THE Lusaka High Court has ordered companies and banks that hold money on behalf of former President Kenneth Kaunda to transfer it to a consortium of lawyers’ account to service the debt he owes in legal fees.
This is in a case in which lawyers from law firms are owed legal fees amounting to US$645,526.26 by Dr Kaunda.
The law firms include Central Chambers, Andrea Masiye and Company, Dove Chambers, Lukona Chambers and Mvunga and Associates.
Deputy High Court Registrar Jones Chinyama directed that the cited companies should appear before him on June 19, and show cause why they should not give the money to a consortium of lawyers.
The companies include Zambia National Commercial Bank, Barclays Bank, Standard Chartered Bank, Stanbic Bank, Indo-Zambia Bank and Investments Bank. Others are Zambia National Holdings Limited, United Quarries Limited, Dora Tamane School and E.W Tarry’s.
The order was made following an application by the lawyers that the named companies and banks pay them the debts, dividends, profits, rentals due or any money accruing to Dr Kaunda and UNIP, which they were holding.
The legal fees accrued when the lawyers represented Dr Kaunda in cases, which included the misprision of treason, which attracted a fee of US$171,726.25, citizenship case with a cost of US$150,000, and the black mamba case with a cost of US$90,475.
Other cases in which they represented Dr Kaunda were the alleged Kabwe assassination attempt and illegal assembly with a cost of US$ 45,825 and the 1996 presidential petition case.
The legal fees which the lawyers are demanding were agreed upon in a consent order on April 27,1999 after Dr Kaunda disputed the initial fees.
It is alleged that the former President and UNIP undertook to settle the fees but to date they have not done so.
Can someone please come forward and pay these bills for the old man.let us not drag even the first president through the mud.Most zambians have forgiven him for his many mistakes but i can assure you these lawyers will stop at nothing to get their money (they probably are entitled to it anyway).
#1 Lawyers never forgive, example is Chuchu who has failed to forgive his good friend (according to him) FJT, VJ and others. The old man have a lot money, he can afford to pay for himself or his many sons, grandsons who are well to do can pay on his behalf.
When these lawyers Jumped to defend Kaunda we all thought the work was pro bono and the lawyers were doing it out of principal.
Alas !!! these lawyers are all the same. There interest is always to make money. Same in Chiluba’s cases only the Nchito brothers, Sangwa and Simeza will be the winners.
Shameless thieves.
We will mobilise to contribute towards these bills for Kaunda. His cases were genuine.
Well, there is a national under Lawyers for you. All the Lawyers in Zambia are now wealthy. They drive the best cars, go to the best places, live in the best houses, have the best property in the most sought after areas and have the best farms in the best areas..what more can you ask for. Even my landlord who owns a block of flats of a liquidated company is a lawyer. When did getting a law degree guarantee such wealth in such a short time. Hopefully we can have a Doctor in State house and liberate us poor Doctors, twachula pa fula.
if KK was not found guilty on any of the cases stated then the state must pay his bills.
I agree with # 5 the state should take some form of responsibility. For instance here in South Africa,the state paid for Jacob Zuma’s legal bills i dont see why the Zambian government cant pay for our dearest KK.
never trust a lawyer te? so may it be with Chuchu? chuchu takatashe ifyo ba FTJ, takatashe VJ pantu in lawyer. all lawyers are thieves te? kashi na chuchu nao nipupu?
you dirty laywers leave bashi Cheswa (KK) alone. KK alibaza kale nomba mwayamba mind game te? you thieves.
It is not just that the State should pay. What kind of judgement did these lawyers get for KK? If the judgement (obtained by the lwayers) was with costs, then the State has to pay and the suckers must approach LPM for payment. If the lawyers were negeliegent and did not Seek costs, they should not embarrass KK. KK has argued in the past that these lawyers took the case pro bono. Zambian lawyers are the most greedy and unethical world over. They will keep taking momey even when the case is not ‘moving’ – I have experienced this. LAZ must step in and stop this. When you take a case pro bono, you do it out of principle and cannot turn around to demand payment after the case is won.
KK should pay his bills. The man has the capacity to do so. The lawyers are asking for what is due to them. The old man and his advisers knew what they were getting into when they approached the lawyers for thier services. I totaly disagree with Chimwemwe (john shoes), the state is already paying the mans pension for life, why should they pay the mans legal bill. KK is a humanist so he should pay his own bill so that the state can concentrate on delivering services to the poor. Its not like the man can’t pay, to the contrary his is one of the richest if not the richest surviving freedom fighter and UNIP cadre. Most of his mates in the struggle died poor and destitute no pension, nothing. Let him pay its only fare.
Lawyers make money because they work for it.Period. You can not compare a lawyer to a politician. Why do people get coned by Nigerians through just sending an email? This is because they want to make money without working for it. Us The Elite know that one of the laws of Physics says ‘Energy can not be created or destroyed’.Period. In short you can not make something out of nothing. Let KK pay the debts or else his assets will be frozen including his pension.
#19
There is no need to lose your head and go off tangent..
Look at the merits of the issue at hand.
If you must Know KK’s was withheld for more than five years by the Chiluba Government. The retirement due to UNIP Government officials were repealed by the first parliuament under MMD.Those who had received their pension were persued and the money recovered from them.One of the the surving freedom fighters who have still not recieved their freedom are people like Grey Zulu.
Chiluba must pay these fees because he caused the fake black mamba case, the Kabwe shooting, the pantimime coup detat and these cases led to all this to happen. He falsely accused people in UNIP in order to destroy the party. These cases must be added to Chiluba’s mischief. Chiluba should also be charged for negligence which caused the death of our entire national team in 1993. He was the one who ordered the pilots to fly that defective buffalo plane against expert advice. He must be jailed for that.
Ba Chimba (Cardiff)(9),KK is a humble man and if only you knew how the man really lives. You qualify for inclusion on the long list of “fantasists” who think the man is rich.FTJ topped that list and engaged Scotland Yard to “find” this money…..of course there was none to be found !!! Maybe KK should pay his bills in realistic instalments based on his pension earnings(that will teach those greedy lawyers to get at least a deposit!!)Fantasists say KK’s children are rich and can pay……….only a few can be considered as doing well and i can assure you, even they cannot afford to pay $600,000.Citizen(11) explains why the other freedom fighters are poor or even dead.Remember those freedom fighters were just that…..mostly uneducated and through no fault of their own could not compete in business with the graduates they helped produce…the end result was abject poverty despite sacrificing to enable Zambians like those in Cardiff to have a passport to show with some pride.
#13,dont out do Chimba, go back to the terms of reference, KK engaged these lawyers with full knowledge that the bill will be settled by himself on one part and UNIP on the other part, this is a purely personal matter which must be settled by Kk.The state has nothing to do with this.If the man cant pay let him be declared bankrupt,there are no exceptions to this rule its either you pay or you are declared bankrupt.KK lost this case with costs, he should have known that from onset but because he is as stubborn as a black mamba he thought he was going to win.Old man just pay,had Saddam been alive he would have chipped in but too bad KK just pay.Ba Pundit#13 you are the one who should be labelled a fanatic because you are operating on hearsays.
Chimba dont worry,anyother person would spent on your education after independence, it was your right not a favour
Ba Ipod, please write using ur brains and not your emotions. Seems KK is your grandfather. KK knows that lawyers do their job to be paid because they are in business. Pundit, you are not a financial adviser for KK nor indeed for the so called freedom fighters. Some of these pipo are very rich notwithstanding what you say. Make a point from an informed position. KK is ver rich mind you. Thats why those banks and companies have orderd. KK owns them period. When pipo talk about Kafupi having stolen it doesnt mean KK is an angel. The other thing is that this country has been informed at no point did scotland yard came to investigate KK, rather they came to investigate the death of his son. Get the facts right and avoid basing your contributions on unsubstantiated media reports, usually simply created by dreaming editor.
KK pay your bills to help the “poor” lawyers!!! You have the companies.
#13 Pundit ala Bashi Panji indalama shena balikwata, belaponta nokuponta Lesa tafwaya, ala tabakashisende ku manda shikashala. Let him just pay the lawyers, after role he is not giving them as a token of appreciation, they worked for it. In any case Bashi Panji does not for anything, no tax, no water bills, no electricity bills, no telephone bills and no rent. His moneys just earn interest whereever it is.
Pelete(14)and Joe(15) i do agree KK should pay.My point is that it should be on the basis of his apparent pension earnings.I don’t think declaring a former president bankrupt is an ideal precedent. I didn’t mean to sound emotional or indeed to “defend” the Kaunda’s. Please note the companies referred to belong to National Holdings which is the commercial arm of UNIP.Even MMD have one.The banks mentioned are where both National Holdings and KK hold accounts.With regard to the Scotland Yard issue,I stand corrected, thank you.Don’t you find the precedent set in South Africa (refer to Chimwemwe (6) )an interesting sentiment. Lawyers like all others must be paid their dues.I do find the fees rather exhorbitant or am i just ignorant of the prevailing fee structure.
KK is the first president of Zambia who should be a living example of integrity. If you go and ask for service be it from a plumber, garden boy or a lawyer you should be prepaired to pay the dues. KK can afford to pay his bills he doesnt just feel like paying. He hard all the time to workput a payment plan with the parties involved if he didnt want to pay K6BN at once. Pay the lawyers they did their job. Lawyers can not guarantee the out come of the case. What they charge for is their time spent on the case.Pandits…The question is not how exhorbitant the fees are he agreed to the terms. If he didnt have the money to pay he should have go to legal Aid at Kabendekela house. He could have got himself some inept public defender from there.KK just pay, stop embaracing yourself. And stop acting like the country owes you. The amount he gets from GRZ is enough for him to service his bills. Just grow up and start being responsible for your life for once. Or we will start reading surdanis book
Let the debate flow. I am enjoying it.
MWANAWASA,KK’s policies made what you are now. Our dear father was not found guilty to the charges against him by the chiluba administration.They did not want to eat gvt.money with him.chiluba is in deep shit right now,so take up the bill.Even people like, MUGABE(ZIMBABWE),ANC LEADERSHIP(present & retired) The SWAPO of namibia,SANTOS OF ANGOLA, mozambique,botswana should come in and help the father of southern africa independence.He is ours “ZAMBIA” lets cherish his contrbution in our lives.
Manchita, you make a mistake you pipo when you attribute southern african independence singularly to KK. KK was just leader at the time. Millions of dollars used was not for KK but for Zambians, it explains why we are in this depth of poverty. Unfortunately you pipo honour one person instead of a country. Even the benefits he gets from the liberated countries likes SA he gets them alone and Zambia does not benefit e.g house given to him in SA. Any other Zambian is looked upon with suspicioun in SA as though everybody go there for jobs. By the the way there no case where the state or Chiluba took Kaunda to court for anything. But I agree that both Kaunda and Chiluba were indeed taken to court on their citizenship. Except Kafupi hasn’t been as lack as KK as court has even contuned after his term. Infact KK himself locked Kafupi up. So there is nothing special about KK just like FTJ. Let him pay to help lawyers serve the public better.
Shouldn’t the “grateful ” people of Zambia first start a Save The Kaunda Fund before we go begging to SWAPO,ANC etc etc.? Manchita(20) is a victim of the dependency syndrome (i mean no offence). Whenever we Zambians are in need of help we are quick to look to the outside for a solution.SAGE(18) could it be there was a verbal agreement that the cases were pro bono??
lawyers are vultures,chuchu is grabbed unza land, crucifying bashi tito abamupele plot 1. chongwe vultured kavindele, mumba kapumpe vulturted musonda, list is endless.
AM#16, bashi cheswa needs amaikalile nakumatwi ntondolo. so aba lawyer must leave WORLD ICON alone. KK is next to Mandela in popularity in Africa and best kuma morals. chuchu tell your classmates stop stealing ubwiminine.
MANCHITA.. I dont understand where you are coming from. KK can afford to pay the bill. He has the money. Do you know how much he is paid when he gives speeches? That man is doing fine he can afford to pay the bill. You are talking like we owe him our lives. When KK talked about supporting freedom fighters(grey Zulu). LPM said and i quote “why doesnt KK share all the money he gets from speaches overseas with his friend GZ”. He is not broke he he makes more than $1M a year from his tours and speaches. Let him start learning to buget and balance his personal accounts. Its called responsibility. We all pay our bills why shouldnt he.
The lawyer on death bed asks for the Bible from his wife.
The wife without hesitation gives it to him and he reads from Genesis to Revelations repeatedly.
His wife asks him: ‘What are you doing?’
In his reply, the lawyer answers: ‘I’m looking for loop-holes’.
Joe, it would be nice to know how old you are. I have never been an emotional person, and am sure if you knew me, you would withdraw your statement.
What is emotional about stating and interpreting facts? Don’t you know that all those cases involving KK were trumped up cases without a basis? Don’t you know that the Gabon plane crash was Chiluba’s fault and that is the reason why the report was never released in Zambia.
I have total respect for KK as a man and as as a leader. I would not be ashamed if you think I respect him like my grandfather because I do. That is fine.
Ipod.. What has the Garbon crash got to do with KK’s failure to pay his legal fees. No one is talking about not respecting KK, We all know he was a leader. He hired lawyers he must pay them. Thats the question. When you are taken to court and you win the case you can sure your acusers to pay the legal fees in most cases the judge dismises the case with costs to the loosing side. He should have known that. Just pay the bills and stop bringing in irrelevant issues. Trumped up or not He hired lawyers who spent time,electricity,computers,transportation to defend him. Let him be honourable and pay the dues.
Trumped up charges are a very silly way of fighting opposition in Africa.Such charges are aimed at ensuring the poor can never have justice and this is what Chiluba planned to do with UNIP. Weaken them by keping them busy chasing the winds while he loots the country without any decent. We must wake up and see things for what they are. Can you imagine if these lawyers told KK to pay such sums before they represented him? Kafupi would have been laughing. Such schemes can destroy a democratic society and must be discouraged because that is criminal. This is the reason why we need to look at what Chiluba was doing and why he was doing it. Chiluba must be made to pay these bills as well because he is the one who created those fake cases.
#28 You appear to be adrift with facts.Read the passage and stop hallucinating.KK requested for these services at his own peril.you cannot bring in chiluba at all, this man KK if you dont IPOD is a miser and mean person I have ever seen on earth.The chap has money,He went and taught at Boston University do you know how much money he was paid? Grey Zulu his old time friend this man could not even give him a penny, Enock Kavindele had to come to his rescue and you feel pity for this heartless man?Shame on you IPOD if you have music go and play for him so that he realises that he has debts to settle.He has been stubborn ever since this bill was given to him in 1999 but today the chap is stinking rich.Stop feeling sorry for this crook, he just has to pay .period.You guys who are pitying such a man are brainwashed to the core.Use your brains to analyse things not your legs.This man deserve no mercy , he messed up Kebby Musokotwane at Namuyuni becoz of greediness.KK pay and get a receipt
I don’t even know if this is a topic worth discussing.If you contract a lawyer to help you with a case, you have to pay for that service.Let’s discuss more progressive issues.Kaunda is the past, we have the present and future to look to.
I always read the contribution that come on the blog and I have stopped reading contribution from some of u.You know yourselves jose and co.Its amazing how this pipo can speak on behalf of KK not paying fellow zambian for their hard working and then they turn round and say foreign investers are abusing zambian.If u think these lawyers do not deserve to be paid by one of the richest men in zambia then u are saying zambian sweat is worthless.Pipo grow up and start looking at issues objectively.My advise to the old man is there are so many ways to deal with this matter than to allow everyone to know including those that have eyes but can’t see.Big Sage continue educating these pipo lest they think there are no smart brains in zambia.
Kc#30, we need to discuss on anything that is brought to this Fora , and so far we have all shown intrest but you.Don’t just comment go and discuss on other issues on the blog.
Thanks KC,Kambilombilo and Pelete. I think IPOD got it. The other thing my friend IPOD if this was an essay you would probably get a ZERO. Look at the facts ,subject and then read your own coments @ #28. The question is not about the charges. The issue is about none payment of the fees by a wealthy man. He has the money but he is greedy with no regard for integrity. I bet if he was in the USA his credit score would be bellow 200. Imagin if Boston university refused to pay him for the stint. The whole world would know. But this is a former president with a lot of money and he would rather bring his integrity into question than pay what is due to the lawyers. I dont understand this man. If he engaged these lawyers to negotiate the bills probably they could have cut the bill in half. His problem is he still thinks we owe him something. Old man just pay and get a reciept
#32 Hey, simply put,this is a very straight forward issue.I am not stopping anybody from rendering an opinion.All I am saying is KK should quietly settle his debt(s) to the lawyers.It is embarrassing for such news items to hit the headlines.
Ma lawyers tabali bacikwangala pe.They render services for which they must be paid.But this bill njobapa
bamudala is just too astronomical.May be the ANC will help out.
May I ask a question or two, what is use of all that money KK is being paid, If he cant pay his bills? When he is going to use the money he is getting from speeches, traveling, pension and others? Remember the man is 83+ and we all know what that means. Surely at 83+ one will be spending money not saving?
Lawyers get your money now, because once he dies u wont it get (not that I am wishing dead). His relatives from Malawi will come and feast on his estate and run away. Its now or never.
yes when kk didnt pay my mother we were there suffering my mum was one of his lawyers, i never spent xmas with her because she was trying to get him out of jail.. I think KK is a very ungrateful man.. n i hope he pays whats due.. i saw it first hand and that man is a user he used my mum and dropped her like a face cloth when he was finished not paying her a cent for all the hard work she had done for him.. we suffered and now its time to get what the lawyers have worked for.. where have you heard people waking up at 4 in the morning because kk is arrested on xmas day and people say pro bono stuff.. pls lets see if u can go and do pro bono stuff on xmas day at 4 in the morning. that man is ungrateful and i dont like him he did well for zambia but for me personally i think he should pay up
yes when kk didnt pay my mother we were there suffering my mum was one of his lawyers, i never spent xmas with her because she was trying to get him out of jail.. I think KK is a very ungrateful man.. n i hope he pays whats due.. i saw it first hand and that man is a user he used my mum and dropped her like a face cloth when he was finished not paying her a cent for all the hard work she had done for him..
I dont see anything special about KK either! Just like the man after him he was greedy, and he still is. A man out for himself this is just one example of how this is true. If this man don’t even flicker an eyelid about his own, how the hell is he supposed to bother about other people who r not even family. Its a shame that some nice people got caught in some kind of belief/trust… I dont know maybe it was his juju. He is blood is mixed in my family but hey wena blood that is so close to him dont stir up nothing in his veins. Ba shikulu is cold. He has to pay up. No question about that. The only question I wonder is how he goin do it.
I dont see anything special about KK either! Just like the man after him he was greedy, and he still is. A man out for himself this is just one example of how this is true. If this man don’t even flicker an eyelid about his own, how the hell is he supposed to bother about other people who r not even family. Its a shame that some nice people got caught in some kind of belief/trust… I dont know maybe it was his juju. He is blood is mixed in my family but hey wena blood that is so close to him dont stir up nothing in his veins. Ba shikulu is cold. He has to pay up. No question about that. The only question I wonder is how he goin do it.
If the state does not want to foot KK’s bill then he should sue the Government for all the cases they brought against him and the never convicted him. It is only fair.He will probably get more money from all those fake charges they brought against him when he sues than when the state pays his 2.6 billion Kwacha.
Ipod No. 26, firstly the Gabon crash has nothing to do with KK paying the bills. Secondly if KK has a case with lawyers he should just deal with this case. Similarly if Chiluba has cases he should concentrate on his cases. “umulandu tawambukila” Lets not mix the cases here. The bottom line is KK has more than enough money to pay the “small” bill he has received from his lawyers period. I’d have equally loved to know how old you are, it seems you dont know much about KK’s legacy – not that all was bad, just like Kafupi’s – or if you do then you have just elected to ride on what favours your view points. Lets be objective and reasonable. As for the unfortunate plane crash I certainly know than you do looking at your uninformed position, but i dont blame you for it rather i blame the system. Nevers Mumba was fired partly because statements on this issue in parliament. Government knows what happened and did not happen. You think Chiluba would not have been given by LPM if your view was tru
#42 He will still need lawyers to represent him to sue the gvt, which means more legal bills. The solution is for him to pay full stop.
Mbulawa No.42, problem is that if he attempts to sue government for this, the cases might take a twist as govt would want to prove otherwise. For example they might just prove that he actually came walking at age 7 from Nyasaland as opposed to what you may have believed
WHO INSTIGATED THOSE ACCUASATIONS?LET HIM PAY,WHO EVER IS RESPONSONSIBLE,LET HIM PAY.LET JUSTICE BE DONE.NO FAVOURS HERE,THE PRINCIPLE SHOULD BE USED TO BALANCE ALL EQUATIONS,HUMAN OR MONITARY.
SO KK IS NOT THE ANGEL HE TRIES TO BE.HOW UNFORTUNATE.LETS ALSO GIVE CHICHI THE SAME SYMPATHY THAT PPO ARE SHOWING THE OLD MAN,AFTER ALL WE ARE ONLY HUMANS WE MAKE MISTAKES.
Consortium of lawyers! Hmmmmmmm. Was a ‘gang’ really necessary looking at the nature of theses cases. I mean, just at face value, even a fly could tell they were winnable! So why so many? I bet everyone of them wanted a piece of the old man’s well known goodwill on their CVs/profiles. And that’s precisely my point. KK should charge them for that.What needs to be done now is to price that goodwill and then offset the fees from their dues. Valuers, where are you? KK needs you most at this hour. Your payment? His goodwill.
I guess what I’m saying is that sometimes money is not everything.
Our ‘learned’ colleagues are involved in practically every agreement that Zambia contracts. Yet more often than not, things are skewed against GRZ. Need I mention the Donegal Inter’n vulture fund case, for instance…it came as a total surprise to Zambia. If the contracting lawyer at the time had agitated for a clause against purchase/redemption of the loan by a vulture fund, we would be $15m richer today. But sure as the sun, the lawyer got his fees paid. Shouldn’t they be made to account also?
#48 ,49 you dont sound normal in #48,what good will are you talking about?This was a pure legal case and has nothing to do with KK’s goodwill.KK was in a hurry to challenge article 4 and he went to the lawyers he thought were good.Technically KK forgot to renounce his malawian citizenship and this is what threw him out which of course his lawyers never paid attention to.There is nothing credible about KK, all the people he has supported are failures i.e Nkhomo,Savimbi,HH,now he is talking about Nervous Mumba.You are the chaps who worship KK like he owns your lives, grow up and see things divergently ,stop being myopic we are in a dynamic world where change management is at play
MK for get a lawyer doing anything that come from outside against it so long cash is involved. Vulture finds ask the west tell you its business. All what they know is to make money regardless of the means.
Donegal is part of IMF all what Africa need to do is find other sources of money like what our dear brothers in South America establish it own bank. MK tutemba the other friend will come and recue him by just twisting the law. That is why we need strong and independent courts. Recently I read an article where a lawyer tried to marry a already married man to another woman at his residence. What do you expect from such people useless. Kuku Kaunda is great leader and respected not only in Zambia but throught the world. You see he never shed blood to win independence for you to leave freely.
#51Easy calm down,KK is a great leader, Stalin,Musolin,JFK,Regan all these were great leaders but they should not use that to their advantage.KK went into business with those lawyers and with his greatness he should have honoured the deal quietly.But when things start spilling into the public from the greatman you start to wonder what makes him great.Its easy to lose your name than to gain it Mr Easy.Look at Jimmy Swaggart, Jesse Jackson, Dan pule because their stupidity they are where they are today.So my dear Easy dignity and gentleness must always prevail if you really wnat to maintan your greatness.And what do you mean with last sentence?KK never shed any blood he is still alive, its the people who sacrificed their lives for independence that matter to me.If your KK is not careful at the rate he is doing things he will remain with zero greatness.He has been found on the wrong footing in most serious circumstances- his weird comments over 148 Kuds killed by Sadam,
Its high time KK paid his bills failure to which bailiffs should seize his new house currently under construction. He was very quick to condemn FTJ and even twist matters. US$645000 is just the beginning. He owes Zamtrop account millions of US$ which he must repay when a new party takes over government and back dates the corruption fight to 1963.
There must be a check system for these legal fees. these lawyers are simply pippers and theives. i agree that the state should foot the bills if any. these chaps why did they pretend to help Super Ken and yet thet motive was to rip.nobateu ba ma-lawyer!
Kuku 51# who are you to group Kaunda with these dictators. Stalin as brautal to his own people he killed oppenents, Musolin was trant he masterminded the ww2. JFK attacked Viatenam for no reaseon he almost caused a WW3 thank Russia for threaten the USA. Sadam deserved a life imprisonment all the lies pooled him apart from killing Kurds proved otherwise.
#55 comment 51 is yours but that aside are you the only Zambian who did not know that KK was a dictator?How old are you and when where you born? Go back to your civics teacher and ask him about KK and his past misdeeds.Our only good Bishop elias Mutale died in a very suspicious way.Easy you sound like you are from sleep?Go in the post archives and read what KK said about the death of the Kuds.To me you must have been born in 1987.Ask around for information, or if you want mak arrangements with me for extra curriculum lessons
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