait for Saki to tell you. He will end up telling you lies. Why do you trust him so much as if he is the one who passed the judgement. Supposing he is one of the 19 mentioned in the document, do you think he will be able to list the names that you are requesting. Wake up and be indpendent in seeking information.

15. #13,You could be right but you know where I operate from the risks are high and I cannot afford to do 24/7? Tell me , are you self employed?And if you are what are the profit margins that you work on per day, week , month?I like to learn very much but the only mistake you made was to assume that I was sleeping, nacicelela ku chipatala mune mukumona ba FTJ kabili bonse imwe mwalibataluka after mwashita utu MBO ukumubomba 24/7, nomba ifwe fwe ba tasha ulwa mayanda ya council, we have chosen to see justice to the end so that this man supposedly ‘condemned’ receives fair judgement.In bemba we say ‘ukulu utensha umulwele eko nokumina eko akuminako’ meaning the smae leg you are treating of a sick person its the same leg that chap will use to kick you with’ and this is what is exactly happening in Zambia.But dont cheap to work 24/7 and yet you have amai nini pasopo, pantu ukasha ilelila

16. #15, Kuku
    Do not worry. All I need is your email address. I can then send you the gross magins of my business. Otherwise on the brog it is too open and frail to the public. No amai nini. I worked with these guys in their country. For your survivor you need to have more than one job. That means working during day time and also in the night with limited time to rest. Only during summer holiday do you have enough time to rest. That risk you are talking about is really regretable. If the government machinery was serious, Zambian enterpreneurs were supposed to be working 24 hours this time without any fear of being attacked. This is why we say that developemnt can not be hindered by corruption alone. Corruption is one of the many factors. The other thing we need to concentrate on is to build capacity in the instituitons. Once we have formidable instituions in place, all the fears and risks will be of the past. Let’s look at this from the bigger picture point of view. Not corruption perse.

17. Kuku,
    Send me the results of the footbal match as soon as they are out. Thanking you in advance.

18. It is amazing to see how politicians behave after drinking a cup of tea at state house. Sakwiba must really be the last one to condemn Chiluba because as a prominent lawyer he should be defending the sovereignty of Zambia.

    Where in the World has an African court ever passed judgement on a European leader? Please give us dates and the country where that occurred.

    Saki is becoming too ambitious.

19. Truly Zambian (#18), maybe you should begin by asking which European leader was ever accused of stealing money from his European country to buy properties in Africa and to pay Boutiques in Africa. Once you answer that question, it is easy to see why an African court may never ‘try’ a European leader on those grounds. Taking the Chiluba case to London has nothing to do with Zambia’s sovereignity. Remember that the accusations are that London and other cities in Europe were used by Chiluba and his co-accused to defraud the Zambian people. Taking the case to London makes it easier to enforce any judgement. On that score, I commend the Attorney General: it is easier to look at the evidence in London than in Lusaka and also the judgement is binding immediately in Europe. After the London judgement, Chiluba cannot dispose of any European property that is a subject of the London judgement. If the case was still in Lusaka, with Chiluba’s games, we would still be without any judgement.

20. Mupundu #19, Firstly I will start with 400 years of slavery (1400-1800) when African men & women were ferried from Africa packed in boats like sardines. Do you know who was responsible for taking of 28 Million people against their will? Have African people ever received any compensation at all? Do you know who masterminded the murder of Patrice Lumumba – 1st Prime Minister of Zaire? Remember Zaire is potentially the richest planet on earth.

    Mpundu please name one African safe haven banking facility like Geneva? Are you telling me only African leaders have secret bank accounts?

    “Emancipate yourself from mental slavery non but ourselves can free our minds”. (Bob Marley)

    If you have time read the book – the colour purple.

21. #15, Kuku,
    Iwe Chi Kuku, you have slept again. Hopeless bemba chap. Wake up and contribute. Can you not see that your colleagues are contributing through out the night.

22. Anonymous, pipo contribute at different times because they are in different parts of the world, remember time zones in social studies?
    “Truly Zambian” #18,20, it appears you are very obsessed with equating FTJ criminality to Zambian sovereignty. You bring this argument of yours every other day, albeit inappropriately. To be honest, there are many things we can do to express our sovereignty and defending FTJ’ thefts should NOT even be on the list.
    Bob Marleys Song: please listen to it again, I am of the view you really have to free yourself. Dont be paranoid about white pipo. You are enslaved and when you hear anything white you switch your defences…anticipating more slave treatment, even when they dangle a carrot.

23. #22,
    Which part of the world are you writing from?

24. #20,Truly Zambian,do you read books or you are just told tales by your uncles? Slavery was not forced on the black person,the Chiefs sold his prisoners in return for gun’s and other merchadise.It was a 2 way system.400 years on you are still thinking of slavery,what would have happened had your ancestors participated in the world war and had the “hiroshima bombing” been dropped in your village? Japanese have forgotten about it and have forged on and today they are competing with USA and other powerful nations.You blame the white man,he’s atleast innovated something and today you are on the internet because of his innovation. What has your “sovereignity” invented apart from witch-hunting the successful one’s?Your parents sent you to school for a reason and dont disappoint them.Make Africa a different place and not the “dagga songs” from Bob Marley.Last reminder “demand for slaves was low and supply was high”,if you know what that means.Blame your ancestors

25. I have asked pointed questions on safe haven banking facilities in Africa. Secondly I asked whether its only African leaders who have secret bank accounts in Cayman Islands and Geneva. Do you know the value of those secret bank accounts? Again Kayata and Hey need analytical skills. Do you know for instance that the poorest country on the planet in 1952 was South Korea? Why have they developed? Who helped them?

    Don’t give me stories about the Japanese. I will listen to you if you give examples on Israel because they survived the pogroms of Hitler and formed a State in 1948. Nazis murdered Six Million Jews but Israel is 2nd to USA in terms of technological patents. Israel is a great democratic outpost. But again the question is who is helping the Jews develop?

    “Emancipate yourself from mental slavery”.

26. Truly Zambian (#20), no one can justify what the West did to Africa over the centuries. Fine, we have never been compensated for the slave trade and never will. Does that mean we now allow Chiluba and his co-accused to steal from us (these are the serious allegations he needs to answer to), keep money in safe havens in Europe and not pursue him because doing so with the help of the coloniser (Britain) is unacceptable! That beats my logic!! Do you seriously feel that the West’s ills are enough justification for us to now allow our own leaders to perpetuate our suffering by stealing from Africa to invest in the West. My take is that we cannot go on blaming the West if our own leaders continue to rape and rob our poor nations. We will never develop our lot as a people when the little that we generate as poor nations are taken with impunity by our leaders. Chiluba sold off the little sources of national revenue to capitalists from the West: did he ever think of sovereignity then?

27. #20(Truly Zambian), no one can justify what the West did to Africa over the centuries. Fine, we have never been compensated for the slave trade and never will. Does that mean we now allow Chiluba and his co-accused to steal from us (these are the serious allegations he needs to answer to), keep money in safe havens in Europe and not pursue him because doing so with the help of the coloniser (Britain) is unacceptable! That beats my logic!! Do you seriously feel that the West’s ills are enough justification for us to now allow our own leaders to perpetuate our suffering by stealing from Africa to invest in the West. My take is that we cannot go on blaming the West if our own leaders continue to rape and rob our poor nations. We will never develop our lot as a people when the little that we generate as poor nations are taken with impunity by our leaders. Chiluba sold off the little sources of national revenue to capitalists from the West: did he ever think of sovereignity then?

28. #20, no one can justify what the West did to Africa over the centuries. Fine, we have never been compensated for the slave trade and never will. Does that mean we now allow Chiluba and his co-accused to steal from us (these are the serious allegations he needs to answer to), keep money in safe havens in Europe and not pursue him because doing so with the help of the coloniser (Britain) is unacceptable! That beats my logic!! Do you seriously feel that the West’s ills are enough justification for us to now allow our own leaders to perpetuate our suffering by stealing from Africa to invest in the West. My take is that we cannot go on blaming the West if our own leaders continue to rape and rob our poor nations. We will never develop our lot as a people when the little that we generate as poor nations are taken with impunity by our leaders. Chiluba sold off the little sources of national revenue to capitalists from the West: did he ever think of sovereignity then?

29. Sorry for the duplicate messages gentlemen!

30. I concur with Kayata (#24) and still have problems make sense out of Truly Zambian (#25). Are you, #25, saying that because it’s not only African leaders with secret accounts in Safe Havens (Cayman Islands, Geneva etc), then we should let Chiluba and his co-accused scot free? Please, tell me that is not your argument!!! I think, when we talk of “emancipation from mental slavery”, the phrase was meant to include emancipation from a mindset that believes that one’s fate (our collective fate as poor nations) is entirely in the hands of others (West). As long as you continue blaming the West, forget about development. China, India, Vietnam, many Asian economies are looking up and there is nothing even the US can do to stop them. Why? Can you argue that they are being supported by the West? What is it that these people did that we as Africans are not doing collectively? I think part of the answer lies in how these nations took responsibility for their own destinies, not blaming others!

31. Mpundu(#30) you have a point there “not blaming others”,Africa has the most potential source of energy and water sources,but look at the situation,anyway….I too didnt manage to understand T.Z #25, what his argument is, but the reason why there is no “safe haven” in Africa like Geneva,is because of instability.Truly Zambian #25,in 1950-53,there was war in Korea,and that contributed to korea’s poor economy.It was trying to gain independence from Japan.The South Korean’s were helped by US & UN during and after the war.The US helped also Europe to recover after the world war.Those Jews who fled Hitler’s rule were recruited in the US army because they knew how to defeat Hitler,and the compesation they were given was the formation of a state in 1948 called Israel,else they were destined for Uganda,Africa.America is run by Jews and that will answer your question why Israel is second to America.

32. Truly Zambian #18, 20, 25; Kayata 24,21 and Mpundu 19, 27-29. Good points from all of you. Although some of the wounds that Africa continues to lick today are self-afflicted, a significant part is engineered from outside. While I respect the observation of # 26, I totally disagree with his #19. Of course I would urge my Zambians and fellow Africans not to slumber into self pity, (#24) we can fight to liberate ourselves economically just as we did politically, even though that battle is still an ongoing one. Democracy, as President Chiluba put it, is not absolute. This, even Francis has acknowledged that is not as easy as it sounds.

33. Today the world’s so called democratic countries are not “absolute democrats” as they so claim. If they were the UN would have one country one vote! London Metal Exchange was not going to be in England where the buyer and not the seller would determine the price! Failure to play according to the “referee’s rules” (the West) and not the rules of the game (democracy) would make your goods stockpiled, affecting your trade, plummeting your currency! Zambia’s, exchange rate favours those countries that can come and “rape” your country while you cannot do the same to theirs (unequal playing field). Whatever scale you could use it will never add up to see most mineral rich African countries with an exchange rate of $1:4,000 or more. This is by design. If certain people believed in democracy (majority decision), no veto powers could be allowed, the U.N. could not be monopolized by a few nations and vetoing should not be in a handful of some “chosen” people. Similarly, we do not have “Zambian or African interests” as our friends have “American interest, British interests or French interests,” which they will defend whenever yours come up against theirs. For this same reason IMF and WB give “Kaloba” for a purpose. I therefore, understand and support # 20’s call for need for emancipation of our minds. For your further reading I strongly recommend, “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man,” by John Perkins or New African Magazine.

34. Saki you are a fearless man who should stay away
    from satamina,Very correct the short man should pay
    back the cash it`s because he listen to his brother`s thats why his in a mess it`s the duty of every Zambian
    to ensure that the stolen money is brought back.

35. ASIDE WITH POLITICS,SAKWIBA AS A ZAMBIAN HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL THE LABELLED CRIMINAL TO PAY BACK THE MONEY.WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT POLITICS HERE.

36. #35, good point BUT very very very weak.

37. Great Britain is a beacon of justice both in Europe and the World. In UK once your case is before a competent court, newspapers do not comment on the matter until justice has been dispensed. But alas in Zambia people are called all sorts of names even when a case is before courts, this in turn puts undue pressure on Judges to side with stupid editorial comments. In some cases the UK judges have had to gag the press failure to which they will pay a heavy price. I can give examples if need be.

    FTJ & Co has been labelled robbers even before a criminal court finishes its business. I am sorry the judge handling FTJ’s criminal case in Lusaka courts is very timid in respect to POST editorials.

38. At last Truly Zambian #37, has praised GB, i am so suprised because she usually views anything ‘white’ as imperialism. What happenend so suddenly? What a turn around, or is it just a preamble to raise the issue of the posts comments

39. Saki’s comment is just yet another of a vocal few who are bent on putting their names on the list of those wanting to be remembered that they are around in politics. Generally Saki is okay as an individual but I think he has missed a point here. He surely thinks because judge Bwana smith has said Chiluba should “pay back” its gospel truth and should be easily done that way? I think he would do well to be kind a sober. It’s unfortunate in this country there is this behaviour where pipo are “led by the smell of a carcass (in the name of Chiluba in this case)and dont want to be the last to grab a piece” in order to register their presence. Kalaki would call it typical “hyena-like” mentality. I hope he doesnt fall prey to the hate media trying to garner blind support from unsuspecting innocent individuals

40. I want to correct the impression that I have agreed with the London judgement. I have not done so because of issues that border on sovereignty on the Zambian state. Gentlemen I value 24th October 1964.

41. # 35 GK, Thanks for your comments. Yes you are right we are not talking about politics or sports here but about the economy and Zambia, a colony of Great Britain!

42. #40 Truly Zambian,what do you value about 24th October 1964? The day that Zambia got indendependy from ….., but are you better off now or then…? We are still not yet independentmy friend,you are the people talking about Smith’s judgement and donor’s funding your budget,and everyday loans from China and everything turning Chinese in Zambia etc….Where is the independency? Been independent is to be free from all social,economical and political been.Independency (decolonisation) has been negative in Africa because of selfish leaders like Mugabe,KK,Nyerere,Mandela etc

43. I have no doubt in the corridors of my heart that Chiluba abused the trust of the Zambian people. Although he refuses the authority of the London court, he has and cannot come clean, to the Zambian people over why huge chunks of money, from a state intelligence account were used as dish-outs to tailors in foreign countries and as stupendous gifts to his children. The legality of the fact that it is a London Court that has tried and convicted him must be a matter for legal professionals to guide us. I have not heard any robust challenge of the authority of the London Court from a lawyer since the judgement.
    Having said that, I have a serious problem with the intentions and actions of government over this case and judgement. The government has not come clean on why they have not executed the judgement – just a lot of smoke and hot air, but no action or substance. What does this mean about the uprightness and commitment of this government? Or are they simply wasting our time?

44. Saki,you are right ! FTJ Kafupi is a thief and should accept and pay back.

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