The Consitinuent Assembly is not an easy route to take in making a costitution.Â
The Chief Government Spokesperson said this is because setting up a Constituent Assembly will call for parliament to surrender some of its powers.
Mike Mulongoti said it is not likely that parliamentarians can agree to surrender their powers to facilitate the establishment of a Constitutent Assembly.
Mr. Mulongoti who is also Information Minister was speaking at a constitution seminar organised by the inter-religious federation for world peace.
He said the country might not have a new constitution by 2011 election if the constitution making process is done through the Constituent Assembly because it is a long route.
Ba Mulongoti elyo bashibwike nabo- Hez just making noise for nothing.
Ba-Jobe nomba atishani your sister???
The List of Wealthiest Women in Entertainment
1. Oprah Winfrey $1.5 billion
2. J.K. Rowling $1 billion
3. Martha Stewart $638 million
4. Madonna $325 million
5. Celine Dion $250 million
6. Mariah Carey $225 million
7. Janet Jackson $150 million
8. Julia Roberts $140 million
9. Jennifer Lopez $110 million
10. Jennifer Aniston $110 million
11. Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen $100 million
12. Britney Spears $100 million
13. Judge Judy (Sheindlin) $95 million
14. Sandra Bullock $85 million
15. Cameron Diaz $75 million
16. Gisele Bundchen $70 million
17. Ellen DeGeneres $65 million
18. Nicole Kidman $60 million
19. Christina Aguilera $60 million
20. Renee Zellweger $45 million
#3 Kayata, You mean Chiluba and his cohorts are within the Limits of Wealthiest Women in Entertainment from that money they stole. According to this list, Chiluba #19.5 while Chungu is at #11.
Mulungoti, we know that the CA is not an easy route to adopt in making a constitution but it has always produced the best output. Nearly every Jim and Jack through CA is involved in coming up with a constitution.
Mulongoti is simply expressing an opinion. We have parliamentarians who do not even know the constitution.How can we entrust the enactment of such an important law to these people.Zambians, wake up. Time has come for us to speak loudly about issues that affect us. For so long, we have listened to politicians singing.This is our country and we have every right to talk about what concerns us.
INSTANT BLOGGING APATHY JUST AFTER THE STATEHOUSE INDABA BTW GRZ AND THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS AT WHICH NGOS HAVE BEEN OUTRIGHTLY DENOUNCED.
You see, this is what sincere men who have refused to go by mob psychology of baseless wishful rhetoric predominant in our mushrooming Zambian blogs. Pragmatists have been nailing it the way facts are on the ground, but to no avail. Instead, every time these pragmatists have brought out facts, in our shallow heads, they are irrelevantly labeled shushushus. It’s like wee don’t even show competency or basic crew of how Shushushu do their challenging mission impossible tasks. Sadly, a lot of us here lack foresight, analytical skills of public policy affairs and wisdom. This is why the 27 year traditional rule is a matter of manifestation on our clock from UNIP to MMD is equal to 54 years straight. Only MMD inside strategists will stage manage change in internal consensus to bring up another revolutionary change under a different party name they will create towards the life cycle of the current MMD. The founders of the MMD were UNIP strategists. The same will happen towards the end of the 27 year rule of MMD. MMD strategists will birth up a new era party and never the current satellite parties bruising each other when ever Levy has opened up to see them . The New era ruling party will definitely come from among MMD strategists. Look at the Constitutional battle hijacked by ba Sata through Oasis Forum has been out-rightly lost and MMD has secured its way into 2012 towards their 27 year traditional rule finish line. All the drama is happening right in our day light eyes. The MMD strategists are not in direct political offices but in the background increasingly cementing their economic and policy strength. Evidently being shepherded towards leadership take over through Democratic means in the post Levy era.Its clear that the have will continue having it all for many years to come.
RSZ given chance
By EMELDA MWITWA in Lusaka and KASUBA MULENGA in Accra, Ghana
PRESIDENT Mwanawasa has said that Government may not revoke the concession of Railway Systems of Zambia (RSZ) if it proves that it can run the company more viably.
Speaking at Lusaka International Airport before his departure for Ghana for the African Union (AU) heads of State summit yesterday, Mr Mwanawasa clarified that the impending take-over was subject to discussion.
Meanwhile, President Mwanawasa arrived in Accra yesterday where he has joined several African leaders who are in Ghana to participate in the “grand debate†on the formation of an African government at the Ninth Ordinary Session of the Assembly of the African Union Summit.
Answering questions from journalists before departure, Mr Mwanawasa said if RSZ wanted to continue running the former Zambia Railways, the company’s management would have to satisfy him that it was capable of running the institution better than they it was doing now.
He said failure to do so would result in Government revoking RSZ’s concession, which was awarded about three years ago.
Asked on the legal impediments of withdrawing the 25-year-long concession from RSZ management the President said: “No, I have not said we have taken.
I said we would act.
Suggesting that the matter is subject to discussion.
If they satisfy me that they are capable of running it better than is the case now, they will continue, but if they are tired they will let us know.â€
At a World Economic Forum on Africa in Cape Town recently, President Mwanawasa told investors that the performance of RSZ was tragic and was almost grounding to a halt.
Meanwhile, President Mwanawasa has said the Ghana summit was crucial because it would consider the critical issue of a United States Africa government.
Mr Mwanawasa could not give his opinion on the proposed African government, but the he would make a decision on what he would feel was right.
“If you ask for my views, I have none.
I’m going there to listen to my colleagues.
I will make my decision on what I feel is right,†the President said.
AU advocates meeting held in Libya last month called for renewed unity, including the formation of a united government to run side by side with the African parliament and African bank.
The summit that has been preceded by meetings of the AU executive council, National Partnership for African Development (NEPAD) and several other AU peer review meetings which commenced on Monday last week.
Mr Mwanawasa, who touched down at Kotoko International Airport at 13:05 hours (local time), was received by Ghanaian Deputy Minister of Education, Youth and Sports Twmasi Ankrah, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mundia Sikatana, Minister of Sport, Youth and Child Development, Gabriel Namulambe and Deputy Minister of Education, Lucy Changwe.
Meanwhile, NEPAD secretariat chief executive officer, Professor Firmino Mucavele, has said Africa had great potential to compete with other developed continents but that it lacked the capacity to develop.
Prof. Mucavele said at a press briefing after attending an AU executive council meeting held at the Accra International Conference Centre that for Africa to fully unite, there was need for promotion of regional integration that would see the removal of trade barriers and enhance good governance on the continent.
Pan-African Infrastructure Development Fund chairperson and NEPAD founding member, Professor Wiseman Nkuhlu, said for Africa to achieve the desired development, there was need for public confidence and trust among leaders as well as accountability for public resources in government institutions.
Commonwealth secretary-general, Don McKinnon, is expected to attend the Ghana summit.
The AU summit, which is expected to be officially opened today, will close on Tuesday.
ekushikwata ifyaku voka uko mange ba nkoko naimwe. Mwilaisebanya pafula ka.Your RSZ chance is an archieve issue. I think ba Money Money Daddy aba nabamipesha amano ba nkoko tee? Its very clear Mwisho na Money Money Daddy yakwe alefikapo nomutende pa 2011. Ala Shi Chilufya Sata aletubikamofye ifimwela fyabufi ati ali no kutanfya Mwisho in 3 months from 2006? Those 90 days were fake tee Ba Joze we ba chola boy bakwa Shi Chilufya mulefimona shani ifintu?
Awe bati ba RSZ tabakwete fye plan ya mano. Transportation is one industry that remains profitable even in recessive economies. What is needed is major investiment in the rail way system in the country. Bring in electrical trains. These are able to do speeds above 280 Km/hr. 8 would be enough for a start, 4 for passengers, and the rest for other cargo. This would cut transport times to a third of what it is today, and make the train more attractive, competing out CR carriers and its cronies, and the haulage trucks which have all become a menace on our roads. By the way, these menacing transporters have been enjoying profits even during the recession, and have been able to get loans on that basis. Imagine cutting the transport time by land between Konkola and Durban to 20 hrs only. Transport systems in central EU, the Netherlands or Belgium for example, are a good example, that can be emulated here. You people in the diaspora see these things at work.
#8 Kuku,
This issue has been on the face of Sunday Mail for over a week now. How on earth can you laziliy go and copy and deposit it here? When I say this technology of copy and paste is breeding laziness in what sholud be our professionals please don’t object. It is only today that they have changed news on the face page of Sunday mail. Kuku please, desist from this copy and paste syndrome. This is no different from crooks law.
#4 Nkhataboy, You are correct,
Ref #3 is just a sign to show how lazy and petty african leaders and business people are. Look at amounts they are alleged to have misappropriated,and look at the figures the girls in entertainment are worth, yet Africa has the most potential and viable market to make on the world scene.
Did you know that the wealthy Black people in USA are more richer than the entire Africa’s wealth combined, yet they are the minority?
Africa is still looking at petty issues while the world is advancing.
Instead of competing, they always want handouts.
Lazy Africa, hence it’ll always remain in the control of IMF/WB and western countries.
#12 I have real deeply given it a thought before you made your posting. As much as I would agree with the figures given by #3 what mandates you to generalise that Africans are lazy. some you have lowered your wisdow on this issue even a grade 7 child understands there world much better. Are you were that IMF and World Bank are modern weapons created by USA/west after the atomic bomb. If today Zambia say he is pay his US$640 Million definately the find a way of bring this nation to suffering. May ask how old are you? Did you follow history? in 1980s it was Zambia, Argentina, etc who victims of IMF now they moved to Iran, Zimbabwe, Burma, Nigeria. Obansanjo paid Billons of dollars in March to cover up the debt but what is happening the country is increasing having more problems. If southern Africa dont solve the Zimbabwe crisis quickly you see them spreading to SA, Namibia, Zambia, Botswana. We might have a few who misuse their leadership but to generalise is not good.
Generalisations like the ones by #12 above are the ones that make the outsiders think of Africa as one country. Time magazine recently carried pictures of families having dinner. The American family was in a nice home, and so were the families from other contries and continents, but that of an African family was outside a hut in a refugee camp. C’mon now, is the whole of Africa housing in huts, and are all our families in refugee camps? Nestle, that food company makes annual sells that surpass the annual incomes of Botswana and Namibia combined. But the quality of life in these countries is much better than that in Congo which is estimated to have a yearly income of 10 Namibias. Honestly, where does someone begin to compare the earnings of a person in an economy worth Trillions of dollars to that of a person in worth just a few million of dollars? By the way, you need to have oil or diamonds if you are African and want to get into the trillion dollar cycles, but it has its problems.
Reuters – Saturday, July 7 06:35 pmHARARE (Reuters) – Zimbabwe’s President Robert Mugabe said on Saturday there was no need to create a new constitution, resisting opposition demands for a new charter before elections next year.
“President Robert Mugabe says the current constitution serves the nation well and there is no reason to change it,” state radio said, citing the president at a meeting of his ruling ZANU-PF party.
Critics say Mugabe — 83 and Zimbabwe’s sole ruler since independence from Britain in 1980 — has manipulated the existing constitution to tighten his grip on power.
The opposition has demanded a new draft before next year’s polls, in which the veteran leader says he will run.
Mugabe’s government has amended the constitution adopted at independence 17 times and last month proposed new changes to allow joint presidential and parliamentary polls in 2008.
Critics say the move may allow give ZANU-PF, which dominates parliament, a free hand to pick Mugabe’s successor and hurt mediation efforts by South Africa to help end a political crisis.
South African President Thabo Mbeki was tasked last March by regional heads to mediate between Mugabe’s ZANU-PF and the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC).
That followed sharply rising tensions after opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai and dozens of other MDC members suffered serious injuries after being arrested by police at an aborted prayer rally in Harare.
Mugabe accuses the MDC of being stooges of Zimbabwe’s former colonial power Britain in an effort to oust his government, as punishment for seizing and redistributing white-owned commercial farms to landless blacks.
The president has previously rejected calls for a new constitution. Last year, he told a group of church leaders pushing for political reforms that the current national charter was “sacrosanct”.
#2 Cyber, wacinja amano futi. I thot niwe pimp so that you can pimp pakashi and have access to free transport pa interz.Do something mwaice, you have all the potential and quality yabu pimp kwati ni KAKA uyucita pimp kuli Cifire na chuchu te?
#9 Boko, mwaice ifyamba ifisuma but ngawa-byila oversize fibi. Check your comments kwati untu wapwisha ukunua kacina or chinika with na makapa stuck kutumwefyu. Grow up young man. Sata Chilufya nisimbi. Now tell me which MPs are pushing MMD to fullfil their promises? The answer is PF only.
#13 & 14, would you please read #15 and look at the happenings around the world and come to your conclusion.
Knowledge is created by the learner and not the teacher.
Kayata, it’s fine for you to air any of your views in any media, it’s also okay for you to let us know that you last installment of O.K. magazine had something that really got you going!!
It’s also okay for you to humbly accept your stereotype, becoz I know that proud & hard working blacks like myself don’t just roll onto our backs as your so called masters passby, but we stand up to challenges & prove our worth!!
Mulongoti as ever trying to pull wool over the electorates eyes; Parliament, my dear shortsighted & short friend is constituted by members put there by the electorate to serve the electorate, therefore if the electorate say they want to give power to the CA, parliament as representatives will have to go by the electorates will, it’s infact the reason why we want the CA becoz we have realised that parliament has an inherent weakness, in that some spineless MP’s just can’t stand the allure of money that is waved under their noses by people like you, so don’t give us the sort of crap you are trying to propound!!
#18 Dr Bauze, info #15 relates to exactly what’s happening in Zed where pipo in power what to use all methods that can suit them to remain in power. Thus, the book of RUFQUA refers to that as ” to fix or to be fixed”, this is the scenarion in most African countries. Zim has so far amended the constitution 17 times while Zed has just done it 4 times and all those have based on suiting pipo in power.
On Mulongoti, I agree with you Dr Bauze, the chap has forgotten that its the pipo that made him what he is and he should not suppress and oppress them for the sake of chuchu.
Manje “Ba Joze”, ine sinali ku kamba pali #15, manje na sokoneza, kuti ndimwe muli na identite ablili, vis a vis Bajoze et Kayata??
It’s very difficult to know the government’s stance on the constitution. Everyday there is someone making a pronouncement of one sort or another. One minute they are denouncing NGOs and telling people that they should leave the process to the politicians. The next minute they are meeting with bishops and saying everyone will be included. Now this man is telling the people of Zambia that parliamentarians will not give way to the wishes of the people and relinquish their hard won powers. Did these MPs get their power from God? Zambia, like any other country in the world, gets the leaders she deserves. Things will only improve when Zambians stop selling their votes for instant gratification. This includes cadres who blindly do anything in return for a few scraps that may fall from their masters’ table. The people who have actually run Zambia, now and in the past, were the unelected ones, e.g. Kunda, Mwaanga, etc. Even LPM realises that the quality of elected MPs is poor!
#7 iwe wabwela futi using another name, paparazi..veteran and now u r pundit. U seem to still have been so hurt when u were labeled shushushu and u gave us examples that G. Bush senoir and putin were also intelligence pipo. Psychologically u alluded the allegation that was set before u and u seem to want to follow the footsteps of the 2 presidents u named. I congratulate u for being smart but learn to educate others politely and dont call them names and describe them as running blunt without strategy. I look foward to work with you in our new generation government which will uplift intelligence operations. Mind you, your bachelors of arts that you have must be put to good use. So who is your boss now that chungu is on the run?
#7 SHUSHUSHU
#15,8 Jose and Kuku
What is this that you are have now started?. Cutting and pasting articles on this blog is not adding value.
What you are doing is known as plagiarising please stop it.
#25 Citizen, tell them. I am tired now of refering to the same thing every now and then.
HAVE ENOUGH SEX – RONNIE
HOME affairs minister Lieutenant General Ronnie Shikapwasha yesterday advised people to have enough sex in their marriages to avoid temptations.And Lt Gen Shikapwasha said the government of President Levy Mwanawasa would not accept abominations such as marriage between relatives.Officiating at the graduation ceremony of pastors at Bible Gospel Church in Africa (BIGOCA) yesterday, Lt Gen Shikapwasha advised married people to have enough sex in their homes in order to avoid looking for it elsewhere.†If you are married, have enough sex in your home,†Lt Gen Shikapwasha said. “Don’t be a pastor who is too busy that you do not make love to your wife.â€
He also encouraged the pastors not to speak words that would trigger sexual feelings in other people in the name of chimbuya (cousinship). “Don’t speak words that will trigger sexual feelings in another person,†Lt Gen Shikapwasha advised. “Stay away from casual contact with the opposite sex.â€He reiterated the need for male pastors to counsel men who had problems and female pastors to counsel their female counterparts as a way of preventing adultery.†If you are going to minister to a woman, let your wife be there, some say you can counsel a woman with the door open but you may not know when the devil will close the door,†Lt Gen Shikapwasha said.He advised the pastors not to give gifts to females in order to prevent misunderstandings.†Don’t give gifts to females, they will misunderstand you and when you give a gift to a man they will feel mellow,†Lt Gen Shikapwasha said.Lt Gen Shikapwasha, who led the congregation in worship songs such as Mwe lesa mwebaba and Tubalemye ba Yahweh, said he was a sinner who was thankful to God for what he had done in his life. On the recent incident where Lusaka man, Kalikonga Singogo, wanted to marry his niece Ngambo Kamawe, Lt Gen Shikapwasha described the situation as the worst form of perversion that could happen in any nation.“A nation which calls itself a Christian nation must rise to condemn this. Sodom and Gommorah was destroyed because of iniquities,†he said. He called on pastors to counsel the young man.†The devil has launched an onslaught on God’s people, people must help the least man to understand the way of God,†Lt Gen Shikapwasha noted. “How can we call ourselves a Christian nation when we allow people to sleep with their nieces? The government of President Levy Mwanawasa will not accept such abominations in this country.â€Lt Gen Shikapwasha told the pastors to tithe to God and not love money too much.“Many men of God are wrecks because of the love of money. Tithe is the foundation of all your blessings,†he said. On the constitution-making process, Lt Gen Shikapwasha said those who wanted the constitution to be adopted through a constituent assembly just wanted to make money through allowances.“Those who are saying the Constitution must come through a constituent assembly just want money because it was suggested that those sitting would be given K500,000 per day,†he said. Lt Gen Shikapwasha encouraged people to debate the constitution-making process with a purpose.“Let nobody mislead you over the Constitution, President Levy Mwanawasa on his own volition said we needed a good constitution that will stand the test of time,†said Lt Gen Shikapwasha. And BIGOCA Bishop Peter Ndhlovu said his church would not take sides on any political events or disputes because they believed that God had given the church a mandate to bring reconciliation rather than to be partisan.
ZAMBIANS ARE MORE IMPORTANT – SAKWIBA
A POLITICIAN’S political career is not more important than the well-being and prosperity of the Zambian people, United Liberal Party president Sakwiba Sikota has said. Commenting on Patriotic Front president Michael Sata’s statement that President Mwanawasa had ruined his (Sikota’s) political career by reconciling with him, Sikota said politics of conflict, stone-throwing and name-calling was long gone.“I think we are actually concentrating on something that is not important. My career is not important, the career of any politician is not important, what is important is the well-being and prosperity of the Zambian people,†he said.He said what was important was what a child would eat, medication for a sick child who did not have money, and the child who had to wake up early in the morning to draw water and look for firewood.He said these were the careers politicians should be concentrating on.“Focus on the careers of the future generation. We should not look at our own careers, we should look at the careers of the future generation,†he said. Sikota said what was important was constant dialogue, being persuasive and not intimidating and trying to reach a consensus.Last week Sata said President Levy Mwanawasa had ruined United Liberal Party (ULP) president Sakwiba Sikota’s political career. Sata said President Mwanawasa had a tendency of using and dumping people and the reconciliation between him and Sikota was not genuine.
“He is ruining the young man’s political career. We don’t know what opposition leg he will stand on,” Sata said.
#27 cousellor
Here you go with cut and paste.
Most of the bloggers have access to newspapers or websites where these articles can be accessed, we don’t need you to be cutting and pasting here.
We expect you to contribute to the issues relating to the headline topic. We know you are intelligent enough to have an opinion of the issue at hand.If not please wait to contribute when an issue you are conversant with apprear.
Mulongoti has always come out with undefendable ideas regarding the constitution making process. Ladies and gentmen, there is fear amounting to panic among the MMD parliamentarians that if the constitution is going to be pipos’driven, their powers will be reduced and pipo in higher political offices will be brought to books after 2011 for their misdeeds.it is for these reasons that they want a constitution that as to be driven by them with the view that they can’t face criminal charges after 2011.However, if these ministers are not doing anything wrong why can’t they do the honourable thing by supporting the constitution that is going to be pipos’driven? Wasting money on something that is not supported by the pipo will be criminal act that those pipo like mulongoti, Levy, Kunda and alike will face in future.There is no man on earth who cheat before six oclock and not knowing that others are aware of his cheats.Pipo are really tired and feedup with lies by the govt.Chachacha was fought
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for independence (self rule) and the constitution will be fought for a better society where men and women will be regarded as partners in governance. Where pipo’s aspirations and choices will be met in good faith.No fraudarant elections as we are seeing being turned null and avoid. Pipo found in this act must be brought to criminal justice because they are waiting nation’s financial resources that can be put in proper use for every citizen eg education, health and agriculture.Imagine K3-4 billion each by election what a waste of money! If the mp dies it is ok not through cheating during campaign those mps should be reliable for costs.
Mbozi,
Until you sober up and start speaking from a point of reality, you are dreaming and off tangent.There is no basis of criminal charges there nor space of a different Government coming up after Levy in 2011. Its just a process of a new Generation of the MMD strategists doing their thing in the background and consolidating their positions for leadership that will democratically continue transitioning rulership from Generation of MMD to another of their more economic pragmatists.The writing is on the wall.You are better off thinking other ways that will lock your side into some public relevancy in the whole Democratic equation.So far, your hopes for criminality are too vague and imaginary without legal basis or moral platitude.
#32 Pragmatist, “MMD strategists……will democratically continue transitioning rulership from generation of MMD to..” Ye loads more of bullshit!! What another one party democracy??? What planet are you on??
Mbozi! You are very right and your message is very clear.
Pragmatist! I can’t get what you are talking about. Are you saying there is no need for new constitution and that we just have to continue with MMD beyond 2011? What is your point?
Ba bauze (33),
I am right here on Earth, Geo-specifically Zambia armed with my uncompromising sincerity and a prepared mind for such empirical developments. Call it BS, but facts are there for the time of realism at hand. It is more honorable to peddle the truth than building castles out of hot air. Come 2011, there is neither space nor platform for your much visioned criminal charges. Your Change of regime rhetoric is even a worse off form of fallacy rhetoric not befitting a sober and truly learned person considering many non crystallizing factors at play in our Democracy. There is neither a broad based will nor critical mass with an authentic national divide synonymous with the 1980s momentum of change. What we have on the scene are factionists freely squirming for survival through the media. And that is democracy in play. Thus, your baseless dreams too like many politicians on the scene are in line with our national system of democracy firmly fostering the free speech edicts of a progressive age.
#35 Pragmatist, Every time I see a comment from you, I run for my dictionery, even before venturing into reading it.
#35 Pragmtist
You can say the some thing in much simpler English.
Too much usage of bombastic words in single sentences, simply make your paragraphs passive.
It reminds me of our days in form one when we thought by mentioning big english words we sounded more educated. We used terms like Chronometer for wrist watch,feeling sick we would say we are below the weather, feeling hungry we would use the term emaciated. Teeth we would use the word mandibles.
Make it simple
Ba GLUCO (34),
It’s a national consensus issue long reached that there should be a change of the Constitution. From the nonentity to the present Government, a decision for a new constitution has been unreservedly reached unless you show me a Zambia objecting to it. Of course not me either. The issue at hand is that I don’t buy into the baseless Mbozi (33) assertion that opposition to the 100,000 persons submission to the Mung’omba CRC recommending a CA or CC is criminal come 2011.That is a baseless emotion driven on fallacy without legal precedence or moral platitude the progressive and sober Zambians could ever buy. Zambians are very sober on national matters. There is no illegality in opting for either of the alternative road maps. Democracy creates sufficient space diversity and leadership position. You cannot hold leadership at Gun point by saying out of the alternatives, “if you don’t go by the recommendations of the 100,000 Zambians out of the national population of 12,000,000 plus Zambians, you be subject to criminal charges come 2011â€.That is malignantly emotional and worst order anarchy indoctrination typical of doomsday punditry time always writes off. If MMD plays its political pones smart in a democracy, who am I to truncate their reign??? I neither eulogize nor by into the regrettable euthanasia of baseless hope for unjustified regime change predominant among those driven by baseless mob psychology.
#30 Mbozi has points that can not be discarded by any normal person and they are well backed with facts.
Zambia has so far undertaken four Constitution Reviews beginning with the Mainza
Chona Commission of 1972, the Mvunga Commission of 1990, the Mwanakatwe Commission of 1993 and the Mungomba Constitution Review of 2003. In all these efforts, the question of constitutional legitimacy has been a critical issue of which in some other terms according to RUFQUA, the pipo in power are now using the rule of fixing “to fix or to be fixed†(cold play band has a marvellous song called I’ll fix you)
In Zimbabwe, Mugabe’s government has amended the constitution adopted at independence 17 times and all those times they only suit Mugabe.
The late Kapwepwe said to the pipo of Zambia and I quote “Africa Twasebanaâ€(shame upon Africans) when KK introduced one party system in Zambia. In 1981, the senior citizen Alias Chipimo was detained by KK when he said and I quote “until they receive a bullet in the head that’s when they will cease to be African leadersâ€
Dr Bauze#33 Dr Bauze, I agree with you this chap Pragmatist is yapping bullshit and supports all the shit hysterics MMD lunatics have imposed on innocent Zedians. He must be ashamed of being part of the rotten system. Youngman behave like a Zedian
(#21 Dr Bauze, kayata and I are two different pipo)
Ewe Joze (9),
First be aware it’s an issue of public knowledge that your so called “RUFQUA†is a Satanists covenant manuscript no normal person with independence of mind would ever take pride in citing anything from it. Secondly, your Elias Chipimo senior now in Mpolokoso is and has been a mentally challenged tribalist throughout history.He is a failing model of hatred against tribe. He was my fellow Teacher at Chizongwe in Chipata together with the late Col. Patrick Kafumukache in our early independence days. I left him there for my Global career before his insanity found him in jail though very different to his decent son Elias Jr. So, your pride in his bullet shot madness has no place in civilization. Just take it in peace if you so want it to end your life. Personally I have no heart for violence talk. I am a progressive citizen aware that those who pride in violence of bullets, they will be taken by the same bullets in a matter of time. Thirdly, Mbozi’s rhetoric has no legal or moral platform to be valid under any political dispensation of the civilized.
#21 Bauze, what evidence makes you think Ba Joze is Kayata.You are a fantasist.
I said ref #13 & 14 should read the submission made by #15.
Do you know what it means to refer?
#42kayata, #21 wasn’t directed to you, what is & would have made sense is posting#18; Nevertheless, if you did recognise that communication is a sequential process which is perpetuated by responses & counter-responses, you will follow that my response wasn’t misplaced. Fantasize?? Do you even know what it means? Why would I want to fantasize about you?!?! or you being Joze?? One doesn’t need evidence to come to a conclusion, one can always SURMISE!! If you read the preceding posts, you will figure out why #21 came to being!
Pragmatist, you don’t seem very pragmatic at trying to live under your pseudonym – you indeed open the gates wide for anyone to just ask Elias snr who this pragmatist might be afterall. Why did you even bother with the pseudonym in the 1st place? Don’ worry, you are not the 1st to try to lay some credence to your story by naming others! Try not to live under the shadow of others – just lay your own blazing trail!!!
#40 BaJoze, thanx for clarifying, just as i thought, you had probably referred to the wrong posting – can you imagine, am being asked, as to whether I understand what refer means? I think I will refer him to consult…”RUFQUA” – in its chapter on “literal & essay writing”, in order for him to be able to surmise my comprehension of the question in point.
Pragmatist, it is easy to deny the facts and accept lies. Wasting financial resources on something that the pipo who are suppose to be custodians of constitution do not accept is tantamount to criminal act.Power is sweet but also come with price when those who put you in that position feel being cheated. 2011 is not too far and if we can have a constitution that is going to be a pipos’ driven, then expect something different from 2001 and 2006 elections. The pipo surrounding Levy are telling him lies and it will be the same pipo who will run away from Levy after 2011 because they will be no longer answersable to him.The reasons we are seeing the govt refusing to accept CA is simple cos the constitution will be you, men and women who want their choices & aspirations met. The impact here is going to be felt by the pipo we elect to represent us who in turn do not in many cases live up to our expectations. They fail us and we do not have the powers to pass a vote of no confidence.
Contd. We see them during elections and sometimes are being imposed on us by political parties even when they do not know our ways of life. 40 years same schools and hospitals.when are we going to have a modern hospital? Copper is doing well on the world market. who are the beneficialies of the profits ? Politicians driving expensive cars when hospitals have no ambulances or medication for the poor of the poorest who actually vote for them. Where is is the fairness and justy in our society?If levy is a man of law then why can’t he abid by what he preaches? Democracy to be Democracy we need a constitution that every man and woman will say I contributed to it and not to say I was denied the my chance to contribute. Believe me in 2011, there will be alot of post constitution review and those who will be found in the criminal act by hijacking the process will see red.We can only live side by side when every man and woman will be regarded as partners in governance
#46 very true! Though we do actually have the powers to pass a vote of no confidence – The Elections, problem is there is too much poverty in our midst, that the callous politicians flaunt beer & food in the run up to elections – & of course the hungry, mostly uneducated vote gets hijacked in the process. Is it any wonder Education is such a nebulous priority with the politicians – hence the constant joke of, ” ukuya ku shibukeni”(Night classes). It pays off for the majority to remain uneducated – politicalwise, no wonder we ended up with FTJ!!
Contd. We see them during elections and sometimes are being imposed on us by political parties even when they do not know our ways of life. 40 years same schools and hospitals.when are we going to have a modern hospital? Copper is doing well on the world market. who are the beneficialies of the profits ? Politicians driving expensive cars when hospitals have no ambulances or medication for the poor of the poorest who actually vote for them. Where is the fairness and justy in our society?If levy is a man of law then why can’t he abid by what he preaches? Democracy to be Democracy we need a constitution that every man and woman will say I contributed to it and not to say I was denied the chance to contribute. Believe me in 2011, there will be alot of post constitution review and those who will be found in the criminal act by hijacking the process will see red.We can only live side by side when every man and woman will be regarded as partners in governance
Mbozi / Chitoba (46),
“Wasting financial resources on something that the pipo who are suppose to be custodians of constitution do not accept is tantamount to criminal act.†End Excerpt
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The problem is that you are driven by self pity rather than rationality. That will consequentially fail you in the real world of dynamism under any dispensation unless you reflect. Here so far you have lamentably failed to rebuttal with scientific and legal facts synonymous with learned people. I am stunned that comparatively, you have denigrated yourself from a person who could struggle to bring your mind home with some recognizable elements of prudence every time I visited ZOL then in the peak months towards Decision 2006.That said, I will always respect your role as a PF cadre but not to see you loose your sagacious mind to the Sata euthanasia. Sata is on his way to Calvary but you may need to thrive on analytical skill and pragmatism. Take it; there is no basis of criminality in the decision to pick one of the two recommended constitutional road maps. FYI, the CA vote is not representative of eligible voters’ choice. In Democracy, what has a broad scientific representation is the referendum. I challenge you to review the aggregate submission to the CRC and post the percentiles and graphical data in reflection to the total statistical enumeration data of eligible voters. I have looked at the submission and the CA recommendations were 112,000 out of the total of
Mbozi / Chitoba (46),
“Wasting financial resources on something that the pipo who are suppose to be custodians of constitution do not accept is tantamount to criminal act.†End Excerpt
The problem is that you are driven by self pity rather than rationality. That will consequentially fail you in the real world of dynamism under any dispensation unless you reflect. Here so far you have lamentably failed to rebuttal with scientific and legal facts synonymous with learned people. I am stunned that comparatively, you have denigrated yourself from a person who could struggle to bring your mind home with some recognizable elements of prudence every time I visited ZOL then in the peak months towards Decision 2006.That said, I will always respect your role as a PF cadre but not to see you loose your sagacious mind to the Sata euthanasia. Sata is on his way to Calvary but you may need to thrive on analytical skill and pragmatism. Take it; there is no basis of criminality in the decision to pick one of the two recommended constitutional road maps. FYI, the CA vote is not representative of eligible voters’ choice. In Democracy, what has a broad scientific representation is the referendum. I challenge you to review the aggregate submission to the CRC and post the percentiles and graphical data in reflection to the total statistical enumeration data of eligible voters. I have looked at the submission and the CA recommendations were 112,000 out of the total of
Cont.(51)…the CA recommendations were 112,000 out of the total of
the CA recommendations were 112,000 out of the total of 250,000 and less submissions. Don’t buy spent force politicians’ rhetoric from your antagonistic political careerists selfishly using you in their hopeless hour of summary defeat.
Pragmatist it is your own self pity that you can’t see and understand the difference between CA and CC. Why is levy not happy with the CA? It is the act of fear amounting to panic that,H so what may 2011 he may as well face criminal charges as his predecessor Chiluba if the constitution is going to be pipos’ driven. If the constitution will be through the CC then we expect a roughly baked piece of constitution that will serve politicians and not men and women who are longing for a constitution that will stand the test of time.Your arguements are that of what others used to say on Chiluba that he can’t face criminal charges. We zeds have set the presidence of removing immunity so this can happen to anyone defying the will of peace loving Zambians will be brought to books. Pragmatist the constitution making process is not partisan and it is for this reason I can’t see your arguement matching with most of the contributors.It is self pity and failure on your side to think I’m PF
#3kayata
you should have finished the all chart.
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Ewe Joze,
I acknowledge seeing your insult laden post though it has taken a day for me to remark. Cardinal to say, I am sorry am a pragmatist I don’t share your challenged life of insults. I value diversity and use brain power to bring home my views. Don’t expect me to sink low to your level of insolence. You remind me of the Sugos stuck with their absurd thinking impossible to fit in any public responsibilities but in hopeless demonstrations and stone throwing. I wonder what kind of public platform you would ever be condoned to share. It takes years of smart broad based yet clean, dignified Global connections and preparation to put in place sustainable political and financial infrastructures tailored to mount momentum, create the desired divide and win presidential elections. Insults and cowardly acts you resort to when challenged have no mileage on winners’ scorecards. Its either you change or stay stuck with your tea making vocation. With much sadness I sympathize with your indoctrination into your satanic verses- RUFQUA. Hope you act redemptive and transition yourself into a prudent blogger worth learning some thing from. Your satanic covenant based on that RUFQUA aside, there could be some reasonable things to learn from you if and only if you redeemed soul. So far your fit is Willie Nsanda and Sata. Hope next time I visit this blog, I will find smart and mind stimulating contributions from your end. Peace.
#56 Pragmatist;
You hypocrite, you showered me with insults and yet you still regard those as not insults, you insulted Snr Chipimo from head to toes and still regard those as not insults? Do you really know what an insult is? My vocabulary has not niche of insults nor at any time insulted Pragmatist. All I said was the truth that you are really an *****. That’s not an insult but a fact.
Your loose tongue has jigged the limits by referring the book of RUFQUA as satanic verves. Do you know that the author of “Satanic Verves†Samuel Rashid life is still at stake and living in hiding for 17 years up to date? Try to be a conscious man when talking about sensitive issues and never let pride swallow you. Mwaice Pragmatist, you must stop chancing TIME.
RUFQUA has good quotes on time,
Time:-
Too slow for those who wait,
Too swift for those who fear,
Too long for those who grieve,
Too short for those who rejoice,
But for those who love time is Eternity.
PLEASE DON’T SPOIL MY DAY TOMORROW AS I CELEBRATE MY 28TH BIRTHDAY.